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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-06-15

---Logopened Thu Jun 15 00:00:34 2017
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00:05<lindi->medivih: some third-party driver that is not part of debian?
00:05<ach>is it 32 bit or 64 bit?
00:06<medivih>yes, is jessie contrib non-free
00:06<medivih>64bit
00:06<ach>out
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00:17<medivih>any help please?
00:19<medivih>do you think my kernel is not compatible?
00:21<jmarinaro[m]>I hope this link will lead you in the right direction. Your wireless card probably requires non-free firmware.https://duckduckgo.com/?q=MediaTek+Ralink+RT5370+on+linux&t=ffab&ia=qa
00:23<annadane>medivih: can you post the output of "dmesg | grep firmware" to paste.debian.net?
00:23<annadane>err
00:23<annadane>that's... not the right answer
00:23<annadane>never mind
00:23<annadane>just ignore that entirely
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01:15<mdx0>http://paste.debian.net/971531
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06:36<rsmith>Did docker.io disappear from Stretch?
06:37<bremner>tracker.debian.org can answer that
06:38<bremner>seems to have a bunch of RC bugs.
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06:42<rsmith>I guess they'll sort it out by the weekend
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06:44<grove>Not likely, and if a package isn't in stretch now, it's extremely unlikely that it will be allowed in
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06:47<bremner>it was removed from stretch in October of 2016
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06:50<rsmith>Wow. It still shows up in apt searches
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06:51<rsmith>package debocker recommends docker.io, for example
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06:55<bremner>I guess packages are supposed to provide some functionality without their recommends/
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07:05<bremner>docker.io is not built on most release architectures. I suspect it's only present on amd64 because the maintainer uploaded binary packages. https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=docker%2eio
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07:57<itd>You can backport it from sid, but it takes some time (and at least for me some steps were ugly).
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08:12<hubot>Hi!
08:12<hubot>I've problem with Firefox browser
08:13<hubot>Firefox sometimes crashes my OS
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08:13<hubot>Chromium doesn't do it
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08:17<petn-randall>hubot: How does it crash your OS?
08:20<lordievader>Does it eat all the memory?
08:21<petn-randall>hubot: As in, what are the symptoms when the "crash" happens?
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08:23<hubot>I can't move mouse and enter text from keyboard
08:24<hubot>DE is froozen
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08:24<hubot>I can't enter in tty mode using ctrl+alt+f1-f8
08:24<lordievader>hubot: Sounds like it is swapping.
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08:24<hubot>I've 12 GB swap memory
08:25<lordievader>I'd open a top somewhere and try to reproduce the problem. See if, at that time, the memory is full.
08:25<lordievader>The operation of flushing pages to swap is slow, especially on traditional disks.
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08:26<grove>What do you mean by "swap memory"? Do you have 12 GB of swap space - That won't affect the amoount of swapping going on.
08:27<grove>If you happen to have another computer on the same network and have sshd running, try to see if you can log in that way
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08:29<petn-randall>hubot: I'd say the issue is unrelated to firefox then, maybe firefox triggers the actual issue slightly more often.
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08:30<petn-randall>hubot: Have you checked the logs after a reboot? Especially any log lines just before the crash are relevant.
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08:32<hubot>I tried switch to tty mode when page crashes and then I can't leave tty mode
08:32<hubot>Entire OS is crashing
08:33<petn-randall>hubot: Can you log in on the tty?
08:33<hubot>No
08:33<hubot>I logged to tty earlier
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08:34<hubot>before firefox crashed OS
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08:38<petn-randall>hubot: I see. Did you find anything in the logs?
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08:53<hubot>Flash Player plugin was cause crashing OS
08:53<hubot>I solved problem by disabling Adobe Flash Player
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09:00<hubot>I've second problem: I solved problem by disabling Adobe Flash Player
09:00<hubot>Sorry
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09:00<petn-randall>hubot: What is the context?
09:00<petn-randall>!ask
09:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:01<hubot>https://paste.debian.net/971575/
09:01<hubot>I can't add ppa ubuntu repositories
09:03<petn-randall>!dont break debian
09:03<dpkg>dont break debian is, like, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
09:03<petn-randall>or better
09:03<petn-randall>!frankendebian
09:03<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
09:03<petn-randall>hubot: You shouldn't, see above.
