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00:15<rjsalts>If I wanted to grab tomcat8 from snapshot.debian.org and run it on stretch should I recompile from source?
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00:17<rjsalts>Or should I take the debian patches from from 8.0.39 and try to apply them to upstream 8.0.44?
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00:18<rjsalts>There don't seem to be any CVEs fixed since 8.0.39 though
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00:38<annadane>this is frustrating me, i think i'll elect to take a hammer to my pc instead
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01:11<likcoras>Hi, my backlight stopped working after I upgraded to stretch. I have intel graphics cards, and setting brightness through /sys/class/backlight/intel-backlight works just fine, but xbacklight errors with the message "No outputs have backlight property". What should I do?
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01:16<dtw>likcoras, xbacklight stopped working on my Apple Macbook Air too. I did my own script that modifies a file in /sys/class/...
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01:17<likcoras>Huh.
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01:17<likcoras>I remember trying out stretch on this machine a while before it was released, and something along the lines of adding a file to xorg.conf.d to set driver "intel" worked back then, I think.
01:18<likcoras>It was defaulting to the modesetting driver, not sure why.
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01:21<fabfour>good morning everyone. i have a problem with apt. as soon as i try to install chromium apt wants to remove over 100 packages. among them gnome libreoffice and some other... any idea where to begin? thank you
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01:31<vvidic>got some issues after stretch upgrade
01:31<vvidic>gdm3 keeps restarting on boot so I'm unable to login
01:32<vvidic>xdm or startx does work
01:32<vvidic>another issue is with gpg-agent working as ssh-agent too
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01:33<vvidic>pinentry does not show up and all the keys are rejected
01:34<vvidic>any idea what could this be?
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02:09<Champers>morniks folks
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02:09<Champers>I see that damn spambot had revisited again
02:09<Champers>makes one wonder what their aim or intention is...
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02:12<dhanar_10>debian 9 live, i cannot install it on virtualbox - installer complaining about invalid cdrom. i tried i386 and amd64. is this a known issue?
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02:13<dhanar_10>entering live desktop install shortcut missing
02:13<Arcade>dhanar_10, yes its a bug
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02:14<dhanar_10>Arcade: so it is a known issue then. alright, i will wait until it is get fixed.
02:14<Arcade>might use the netinstaller or dvd if you want to
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02:15<dhanar_10>Arcade: sure
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02:19<Arcade>anyhow later - off to sleep
02:20<Champers>almost off to work here
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02:25<somiaj>dhanar_10: it is suggested you install debian via the offical installer (or boot the live image into the installer, installing from the live enviroment doesn't always work as well as other methods)
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02:27<yoyobunny>Hey guys, with your help yesterday, I think I'm now finished with the update preparation. Do I now go to the console, log in as a root user, and do upgrade and dist upgrade?
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02:31<yoyobunny>Anyone?
02:31<ozmage>hi
02:31<yoyobunny>Hey.
02:31<yoyobunny>So.
02:31<yoyobunny>Help?
02:33<annadane>yoyobunny, so if i recall correctly you needed to edit your sources file?
02:34<annadane>so if you've done that, log in as root (or sudo) and do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, and apt-get dist-upgrade
02:34<yoyobunny>Yes. I did that and went to sleep. Now I'll change every line to stretch.
02:34<yoyobunny>Ah.
02:34<yoyobunny>And what's the upgrade process like?
02:35<yoyobunny>What should I expect?
02:36<yoyobunny>Wait, I found a youtube video.
02:36<annadane>it's uh... well, for me it was relatively painless, just took a while. a good resource is https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/
02:36<annadane>(assuming you're on amd64)
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02:36<yoyobunny>Yes, I've finished reading that.
02:36<annadane>note that after dist-upgrade you should probably reboot
02:36<yoyobunny>For the new kernel.
02:36<yoyobunny>Yess.
02:36<annadane>though it's possible that even after upgrade and dist-upgrade not all packages are installed; you may need to do those a few times
02:37<yoyobunny>WAT
02:37<annadane>potentially apt-get fix-broken-install or whatever it was. just keep going until you have updated everything, then reboot
02:37<yoyobunny>So I repeatedly try upgrade and dist-upgrade with options?
02:37<yoyobunny>What about leaving them and installing them manually later?
02:38<yoyobunny>Wait.
02:38<annadane>apt will tell you if you need to do things like "fix broken install" but basically just apt-get upgrade until packages are upgraded; if it says "packages not upgraded" or "packages held back" then do dist-upgrade
02:38<yoyobunny>I've done dpkg --audit.
02:38<yoyobunny>It doesn't show anything.
02:38<yoyobunny>apt-forktracer has some backports.
02:38<annadane>and then at the end of the install do a restart
02:39<yoyobunny>And there are no more non-Debian packages.
02:39<yoyobunny>Ah.
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02:39<annadane>it's honestly very simple and painless
02:39<yoyobunny>dist-upgrade is the one that'll resolve dependencies, right?
02:39<annadane>it just takes... several minutes
02:39<yoyobunny>Yeah, but I started off with Jessie 8.1 and it's my first upgrade.
02:39<yoyobunny>So I'm a little nervous.
02:40<annadane>i guess also pay close attention to what the terminal tells you, and make note of particularly any packages removed
02:40<yoyobunny>I have around 1800 packages installed.
02:41<yoyobunny>I suppose it'll take a lot of time.
02:41<annadane>if you feel uncomfortable about something then i guess post in here
02:41<yoyobunny>OH OH OH The script command.
02:41<yoyobunny>How do I do that?
02:41<annadane>that, i don't know
02:41<yoyobunny>"# script -t 2>~/upgrade-stretchstep.time -a ~/upgrade-stretchstep.script"
02:42<yoyobunny>Says the release notes.
02:42<yoyobunny>So it'll let me do my commands and then I just "exit"?
02:43<annadane>well, like i said. upgrade your system going through prompt and do a reboot at the end
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02:43<yoyobunny>And I couch this process in the script and exit commands. I see.
02:43<znoteer>yoyobunny: yes, that will create a transcript of everything you do
02:43<yoyobunny>Alright.
02:43<annadane>also i guess worth mentioning if you're on kde like i am that SDDM is the default display manager, KDM being removed
02:44<yoyobunny>Sufficient space, how much? I'm on GDM.
02:44<annadane>so be a bit cautious with apt autoremove, i managed to delete my display manager and that wasn't fun
02:44<yoyobunny>If it's 5 GB then it
02:44<yoyobunny>It's fine.
02:44<yoyobunny>Whoa.
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02:44<annadane>it may be in the release notes
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02:45<annadane>https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#sufficient-space
02:45<annadane>but skimming it it doesn't seem it has a clear answer of "how much space"
02:46<yoyobunny>It's not.
02:46<annadane>(subjectively, 5 GB is probably fine for debian but i don't want to rush potentially bad advice)
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02:46<yoyobunny>But I was hoping you'd remember.
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02:46<annadane>well, i have space to spare, i didn't really look at it
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02:46<yoyobunny>Then depending on your approx number of packages I could get a rough estimate.
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02:47<yoyobunny>Ah. I have 40 GB.
02:47<dhanar_10>somiaj: well, i usually use the live image for both installation and rescue scenario because it is convenient for me to have a single image for that. installation feature from live image is not dropped right?
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02:47<annadane>(i think you can actually solve the display manager thing with dpkg-reconfigure sddm but it's good to be careful regardless)
02:47<yoyobunny>I don't think I'll face issues with GNOME.
02:47<annadane>well, there you go
02:48<annadane>right, GDM
02:48<yoyobunny> Unless there has been a breaking change?
02:48<annadane>not as far as i'm aware
02:48<annadane>i'm just blabbering at this point
02:48<yoyobunny>Anything to make me less nervous works.
02:48<yoyobunny>And, of course, to point me in the right direction. :P
02:49<annadane>i mean, i assume you have backups for your files if things go catastrophically wrong
02:49<annadane>good practice in any case
02:49<yoyobunny>Did you do "# mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint"?
02:49<annadane>i did not
02:49<yoyobunny>I've taken backups.
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02:49<yoyobunny>Entire home, etc, some in var
02:49<annadane>but it was pretty painless to me and i upgraded when it was in testing; now that it's stable it should be even better
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02:50<yoyobunny>Why do the release notes say this? : "Don't forget to mount all needed partitions (notably the root and /usr partitions) read-write, with a command like: "
02:50<yoyobunny>This is for those who have modified their mount configs?
02:50<annadane>well, for reasons i don't understand. i didn't really bother reading the stretch release notes
02:52<yoyobunny>...
02:52<yoyobunny>I'm scared now.
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02:52<yoyobunny>Should I or should I not use this mount command?
02:52<annadane>anyone who knows better than me?
02:53<Omochao>afaict, if you're using the default mount config, the command just doesn't do anything
02:53<yoyobunny>Ah.
02:53<Omochao>don't quote me on that though
02:53<yoyobunny>Some relief.
02:53<yoyobunny>How do I check?
02:53<OdyX>yoyobunny: some people mount their filesystems read-only in daily operation, but you need to allow apt/dpkg and friends to write to the partitions to run an upgrade.
02:54<yoyobunny>Oh.
02:54<OdyX>yoyobunny: you're very unlikely to have that (quite specific) setup.
02:54<yoyobunny>Well, I run apt update every day so I suppose that's not an issue for me.
02:55<annadane>oh, yeah, that seems like the clearest context
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02:55<annadane>it sounded a little odd
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02:55<yoyobunny>Okay. So. Mount is not an issue.
02:55<annadane>just watch out for the mounted police
02:55<annadane>...sorry
02:55<yoyobunny>So far, I have "log in as root user, run script command, do the upgrade commands, stop script, reboot"/
02:56<yoyobunny>After I change my sources list to stretch.
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02:56<yoyobunny>Which I will do... anytime now. Just taking my time to find out any more doubts I might have.
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03:11<yoyobunny>Guys, what is a leaf package?
03:11<yoyobunny>"Chromium - while built upon the Webkit codebase - is a leaf package"
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03:13<yoyobunny>I can't find any info through searching.
03:15<yoyobunny>Ah.
03:15<yoyobunny>"those packages in a Debian system which no other packages depend on (leaf packages)"
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03:18<somiaj>dhanar_10: no, but you should'nt install from inside the live enviroment. The live image should have a boot option to boot directly into the installer.
03:19<cef>Ugh. Why does the built-in gnome clock only want to search on cities, and not timezones?
