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00:52<paine>Hello
00:53<paine>I added sid for my list of repositories, just to download a single package.
00:54<paine>Now when I peform "apt update" 206 packages get listed for upgrade.
00:54<paine>I want to avoid installing any more sid packages, so how could I disable upgrades to sid?
00:55<somiaj>!don't break debian
00:55<dpkg>it has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
00:55<somiaj>if you were running jessie or stretch, adding sid sources is dangerous and not supported here.
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00:57<annadane>it's not recommended (unless you know what you're doing) to switch around your sources list like that just for one package
00:57<annadane>generally, either use everything sid or nothing
00:57<digup>After running "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386" then "sudo apt update" on a fresh stretch install, I've been stuck at "Connecting to security.debian.org" for about 10 minutes now. Any suggestions?
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00:59<somiaj>digup: sounds more like an issue with security.debian.org. Might be just a mirror you are trying to connect to is down, or some other network issue. If still at the connecting phase, you could break from it and try again.
00:59<annadane>i don't know how you would reverse it in this case because the recommended progression is stable > testing > unstable, not the other way round
00:59<annadane>there's ways of fixing a system like that which i don't understand myself
00:59<annadane>(@paine)
00:59<digup>I'll just give it more time then.
01:00<annadane>i suppose purge the package and the other packages it pulled in (apt autoremove) and change the sources list back to what it does
01:00<annadane>then redo apt-get update
01:00<somiaj>Basic suggestion is never mix. If you run testing or run unstable, mixing packages from testing/unstable is sometimes needed to deal with bugs -- common practice, but only for testing/unstable, and after a new release very dangerous -- I only suggest this outside of the freeze.
01:00<annadane>s/does/was
01:00<somiaj>if you are running stable, you never want to add testing or sid sources, you want to compile your own packages (there are rare exceptions to this, but you really have to know the package you want to install)
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01:01<paine>I picked up the torlauncher package.
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01:01<annadane>so yeah that's what i'd suggest you do
01:01<paine>It seems it has been skipped by this version.
01:02<somiaj>,v torlauncher
01:02<judd>No package named 'torlauncher' was found in amd64.
01:02<annadane>get rid of it and the other packages, change your sources list back, redo apt-get update; unless someone has a better suggestion
01:02<somiaj>paine: what is the package name?
01:02<paine>"torbrowser-launcher"
01:02<somiaj>annadane: that is basically it, though one may have to make sure no libs got upgraded to sid's version when installing the new package.
01:02<somiaj>,v torbrowser-launcher
01:02<judd>Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports/contrib: 0.2.6-2~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.2.7-2
01:03<annadane>apt's log (found in /var/logs) should tell you if any packages got upgraded to sid
01:03<annadane>then you could downgrade those packages
01:03<somiaj>paine: the depends on that package (For the time) seem to be all met with stretch so you maybe okay with this single package. But now removes those sources.list entry and be careful about this in the future.
01:04<somiaj>https://packages.qa.debian.org/t/torbrowser-launcher/news/20170527T043909Z.html
01:04<somiaj>there are the bug numbers as to why the package was removed from stretch if you want more information.
01:04<annadane>i'm surprised towbrowser-launcher is in contrib
01:04<annadane>s/towbrowser/torbrowser
01:04<somiaj>This package will most likely be provided via stretch-backports in the future, but unsure on this.
01:05<somiaj>annadane: I'm not, it depends on non-free components, which is why it lives in contrib.
01:05<paine>somiaj: Oh, good idea.
01:05<annadane>i sort of assume anything of association to tor would be free software
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01:06<tacocat>which nonfree components? (curious)
01:06<somiaj>annadane: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751366
01:06<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/751366 in torbrowser-launcher (closed): «torbrowser-launcher: should be in contrib archive area (not main)»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-06-12; last modified: 2014-08-04.
01:06<somiaj>annadane: sorry, the issue may not be that tor is non-free, but things in debian main can only depend/install stuff from debian main. That package downloads something from outside of debian, and thus requres stuff not in debian main, so can't be part of debian main.
01:07<annadane>anyway, not like it matters
01:07<somiaj>tacocat: my mistake, I knew it downloaded stuff, I assumed it was non-free stuff, but no it just downloads stuff from outside of debian main, which is enough to not be part of debian main.
01:09<digup>Does stretch 4.9.30 kernel have the backported Ryzen support that came to 4.9.10?
01:09<somiaj>digup: your kernel is outdated.
01:09<somiaj>,kernels
01:09<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); buster: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-1)
01:09<somiaj>digup: oh nevermind, sorry, I thought 4.9.<newer than 30>, did you check the changelog?
01:10<somiaj>(got it confused with another kernel I was workign with today)
01:10<digup>I'm not sure where I would find it in the changelogs honestly.
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01:11<somiaj>digup: I don't see any metion of it with a quick search in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz
01:11<somiaj>digup: my guess is if upstream backports it to the LTS 4.9 kernel it might make it into debian, but I'm seeing no sign of that at this moment.
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01:12<somiaj>here is the upstream changelog - https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/ChangeLog-4.9.30
01:12<somiaj>digup: you may have to wait for the 4.10 kernel (or newer) to be provided by jessie-backports.
01:13<digup>Yea, I'm having a hard time finding any solid information on it.
01:13<somiaj>s/jessie-backports/stretch-backports/
01:16<digup>Even in the 4.9.10 changelog they don't talk about ryzen or multithreading. But I see a lot of sites reporting "This fix for the (Ry)zen SMT topology is in Linux 4.10 and was back-ported to Linux 4.9.10+ for those still riding the 4.9 kernel. "
01:16<digup>I'm pretty confused right now lol
01:16<somiaj>If they say it was backported to 4.9.10, then it should be in 4.9.30
01:17<digup>Hmm, guess I could run a few benchmarks to check if multithreading is really working.
01:18<somiaj>https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/ChangeLog-4.9.10 -- there is the 4.9.10 changelog, I didn't get anything from a quick grep
01:18<digup>Yea, I searched that also
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01:20<somiaj>since kernel.org uses git, maybe you can get the source you read about this being backported/added to a git commit hash, from that you can just see if the has was applied to 4.9.10 (or some other 4.9 version)
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01:38<rjsalts>Is there any way I could put a non-privileged ssh daemon that used libpam-pwdfile to authenticate and ran in chroot with forcecommand as only 1 user?
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01:40<rjsalts>I want to connect to a legacy service that uses telnet
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01:45<somiaj>rjsalts: chroots aren't considered that secure, maybe do this inside a vm and setup ipfrowarding?
01:46<rjsalts>somiaj: I don't think the attack surface warrants it
01:46<rjsalts>somiaj: with ForceCommand, being non-root user, etc.
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01:47<rjsalts>somiaj: I can't get it to work. I think it's because ssh is requiring a local account
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01:47<somiaj>Unsure on the details to achive what you want. What are you needing ssh for?
01:48<somiaj>don't people connect to this via telnet?
01:48<rjsalts>I want to wrap the telnet service inside ssh so that their connection can't be snooped
01:49<somiaj>maybe an ssh tunnel?
01:49<rjsalts>it's a mud daemon, so I didn't want to give users any other access
01:49<somiaj>shoulnd't need an extra unprivlaged ssh server for this.
01:50<somiaj>https://askubuntu.com/questions/48129/how-to-create-a-restricted-ssh-user-for-port-forwarding -- maybe something like that could achive your goal?
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01:51<rjsalts>it still requires that someone authenticate
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01:52<rjsalts>I either want no authentication, or authentication from libpam-pwdfile based on the player username/passwords in the game
01:53<somiaj>,v stunnel
01:53<judd>No package named 'stunnel' was found in amd64.
01:53<somiaj>,v stunnel4
01:53<judd>Package: stunnel4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3:4.53-1.1; jessie: 3:5.06-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 3:5.06-2+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 3:5.30-1~bpo8+1; buster: 3:5.39-2; stretch: 3:5.39-2; sid: 3:5.39-2
01:53<somiaj>http://bencane.com/2014/02/18/sending-redis-traffic-through-an-ssl-tunnel-with-stunnel/
01:54<rjsalts>stunnel doesn't use a standard ssh client such as putty
01:54<somiaj>What about something like that. Seems you can use stunnel to cause a secure connection, and then tunnel it to a local port (preferable) this way it is as if the connection is secure in terms of snooping, but the authentication...
01:54<somiaj>well stunnel will just forward the port, so if using telnet, any telnet client should be able to work
01:55<rjsalts>but the user, who is an arbitrary person on the internet, would need to install stunnel and configure it
01:55<somiaj>oh wait, I see the problem, telnet clients won't support this.
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01:58<somiaj>hmm, not sure on how to deal with the ssh authentication aspect.
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02:06<somiaj>rjsalts: another thought, some sort of web telnet client, this way users can connect to a page via https:// and then the telnet clinet connects to your mud on localhost and relays the info over https back to the user.