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09:06<lordievader>hubot: Why do you need to add Ubuntu ppa's?
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09:07<hubot>Because there aren't compatible with Debian packaging system
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09:08<hubot>Because there aren't compatible with Debian
09:08<itd>hubot: What do you want to install?
09:08<petn-randall>hubot: simplescreenrecorder is already in Debian stretch, and you're using Debian stretch, right?
09:08<hubot>Yes
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09:09<petn-randall>hubot: Then there is no need to add the ppa. I'd remove it.
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10:40<medivih>Hello, I'm using debian Jessie
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10:41<medivih>I can't use my usb wireless, it's a RT5370 or a MT7610U
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10:42<musca>!RT5370
10:42<dpkg>Support for Ralink RT53xx USB 802.11n devices (e.g. RT5370: USB IDs 13d3:3329, 13d3:3365, 148f:5370, 148f:5372) was added to the rt2800usb driver at Linux 3.0 (CONFIG_RT2800USB_RT53XX). Ask me about <rt2800usb>.
10:42<medivih>I cant compile drivers, got Makefile:393 recipe for target 'LINUX' failed
10:43<musca>medivih: did you try to install firmware-ralink from the non-free section?
10:43<medivih>yeah, you say that, but doesnt work with rt2800
10:43<medivih>sure, already did
10:44<medivih>but doesnt work
10:44<musca>hmm, which kernel do you use?
10:44<medivih>last Jessie version
10:45<medivih>3.16.0.4AMD
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10:46<medivih>lsusb says it's 148f:5370
10:46<medivih>,
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10:48<musca>when https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb doesn't help, perhaps the device is blocked. try rfkill --list
10:48<medivih>let see
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10:49<medivih>usage?
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10:49<musca>sorry, rfkill list
10:49<musca>no hyphens
10:50<medivih>ok done
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10:51<musca>medivih: you can paste the output on https://paste.debian.net
10:51<medivih>ok, when got work should just work? or need another extra step? just modprobe rt2800usb?
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10:52<medivih>musca, theres no output
10:53<musca>yes, modprobe is enough, maybe first modprobe -r rt2800usb to unload the module
10:53<medivih>with 'ip a' theres no wlan0, and with iwconfig theres no wireless extension
10:53<medivih>ok let see
10:55<medivih>no, theres no wlan0 yet
10:55<musca>hmm, that's weird
10:56<medivih>I know :( I don't know what to do
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10:59<medivih>I tried to compile many drivers
11:00<medivih>and that rt2800usb modprobe
11:00<medivih>should I use an older kernel?
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11:05<musca>medivih: usually a more recent kernel is a way to solve driver issues.
11:05<musca>!bdo kernel
11:05<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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11:05<ach>fo
11:05<ach>?
11:06<medivih>after modprobe RT2800usb should just work? apear the wlan0?
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11:07<ach>ll
11:07<ach>lol
11:08<musca>medivih: yes, upon succesful loading of a module, it will create the interface name
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11:09<medivih>puch
11:09<medivih>ouch
11:09<ach>gay
11:09<musca>medivih: you can check the events with dmesg | tail -n 20
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11:09<medivih>sure
11:10<ach>ö
11:12<piper>ach: you have a debian question ?
11:13<ach>later?
11:13<ach>of course it's so very well thought? idiot
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11:16<medivih2>musca
11:16<medivih2>https://pastebin.com/UMnN2PAx
11:16<medivih>that's the past
11:16<medivih>paste*
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11:19<piper>https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb
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11:26<medivih>hey musca, still with me?
11:26<musca>yes
11:26<medivih>ok
11:28<medivih>piper, already did that rt2800usb, but my device dont work, theres no wlan0 Available. and also my modinfo got wierd
11:29<piper>this is old, maybe worth looking at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=103474
11:30<medivih2>https://pastebin.com/Mp6aK8vY
11:30<piper>medivih: also what musca said above about newer kernel
11:31<medivih>don't get it, If a have the newer kernel was suposed to work isnt?