03:19<grawity>aren't the timezones named after cities?
03:19<cef>grawity: all except UTC. :P
03:21<grawity>I guess systems which use UTC rarely run GNOME
03:21<grawity>I'm more annoyed about the fact that it's instant-apply
03:21<grawity>even though it's only a symlink change
03:21<yoyobunny>GUYS. I'm going to do the upgrade. Wish me luck! I hope it goes right.
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03:23<cef>grawity: mainly wanted to add a UTC clock to the existing clock... but it won't find it.
03:23<cef>yoyobunny: good luck!
03:24<grawity>oh you mean the app
03:24<yoyobunny>cef: Thanks!
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03:27<cef>grawity: yeah. I deal with a bunch of machines (and people) that tend to run everything on UTC.. it'd be nice to have it as an actual "world clock" on my desktop for reference.
03:28<dhanar_10>somiaj: i understand
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03:30<grawity>ah weird, it actually records locations – not timezones
03:30<grawity>> {'location': <(uint32 2, <('London', 'EGLL', true, [(0.89855367075064974, -0.0078539816339744835)], [(0.89884456477707964, -0.0020362232784242244)])>)>}
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03:32<cef>grawity: yeah. Oh well.. I just used Reykjavik. It's always UTC there.
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04:36<BrainError404>why after the update on stretch it uninstalled the packages build by myself?
04:37<BrainError404>and when I try to install it says that the dependencies are empty?
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04:47<Myon>BrainError404: did you "apt-get autoremove" them?
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05:00<BrainError404>Myon: no I discovered that the system uninstalled them for missing dependencies
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05:41<nisald>hi anyone there
05:43<dhanar_10>bye
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05:44<nisald>has anyone experienced a login loop after upgrading debian
05:45<annadane>nisald, be more specific? what kind of loop, what happens?
05:46<nisald>i can't login to my account, I am being bounced back to the login screen every time I try to log in
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05:47<annadane>what display manager do you use when you log in typically?
05:48<nisald>gdm
05:48<nisald>yesterday i upgraded jessie to stretch, and I upgraded it using gdm (which is a mistake)
05:49<nisald>I think that's the reason, gdm has broken somehow. Any experiences with that??
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05:49<annadane>i'm not familiar with gnome, but let me search the bug reports
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05:49<annadane>i think one thing you could try is dpkg-reconfigure gdm
05:50<annadane>see if there's a different display manager you can use
05:50<nisald>i tried reconfigure but no luck.
05:50<annadane>hmm. i'm not sure. maybe someone else knows
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05:51<nisald>thx anyway annadane
05:51<annadane>try systemctl status gdm?
05:51<nisald>it active
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05:52<annadane>i think if you post the full output to paste.debian.net it might give a better idea
05:52<annadane>if indeed this is a problem with the display manager, i'm not sure whether it is or not
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05:56<annadane>i wonder whether the dpkg log might have something by way of error messages
05:57<annadane>oh, perhaps not that
05:57<annadane>maybe /var/log/gdm.log
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06:01<nisald>annadane, do you think installing another dm will help? after your suggestion i'm thinking to install i3
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06:03<annadane>nisald, i, personally, don't see it compounding the issue and until you figure out what's wrong it would at least allow you (probably) to boot into your system, but as i said if you provide logs it might give an idea how to fix your gdm issues
06:03<annadane>that said
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06:03<annadane>i'm not too well versed in solving boot problems... somebody probably knows, but i suppose as a temporary measure you can try a different dm
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06:21<Iwan>Hi! Can somebody help with pxe install deb stretch?
06:22<shtrb>where are you stuck ?
06:24<Iwan>I get netinstall.tar.gz, then put kernel ... append... plus preseed.cfg with my own repo,but when i have to part my disk it is not visible
06:24<Iwan>But when i use cd.iso it seen
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06:26<Iwan>I try to install on vmware vitrual machine on esxi
06:26<Iwan>It works on deb8, but stretch not
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06:34<yoyobunny>Hey guys! Sending this from my newly upgraded Debian Stretch!
06:35<yoyobunny>Biggest issue after upgrading: touchpad taps don't register as clicks anymore. :(
06:35<towo^work>it's a feature, not an issue
06:36<yoyobunny>How.
06:36<towo^work>you need to configure libinput propper
06:36<yoyobunny>Oh.
06:36<yoyobunny>How do I do that?
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06:36<towo^work>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libinput
06:37<yoyobunny>Thanks!
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06:38<nik90>I had the same issue. I resolved it by removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package. After a reboot, it worked and I also saw the touchpad settings in gnome control center.
06:39<nik90>Apparently the synaptics package override libinput
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06:40<zino>bonjour
06:40<zino>hello
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06:45<yoyobunny>nik90 Is it safe to remove the synaptics package?
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06:47<yoyobunny>For some weird reason, I'm getting two names under input devices
06:47<yoyobunny>N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
06:47<yoyobunny>N: Name="ELAN0732:00 04F3:0358"
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06:52<nik90>It does not have dependencies as far as I can tell ... and it worked for me without any issues.
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06:54<nik90>With the debian upgrade to Stretch, it is refreshing to see Wayland. As a user I cannot tell if I am using X11 or Wayland which is a win imo.
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06:59<barend>Hey everyone . What are the minimum system requirements for a Debian mirror server?
06:59<BrainError404>Why when I try to start veracrypt with stretch it prints this? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/47c541e3/
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07:06<yoyobunny>nik90 You suggested removing the synaptics driver. It caused my touchpad to fail completely.
07:06<yoyobunny>Luckily, I had a USB mouse with me.
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07:06<yoyobunny>I was able to reinstall it.
07:06<nik90>yoyobunny: Are you in the X or Wayland sessions?
07:06<nik90>I am currently in the wayland session with the synaptics driver removed and it just works.
07:06<yoyobunny>The issue was in X. I came here to say exactly this. Now I'm in Wayland and it works.
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07:07<nik90>Okay
07:07<yoyobunny>The only thing holding me back from Wayland in Jessie was the touchpad touch to click.
07:07<yoyobunny>Now that it works, I'm switching permanently. :D
07:07<nik90>Did Gnome 3.14 (in Jessie) even have the Wayland option?
07:08<yoyobunny>Also, I'll try removing the synaptic driver again. This time in Wayland.
07:08<yoyobunny>It did.
07:08<yoyobunny>I tried it out a few times.
07:08<nik90>Ah ok..
07:08<yoyobunny>Thanks!
07:08<yoyobunny>See ya.
07:08<nik90>The wayland session for me seems remarkably smooth.
07:08<nik90>yw
07:08<nik90>bye
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07:31<madduck>What tool would you use to quickly sketch up a diagram of a LAN topology? dia? Or is there something easier/more modern?
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07:32<duclicsic>dia is dreadful, but it's what i tend to use
07:33<duclicsic>there are billions of online tools now for that kind of thing
07:33<madduck>i don't want ;)
07:33<duclicsic>yeah that's why i still use dia
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07:33*madduck eyes tikz
07:33<grawity>for just describing topology, there's always dot/graphviz >_>
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07:46<rjsalts>I really like graphviz too, but I think neato or fdp/sfdp produce better layouts than dot if you have a lot of detail
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07:54<keinek>good morning
07:54<Drzacek>Hi
07:55<keinek>hi Drzacek
07:55<keinek>Does anyone know if there are problems installing from pendrive with UEFI?
07:55<Drzacek>How to deactivate Alt+F1 hotkey? I'm on debian stretch/plasma, alt+f1 opens "start menu" :D
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07:57<keinek>The installer in text mode fails from the language selection, the graphical installer lets choose language and country but fails to detect the unit at the time of installation, is a bug that was present in older versions of debian, probe both live and Netinstall and same result.
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07:57<Blacker47>Drzacek, right click on menu, .. options, hothey, delete it...
07:58<keinek>Legacy mbr works fine.
07:58<Drzacek>Blacker47, thanks, worked
07:58<keinek>If someone has a link to some documentation to read it would appreciate it.
07:59<Blacker47>keinek, secure boot would not work. beside that (i assume) it should work.
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08:01<keinek>Is it something that corrects itself in the future?
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08:03<Blacker47>i tried to let unattended-updates upgrade from jessie to strech (just for the science). the system are only half-upgraded - at least kernel, libreoffice and kde-* are not upgraded because of dependency conflics or similar. - Q: it is because it needs 'dist-upgrade'? it is configurable for unattended-updates?
08:04<Blacker47>keinek, if you asked me: i don't get your question.
08:05<HelmutSpargel>kde plasma on stretch: what is the intended way to set mouse speed and acceleration? the settings in system settings -> input devices > mouse have no effect whatsoever.
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08:05<keinek>ok... "In a release update from last week, release team member Jonathan Wiltshire wrote that "At a recent team meeting, we decided that support for Secure Boot in the forthcoming Debian 9 'stretch' would no longer be a blocker to release"
08:06<keinek>I will have patience. thanks Blacker47
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08:12<Petru>hi I've got an i7 7700, which iso should I use for installing?
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08:13<gheorghe>i used netinst
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08:14<gheorghe>i have i7-6700K
08:14<Petru>there are more options for netinst: amd64arm64armelarmhfi386mipsmips64elmipselppc64els390x
08:14<gheorghe>amd64
08:14<grove>Petru: Your architecture is amd64
08:16<Petru>thanks
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08:21<nick>if i have intel and nvidia graphics on a laptop how can I install the drivers for nvidia? Do I have to use bumblebee?
08:22<towo^work>yes
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08:22<towo^work>optimus crap
08:23<nick>ok, and its recommended to get the drivers from the repos right? not from nvidias website?
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08:27<towo^work>nick, exact
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08:28<babilen>nick: https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee (for jessie, not entirely sure if there have been changes to be aware of for stretch)
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08:31<nick>ok, one more question, do I install nvidia drivers first
08:31<nick>? or bumblebee and then drivers?
08:33<babilen>bumblebee-nvidia, no?
08:33<gheorghe>@nick, i enable contrib and non-free and after that just install the drivers via apt
08:33<babilen>https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#Installation
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08:34<nick>ok, I didn't know if that installed the drivers as well or just installed bumblebee
08:34<gheorghe>hmm, wait, you are talking about optimus
08:35<Thraul>Have the "Buster" gates been opened yet?
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08:43<debuser>Please give a clear answer at the moment and in the future, you need to use a package manager - apt-get, apt or aptitude? For everyday use and for upgrading the system inside release and on the new version.