02:07<rjsalts>I have the technology for web wrapper
02:07<somiaj>though looking into getting ssh to allow authentication for a tunnel via your muds libpam password file maybe a solution, I wasn't able to find anything promising on that.
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02:08<somiaj>I didn't find a few web telnet clients out there, unsure on if there is any opensoruce ones that would be easy to configure/setup for this.
02:08<somiaj>I did (not didn't)
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02:31<Seb>hi fellows
02:32<Seb>apt-daily-upgrade.service -> loaded, but "inactive (dead)"
02:33<Seb>hrm sorry I meant apt-daily-upgrade.timer
02:33<Seb>how do I enable it ?
02:33<Seb>running systemctl enable apt-daily-upgrade.timer doesn't do much (still shows as inactive dead, and also not present in list-timers)
02:34<Seb>ok, "restart" did it
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03:11<RunningAwayFromCode>where can i see the content of the different dvds?
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03:13<themill>Unless you are doing hundreds of completely offline installs, you don't need them
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03:26<LinuxNinja>Best bet is to just use DVD-1.iso to do the install and most of the packages you need are on it. If you do need a package list, checkout the /dists/stretch/main/binary-amd64 directory. There is a Packages.gz that has the detail of every package on the disc.
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03:31<RunningAwayFromCode>can i fire up openvpn before installing over the network?
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03:32<RunningAwayFromCode>cool, thx
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04:03<LinuxNinja>If you boot from a LiveCD, I imagine you could install using openvpn. Are you trying to avoid a network block of some sort?
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04:05<bittin_>Hello, anyone know where i can find an iso for oldstable Debian 8.8? we have a system at work that likes 1 version older of Debian
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04:07<cef>bittin_: should be on the mirrors and also the main cd image site.
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04:09<LinuxNinja>you might have luck here: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/
04:09<LinuxNinja>main cd image site appears to only host stable
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04:11<LinuxNinja>https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/
04:11<LinuxNinja>iso images
04:11<themill>nope
04:12<themill>the package mirror network doesn't have iso images at all
04:12<bittin_>LinuxNinja: thanks :)
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04:12<bittin_>this link works thank you: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/8.8.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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04:28<olspookishmagus>so security.debian.org repositiries exist ONLY for stable release channel and maybe oldstable, right?
04:28<olspookishmagus>repositories*
04:29<themill>there is one for testing as well but it only very very rarely gets anything in it.
04:30<themill>wheezy is still there too, used by the wheezy-lts team
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04:32<olspookishmagus>themill: I'm getting a 404 for: deb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main
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04:34<olspookishmagus>duh... now it's working
04:34<gheorghe>debian just postez on FB that we should upgrade our systems now
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04:35<gheorghe> glibc-source libc-bin libc-dev-bin libc-l10n libc6 libc6:i386 libc6-dev libc6-i386
04:35<gheorghe> linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64 linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common
04:35<gheorghe> linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 linux-kbuild-4.9 linux-libc-dev locales multiarch-support
04:35<gheorghe>exactly as stated on FB, these have security updates
04:36<itd>dpkg: tell gheorghe -about paste
04:36<olspookishmagus>itd: oh come on he just pasted 3 lines
04:36<gheorghe>rules say that a max of 2 lines are allowes. he is right. i should hang.
04:37<olspookishmagus>oh I thought the limit was 3, sorry to interfere
04:37<olspookishmagus>getting news from debian from FB though...
04:37<themill>olspookishmagus: the target of security.d.o has been moved around a few times so far today. The combination of a glibc and a kernel update at the same time
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04:40<Kebianizao>Hi all
04:41<Kebianizao>Anyone is able to succesfully run /usr/share/doc/bubblewrap/examples/bubblewrap-shell.sh
04:41<Kebianizao>this is the bubblewrap package. I'm stranged that it's not working with: "execvp /bin/sh: No such file or directory" message
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04:44<themill>Kebianizao: that would probably indicate that a required library for sh is not available inside the container
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04:45<themill>it looks a bit like it assumes a merged /usr
04:47<Kebianizao>themill: you're right. I needed to --ro-bind /lib and /lib64
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05:00<gheorghe>this guy ... or girl whatever ... got debian 10 already: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lifewithdebian/permalink/10154726266608977/
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05:01<themill>people are welcome to think that
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05:12<RunningAwayFromCode>the current stable debian is 9
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05:17<gheorghe>exactly
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05:20<manofglass>Hello :)
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05:23<manofglass>Could anyone give me a hint how to resolve my problem? I installed new Stretch Debian on my PC but during boot of fresh installed system i bump into errors such as: Radeon kernel modesetting for r6000 and Failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw
05:24<manofglass>And system dont want to start
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05:24<lordievader>manofglass: Sound like you are missing firmware.
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05:24<lordievader>Is the linux-firmware package installed?
05:24<manofglass>yep i got to this point
05:25<manofglass>but i thought that debian installer could install whole firmware
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05:26<manofglass>i dont know how exacly install linux-firmware package without running os
05:27<manofglass>should I run shell in some kind of rescue mode?
05:28<grawity>boot with modesetting disabled (kernel option 'nomodeset')
05:28<grawity>that'll give you a plain text console
05:28<grawity>use that to install firmware
05:28<itd>manofglass: I guess the correct package name would be 'firmware-linux', also: the missing file is part of 'firmware-realtek', so you might want to install that as well.
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05:29<itd>manofglass: (And both of them are in 'non-free' so you have to enable that.)
05:30<RunningAwayFromCode>linuxninja: I am not sure if I can trust the local network administrator, so the only way I'd install an OS over this network is over a vpn.
05:30<RunningAwayFromCode>another option may be mobile broadband, but this seems less secure and harder to configure
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05:35<lordievader>itd: Ah, I'm never sure in which order the words should go, thanks.
05:37<itd>lordievader: You can ask judd if the package exists. ;) '/msg judd info linux-firmware'
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05:38<lordievader>itd: Thanks for the tip, I'm not (yet) familiar with the #debian bots.
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05:39<Donnarooma>fuck yourself
05:39<f0r3st133>агсл нщгыуда
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05:39<manofglass>when Im trying to install firmware-linux it responds as: pacake is missing, has been obsolete or is only available from anouther source
05:39<RunningAwayFromCode>!ru
05:39<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
05:40<Donnarooma>becouse you gomosectual man
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05:40<itd>manofglass: Did you enable non-free? Did you run 'apt update' afterwards?
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05:42<manofglass>itd: I tried to, even if Im on root account when im traying to open sources.list i got Permission denied
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05:44<itd>manofglass: Please paste the command you used and the complete output on paste.debian.net.
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05:50<manofglass>itd: I've open sources.list in nano and modifed all links by appending "contrib non-free" then apt-get update
05:50<manofglass>and trying to install firmware-linux or firmware-realtek but still dosent wokrk
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05:53<itd>manofglass: sources.list is '/etc/apt/sources.list', right? Using either sudo or is mandatory in this case. I don't know how you managed to boot now, but maybe / is mounted as read-only?
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05:54<parrot>hi
05:55<manofglass>yes it's /etc/apt/sources.list, I used superuser account and in fact I'm using rescue mode becouse i cant get to shell in other way
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06:13<manofglass>Finnaly I managed to run Debian :) thanks ofr help itd
06:13<manofglass>I had problem with one line at sources.list and installer wanted to download firmware from cd-rom instead of internet so it couldnt go on
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06:15<manofglass>anyway thank you for your time :)
06:18<Attila|da>hello. Is there any plan to make php5 available in debian 9 ?
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06:30<sherab>i downloaded and extracted a cinammon extension how do intall it onmy debian jesie?
06:32<towo^work>why you do that?
06:32<towo^work>why you don't use the extension manager?
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06:52<gtristan>So on my debian stretch, tty echos out "not a tty" when detatched from a tty
06:52<gtristan>but returns 0
06:52<gtristan>Isn't that incorrect ?
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06:53<grawity>how are you checking?
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07:54<Rory>I need some more help
07:54<Rory>I now have IWLWIFI suddenly shitting itself every five minutes
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07:55<Rory>[ 374.021592] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Could not load the [0] uCode section
07:55<Rory>[ 375.750100] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Failed to run INIT ucode: -5
07:55<Rory>Its calling card
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07:55<Rory>then suddenly Ifconfig doesn't see it's even there
07:56<Rory>iwconfig reports 'Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated'
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07:59<Rory>and now my wireless has died
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07:59<Rory>Please send help
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10:09<Rory>Allright
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10:10<Rory>I found the answer to my problem (at least for now, it works)
10:10<Rory>What you do is you install the intel microcode package, which seems to install something related to Ucodes (which IWLWIFI complained about not having)
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10:13<mason1920>hello
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10:17<mason1920>Could somebody help me, I got Debian 9 yesterday, and it keeps on shutting down. When I had Debian 8 I was able to get proprietary drivers for my graphics card, which fixed my problem. I can't do that in debian 9 because the driver doesn't support the latest version of x.org xserver.
