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00:10<annadane>cheers to everyone for a fantastic distro, here's to many more years
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00:20<dvs>!buster
00:20<dpkg>The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html
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01:03<DragomirPazura>Windows is offered on DVDs containing only bare system. Drivers have to be downloaded separately
01:04<DragomirPazura>oops, msg lag?
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01:20<mandeep>what's the name of the mouse package in stretch? the one that replaced xinput
01:22<somiaj>libinput
01:23<mandeep>ah yes
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01:23<mandeep>does libinput provide a cli like xinput ?
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01:41<user__>so adding the NaturalScrolling option to libinput.conf didnt change anything. any suggestions?
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01:47<mandeep>i've set NaturalScrolling to "False" but the touchpad still scrolls naturally
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01:50<mandeep>seems like the only recourse is to install xinput and edit the props from there
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01:57<Nemoder>Is multi-arch enabled by default in debian 9?
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02:00<dtw>Nemoder, try: dpkg --assert-multi-arch && echo Yes
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02:01<Nemoder>my systems had it enabled manually, just curious if a fresh install has it enabled
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02:02<Nemoder>or is that just a matter of having an updated dpkg?
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02:04<stderr>Happy Stretch-day everyone...
02:04<dtw>"dpkg --add-architecture" is needed anyway.
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02:06<Nemoder>ok thanks
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02:21<T_ya>Hello
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02:24<T_ya>Debian 9 release is late
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02:27<T_ya>Hope they will release it very soon
02:27<dtw>https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170617
02:28-!-Ganneff changed the topic of #debian to: Debian Stretch is there; /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Stable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.8 ; /msg dpkg install jessie ; /msg dpkg install stretch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | unstable: #debian-next | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
02:28<T_ya>Grab netinstall here: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
02:30<fLoo>just filled all my torrent seeders with the new iso
02:30<fLoo>pushing at limit now
02:30<T_ya>:D
02:31<T_ya>3 minutes for download.. why so sloooowww :D
02:31<fLoo>i downloaded it within 3 secs
02:31<fLoo>but that depends on bandwidth right?
02:31<fLoo>:)
02:32<T_ya>Jea, but without 50k it should Work Bit faster
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02:32<fLoo>working on 10g here ;)
02:32<T_ya>:0
02:32<T_ya>Nö i need some disks
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02:32<fLoo>working @ an ISP
02:32<fLoo>:<
02:32<cheapie>jigdo is great since I can use the nearest package mirror, and the nearest one of those is in my basement :)
02:33<T_ya>:D
02:33<umptg14>in kde live I can't login
02:33<umptg14>debian-live-9.0.0-amd64-kde.iso
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02:34<jmw>known problem, see https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Stretch
02:34<jmw>errata #4
02:34<T_ya>Why does burning da image Takes so Long :D
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02:35<sunderland93>When will appear stretch-backports?
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02:36<umptg14>jwest: thanks
02:36-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
02:36-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: Debian Stretch is here: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | unstable: #debian-next | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
02:36-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
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02:37<T_ya>There we go
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02:37<satbyy>congrats everyone!
02:38<T_ya>Thanks
02:38<cheapie>Wait, who, me? Why... I didn't do s***? :P
02:38<T_ya>Debian 8.8 get Out of my Disks. NOW!
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02:40<fLoo>uhm
02:40<fLoo>i got a question
02:40<fLoo>now i'm installing via debootstrap a new system
02:41<fLoo>how to know the predictable network interface name beforehand
02:41<fLoo>anyone has a clue for me ?
02:41<T_ya>eth0
02:41<fLoo>it used to be
02:41<T_ya>Should bei the Default one if only 1 eth exists
02:41<fLoo>so better set net.ifnames=0 ?
02:42<T_ya>If its neccessary
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02:42<fLoo>and when i got multiple nics?
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02:43<T_ya>Then they Count Up to ethN
02:44<T_ya>U Can See which one is used in network.interfaces or in ifconfig
02:44<T_ya>If i remember this right
02:44<fLoo>there is no such thing if you debootstrap your system
02:44<fLoo>udevadm info -e | grep -A 9 ^P.*eth0
02:44<fLoo>this returns eth0
02:44<fLoo>without the new naming scheme
02:45<fLoo>thats weired somehow, thought stretch switched to predictable network namings
02:45<fLoo>:<
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03:00<allanitomwesh>hello, i was told this is the right place to enquire whether there will be a LXQt CD image released?
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03:01<themill>I think I already answered that. No, and there is no need.
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03:02<allanitomwesh>that's unfortunate, it's a nice DE. Thanks
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03:02<cef>FWIW: https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable has no links other than for the multi-arch netinst. Easily found on cdimage or on mirrors, but the links under the CD and DVD sections aren't there.
03:04<the_other>also, it seems that there is no multiarch DVD available yet. Does anyone know the status of it?
03:05<Omochao>hey, I'm going to update a server to stretch and previously used jessie-backports. Should I simply remove it from the sources.list?
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03:06<cef>Omochao: just comment it out, or update it to stretch-backports (fetches nothing atm) if you want that sort of thing again in the future.
03:07<Omochao>cool, thanks
03:07<Omochao>I'm not going to use stretch-backports unless I really need it
03:07<Omochao>jessie-backports was required for certbot
03:07<fLoo>Omochao: certbot works ootb now
03:07<fLoo>:)
03:07<cef>Omochao: I'm already waiting on it, cos I want a later kernel and mesa and preferably don't want to pull in bits from unstable. ;)
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03:08<Omochao>fLoo: I assumed as much, since jessie-backports was essentially a subset of stretch, right?
03:08<jelly>Omochao: the instructions for release upgrade tell to remove it
03:09<jelly>or they used to...
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03:10<jmw>the_other: the multiarch DVD had to be dropped, see errata #2
03:11<the_other>jwm: thanks for the info
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03:12<Y_thc>Someone used the netinstall Jet?
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03:13<Y_thc>It asks me if i want to add other Disks to add packages. But this screen wasnt appearing in all 8.8 net installers
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03:26<suntzu_>hi !
03:26<suntzu_>the release ?
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03:27<jmw>is over
03:29<suntzu_>aah
03:29<suntzu_>great !
03:29<suntzu_>congratulations !
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03:31<annadane>it's safe to say i can purge iceweasel without incurring casualties?
03:31<suntzu_>:o
03:31<suntzu_>which casualies do you mean?
03:31<suntzu_>packages?
03:31<annadane>https://paste.debian.net/971948/
03:31<annadane>well, general casualties. like it messing up firefox
03:32<annadane>i heard it was a transitional package so it can be removed
03:32<suntzu_>oooh
03:32<suntzu_>well, it used to be the main package
03:32<fLoo>holy cow
03:32<fLoo>so many configs changed
03:32<suntzu_>surely this has evolved
03:32<fLoo>have to rewrite a shitload of stuff
03:32<fLoo>:<
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03:33<suntzu_>but it used to be the main package
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03:33<fLoo>the complete dropbear implementation got reworked - meh :)
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03:34<annadane>apper might be able to tell me
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03:34<annadane>though i don't know how much it can "see"
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03:36<themill>cef: fixed. Thanks for mentioning it!
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03:37<annadane>"this is a transitional package, it can be safely removed"
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03:37<annadane>well, i suppose i'll trust it, then
03:38<annadane>i just hope it doesn't screw with my settings (shouldn't...)
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03:47<H_htg_2>hey, can someone help me with the "new" mysql
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03:47<petn-randall>!ask
03:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:49<jmw>your settings got migrated on firefox first run
03:50<H_htg_2>!ask I have a problem with MySQL; I'm running Debian version 9.0.0. ; On the installation of mysql-server mysql-client it doesnt want any passwords for a root user. I want to use it with phpmyadmin but its not warking, dkw
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03:56<cef>themill: no probs. Actually came up on #debian on freenode
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04:00<debian4life>hello
04:00<debian4life>i need help
04:00<debian4life>i have debian 8.8
04:00<lordievader>debian4life: Just ask ;)
04:00<debian4life>but i have seen that debian 9 is released
04:01<debian4life>and if i switch to my root terminal and type: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade , i am NOT able to dist upgrade to debian 9
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04:01<dtw>debian4life, as always, you should read release notes: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes
04:02<lordievader>That is not the way to get to stretch, you need to update your apt sources to stretch and then run that command again.
04:02<debian4life>oh ok
04:02<debian4life>thank you lordievader
04:02<debian4life>i going to try
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04:03<jmw>dpkg: tell debian4life about jessie->stretch
04:04<lordievader>debian4life: But do as dtw says, read the release notes first.
04:04<debian4life>i am reading :)
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04:08<annadane>the point of apt-get update is to tell the system what sources to point to *after editing your sources list*
04:08<annadane>so if you didn't change it it won't do anything
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04:09<debian4life>alot text : https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes
04:09<debian4life>:)
04:09<debian4life>i mean alot text if i am awake for 35 hours :)
04:09<annadane>so if you want stretch, change your sources list from "jessie" to "stretch" (assuming you want stable)
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04:10<jmw>.oO(if you're struggling with this bit, you probably don't want anything but stable)
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04:12<debian4life>no i mean this: http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=09865
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04:14<debian4life>first time to sleep :)
04:14<debian4life>then upgrade to debian 9
04:14<debian4life>:)
04:14<debian4life>see you guys later.
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04:18<annadane>well i was *going* to explain that debian 9 is stretch...
04:18<annadane>oh well
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04:38<darthskywalker>I don't know where I'm suppose to report this but in graphical install (with gnome selected) I twice got a blank screen. I had to install non graphical and didn't select gnome the 3rd time and it worked. Here is a video of the 2nd failed install: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEry1by-bnA
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04:42<jmw>!reportbug
04:42<dpkg>reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA>
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04:50<fLoo>Linux fe-3297161.rbx.fr.cdn.uniquoo.net 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2 (2017-06-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux
04:50<fLoo>welcome first stretch in our cdn
04:50<fLoo>=)
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04:53<Knorrie>\o/
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05:12<annadane>question, should you still validate sums if you get debian via torrent?
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05:16<petn-randall>annadane: sure
05:16<petn-randall>annadane: You never know if you got the wrong torrent :)
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05:21<ElectricElement>I asked this in #debian-release, and I was directed here. So I'll start again.. "First off, I would like to thank each and every contributor to the Debian project. Thank you for your hard work, and congrats on a new stable release!"
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05:24<ElectricElement>As a Debian admin, I'm excited by the new stable release. I pay attention to the mailing lists, and versions, and the like.
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05:24<petn-randall>ElectricElement: Good to hear. There are many Debian admins in this channel. Yesterday was quite a busy day.
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05:26<ElectricElement>Currently, debian.org and wiki.debian.org both imply that Debian 8.8 is the latest stable release. This is not accurate as far as I know (Stretch has been released, right?)
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05:27<ElectricElement>https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170617 is a debian.org source. Stretch has been released. Latest news on the debian.org front page is that 8.8 is the latest stable release.
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05:27<abrotman>ElectricElement: correct, but websites get updated after the repositories
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05:28<ElectricElement>I understand that Debian is a *huge* project. I now practically why documentation lags behind features and functions...
05:28<petn-randall>ElectricElement: Press F5. It's on https:/www.debian.org
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05:28<abrotman>maybe shift-reload?
05:28<themill>wiki.d.o is user contributed documentation... you can contribute.
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05:29<ElectricElement>I don't fault anybody on any team for this, but I would like to know why releasing a new stable release doesn't update docs. Is there a build problem? I'm vaguely aware that translations are an issue?
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05:30<spacebug^>https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#openssl-issues "The 3DES and RC4 ciphers are no longer available for TLS/SSL communication". I can connect to my email server that uses only RC4. https://paste.debian.net/971957/ Am I not getting this correct? or does Thunderbird somehow not use the openssl lib?
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05:30<nicoo>spacebug^: IIRC, stretch has OpenSSL 1.1.x and 1.0.x
05:30<localhorst>Thunderbird uses NSS
05:30<itd>ElectricElement: Mind sharing a concrete example?
05:30<ElectricElement>I'm looking for concrete reasons for this, and possible ways I can help. I'd like d.org to be accurate immediately upon new releases, and have no idea where I can help the most.
05:31<petn-randall>!tell spacebug^ -about crosspost
05:31<nicoo>Oh, right, yes Thunderbird is NSS on top of that
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05:31<petn-randall>ElectricElement: ... https://www.debian.org *is* up-to-date.
05:32<annadane>hrm... https://paste.debian.net/971958/
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05:33<ElectricElement>petn-randall, https://debian.org currently states "The latest stable release of Debian is 8.8. The last update to this release was made on May 6th, 2017. Read more about available versions of Debian."
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05:33<spacebug^>petn-randall: sorry, thought about that. Ok, so thudnerbird uses another ssl-lib
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05:34<annadane>i wonder why it gives me that
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05:34<ElectricElement>I'm happy to accept that this is a local issue... Debian.org is updated, but *literally nobody I know* can see the updates. I've seen worse. But nothing on d.org implies a new stable release, from my system.
05:34<petn-randall>ElectricElement: Did you reload the page?
05:35<itd>annadane: Because those files are not there? :)
05:35<petn-randall>ElectricElement: Because I'm getting "[17 Jun 2017] Debian 9 "Stretch" released"
05:35<annadane>they're on my desktop. i cd'd to it and it's definitely there
05:35<ElectricElement>F5 for refresh, multiple browsers, and using multiple VPN providers out of the country. Seeing the same thing.
05:35<petn-randall>ElectricElement: along with a link to https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170617
05:36<ElectricElement>That link works for me, but it's not shown anywhere on an official source. :S
05:36<itd>annadane: What's the content of SHA512SUMS? Are you allowed to read the iso files?
05:37<petn-randall>ElectricElement: Are you using http*s*?
05:37<annadane>itd, https://paste.debian.net/971959/
05:37<abrotman>ElectricElement: can you take a screenshot and show us?
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05:37<nicoo>ElectricElement: Could it be, perhaps, that you didn't scroll down and look at the “News” section? Also, use HTTPS to make sure you aren't hitting some broken caching proxy
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05:38<annadane>oh.
05:38<annadane>the actual iso isn't in the same directory
05:38<ElectricElement>abrotman, Gladly, is there a suggested screenshot share for Debian?
05:38<annadane>soo...
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05:39<abrotman>picpaste.com ?
05:39<ElectricElement>nicoo, Screenshots with timestamps incoming, on sec...
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05:40<ElectricElement>Timestamp at top bar (using Gnome 3). http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_from_2017-06-18_02-37-59-7TStvqF8.1497778802.png
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05:41<fLoo>a question aside
05:41<fLoo>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libmicrohttpd
05:41<fLoo>still points to jessie as stable
05:41<fLoo>is this an automated process or does someone has to pull the switch?
05:41<annadane>cool, seems to be the right image
05:42<annadane>forgive my stupidity :)
05:43<nicoo>ElectricElement: Is your view of https://www.debian.org/releases/ up to date ?
05:43<abrotman>and you've done the shift-reload bit?
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05:45<dalk>ElectricElement: this is what me and apparently everybody else is seeing: http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_from_2017-06-18_12-40-35-4ogf5wLj.1497779072.png
05:46<jmw>fLoo: p.d.o is updated on a timer
05:46<jmw>as is tracker.d.o
05:46<ElectricElement>nicoo, Current screenshot of that address. Note: HTTPS Everywhere extension, Privacy Badger, and uBlock origin. I am viewing the HTTPS debian.org resource without interruption, but I am not seeing the newest release mentioned. http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-06-18_02-43-39-tyKnohzf.png
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05:47<jmw>isn't the website mirrorred? maybe some are out of date
05:47<ElectricElement>Also, I would suggest a better screenshot tool, while I'm doing it. :P Perhaps Fedora's new Modern Paste, minimized?
05:47<itd>fLoo: Can confirm your view. Also suspect mirroring delay.
05:48<ElectricElement>It's JS heavy, which doesn't suit the low-end, embedded tools that Debian is good for... but something akin is welcome. :)
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05:48<nicoo>ElectricElement: picpaste.com is not an official Debian tool, just something someone here suggested, FWIW
05:49<ElectricElement>Fair, and I ACK.
05:49<nicoo>ElectricElement: Can you pastebin the output of `dig debian.org` ?
05:49<ElectricElement>hAPPILY.
05:49<nicoo>I just did a quick check, and from my view all webservers are up-to-date
05:51<ElectricElement>nicoo, https://demo.modernpaste.com/paste/j0xmAwQrAlseA61vzGVfYg/raw
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05:52<ElectricElement>Glad to query other servers as well. The output of this response relies (at the end) on FreeDNS.