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08:44<rjsalts>debuser: apt-get and aptitude are alternative user interfaces to apt
08:46<rjsalts>debuser: aptitude has more features than apt-get, such as a menu driven interface. They also have slightly different ways of resolving which packages should be installed
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08:46<blast007>aptitude also has a fancy search
08:47<blast007>and can handle some more complicated dependency resolutions
08:47<debuser>rjsalts: In the last couple of days, I was interested in this question, and I said that aptitude is no longer recommended for use (abandoned by the author, etc.), and recommended apt-get \ apt, but someone said the opposite, I can't find the truth I came here in the hope that there are Debian developers, and give a concrete answer, once and for all to use the one in Debian.
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08:47<Blacker47>aptitude for daily use, apt-get for upgrade to new release.
08:48<rjsalts>debuser: I'd generally stick to aptitude, unless it failed to resolve dependencies for a particular upgrade/install. In which case I'd get a second opinion from apt-get
08:49<rjsalts>debuser: the other reason to use apt-get is that it's shorter to type by one character
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08:51<rjsalts>debuser: although you can probably tab-complete aptitude with less keystrokes
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08:52<piper>i recommend just apt apt update apt full-upgrade apt policy apt search just examples apt-get i havent used in like forever and aptitude is just a frontend to apt more info https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s-apt-get
08:53<Thraul>Any news on Buster release? have they unfrozen testing yet?
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08:53<piper>Thraul: i run sid so far, so good
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08:54<piper>but that will change of course
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08:54<debuser>>Currently, we recommend the following. > apt-get(8) for all commandline operations, including package installation and removal, and dist-upgrades. > aptitude(8) for an interactive text interface to manage the installed packages and to search the available packages. >https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html > Note that aptitude is the preferred program for daily package management from the console. > Note that apt-get now also in
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08:54<Thraul>piper: I have never actually taken the plunge and installed sid. I have always used stable or testing. I really should get a VM setup with sid one day.
08:54<debuser>now also installs recommended packages as default, and thanks to its robustness it's the preferred program for package management from console to perform system installation and major system upgrades. >https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s-aptitude So where did the truth?))
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08:55<piper>debuser: sure, it's your box and aptitude is much slower, and i won't use it in sid, might be fine for stable
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09:00<piper>debuser: and longtime https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411280 https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_literal_apt_get_literal_literal_apt_cache_literal_vs_literal_aptitude_literal
09:00<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/411280 in release-notes (closed, confirmed): «apt-get actually works (sometimes?) better than aptitude»; severity: important; opened: 2007-02-17; last modified: 2010-09-15.
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09:01<piper>and have seen many who don't know how to read/use aptitude bork things pretty good
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09:10<TobiX>piper: aptitude is not "just a frontend" for apt - aptitude has its own conflict solver, which might be a good or a bad thing...
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09:24<piper>TobiX: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-frontends.html
09:25<piper>states 6.4. Frontends: aptitude, synaptic
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09:29<piper>TobiX: running sid for just about 2 decades, not good for sid, stable might be fine, it (in the wrong hands) can be to good for its britches in sid, although, if you really know what your doing, you can survive ;)
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09:43<Petru>Hi, I’ve tried to install debian stable, but now after booting a terminal appears saying grub>
09:44<Petru>how can I fix the bootloader?
09:46<rjsalts>Petru: boot the kernel and then run update-grub, you should be able to tab-complete a linux/linuxefi /vmlinuz-... root=/dev/your-root-device ro
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09:47<rjsalts>Petru: initrd /initrd.img-...
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09:49<Petru>rjsalts alloc magic is broken at 0xa7ebe4c0: 0 aborted. Press any key to exit
09:50<Petru>after pressing enter a menu for installing debian has appeared
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09:50<TobiX>Petru: Sounds lika a hardware problem, could you run memtest?
09:50<rjsalts>Petru: use the install image to run in rescue mode
09:50<Serbitar>unplug your install media and reobot
09:51<Petru>can’t find command `metest'
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09:51<EmleyMoor>Is there a key in aptitude for "ditch pending actions"?
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09:51<TobiX>Petru: You need to run memtest from boot media.
09:51<EmleyMoor>Petru: Maybe if you typed it right...
09:51<EmleyMoor>AH, yes, good point
09:51<Petru>booted into rescue mode
09:52<TobiX>Petru: Is that a Mac?
09:52<Petru>no
09:53<Petru>the missing firmware files are rtl_nic/rt18168h-2.fw
09:53<Walex>EmleyMoor: ":" means "hold it as it is"
09:53<Petru>I clicked no for first install
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09:53<Petru>should I select no for removable media?
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09:54<Walex>EmleyMoor: and "=" means "as it is, don't hold it"
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09:56<Walex>my guide to using Aptitude with typical "limit" expressions: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html?130414#130414
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09:56<Petru>it seems that rescue mode tries to install debian again
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09:57<Walex>Petru: it tries to fix the installed package and the installed bootloader..
09:57<Walex>Petru: if the installed packages are missing some that should be there they get installed.
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09:58<Petru>I had a dual boot: windows on ssd and kde neon on hd, and tried to install debian on hd and erase neon. Which root file system should I select?
09:59<Petru>sda1 (ssd) or sda2 (hd)
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10:03<Walex>Petru: 'sda2' I hope.
10:04<Walex>Petru: but wait 'sda1' and 'sda2' are on the same device.
10:04<Petru> execute a shell in /dev/sda2, execute a shell in the installer environment, choose a different root fs, reboot the system? I assume 1)
10:04<Walex>Petru: you may have installed Debian to the wrong device.
10:04<Walex>Petru: 'sda1' and 'sda2' cannot be one on SSD and one on HD.
10:05<Petru>I’ve selected the partition on which I installed neon last time
10:05<Petru>how can I find out which one is hd?
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10:05<Walex>Petru: 'lsscsi'
10:05<Brigo>Petru, sda2 i would guess
10:06<Brigo>Petru, but there is something wrong there, if sda1 is the first partition of the first disk, sda2 is the second partition of the first disk too.
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10:06<Petru>it was sdb5
10:06<Walex>Petru: grep -h . /sys/block/sda/device/model
10:07<Walex>Petru: grep -h . /sys/block/*/device/model
10:07<Walex>Petru: hope you have backups...
10:07<Petru>kingston suv400s toshiba dt01aca1
10:07<Petru>I have
10:07<Petru>so I’m on a shell in sdb5
10:08<Walex>Petru: to be sure ru: 'blkid'
10:08<Petru>yes, partlabel=“debian"
10:09<Walex>Petru: so what are you trying to fix then, just to be sure.
10:10<Petru>after booting I only have grub>
10:10<Petru>and some text with ubuntu … before grub>
10:10<Walex>Petru: so you did not install GRUB to 'sda'
10:11<Petru>I tried but the installer printed a fatal error
10:11<Walex>Petru: you can manually boot into Debian at the GURB command line
10:11<Petru>so I’ve tried to install to sdb
10:11<Petru>how do I boot it from grub command line
10:11<Petru>?
10:11<Walex>Petru: but 'sdb' is not the BIOS boot disk
10:12<Petru>I understand now. How can I install grub to sda?
10:12<Walex>Petru: set root='hd1,msdos5'
10:12<Walex>Petru: /boot/vmlinuz-.... ro root=/dev/sdb5
10:13<Walex>linux Petru: /boot/vmlinuz-.... ro root=/dev/sdb5
10:13<Walex>Petru: linux /boot/vmlinuz-.... ro root=/dev/sdb5
10:13<Walex>Petru: initrd /boot/initrd-....
10:13<Walex>Petru: TAB does completion.
10:13<Walex>Petru: finally just 'boot'
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10:14<Petru>so should I reboot now from recovery?
10:14<Walex>Petru: that will boot you into the system.
10:14<Petru>I did set root='hd1,msdos5'
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10:15<Walex>Petru: but you also need to set it on the 'linux' command line
10:15<Walex>Petru: actually you should be able to tell the rescue mode to rebuild the GRUB setup on 'sda' with root 'sdb5'
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10:16<Petru>I have to go now, thanks for help. I’ll try fixing things later
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10:17<Maarten>odd.... seems I can't reach www.debian.org over ipv6. over IPv4 works fine... Other ipv6 sites also work fine. (tested v6.facebook.com and ipv6.google.com) - I can switch to ipv4 only for now, but is this a known issue?
10:19<Maarten>pings fine over ipv6 btw... just not serving the website
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10:19<Walex>Maarten: it seems it is being reinstaled
10:20<Maarten>heh :) stretch upgrade?
10:20<Walex>Maarten: 'host -t aaaa debian.org' returns four very different addresses, three serve the site, one serves the default page
10:21<Walex>Maarten: presumably that happens with the IPv4 addresses too
10:21<Walex>Maarten: indeed this IPv4 address for 'debian.org' is the same http://128.31.0.62/
10:21<Maarten>yeah I have 4 aaaa and 5 a records.... seems to work when I use IPv4 only atm, but not over ipv6
10:22<Walex>and this one too: http://5.153.231.4/
10:22<Maarten>aaand now it works again over ipv6 :D
10:23<Walex>this works: http://[2001:4f8:1:c::15]/
10:23<Walex>Maarten: maybe you are not fully aware of DNS "round robin" site selection...
10:24<Maarten>possibly. I am using opendns.
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10:26<Maarten>oh wait, that moment that it worked, I had applied my google dns config..... how interesting. Works with using google ipv6 dns servers, but not the opendns ipv6 dns servers.
10:27<Maarten>lol, yep, confirmed.... works with google ipv6 dns, not with opendns ipv6 dns. Okay, opendns, wake up your slow dns servers this morning ;)
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10:29<Walex>Maarten: I suspect from what you say that you don't really understand DNS round robin site selection...
10:30<Walex>Maarten: it has nothing to do with Google vs. OpenDNS
10:30<Walex>Maarten: have you clicked on some of the numeric URLs I have pasted above?
10:31<grawity>what you get with http://<ipaddress>/ doesn't have anything to do with what you get with http://www.debian.org/
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10:31<grawity>it might serve you a generic index page purely *because* the URL doesn't have the domain
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10:32<Maarten>Walex, let me put it to you this way: I put the google ipv6 DNS servers in, it works.... i switch to OpenDSN, it doesn't. I seem to be able to replicate this constantly, I have a little app that switches network configs on the fly. Not sure what else to tell you..... IP addresses work fine if I put them in manually.