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10:19<blast007>what GPU?
10:19<mason1920>AMD/ATI, R7 240
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10:21<blast007>have you tried installing firmware-linux-nonfree (or at least firmware-amd-graphics) and rebooting? Note that you'd have to enable non-free repos (edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "main" with "main contrib non-free" on each deb line, and then apt-get update)
10:21<mason1920>yes
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10:22<blast007>so when you say "shutting down" what do you mean exactly?
10:23<mason1920>The system crashes and powers off without any warning
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10:23<blast007>that doesn't sound like a driver issue then. sounds like a thermal shutdown.
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10:24<mason1920>after I did all that stuff you said, I got AMD Oland driver, but I need catalyst because that fixed it before.
10:24<blast007>or could be a bad/underpowered PSU perhaps
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10:26<tda>I want to use the rootless x when I upgrade to stretch. Are there any known issues when using KDE with GDM?
10:26<mason1920>and I also thought it was a thermal problem, until I spent an hour monitoring the temperature and it shut off 4 times when the temperature stayed 57-63 degrees
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10:26<DragomirPazura>Hi, how long does it take for initial stable release to get all day 1 bugs removed?
10:27<DragomirPazura>well, not all but the most annoying ones
10:27<mason1920>a while
10:27<blast007>mason1920: I don't know if fglrx will work with Debian 9. At least on Jessie, it supposedly didn't work with GNOME.
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10:28<mason1920>it worked with gnome, gnome didn't work without it
10:28<blast007>"This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop, as it does not support the EGL interface. It is recommended to use the free radeon driver instead."
10:29<blast007>(referring to Catalyst 14.9 that was packaged for Jessie)
10:29<TheW>radeon never worked for me
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10:29<TheW>at least with opengl
10:29<blast007>TheW: even after you installed the non-free firmware?
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10:30<TheW>hm, i think i didn't
10:30<blast007>the non-free firmware was required for 3D acceleration on most cards
10:30<TheW>good to know for the future
10:30<blast007>(via firmware-linux-nonfree on past releases and firmware-linux-nonfree or firmware-amd-graphics on Debian 9)
10:31<TheW>the future looks like a 9 right now
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10:31<TheW>thanks i will keep it in mind - to install nonfree firmware packages
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10:34<mason1920>wow, worked perfectly for me. Gnome was awful before I got catalyst. it would crash, studder, lag, and shut down the computer all the time.
10:34<mason1920>and the applications worked better
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10:34<mason1920>mostly opengl
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10:36<mason1920>What am I supposed to do now?
10:38<mason1920>is there any graphics card manufacturers that support GNU/Linux better?
10:38<sep_>intel ?
10:38<mason1920>noooooooooooooope!
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10:42<TheW>last time i checked people were saying nvidia cards work pretty good
10:42<TheW>but this was about two years ago i guess
10:43<TheW>*work pretty well
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10:44<dtw>Nvidia cards work well but the drivers are closed binary blobs. In the current stable non-free has drivers that run Geforce GTX 1080 cards.
10:45<mason1920>I'll keep that in mind when I win the lottery
10:46<mason1920>anyone here have a nvidia card with debian 9
10:46<dtw>I have.
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10:48<mason1920>on a scale of 1-10 how good do you think it's running 1 being the worst, 10 being the best
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10:49<dtw>10. Perfectly. Zero problems.
10:49<TheW>i couldn't notice a difference between windows and linux with my old nvidia card, but this was on debian 6 i guess
10:49<mason1920>probably now would be a good time to specify that my hard drive 'might' be have a problem too
10:50<mason1920>that also could be the reason of the shutdowns
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10:50<TheW>you could get a small ssd, it will also speed up your system
10:54<mason1920>it's possible I bought my hard-drive from people who "remanufacture" other hard drives from a whole bunch of different companies, and resell them.
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10:54<tda>I'm always using AMD or Intel. I don't want binary blobs and I'd prefer to support a company that's trying to offer free(ish) drivers. I've had too many problems with blobs in the past causing strange lockups or imposing strange limitations on other features i can use. mainline your drivers or gtfo
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10:56<tda>to be fair, i don't care about 3d performance. i build for virtualization capability
10:56<dtw>Closed source sucks but if one can tolerate that Nvidia's drivers do work nicely.
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10:58<mason1920>I still have no Idea what to do
10:59<TheW>at least they could publish basic open source drivers without the latest shiny gaming stuff
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11:01<mason1920>could anyone tell what this error means:
11:01<mason1920>firewire_ohci 0000:01:09.0: failed to read phy reg 2
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11:05<mason1920>Thanks anyway people of #debian. I'm going to make a half-life mod that replaces all the sound effects with my voice.
11:05<mason1920>if my computer doesn't shut down
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11:09<tda>the narcissism is strong with that one
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11:10<yuhlw>Hi, can someone tell me if *all* the security patches are done through the repository labelled "Debian-Security"
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11:20<itd>yuhlw: Security updates for packages in stable that were published after the release of stable are distributed via 'stable/updates'.
11:21<itd>yuhlw: So, depending on your definition of "*all the security patches", probably: yes.
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11:23<tda>i think it only covers main. if you have contrib and non-free you're at the mercy of the maintainer
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11:25<itd>tda: Ah, yes - you are right: https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib
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11:31<hank>so what should I do?
11:32<tda>ask something?
11:33<yuhlw>itd: so.. what exactly fall into debian-security ?
11:33<hank>I want to add a shortcut for Chrome browser. What is the shell command for opening an application?
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11:34<Blacker47>hank, just the name of the program. like "chrome"
11:35<Blacker47>without ""
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11:36<hank>ohh yes, it worked. Thanks @Blacker47
11:36<deliver>[ALT-F2] chromium
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12:48<TheW>i cannot find the sha256sum f0a87f42ba0090314a4d3e45afe43d7fe7c115305bed266fe51a650c58cf3cab in my SHA256SUMS file
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13:02<deliver>Try another one: https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
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13:05<desputin>Hi, I have am major upbrade problem ... stretch... https://paste.debian.net/972424/
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13:05<blast007>!localized errors
13:05<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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13:06<blast007>!bat
13:06<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:06<deliver>Desputin: hard stuff [apt-get -f install]
13:06<desputin>ok thanks. apt-get -f- install brings this:
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13:07<blast007>(hmm, though since it isn't a specific package, I'm not sure if the 'bat' factoid applies all that much)
13:07<mc68040>desputin: content of sources.list?
13:07<desputin>https://paste.debian.net/972427/
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13:08<deliver>Läuft nicht. Laß aml mit synaptic die l10n-de von kde weg
13:08<blast007>desputin: please put LC_ALL=C at the start of your commands so it generates output in English
13:08<blast007>sorry, that was for deliver
13:09<blast007>nope, I was right the first time >.<
13:09<deliver>He should try synaptic and delete kde-l10n-de, okay I unterstand, blast007
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13:10<desputin>hm, cannot copy sources list. System not working very well anymore :( but I only have deb.... debian stretch main contrib non-free. But I commneted out the other external sources too late, I'm afraid...
13:11<deliver>try apper
13:12<desputin>apper?
13:12<desputin>a gui program?
13:12<deliver>[ALT-F2 apper] yes
13:12<desputin>not installed :(
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13:13<blast007>desputin: this was an upgrade from jessie to stretch?
13:13<desputin>I can start synaptic, but not as root anymore....
13:13<desputin>yes
13:14<desputin>now my system is not working very well anymore
13:14<deliver>I have you opened a chat-windows and asked the same question in german, desputin
13:14<desputin>KDE still running but lots of programs not starting
13:14<blast007>what steps had you taken?
13:15<desputin>dist upgrade with old sources, chaged sources list stretch, dist upgrade again. but with external sources and multimedia sources
13:16<desputin>deliver: yes I tried a different irc before but there was nothing going on
13:16<deliver>There is something difficult happened during update, huihuihui. multimedia-deb.org?
13:16<desputin>blast007: now the external sources are commented out but I suppose too late
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13:16<deliver>If you have nonfree then it must be enough, there is vlc etc
13:17<desputin>should i take everythin out except for nonfree?
13:17<blast007>no
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13:18<blast007>!stretch sources.list
13:18<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
13:18<blast007>ensure you have those three lines (ending with "main contrib non-free" instead of just "main" if you've been using non-free packages)
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13:22<deliver>I be quite, three people with different information but the same knowledge to solve the problem. viele köche verderben den brei |german| too many cooks spoil the broth
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13:23<desputin>Now I only have those lines in my sourceslist
13:23<desputin>dist upgrade still not working and the error with apt-get -f install remains :(
13:23<desputin>ps I did an apt-get update before
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13:25<desputin>Isn't there a way to "reset" the dist-upgrade?