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05:55<nicoo>OK, that seems correct
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05:57<ElectricElement>I'm no longer worried that Debian release fucked this up. That's a good thing. I'm not *way* more paranoid about how I'm getting the internet on my local system. :P
05:57<ElectricElement>now *way* *
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05:58<nicoo>ElectricElement: Could you run this? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/8192fb66/
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05:59<nicoo>Then the same, with `dig +short debian.org` replaced with `dig +short AAAA debian.org`
05:59<ElectricElement>Sure, lemme look at what that does first.
06:00<tensorpudding>Is it officially released yet?
06:00<ElectricElement>Runs a loop using sh (probably dash?) looking for 9.0 releases?
06:00<nicoo>Sure (just loops over the servers for d.o, fetch the root page, grep for version number 9.0, but I commend you on not running weird stuff from the Internets blindly)
06:00<nicoo>tensorpudding: https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170617
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06:01<nicoo>Since yesterday
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06:01<jmw>nicoo: your curl does not work for AAAA, you need square brackets around the $i
06:01<tensorpudding>When I last checked "yesterday" it still wasn't.
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06:02<ElectricElement>nicoo, Output of the script, minus the script itself. https://demo.modernpaste.com/paste/KKgccdOYtsS6NREdvIlX-Q/raw
06:02<nicoo>jmw: Right, thanks
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06:02<itd>tensorpudding: "Yesterday" might depend on your timezone. ;)
06:02<nicoo>ElectricElement: Well, now we know that asking the servers with curl works as expected
06:02<tensorpudding>Yes, that's what I mean. I think it was Sunday in Western Europe before it released.
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06:03<nicoo>ElectricElement: So the spookyness is limited to your browser.
06:03<tensorpudding>But I guess the center of the world is in Freedomland and maybe it was still Saturday there.
06:04<ElectricElement>hahahaha. Spooky action at a distance. Not an expected feature of a Debian release, but... WTF...
06:04<nicoo>ElectricElement: Since you are using Chromium, try reproducing the issue under `chromium --temp-profile`
06:04<jmw>tensorpudding: we started on saturday at 0700UTC and we finished on saturday at 2300PT. I see no problem :)
06:04<nicoo>If it works there, it's limited to your browser profile, which means it is either the browser's cache, a browser extension messing up, or somesuch
06:04<ElectricElement>Do I need to kill my existing Chromium process for that?
06:05<nicoo>jmw: I should feed you gin tonic :)
06:05<nicoo>ElectricElement: No
06:05<itd>jmw: You are awesome.
06:05<tensorpudding>Pacific time! Those goshdarned Californians.
06:05<jmw>nicoo: I party tonight. there may be gin.
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06:05<nicoo>:D
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06:06<nicoo>jmw: Does that happen to be near Cambridge? Can I crash your party? :P
06:06<jmw>nicoo: strangely enough, it is cambridge indeed
06:06<nicoo>(Assuming I produce a spoon before then; helping nattie yesterday was more tiring than I care to admit)
06:06<nicoo>\o/
06:07<jmw>https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyStretch#ReleasePartyStretch.2FUK.2FCambridge.UK:_Cambridge
06:08<ElectricElement>nicoo, That loaded the same Debian.org page I'm used to in a new browser window. So... absent my Chromium profile, I'm still not seeing the release of Stretch.
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06:09<ElectricElement>I'll have to scrub my real username, but the terminal output and the Chromium result without profile are matching.
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06:10<ElectricElement>I did get an error: "[12388:12417:0618/030657.384501:ERROR:browser_gpu_channel_host_factory.cc(103)] Failed to launch GPU process."But I assume that's a rendering issue and not relevant to diagnosing the question I have Re: Debian release being reflected.
06:10<nicoo>ElectricElement: Well, there is something really kooky going on with your browser
06:11<nicoo>And I guess I will stop there, because I have some light systems administration to do before jmw gets me drunk
06:11<nicoo>O:3
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06:11<ElectricElement>Why do you feel it's my browser, nicoo? Can we dispell it if I use a different browser and request the d.org resources from another system (say, half-an-earth-away)?
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06:12<tensorpudding>stretch is nice mostly, some of the new GNOME themeing is kinda hard to get used to though
06:12<ElectricElement>Oh shit, go drink. :) Thanks for your help, nicoo. :)
06:13<ElectricElement>tensorpudding, The Debian theme is intended to be universal across all of the ways you might install Debian. It's not always the best for all users.
06:13<nicoo>ElectricElement: I'm saying it's your browser because `curl` fetches the expected page
06:14<ElectricElement>I have some (subjective) opinions on nice ways to theme Debian for specific use cases. :)
06:14<anjum>Is there anything new with Cinnamon on Stretch.
06:14<jmw>dpkg: tell anjum about changelog
06:16<anjum>I did look at the online changelog it's just that couldn't discern anything feature-wise from it, so just checking.
06:17<jmw>you probably want to compare upstream's notes between the versions in stretch and jessie, really. they will be more revealing
06:17<dboles>There are bound to be lots of new things given how much time has passed
06:17<dboles>and yeah, that's the way to find out about them
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06:18<jmw>and then you should blog about them or something so others can find out
06:18<annadane>where does one find upstream notes?
06:18<jmw>somewhere near http://developer.linuxmint.com/, I would imagine
06:19<dboles>searching for e.g. "linux cinnamon blog" could help: http://segfault.linuxmint.com/
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06:20<ElectricElement>anjum, Are there any specific cinnamon features you rely on that you're concerned about? I am not part of the Debian Project, but I'd like to help if possible.
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06:21<nicoo>ElectricElement: Do you use Debian, helpfully report bugs and so on?
06:21<anjum>Nothing specific really, just curious if there's anything new.
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06:21<nicoo>If you, you are totally contributing to Debian
06:22<dboles>I imagine there are too many new things to summarise on IRC
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06:22<dboles>Packages like DEs tend to move quite fast, relatively, to between major releases of Debian there are usually many things that change
06:23<dboles>s/to between/so between/
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06:23<ElectricElement>nicoo, I do, lazily, most of the time. which is a very non-committal response, I know. :)
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06:24<ElectricElement>I rely on Debian proper for my servers. I trust Debian, OpenBSD, and various side projects of Debian to keep me reasonably secure... so yeah, I'm a Debian user. :P
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06:25<ElectricElement>anjum, When it comes to desktop environments, it's more important to track the toolkits that environment uses.
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06:26<ElectricElement>Debian Jessie used 2.2.16. Stretch is using 3.2.7. Quite a lot has changed since then.
06:26<dboles>I would say that things like the shell, 'control panel', file manager, etc probably get more significant changes
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06:27<dboles>although if your DE is one that migrates between major toolkit versions, then yeah, that can definitely be a big change
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06:27<dboles>iirc that won't affect Cinnamon though, as it'll be GTK+3 in Jessie and Stretch
06:28<ElectricElement>For the most part, Debian "inherits" the improvements (and bugs) that the upstream authors have. Right now, Stretch is closer to Linux Mint's Cinnamon desktop than Debian Jessie was.
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06:29<ElectricElement>So their bug fixes and improvements are "free" with Debian. Cinnamon users benefit most by using Linux Mint, since they develop their desktop using that stack.
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06:30<DafuQ>hey
06:30<DafuQ>How to have a color pseudo
06:31<ElectricElement>But Linux Mint is not committed to Free Software, or other goals of the Debian Project. If you want the best Cinnamon experience, you should use Linux Mint. If you want a free, trusted system, Debian's latest release is the best way to get that!
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06:33<anjum>I had serious objections with the gnome desktop in just over all usability and such, so I settled with cinnamon.
06:33<dboles>ElectricElement: you mean because LM includes nonfree packages by default?
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06:34<anjum>I believe that's what EE meant, yes.
06:34<DafuQ>hi i musst leave
06:34<ElectricElement>Partially, yes. They're based on Ubuntu. Their releases are aligned to Ubuntu, and their reference implimentation uses Ubuntu as a dependency.
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06:35<icarious>I installed stretch using the debootstrap method. all went well but I can't boot into the system. I have encrypted lvm partitions. Can't find LVM root dropped back to initramfs shell. How do I add lvm to the initramfs?
06:35<ElectricElement>That does not make their desktop environment less free. It just aligns differently than the goals of the Debian project.
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06:37<ElectricElement>Linux Mint Debian Edition has more rough spots, and has fewer developers, but it's a supported way to use the MATE and Cinnamon desktop environments in a Debian system. I would recommend that over Linux Mint... but there are going to be bugs.
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06:37<SynrG>in a Debian *derivative* system
06:38<SynrG>important point, since we don't support that here
06:38<ixi>^
06:38<ElectricElement>Installing either the Debian Cinnamon or MATE environments using Debian's "tasksel" command is still the best way, IMO, to use those environments.
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06:42<ElectricElement>SynrG, Fair point from a practical perspective. I use my previous statements as an *explanation*.
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06:47<_aeris_>hello people !
06:47<anjum>Good day.
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06:47<_aeris_>there is a trouble with dist-upgrade jessie -> stretch
06:48<ElectricElement>Oh yeah, I was wrong and should clarify. Using the Cinnamon or MATE desktop environments via Linux Mint Debian Edition is a way to get support directly from the developers of those DEs using a Debian base. That base is *not* supported by the Debian project.
06:48<_aeris_>the gpg key EF0F382A1A7B6500 for stretch was not backported on jessie
06:48<_aeris_>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860831
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06:48<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/860831 in src:debian-archive-keyring (closed): «debian-archive-keyring: release key for stretch?»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-04-20; last modified: 2017-05-25.
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06:48<_aeris_>https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/debian-archive-keyring/filelist
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06:49<_aeris_>so you are not able to verify stretch packages from jessie, and apt refuse the dist-upgrading
06:49<pavi[m]>cef: There are live images you can try
06:49<jmw>_aeris_: you need to have fully updated jessie and you'll get the updated keyring
06:49<pavi[m]>cef: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
06:50<_aeris_>jmw > which package embed the stretch key ?
06:50<ElectricElement>_aeris_, Can you please check if the key is installed in the stretch version of debian-archive-keyring?
06:50<_aeris_>ElectricElement > yep, it is
06:50<_aeris_>https://packages.debian.org/stretch/all/debian-archive-keyring/filelist
06:50<jmw>hum actually the bts is not quite up to date
06:50<ElectricElement>:)
06:51<_aeris_>i try a fresh jessie at this time :)
06:51<ElectricElement>In the back of jmw's mind, there was "Fuuuuck".
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06:51<jmw>hang on, I'm checking what we decided about this at the time
06:52<jmw>I remember talking about it
06:53<_aeris_>i start a full update of jessie, but don't see any keyring update
06:53<_aeris_>(i wait for the completion)
06:53<nicoo>ElectricElement: Well, my contribution track record to Debian is also on and off, but nobody can ask for more; we all have a life that contains other things too
06:54*_aeris_ hug nicoo
06:54*nicoo hugs _aeris_ back
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06:54<nicoo>_aeris_: You are going to get all the packages which I really should have touched up before the release :O
06:54<ElectricElement>_aeris_, This early into a new stable release, it's possible that there are undiscovered bugs. Holding off is a more safe bet than forcing unsigned packages. :)
06:55<nicoo>Well, could be worse, you could also have gotten all the packages I didn't finish before freeze
06:55<jmw>_aeris_: right, so there isn't an updated keyring package for jessie yet, because the new Release file is signed by both keys so it should be verifiable
06:55<jmw>have you actually tried a dist-upgrade?
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06:55<_aeris_>jmw > i'm currently running a dist-upgrade without upgrading to stretch
06:56<_aeris_>then i will try a stretch dist-upgrade
06:56<jmw>ok so this may actually not be a problem
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06:57<ElectricElement>nicoo, Out of curiosity, what packages do you maintain?
06:57<ElectricElement> :P
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06:57<nicoo>ElectricElement: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=nicolas%40braud-santoni.eu&comaint=yes
06:58<ElectricElement>Go and ELF... Well..
06:58<nicoo>Plus some more packages for which I haven't files a RFS yet since nobody sponsors my upload anyway
06:58<_aeris_>jmw > i confirm
06:58<_aeris_>W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
06:59<_aeris_>EF0F382A1A7B6500
06:59<jmw>that's ok, it's an expected warning
06:59<jmw>it should still succeed
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06:59<_aeris_>but seems you can install debian-archive-keyring without error
06:59<_aeris_>and then, redo a apt update to fix the error
06:59<ElectricElement>I kinda hate the fact that I'm not writing everything in Go yet, so my "meh" is not personal. :P
06:59<jmw>you can do the whole upgrade without error. apt correctly warns that it can't verify one of the signatures, but the other signature is fine
07:00<ElectricElement>Thank you for maintaining those packages, and making Debian better for it.
07:00*jmw relaxes
07:00<nicoo>ElectricElement: Oh, I didn'y take it personally, I think go is quite meh indeed
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07:00<ElectricElement>I worked with the OpenMoko project, back in the day when the EFL was stabilizing. I do not have fond memories there.
07:01<nicoo>ElectricElement: I'm also involved in the OCaml packaging team, though I really should be more active there again
07:01<jmw>having to rebuild big chunks of archive every time go gets updated does not a happy release team make
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07:01<jmw>I dread the first stable security update...
07:01<nicoo>And the QA dashboard doesn't know about packages for which I commited patches but never made the actual upload
07:02<ElectricElement>Which reminds me..
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07:02<ElectricElement>https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/
07:02<nicoo>(as in, someone else uploaded to the archive)
07:02<ElectricElement>This is too many links.
07:02<nicoo>jmw: Yes, that's really annoying, but that's the case with all statically linked stuff, no?
07:02<Omochao>hello, I am having trouble upgrading to stretch. Currently at step 4.4.3 of the release notes and running into this issue: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/o6IaFiTg/
07:03<Omochao>the command to get the file is from https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/279725
07:03<nicoo>Omochao: It's just a warning, not an error
07:03<nicoo>You should be able to proceed
07:03<Omochao>this appears to be the Debian core repo mirror
07:03<jmw>Omochao: that warning is fine, the release file has two signatures on it. when your debian-archive-keyring package is upgraded, it will stop warning you
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07:03<jmw>anyone know how to teach the bot about this?
07:03<Omochao>I see. Thanks
07:03<jmw>think it's going to be a faq
07:04<Omochao>now I know what the release notes meant about the warnings in an earlier section
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07:05<Omochao>or perhaps it was something different. Not sure, can't find it anymore
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07:12<itd>jmw: '/msg dpkg X is Y' http://infobot.sourceforge.net/guide-0.43.x.html
07:14<nicoo>jmw: What's the process for updating release notes?
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07:15<DafuQ>Yeah
07:15<itd>jmw: I guess you want something similar to '/msg dpkg etch->lenny key'.
07:15<DafuQ>its my bor
07:15<DafuQ>*bot
07:16<DafuQ>con
07:16<DafuQ>Im happy
07:16<DafuQ>it work
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07:18<nicoo>DafuQ: Your nick is oddly appropriate for the author of the faq-answering bot of this channel :)
07:18<itd>dpkg: owner
07:18<dpkg>dondelelcaro owns me
07:18<DafuQ>Oh sorry
07:18<DafuQ>I didn't know
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07:19<nicoo>Oh, ok, your “it's my bot” confused me
07:19<Ev1L>Is it good ?
07:19<ElectricElement>^ More fitting. :P
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07:21<Doireann>Hi
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07:21<ElectricElement>Hello Doireann
07:21<jmw>!jessie->stretch-keyring
07:22<jmw>oops
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07:22<jmw>!jessie->stretch-keyring-warning
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07:22<jmw>pesky bot
07:22<ElectricElement>Row row row your bot... gently to upstream...
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07:23<abrotman>dpkg: hi
07:23<dpkg>hey, abrotman
07:23<abrotman>dpkg: jessie->stretch-keyring
07:23<dpkg>abrotman: i haven't a clue
07:23<abrotman>dpkg: jessie->stretch-keyring-warning
07:23<dpkg>jessie->stretch-keyring-warning is probably The warning "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: EF0F382A1A7B6500" is just that - merely a warning. The stretch release file is signed by old and new keys, so it can still be verified by apt. Proceed with the upgrade, and when the debian-archive-keyring package is updated the warning will be silenced
07:23<jmw>there that's better
07:23<jmw>ta
07:23<abrotman>jmw: short addressing doens't work with ->
07:23<jmw>right
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07:25<ElectricElement>jmw, Do you have an idea why that workaround is needed?