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10:32<grawity>it seems Debian's own nameservers are returning different addresses at different times
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10:35<grawity>currently `dig www.debian.org @dnsnode.debian.org.` is giving me [2001:41b8:202:deb:1a1a:0:52c3:4b69], [2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:31], and [2001:648:2ffc:deb::211:201] – all three return "Connection refused" here
10:35<grawity>"debian.org" without www has different addresses, some of which *do* work
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10:35<Maarten>meh :) its all good I just leave my config at google's ipv6 servers
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10:36<grawity>still has nothing to do with google vs opendns, though
10:37<grawity>besides coincidence
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10:58<Guest2762>great, parrot
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11:03<kanekianon>hello
11:03<kanekianon>who is
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11:06<BrainError404>I tried to compile veracrypt and it says this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b2d5c847/
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11:10<rjsalts>is there something wrong with snapshot.debian.org?
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11:11<rjsalts>2017-06-19 17:10:42 (1.73 MB/s) - Read error at byte 7958528 (Success).Retrying. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 503 Service Unavailable
11:11<rjsalts>or is it likely it's a corrupt file?
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11:25<zuiss1>i read that debian 9 uses nftables instead of iptables, but the nftables package isn't installed on my system
11:25<BrainError404>why libc6-dev-amd64 is for i386 and libc6-dev-i386 is for amd64? and if my system is amd64 what should I install?
11:25<zuiss1>do i need to install it manually?
11:26<grawity>BrainError404: they're both "cross-compilation" packages
11:26<grawity>BrainError404: i.e. specifically used when compiling apps for the "other" architecture
11:26<grawity>if you're on amd64 and want to compile amd64 stuff, you only need the regular libc6-dev
11:26<BrainError404>grawity: So what should I install?
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11:27<BrainError404>ah
11:27<grawity>BrainError404: you should install build-essential, I'd say
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11:31<BrainError404>grawity: for compile veracrypt User.h it needs /usr/include/sys/types.h who seems related to that packages: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stretch&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=%2Fusr%2Finclude%2Fsys%2Ftypes.h
11:31<grawity>apt-file search sys/types.h
11:31<grawity>gives me libc6-dev
11:31<grawity>also gives me a lot of *other* junk, but that doesn't mean I need all that
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11:32<BrainError404>grawity: apt-file command not found
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11:34<rjsalts>zuiss1: https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch says: "nftables is available as a replacement for iptables. See this nftables blog post for details."
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11:42<agaida>BrainError404: maybe one should install it first
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11:43<agaida>and you are dead sure that an own build of veracrypt is a good idea?
11:43<zuiss1>rjsalts: ok, i misunderstood and thought it was supposed to be replacing iptables by default
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11:44<zuiss1>i will continue using iptables i think because of the convenient "sudo ufw enable" which blocks incoming and allows outgoing
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11:45<BrainError404>agaida: yes but I thinked it was included in apt
11:45<arturo>zuiss1: you need an explicit installation
11:46<BrainError404>btw when I try to compile veracrypt it prints this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b2d5c847/
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11:47<zuiss1>arturo: thanks i hope there will be a frontend like ufw/gufw to make it easy to enable a default rule set for novice users
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11:49<jmcnaught>BrainError404: instead of compiling it from source (that error looks like either a problem with the Makefile, or a user error but it's hard to tell without more context)… https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/cryptsetup-bin/cryptsetup.8.en.html#TCRYPT_%28TrueCrypt-compatible_and_VeraCrypt%29_EXTENSION
11:49<grawity>maybe ufw already supports switchable backends?
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11:49<jmcnaught>^^ cryptsetup also supports truecrypt and VeraCrypt volumes
11:49<arturo>zuiss1: the package includes some example files which serves that porpose
11:50<arturo>grawity: not to my knowedge. Your only option right now is to use bare nftables. Not so many wrappers yet
11:50<arturo>knowledge*
11:51<BrainError404>jmcnaught: cryptsetup has a gui?
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11:51<perikillo>hi, I have a problem with keyboard after stretch update. Accents don't work.
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11:52<perikillo>Anyone can help?
11:52<jmcnaught>sorta, GNOME Disks can do some cryptsetup stuff and there could be others. is GUI required?
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11:54<BrainError404>jmcnaught: one reason because I use veracrypt is the gui, and btw heres the source code: https://launchpad.net/veracrypt/trunk/1.19/+download/VeraCrypt_1.19_Source.tar.gz
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11:55<grumper>hello, is this the correct place to ask packaging questions? ( specifically about dpkg-divert )
11:55<grumper>or is there a focused channel for this kind of stuff?
11:56<zeta>grumper: #debian-mentors
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11:57<jmcnaught>BrainError404: i'm not that interested in compiling veracrypt today but if you can find the veracrypt mailing list or IRC channel they may be able to provide more informed support
11:57<zeta>grumper: assuming you want to create a package
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11:58<BrainError404>jmcnaught, thx
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12:00<jmcnaught>BrainError404: good luck ☺
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12:04<agaida>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=814352 https://www.veracrypt.fr/en/Downloads.html -- BrainError404, so you can decide if veracrypt is really a good idea - the binaries should work.
12:04<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/814352 in wnpp (closed, wontfix, pending): «ITP: veracrypt -- Cross-platform on-the-fly encryption»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-02-10; last modified: 2016-08-09.
12:05<perikillo>anyone can help with the keyboard problem after stretch update?
12:05<grumper>zeta: yes, thanks am asking there
12:06<heini>perikillo: which keyboard problem?
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12:09<perikillo>heini: after updating to stretch today accents doesn't works. It seems locale is ok. anyways I used dpkg-reconfigure keyboard and also dpkg-reconfigure locale with same results. When I push an accent it does not allow me to put the letter: ´a instead á
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12:10<piper>perikillo:have you tried dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
12:11<towo`>dpkg-reconfiguire keyboard-configuration
12:11<piper>ah i se you did locales
12:11<towo`>grr
12:11<towo`>dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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12:11<perikillo>i tried that towo` but I will try again
12:11<towo`>perikillo, but you have not sayed, what you have choosen
12:12<perikillo>a hint maybe could be helpful I realized before on login accents works
12:12<perikillo>take a look at my locales: https://pastebin.com/cQCcKZ3b
12:13<towo`>if you want á, you should not choose nodeadkeys
12:13<towo`>locales have nothing to do with that
12:13<perikillo>oh ok I didn't know
12:13<perikillo>I have selected generic pc 105 keys intl
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12:14<towo`>perikillo, cat /etc/default/keyboard
12:14<perikillo>XKBMODEL="pc105" XKBLAYOUT="es" XKBVARIANT="" XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,compose:lwin"
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12:15<towo`>perikillo, so do dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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12:15<towo`>perikillo, and choose the right XKBVARIANT
12:15<perikillo>ook
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12:16<towo`>with XKBVARIANT="nodeadkeys" typing ` followed by a you would get à
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12:17<perikillo>ok towo` which one would be? what dead keys means?
12:17<towo`>perikillo, what is your goal?
12:17<perikillo>to be able to write á letters
12:18<towo`>i'writing them with typing ` followed by a
12:18<towo`>and that is with nodeadkeys
12:19<perikillo>yes and when I do that it does this -> ´a
12:19<towo`>perikillo, because wrong XKBVARIANT
12:19<towo`>choose nodeadkeys
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12:20<perikillo>like this-> XKBMODEL="pc105" XKBLAYOUT="es" XKBVARIANT="nodeadkeys" XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,compose:lwin"
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12:21<perikillo>should I restart after dpkg?
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12:22<perikillo>I am going to log off to see if it applies changes
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12:25<perikillo>towo` still the same
12:25<towo`>perikillo, udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change
12:25<perikillo>this is XKBMODEL="pc105" XKBLAYOUT="es" XKBVARIANT="nodeadkeys" XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch"
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12:25<towo`>perikillo, if it is not working, maybe your DE is overwriting this setting, with it's own
12:26<perikillo>mm I see on login screen it is working
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12:26<perikillo>I am using gnome shell I think
12:27<perikillo>and in settings it is selected spaniosh
12:27<perikillo>spanish
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12:27<towo`>never used gnome
12:27<perikillo>ok thank you very much for your help
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12:29<pragomer>my debian always stays about 1-2 minutes while boot at "a start job is running" (nfs-share). this is my fstab of my synology nas, which is not always powered on. how can I set a parameter in fstab that sets a timeout for lets say 5 seconds?
12:29<pragomer>https://pastebin.com/Y5Tw9vgA
12:30<towo`>pragomer, use systemd mount
12:30<perikillo>pragomer or set noauto if it is not always available
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12:31<pragomer>so if I set it to "noauto" can I mount it as normal user in filemanger when clicking at it?
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12:31<towo`>pragomer, no, only if you use x-systemd.automount
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12:35<pragomer>yes, NOAUTO just worked perfect. thank you both !
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12:37<perikillo>pragomer great
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12:42<bighornram>debian stable, currently updated I'm unable to access data on a multimedia card when inserted. I get a permissions error. chmod and chown seems to have no effect. How can I change the permissions? thank you
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12:46<grawity>it most likely has a VFAT filesystem, where permissions/ownership aren't a thing
12:46<grawity>if you're mounting the card by hand, add -o uid=$UID
12:47<bighornram>thankyou
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13:02<albladh_>Hi guys im using a debian computer as a router, how can i forward ssh from the router to another port than 22 to the internet interface
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13:25<somiaj>albladh_: you can use iptables for this.
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13:29<user>hi
13:30<user>any idea when booting into Debian I Get a black screen with a flashing cursor? GRUB?
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13:31<Brigo>Guest2773, did you see the boot menu?
13:31<Guest2773>NO.
13:31<Guest2773>Oops. No*
13:31<somiaj>!fixmbr
13:31<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
13:31<blurr>oh, Guest2773, I had that issue also, I had to wait for a kernel update, and then it worked again
13:31<mtn>Guest2773: when this happens, can you do ctrl+alt+f2 and get a prompt?
13:31<Brigo>Guest2773, then yes, grub most probably.
13:32<somiaj>(maybe try to reinstall grub -- if you aren't seeing a boot menu, something up with grub)
13:32<Guest2773>I am trying to use Debian alongside Windows 10. I put GRUB and the installation of Debian onto an external HDD. IS this a nooby-mistake?
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13:33<Guest2773>I am brand new to this. Apologies.