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13:26<deliver>Try this please, desputin [dpkg --configure -a]
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13:27<desputin>dpkg --configure -a: halted: too many errors
13:27<dpkg>wish i knew, desputin
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13:27<TheW>cat SHA256SUMS | grep f0a87f42ba0090314a4d3e45afe43d7fe7c115305bed266fe51a650c58cf3cb gives no result
13:27<TheW>even after downloading the file
13:29<TheW>maybe i should download it again?
13:29<TheW>the iso
13:29<deliver>desputin try another desktop like mate or lxde for working.
13:30<desputin>ah, you mean even though it's broken right now with KDE they still work?
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13:32<deliver>there is another login-manager, there could you change and delete old kde
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13:33<desputin>ok, I'll try that. Thanks...... Now I have to go eat something :)
13:33<deliver>It still works untill your next reboot
13:33<TheW>have a nice lunch
13:34<deliver>Your first pastebin was too much in output for solving
13:34<desputin>ok ... see you. Thanks again
13:35<TheW>i think this should be resolved, it looks nasty
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13:46<TheW>i have always wondered what is the best way to fix it when apt-get shows a lot of broken dependencies
13:46<TheW>usually i just reinstall if it is too much
13:47<Nemoder>you can let aptitude suggest a fix
13:48<TheW>in this case maybe upgrading the relevant packages could help?
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13:48<deliver>aptitude is intuitiv and easy to handle {ironie-modus} I never used it
13:49<TheW>but sometimes apt just does not let me do it
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13:52<somiaj>TheW: you shouldn't run into such issues if you use packages correctly built for the version of debian you are running
13:52<somiaj>!don't break debian
13:52<dpkg>dont break debian is, like, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
13:53<somiaj>TheW: in most cases (unless you run unstable and rarely in testing) you should not have dependency issues if you follow the advice on the DontBreakDebian wiki I linked.
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13:57<deliver>TheW what is with your checksum? Which download did you make?
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14:01<TheW>i downloaded debian9.0.0 and did cat SHA256SUMS | grep f0a87f42ba0090314a4d3e45afe43d7fe7c115305bed266fe51a650c58cf3cb on the checksum (it was calculated by sha256sum on the iso file)
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14:03<blast007>TheW: which specific ISO did you download?
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14:04<deliver>[jacksum] computes checksums, CRCs and message digests
14:04<TheW>let's see, it was debian-9.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
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14:05<blast007>you sure it wasn't 'cab' at the end?
14:05<blast007>f0a87f42ba0090314a4d3e45afe43d7fe7c115305bed266fe51a650c58cf3cab is in the SHA256SUM file for the DVD ISOs http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.0.0/amd64/iso-dvd/SHA256SUMS
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14:06<blast007>also, sha256sum has a -c option that will check your file for you
14:07<TheW>darn yes you are right - sorry!
14:07<blast007>(think you pass it the SHA256SUMS file instead of your ISO, and have the .iso in the same location)
14:07<TheW>should be cab indeed
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14:08<TheW>yay, it's a verified dvd!
14:09<blast007>great :)
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14:13<deliver>I never seen on any ftp-server such a long number where I looked for you. Usually this is md5sum 83253a530270e46a5d6e66daf3431c33 debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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14:15<kelly>hello
14:16<kelly>what is the fatest way to uprade debian 8.8 (jessie) to debian 9.0 ?
14:16<blast007>deliver: sha256 and sha512 are more commonly used now since collisions with md5 are pretty easy to generate
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14:17<TheW>yes, even sha-1 is considered broken now
14:17<deliver>Change the sources.list and update/upgrade uu
14:17<kelly>what is a good sources.list for upgrade to debian 9.0 ?
14:17<TheW>(but you need to invest about 100k$ per pdf document iirc)
14:18<kelly>i live in the netherlands so i need a dutch repository.
14:18<deliver>dpkg gives it: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
14:18<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, deliver
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14:18<localhorst>[achievement unlocked]
14:19<kelly>deliver : i don't understand
14:19<kelly>have you a example for upgrade to 9.0 ?
14:19<blast007>kelly: http://deb.li/OFVv
14:19<kelly>thanks guys
14:19<deliver>https://www.debian.org/CD/index.nl.html
14:20<kelly>normal i am very good with linux
14:20<kelly>but i am awake for 65 hours non stop....... pffff
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14:20<deliver>Take this in your /etc/apt/sources.list and delete the old sources.
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14:21<deliver>That's bad too much errors because unconcntration
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14:22<blast007>kelly: and as mentioned in the thing I linked you to, check the "Issues to be away of" https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html
14:22<blast007>aware*
14:22<kelly>ok.
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14:24<annadane>get some sleep too
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14:30<TheW>is it correct debian.org has a certificate by 'NoEncrypt'? I think it was something else in the past, but I may be wrong
14:31<TheW>Let's Encrypt I mean
14:31<TheW>NoEncrypt would be very suspicious :P
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14:31<DragomirPazura>nah, not really
14:31<DragomirPazura>reverse names are often fun :)
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14:56<Wegge>Have anyone else experienced the joy of having init.d/opendkim and ...sytemd/opendkim.service do two different things?
14:56<Wegge>And have a clean way of fixing that?
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15:00<itd>Wegge: No idea, but maybe bug 864162 is related to your woes.
15:01<Wegge>itd, Exactly the same issue
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15:01<yuhll>hi, I'm interested in using flatpack with buster. And I find myself behind my computer with no idea of which flatpak related package I should install. I'll bet on : gnome-software-plugin-flatpak
15:01<Wegge>Thanks for saving me from having to retype that
15:02<itd>Wegge: Glad to hear that. :)
15:02<itd>yuhll: buster is that way: #debian-next
15:02<Wegge>And now back to the next of N outstanding issues after upgrade
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15:24<user764>hello I just installed debian 9 onto my laptop last night and i was wondering why wifi doesn't show up, so i researshed it downloaded wicd and downloaded the nonfree iwlwifi firmware from debian's website, but it still doesn't recognise wifi, what do I do?
15:25<amacater>what does lspci say? Did you get any warnings about missing firmware on install?
15:25<jelly>user764: what's the pci-id or usb-id of your wifi card?
15:25<jelly>!what's my wireless
15:25<dpkg>Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>.
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15:26<user764>this is what lspci gives me
15:26<user764>lspci | grep -i wireless
15:26<user764>02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 (rev 93)
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15:26<mnuhmnuh>try lspci -nnk | grep -i network
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15:27<user764>lspci -nnk | grep -i network
15:27<user764>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 [8086:08b4] (rev 93)
15:30<user764>hello?
15:30<amacater>Looks like iwlwifi would be the right driver for that chipset. Did you install a .deb pckage
15:30<user764>I did apt install
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15:31<user764>should i have installed it fro the page?
15:31<jelly>,pciid 8086:08b4
15:31<judd>[8086:08b4] is 'Wireless 3160' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b4
15:31<jelly>judd: you suck!
15:31<blast007>do you have network access on that system right now?
15:31<amacater>apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi would have done it
15:31<jelly>,pciid 8086:08b4 --release stretch
15:31<judd>An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:32*jelly greps /lib/modules
15:32<user764>i use apt not apt-get it's more secure
15:32<jelly>user764: apt and apt-get come from same source
15:32<user764>i know
15:32<user764>but apt is up to date
15:32*amacater named apt for Debian :)
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15:33<user764>anyway
15:33<jelly>user764: they're exactly the same date
15:34<jelly>but yeah, iwlwifi drives at least _some_ cards with that pci id
15:34<user764>so i ran #apt install firmware-iwlwifi
15:34<user764>is that correct?
15:34<jelly>yes
15:34<jelly>but you need
15:34<jelly>!non-free sources
15:34<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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15:35<pavi[m]>I created new wifi network right clicking on connections and create new wifi network.
15:35<pavi[m]>It never gets shown as network in other devices.
15:36<pavi[m]>Another way I try doing the same is to edit connections and add new wifi on adhoc mode
15:36<amacater>Any desktop environment there?
15:36<user764>but i already have wifi
15:36<pavi[m]>The adhoc mode network I never get to enable
15:36<pavi[m]>I dont see it in available networks.
15:36<pavi[m]>I use XFCE
15:37<jelly>user764: and does it work?
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15:40<mnuhmnuh>user764: if it does work, consider editing https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi 'cause i don't see it there. :-(
15:40<yuhll>itd: thanks for the information.
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16:06<DragomirPazura>Myself I'll just delay update to stretch until all outstanding issues will be removed
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16:08<mnuhmnuh>DragomirPazura: you may be waiting forever.
16:08<DragomirPazura>I mean those that APT warns about before upgrading
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16:09<DragomirPazura>2 out of 4 are already fixed
16:09<mnuhmnuh>i think stretch is about the best debian or linux i've ever seen. :-) very happy with it here so far.