07:26<jmw>it's not a workaround, it's just apt correctly warning that one signature can't be verified
07:26<jmw>when the updated keyring package gets installed, now apt has both keys available to verify both signatures with, so it shuts up
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07:27<Schweppes>how are you
07:27<jmw>knackered actually
07:28<ElectricElement>Dumb question, but if archive keyrings are signed by older keys that are valid, should this not be needed? Perhaps a pinning priority, so that the user gets to correct keyring when upgrading (and not needing to upgrade twice)?
07:29<jmw>ElectricElement: I don't think you have understood the warning. the Release file on the mirror is signed by the jessie release key *and* the stretch release key, so that there is cross-over. but apt warns it can't verify the signature by the stretch key until it has the stretch keyring package installed
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07:29<jmw>verifying the signature with the jessie key works just fine, but it doesn't tell you that
07:29<Schweppes>anyone can you help me with Steam
07:30<itd>dpkg: steam
07:30<dpkg>Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam
07:30<ElectricElement>jmw, Yep, I was wrong.
07:31<Schweppes>i have only one error ,open gl not support by display
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07:31<itd>Schweppes: Did you read the installation instructions in the wiki?
07:31<nicoo>Schweppes: Please ask in #steamlug ?
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07:32<Schweppes>yes,am read instructions,not work
07:32<gazump>Why is stretch still in testing here : https://packages.debian.org/testing/
07:33<ElectricElement>gazump, Are you in the US?
07:33<jmw>because its timer hasn't run yet
07:33<gazump>no
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07:37<Schweppes>anyone from bulgaria
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07:37<itd>dpkg: bg
07:37<dpkg>Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net)
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07:38<ElectricElement>I'm excited about the Debian FreedomBox blend using recommended hardware from Bulgaria. :)
07:39<abrotman>guess that factoid should be removed
07:39<Schweppes>:P
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07:40<gazump>Is my Skylake Pentium still supported? This page says otherwise https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg00001.html
07:41<nicoo>Schweppes: #steamlug seems to be on Freenode
07:41<towo`>why would anyone install i386 on a skylake system?
07:41<nicoo>https://steamlug.org/irc
07:41<gazump>towo` thanks
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07:43<ElectricElement>towo`, Cross-compiler? :P
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07:44<Schweppes>nicoo thanks
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07:44<nicoo>Schweppes: You are welcome
07:45<Finian>Steam needs i386 doesn't it?
07:45<ElectricElement>This isn't a Debian problem, but I really wish the architectures of supported systems was more sane across the board. X86 isn't supported... but neither is AARCH64, and they both work reasonable well wihout being specific. :P
07:45<Schweppes>:P
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07:46<towo`>Finian, as foreign arch, yes
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07:46<ElectricElement>Steam needs lib32 SOs when running 32-bit apps (Debian supports multi-arch). It does not depend on them using 64-bit apps such as No Man's Sky.
07:47<towo`>ElectricElement, it does depend on 32bit
07:47<towo`>since the steam client itself is only 32bit
07:47<Schweppes>32bits
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07:50<ElectricElement>What's the value of the WINEARCH variable then? In my experience, this has mattered in running older apps (32-bit specifically) but the WINEARCH=win64 has not depended on 32-bit binaries itself.
07:50<ixi>does debian work well on new (2017) laptops?
07:51<ixi>i.e. Kaby lake, nvidia 1050/1050ti/1060, etc ?
07:51<ElectricElement>Steam client supports both "native" and "runtime" runtime options. Defaults to 32, but does not *strictly require it* AFAIK. (I'm likely wrong.)
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07:51<ElectricElement>ixi, Have you used a stable release of Debian before?
07:51<ixi>yes
07:52<abrotman>ixi: probably a try and see. I'd imagine they work, just a question of how well.
07:52<ixi>hm, ok
07:52<ixi>gonna get a liveusb then
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07:53<ElectricElement>It's very rare that a Debian release *removes* functionality. It does happen... ocassionally, in rare circumstances, but I am not aware of any existing issues.
07:53<jelly>ElectricElement: it's sadly too often that upstream removes functionality, and Debian goes with that
07:54<ElectricElement>I would suggest trying it using a LiveCD, seeing if your required options work, and then making a decision. :
07:54<ElectricElement>:)
07:54<jelly>and video drivers bitrot.
07:54<jelly>ixi: if it's a laptop and you expect wifi to work, use unofficial images with firmware
07:54<jelly>!firmware live
07:54<dpkg>Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for using Debian 8 "jessie" as a live OS are available under http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ . See also <firmware images>.
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07:55<ixi>yes, the question is about laptop
07:55<jelly>that URL actually points to stretch now.
07:55<ElectricElement>jelly, Fair.
07:55<ixi>I am also wondering about suspend/resume
07:55<ixi>but that's more of a vendor/platform thing I guess
07:55<ixi>not chipset/architecture thing
07:56<nicoo>ElectricElement: Not sure what you mean by “x86 isn't supported”, it's a release architecture: https://www.debian.org/ports/#portlist-released
07:56<jelly>ixi: if it's a new chipset, it may take 6-12 months or more for things to become stable, and that means versions in debian won't have all the functionality or all the bugs fixed
07:56<abrotman>and you may need to rely on -backports for kernels/drivers
07:56<jelly>when those happen, yes
07:57<ixi>well, it's been out for 5 months
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07:58<ElectricElement>nicoo, Embarassing question, but can you timestamp my x86 isn't supported" post? I can't seem to find it, but want to reference it. :P
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07:59<ElectricElement>Pretty sure I was talking about Steam runtimes and not Debian, but if I was unclear, I want to clarify. :)
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08:01<nicoo>ElectricElement: 11:45:02Z. Indeed might have been about Steam, sorry about that
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08:03<ElectricElement>jelly, In my experience, bitrot on GPU drivers happens, but Debian stable tends to avoid them. Stretch specifically is so new that I can't think of a situation where the latest release *is not* an improvement.
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08:05<ElectricElement>I run Debian on various hardware. X86_64 with an AMDGPU (OSS, not pro) driver as my daily driver. I've had to set my screen resolution manually (this is a legit bug) but haven't had any issues with my hardware flat out not working.
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08:07<miklcct>dear all I cannot get hdmi audio on my amd r9 380 card on testing, anything I can do?
08:07<ElectricElement>The v4l driver on Debian isn't yet suitable as a daily driver for the Raspberry Pi, but it's the most stable KMS driver I've seen on the Raspberry Pi 3.
08:08<itd>miklcct: testing or stretch?
08:08<miklcct>testing
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08:10<itd>miklcct: #debian-next is where you want to ask your question.
08:11<jelly>ElectricElement: in particular, video-intel people seem to stop caring about gps that are older than 2-3 years
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08:13<ElectricElement>That's a factor of how frequently people replace those components, I think, and probably not so much about them being Free.
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08:15<ElectricElement>Intel Compute Sticks costs like... $150 in the US. Replacing the *entire stack* costs less using Intel Hardware than many GPUs cost when bought outright.
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08:16<ElectricElement>They have FOSS KMS drivers, and that's pretty much it. Intel hasn't released a discreet card, so it's fair to assume that users of those GTPU chipset are trying to maintain older hardware.
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08:17<ElectricElement>Not that nVidia is any better, or that Intel sucks..
08:17<ElectricElement>They all do, universally. :P
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08:21<ElectricElement>If you want a completely Free System... hold on... They don't exist. If you want the *most free* system you can get on AMD64, it's Debian, and you're using an AMD card that supports the AMDGPU driver.
08:22<abrotman>Intel has, but not in a long time (technically)
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08:23<ElectricElement>Intel, on specific chipsets, play very well with FOSS.
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08:24<miklcct>intel graphics is no good for gaming
08:24<ElectricElement>Specifically, any Intel chips (CPU or GPU) released prior to 2006.
08:24<ElectricElement>Intel is not a viable option for gaming or video playback if you demand FOSS hardware *and* buy components in local stores.
08:25<TobiX>miklcct: Depends on what you're playing ;)
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08:28<ixi>intel hd4000 is very old
08:28<ixi>but it can play 1080p video without any problem
08:29<ixi>and also most native linux games well
08:29<ElectricElement>Very few games that are libre are visually demanding. Ver few games that are popular are libre.
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08:30<ElectricElement>IMO, users of FOSS systems need to understand the following: https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/16/15622366/valve-gabe-newell-sales-origin-destructive
08:31<ElectricElement>You can buy an Intel Atom rig for under $100 USD that can play every FOSS game ever released. What you'll find across the board is that every game more demanding requires you to agree to DRM of some sort.
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08:32<ElectricElement>Use Windows 10 if you're okay with that kind of restriction. Use SteamOS if you want your freedom stripped away but also (for some reason) want to use a Debian base.
08:32<ixi>who are you talking to?
08:33<ElectricElement>I'm merely talking out of my ass, to the wind.
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08:33<ElectricElement>I am sure nobody is actually listening.
08:33<ixi>this is a support channel
08:34<miklcct>I don't care if the game I am playing is libre or not. I only care if the game can run smoothly on my system and actually improve my sports performance
08:34<TobiX>ElectricElement: #debian-offtopic is the better place for that. Or even #fjiewjpoijwefpo
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08:35<TobiX>miklcct: That sounds like you want use Windows instead...
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08:42<DeViL-CHaoS>hello
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08:43<DeViL-CHaoS>i hace justo installed debían 9, but when i start computer i get that error: mpu-401 device not found or device busy
08:43<DeViL-CHaoS>what that It meando? what should i do?
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08:44<EmleyMoor>DeViL-CHaoS: Do you have such a device?
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08:45<DeViL-CHaoS>how i do this?
08:45<miklcct>TobiX: I actually installed both Windows and Debian on my same machine, but I can't find a version of Kontact (KMail, KOrganizer, etc) on Windows
08:46<EmleyMoor>DeViL-CHaoS: Do you know if you have an mpu-401 device or not? Answer that, from your knowledge.
08:46<miklcct>should I fire up a virtual machine just for running such software?
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08:46<DeViL-CHaoS>yes i have that error
08:47<DeViL-CHaoS>but i Sony know what means
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08:47<DeViL-CHaoS>don't
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08:47<EmleyMoor>DeViL-CHaoS: No, not "do you have that error", do you have that device in the first place?
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08:47<toad_>when I updated to stretch, I got a missing key error. installing debian-archive-keyring fixed it... and since apt-get install debian-archive-keyring *didn't* warn me again, presumably this one package is signed with the old keys as well? But if this is expected behaviour why isn't it documented in the release notes?
08:48<EmleyMoor>If you do not have the device, it will be, as the error says, not found... in which case IGNORE the error
08:48<DeViL-CHaoS>where can i look It?
08:48<TobiX>toad_: Not having that key does not negativly affect the upgrade, AFAICS
08:48<EmleyMoor>DeViL-CHaoS: In documentation for your hardware, I guess... if you really don't know if you own such a device or not
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08:49<DeViL-CHaoS>i don't know :(
08:49<toad_>TobiX: is it only used for non-free or something? I'd like to know why what I just did is safe
08:49<TobiX>toad_: The new release is signed with multiple keys
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08:49<DeViL-CHaoS>when i get the error i can't maje nothing
08:49<toad_>apt-get used to check again when installing a package...
08:49<toad_>ahhh
08:49<DeViL-CHaoS>computer id like thinking with a _
08:49<EmleyMoor>The most likely reason you see that error is that you don't have such a device. Such errors can be safely ignored... sorry, is this stopping your machine?
08:50<toad_>so the warning is bogus then... or at least unhelpful when upgrading ...
08:50<DeViL-CHaoS>yes stop it
08:50<DeViL-CHaoS>i ser the error and lateral i see a _
08:50<DeViL-CHaoS>anda no works more
08:50<EmleyMoor>Ah, now you tell us...
08:51<EmleyMoor>Well, MPU-401 is a MIDI device... when exactly is this error occurring? I can't think of a reason it would prevent a startup completing...
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08:52<DeViL-CHaoS>i start pc, i selector debían and i get BlackBerry screen
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08:52<DeViL-CHaoS>there i read
08:52<EmleyMoor>BlackBerry???
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08:52<DeViL-CHaoS>adpm could nota configure common clock
08:52<DeViL-CHaoS>no sorry, black
08:53<DeViL-CHaoS>i am with móvil And corrector...
08:53<DeViL-CHaoS>aspm
08:53<EmleyMoor>Are you sure it's stopping, not just taking time?
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08:54<DeViL-CHaoS>i ser the _ is mooving
08:54<DeViL-CHaoS>but i presa antes ley and nothing
08:54<DeViL-CHaoS>i wait more thanks 20 minutes
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08:54<DeViL-CHaoS>and no males nothing
08:54<DeViL-CHaoS>makes
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08:56<DeViL-CHaoS>read
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08:56<DeViL-CHaoS>i start computer and i select debían GNU/linux
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08:57<EmleyMoor>Never heard of this before... anyone else? BTW, DeViL-CHaoS, do you generally use a language other than English?
08:57<DeViL-CHaoS>lateral i ser black screen where i read /de/sda1 clean, 124437/9641984 files, 1643966/38548224 blocks
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08:58<DeViL-CHaoS>and other línea i read
08:59<DeViL-CHaoS>( 8.594027 ) MPU-401 device not found ir device busy
08:59<DeViL-CHaoS>and thats all
08:59<DeViL-CHaoS>spanish
08:59<EmleyMoor>That's probably irrelevant. What is the line before it?
08:59<TobiX>!debian-es
08:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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09:01<DeViL-CHaoS>i don't know why no works
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09:01<EmleyMoor>DeViL-CHaoS: The error about MPU-401 is NOT what is stopping your machine. Something else is
09:02<DeViL-CHaoS>perhaps os graphic card?
09:03<EmleyMoor>DeViL-CHaoS: But you haven't mentioned anything about it.
09:03<DeViL-CHaoS>is Nvidia in PCI express
09:04<DeViL-CHaoS>because i don't know ir that os the problema or no
09:04<kpcyrd>packages.debian.org still lists "stretch (testing)" :)
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09:04<EmleyMoor>Well, have the various messages given you any clues that it may be?
09:04<DeViL-CHaoS>what i don't understand...
09:05<DeViL-CHaoS>i have fiesta tryed un windows7 with virtualbox Andrés no problem
09:05<TobiX>kpcyrd: It takes some days until all web sites are updated
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09:05<EmleyMoor>DeViL-CHaoS: You know what your graphics card *is*, but have you been giwen any messages about it?
09:05<DeViL-CHaoS>no i normal install in hard disk and o get problem
09:05<EmleyMoor>given*
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09:06<DeViL-CHaoS>yes
09:06<EmleyMoor>DeViL-CHaoS: They being???
09:06<DeViL-CHaoS>adpm: could not configure common clock
09:06<DeViL-CHaoS>aspm
09:06<EmleyMoor>DeViL-CHaoS: How do you know that is about your graphics card?
09:07<DeViL-CHaoS>i don't know really
09:07<devil>could you please try to do zhis without highlighting me all the time? thanls
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09:07<DeViL-CHaoS>i only have think perhaps os graphic
09:07<devil>typos
09:07<EmleyMoor>D-C: No, it isn't
09:07<devil>:)
09:07<DeViL-CHaoS>what meando the aspm error?
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09:08<DeViL-CHaoS>sorry devil
09:08<devil>no problem
09:08<Schweppes>Hi
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09:08<sth0R>https://github.com/hardenedlinux/Debian-GNU-Linux-Profiles
09:08<DeViL-CHaoS>means
09:09<EmleyMoor>It's to do with "active state power management"... for extending battery life on laptops... basically, it failed to set a common clock for its operation. Once again, *NOT* a showstopper.
09:09<DeViL-CHaoS>why i get the message: PCI 0000:00:02:0: aspm: could not configure common clock
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09:10<EmleyMoor>D-C: Because the relevant piece of hardware doesn't support it. Ignore.
09:10<DeViL-CHaoS>so where i have the problema? why no go debían?
09:11<DeViL-CHaoS>fiesta aspm error, lateral mpu
09:11<DeViL-CHaoS>and no start, s stopped
09:11<DeViL-CHaoS>first
09:11<EmleyMoor>D-C: Elsewhere. Something you haven't yet told us has happened
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09:12<DeViL-CHaoS>i have told all
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09:12<EmleyMoor>No, you've told two.