13:33<somiaj>Guest2773: you just have to ensure you system is set up to boot correctly from where you installed grub. Note efi can make this different, so you also need to know if using legacy (mbr) or efi boot
13:34<somiaj>the standard suggestion with windows, is to let grub manage everything (so put grub mbr on the main system) and use grub to chainload windows, which it can. The debian package os-prober can help with this.
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13:34<somiaj>also install windows first, and debian second (or you may have to manually fix it to work with grub)
13:34<spookyfish>This might be a silly question, but now that Stretch is released do new contrib packages still get added or do they only make it to sid now?
13:35<somiaj>spookyfish: stable is a frozen system (this includes contrib and non-free)
13:35<spookyfish>Aha, thanks
13:35<somiaj>only security issues and some rc bugs get fixed in stable.
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13:36<somiaj>now newer packages are sometimes provided via stretch-backports in this case.
13:36<spookyfish>I didn't know that contrib and non-free were frozen too. This makes sense.
13:36<somiaj>but these will have to wait for buster to calmn down, testing is a bit rough as all the updates that have been put off for the release are now all flowing into sid (and then buster) at once.
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13:43<Andrewski>I just installed stretch. what are the recommended drivers for AMD R9 Fury?
13:44<towo`>the free radeon driver
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13:44<grawity>isn't that an amdgpu card
13:44<Andrewski>https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo ?
13:45<towo`>Andrewski, yes, but s/firmware-linux-nonfree/firmware-amd-graphics
13:47<Andrewski>ok, thanks
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13:51<buci>* hi
13:51<buci>can someone help me with choosing between nbd and iscsi?
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13:58<jmcnaught>!ask
13:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:58<jmcnaught>need_help: ^^
13:59<need_help>jmcnaught, I'm not asking if I can ask. I know this is bad practice
14:00<need_help>I just gave hello :P
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14:00<need_help>I was trying some IRC clients to see if they worked, then used the bots to get info about the new version of Debian.
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14:44<inkbottle>sed -i 's/jessie/stretch/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
14:44<inkbottle>I'm using KDE, it seems the best option is to remove everything before reinstalling everything
14:44<inkbottle>at least it seems it is what's suggested by aptitude
14:46<somiaj>inkbottle: you shouldn't hav eto remove kde before upgrading
14:47<somiaj>but if you have third party sources, you want to remove those
14:47<somiaj>also did you read the release notes?
14:47<inkbottle>somiaj: good point there, no I didn't
14:47<somiaj>https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
14:47<inkbottle>thx
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14:50<amacater>If in doubt - _please_ _please_ read upgrading instructions
14:51<amacater>This is not an impossible process but it does need some care.
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15:04<xz>buenas tardes
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15:07<inkbottle>aptitude: every upgraded package have lost its Auto (A) tag/status
15:07<Ulbach>Boa Tarde, sou iniciante no linux debian, e estou com dificuldades em agendar uma rotina de backup automático do firebird no Debian... alguem poderia me ajudar por favor ??
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15:07<inkbottle>is there a way to fix that other than pressing M for each of them?
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15:08<paine>evening.
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15:09<Ulbach>alguém falar português aqui ???????????
15:09<paine>!pt
15:09<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
15:10<paine>Hm... Didn't work.
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15:10<paine>Ulbach: Diga Ulbach.
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15:11<paine>Yesterday, I was oriented here to reintall my Debian, as somehoe my /etc/ folder was modified to have "WORLD" access.
15:11<inkbottle>like libkf5akonadiagentbase5 is marked "manual" instead of "auto"
15:11<inkbottle>and there are hundreds like that
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15:12<paine>And so I did. Now, what is the command to check my permissions to the /etc/ folder, or any folder for that matter.
15:12<inkbottle>If someone else have this behavior, I could really file a bug about that
15:13<lindi->paine: ls -ld /etc
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15:14<paine>The result is different from yesterday. Is this permission setting "drwxr-xr-x 123 root root 12288 Jun 19 16:09 /etc" acceptable?
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15:15<sk1p>I have a question regarding the prerm script. When a package is removed as part of an upgrade, does that call the prerm of the old version, or the to-be-installed version?
15:16<lindi->paine: how did it change?
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15:17<paine>You were one of the ones who diagnosed my case lindi-
15:17<lindi->paine: yes
15:17<inkbottle>google: mark packages as "automatically installed" aptitude bug
15:18<inkbottle>gives tones of bugs
15:18<paine>So, I discovered it trying to configure my firewall after updating my sistem from Jessie to Stretch.
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15:18<lindi->paine: yes but why is it now rwxr-x-rx?
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15:19<paine>No, "drwxr-xr-x".
15:19<lindi->paine: yes that, did you use chmod or what happened?
15:19<paine>Oh!
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15:20<paine>This is a fresh install lindi-
15:20<lindi->paine: ok, then it should be good
15:20<paine>Cool, thanks!
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15:21<inkbottle>it seems at least every libkf5xxxx packages are marked as "manual", instead of obviously "auto"
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15:23<inkbottle>but so is libirc-client0
15:23<inkbottle>liblist-moreutils-perl
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15:28<inkbottle>is there a better way to deal with manual/auto than aptitude, which seems not to manage that bit correctly anymore (at least since 2011)?
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15:31<toad_>is "USB fail to boot problems even with old pre-stretch kernel" a known bug in stretch?
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15:32<toad_>including kernel panics sometimes
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15:32<annadane>toad_, i think if you're having that issue it might be good to clarify your specific issue
15:32<toad_>but the jessie installer works fine with my hardware, so I'm skeptical that it's a hardware bug
15:33<toad_>I installed jessie on my computer, which acts mainly as a qemu host. I upgraded one of the VM's and had some problems, and in the resulting chaos messed up the host somehow
15:33<toad_>now the host almost-but-not-quite consistently fails to boot, complaining about USB devices and then kernel panicking
15:34<annadane>you mean the problem exists within your virtual machine?
15:34<toad_>I can boot the jessie installer and chroot and it works fine, no USB issues
15:34<toad_>no, the host fails to boot
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15:34<annadane>oh, the host, okay
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15:34<toad_>it was confusing because the VM and the host were both using the same console somehow (even though supposedly isolated at IOMMU level)
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15:35<annadane>do you have output to give?
15:36<annadane>aka any error messages that might be useful
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15:36<annadane>i suppose it could conceivably be a bug but it's also possible you just messed something up on your end
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15:37<annadane>i'll leave it at that because i feel like i'm not being too helpful
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15:39*toad_ getting some photos ... this time it didn't kernel panic
15:39<toad_>of course it didn't do anything useful either
15:40<toad_>it seems most likely to be something I did wrong but it'd be nice to know where to start :|
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15:41<jmcnaught>if you managed to boot you should look in /var/log for errors to research
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15:41<toad_>there are indeed errors on screen
15:42<toad_>they're not very helpful though
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15:42<annadane>so to clarify, you're on oldstable aka jessie?
15:42*toad_ wonders if the noapic stuff went into the VM's grub or the host's grub ...
15:42<toad_>no, this is stretch
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15:43<jmcnaught>toad_: are you using libvirt?
15:43<toad_>no, bare qemu
15:44<jmcnaught>so you have an init script or a systemd unit that starts the vm, or you start it manually?
15:44<toad_>I'm not getting anywhere near that point at the moment
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15:45<jmcnaught>well my point would be to disable those from starting on boot while you troubleshoot
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15:45<toad_>I have tried rescue mode
15:45<toad_>and no, I start the VMs manually
15:46<jmcnaught>okay, so is it possible that one of your VMs is able to write directly to one of your disks?
15:46<toad_>it's certainly not intended to be able to do that
15:46<jmcnaught>well you mentioned IOMMU so maybe you're doing weird stuff
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15:46<toad_>yeah, GPU passthrough
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15:47<toad_>except somehow they both end up using the same GPU for console ... which gets really confusing, so I think I messed something up by changing the host when I thought I was changing the VM
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15:48<toad_>aha, I did ... "noapic acpi=off"
15:48<annadane>where do you find that?
15:48<toad_>no idea how turning power management off would make a system unbootable, but it's a difference to be checked out
15:48<toad_>I added it when trying to debug a VM ... it was having weird NMI's every 30 seconds
15:48*toad_ will try changing it back
15:48<annadane>well, i sort of meant where is it location wise
15:49<annadane>just for my own education
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15:49<toad_>/etc/default/grub
15:49<toad_>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
15:50<toad_>ooooh! the keyboard works, the beast boots!
15:50<toad_>thanks for letting me bounce ideas around :)
15:51<toad_>noapic isn't really power management anyway ... I guess that COULD break things terminally on a modern system
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15:52<jmcnaught>toad_: for what it's worth, i do GPU passthrough on stretch using libvirt. i'm not at that computer currently but if we run into each other again i'd be happy to compare notes
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15:53<jmcnaught>(tangential to your current issue)
15:53<toad_>well I'm moving on to that now
15:53<toad_>GPU passthrough is quite a hassle yes
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15:54<toad_>one of the most annoying things is I can passthrough the entire USB extension card I plugged in, but only for USB3 ... so I can't access the keyboard until the VM kernel successfully boots
15:55<toad_>so I have to fall back to legacy USB passthrough, which is pretty annoying
15:55<jmcnaught>ughh… sounds like weird stuff :P personally i just use the SPICE protocol to pass through USB devices, but i don't need USB3 in my windows guest
15:56<toad_>yeah that's the same thing as legacy USB passthrough in qemu ... I'm trying to minimise the exposed surface for breakouts etc
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15:56<toad_>iommu is really nice, means you can avoid most of the complex hardware emulation code
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15:57<agaida>toad - and please don't mix acpi with apic https://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt lines 200 ff and 520ff
15:58<agaida>slightly different things :P
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15:58<toad_>:)
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15:59<toad_>so I have discovered :)
16:00<annadane>and only one letter off 'panic'....
16:00<toad_>... for good reason!
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16:12<toad_>hmmm so scratch + nvidia drivers + old kernel -> VM works, I don't see the NMIs and I don't see the mouse jerkiness
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16:15<gheorghe>what is scratch?
16:16<toad_>errr squeeze?
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16:16<toad_>stretch!
16:16<toad_>:)
16:16<toad_>debian distro codename starting with the letter S
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16:17<annadane>s/squeeze/scratch/stretch/s
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16:20<toad_>now for the final question: can i fix the **** NMI's as well?
16:20<BrainError404>Why the stretch gnome interface is so buggy?
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16:20<toad_>apparently not ...
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16:23<somiaj>toad_: what do you mean by NMI?