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16:10<DragomirPazura>Yep, it feels nice. I just had some issues with early upgrade
16:10<minces>hello...i have a problem in debian 8
16:10<enyc>mnuhmnuh: good, i've seen lots of upgrade issues grumbles form people.
16:10<DragomirPazura>So now I'm waiting a few days more to enjoy it
16:10<enyc>minces: problem not clearly defined
16:10<minces>wait
16:10<minces>Jun 20 17:07:32 priv kernel: [ 4300.671601] net_ratelimit: 14 callbacks suppressed
16:11<DragomirPazura>is there debian-oldstable channel?
16:11<minces>Jun 20 17:07:32 priv kernel: [ 4300.671605] Virtual device wlan0 asks to queue packet!
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16:11<minces>64 bytes from 192.168.15.1: icmp_seq=27 ttl=63 time=3.36 ms
16:11<minces>ping: sendmsg: Network is down
16:11<minces>whan i ping...
16:11<minces>when i ping...
16:12<mnuhmnuh>enyc: i was running testing/stretch and have left it so so far. works great. will upgrade to buster when it's up to speed.
16:12<minces>any idea ?
16:12<enyc>minces: wifi driver issues? ;-)
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16:13<minces>Do not know
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16:13<enyc>minces: triy obvious things, move close to basestation (better signal) ... check networking works just using ethernet cable instead ...
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16:14<enyc>minces: it may be you need differenc kernel version to work properly with tha particular wifi driver ... who knows
16:14<minces>Using only the cable does not problem
16:14<enyc>minces: ok useful to check
16:14<enyc>minces: whach kernel you running (see "uname -a" ) ?
16:14<mnuhmnuh>minces: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi help any?
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16:15<enyc>minces: and what wifi adapter (see lspci / lsusb, ought to be in there somewhere =) )
16:15<minces>Linux priv 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2+deb8u1 (2017-06-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux
16:15<DragomirPazura>minces: when was your laptop produced?
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16:16<minces>i dont know DragomirPazura
16:16<DragomirPazura>new or old one?
16:16<minces>2009 so so
16:16<mnuhmnuh>minces: try lspci -nnk | grep -i network
16:16<minces>2010
16:16<minces>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0032] (rev 01)
16:17<enyc>minces: hrrm atheros'es well mixed experience with them myself as with many brands!
16:17<enyc>minces: you COULD try installing the jessie-backports version of linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 ....
16:17<enyc>minces: (a 4.9 kernel variant), jsut to compare
16:17<tda>atheros is the brand i look for in wireless, linux support is very good.
16:17<enyc>i've still had weirdness wit both intel and atheros adapter tho
16:18<tda>maybe you need firmware for your device though
16:18<enyc>so, in one refurbed laptop, i have BOTH an intel and an atheros in there ;p
16:18<enyc>tda: if so i wouldn't expect it to work at all, before thats installed ???
16:18<DragomirPazura>minces, if you're fine with non-free software, you could try firmware-atheros package from non-free source
16:18<tda>firmware-nonfree
16:19<minces>What is the best way to go?
16:20<pavi[m]>Did anyone try wireless access point via Adhoc mode after stretch was released?
16:21<minces>update the kernel ?
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16:21<mnuhmnuh>minces: if new hardware, it may take devs time to support it, so non-free blob from mfgr is only solution.
16:22<DragomirPazura_>mnuhmnuh, minces has 7 years old laptop so no
16:22<minces>It's not new
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16:23<mnuhmnuh>DragomirPazura_: yeah, that ought to work by now. :-|
16:23<minces>Which way is faster / easier?
16:23<mnuhmnuh>firmware-nonfree
16:23<DragomirPazura_>installing non-free drivers seems to be the easiest solution
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16:24<mnuhmnuh>assuming it's not mis-configged somehow.
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16:25<minces> firmware-atheros (0.43) [non-free] this ?
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16:26<itd>minces: Yes. If that doesn't work you can try the one form jessie-backports as well.
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16:26<mnuhmnuh>aptitude show firmware-atheros
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16:27<minces>ok
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16:28<minces>Does not appear the model of my board exactly, only similar, can be?
16:28<DragomirPazura_>yeah
16:28<minces>ok
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16:28<DragomirPazura_>it's quite easy task so worth a try
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16:29<mnuhmnuh>and if it's not working now, it can't break anything. :-)
16:30<DragomirPazura_>except for richard stallman's approval lol
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16:32<minces>root@priv:~# dpkg -i firmware-atheros_20161130-2~bpo8+1_all.deb
16:32<mnuhmnuh>DragomirPazura_: even RMS says free/non-free was not intended to constrain end users, just thieving devs/mfgrs.
16:32<minces>Configurando firmware-atheros (20161130-2~bpo8+1) ...
16:32<minces>and ?
16:32<minces>reboot only ?
16:32<mnuhmnuh>lsmod | grep ath
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16:33<minces>https://pastebin.com/HJq6UGy0
16:33<mnuhmnuh>installing it ought to modprobe/enable it.
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16:34<minces>modprobe (whatname) ?
16:34<mnuhmnuh>looks like it's there. does it work?
16:36<minces>But it is working, it is an intermittent problem.
16:36<minces>How do I activate the new firmware? Modprobe (what name)?
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16:37<mnuhmnuh>should be activated. open NetworkManager applet and click it on.
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16:37<minces>I think I need to disable what I already have, right?
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16:38<mnuhmnuh>"journalctl -n 20" say anything ugly?
16:39<mnuhmnuh>you can have two (or more) net ifaces running at once with no prob.
16:40<mnuhmnuh>double, triple, ... your pleasure.
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16:41<minces>Jun 20 17:38:04 priv wpa_supplicant[750]: wlan0: WPA: Group rekeying completed with da:5d:4c:ce:70:70 [GT
16:41<minces>Jun 20 17:39:33 priv kernel: Virtual device wlan0 asks to queue packet!
16:41<minces>o_O
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16:42<mnuhmnuh>sorry, i just saw that "intermittent problem" bit. you'll have to test it some to see if it's an improvement, i guess.
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16:43<mnuhmnuh>should be.
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16:43<minces>I'm going to disable the ath, and I'll activate one by one, it might be a solution, right?
16:44<mnuhmnuh>i'd shutdown, disconnect wired, reboot, test, test, test, ...
16:44<minces>ok...see u later
16:44<minces>bye
16:44<minces>tks
16:45<mnuhmnuh>bon chance.
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16:47<frans>hello
16:47<frans>how does the debian 9 sources.list look like ?
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16:47<frans>i mean what are the repository's to upgrade from debian 8 to debian 9 ?
16:48<deliver>"deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
16:49<mnuhmnuh>frans: where you see "jessie", change it to "stretch".
16:49<frans>deliver can you make a example on pastebin.com of the debian 9.0 ?
16:49<itd>dpkg: tell frans -about jessie->stretch
16:50<deliver>It is to easy, hear on mnuhmnuh
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16:50<frans>hmm
16:50<frans>ok so the sources.list is:
16:50<frans>deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main
16:51<frans>deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main
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16:51<frans>deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main
16:51<frans>?
16:51<frans>like that deliver ?
16:51<deliver>yes
16:52<mnuhmnuh>looks great.
16:52<frans>ok so i must make my debian 8.8 jessie sources.list empty and put that in it ?
16:52<mnuhmnuh>assuming you don't need/want contrib & non-free.
16:53<deliver>If you need firmware take also: behind main : contrib non-free
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16:53<frans>and what is the repository of that deliver ?
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16:54<mnuhmnuh>frans: add "contrib non-free" to end of each line.
16:54<deliver>Everything stretch
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16:55<itd>frans: If you are unsure paste your result on paste.debian.net
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16:56<frans>this is how my debian 8.8 jessie sources.list looks like: https://pastebin.com/ENusQAXV
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16:57<deliver>This is the old one, work in it
16:57<deliver>Instead of jessie stretch, that's all folks
16:58<frans>deliver sorry to ask it but i am very tired can you please make a example for me how the debian 9.0 sources.list looks like on pastebin.com ?
16:59<deliver>I try it
16:59<Djon>I everyone, I use Debian testing and since the release of Stretch I have been having a key error for the security repository, is there anything I need to change or should I just wait a few days? Thanks!
16:59<frans>thank you deliver :) i wait :)
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16:59<frans>alot thanks.
16:59<mnuhmnuh>frans: just don't let it go FrankenDebian (jessie+stretch+*buntu+whatever ...).
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17:01<mnuhmnuh>Djon: error, or warning? W: can usually be ignored.