11:31<musca>medivih: ^ also look for newer firmware from backports
11:32<medivih>ow man, that's so painful
11:32<medivih>I'm since yestarday tryng to get work
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11:33<musca>,info firmware-misc-nonfree --release jessie-backports
11:33<judd>Package firmware-misc-nonfree (non-free/kernel, optional) in jessie-backports/amd64: Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel. Version: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; Size: 2180.9k; Installed: 7629k; Homepage: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git
11:33<bagih>hello
11:33<piper>https://askubuntu.com/questions/641724/how-to-install-rt2870-rt3070-wireless-driver
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11:33<medivih>let see thanks
11:34<bagih>ada dari indonesia?
11:35<itd>dpkg: id
11:35<dpkg>Silahkan kunjungi channel #debian-id di irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) untuk bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia. For help in Indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org)
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11:35<medivih>so many solutions I'm confused
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11:39<medivih>hey, why Debian don't just load automaticaly an USB wireless like that? I plug in windows 10, and just work in less then 1 second.
11:39<medivih>Huge turn off for me
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11:41<piper>http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm FWUL “Forget Windows Use Linux” :P
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11:41<medivih>you dont have to do a modprobe for an eth0, why I should do this Epic thing? I'm about 20 hours searching to solve this issue
11:41<piper>medivih: sorry your having problems :(
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11:42<agaida>medivih: say "thank you, dear manufacturer"
11:42<medivih>you're right
11:42<piper>medivih: have you tried a newer kernel ?
11:42<agaida>aka no free sources, do binaries in main - so you have to search
11:43<agaida>s/do/no
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11:44<medivih>I tried first the rt2800usb, add "deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie main contrib non-free" apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-ralink
11:45<medivih>so, next I tried to compile rt5370 driver, and got "Makefile:288 receipe target 'LINUX' is make: *** [LINUX] Error 2
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11:47<medivih>but if Debian suports my device why doest work? This about kernel?
11:47<agaida>after installing the firmware one should restart - or load the firmware otherwise i guess
11:48<agaida>after that the device should talk to linux
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11:48<agaida>but thats only a wild gues
11:48<agaida>s
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11:50<petn-randall>medivih: Reading back on the logs, you said it's either a RT5370 or a MT7610U. The former is supported, the latter is not.
11:50<medivih>I've restart many timnes
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11:52<blast007>lsusb said 148f:5370, which I'm seeing is RT5370
11:52<piper>thats how i took it also
11:52<blast007>medivih: does the output of 'dmesg' mention anything about firmware or about your wifi?
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11:53<medivih>let see
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11:57<medivih2>https://pastebin.com/mGwTX62x
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11:57<medivih>here is the paste
11:58<medivih>looks like [31706.996689] usb 1-2: New USB device found, idVendor=148f, idProduct=7601
11:58<agaida>did you load the kernel module?
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11:59<medivih>ow man, now says tis an 7601, but before was an rt5370 so confuse =o
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12:00<medivih>agaida with modprobe?
12:00<agaida>yes
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12:00<medivih>i did modprobe rt2800usb and restart
12:00<agaida>ermmm
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12:01<medivih>there is a version of kernel/debian that I can compile the manufacture driver with no issues?
12:01<agaida>so the module isn't there after restaret - try to add it to /etc/modules or put a file into /etc/modules.d
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12:10<medivih>agaida
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12:10<medivih>i don't know how to do this any reference?
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12:10<medivih>just write modprobe in modules file?
12:11<agaida>nope, but the module name without .ko
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12:13<Guest2464>pls help, a .deb installation failed in jessie. and now i cannot update my apps anymore. in konsole it says "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." i had this before and broke much.
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12:14<nummy>best way to install stretch with newer kernel (4.11) for amd ryzen support?
12:14<agaida>then do what apt says
12:14<helpmepls>im quite sure i did that before and think it broke something *confused*
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12:15<agaida>just do it - and after pls apt -f install - only to be sure
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12:15<medivih2>agaida, done
12:15<medivih2>still doesnt work
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12:16<medivih2>do you think ubuntu will work?
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12:16<agaida>is the module listed if you run lsmod?
12:16<medivih2>i will try another distro
12:16<agaida>why should ubuntu work
12:16<agaida>have fun
12:16<annadane>medivih2, there's nothing ubuntu will be able to do particularly better than debian
12:16<annadane>your problems are solvable within debian
12:17<annadane>unless you just wanted something more instantly user friendly, which is your choice
12:17<medivih2>so help me friend, i'm almost 24h trying to get a wireless work
12:17<helpmepls>excuse, was that solution regarding me or medivh2?