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16:24<somiaj>guess I missed the original question
16:25<BrainError404>To wich package may I report gnome graphical and ui bug in stretch?
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16:27<somiaj>BrainError404: if you can isolate which gnome package it is, that one, you can also just report it to the gnome source package otherwise and the maintainer can usually point it at the actual package (provided they can reproduce the bug)
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16:27<AMD-ATI_Radeon_HD6310>My monitor resolution is set to 800x600 at maximum, but it should support at least 1024x600. This means I should probably install proprietary drivers, right?
16:28<somiaj>AMD-ATI_Radeon_HD6310: what version of debian?
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16:28<AMD-ATI_Radeon_HD6310>Debian 8.8 Jessie
16:28<blast007>AMD-ATI_Radeon_HD6310: you probably just need to install the non-free firmware
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16:28<blast007>and did you just install this system?
16:29<AMD-ATI_Radeon_HD6310>blast007, I installed it like yesterday
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16:29<blast007>Debian 9 came out a day or two ago :)
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16:32<blast007>In any case, you'll want to enable non-free sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list (make it so each like has "main contrib non-free" at the end instead of just "main", and run apt-get update). Then, on Jessie, install firmware-linux-nonfree. Or on Debian 9 Stretch, install firmware-linux-nonfree or firmware-amd-graphics.
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16:32<blast007>and once that's done, reboot
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16:33<blast007>can't guarantee that'll fix the resolution issue, but it should get you some 3D acceleration
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16:40<AMD-ATI_Radeon_HD6310>blast007, I didn't knew that there was a difference between "proprietary drivers" and "proprietary firmware"
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16:49<blast007>AMD-ATI_Radeon_HD6310: there is
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16:52<blast007>the open-source driver makes use of the proprietary firmware
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16:58<david>Hi! I'm having trouble signing my own apt repository, can anyone help me? The repo works if apt-secure is not enforced
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16:59<adario>Someone can share a good tuto for a vpn or ipsec between debian and android?
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17:03<AMD-ATI_Radeon_HD6310>So blast007, I suppose it's not as bad to use the proprietary firmware
17:03<AMD-ATI_Radeon_HD6310>I'd like to use only free software, but if it's not possible, there's nothing I can do about it.
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17:08<toad_>somiaj: mysterious Non-Maskable Interrupts every 30 seconds in the VM, which only appear when using the 4.x kernel, but go away when installing the proprietary nvidia gpu driver
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17:11<toad_>and seem to be correlated to mouse sticking in nouveau x server
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17:11<Walex>david: have you imported your public key to the APT ring?
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17:12<Walex>adario: there are several on the strongSwan site plus an Android GUI frontend.
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17:12<adario>Walex: Thanks!
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17:19<DeViL-CHaoS>Hi how are You?
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17:21<DeViL-CHaoS>i have a problem with muy computer... i have installed debían 9 and It start ok, but i don't know why when i am working, It repently stop and o hace yo restart
17:21<DeViL-CHaoS>no error message, nothing
17:21<annadane>DeViL-CHaoS, you mean it freezes up?
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17:22<DeViL-CHaoS>yes
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17:22<DeViL-CHaoS>no keyword, no Mouse, nothing go
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17:23<DeViL-CHaoS>sometimes is five minutes after start, sometimes less
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17:23<DeViL-CHaoS>foro example, i open deluge, It start download and repently freezes up
17:24<M4GNV5>whoever of you is responsible for the latest linux upgrade (just before stretch release): you are awesome! finally when my headset times out i dont have to replug in the receiver anymore to reconnect. It reconnects automagically! I was already assuming to have to live with that for the whole stretch lifetime <3
17:24<DeViL-CHaoS>ir when i listen músic ir i use synaptic ir i am un internet
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17:25<blast007>DeViL-CHaoS: is there a chance the system is overheating?
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17:29<DeViL-CHaoS>i no ser that
17:29<blast007>DeViL-CHaoS: Does the system freeze up if you sit in the BIOS for a while, or at the GRUB boot menu? Have you run a memory test?
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17:29<DeViL-CHaoS>i have installed psensor and hdd os 65°
17:30<DeViL-CHaoS>BIOS and grub boot no problem
17:30<DeViL-CHaoS>only when system os started
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17:31<DeViL-CHaoS>memory test is ok
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17:31<DeViL-CHaoS>could be because so hoy hhd?
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17:32<DeViL-CHaoS>ir could be graphic card problem?
17:33<DeViL-CHaoS>igualmente debían os stats and no programs are open its no pronlem
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17:34<EmleyMoo1>I upgraded my router to stretch today, but it seems radvd did not start on startup... how do I find out what happened and make sure it starts in future?
17:34<DeViL-CHaoS>but if i start open dime programa, no martes Witch programa... un lote time frezze up
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17:47<BrainError404>Why when I try to install gnome-control-center it uninstall apt-file, autoconf, automake, brasero and so on?
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17:48<blast007>!bat
17:48<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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17:51<BrainError404>blast007: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/07c32c29/
17:52<towo`>apt-cache policy is missing in that paste
17:53<BrainError404>towo`, apt cache policy?
17:53<BrainError404>ah
17:53<BrainError404>right
17:54<BrainError404>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/62fa9652/
17:54<BrainError404>This has also apt-cache plicy
17:54<towo`>no
17:55<towo`>'apt-cache policy' only that, without package
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17:57<BrainError404>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/94208c09/
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17:59<BrainError404>towo`, ^
17:59<towo`>what makes you think, you need any jessie repo in stretch?
17:59<towo`>that is nearly a frankendebien
17:59<towo`>*frankendebian, i'm out here
18:00<HelmutSpargel>I'm having truckloads of problems after upgrading to stretch so I'm thinking about restoring my jessie backup. is jessie still getting security updates? can I just stay on jessie until stretch+1 comes out? will a direct upgrade from jessie to stretch+1 be possible?
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18:01<ryouma>HelmutSpargel: will still get security upgrades for a while
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18:01<coruja>BrainError404, tidy up your sources.list(.d), that looks quite horrible
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18:01<ryouma>it's oldstable. it might be supoprted for, maybe, another year?
18:02<ryouma>stretch, however, might be supported for logner
18:02<ryouma>direct upgrades are discouraged afaik
18:02<ryouma>(you upgrade to +1 then +2)
18:02<toad_>doesn't jessie have long term support?
18:02<ryouma>HelmutSpargel: what problems
18:02<ryouma>toad_: dunno
18:02<ryouma>i heard just one year, but that might have been a bad source
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18:03<ryouma>but it's not unsupoprted just becauise of stretch
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18:03<paine>Hi.
18:04<BrainError404>coruja, done, removed all the lines referring to jessie
18:04<paine>It seems that my apt is having some trouble verifying the keys to debian's repository: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/1727711d/
18:04<HelmutSpargel>ryouma, mouse settings don't work (mouse way to fast), scrolling in kde applications is to slow, corrupted and flickering menus and tooltips, tearing, all kde settings seems to have been wiped (including things like yakuake)
18:04<BrainError404>coruja, but the same error appears
18:05<toad_>https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426
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18:05<toad_>April 25th, 2020
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18:05<paine>This happened after I installed the "dirmngr" package.
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18:08<BrainError404>towo`, it isn't a frankendebian since external repo provided only skype and i2p
18:09<toad_>best to uninstall such things (if only temporarily) before upgrading
18:09<toad_>e.g. if you've used backports, do: dpkg -l | grep ~bpo
18:09<BrainError404>https://wiki.debian.org/skype
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18:10<BrainError404>toad: ah okay
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18:14<ryouma>if your mouse is fast, kde might have settings for it. if not, try xset? similar for scrolling.
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18:19<HelmutSpargel>ryouma, kde's settings and xset don't do anything for me. google says to use xinput and set "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" to a higher value, but xinput doesn't even list "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" for my mouse. anyway, already spent the afternoon trying to fix this without success, I've given up.
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18:20<ryouma>ok
18:20<ryouma>thanks for reporting the issues
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18:24<Luucas>hey, someone here talk spanish?
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18:24<abrotman>!es
18:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
18:24<Luucas>thx :)
18:25<blurr>blurr
18:25<blurr>dpkg blurr
18:25<dpkg>[blurr] an awesome wonderful amazing human being that loves everyone and definitely is not a robot
18:26<paine>Guys some help? The authentication keys for the debian repositories are getting rejected: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/1727711d/
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18:27<abrotman>blurr: please do'nt put useless crap in the bot
18:27<blurr>sorry, did know it would save it
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18:38<mnuhmnuh>paine: those are all "W:", meaning warning only. look into them to see if truly relevant, but they're not "E:" errors, or necessarily failure.
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18:39<mnuhmnuh>paine: expect grottiness and catchup !@#$ to be happening at release time. time heals all wounds?
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18:41<paine>I see. I'm sorry, I got all worked up over this.
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18:50<mnuhmnuh>paine: no need to be sorry. we've all been there, including me. i asked somewhat the same q. days ago about other W:'s, and had to research it myself to see it didn't matter.
18:50<mnuhmnuh>have fun!
18:51<paine>mnuhmnuh: I will, thanks!
18:51<mnuhmnuh>:-)
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19:16<ozmage>hello
19:16<sney>hi
19:16<ozmage>i have his fresh installation of debian 9
19:16<ozmage>and i cant connect with NetworkManager
19:17<ozmage>with this card
19:17<ozmage>Bus 002 Device 004: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless Adapter
19:17<ozmage>but wicd can some times
19:17<ozmage>so i dont know what to do
19:17<sney>have you installed the firmware-ralink package?
19:17<ozmage>it works out of the box on other distros
19:17<ozmage>yeah
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19:17<ozmage>all the firmwares are installed
19:17<f0r3st133>ыфвролфыслоыфс
19:18<ozmage>i even compiled a new kernel
19:18<f0r3st133>фычффыфычф
19:18<ozmage> Linux igloo 4.11.6-amd64-ck #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jun 19 18:27:36 AST 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:18<sney>f0r3st133: english only please
19:18<blast007>ozmage: you have firmware-misc-nonfree installed?
19:18<ozmage>yes
19:18<ozmage>everything
19:18<sney>what happens when you try connectin with n-m?