09:12<DeViL-CHaoS>where can i update Photoshop foro You ser it
09:13<DeViL-CHaoS>photos
09:13<EmleyMoor>Do you have a screenshot of what you are saying? Upload to picpaste.com...
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09:15<DeViL-CHaoS>ok wait
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09:16<DeViL-CHaoS>http://i64.tinypic.com/4r6nvd.jpg
09:16<DeViL-CHaoS>have hoy read the link?
09:16<DeViL-CHaoS>you
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09:17<EmleyMoor>OK, right... I see where you are... but are you saying nothing further happens for 20 minutes?
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09:18<EmleyMoor>I would suggest your installation failed badly in some way.
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09:18<DeViL-CHaoS>nothing, more than 30 minutes
09:19<EmleyMoor>I would be suggesting redoing your installation from scratch
09:19<DeViL-CHaoS>ok, i Will formar and reinstall
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10:18<Horsti>hello. Where did iptables go on debian9?
10:19<Horsti>and ifconfig also gone
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10:20<zykotick9>Horsti: no ifconfig surprised me as well... "ip address" gave me what i needed.
10:21<dvs>!v iproute2
10:21<dvs>,v iproute2
10:21<judd>Package: iproute2 on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16.0-2; sid: 4.9.0-1; buster: 4.9.0-1; stretch: 4.9.0-1
10:21<likcoras>Horsti: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2
10:22<Horsti>because my teamspeak server is not avaible from the outside
10:22<Horsti>ports set up correct on router
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10:39<miklcct>I am running stretch now but have some packages from jessie left behind, how can I know which packages are from jessie?
10:39<miklcct>my sources.list still contains entries from jessie and stretch
10:40<backbox>YES
10:41<blast007>miklcct: why does it contain both releases?
10:42<blast007>!stretch sources.list
10:42<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
10:43<miklcct>blast007: My machine previously ran jessie but needed some packages from then not-yet-released stretch to work
10:43<miklcct>specifically I needed something like util-linux which was not available as a backport
10:43<somiaj>miklcct: aptitude search ~o
10:43<miklcct>so I added stretch to sources.list
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10:43<somiaj>!don't break debian
10:43<dpkg>rumour has it, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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10:44<somiaj>miklcct: it is not suggested (nor supported here) to mix jessie and stretch in your sources.list. Binary packages are not made to be installed like you did.
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10:44<somiaj>miklcct: in this case make sure you fully upgrade to only stretch packages, read that link about don't break debian and don't mix
10:44<spacebug^>since upgrading to Stretch, I got only 1024x768 resolution. Before the upgrade I used backports to install newer kernel, libdrm2 and xserver-xorg-video-intel.
10:45<blast007>spacebug^: what GPU?
10:45<blast007>it it a pretty new intel chip?
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10:46<somiaj>spacebug^: stretch will use the modesetting driver by default over the intel one (xserver-xorg-video-intel). Maybe there is somethign you ddi that is conflicting with this change.
10:46<spacebug^>Intel HD 4600
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10:46<spacebug^>somiaj: I only upgraded
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10:47<spacebug^>before the upgrade I had used the backport to get it working
10:47<miklcct>somiaj: a lot of people mix testing and unstable when they need something not available in testing yet so I sometimes have to mix stable and testing is something is not available on stable and backports
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10:48<somiaj>correct, but with jessie + jessie-backports you were using xserver-xorg-video-intel while in stretch xserver-xorg-video-modesetting is the default that should be used on intel cards. Maybe some configuration you had from the jessie-backports is not dealing with this switch. Check your xorg log to see what is happning.
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10:48<somiaj>miklcct: mixing testing/unstable is a complete different issue than mixing stable/testing. I usually do not recommend either, but testing/unstable are usually 'close enough' this won't matter. Stable/testing will drift far enough apart that mixing will break things and is not supported here.
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10:48<blast007>miklcct: nope, you don't mix stable and testing. you use the backports repo, or backport stuff yourself.
10:49<spacebug^>somiaj: https://paste.debian.net/972004/
10:49<miklcct>That means I better build them from source if I want to use stuff in testing on stable?
10:49<somiaj>miklcct: if something is not avaialbe in stable, you should use a backport, if one isn't avaiable you make your own.
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10:49<somiaj>miklcct: correct, this is due to debian used linked libs, and you want to make sure all software you use is built against the libs in testing.
10:50<somiaj>miklcct: plus policy and other changes can make things conflict.
10:50<blast007>!ssb
10:50<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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10:50<spacebug^>somiaj: hum.. I seem to have "nomodeset" kernel option enabled (had that since I had an NVIDIA card that needed that)
10:51<somiaj>spacebug^: looks like the intel and the modestting drivers are disabled.
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10:51<Alytidae_>hello. one question. I'm trying to install wireless firmware. I have installed firmware-ralink, it tells me that the package is firmware-misc-nonfree. after installation I can connect to internet via wireless, but when I reboot I can't anymore. do you know why?
10:51<somiaj>spacebug^: get rid of that, see if that helps, make sure the intel card is not blacklisted, you should have the model i915 loaded, look in lsmod
10:51<spacebug^>somiaj: the i915 is used for the Intelcard according to lspci
10:52<spacebug^>I'll try removeing the nomodesert option and reboot..
10:52<somiaj>spacebug^: okay, but that driver should be using modesetting, if you disabled modesetting on that driver you may be having trouble.
10:52<thecat>I am getting following error, when trying "apt-get install python-dev"
10:52<thecat>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
10:52<thecat> python-dev : Depends: python2.7-dev (>= 2.7.3-1~) but it is not going to be installed
10:52<thecat>E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
10:52<somiaj>!bat
10:52<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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10:52<somiaj>thecat: ^^ proivde us all the info there
10:52<thecat>how can I find out what is causing the conflict ?
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10:56<thecat>somiaj: here is the info: http://paste.debian.net/972005/
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10:57<somiaj>thecat: you didn't provide me all the info, apt-cache policy python2.7-dev
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10:59<thecat>somiaj: sorry. Here it is: http://paste.debian.net/972007/
11:01<somiaj>thecat: I don't see any obvious issue. I do notice you don't have any security sources, maybe that is conflicting somewhere. I would isntall security sources.
11:01<somiaj>though I guess with LTS that may not be an issue.
11:01<somiaj>you may have to start going down the rabbit hole, try to install python2.7-dev and see what errors you get, and keep going down the issue using apt-cache policy until you find exactly what the problem is
11:01<somiaj>the fact you are seeing this in wheezy surprises me, and I see nothign wrong with your sources.
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11:02<thecat>somiaj: adding security sources solved the problem
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11:02<thecat>thanks for the tip
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11:06<somiaj>thecat: security fixes get provided via debian security, additionally bug fixes (non security) get provided via wheezy-updates, which all get put into wheezy during point releases. There could be times that there is a version conflict between what is in the point release and what is sitting in security if it didn't move into wheezy proper witha point release.
11:06<somiaj>in general you should always have debian security sources on debian machines.
11:08<thecat>somiaj: thanks. Good to know
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11:20<jayaura>Just installed debian 9, but in XFCE, I cant mount partitions, it say "not authorized to perform the operation"
11:20<jayaura>probably its the polkit related issue
11:21<jayaura>anyone know what package I am supposed to install ?
11:21<somiaj>it might also be some group you need to be a member of (I woudln't know what one though)
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11:25<jayaura>I see
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11:25<jayaura>xfce is the default right
11:25<jayaura>somiaj:
11:26<spacebug^>can I remove the iceweasel and icedove packages without removing firefor-esr and thunderbird?
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11:29<itd>spacebug^: Yes. Try 'apt-mark manual firefox-esr thunderbird' to prevent autoremoval.
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11:31<spacebug^>itd: ok I'll try that, thanks
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11:32<spacebug^>itd: cool, that worked. Is apt-mark a new thing? Never seen or heard about that before
11:33<jtecc>I just tried upgrading to stretch, but I had an error when running update-initramfs which caused the upgrade to fail. The error message said something about a read-only filesystem. Booting into the stretch kernel gives me a kernel panic about there being no init system.
11:33<jtecc>if I try to run dist-upgrade again, it doesn't do anything (figures everything is fine)
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11:34<jtecc>I did run dpkg --configure -a to try to see if it would fix anything, but it doesn't appear so (still getting kernel panic)
11:34<jtecc>anything else that I should do to recover the new stretch kernel?
11:34<itd>spacebug^: No, I don't think so.
11:34<spacebug^>itd: Ok. Nice to learn something new
11:35<jtecc>i'm assuming i can try to re-run update-initramfs -u and see if that fixes it, but was curious if i would need to do something else
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11:38<jtecc>well, it looks like running 'update-initramfs -u -t' was successful, so hopefully i'll come out on the other side
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11:38<somiaj>spacebug^: not really new, it has been around for a long time, though it is probably included in apt (just like it was included in aptitude (the ability to change flagS))
11:39<somiaj>nope, guess apt-mark has not been included in apt, and you still need to use apt-mark or aptitude
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11:52<toad_>I'm using VGA passthrough with debian for both host and guest. I'm passing through the second GPU to the guest, the first one is used by the host. but the console for the host seems to get sent to the second GPU *as well*... I'm guessing it goes through BIOS, and the BIOS for the second card runs when the VM starts?
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11:53<toad_>I wonder if forcing the host to use a framebuffer console would solve the problem?
11:53<toad_>and how to do that anyway - vesafb doesn't exist?
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11:54<toad_>this prevents me from upgrading the guest, since the host seems to turn off the screen and then i can't get back into it except by going into x windows ... which might not work while upgrading... i *think* i can fix that by consoleblank=0 on the host, but really they shouldn't both be using the same GPU...???
11:54<toad_>any ideas?
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11:57<toad_>hmmm, they are present... no vesafb but e.g. vga16fb ...
11:58<toad_>... result: real virtual terminals don't work at all :(
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12:27<mihi>Hi. After upgrading my server VM to stretch, Android Rsync Backup got really slow and often stops with a Protocol Error. Any idea where to look? (It uses rsync 3.1.1 and Dropbear SSH client v2014.66). Rsync from other Linux machines seems to be unaffected.
12:29<mihi>after the protocol error, I can see the sshd and rsync process on the server still alive.
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12:36<rustys>I need kbackup to restore my backup but it is not in stretch. Are there any other programs that can interact with that tar file?
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12:41<itd>rustys: Have you tTried to build a package for stretch using the source?
12:41<itd>s/tT/t/
12:42<rustys>That would be the last thing I do since for kde apps you need to setup a whole framework for it.
12:42<rustys>But will if I have too.
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12:52<Alytidae>hello. I have installed the package firmware-misc-nonfree for ralink wireless firmware. When I turn on the computer the wifi doesn't work and I can't see any net. But when I suspend the pc and wake up again, the wifi works fine and I can connect to any net. Any idea about it?
12:53<Alytidae>*network
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12:53<onryo>Verifying my Debian 9 iso. Is this a legit signing key? I don't have it on my keyring. DF9B9C49EAA9298432589D76DA87E80D6294BE9B
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12:55<grawity>can't guarantee whether legit or not, but looks like I've had that one for a long time
12:55<onryo>gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign SHA256SUMS is saying I don't have the key to verify this. Odd I have like 300+ debian keys.
12:57<onryo>grawity, you have had this for a while? Well that is a good start at least.
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12:59<jbarboza>?
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13:01<onryo>oops had ssh'd into a qemu instance. Some "Inception fluke" on my part. I sux.
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13:06<itd>Alytidae: Maybe your device is soft/hard blocked after a "cold" boot.
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13:11<Blacker47>onryo: https://www.debian.org/CD/verify.en.html
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13:13<DeViL-CHaoS>hello
13:13<DeViL-CHaoS>how can i install Nvidia Drivers un debían?
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13:16<ComradeRed>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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13:17<DeViL-CHaoS>thanks
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13:18<Ev1l>nobody
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13:18<Ev1l>Who want to speak ?
13:18<ComradeRed>hi
13:18<Ev1l>Hi
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13:19<onryo>Well I got hardware OpenGL acceleration working in my VMs though QEMU with Virtual-Manager. Nice =)
13:19<fLoo>hey
13:19<fLoo>to whom do i report a bug in the installer ?
13:19<onryo>fLoo, how was the party?
13:19<fLoo>awesome :)
13:20<fLoo>just reinstalled 20 vms
13:20<fLoo>thats why my bnc isnt here :<
13:20<espectalll[m]>Same, also wanted to report errors
13:20<espectalll[m]>could be on #debian-cd?
13:20<espectalll[m]>or is it OK here?
13:20<fLoo>my bug has todo with the translation in the installer
13:21<espectalll[m]>mine has to do with the installer not working at all
13:21<espectalll[m]>lol
13:21<fLoo>which platform ?
13:21<Bertz>onryo: Did hardware OpenGL accel work out of the box, or did you need to use some trickery?
13:21<espectalll[m]>Virtualbox x64, Live GNOME
13:21<fLoo>espectalll[m]: what kind of error do you get ?
13:21<espectalll[m]>error trying to read the CD-ROM, something like that
13:21<fLoo>which iso do you use ?
13:21<espectalll[m]>it's on Spanish, let me reboot on English to see what happens
13:22<espectalll[m]>as said, I used the Live GNOME 9.0.0 one for amd64
13:22<fLoo>ah didnt see that
13:22<fLoo>lemme check over here
13:22<espectalll[m]>so I boot to the graphical installer
13:22<onryo>Bertz, no put my code up on github. Using spice-server with all that is needed. Compiled a bunch of release debs if you are interested. https://github.com/adlererik/qemu-virgl/releases
13:22<espectalll[m]>choose English this time
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13:23<espectalll[m]>enjoy
13:23<thoreau>Hello, I noticed a lot of new themes are compatible with gnome in Stretch.
13:23<onryo>Bertz, nice to be able to run something like like Unity in a VM and not have lag!
13:24<fLoo>espectalll[m]:hold on im checking
13:24<Bertz>onryo: Thanks! Will definitely check that out!
13:24<thoreau>I was looking for dark themes, alternatives to Adwaita Dark, but so far, Arc, Numix, they all break at some program or another.
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13:25<thoreau>Adwaita Dark is the most consistent.
13:25<onryo>Bertz, all the code and etc is there. Just ported all the spiffy RedHad stuff.
13:25<thoreau>Are there other, dark, good alternatives to Adwaita out there?
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13:26<onryo>thoreau, yeah shell =)
13:26<fLoo>espectalll[m]: debian-live-9.0.0-amd64-gnome.iso thats the iso, correct ?
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13:26<thoreau>onryo: Just "shell"?
13:27<thoreau>onryo: I mean, that's its name?
13:27<onryo>thoreau, I kid, I kid sort of =) I use xfce with dusk but that is just me
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13:28<thoreau>onryo: Oh, I see. -_-*
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13:28<Hermi>Hi, is there someone here that could help me with a fonts-problem after the dist-upgrade to stretch? Probably gnome-related
13:28<Bertz>especially, I had the same issue. Tried both gnome and KDE in VirtualBox and qemu. The syslog says "cdrom-retriever: error: Unable to find '/w/work/free/kdepool/main/libl/liblzo2-udeb/liblzo2-2-udeb_2.08-1.2+b2_amd64.udeb'" for kde. That file IS on the cd, but I think it may be in the wrong place.
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13:29<espectalll[m]>fLoo: yup
13:29<onryo>thoreau, if you want to pimp the beans out of your desktop I put a video a few years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WnaZL3ARN0
13:29<espectalll[m]>Bertz: Hmm, let me check the log
13:29<ComradeRed>does someone know when there will be a package for the sway window manager?
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13:29<fLoo>im currently booting into the live-cd
13:30<fLoo>lets see
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13:30<espectalll[m]>OK I got it, it's the same file
13:30<espectalll[m]>`liblzo2-2-udeb_2.08-1.2+b2_amd64.udeb`
13:30<fLoo>working fine here
13:30<fLoo>no problems at all
13:30<onryo>thoreau, and yeah it is dark. But now I walk on the sunny side of the street with pink unicorns on my desktop.
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13:31<fLoo>https://img1.picload.org/image/riwlcrwa/live.png
13:31<fLoo>see
13:31<thoreau>Thank, onryo!
13:31<espectalll[m]>fLoo: Nope
13:31<espectalll[m]>that's not what I meant
13:31<onryo>thoreau, you like the way that tooks?
13:32<espectalll[m]>look back at my screenshots – they're from the graphical installer
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13:32<espectalll[m]>the thing that you choose there (?)