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17:01<deliver>https://pastebin.com/GTyCbAV9 it is amd64
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17:01<frans>thank you deliver :)
17:01<deliver>There for not
17:01<Djon>mnuhmnuh: it looks like a warning but it does say that the index wasn't updated
17:01<piper>Djon: the correct channel for testing is #debian-next, testing does get a little of seurity updates, but not much
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17:02<Djon>Ah I didn't see that, my bad
17:02<DragomirPazura_>Testing simply receives security updates when they pass through sid first
17:03<DragomirPazura_>so they're delayed
17:03<DragomirPazura_>Sometimes a week, sometimes a month of delay. It depends
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17:04<Djon>I was mainly wondering why the repository suddenly had that issue
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17:04<frans>deliver
17:04<frans>why the # before deb-src ??
17:05<piper>DragomirPazura_: sid really doesnt get security updates https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Does_sid_have_security_updates.3F
17:05<mnuhmnuh>Djon: stretch just went stable. smiple{sic].
17:06<mnuhmnuh>Djon: always a little noise happens during changover.
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17:06<DragomirPazura_>Well, it doesn't receive security backports from team. It just goes as is
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17:06<piper>If the maintainer of a package fixes a security bug and uploads the package
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17:06<DragomirPazura_>I understand
17:06<Djon>mnuhmnuh: my source.list has 'deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free', I guess my question is why is that an issue now and if I need to update anything manually?
17:06<piper>that s if
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17:07<deliver>frans the sources is code. Only for developer
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17:08<deliver>Thats the people who break their fingers by typing in code with emac
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17:08<piper>Djon: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch10.en.html#s-security-support-testing
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17:08<mnuhmnuh>Djon: i have "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main contrib", fwiw. same thing as you but i use codename, you use release ver.
17:09<frans>but deliver i must remove the # before the deb-src repo's ?
17:09<frans>i always do a fresh install with a burned .iso network install when a new release is released
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17:09<frans>but in this new laptop i have no cd-rom :(
17:10<frans>so the upgrade from 8.0 to 9.0 is new for me.
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17:10<Djon>mnuhmnuh: I have tried with buster instead of testing but it says the repo is not signed, and that's an error, I guess this answers my question
17:10<deliver>If you want to read in "source code", thats the binaries
17:11<frans>ok
17:11<mnuhmnuh>frans: remove the hash marks if you want to install sources and build your own apps.
17:11<frans>well i going to copy and paste it
17:11<frans>ok
17:11<frans>guys
17:11<deliver>Let's go. We are waiting
17:11<frans>where can i buy external cd-rom players ?
17:11<mnuhmnuh>Djon: yeah, i expect buster is still settling in. give 'em time.
17:12<frans>for working with burned cd's ?
17:12<deliver>Where do you live?
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17:12<frans>ok
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17:12<frans>i going to do it
17:12<frans>1 moment
17:12<deliver>Take USB-Sticks, they are cheaper
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17:13<mnuhmnuh>deliver: strongly agree! and sticks are rewritable!
17:13<DragomirPazura_>DVD-RW is rewritable too
17:13<DragomirPazura_>it's just slow
17:14<DragomirPazura_>and 1 disc is $1 while 8GB USB stick is around $4
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17:14<Djon>mnuhmnuh: I see, just for curiosity, what's a proper source:list for testing? I have the normal repo, security, and testing-updates. Should I include backports too?
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17:14<mnuhmnuh>in theory. "I'd like to live in theory. Everything works in theory."
17:14<DragomirPazura_>there are no backports for testing
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17:14<DragomirPazura_>Testing is a source of backports for stable releases
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17:15<mnuhmnuh>Djon: nothing wrong with backports, if you need 'em. supported by debian, so ...
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17:17<mnuhmnuh>DragomirPazura_: i think you're a better reader than i am. i keep missing people mentioning testing in #debian.
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17:17<deliver>#debian-next I send a link Djon
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17:19<mnuhmnuh>Djon: indeed, for testing/buster support, #debian-next.
17:19<piper>Djon: you could also try rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* && apt-get install debian-ports-archive-keyring and make sure your sources look like http://paste.debian.net/972465/
17:19<piper>ouch apt install not apt-get, well thats your choice
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17:20<piper>Djon: you could also try rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* && apt update && apt install debian-ports-archive-keyring fixed
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17:21<mnuhmnuh>piper: and they probably both work, and you need to be a dev to see any diff between the two.
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17:21<piper>mnuhmnuh: i do build my own
17:21<piper>dev has nothing to do with it
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17:22<frans>deliver
17:22<frans>it is busy with downloading packages
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17:24<deliver>Nice
17:24<frans>deliver
17:24<frans>this is my sourcest list now: https://pastebin.com/aENNgGgc
17:24<Djon>piper: I still get the key error, I guess I'll just wait a few more days, give them time to sort things out :)
17:24<frans>i removed the # before the deb-src repo's
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17:26<deliver>If you want this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/CodeCmmt002.svg/330px-CodeCmmt002.svg.png as an example in Java.
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17:27<deliver>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_code
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17:27<mnuhmnuh>frans: do you get a clean, happy, no errors output after "apt-get update" (or whatever you use; apt, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, [what else do we got?])?
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17:28<frans>i did this when i edited my sources.list:
17:28<frans>apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
17:28<mnuhmnuh>:-)
17:29<mnuhmnuh>assuming it works. :-|
17:29<frans>the debian 9.0 gives me 807 MB of packages
17:29<frans>yeah i think it works indeed
17:29<frans>oh i hate this kind of upgrading
17:29<mnuhmnuh>frans: you're upgrading jessie to stretch, yes?
17:29<frans>yes.
17:30<mnuhmnuh>expected.
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17:32<mnuhmnuh>frans: think of doing it over a ca. 1995 9600bps modem. it took days, and nights, and days, ...
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17:32<frans>yeah
17:33<mnuhmnuh>s/bps/kbps/
17:33<mnuhmnuh>woopie.
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17:43<Djon>Thanks for you time everyone!
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17:45<deliver>Alright have fun
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17:50<mnuhmnuh>deliver: re youtube, i will, and it's already funny even before looking at it. i also like "Golpe de Estado" en Espanol (coup d'etat). :-)
17:50<mnuhmnuh>google translate.
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17:54<frans>this upgrade is even big of the upgrade in my Kali Linux
17:54<frans>haha :)
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17:55<frans>it's still busy with unpacking .deb packages
17:55<deliver>You and your sources code packages. What do you want with kali? frans
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17:56<deliver>Hacking with testdisk and forensics-extra
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17:57<frans>i had Kali Linux for two years as main operating system to learn things in the pentesting tools , but i have take a break and if i take a break i take Debian as main operating system
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17:58<deliver>Kali is more complicated with his tools. Not for gamer
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17:58<frans>never mind.
17:58<frans>long story.
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18:06<annadane>hi
18:06<annadane>!ask
18:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:07<tony>its ok
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18:10<mnuhmnuh>or lurk, whatever. it's good for the soul. may even be educational.
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18:16<Saar>!quick question
18:17<Guest2920>Hello, I have a question linux 4.11.6 has already been pushed to unstable, yet my kernel is still 4.9.0
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18:17<Guest2920>How do I force upgrade?
18:18<Guest2920>I have already apt update && apt full-upgrade
18:18<frans>guys
18:19<frans>my apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade is done
18:19<frans>but now i have this: https://pastebin.com/zq7jVEAk
18:19<frans>what means that ?????
18:19<itd>Guest2920: Which debian version do you use?
18:19<Guest2920>Unstable
18:20<itd>Guest2920: Please ask in #debian-next
18:22<itd>frans: Looks "normal" (=known). See bug #783501.
18:22<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/783501 in idutch (open): «idutch: Gives a whole load of "Word 'x' contains illegal characters" errors when setting up»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-04-27; last modified: 2015-04-27.
18:22<frans>hmm ok
18:22<frans>thanks alot guys
18:22<frans>i going to reboot
18:22<frans>be right back :)
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18:36*EmleyMoor is 80% upgraded to stretch now, other than the aftermath work
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18:37<Amaze>does the parrotsec live disction opposed to the persistent/installed ver? only have a few of the op
18:38<itd>dpkg: parrot
18:38<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
18:38<Amaze>idk why chat cut half my txt out lol
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18:40<Amaze>are most live cd's different then the actual suite when installed? is that allowed to be asked xD
18:41<sney>Amaze: as dpkg just said, parrot is not supported here, please go to thecorrect channel
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18:43<frans>yep
18:43<frans>i have debian 9.0 now.
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18:44<frans>but i like the install with a CD more , but i don't have a cd-rom in this laptop , so i need this: https://www.bol.com/nl/l/optical-drives/N/7115/
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18:45<itd>frans: There are other means to install debian: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s04.html.en
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18:46<frans>i knw itd
18:46<frans>* i know itd
18:46<frans>i mean indeed a install with DVD or usb stick.