12:18<medivih2>I'm upsite, sorry guys
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12:18<medivih2>I think my kernel is the problem
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12:19<medivih2>not compatible with manufactures driver
12:19<medivih2>and maybe the debian rt2800 is not support my device
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12:20<medivih2>it's a cheap usb wireless, is RT5370 or a Mt7610U whatever
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12:20<medivih2>so will try many distros and kernel versions
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12:20<medivih2>but it's a shame
12:20<Tarc>i have it and simply it doesn-t work
12:20<medivih2>thank you guys
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12:21<medivih2>Tarc thank you
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12:21<Tarc>i have 7610u
12:21<medivih2>Tarc: did you tried in another distro?
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12:21<medivih2>or kernel
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12:21<tda>sadly many of those cheap adapters do not work, you have to do your homework on those
12:22<Tarc>the driver is not mainlined it-s pointless tryning another distro
12:22<medivih2>well, in the solutions found about 2014, people say "SOLVED" on threads
12:22<blast007>medivih2: based on the USB ID from your dmesg output, it's a MT7601U device (possibly?)
12:22<medivih2>I have old machines, is just for media center, so i dont care if use an older version
12:23<Tarc>there are some stand alone driver around but nothing that works
12:23<itd>helpmepls: The solution containing 'apt -f install' was for you.
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12:23<blast007>and it looks like Debian Stretch may support that device (with the firmware as part of firmware-misc-nonfree)
12:23<medivih2>[31706.996689] usb 1-2: New USB device found, idVendor=148f, idProduct=7601
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12:24<medivih2>blast007^
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12:25<blast007>yes, that is different that the usb ID you gave earlier
12:25<medivih2>why that occurs? it was an rt5370 before
12:25<blast007>before you gave 148f:5370
12:25<piper>https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2300091
12:25<medivih2>yes, and the same device
12:25<blast007>dunno. is there multiple wifi attached?
12:25<medivih2>no
12:26<blast007>and nothing onboard?
12:26<medivih2>just have 1 usb
12:26<medivih2>no its virtualbox
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12:26<blast007>does the host system have multiple wifi then? maybe you attached the wrong device
12:26<medivih2>I have 6 PC to work, so I'm trying to get work on virtualbox
12:26<medivih2>no
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12:27<medivih2>I tried to complile 7601 driver
12:27<medivih2>from MediaTek
12:27<blast007>don't
12:27<medivih2>should i reinstall and try again?
12:28<annadane>protip: if you don't know what you're doing, don't try random solutions until one of them works
12:28<annadane>especially with linux/debian because the ecosystem is built around their own software in their own repositories
12:29<medivih2>beautiful
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12:30<medivih2>sad man
12:30<medivih2>I will take a break
12:30<medivih2>thank all of you!
12:31<helpmepls>done repairing thank u all :))
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12:31<medivih2>my thoughts on Debian is, from my experiece, Was aways a bad experience
12:31<medivih2>since 2002
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12:32<dsfd1231>hi
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12:32<bremner>!next
12:32<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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12:34<blast007>all he had to do was install stretch
12:35<blast007>(and the associated firmware package there)
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12:38<Tarc>with mt7610u nothing works as far as i know
12:39<bremner>blast007: someone who has been unhappy with a distro for 15 years should really move on.
12:40<blast007>https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-misc-nonfree "MediaTek MT7601U firmware, version 34 (mt7601u.bin)"
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12:40<Tarc>i'll give it a try
12:41<annadane>tarc: add contrib and non-free to your sources list
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12:41<Tarc>ok thanx
12:42<blast007>it's possible it also works with the jessie-backports version of the kernel and firmware-misc-nonfree, but the packages site doesn't show any info about the firmware package so I can't confirm
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12:43<Tarc>but with drivers usually is not distro problem, it's vendor tarballs that are a pain
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13:04<NCC-1701-D>hello people, i have a fairly simple question. i work for a small clinic that is in the process of migrating to debian jessie from MS Windows. we this form https://www.uscis.gov/i-693 every day, and the autofill function does not work in Document Viewer
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13:05<NCC-1701-D>Document Viewer will let me edit the name field, but it wont autofill to the header of the other 12 pages like it is supposed to
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13:06<NCC-1701-D>here is the pdf: https://www.uscis.gov/system/files_force/files/form/i-693.pdf
13:06<snapcrack>lol
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13:10<itd>NCC-1701-D: This 'Document Viewer', is that evince?