13:32<Bertz>fLoo: I tried both graphical and non-graphical installers
13:32<thoreau>onryo: Hahahahaha!
13:33<fLoo>espectalll[m]:gotcha, have the same error
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13:33<espectalll[m]>…broken builds
13:33<espectalll[m]>hooray~
13:33<fLoo>happens
13:33<fLoo>:<
13:33<thoreau>onryo: GUI at its finest, non-existing. XD
13:33<fLoo>espectalll[m]: i tried with text-based installer, same
13:34<fLoo>so its related to the installation-process itself
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13:35<Bertz>espectalll[m]: agreed
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13:35<user>hello
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13:36<onryo>thoreau, yeah was a while back. 2012 lol
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13:36<ComradeRed>does someone know when there will be a package for the sway window manager?
13:36<Guest2689>may i know what is this
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13:37<espectalll[m]>OK then, where do I go next?
13:37<Bertz>fLoo: you're using debian-live-9.0.0-amd64-gnome.iso for example? Strange that you get different results
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13:38<onryo>thoreau, I am too busy doing hit jobs for the Russians... you know like rigging elections and stuff
13:38<Bertz>fLoo: nvm missed your messages above
13:38<Bertz>fLoo: all on the same page. check!
13:39<fLoo>yep
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13:39<rustys>So did the russians actually hack the voting machines or is that just a meme?
13:39<fLoo>so bug confirmed
13:39<fLoo>someone pls file it
13:39<fLoo>:)
13:39*annadane glares
13:39<annadane>no being lazy!
13:40<mihi>ComradeRed, once somebody packages it. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=821397. According to its developer, pre 1.0 versions should not reach debian stable, but I guess it will take a while until next stable is released :D
13:40<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/821397 in wnpp (open): «RFP: sway -- i3-compatible window manager for Wayland»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-04-18; last modified: 2017-05-06.
13:40<espectalll[m]>fLoo: are bugs filled on `debian-installer`?
13:41<espectalll[m]>OK, gimme a sec, I don't have `reportbug` right now
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13:43<Bertz>espectalll[m]: Thanks for taking care of the paperwork
13:44<ComradeRed>is the packaging difficult'
13:44<ComradeRed>?
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13:44<espectalll[m]>Yes
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13:44<espectalll[m]>Debian packaging is hard
13:44<espectalll[m]>please get started by installing `packaging-tutorial`
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13:44<espectalll[m]>it has a PDF tutorial
13:44<Bertz>fLoo: thanks for verifying and helping out! Plus all the awesome tons of work you guys do on debian! Really appreciate it!
13:44<Hermi>Can someone help me? When I view fontawesome in gnome-font-viewer, it shows up and displays correctly. When I select the font in any gnome programm (e.g. gedit) it shows as the boxes with the hexvalues.
13:44<Hermi>I already rebuilt the font-cache and the font shows up in fc-list
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13:45<MTP>Am I allowed to ask possibly stupid questions here or is there a specifical place for that?
13:45<espectalll[m]>unless off-topic, I think so
13:46<jelly>!ask
13:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:46<MTP>I'm new to using linux and making a Rapberry Pi. One of the utilities I need has a requirement that is newer than the one listed in apt-get. When I try to use make and make install the newer package does not seem to overwrite the old one from apt-get
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13:47<MTP>I got the newer package from a git and used autotools to configure the new package
13:48<mihi>MTP, in general, if you compile from source and do not specify PREFIX, it will go to /usr/local; Debian package is in /usr
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13:48<satbyy>MTP: (1) apt-get remove the old one (2) use sudo checkinstall instead of 'make install' (3) possibly change the installtion prefix as needed (./configure --prefix=...)
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13:49<Bertz>fLoo: any chance of getting a note put up on https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ about this issue? I feel like it'll confuse a lot of new people who test debian for the first time with a Live CD, then have it fail at installing. Back to Ubuntu they will go!
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13:50<MTP>satbyy: If the package displays warnings on removal, is there a safer way to upgrade it?
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13:50<zoriab>ciao
13:51<satbyy>MTP: pastebin the warning
13:51<zoriab>???
13:51<zoriab>!help
13:51<yoyobunny>Hey guys. I'm about to upgrade to Stretch from Jessie. I've read the part in the release notes, but I'm really not confident about the process.
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13:52<MTP>I don't have access to the box right now. I'll try to check the prefix first as I feel that may be the problem
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13:53<zoriab>ciao
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13:53<zoriab>qualcno mi puo aiutare
13:53<yoyobunny>I've taken backups of /home, and the other ones mentioned there. Do I just CTRL+ALT+F1 and do an apt upgrade apt dist-upgrade?
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13:54<satbyy>!es
13:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
13:54<satbyy>zoriab: ^
13:54<zoriab>!it
13:54<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:57<debian4life>hello everybody
13:57<debian4life>i need help
13:57<sney>hi
13:57<sney>!ask
13:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:58<debian4life>with upgrading debian 8.8 (jessie) to debian 9.0 (stretch)
13:58<debian4life>if i type as root this: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
13:58<debian4life>that won't work.
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13:59<towo`>"won't work" is not an error message
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13:59<debian4life>i mean it does't work
13:59<sney>you need to tell us what happens
13:59<sney>we can't see your screen.
13:59<debian4life>i make screenshot :)
13:59<debian4life>1 moment please :)
14:00<espectalll[m]>debian4life: Hey, did you add the new repositories?
14:00<espectalll[m]>Please check https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process
14:00<debian4life>no esprectalll[m]
14:00<yoyobunny>Hey guys. I need help with understanding the upgrade process. I've read the part in release notes and made backups of those partitions mentioned.
14:01<debian4life>what are the new repositories and is their a change i will lose all my files ? like my movies and music and pictures ?
14:01<yoyobunny>Do I just CTRL+ALT+F1 and do an apt upgrade apt dist-upgrade?
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14:01<towo`>debian4life, what's the problem in reading the release notes?
14:02<towo`>same for yoyobunny
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14:02<debian4life>ok , i going to read the release notes.
14:02<yoyobunny>I mentioned I did read the upgrade from jessie part. Do I need to read the whole thing to understand the process?
14:05<yoyobunny>What I mainly need to know is, is it enough to take the mentioned backups and proceed with the upgrade from tty?
14:05<debian4life>the page: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process
14:05<debian4life>is not loading for me.........
14:05<debian4life>seems to be down.......
14:05<debian4life>strange.........
14:05<mihi>yoyobunny, it is described in that chapter 4.4. Basically, it is these two commands, but you should check the prerequisites first and also run it in "script" so you have a log in case anything breaks.
14:05<yoyobunny>Ah.
14:05<yoyobunny>Thanks.
14:05<yoyobunny>Brb.
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14:06<debian4life>ah it is online again that page
14:06<debian4life>maybe it was my VPN.
14:07<debian4life>no idea.
14:07<debian4life>but if i upgrade to debian 9.0 , is their a change that the entire operating system breaks ?
14:07<debian4life>i ask this because i have no external harddrive for my files at the moment
14:08<debian4life>if i had that i should put my files to a external hardrive and make a bootable usb stick with debian 9.0
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14:10<onryo>debian4life, never had a stable to stable Debian GNU/Linux beef out on me but ofc backup your data.
14:10<espectalll[m]>Sent the bug, waiting for it to be listed
14:11<debian4life>hmm ok onryo
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14:11<espectalll[m]>Let's hope I didn't make any typo or left anything undone
14:11<sney>debian4life: upgrades between stable releases are tested and considered to be safe. we can't guarantee every situation but you will probably be ok. however, 8.x is going to be supported for a while still, so if you want to wait until you have a backup location available that's fine
14:11<debian4life>then i wait with upgrading
14:11<debian4life>i buy tomorrow a external harddrive for my files.
14:12<debian4life>ok sney
14:12<debian4life>indeed.
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14:13<espectalll[m]>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=debian-installer#_0_1_4
14:13<espectalll[m]>Made a typo I guess?
14:13<onryo>debian4life, it all comes down to how important your stuff if. 1000 btc vs 1 porn pic on that drive is a big diff.
14:14<espectalll[m]>yes I made a bad typo
14:14<espectalll[m]>ugggggggggggh
14:14<debian4life>hmmm
14:14<debian4life>i have ALOT files onryo
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14:15<debian4life>ah a fresh netinstall .iso of debian 9.0 on a bootable usb stick and a backup of my files on a external harddrive is a good fresh start :)
14:15<sney>espectalll[m]: are you waiting for a bug to show up? sometimes it takes up to half an hour
14:15<espectalll[m]>No, it's already there
14:15<onryo>debian4life, I dd my entire drive to a big old ZFS NAS I got =)
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14:15<sney>well, as long as the report is understandable I'm sure it's ok
14:15<debian4life>never heard of ZFS onryo
14:16<adema>hi all
14:16<onryo>debian4life, it is a thingy
14:16<debian4life>ah :)
14:16<adema>i just upgraded to stretch and had to comment out "none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=131,devmode=664 0 0" from my /etc/fstab
14:17<adema>but i don't know the implication of commenting this line
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14:17<adema>can someone can explain me what is /proc/bus/usb ?
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14:19<espectalll[m]>Hmm, is it normal that a reply to a (new) bug report takes time to show up?
14:19<sney>espectalll[m]: yes, there's a lot of processing
14:20<espectalll[m]>…why is mail such a heavy-processing task?
14:20<espectalll[m]>*processing-heavy
14:20<sney>adema: /proc is an interface to hardware, it lets you control certain devices etc as if they were files. that fstab line looks like a workaround probably, though I don't know for what
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14:21<debian4life>ok i wait :P
14:21<sney>espectalll[m]: filtering and routing, and it's throttled to keep resource usage reasonable. debian mailservers see a LOT of traffic
14:21<debian4life>but what is new in debian 9.0 ?
14:21<espectalll[m]>Hmm, I get it
14:21<yoyobunny>So I've taken care of the stuff in https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ap-old-stuff.en.html#old-sources
14:21<espectalll[m]>debian4life: Quite a lot of technical stuff, mostly big updates
14:21<espectalll[m]>should work a lot better and provide quite some features to your desktop
14:21<debian4life>oh nice :)
14:21<debian4life>cannot wait
14:22<debian4life>but i never liked apt-get dist-upgrade
14:22<espectalll[m]>see https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/
14:22<debian4life>i must wait because this brand new laptop has no CD-ROM grrrrrrrrrrrr
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14:22<yoyobunny>"The distribution upgrade should be done either locally from a textmode virtual console" this is ctrl alt f1?
14:23<espectalll[m]>You can always burn an USB drive
14:23<debian4life>so i must find out if i can made a bootable usb stick by a friend who has windows 10
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14:23<debian4life>to make bootable usb stick
14:23<espectalll[m]>Which desktop do you use?
14:23<sney>yoyobunny: yes that will work
14:23<TobiX>adema: Very deprecated IIRC (AFAICS, it was removed in kernel 3.5)
14:23<espectalll[m]>You don't need Windows 10
14:23<debian4life>LXDE desktop.
14:23<adema>hum ok
14:23<debian4life>i know i HATE microsoft :P
14:24<debian4life>i only love debian and kali linux
14:24<sney>and yes you can create a bootable usb from any OS, not just windows (in fact windows often makes it harder) these instructions are in the install guide, and should also be in the release notes
14:24<adema>it was a line in inheritated from wheezy i guess
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14:24<espectalll[m]>debian4life: Ok, then you probably need to use `dd` on the terminal
14:24<espectalll[m]>for instance: `sudo dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4m`
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14:25<debian4life>yep the ''dd''
14:25<espectalll[m]>(is the `m` lower or uppercase on GNU?)
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14:26<TobiX>adema: Probably even older, Ubuntu disabled the kernel option in 2009
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14:26<adema>my laptop is not that old :]
14:27<yoyobunny>sney: So what do I do about the GUI running in ctrl alt 7?
14:27<yoyobunny>How do I stop it?
14:27<yoyobunny>Do I need to?
14:27<sney>moved a hard drive maybe? I had a SSD at one point that had been in 3 laptops. I still have it but it's too small
14:27<espectalll[m]>…I really hope the servers received my reply
14:27<sney>yoyobunny: you don't need to stop it, and you'll need to reboot as part of the upgrade anyway
14:27<sney>yoyobunny: if you want to, you can stop the gdm/sddm/etc service, but it's optional
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14:28<TobiX>adema: Well, debian supported that option longer ;)
14:28<yoyobunny>Ah. Thanks. I'll just put it out of my mind, then.
14:28<lindi->can you create debian installation usb drive without root privileges using udisks?
14:28<debian4life>guys
14:28<yoyobunny>I'm continuing with the release notes to make sure I don't miss anything. Brb. :)
14:28<debian4life>i still have the bootable usb stick with debian 8.8 (jessie)
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14:29<debian4life>if i make a backup of my files
14:29<debian4life>and put the usb stick with debian 8.8 jessie in my laptop
14:29<debian4life>after installation , do i have debian 9 ?
14:29<sney>no, you would have 8.8
14:29<debian4life>yep
14:30<debian4life>that is what i thought too
14:30<debian4life>because it is the .iso of debian 8
14:30<sney>you can overwrite that 8.8 installer with the 9.0 installer
14:30<debian4life>then i must wait :)
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14:31<yoyobunny>What do I do about backports? The backports website says I can just ignore and upgrade because - has higher priority than ~.
14:31<sney>yeah, and stretch-backports is empty right now anyway
14:32<yoyobunny>Ah.
14:32<yoyobunny>Thanks.
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14:32<yoyobunny>And now the biggest question mark of all. What do I do about third party packages?
14:32<yoyobunny>Release notes say "uninstall!".
14:32<yoyobunny>I have stuff like spotify and codeblocks installed.
14:33<sney>safest bet is to uninstall, and then install them again post upgrade if you still need them
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14:33<debian4life>guys
14:33<sney>for stuff that's packaged as a giant binary blob with no dependencies, you can kind of get away with leaving it, but it's still best to have a clean debian-only system during a major upgrade
14:33<lindi->Writing the installer using "disks" seems to work
14:34<debian4life>is their a website to buy a bootable usb stick with debian 9.0 ?
14:35<sney>debian4life: https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ but I doubt many are selling 9.0 stuff already
14:35<debian4life>hmm ok
14:35<debian4life>i ask this because my neighbors hate me :P
14:35<yoyobunny>How do I check dependencies of third party packages? apt-cache depends "package"?
14:35<debian4life>and they don't let me make a bootable usb stick on their computer / laptop
14:36<debian4life>i am sure :)
14:36<debian4life>no idea why they hate me............
14:36<debian4life>they say that linux is for cyber criminals haahahhaha
14:36<debian4life>and that i must only run windows 10
14:36<TobiX>adema: wheezy was probably the last Debian which has that file system (kernel 3.2) - it was deprecated then ;)
14:36<sney>yoyobunny: yes and rdepends to see what depends on it
14:36<debian4life>i run linux since 2012.
14:36<adema>ok then
14:37<adema>no problem removing it
14:37<TobiX>Old versions of VirtualBox needed it for USB forwarding...
14:37<debian4life>since two months i have debian back , the last two years i had Kali Linux as main operating system
14:38<sney>debian4life: it's weird that your neighbors would have such specific opinions on what you do with your computer, but ok. again, jessie is going to be supported for approximately 1 more year, so you have time to figure out your upgrade.
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14:38<debian4life>indeed sney :)
14:38<debian4life>i live in the netherlands
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14:38<debian4life>and here they are all windows 10 / microsoft / NSA idiots :P
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14:38<sney>also, #debian is not really a chat channel, so if you don't have a support issue right now, please go to #debian-offtopic or #moocows
14:39<debian4life>i feel somtimes like a alien with my Kali Linux t-shirt :P
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14:39<debian4life>on the beach in this hot summer :)
14:39<debian4life>haha :)
14:40<spider>i need to hack wifi password please can someone help me ?
14:40<lindi->http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/restore-usb-image1.webm seems to be an easy way to create usb installation media. any comments on that? shouldn't require root access, command-line usage or trying to read dmesg to find out the right device name
14:40<sney>spider: no
14:40<yoyobunny>sney how did you ping me when I was away? What command?
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14:41<debian4life>this laptop is brand new , i buyed it with pre-installed windows 10 for 550,- EURO.
14:41<sney>yoyobunny: most irc clients will alert when your nickname is the first thing in a line
14:41<debian4life>and microsoft does anything to block linux installs.
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14:41<yoyobunny>sney: I see. Did this work?