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18:46<frans>but at the moment i have only a USB stick with debian 8.8
18:47<frans>for my feeling a dist-upgrade feels always not pure
18:47<frans>but yeah it is now debian 9.0
18:48<frans>stupid windows 10 store sells me a brand new laptop without a CD-ROM drive for burning DVD'S
18:48<sney>every media technology eventually goes away
18:49<frans>......
18:49<frans>yep.
18:49<frans>and that pisses me off
18:50<frans>that microsoft don't want that people destroy windows 10 and install a Linux operating system on their laptop.
18:50<sney>I mean, of course they don't, but that hardly has anything to do with the death of optical media
18:50<annadane>i highly highly doubt that's why they do it, and i'm not a fan of microsoft
18:51<sney>you can fit much more on flash memory in a much smaller space for less expense. adios, discs
18:51<friki>frans: if the usbstick is a live distro, probably you can install 9.0 directly using debootstrap
18:52<frans>hmmm
18:52<frans>i must check that friki
18:52<frans>be right back
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18:52<friki>it takes a bit more of work, i know
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19:07<mnuhmnuh>friki: what? cp blah.iso /dev/sdWHATEVER i run tails on a box from a key. box won't stay up long enough (overheats) to install, but tails on key has no trouble.
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19:14<friki>mnuhmnuh: "<frans> but at the moment i have only a USB stick with debian 8.8" My point is that using this usb stick frans can install 9.0 directly (without install 8.8 + full-upgrade) trought debootstrap
19:16<friki>of course it's easier if frans can download netinst9.0 and dd to the stick :-)
19:17<piper>use netinstall dd if=debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=4M; sync
19:17<friki>using "expert install" i think there is an option to choose the suite (stable/testing/unstable)
19:18<piper>of course change sdd to whatever ;)
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19:19<friki>i've understood that frans doesn't want to "destroy" the current usbstick data (debian 8.8 iso)
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19:27<mnuhmnuh>friki: ah, yeah, cp wipes what on it and replaces what's there. but what's a 4 gb stick cost these days? a buck or two? less than a good cup of java these days.
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19:29<mnuhmnuh>far less than a pint of beer, or a highball.
19:29<EmleyMoor>Grand, my laptop is now on stretch... just this machine to do
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19:29<sney>not all debian users are in the first world, or have easy access to stores where you can get admittedly cheap flash media
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19:31<friki>mnuhmnuh: I am not evaluating Frans ideas, I am limiting myself to the problems restrictions ;-)
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19:31<mnuhmnuh>sney: well aware. i found an 8 gb stick in the gutter on the street. tried to give it back to its owner, they didn't care.
19:32<friki>sometimes you can't get internet access in miles, sometimes the stores are closed untill tomorrow...
19:34<friki>and why not, it's always funny installing debian in alternative ways
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19:36<mnuhmnuh>friki: i bought my first four usbkeys 'cause i read an article telling how to build a raid array out of them, and thought it was so cool i had to try it. it worked!
19:36<friki>dump the current data of usbstick to a temporal partition of HD, download 9.0 to usbstick, install the usual way, recover data to usbstick, mkswap on the temporal partition
19:37<piper>the live version is a iso-hybrid, so you can probably have it (iso) on another partition and boot from it live, install from there :)
19:37<azzamsa>which one the true debian channel, I see it on freenode #debian, and other in OFTC #debian. ?
19:37<annadane>this one
19:38<annadane>(OFTC)
19:38<friki>azzamsa: https://wiki.debian.org/IRC
19:38<mnuhmnuh>azzamsa: you're in the right place, assuming stable/stretch.
19:38<azzamsa>in freedone #debian there are 1654 people. so that channel is unofficial ?
19:38<gry>yep
19:39<mtn>azzamsa: but much busier, with mostly the same helpers, too
19:39<gry>lots of debian people hang out in both channels though, so it is not entirely separate
19:39<mtn>azzamsa: so, use either one you want to use ;)
19:39<azzamsa>mtn: yes, I see that channel more busier.
19:39<azzamsa>mtn: :), haha. thanks lot.
19:40<azzamsa>friki: thanks for the link
19:40<piper>or use both ;)
19:40<annadane>i have picked my side
19:40<annadane>death to the freenode heretics
19:40<azzamsa>annadane: thanks lot for answer.
19:40<annadane>(i actually wasn't even aware there was one on freenode. i guess i'll join that one too)
19:40<mnuhmnuh>azzamsa: if you're using testing or sid, #debian-next
19:40<piper>i used to be on both, not much anymore
19:41<azzamsa>thanks for all your contribution to Debian. this is my only Os for more than 4 years. I hope I can contribute soon.
19:41<mnuhmnuh>have fun.
19:41<azzamsa>mnuhmnuh: no, I use stable branch.
19:42<azzamsa>mnuhmnuh: thanks! :)
19:42<azzamsa>azzamsa: tomorrow is my first holiday for 2 months long. I want to learn debian packaging.
19:43<mnuhmnuh>azzamsa: #debian-mentors
19:43<azzamsa>actually it easier to learn trough videos, but I can't find debian new maint guide on youtube :9
19:43<azzamsa>so I have to read maint-guide.en.pdf
19:44<azzamsa>I joined debian-new-maint
19:45<azzamsa>I hope when I can afford new machine on following months, and accepted as maintainer. i will make a screencast for new maintainer . this is my dream
19:46<gry>welcome :)
19:46<azzamsa>cause my laptop is very very old.
19:46<azzamsa>gry: thanks lot, :)
19:47<gry>My laptop is from 2010, with 1gb of ram, no issue though :)
19:48<mnuhmnuh>azzamsa: note if you'd be more comfortable using another language, there's lang specific channels; up to you. i understand you, so carry on.
19:48<azzamsa>gry: my laptop is intel celereon. I think I need more time for compiling things. and also I use some heavyweight IDE's for some task. so I really have to grab new one.
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19:49<gry>right :)
19:49<azzamsa>mnuhmnuh: you mean debian local community ?, in my country as long as I search, I just find one DM and no DD.
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19:50<mnuhmnuh>geez, i'm having a problem even remembering celeron ...
19:50<mnuhmnuh>azzamsa: no, i mean there's eg. #debian.de, #debian.es, ...
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19:51<azzamsa>mnuhmnuh: yes, I understand. and debian.id is really quite :(
19:52<sduran>can somebody help me with a monodevelop (stretch) question?
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19:52<azzamsa>actually I really want to held deb-mini conf. but my technical understanding is very low. for now I just understand about lisences and FS history and ideology
19:54<azzamsa>mnuhmnuh: you know I am not using english as my fist language because of my poor vocabs ? :). sorry. yes I come from Indonesia. the one I know here after seraching for long, just one debian maintainer. named mhy.
19:55<mnuhmnuh>azzamsa: may want to do some research on wiki.debian.org, perhaps? lots of good info there, maintained by users and devs.
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19:55<piper>,monodevelop
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19:56<piper>sduran https://packages.debian.org/stretch/monodevelop
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19:56<azzamsa>mnuhmnuh: yes, thanks lot. around 5 months ago, I start searching DM here. and pabs in debian-welcome point me to debian wiki id.
19:56<azzamsa>mnuhmnuh: thanks lot for information.
19:57<piper>!just ask
19:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:57<mnuhmnuh>i wondered what "id" meant. didn't recognize it. welcome.
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19:57<azzamsa>thanks lot everyone, this really warm communiy. thanks lot
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19:57<azzamsa>id = indonesia. debian-id
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19:58<sduran>I am running monodevelop on stretch, it only has target frameworks of 4.5+, but I hit an issue when running the resulting exes in older versions of mono, because of a problem missing Array.Empty, so I want to make sure monodevelop compiles against mono 4.0, how can I do this?
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20:00<sduran>Additionally, older versions of mono cannot be compiled in stretch out of the box, are there any precompiled packages of older versions of mono?
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20:01<piper>!backports
20:01<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
20:01<piper>sduran ^^^^ maybe
20:01<piper>i really don't know
20:02<sduran>thank you for trying, but that's a little backwards, I would need to install jessie packages on stretch, but I don't want to overwrite the existing runtime, I want to be able to have multiple runtimes.
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20:03<piper>that would be a frankendebian :)
20:03<azzamsa>sduran: why don't you compile the package (from jessie) yourself if you want to have multiple runtimes.
20:03<azzamsa>but as piper said, it's bad approach.
20:03<sduran>azzamsa: because older versions of mono have troubles compiling with newer versions of gcc, as far as I've gattered.
20:04<piper>!frankendebian
20:04<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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20:05<azzamsa>sduran: I am sorry, but why don't you want to upgrade your mono ?
20:05<azzamsa>piper: so long time ago I have frankendebian OS.
20:06<sduran>I compile the application on my dev device and the exes have to run of different computers, with different versions of linux, with older versions of mono.