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13:12<hexa->I'm not sure evince offers that feature
13:12<_64k>hi, does anyone know on which time the debian release is expected?
13:12<hexa->_64k: 2017-06-17
13:12<_64k>ok nice thanks
13:12<hexa->I don't believe anybody can tell you a more specific time
13:12<_64k>i assume later that day?
13:13<_64k>ok
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13:13<_64k>i remember the last time, i watched twitter for all the updates, it was fun
13:13<zeta>is there even any opensource pdf reader that supports scripting?
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13:14<NCC-1701-D>itd: it is indeed. do you know of another pdf reader for GNU/Linux that might have better luck?
13:15<itd>zeta: http://www.myown1.com/linux/pdf_formfill.shtml maybe. ;)
13:15<mtn>NCC-1701-D: you can edit pdf files using libreoffice, if I recall
13:15<NCC-1701-D>tried opening it with LO, it didnt work
13:15<blast007>fwiw, it also doesn't auto-fill in Google Chrome
13:15<zeta>itd: this makes me feel uncomfortable
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13:17<snapcrack>i blame systemd
13:17<itd>NCC-1701-D: No, I'm afraid I do not. But you could try Okular.
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13:19<hexa->yep, okular sounds like a good bet
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13:22<NCC-1701-D>never got into kde
13:22<NCC-1701-D>i ended up switching from gnome to xfce
13:22<NCC-1701-D>cinnamon is nice as well
13:24<NCC-1701-D>alright, didnt work but gave me a hint:
13:24<NCC-1701-D>>This document has XFA forms, which are currently unsupported.
13:25<itd>NCC-1701-D: You could try Acrobat with wine (as suggested here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/282630 ), if nothing else works.
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13:26<NCC-1701-D>that's true i suppose. but i hope i can find a free software solution :^)
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13:27<NCC-1701-D>also thank you for the help, i know my question is boring
13:27<Nemoder>I don't think code for xfa was ever published, adobe is probably the only solution
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13:29<zeta>i just tried the old native linux build of adobe reader (deb from here: ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/9.x/9.5.5/enu/ ) it does the autocomplete thing but complains anyway and the formatting is slightly broken.
13:29<zeta>proprietary standards. how i love them.
13:29<Nemoder>yeah it's not part of the PDF ISO standard, just something adobe added
13:30<itd>NCC-1701-D: It might be different with newer versions of evince/okular/... (e.g. from stretch).
13:30<bremner>there is some java library in debian that can supposedly deal with xfa forms, if you don't mind some programming
13:30<annadane>stretch does release in 3 days, it's basically stable
13:31<annadane>2 days, actually
13:31<NCC-1701-D>zeta: how slightly? i can live with sloppy formatting if the form isnt mojibake
13:31<NCC-1701-D>oh wow awesome. debian 9
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13:35<blast007>doesn't seem to behave any better in evince (GNOME Document Viewer) in stretch
13:37<_64k>Thanks for your help girls and guys, im looking forward to saturday, have fun:)
13:37<zeta>NCC-1701-D: looks like it's misaligning some borders for some reason on my system. scrolling makes it go away and creates new misplaced boxes. i suggest you take a look yourself and see if the same happens to you
13:37<blast007>and Okular on stretch still has the "This document has XFA forms, which are currently unsupported."
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13:41<NCC-1701-D>shall do zeta, im actually on arch right now, but when i get off lunchbreak i'll try that. if it's too bad i'll use WINE
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13:41<NCC-1701-D>im so pleased that the practice mgmt software we use finally released a webapp for chrome
13:41<NCC-1701-D>opening the door to dump Microsoft
13:42<NCC-1701-D>no more crappy ActiveX
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13:43<zeta>NCC-1701-D: there are non-debian packages too, maybe there's something for arch. idk what arch uses
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13:44<blast007>NCC-1701-D: I also tried "Master PDF Editor" (another commercial PDF reader/creator with a linux version) and that also did not fill in the headers on the other pages
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13:46<NCC-1701-D>this problem and one other bug are the only roadblocks to total migration atm
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14:12<itd>NCC-1701-D: If it's just this PDF that causes you trouble: maybe you can (somehow) convert it (with Acrobat) into some PDF format 'compatible with older Acrobat readers' which does not contain XFA forms but behaves the same.