14:41<sney>debian4life: PLEASE go to #moocows or #debian-offtopic if you want to chat, this channel is for debian support ONLY, and a lot of people will be asking for help today so please be courteous to them. :)
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14:41<debian4life>but go to the BIOS in the laptop and put the secure boot keys on DISABLE.
14:41<sney>yoyobunny: yes
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14:42<debian4life>ok
14:42<debian4life>i understand sney
14:42<sney>thank you for understanding.
14:42<debian4life>no problem :)
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14:43<annadane>that's typically why you'll see people using people's names in irc
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14:43<sney>lindi-: cool! I didn't know about that utility.
14:43<annadane>yes, to know they're the ones being addressed, but it also lets them know there's a reply because the irc client alerts them
14:43<yoyobunny>Thanks.
14:44<lindi->sney: I use udisks all the time for accessing external media, I just didn't know it could also "restore images"
14:44<sney>I'm glad I know about it now, that makes some support easier. mind if I mirror this webm?
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14:45<lindi->sney: want to learn how to create webm screencasts yourself too? ;)
14:45<sney>I could probably figure it out, but you've already done the legwork with this one :P
14:45<lindi->sney: in the default gnome3 desktop you can just hit ctrl-alt-shift-R to start recording
14:46<sney>ah neat, I wonder if that works with kde too
14:46<sney>nope!
14:46<lindi->sney: and a timestamped file gets added to ~/Videos/
14:46<Hermi>Can someone help me? When I view fontawesome in gnome-font-viewer, it shows up and displays correctly. When I select the font in any gnome programm (e.g. gedit) it shows as the boxes with the hexvalues.
14:46<Hermi>I already updated fc-cache and it shows up
14:46<Hermi>after update to stretch
14:46<lindi->sney: it's part of the gnome3 shell I think, afaik it only saves frames when something changes on the screen
14:46<lindi->sney: so it's super efficient
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14:47<sney>lindi-: yeah, I think RDP works similarly. that's a cool feature
14:47<mdslektr>hi everyone!
14:48<mdslektr>Doing my backup and making me a cup of coffee for the installation :) really excited!
14:48<lindi->sney: but yeah, feel free to mirror if you don't want to create a competing video with kde
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14:49<mdslektr>someone have any thoughs on btrfs? im thinking of using it for my ssd.
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14:50<sney>mdslektr: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gotchas
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14:50<lindi->sney: or maybe I'll create one with better resolution
14:50<sney>I think it's roughly stable enough for daily use but I'm still nervous saying that
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14:53<Bertz>espectalll[m]: I see your bug's up now: #865015. Thanks again!
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14:53<Speed2u>are there any suggesions what to do before upgrading a lamp-box running jessie to stretch? i guess just changing the repos and doing apt-get dist-upgrade isn't the best practice for a production server? ;P
14:53<yoyobunny>There's a third party package called whatsie, that's not available for download anymore. But I don't have its deb, I deleted it. Is there any way to get it back?
14:54<yoyobunny>I mean recreate the deb, or find it in some secret folder.
14:55<mdslektr>sney: thanks. Im better of with ext4 then? thought that btrfs would be stable and more performant, but reading the link i saw some points that scared me :C
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14:56<yoyobunny>Nevermind. I found a backup repo on github.
14:57<sney>mdslektr: ext4 is still the recommended default.
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14:57<sney>I'm sure btrfs will get there eventually
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14:59<debian4life>where can i find the offical change log of debian 9.0 stretch ?
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15:00<yoyobunny>Are the folders mentioned in the release notes enough as a backup? I mean /home, some folders and files in /var, /etc, and the dpkg get selections output?
15:00<itd>Speed2u: Second machine that is not in "production"-mode where you can test the upgrade? ;)
15:01<sney>debian4life: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#newdistro
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15:01<debian4life>thank you sney
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15:01<sney>yoyobunny: generally yes, though everyone's system is different and if you're doing things like hosting databases etc then you should back those up too
15:01<Speed2u>maybe i just do a fresh install and reconfigures everything instead, i have planned to migrate from mysql to mariadb and make a public ssh server and stuff like that anyways, and it will not take that much of a time to configure a webserver. What version of apache and php is in stretch?
15:02<yoyobunny>sney: Nah. I'm a lay user. No issues there. xD
15:02<sney>Speed2u: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#newdistro
15:02<debian4life>\o/
15:03<debian4life>nice change log \o/
15:03<itd>Speed2u: /msg judd version php ; /msg judd version apache2
15:04<Speed2u>thx both sney and itd
15:05<mdslektr>sney: thank you! im gonna stick with it. Any recommendations on encryption? It's gonna slow down too much my daily usage?
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15:05<thoreau>Hi, I updated yesterday to Stretch. Now I opened gufw to find that my Firewall was turned off and my configurations disappeared.
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15:06<thoreau>When I try to create a new rule, say, "Allow In TCP Ports 80,433"
15:06<sney>mdslektr: most modern PCs can handle disk encryption just fine with no perceptible slowdown.
15:06<thoreau>I get this error message: "[06/18/2017 04:03:44 PM] Error running: /usr/sbin/ufw allow in proto tcp from any to any port 80,443 > WARN: /etc is world writable! | WARN: /etc is group writable! | WARN: /lib is world writable! | WARN: /lib is group writable! | WARN: /usr is world writable! | WARN: /usr is group writable! | "
15:07<sney>is /etc really world writable? that's ... bad
15:07<thoreau>I don't even know what that means.
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15:08<thoreau>Any user can modify and execute from my /etc/ folder?
15:08<sney>it refers to file/directory permissions. did you follow a howto at some point that told you to use chmod for something?
15:08<yoyobunny>OH OH OH I compiled GCC 7 and put it in /opt. Do I need to worry about it?
15:09<sney>yoyobunny: as long as it's outside the package manager it won't matter, though you may need to check your PATH variables after the upgrade
15:09<thoreau>Not at all. Just changed my sources to stretch and used apt dist-upgrade
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15:09<yoyobunny>Man, the biggest lesson of my life 2 years after I installed Jessie: make a frickin note file tracking all my changes to the OS>
15:09<yoyobunny>>(
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15:09<sney>thoreau: what's the output of 'ls -ld /etc'
15:10<yoyobunny>I didn't touch the path variables. I only pointed codeblocks at my GCC. So I hope that's not an issue?
15:10<mdslektr>sney: nice! i'm gonna try it :) still backing up
15:11<sney>yoyobunny: the only thing that's going to be affected during the upgrade is things controlled by apt/dpkg
15:13<yoyobunny>Ah.... I was hoping some of my stupid config changes would get undone by the upgrade, like how aptitude tells you on a program update like pulseaudio "you've changed the config file, do you want to restore the original?"
15:13<sney>yes debconf will ask about those
15:13<debian4life>dpkg : tell what client-to-client-protocol is
15:13<yoyobunny>Thank god.
15:13<debian4life>fucking anonops.com
15:14<debian4life>has banned me forevetr
15:14<sney>debian4life: do you need a reminder about chatting
15:14<debian4life>* forever
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15:14<yoyobunny>I think I stupidly disabled ipv6 copy pasting some random command from the net. My bad.
15:14<sney>ipv6 lives at the kernel level so if you really _disabled_ it that would be in your grub config
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15:14<yoyobunny>Holy shit.
15:15<yoyobunny>How can I check?
15:15<sney>(which debconf will ask you about during the upgrade)
15:15<yoyobunny>Oh.
15:15<yoyobunny>So, no worries?
15:15<thoreau>sney: "ls -ld /etc" returns "drwxrwxrwx 158 root root 12288 Jun 18 12:34 /etc"
15:15<lindi->thoreau: that looks very broken
15:15<sney>thoreau: agreed with lindi-, I recommend backing up your files and reinstalling, something crazy happened
15:16<lindi->thoreau: so broken that unless you can figure out what happened I'd recommend reinstalling
15:16<thoreau>O_O
15:16<thoreau>Jesus.
15:16<sney>don't follow stackexchange advice .jpg
15:16<yoyobunny>Seriously. I'm already nervous enough about this. thoreau's experience is scaring me more.
15:16<sney>system directories don't get 777'd by accident
15:17<sney>thoreau's jessie system was probably running like this for a while well before the upgrade
15:17<sney>normal upgrades will not do this
15:17<thoreau>Jesus, so I was owned and didn't even know it.
15:18<sney>one way or another, yes
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15:18<sney>but it was far more likely to be something that you did while following bad instructions, often changing file permissions to world-writable is a workaround done by people who don't understand permissions, and bad howtos all over the internet are written by people who don't understand permissions
15:19<sney>wetware hacks are the worst.
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15:19<yoyobunny>What about the third party packages that have a separate repo in the sources list? Like spotify and codeblocks? Should I uninstall them? They don't show up under "Old and obsolete packages" in aptitude.
15:19<sney>yoyobunny: comment out those repos and uninstall them, yes.
15:19<yoyobunny>Ah.
15:19<yoyobunny>Thanks.
15:20<sney>you can install them again later, and if the 3rd party devs were smart, your settings will be retained
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15:20<yoyobunny>I hope. Firefox is good at it. I hope Codeblocks will be too. Although I'm not worried. My c++ files are all in home.
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15:22<octalot>yoyobunny: re you having disabled ipv6, it might be something in /etc/sysctl.conf. By default, I think all the lines in there are just comments (lines starting with '#')
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15:22<yoyobunny>octalot: checking...
15:22<sney>official noipv6 is "add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader"
15:22<sney>but yeah I have heard sysctl can do it too
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15:23<yoyobunny>The only changes there are vm swappiness and vfs cache pressure, which I remember doing.
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15:24<yoyobunny>I vaguely recall some sed command regarding IPv6 disabling.
15:24<sney>sed is just a text editor. it likely edited /etc/default/grub or a file in /etc/grub.d/
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15:24<yoyobunny>So i check there. Brb.
15:26<yoyobunny>grub.d has some binaries.
15:26<yoyobunny>etc default grub is untouched.
15:27<grawity>first check whether it's actually disabled that way
15:27<grawity>by reading /proc/cmdline
15:27<yoyobunny>Now I'm thinking I followed some commands to disable IPv6, but it didn't actually work.
15:27<yoyobunny>Yes. Lemme see.
15:28<grawity>if it does not mention ipv6, don't even waste time with grub configs
15:28<yoyobunny>There's just a BOOT_IMAGE= something there.
15:28<yoyobunny>I did cat /proc/cmdline
15:28<grawity>>_<
15:28<grawity>what precisely is that "something"
15:29<yoyobunny>:O
15:29<yoyobunny>Oh.
15:29<yoyobunny>"/boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 root=UUID=b1d5dbe2-cf60-477c-9633-4be738b14e4e ro quiet"
15:29<yoyobunny>So no IPv6 issues, I guess>
15:29<yoyobunny>*?
15:29<grawity>nope
15:30<grawity>also that's not a "BOOT_IMAGE= something", that'
15:30<grawity>that's four separate parameters
15:30<yoyobunny>Thanks. I get relieved by the second.
15:30<grawity>but anyway, no ipv6
15:30<yoyobunny>Phew.
15:30<grawity>actually, check whether you have link-local addresses in `ip -6 addr`
15:31<yoyobunny>Do I paste the output again?
15:31<grawity>no, just look if it lists any inet6 lines
15:31<grawity>e.g. ::1/128 under lo
15:31<yoyobunny>Yup
15:32<yoyobunny>Also under wlan0
15:32<grawity>then IPv6 isn't really disabled
15:32<yoyobunny>Ah.
15:32<yoyobunny>I see.
15:32<yoyobunny>Thanks. I'll continue with the release notes.
15:33<grawity>not completely at OS level, at least
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15:33<yoyobunny>:(
15:33<yoyobunny>Oh.
15:33<grawity>which is probably enough "not disabled" for everything to work fine
15:34<yoyobunny>This thing. This unsafe looking thing. "# mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint"
15:34<yoyobunny>I do this in tty1?
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15:34<yoyobunny>"# mount -o remount,rw /"
15:34<yoyobunny>Right?
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15:35<takemori>has anyone tried to install nvidia drivers on Debian 9?
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15:36<amacater>Yes
15:36<takemori>apt install nvidia-driver complains about dependencies for me
15:36<amacater>Have you updated fully
15:36<takemori>i just installed from the netinstall disc
15:37<towo`>takemori, and pastebin the full output
15:38<amacater>Are the free drivers working?
15:39<amacater>If all else fails, I've found it good to install a base system first _without_ installing X or any windowing system. At that point, to install non-free firmware drivers and the nvidia-driver package
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15:40<amacater>Then use tasksel to install window manager of choice, which should pick up the Nvidia drivers you just installed
15:40<takemori>nouveau is working right now
15:40<takemori>https://pastebin.com/6kKE33V4
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15:41<towo`>takemori, pastebin your sources.list
15:42<takemori>https://pastebin.com/AdBPScAD
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15:42<towo`>takemori, add contrib to the main repos
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15:43<filippo_80_7>Hi all, I had just upgraded to debian 9 from debian 8 ... I have a problem with dovecot. It seem it's broken 'cause it report a lot o segfaults (kernel: [ 1373.028834] imap[4482]: segfault at 88 ip 00007f773b189e80 sp 00007ffdeb937648 error 4 in libdovecot-storage.so.0.0.0[7f773b141000+12c000])
15:43<takemori>oh
15:43<takemori>that seems to be it
15:43<takemori>nvidia now lets me install
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15:46<ach>hi
15:47<Dark-Jedi>ach: hi
15:47<lindi->filippo_80_7: sources.list? debsums? apt-show-versions|grep -v uptodate?
15:48<filippo_80_7>lindi-: ooops ... :-) just a second !!
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15:49<takemori>well, it is installed and works. thanks guys
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15:52<filippo_80_7>lindi-: https://paste.debian.net/972055/
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15:54<lindi->filippo_80_7: you seem to still have some old debian 8 libraries installed
15:55<filippo_80_7>lindi-: ... i followed the debian manual to update ... how can i fix it ?
15:55<lindi->filippo_80_7: I don't know if this is causing your problems but you should consider removing those libraries unless you are using them
15:56<filippo_80_7>lindi-: aptitude purge ???
15:56<lindi->filippo_80_7: "4.7.1. Purging removed packages" -- https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
15:56<lindi->filippo_80_7: or hmm, not just this
15:57<toad_>where is the X log written to for the login screen?
15:57<towo`>toad_, if you use gdm, in your home
15:57<toad_>whose home? I haven't logged in yet!
15:58<toad_>this is the login screen
15:58<lindi->filippo_80_7: you can remove those packages with just apt-get remove I guess?
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15:58<filippo_80_7>lindi-: too late ... i'm "apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }')"ing
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15:59<lindi->filippo_80_7: yep but that doesn't really help remove those packages
15:59<lindi->filippo_80_7: it just purges those that were already removed
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16:00<toad_>/var/log/gdm3 is empty
16:00<filippo_80_7>lindi-: ok ... so it's better to apt-get remove one-by-one
16:00<lindi->filippo_80_7: hmm? you really should know what you are doing first :)
16:01<toad_>at the login screen the mouse "sticks" every so often ... I'm trying to find the X.org log file so I can see if there's any error messages
16:02<toad_>I guess I should just install the proprietary drivers, but it's so nice to have it actually render correctly on nouveau :|
16:02<towo`>toad_, there are 2 places, where a x-log is written
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16:03<mdslektr>ready to install! wish me luck :)
16:03<filippo_80_7>lindi-: i'm removing php5 for sure ... even if this desn't solve problems with dovecot
16:03<towo`>toad_, /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
16:04<toad_>no it's not
16:04<toad_>Xorg.0.log was last updated long before i rebooted
16:05<toad_>it's now 21:04, i have uptime of 12 minutes, the timestamp on Xorg.0.log is 17:27
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16:05<toad_>so apparently it isn't written to anywhere
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16:06<toad_>and now i'm getting unknown NMI's ... I wonder if that could explain the mouse jerkiness
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16:12<toad_>unknown NMI exactly every 30 seconds on the guest VM ... hmmm, this is highly suspicious...
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16:12<fLoo>heya
16:12<fLoo>=)
16:12<toad_>seems unlikely to be actual hardware
16:13<toad_>and of course this is a brand new bug in stretch ... none of the very few google/stack exchange hits seem relevant
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16:19<toad_>switching to the old kernel makes it flash all the time ... :(
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16:20<toad_>I guess I need to recover it and then try the proprietary drivers...