19:18<ozmage>works on archlinux and ubuntu even on macos sierra and windows etc
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19:18<ozmage>it trys to connect and dont connect
19:19<ozmage>here
19:19<ozmage>wlxc02567225e8f its the interface
19:19<ozmage>and
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19:20<ozmage>http://dpaste.com/0SB7AAC
19:20<ozmage>dmesg ^
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19:21<ozmage>that is what does with networkmanager
19:21<ozmage>with wicd connects but only some times
19:21<ozmage>happen the same other times
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19:21<ozmage>i dont know what its wrong with this
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19:22<sney>you have 2 wifi links?
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19:24<ozmage>well yes
19:24<ozmage>i have two wifi cards
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19:24<ozmage>the ralink its usb
19:24<ozmage>and the other intel ac 7
19:24<ozmage>and i can connect with both in ubuntu and archlinux and windows
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19:25<ozmage>at the same time
19:25<sney>right, you're getting the same error for both the ralink and the iwlwifi so it must not be related to the individual nic
19:25<ozmage>what version of network manager its on debian sid/testing ?
19:25<ozmage>hmmm
19:26<ozmage>so its the os
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19:26<sney>stretch only dropped yesterday so it's unlikely there's anything new in sid
19:26<sney>,v network-manager
19:26<judd>Package: network-manager on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.10.0-7; buster: 1.6.2-3; stretch: 1.6.2-3; sid: 1.8.0-5
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19:26<ozmage>before i tested debian sid/testing and i got the same problem
19:26<ozmage>and i give up
19:26<sney>when was that? if it was more than a few days ago then that was stretch
19:26<ozmage>let me install the one in sid
19:26<fsociety>Hello
19:26<ozmage>yeah was like a year a go
19:27<ozmage>yes same
19:27<ozmage>im running 9 now fresh of the oven
19:27<ozmage>but the think is
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19:28<ozmage>i installed the system with netinstall with firmwares and i used the usb ralink wifi
19:28<ozmage>this is so strange
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19:28<sney>can you configure your nics in /etc/network/interfaces?
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19:31<phunyguy>hi, so, are qt/kde apps now too far for Xfce desktops? I cannot get them to match the themes 😞
19:31<phunyguy>am I going to be doomed to Gnome?
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19:34<ozmage>i disabled all the useless services
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19:34<ozmage>let me reboot
19:34<mnuhmnuh>phunyguy: no idea what that means. wm is an app, no more, no less. install any you want, choose the one you want to run at login.
19:34<ozmage>i uninstalled tlp
19:34<ozmage>lets see what happend
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19:34<phunyguy>mnuhmnuh: yeah I get that, but which ones make qt/kde apps match the gtk theme, or vice versa?
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19:35<phunyguy>or how can I accomplish it?
19:35<phunyguy>it seems Xfce is GTK2 for the most part, and qt5 is not with that.
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19:37<mnuhmnuh>phunyguy: can't imagine why anyone'd want to do that. pick a wm, pick a theme, massage to taste. i just pick until i find one that's close enough to work for me, then massage.
19:37<phunyguy>mnuhmnuh: can't imagine why anyone would want to do what... have a unified looking desktop? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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19:38<phunyguy>this used to be so much easier a could years ago, it just seems as time moved on, Xfce lagged back. Not surprised. I am going to attempt Gnome.
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19:38<phunyguy>s/could/couple/
19:39<phunyguy>also, your nick is quite brilliant. Just saying. doo dooooooo doo doo doo.
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19:41<mnuhmnuh>phunyguy: i got kicked from #philosophy for singing i when someone wanted to verify he thought it meant what i did. their loss. :-)
19:41<phunyguy>
19:42<tacocat>phunyguy: installing qt5-style-plugins provides a gtk 2 theme, but you have to add QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 to your session (or use something like qt5ct)
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19:42<phunyguy>tacocat: I tried that 😞
19:43<tacocat>did it not work?
19:43<phunyguy>wait.
19:43*tacocat waits
19:43<phunyguy>I could've sworn I had that installed. I remember checking...
19:43*phunyguy checks bash history
19:43<ach>are you planet enough?
19:44<BrainError404>I'm trying to remove xserver-xorg-video-intel (it's from backports) to allowing the update to stretch but it prints this: http://paste.debian.net/972290/
19:44<phunyguy>tacocat: yeah I did check for it before.... but it installed...
19:44<phunyguy>let me log out and back in
19:45<phunyguy>tacocat: changed literally nothing.
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19:46<tacocat>phunyguy: did you set the platform theme variable?
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19:46<phunyguy>qt5 is poo, and qt4 is mostly poo although it does have the proper icon theme.
19:46<phunyguy>tacocat: yes, that was the reason for the log out and back in
19:46<phunyguy>to get it to pick that up
19:46<tacocat>hmm
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19:46<tacocat>which app are you trying to theme?
19:47<phunyguy>transmission-qt, nextcloud, keepassx
19:47<phunyguy>those are a few examples.
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19:48<phunyguy>before it starts, transmission-qt because transmission-gtk can't connect to a remote backend. ;)
19:48<tacocat>does it work if you run 'QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 transmission-qt' from the command line
19:49<phunyguy>whoa, actually, yes
19:49<phunyguy>that's qt4 though
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19:49<tacocat>really? transmission-qt in jessie+ is qt5
19:49<phunyguy>are you sure?
19:50<phunyguy>maybe I am thinking backwards.
19:50<tacocat>https://packages.debian.org/jessie/transmission-qt dependencies say so
19:50*phunyguy checks the keepassx deps
19:50<tacocat>BrainError404: that error looks unrelated, what commands are you trying to run?
19:50<tacocat>oh keepassx is qt4
19:50<phunyguy>yep, thought so.
19:50<phunyguy>I was backwards.
19:51<tacocat>to make qt4 use the gtk theme you have to install qt4-qtconfig and configure it there
19:51<phunyguy>nextcloud must be as well.
19:51<phunyguy>yep, brb
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19:52<phunyguy>CLOSE...
19:52<phunyguy>the icons are still KDE icons.
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19:53<phunyguy>qt5 is perfect though :P
19:53*mnuhmnuh remembers when xdm + twm made all this complexity so smiple[sic].
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19:54<phunyguy>I don't suppose there is any chance of getting the icon theme to follow?
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19:54<tacocat>not sure
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19:58<ozmage>still no luck
19:59<ozmage>im connecting with wicd
19:59<ozmage>with the usb wifi
19:59<ozmage>and networkamanger wont work
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20:06<ozmage>well in the mean time im upgrading to SID
20:06<ozmage>to bork my installation
20:07<ozmage>then go back to arch .....
20:07<ozmage>lol
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20:07<BrainError404>tacocat: sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-intel
20:08<tacocat>BrainError404: i don't think you need to explicitly remove it, since that pkg exists in stretch as well (it will be replaced by a newer version)
20:08<tacocat>it looks like your system is stuck in a partly updated state though
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20:08<LoL7>Hello
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20:09<ozmage>no need to remove the intel driver just :::::: Section "Device" Identifier "Intel Graphics" Driver "modesetting" Option "AccelMethod" "glamor" EndSection on /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
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20:10<ozmage>the upgrade to sid its not big deal still stretch
20:10<ozmage>stable
20:10<ozmage>with new xorg
20:10<ozmage>and networkmanager
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20:12<piper>BrainError404: what does apt update && apt upgrade --fix-missing do for you
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20:16<ozmage>i have a custom kernel to the last version with ck patches uksm fbcondecor zfs built-in etc upgraded to sid
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20:16<ozmage>lets see how works
20:16<ozmage>Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.0 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2540M CPU @ 2.60GHz (2.77GHz) • Memory: Physical: 5.5 GiB Total (4.5 GiB Free) Swap: 4.0 GiB Total (4.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 6.1 GB / 16.9 GB (10.8 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller • Uptime: 20m 36s
20:16<ozmage>ooops
20:16<ozmage>my bad
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20:19<BrainError404>piper: what do you mean? I only see that some packages will kept back and some packages won't
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20:22<piper>BrainError404: paste it
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20:23<annadane>(to paste.debian.net, not here)
20:23<annadane>(post the link here)
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20:24<piper>thanks annadane
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20:30<paine>Hello. When I execute "sudo apt update" all my repositories are marked with a warning like this one: " The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010"
20:30<paine>Is anyone else here experiencing this?
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20:31<sney>paine: make sure debian-archive-keyring is installed/up to date and also check your system time
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20:32<BrainError404>piper: http://paste.debian.net/972297/
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20:33<paine>sney: debian-archive-keyring is installed (2017.5), the system time is correct.
20:33<sney>paine: what mirror is this?
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20:34<piper>BrainError404: apt update && apt full-upgrade you could do what apt says also apt autoremove
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20:34<paine>sney: The .onion variety.
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20:34<sney>paine: for the purposes of troubleshooting, can you verify if you get the same error with deb.debian.org?
20:35<piper>BrainError404: can you use paste and paste apt policy
20:35<paine>sney: Sure, give me a second.
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20:38<BrainError404>piper: http://paste.debian.net/972301/
20:38<BrainError404>here's my apt-policy
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20:39<piper>BrainError404: that is a mess
20:39<Attila|da>hello. Is there any plan to make php5 available in debian 9 ?
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20:40<paine>sney: The address is "http://deb.debian.org/debian/"?
20:40<sney>yes
20:41<annadane>!frankendebian
20:41<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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20:41<ozmage>well no matter what i do
20:41<annadane>not that i suggest you go elsewhere
20:41<ozmage>this thing
20:41<ozmage>dont connect
20:42<ozmage>stable - sid
20:42<ozmage>nothing
20:42<ozmage>goodbye debian
20:42<ozmage>im gonna install solus
20:42<ozmage>adios
20:42<annadane>>_>
20:42<paine>sney: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e37540b4/
20:43<BrainError404>for the last time, it isn't a frankendebian https://wiki.debian.org/I2P https://wiki.debian.org/skype
20:43<piper>BrainError404: it is
20:43<nicolas17>oh skype has a repo? cool
20:43<sney>BrainError404: it's wise to comment or remove 3rd party sources during a major upgrade but that's unlikely to cause these problems
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20:44<paine>sney: Wait, I've messed up.
20:44<piper>you were told that earlier, that is why you are having problems, comment everything out and use this for now till debian updates the wiki for debian 9 sources https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/371865/debian-9-sources-list then apt update && apt dist-upgrade
20:44<piper>BrainError404: ^^^^
20:44<sney>paine: aye, it's still only giving those errors for the 3rd party and tor repos
20:45<BrainError404>piper: okay, I will, but I must go
20:45<piper>BrainError404: i think you have been posting this for 2 days now
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20:46<sney>paine: some apt defaults were changed in the new release so it's a little more secure by default, and it's likely those external mirrors haven't caught up yet
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20:48<paine>sney: I see, but what about this: "W: GPG error: http://deb.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9D6D8F6BC857C906 NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553
20:49<paine>E: The repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates InRelease' is not signed."