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14:52<koza>hi
14:52<koza>русские ксть?
14:52<koza>есть?
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15:05<Ruebezahl>Шта треба Коза?
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15:06<itd>dpkg: ru
15:06<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:07<blurr>dpkg: vi
15:07<dpkg>[vi] said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software, or <vim> is the better of the vi clones, or vi stands for i love journey's escape key, or very good training for <nethack> (jedd). For instructions on basic use, ask me about <vi basics>. See also <vi tutorial>.
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15:09<Ruebezahl> I am so sorry
15:09<annadane>dpkg encouraging editor wars, tsk tsk
15:09<dpkg>annadane: i haven't a clue
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15:10<itd>Ruebezahl: That's the spirit! ;)
15:12<Ruebezahl>Oh i see, but a little bit later ;)
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15:17<blurr>might of found a bug in dpkg
15:17<blurr>dpkg contents strings.h
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15:18<blurr>"<dpkg> failed."
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15:26<blurr>!ask
15:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:26<bremner>too slow ;)
15:26<annadane>options > nickflash > #debian "hi"
15:26<blurr>damn, oh well
15:27<blurr>!next
15:27<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
15:27<user__>hi, how do i fix this? The following packages have been kept back: firefox-esr
15:27<annadane>think i know the answer to that but i'll let more experienced folks answer
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15:31<itd>dpkg: bat
15:31<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
15:31<annadane>yeah, also that
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15:49<dtw>"aptitude why firefox-esr" could be useful too.
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15:58<nummy>Is there a way to build a custom debian installer (usb) that has a newer kernel (say 4.11) embedded into the install?
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16:00<itd>nummy: Maybe. I'd suggest you try #debian-next :)
16:00<dtw>I remember using some small net install image that asked if I want to add backport repositories and then a newer backported kernel.
16:00<nummy>thanks itd dtw
16:01<user__>ok
16:01<user__>The following packages have been kept back: firefox-esr
16:01<user__>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/bacf6078/
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16:04<nummy>user__: I'm getting that too on jessie
16:04<dtw>user__, I think this is iceweasel to firefox-esr transition. Try "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it will install new package from the security repository.
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16:19<itd>I guess it worked. :)
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16:31<annadane>!nexty
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16:31<annadane>i won't even correct it. i will live with my shame
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16:57<cyber>clear
16:59<ach>i have one question why iceweasel is no longer standard? Or firefox changed it license
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17:03<rudi_s>ach: The (tracemark) issues regarding the name and logo were resolved. Therefore Debian remove the renaming from the package.
17:04<rudi_s>*trademark
17:04<spilk>I apologize if this is a common question. I read an article discussing installing debian sid as a way of having a release that constantly updates as it changes. Can testing be installed in the same way? Will the current testing always remain “updated” as the testing branch evolves?
17:04<itd>ach: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranded_by_Debian#Iceweasel
17:05<itd>spilk: As long as you have questions like this: don't install testing/sid. ;)
17:06<spilk>I am not unfamiliar with linux by any means, I just find the debian release cycle to be confusing. I dont need “rock solid” stability that stable releases provide. I want to have updated software
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17:07<itd>spilk: It depends on how you configure your system. If your sources.list points to stable you will get the current stable release, if it points to jessie you will get updates for jessie.
17:07<spilk>so for the sake of argument. Entering "stretch"
17:07<spilk>sorry. enter too early
17:07<spilk>entering "
17:07<spilk>entering “stretch” into the sources will get me “stretch” releases, but “stable” will get me whatever the current stable release
17:08<spilk>right now jessie, on saturday stretch
17:08<spilk>so keeping “testing” will just get whatever the latest branch of testing is?
17:09<zeta>yes
17:09<itd>spilk: Yes. If you want to do that you should join #debian-next :)
17:09<spilk>how long after the release will the stretch release and testing deviate
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17:12<itd>spilk: I'd guess immediately, but I'm not sure. IIRC in the time after a release there is a lot of movement in testing. (Use #debian-next for questions regarding testing, please.)