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16:20<toad_>doesn't make sense - i thought dkms built kernel modules for everything? I guess nouveau just uses the prebuilt module so it's not rebuilt...
16:21<towo`>nouveau is not an out of tree module
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16:21<towo`>so dkms has nothing to do with nouveau
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16:30<DeViL-CHaoS>hello
16:30<sney>hi
16:31<DeViL-CHaoS>i have install Nvidia Drivers un debían 9
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16:31<DeViL-CHaoS>and now when i start, i get an error message
16:32<DeViL-CHaoS>failed ti start load kernel modules
16:32<yoyobunny>Hey guys. What about Firefox ESR?
16:32<sney>,v firefox-esr
16:32<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; buster: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.2.0esr-1
16:32<sney>yoyobunny: what about it?
16:32<yoyobunny>I had the latest one from mozilla.debian.net, then they stopped updated after 52 because of rust dependency.
16:33<sney>52.2 seems to be the latest anywhere in debian
16:33<yoyobunny>So now I'm with deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr
16:33<DeViL-CHaoS>and It load deskopt and get cold
16:33<yoyobunny>In my sources list.
16:33<DeViL-CHaoS>what could i do?
16:33<sney>DeViL-CHaoS: do you have any more details? what gpu is it? do you have the full error message?
16:34<sney>yoyobunny: jessie sources are not relevant on a stretch system, but you should have 52.2 from stretch-security
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16:34<DeViL-CHaoS>how i look muy GPU?
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16:34<sney>lspci -nn |grep -i vga
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16:34<yoyobunny>sney: Do I just comment out the line? Do I also uninstall firefox esr?
16:35<sney>yoyobunny: remove the line, and you don't need to uninstall anything, 52.2 will upgrade whatever you have currently
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16:35<yoyobunny>Alright. Thanks.
16:35<sney>make sure you have deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main in your sources.list
16:36<yoyobunny>Yeah, right now I'm just commenting out third party repos and uninstalling the packages.
16:36<yoyobunny>After I'm done with all the prep, only then will I finally change my sources to stretch.
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16:37<yoyobunny>Do I comment out backports?
16:37<yoyobunny>Jessie-backports.
16:38<DeViL-CHaoS>Nvidia corporation nv17 geforce4 MX 440 rev A3 sney
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16:38<DeViL-CHaoS>http://picpaste.com/IMG_20170618_223552-6Pfu7gXp.jpg there You can ser the error sney
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16:40<DeViL-CHaoS>what should i do?
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16:41<towo`>DeViL-CHaoS, nvidia blob installed?
16:41<towo`>DeViL-CHaoS, eg dpkg -l | grep nvidia shows anything?
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16:42<DeViL-CHaoS>i have used:
16:43<DeViL-CHaoS>i can't start now
16:43<DeViL-CHaoS>i get the error and when It load desktop get stopped
16:43<towo`>that is not tha answer to my question
16:43<DeViL-CHaoS>i can't ser tour command
16:44<piper>DeViL-CHaoS: you can't see dpkg -l | grep nvidia ?
16:44<towo`>does ctrl + alt + F2 give a console to you?
16:44<DeViL-CHaoS>yes show something
16:45<DeViL-CHaoS>Noe i am un recovery mode
16:45<towo`>DeViL-CHaoS, apt purge $(dpkg -l| awk '/nvidia/{ print $2 }')
16:46<towo`>DeViL-CHaoS, remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf and/or any file in /etc/X!!/xorg.conf.d/ if it exist
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16:47<DeViL-CHaoS>this no males nothing
16:47<DeViL-CHaoS>makes
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16:47<DeViL-CHaoS>saludos its no found pakage with mame awk
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16:48<DeViL-CHaoS>can You reparar the command?
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16:48<DeViL-CHaoS>perhaps i have no putada good backspaces
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16:49<piper>DeViL-CHaoS: try this, basically the same apt purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/nvidia/{ print $2 }') && rm -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
16:50<piper>if you used xorg.conf use that instead but xorg.conf has been gone for years
16:51<DeViL-CHaoS>thanks piper
16:51<DeViL-CHaoS>It works good
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16:51<DeViL-CHaoS>It os interesa progresa oficina uninstall
16:52<piper>DeViL-CHaoS: english please
16:52<DeViL-CHaoS>sorry corrector
16:52<DeViL-CHaoS>It is in progress of uninstall
16:52<DeViL-CHaoS>ok It is finished
16:52<DeViL-CHaoS>and now what?
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16:53<DeViL-CHaoS>i reboot?
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16:54<DeViL-CHaoS>Now i have yo install something more?
16:54<piper>DeViL-CHaoS: yes
16:54<piper>reboot
16:54<DeViL-CHaoS>ok i reboot
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16:56<DeViL-CHaoS>ok It works good, thanks!
16:56<DeViL-CHaoS>bit Noe i have installed Nvidia Drivers?
16:56<piper>DeViL-CHaoS: i would like to know how you installed nvidia drivers to begin with
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16:57<towo`>DeViL-CHaoS, you don't need any nvidia drivers for that ancient card
16:57<DeViL-CHaoS>yes i have write that command: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
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16:58<towo`>and that was absolute wrong for that stone old card
16:58<piper>DeViL-CHaoS: what towo` says
16:58<DeViL-CHaoS>aha
16:58<DeViL-CHaoS>and which command should i write?
16:58<towo`>none
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16:59<towo`>DeViL-CHaoS, there is no blob anymore for that old card
16:59<DeViL-CHaoS>i have tryed yo install Drivers because sometimes muy computer get cold and stopped
17:00<towo`>buy recent hardware
17:00<DeViL-CHaoS>and i don't know why
17:00<piper>DeViL-CHaoS: nothing, and towo` is a kernel & nvidia master back in 2009 people used legacy 304 for that card
17:00<towo`>or buy a cheap radeon card
17:00<fLoo>has the live-cd gnome bug been fixed already ?
17:00<towo`>piper, no, it would be 96.xx.xx
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17:01<DeViL-CHaoS>and why do You think sometimes computer get stopped?
17:01<towo`>piper 304.xx is for geforce 5 and ownwards
17:01<itd>fLoo: Do you have a bug number? Can you describe the issue?
17:01<towo`>DeViL-CHaoS, who should know without a crystalball?
17:01<DeViL-CHaoS>hehehe
17:02<DeViL-CHaoS>i have think was Drivers problem
17:02<towo`>DeViL-CHaoS, if it happen, chech the relevant logs
17:02<towo`>sure it could be a driver problem
17:02<towo`>but since only you seat in front of that computer, only you can check
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17:03<DeViL-CHaoS>yes, bit o don't know how jeje i am new
17:03<piper>towo`: lol, yeah reading about that now, forgot about the 96.xx.xx my bad
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17:04<piper>nouveau would be perfect for that card
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17:05<DeViL-CHaoS>okk thanks You for all
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17:05<towo`>this card is old, so it could be even an electrical problem or a thermal problem
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17:05<Hermi>After the upgrade to stretch I have the following problem: When I view fontawesome in gnome-font-viewer or charactermap, it shows up. When I select the font in any gnome programm (e.g. gedit) and copy-paste a character from the cheat sheet (http://fontawesome.io/cheatsheet/) it shows some weird other character, or the box with the hexvalue in it. fc-list does show it installed, and I updated the fc-cache
17:05<itd>fLoo: If you're talking about bug #865015, no.
17:05<DeViL-CHaoS>yes probable thermal, its so hot
17:06<DeViL-CHaoS>thanks You for all todo piper
17:06<DeViL-CHaoS>towo
17:06<piper>;)
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17:09<itd>Why is judd unable to find bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865015 ?
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17:10<itd>judd: bug 865015
17:10<judd>Sorry, the requested bug was not found.
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17:13<toad_>after upgrading to stretch i am about to throw my computer out of the window :)
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17:15<towo`>have fun
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18:31<patrickod>has anyone here experienced issues with the nvidia-kernel-dkms@375.66-2 and linux-image-4.9.0-3@4.9.30-2 where the nvidia-current-drm.ko module produced is an empty file? Not seeing anything too helpful on the bug tracker and wanted to check before filing an issue. Apologies if this isn't the correct channel in which to ask.
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18:32<keinek>hi
18:32<keinek>anybody knows why languaje selection fail when boot in UEFI?
18:33<annadane>patrickod, if you see nothing helpful on the bug tracker i would just go ahead and file a bug
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18:34<patrickod>annadane: *nod* this sounds like an nvidia-kernel-dkms issue more than linux-image ? (just double-checking my reasoning before potentially filing a not so great report)
18:34<patrickod>given that at kernal 4.9.0-2 it works fine
18:34<annadane>i have no idea. someone else can probably answer that
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18:50<debuser135>hi everyone thank you for debian stretch. the problem i have is that my vpn software used to work in debian jessie but in debian stretch, no icon appears in my system tray when i launch my PIA vpn client from the menu (i installed it and it appears in the menu but doesn't actually launch)
18:51<sidetracking>how do i upgrade to stretch?
18:51<debuser135>this is the page which says it supports debian https://helpdesk.privateinternetaccess.com/hc/en-us/articles/219438217-Installing-the-PIA-App-on-Linux
18:52<sney>dpkg: tell sidetracking -about jessie->stretch
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18:53<sney>debuser135: it's likely that the pia people haven't upgraded their app for stretch yet. you should contact them for support, it may just be an openvpn wrapper that you can bypass and set up manually but you will need info from them to do so
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18:55<debuser135>sney, there is an openvpn method that doesn't require their program. i installed that too and it works. network-manager-openvpn package installed and shows my vpn servers, but when i connect to one it says connection successful but doesn't actually seem connected. i can't browse any site
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18:57<sney>can you ping the other side of the vpn connection? what does your routing table look like?
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19:00<debuser135>i dont know im pretty new tot his. well i will just not use it for now until they support stretch
19:00<debuser135>thanks
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19:00<gheorghe>i got stretch today, fresh install. vpn works for me, but i use gnome openconnect
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19:03<sney>I would imagine that your vpn provider has some basic troubleshooting tips, debuser135
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19:08-!-mode/#debian [+R] by dwfreed
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19:08<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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19:08<sney>yaaaaay
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19:08<bounce>slick
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19:08<yulax>sney: that was entirely unhelpful
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19:09<sney>sorry mom, I typed it before I thought about it
19:09<Wegge>Who is that guy?
19:09<Wegge>And would it be possible to ban the onion address, so we don't have to see this every week?
19:10<annadane>is that a new message from dpkg? can i just !ops?
19:11<sney>annadane: it's generally used for spam that doesn't highlight everyone, because all it does is highlight the ops, but it's not new.
19:11<annadane>sney, well, what i meant is does the command still work or was it changed
19:11<annadane>using !ops is shorter to type
19:11-!-mode/#debian [-R] by dwfreed
19:11<sney>oh, no you still have to cite a version
19:12<annadane>well, yes, !ops <reason>
19:12<sney>reason, yeah. man, my brain-to-fingers connect is not good right now
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19:12<sney>and I suppose it's not possible to have a serverside regex discard messages with '.onion/6697' in them, or they would have done that already
19:14<gheorghe>you can't just discard all messages. maybe somebody really wants to ask how to connect to onion irc :D
19:14<sney>questions don't usually have URIs in them
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19:15<Wegge>Isn't it always quicktalk.* ?
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19:15<sney>this batch is but sometimes it's a random string
19:15<annadane>or, i suppose, have the n word as a trigger
19:15<annadane>no one uses it in regular conversation
19:16<gheorghe>speaking of ... i am using this new irc client provided with deb 9 gnome --> polari... and i am confused why some channels are greyed out
19:16<bounce>that's an easy one
19:16<annadane>of course then they'd just change the word
19:16<sney>and anyone who does gets banned anyway. but yeah, if serverside filtering like that was possible I think you'd see it much more often
19:16<gheorghe>for example, on freenode i connected to openstack and ubuntu-server, but i can't connect to kali-linux. no ideea why
19:16<sney>gheorghe: it's probably a status indicator, maybe the channel is +m
19:16<sney>or +R, etc
19:17<gheorghe>+R means regg is required ?
19:17<sney>yes
19:18<gheorghe>i'll check after i get some sleep. btw congrats on stretch. i got steam games, chromecast, virt-manager, almost everthing plug and play. looks and feels great
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19:23<debuser135>anyone know why LXQT isn't an option in the debian installer?
19:23<debuser135>i see just lxde
19:24<debuser135>i know i can just install it later with apt but i assumed all DEs would be in the tasksel list
19:24<sney>likely due to popcon
19:25<sney>!popcon
19:25<dpkg>[popcon] the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
19:25<debuser135>yea maybe thats it
19:26<debuser135>although it is the netinstall so doesn't have any of the other packages loaded into it either
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19:27<sney>yes, but things aren't included in the installer menu if they have a low user count in any case
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19:28<debuser135>ok
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19:34<agaida>debuser135: i'm very happy to have LXQt in stable, but it might be a little bit early for isos - and it is maybe better that way, LXQt is still in rapid development
19:35<debuser135>agaida, are you involved with the project at all?
19:35<agaida>yes
19:35<debuser135>i really like it. thanks for your work
19:36<debuser135>i'm also glad to hear it is in active development
19:36<VampiricPadraig>Hey guys. I don't know if this is just an isolated case for myself, but after upgrading 3 servers to Debian 9 (from 8.8), AllowUsers flag in sshd_config only works with IP addresses and not hostnames. DNS is set to Google and doing `host domain.com` does return a valid entry.
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19:36<agaida>i really liked the idea right from the beginning with the merger of LXDE-Qt and Razor-Qt
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19:37<debuser135>agaida, do you think the version in stable is good enough to use for the next 2+ years until debian 10? i wouldn't get to see any of the benefits of that development until then, right?
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19:38<agaida>it is good for daily usage - we polished some things in the meantime, but i guess we will provide backports of the next release - i thing LXQt is fine for the next time
19:39<sney>VampiricPadraig: odd, anything in the changelog?
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19:40<debuser135>agaida, thanks, some backports would be nice so we get to enjoy some new bug fixes between now and next release
19:40<debuser135>i'm surprised debian got lxqt before even lubuntu switched to it
19:40<agaida>debuser135: the needed parts are in stretch - Qt 5.7.1 fit our needs for the next time, the needed KF5 parts are fine in stretch to - so i don't see any reasons not to backport LXQt with the upcoming release
19:41<agaida>thats easy
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19:41<debuser135>thats great
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19:41<agaida>thats easy - the lubuntu guys are debian downstream in that regard :P
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19:42<agaida>https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-lxqt-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org - and they take the most packages unchanged, with the next releasee the diff will become even smaller
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19:43<debuser135>i see
19:43<agaida>and this is no magic, i wear the LXQt release manager hat sometimes
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19:45<VampiricPadraig>sney: I can see that "Older ciphers and SSH1 protocol disabled in OpenSSH by default" but I highly doubt that is related. I cannot put my finger on it. Maybe something has went derp. I will keep an eye on it on the next couple of days.
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19:50<takemori>does debian 9 not have flash? I don't see it in non-free. I do see a freshplayer plugin, but that just complains about not having libpepflashplayer.so
19:56<sney>!pepper flash
19:56<dpkg>Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree Debian package can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser, ask me about <contrib>. https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
19:56<sney>hmm, I thought firefox dropped support but I guess it's still there. it would be in contrib, btw
19:57<rjsalts>I'm not sure the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package works at the moment
19:58<sney>or not... flash is supposed to be deprecated in general anyway
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19:58<debuser135>it looks like there is no flashplugin-nonfree package in debian stretch?
19:58<rjsalts>firefox and chrome haven't dropped flash support
19:58<debuser135>i see it for sid and jessie
19:58<debuser135>takemori, i noticed that too
19:59<babilen>docker.io is also missing
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20:00<rjsalts>probably because it had Grave functionality bugs that didn't get fixed before release
20:00<takemori>considering the pepperflash thing complains about *.so, does that mean I need to get it from chrome proper?
20:00<takemori>as that is the only other source of flash :(
20:00<debuser135>takemori, you could maybe install flash from unstable
20:00<debuser135>or download it directly from adobe.