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20:49<paine>It seems that the debian-security doesn't have it's keys updated.
20:49<sney>debian-security is hosted at security.debian.org
20:49<paine>Ah!
20:49<paine>I see, I see.
20:49<sney>so it's deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
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20:55<paine>sney: I removed all third-party repositories and left only the debian repository: http://paste.debian.net/972306/
20:55<paine>sney: I'm still getting these warnings: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a283e305/
20:55<nicolas17>line 4 should say security.debian.org too
20:55<sney>line 4
20:55<sney>oop too slow
20:56<piper>:)
20:56<piper>i just type slow
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20:57<paine>Just that modification sney, nicolas17?
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20:57<sney>yes
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20:58<paine>this is the result: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/53a4c6a0/
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20:59<Attila|da>did you saw my question about php5 and debian 9 ?
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21:00<sney>Attila|da: I don't know what plans there are if any to have php5 available
21:00<sney>paine: well, your configuration looks fine to me so I'm not sure what to tell you
21:01<Attila|da>ok thx
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21:02<Rory>Networkmanager just suddenly stopped letting me connect, and now the applet only shows a no-bars wifi signal or a plug icon
21:03<Rory>it lags my whole machine when I try to connect and then it does not
21:03<Rory>how do I fix this?
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21:04<paine>sney: What's your sources list?
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21:05<Attila|da>do any of you have curl and debian 9 ?
21:05<mnuhmnuh>Rory: what'd you do just before "Networkmanager just suddenly stopped letting me connect"?
21:05<Rory>installed and ran obexfs
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21:06<Rory>and tried to get my phone mounted over bluetooth
21:07<sney>paine: http://paste.debian.net/972309/
21:07<Rory>How much did I done fuck up?
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21:08<paine>sney: I get the verification error.
21:08<paine>Fuuuuu...
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21:09<mnuhmnuh>Rory: maybe just need to config (research & edit to taste) obexfs config files? dunno, never used it. /etc/default/obexfs or /etc/obexfs/*?
21:09<sney>paine: ok, so deb.debian.org is a smart redirect to a fast mirror near you. I guess whatever mirror that is has some problems. are you in NA? try ftp.us.debian.org instead
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21:11<paine>Ok, but what about the security source? "E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease' is not signed."
21:11<Rory>doesn't seem to exist
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21:11<Rory>I mean IWLWIFI gives some strange shit about Ucode -5
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21:12<paine>sney: Same error with http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian
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21:31<ozmage>ok ok
21:32<ozmage>im making progress
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21:32<ozmage>how i make systemd to not rename wlan0 to this weird iface name
21:32<ozmage>wlxc02567225e8f:
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21:32<ozmage>i think that is the problem
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21:33<piper>ozmage: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd-networkd
21:33<ozmage>networkmanager connected now to my wifi with wlan0
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21:33<ozmage>which is the usb-wifi
21:33<ozmage>ok lets seee
21:34<ShaRose>Just to check, anyone have any recommendations for which channel to ask in about custom initramfs hooks and scripts?
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21:38<medicalwei>Are there discussions posted anywhere that Debian 9 releases few CD images than previous releases?
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21:39<sney>probably on the debian-cd mailing list
21:39<piper>ozmage: another read http://xmodulo.com/switch-from-networkmanager-to-systemd-networkd.html
21:39<Attila|da>do any of you have curl and debian 9 ?
21:40<sney>Attila|da: what is your real question?
21:40<Attila|da>curl --http2 "https://www.google.fr"
21:40<Attila|da>does it work now ?
21:40<ozmage>nonono
21:40<ozmage>that is not what i want
21:40<ozmage>so its udevd
21:40<sney>Attila|da: yes
21:41<Attila|da>ok great thx
21:41<ozmage>which is changing the interface name
21:41<medicalwei>Didn't find it.
21:41<ozmage>i want to use networkmanager not systemd-blob
21:41<sney>ozmage: I believe you are looking for this https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ scroll down to the bottom for options
21:41<ozmage>cool
21:41<ozmage>thnx
21:42<ozmage>jejje
21:42<ozmage> net.ifnames=0
21:43<ozmage>do the job
21:43<ozmage>lets test
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21:44<annadane>!enter
21:44<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
21:44<sney>too late.
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21:45<medicalwei>Found it: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/news/story/bits_from_the_debian_cd_images_team.html
21:45<ozmage>amazing
21:45<ozmage>wlan1 wlan0
21:45<ozmage>up
21:45<ozmage>and dandy
21:46<piper> predictable interface name :)
21:46<ozmage>hmmm
21:47<ozmage>systemd its not very good
21:47<ShaRose>You know, I've always considered myself as someone who abuses the enter key on IRC far too much. I don't think that so much anymore.
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21:54<ozmage>how i downgrade from sid to stable ?
21:54<sney>!downgrade
21:54<dpkg>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
21:54<blast007>by reinstalling
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21:55<ozmage>lol
21:55<ozmage>well lets do it
21:55<ozmage>i have my custom kernel
21:55<ozmage>and my stuff
21:55<ozmage>but i think i can downgrade by hand
21:55<ozmage>cool
21:56<flpfer>Hello! I'm having trouble installing Debian Stretch on my Dell Vostro 3560 (UEFI). By the end of the installation, when it tries to run grub-install, it errors "failed to install grub dummy" or something like that. I already tried some commands, but it didn't fix it. Anyone could help me?
21:57<piper>ozmage: good luck, i can install sid 100 time before your done downgrading ;)
21:57<ozmage>there is not much differences i can leave my system like its now
21:58<ozmage>there is only a few pkgs what got upgraded
21:58<ozmage>like
21:58<ozmage>xorg-server 1.19.3
21:58<ozmage>which is good
21:58<sney>this close to a release it probably won't be too hard, but it's still not supported here, so you don't need to tell us about it
21:58<ozmage>and networkmanager
21:58<sney>and good lord man use a comma sometimes
21:58<piper>ozmage: sid will change :)
21:58<sney>flpfer: what commands did you try?
21:59<ozmage>i just disabled sid from the source.list
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21:59<ozmage>no problem then
21:59<ozmage>thx for the systemd tip
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22:00<flpfer>http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2064473/executing-grub-install-dummy-failed.html
22:00<flpfer>Some are there
22:01<sney>hrm, 3 year old post
22:01<piper>2014
22:01<sney>when you try installing the bootloader, switch to the info console (alt+f4) as there may be a more verbose error
22:02<sney>I have also seen one or two people have issues using the stretch installer, who were then able to install with the jessie (oldstable) installer and then upgrade, so that is another option maybe
22:02<flpfer>I did it
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22:03<flpfer>It says something like there's no such directory
22:03<sney>"something like" isn't something we can help with
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22:04<flpfer>Well... I would tell you if I was guessing something. When I say "something like that" it's because it's not the exact same phrase.
22:04<flpfer>But it's a wrong directory
22:05<sney>yes, I understand, but the details are important
22:06<flpfer>And it doesn't say what directory the installation is trying to reach
22:06<flpfer>Sney, I'm sorry.
22:07<sney>ok, so lacking any real useful information, my 2 suggestions to you are a) get supergrubdisk and follow its instructions to install the bootloader, or 2) try installing with the 8.8 installer and then upgrade to 9 in place
22:07<flpfer>I have already tried to install without lvm and the problem persists
22:07<flpfer>Ok, I'll try that
22:07<ozmage>haha
22:08*ozmage downgrade its easy as pie
22:08<flpfer>Sney, thanks for the help
22:08<sney>np.
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22:21<ozmage>piper, how many hundred times did you installed sid ? i already Downgraded without any problem im on stable again and without rebooting in less than 15 minutes :)
22:22<ozmage>https://imgur.com/a/0jv16 :)
22:22<ozmage>hope you and other like it ^
22:22<piper>ozmage: been running sid for almost 2 decades
22:22<ozmage>others*
22:22<ozmage>good
22:22<piper>ozmage: the only reason you had it easy , is because of release
22:23<ozmage>im just setting this debian for other people im a gentoo user no systemd there so :) i was looking for systemd advices
22:23<piper>ozmage: try that in a month or two
22:23<ozmage>no thanks
22:23<piper>no sense of adventure
22:24<ozmage>i will come back to gentoo in less than 2 hours when i get my paid
22:24<ozmage>of this installation
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22:24<piper>i prefer lfs than gentoo
22:24<ozmage>hmm
22:24<ozmage>i prefer freebsd to linux
22:24<ozmage>:)
22:24<piper>pure unix
22:24<sney>!ot
22:24<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
22:24<ozmage>but now im stuck at hackintosh
22:25<ozmage>its so nice and pretty
22:25<ozmage>jejeje
22:25<ozmage>ok
22:25<ozmage>sney, nice
22:26<ozmage>ok time to install the games for this dude ppsspp is not in debian repos ?
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22:27<ozmage>i saw it one time on some kind of source manner to compile it in debian
22:27<ozmage>but i forgot it something like PKGBUILDS or ebuilds
22:27<ozmage>but the debian way
22:28<sney>is there an actual question somewhere in here or are you just sharing whatever comes to mind
22:28<ozmage>let me install dolphin
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22:28<ozmage>who knows , but yes there is a deb pkg of ppsspp somewhere ?
22:28<ozmage>repo etc ....
22:29<ozmage>ok i remember (mentors)
22:29<ozmage>debian mentors
22:30<sney>a quick google says there is an ubuntu repo but not a debian one. (I wonder if you could have found that out.)
22:30<sney>debian-mentors describes a few different resources for people interested in helping the debian project by making packages. this is probably not what you meant, but who knows
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22:31<ozmage>yeah its that
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22:32<ozmage>there was a ppsspp pkg by one of the debian mentors but its gone
22:32<ozmage>well not a pkg a deb-src recipe
22:32<ozmage>anyway thanks
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23:15<CarlFK>is this 9.0.0 ? 812deb97b15cf91a2e3476d16a6b4e602bee652a0165c4bae5c91b6f4ac86e35 ./hd-media/boot.img.gz http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/SHA256SUMS
23:16<CarlFK>when I boot that with debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso I get "No kernel modules were found.... " which is typically because something is out of sync
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23:37<CarlFK>never mind.. now it is working.
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