17:13<spilk>thank you for your anwers
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17:14<ach>old you could have ever new set to rumors around so maybe more stability
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17:19<amacater>For the avoidance of doubt: Debian stable is unconditionally stable. The process of getting to a stable release starts a couple of years earlier - stuff trickles down from Unstable -> testing. Some of what's currently in Debian testing may have been there for a couple of years.
17:21<amacater>On Saturday, "testing" == Stretch will be released as "stable" Debian version 9. Today's stable - Debian 8 Jessie - will become oldstable. Oldstable - Debian 7 Jessie - will become oldoldstable
17:22<grove>you mean: Debian 7 *Wheezy*
17:23<amacater>Yes, sorry
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17:24<amacater>I think today's testing may be cloned and form the basis for Buster. Changes frozen from before the release can go in and changes will then trickle down from Unstable as always
17:24<amacater>Debian unstable isn't guaranteed as the basis for a release at any one time.
17:24<spilk>unstable = sid?
17:25<grove>(Yes
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17:25<amacater>Sid is the little boy who breaks toys in the Toy story films. People have also argued that it's a backronym - Sid == Still In Development. Sid never changes codename
17:27<amacater>So, in theory, Stretch and Buster could begin to deviate one minute after release of Stretch
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18:17<blurr>this is funny
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18:17<blurr>start an hitchhiker war
18:17<blurr>dpkg start an hitchhiker war
18:17<dpkg>Zaphod Rules!
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18:21<annadane>!chat
18:21<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
18:22<yulax>we should make dpkg send people to Opal's onion to chat
18:22<blurr>dpkg should include #debian-offtopic
18:22<dpkg>i haven't a clue, blurr
18:23<yulax>aye, good idea
18:23<yulax>ok
18:23<blurr>can someone join dpgk to #debian-offtopic ?
18:23<yulax>so for debian stretch release (and Tails 3.0) we are going to have a Debian install party
18:24<yulax>so... any um recommendations of what to do... it seems we are just going to end up having a crypto party
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18:25<blurr>I'll sign your key if you sign my key :P
18:25<yulax>er no
18:25<yulax>WoT needs... trust :P
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18:26<blurr>that's why it was a joke hence the face
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18:47<blurr>what does #del# mean?
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19:00<blurr>is there any security concerns of the command `xhost +`?
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19:02<blurr>dpkg eyeball
19:02*dpkg is a cow
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20:30<thoreau>Good night.
20:31<thoreau>I've just installed Popcorn Time and, by calling it through the terminal, I get the following response: "popcorn-time: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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20:32<thoreau>Indeed, searched for "libudev.so.0" using nautilus, and wasn't able to find it.
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20:33<sney>sounds like popcorn time is looking for a library that isn't in debian
20:33<sney>looks like they have a forum, there might be a solution there
20:34<thoreau>Cool, I'll look into it, but, before that,
20:34<thoreau>I was following these instructions for installing: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-popcorn-time-movie-player-on-debian-9-stretch-linux
20:34<thoreau>It's for Debian Stretch.
20:35<thoreau>So maybe this library is not included in Jessie, but maybe it is in Jessie-Backports?
20:36<sney>actually, libudev.so.1 is in jessie and stretch. you could try symlinking it to libudev.so.0 but this is unlikely to provide the interface to udev that popcorn time is looking for
20:37<sney>oh, I see what's going on here - the wiki page you're looking at is outdated. https://popcorn-time.to/linux64.html try with the much newer tarball from here instead
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20:38<thoreau>Thanks sney.
20:39<sney>(and otherwise follow the same instructions, untar it to that dir in /opt and so on)
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20:48<thoreau>Ah...
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20:54<thoreau>sney, I symlinked libudev.so.1 to libudev.so.0
20:55<thoreau>Now I'm getting a different error "popcorn-time: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot dynamically load executable"
20:55<sney>ya like I said it probably wouldn't work
20:55<thoreau>How do I break the symbolic link?
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20:56<sney>just delete the libudev.so.0 one
20:56<thoreau>And then I'll look for answers in their forums
20:56<thoreau>Oh, ok. Thansk.
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23:02<sleser>hi can some one help me with firefox issue side bar by itself turned white and its too bright for my eyes , it was dark what hapend ?
23:03<sleser>how do i set so its goes dark again
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