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20:00<sney>if it's present in sid but not stretch it likely does not install or does not work
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20:01<debuser135>yea good point
20:01<rjsalts>takemori: chrome changed the way it fetches flash, it used to be distributed with the package, but now it's downloaded into the user's home directory when they start chrome
20:01<rjsalts>takemori: but if you go to Adobe's website there is downloads for firefox npapi
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20:03<rjsalts>takemori: and the ppapi url can be found, I just can't remember what it is
20:03<babilen>rjsalts: Well, it is most likely due to the containerd and runc dependencies
20:04<babilen>But it's normal for that to happen .. it'll just make life a bit harder for Debian without docker
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20:06<rjsalts>babilen: oh, I was referring to the flashplugin-nonfree package, not docker
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20:06<debuser135>rjsalts, do you know what directory to put the .so file downloaded from adobe?
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20:08<rjsalts>debuser135: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
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20:09<debuser135>thanks
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20:10<debuser135>by the way there isn't a "firefox" package in stretch. are we supposed to use an esr version?
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20:11<annadane>,v firefox
20:11<judd>Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 54.0-1; experimental: 55.0~b2-1
20:11<annadane>apparently so
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20:12<petn-randall>debuser135: yes, or you can get the newer packages from mozilla.debian.net.
20:12<debuser135>petn-randall, i looked there, and there isn't a release version for stretch
20:13<debuser135>"Sorry, this version is not available. "
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20:13<rjsalts>firefox-esr is the version you'd be expected to use on stable
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20:14<debuser135>i downloaded the current firefox from mozilla's website and it works. but as a result i don't have that directory you mentioned rjsalts
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20:14<debuser135>so i guess thats the only downside. but at least my firefox is current
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20:16<rjsalts>debuser135: There will be a plugins directory in their distribution
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20:20<debuser135>i found a directory with some other .so files and dropped it in there but it doesn't show up in my plugins list when i open firefox
20:22<agus>https://paste.ofcode.org/FewENSQ7vnSjsDVB5LrB75
20:22<cef>isn't there a user dir that you can drop plugins into? ie: under the users home dir?
20:23<agus>hi, any ideas with this error?
20:24<cef>agus: using stretch or jessie?
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20:25<debuser135>cef, there is a ~/.mozilla directory
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20:26<agus>jessie right now, but the same happend with stretch
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20:26<cef>agus: you might find you need firmware
20:27<cef>,v firmware-atheros
20:27<judd>Package: firmware-atheros on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20161130-3; buster/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3
20:27<agus>got it
20:27<cef>ok.. might unluckily be an unsupported card. :/
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20:27<agus>no, it's supported by ath5k module
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20:28<agus>really it was working, but i don't know why, now it's not
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20:29<agus>but i really don't know if it was working with ath5 or another module
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20:33<cef>maybe madwifi?
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20:33<cef>that said, it's not somehow disabled with a hardware/bios switch somehow?
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20:35<cef>I think I had one of those ath5k's in an old eee.. replaced it with an intel card cos it was really buggy.
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20:37<agus>it's a pci card is not disabled, i have not clue, and i don't touch anything ralated to the net till this problem starts
20:37<agus>i don't know wat is madwifi, now i going to search
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20:39<cef>no longer in stretch afaik. probably not in jessie either tbh.
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20:39<agus>ok, i see, i will try madwifi... nothing to lose
20:39<kanobe>Hey all. I installed Jessie root on ZFS
20:40<kanobe>Following the instructions on the wiki page
20:40<kanobe>Everything was fine
20:40<kanobe>However I just tried installing an unrelated package and noticed that it uninstalled the zfs kernel modules for some reason
20:40<kanobe>My scrollback doesn't go far enough back to see why
20:41<kanobe>Anyhow I'm trying to install the zfs modules again but now have a dependency issue
20:41<rjsalts>debuser135: I'd imagine the plugins directory would be empty, but as cef said, I think there is also a place you can put plugins under .mozilla/firefox in your home directory
20:42<kanobe>Basically it looks like this:
20:42<kanobe>libc6-dev : Depends: linux-libc-dev (>= 4.9.25-1) but 4.9.25-1~bpo8+1 is to be installed
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20:42<kanobe>But isn't 4.9.25-1~bpo8+1 >= 4.9.25-1 ?
20:42<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell kanobe about bat
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20:43<cef>kanobe: no. backports always work out to be lower versions. do you have the wiki page you're referencing?
20:43<kanobe>Wiki page is here: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Debian-Jessie-Root-on-ZFS
20:43<kanobe>jmcnaught: Will get that info
20:43<jmcnaught>kanobe: if you provide that info in a paste it'll be easier to help you. Also take a look at /var/log/{apt,dpkg} for stuff that you cannot backscroll to see
20:45<onryo>hmmm, is there an issue with the installer? Getting a red screen that says Debootstrap warning Couldn't download package libtext-iconv-perl (ver 1.7-5+b4 arch amd64)
20:45<kanobe>jmcnaught: Thanks! Here is the paste: http://paste.debian.net/972110
20:45<onryo>Fresh install and been doing this for a hella lot of years. Never seen that.
20:46<kanobe>cef: Hmm, ok so is there a way I can force it to get libc-dev from the backports? I thought I was doing that with:
20:46<kanobe>sudo apt install -t jessie-backports libc-dev
20:46<jmcnaught>kanobe: you're using a mix of testing (buster) and jessie?
20:46<debuser135>rjsalts, i decided to just use esr
20:47<debuser135>then putting the file in the directory you gave me earlier worked
20:47<kanobe>jmcnaught: Herm, I am not sure. I am using jessie-backports for the zfs stuff
20:47<kanobe>Does jessie-backports count as testing?
20:47<jmcnaught>no
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20:47<kanobe>Hmm for some reason I do have testing in my apt sources.
20:48<jmcnaught>which until yesterday was stretch, but is now buster
20:48<kanobe>Ah, that wiki page for ZFS did that.
20:48<kanobe>Oh
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20:48<kanobe>It changed yesterday?
20:48<kanobe>Damn that might be the problem
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20:49<kanobe>So can I change my "testing" line in apt sources to be stretch instead of buster? i.e. change from:
20:49<kanobe>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib
20:49<kanobe>to
20:49<kanobe>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib
20:49<kanobe>?
20:49<jmcnaught>i would just install stretch, and ignore the parts of the instructions about testing and backports
20:49<cef>kanobe: and update the pinning file as well
20:49<jmcnaught>,v zfs-dkms
20:49<judd>Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-2~bpo8+1; buster/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5
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20:50<jmcnaught>see, if you use stretch, which is the new stable release, then you can simply install zfs from the packages in contrib
20:50<rjsalts>putting stable/testing in your sources.list can lead to unwelcome surprises around the time a new release comes out
20:50<jmcnaught>no need for pinning nonsense
20:51<kanobe>right, good point
20:51<kanobe>Ok so to proceed, should I just replace all my apt sources lines with stretch
20:51<kanobe>And then do an apt-get dist-upgrade or something?
20:51<cef>,v grub-pc
20:51<judd>Package: grub-pc on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1.99-27+deb7u3; wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u3; jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; stretch: 2.02~beta3-5; sid: 2.02~beta3-5; buster: 2.02~beta3-5
20:51<jmcnaught>and consult the stretch release notes for the upgrade instructions
20:52<kanobe>cef: You mentioned a pinning file...where is that?
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20:52<cef>ok, the reason that had it pulling stuff in from testing (aka stretch) was for that later version of grub-pc.
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20:53<cef>kanobe: /etc/apt/preferences - in the wiki page it's down at 4.4
20:53<onryo>Getting a red screen that says Debootstrap warning Couldn't download package libtext-iconv-perl (ver 1.7-5+b4 arch amd64) during the install of base using the non-graphic installer.
20:53<onryo>anybody else seen this?
20:54<jmcnaught>you're using the brand new stretch installer?
20:54<onryo>yeah
20:54<kanobe>cef: jmcnaught: Thanks a bunch guys! I'll try this out
20:54<kanobe>Very much appreciated
20:54<onryo>jmcnaught, is there any issue with it?
20:54<jmcnaught>not that i know of, i asked because you didn't say ☺
20:55<onryo>jmcnaught, brand new 2x xenon server with 512GB ECC
20:55<cef>kanobe: the only thing they're pulling from stretch (listed as testing in their wiki) is for grub-pc or grub-efi-amd64
20:56<kanobe>cef: Ah ok
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20:57<onryo>jmcnaught, thing that got my eye was "download". This is not a netinstall.
20:59<kanobe>Ok. Here's hoping there's no power outage.
20:59<kanobe>They were calling for thunderstorms tonight.
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21:01<judd>No package named 'libtext=iconv-perl' was found in amd64.
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21:01<judd>Package: libtext-iconv-perl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.7-5; jessie: 1.7-5+b2; sid: 1.7-5+b4; buster: 1.7-5+b4; stretch: 1.7-5+b4
21:01<cef>wonder if it somehow got dropped from the image. hrmm
21:02<onryo>the cpus are Xeon E7-8890v4 kinda new. Not a support issue with Debian...nah?
21:02<onryo>...ofc not
21:03<cef>onryo: if you can get a shell in the installer you might go poking around and see if the pkg is there.. otherwise I'm not sure what else to suggest at the moment
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21:04<cef>onryo: what media you installing from?
21:04<onryo>cef, yeah a usb...
21:05<cef>onryo: unlikely to be a bad read then. hrmmm
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21:05<jmcnaught>how did you copy the image to usb?
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21:06<onryo>jmcnaught, ... but... yeah bs=1M maybe that was a little big
21:06<jmcnaught>to the device or to a partition? what was the exact command?
21:06<onryo>lol the part ofc
21:07<onryo>like /dev/sda
21:07<onryo>mean the device..he
21:07<jmcnaught>pro-tip, you don't need to use dd. the install manual for debian actually says to use cp which has simpler syntax
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21:08<jmcnaught>try another usb stick?
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21:08<onryo>jmcnaught, yeah I am going to do that now. When I think about it that usb is not the best on earth
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21:10<onryo>jmcnaught, so what is this voodoo about cp to make a usb? I just did dd if=debian_poofie.iso of=/dev/sda bs=1M
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21:11<jmcnaught>it's not voodoo it's the documented way to prepare USB install media: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
21:11<onryo>and yeah it is not called debian_poofie just forgot the full name. The hash was fine on the img though.
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21:13<cef>onryo: which iso are you using btw?
21:13<onryo>jmcnaught, the xfce.iso for amd64
21:13<cef>onryo: the DVD one or CD?
21:14<jmcnaught>on a server?
21:15<onryo>jmcnaught, Let me look .. was this one https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
21:15<onryo>jmcnaught, yeah but not the kind of server you are thinking about
21:15<onryo>jmcnaught, this is going to be using VFIO very extensively.
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21:17<onryo>jmcnaught, to pass a ton of hw. I also ported a hella lot of RedHat code to debian for QEMU. https://github.com/adlererik/qemu-virgl/releases
21:17<onryo>jmcnaught, since we need OpenGL acceleration for some of the VMs. Hence the 512GB of RAM
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21:18<cef>onryo: there's been a few people say that some installs the installer doesn't realise it's running off a usb drive, and you need to use the shell to mount the drive partition (eg: /dev/sdb1) at /cdrom
21:18<cef>onryo: no idea if that's related to your problem though.
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21:19<onryo>cef, it could be. Being 3:20am and just wanting to get this over with started to whine over here first ...lol. Ill look into it in detail soon after a cup of coffee =)
21:19<cef>onryo: :D
21:20<jmcnaught>onryo: cool sounds interesting i haven't tried virgl yet but i do use vfio for a windows gaming vm
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21:22<onryo>jmcnaught, you can look over at my repos. I ported and everything you need to get virgl running on Debian. Also made releases.
21:22<onryo>https://github.com/adlererik
21:22<jmcnaught>yeah i was just looking
21:24<onryo>I tried to get it into stretch but the code was not tested enough for QEMU. Been using this for the past 6 months. Kinda neat to be able to dump vmware and play game etc...
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21:26<onryo>jmcnaught, https://github.com/adlererik/qemu-virgl/releases
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21:28<cbpudding>Good evening everyone, I'm having a bit of trouble installing Debian 9 on an HP ProLiant ML370. The OS doesn't even boot, it just causes a kernel panic while trying to. I found a page on the Debian wiki and it seems like I'm not the only one having this issue with the series. If you have any suggestions that'd be great. Thanks in advance. ~cbpudding
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21:30<sney>cbpudding: can you provide some more details? there are a lot of generations of ml370, so hardware specifics for non-hp-experts might be of use.
21:31<sney>and is that boot failure the installer, or the OS itself after a successful install?
21:34<cbpudding>The server has 6 HDDs(3 300GB, 3 ~72GB) and it uses RAID(not sure what version). The installer fails while trying to load. I have also attempted using the live version with no luck. I am currently booting off of a USB drive. GRUB seems to load fine.
21:35<sney>ok, you may be able to do a minimal install using the oldstable (8.8) installer and then upgrade in place
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21:36<cbpudding>Do you know where I can obtain a copy of 8.8? I have an 8.8 copy but it's 64-bit instead of 32.
21:37<sney>you need 32-bit?
21:37<sney>well, this should work for either 32 or 64: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/archive/8.8.0+nonfree/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-8.8.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
21:37<cbpudding>Not sure, I'm using 32-bit just to be safe. I doubt that this hardware(2006) is able to use 64-bit as my father has attempted to install Windows Server 2012.
21:38<sney>(linked the firmware-included iso because I know server vendors love bnx nics, and those require blobs to work)
21:38<debiantu> Read in the documentation for Stretch and it says that it's to use nftables for the firewall.. but it's not installed by default but iptables is installed.. So can I use iptables instead.. along with gufw?
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21:40<sney>debiantu: nftables is meant to replace iptables going forward, but you can still use iptables if it's present
21:40<debiantu>much appreciated!
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22:01<cbpudding>sney: Thank you so much, using 8.8 allowed me to boot into the installer and successfully install Debian with no issues. I'll just have to do the config in the morning. It seems like Debian 9 broke something that the server needed to run.
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22:02<sney>cbpudding: it may have just been an installer issue, and it's still recommended that you upgrade to 9 now that the system is installed, as 8.x will not be supported for more than about a year
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22:02<keinek>hi
22:02<cbpudding>I'll have to do it in the morning as it's late. Thank you for your help.
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22:03<sney>np
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22:04*sney gingerly upgrades his 9-year-old home server
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22:04<annadane>god speed
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22:36<acald3ron>Any tutorial to active userdir in Debian 9.
22:37<rjsalts>acald3ron: userdir? for apache httpd?
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22:37<acald3ron>YES
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22:37<rjsalts>acald3ron: a2enmod userdir;systemctl restart apache2
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22:41<rjsalts>acald3ron: then have your users create a public_html directory where the www-data user is able to execute and/or read the directory
22:41<acald3ron>what about php
22:41<rjsalts>acald3ron: actually, you require execute
22:42<rjsalts>acald3ron: how're you doing php?
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22:45<rjsalts>acald3ron: cgi? mod_php? fastcgi?
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22:47<acald3ron>just basic php
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22:48<rjsalts>acald3ron: they all provided basic php, they're different ways of executing it
22:49<acald3ron>i just do apt-get install php
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22:51<rjsalts>acald3ron: do you care about the users executing things as www-data?
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22:56<rjsalts>acald3ron: if not then install libapache2-mod-php7.0 and then comment the section in /etc/apache2/mods-available/php7.0.conf as instructed
22:56<rjsalts>acald3ron: it will make malicious scripts harder to track down
22:57<rjsalts>acald3ron: and probably gives them more opportunity to change things outside that user's control
22:58<acald3ron>ok
23:00<rjsalts>acald3ron: if you want to lock things down so that php will be done as the user in question then maybe choose cgi or fpm
23:01<rjsalts>acald3ron: install php-cgi, a2enconf php7.0-cgi
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23:02<rjsalts>acald3ron: and then there is some messing around with suexec
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23:03<acald3ron>In debian Jessie was easy.
23:04<rjsalts>it hasn't changed afaik
23:07<rjsalts>acald3ron: unless you were using https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libapache2-mod-fastcgi, and php-fpm. In which case you should change to proxy_fcgid
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23:33<annadane>question about cloning my system with aptitude clone, putting it onto a vm. what do i do with package_list? how do i transfer it over or get the vm to use it? vm in question is virt-manager, QEMU/KVM
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23:38<rsmith>aptitude clone?
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23:43<rsmith>dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections isn't what you want? https://wiki.debian.org/ListInstalledPackages
23:43*dpkg selects rsmith's family photos collection
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23:46<jmcnaught>!aptitude clone
23:46<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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23:50<jmcnaught>annadane: i usually use ssh to communicate between host and guests. you could use sftp to copy the package list, then use the command in the factoid ^^
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