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20:06<sduran>I need the dev box to be able to compile targetting the environment of the older versions, this was fine in jessie, but I bumped into somepproblems in stretch
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20:08<azzamsa>sduran: have you tried installing from stretch backports ? as piper suggest. maybe you can install new mono and ggc from there with newer version
20:08<sduran>but I need an older version, not a newer version :(
20:09<piper>talk to the dev ;)
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20:09<azzamsa>sduran: the old version of mono and new ggc right ?
20:09<azzamsa>sduran: actually I want to suggest you to ask to mono upstream.
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20:10<sduran>I tried, but the irc channel is dead
20:11<gry>ask them on a mailing list
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20:12<azzamsa>sduran: you mean this project right ? https://github.com/mono/mono
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20:12<sduran>I will try the mailing list, thank you gry
20:14<azzamsa>sduran: if you mean "mono" is that project. the lastest commit is 5 minutes ago, by mean they contributors are very active. the have gitter and mailing list. http://www.mono-project.com/community/
20:14<azzamsa>hope it help :)
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20:15<sduran>thanks :)
20:15<azzamsa>sduran: you are welcome.
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20:22<BrainError404>Why I cannot update gimp from debian security?
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20:23<BrainError404>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b209ce26/
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20:28<piper>BrainError404: does apt-mark showhold show anything ?
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20:29<mnuhmnuh>BrainError404: you have held broken packages. i'd (guessing) uninstall/purge the broken ones, then reinstall them, then gimp ought to come in clean, but i'm guessing.
20:29<piper>hmm, your the one that was running a frankendebian
20:29<mnuhmnuh>BrainError404: assure your /etc/apt/sources.list is sane before doing anything.
20:29<BrainError404>piper: DOesn't show anything
20:29<BrainError404>*Do
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20:30<piper>what does apt -f install say
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20:31<piper>i have no problem in sid with this package sorry i am not in stable
20:32<BrainError404>piper: same thing
20:33<jelly>,v libgimp2.0
20:33<judd>Package: libgimp2.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.2-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.8.2-2+deb7u2; jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u1; stretch: 2.8.18-1; sid: 2.8.20-1; buster: 2.8.20-1
20:34<BrainError404>there isn't "stretch-security"?
20:34<jelly>bot needs updating a bit
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20:35<blast007>or the package doesn't exist in there yet
20:35<BrainError404>blast007: the version of gimp I tried to update is from stable-security
20:35<mnuhmnuh>BrainError404: if you're running frankendebian (mixed up sources.list), it's borked. a wizard may be able to make it continue, but re-install's a *much* better choice for us mortals.
20:35<jelly>!bat
20:35<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
20:35<BrainError404>since i'm in stretch...
20:36<jelly>BrainError404: ^^ provide _all_ the info
20:36<jelly>but it sounds you have a version of "gimp" that's not available anywhere
20:37<jelly>(that is, you may have had testing and/or unstable and/or experimental repos enabled at some point in the past, disabled them since, but that's not enough to repair the damage)
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20:39<BrainError404>oh
20:39<jelly>BrainError404: gimp (2.8.18+git32424-27604f5-1) is not supposed to have ever existed in stretch
20:39<BrainError404>I tried to solve from synaptic
20:39<BrainError404>it worked
20:39<piper>BrainError404: I doubt this will help, your sources were screwed yeasterday and that probably screwed you you could try apt install --reinstall gimp --install-recommends
20:39<BrainError404>jelly: I will explain, now I remember why
20:40<BrainError404>Much time ago I used another repo, notesalexp.org
20:40<BrainError404>And at that time I updated packages from here
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20:40<BrainError404>the repo has also gimp
20:41<mnuhmnuh>BrainError404: backup or copy off important info/data, and re-install. once done, it'll be better, you'll love it, and predictability is nice. clean updates are very enjoyable.
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20:42<BrainError404>mnuhmnuhmnuh: I've done too much things and edit to settings to do it :/
20:42<piper>BrainError404: you have been told quite a few times here to not mix repo's, the past couple of days
20:42<BrainError404>piper: I've done this after the first time I went on #debian...
20:42<mnuhmnuh>exspensive (sp?!?) education. good for ya.
20:43<BrainError404>I learned later that it's not good to mix repo
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20:45<mnuhmnuh>BrainError404: i know about all that config editing hassle, been there, wrote the book, but some times ya got to just say "my bad" and start over. :-P
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20:46<mnuhmnuh>trust me, on the other side, it'll be cleaner, less worries, ...
20:46<BrainError404>mnuhmnuh: not my case, I've done too much edit on settings and custom things to start from zero, and btw (for my luck) that repo wasn't much large ;)
20:46<mnuhmnuh>you may lose stuff, but compared to what you gain, you'll be ahead.
20:48<BrainError404>What's better, gdm3 or lightdm?
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20:49<mnuhmnuh>BrainError404: at least you won't be losing terabytes of hard collected, seriously expensive data. config settings? ptheh.
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20:50<BrainError404>mnuhmnuh: My data are in another partition :-D
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20:50<mnuhmnuh>i'm not impressed w lightdm, m'self, but it works.
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20:50<__vr>Hey all. I am using Debian Stretch and I want to have a dummy Ethernet interface created on boot and to assign the MAC & IP, as shown in this 2nd posting : https://www.centos.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=53233 . What is the "right" way to do that in Stretch?
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20:54<BrainError404>nautilus uses templates from ~/Templates, right? Why nautilus in jessie accept as a template directory a simbolic link and nautilus in stretch not?
20:54<annadane>BrainError404, "what's better" questions should probably go in #debian-offtopic
20:54<BrainError404>annadane: sorry
20:54<annadane>(because it's a subjecive matter)
20:55<BrainError404>I will try to remember it next time
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20:56<fisque>hello/hola?
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20:57<mnuhmnuh>__vr: i don't see anything in there which _obviously_ won't work on debian. have you tried it, and what're the results? or are you looking for a way to automate it (make it happen automatically)?
20:58<annadane>hi, fisque
20:59<__vr>mnuhmnuh: I didn't try it on Debian yet, I'm going to create an rc.local script to do it
20:59<__vr>I was wondering if I should mess with the /etc/network/interfaces way of doing that, but I found that problematic in the past
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21:05<mnuhmnuh>i do wonder why 127.0.0.N or 192.168.0.N wouldn't serve the same purpose (but i'm no network "guru" (i _hate_ that word)). shouldn't your router handle !@#$ like this for you?
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21:06<mnuhmnuh>as in, why make linux do it?
21:07<mnuhmnuh>or maybe i should just get some sleep ...
21:07<gry>yes router handles this for you using dhcp
21:07<gry>the 192.168.0.N bit
21:08<gry>the 127.0.0.1 bit is localhost, it's the same for everyone and a router doesn't need to know it
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21:08<mnuhmnuh>what i thot
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21:10<fisque>hello?
21:10<gry>hi, fisque
21:10<fisque>I new
21:10<mnuhmnuh>fisque: welcome back.
21:10<gry>fisque, i am new too
21:11<fisque>I dont speack ingles..
21:11<fisque>very basic
21:11<annadane>you can ask if you have any support questions here, or there's a spanish channel - #debian-es
21:11<fisque>Tenquiu!
21:12<mnuhmnuh>i *only* speak english, so you've got more that i have.
21:12<mnuhmnuh>s/that/than/
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21:12<fisque>okay
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21:16<MichaelP>Debian 9 is not showing me anything good so far... netinstall 2 takes on download and aking bootable usb stick.. not boot... live usb can't find installer in live mode... gui and text mode installers will not make it past copping cdrom files when i on usb
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21:18<sney>MichaelP: some people have had good results installing 8.8 with only the standard system utilities and doing an in-place upgrade.
21:18<sney>I agree some quirks have snuck into the installer. bugs have already been filed
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21:19<MichaelP>so 9 installer was better in beta and rc
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21:21<mnuhmnuh>MichaelP: i've heard install from livecd is failing many.
21:21<MichaelP>mnuhmnuh: not only live.... the netinstall will not even boot for me
21:22<__vr>OK. I'm trying to troubleshoot a system-d issue with rc.local . The /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service file is present and I did a systemctl enable but I'm getting an error about unit files have no installation config ... do I also need a file in /etc/systemd/system ??
21:22<__vr>systemctl enable rc-local
21:22<mnuhmnuh>MichaelP: suggest copy iso to usbkey or DVD and go from there.
21:22<MichaelP>mnuhmnuh: i made bootable usb
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21:23<thebouzouker_>cant install asus radeon r7 240 4gb oc on Debian 9 x64
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21:24<MichaelP>guess i will just grab testing 10 netinstall.... see if it works
21:25<mnuhmnuh>MichaelP: should work. I used the same iso to install on my system pre-change (last week, prior to stretch going stable).
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21:26<piper>i installed today from usb dd if=debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=4M; sync i had no problems (kde)
21:27<MichaelP>i used imagewriter on arch to make my usb
21:27<__vr>Not trying to be inflamatory, can I get a bit of help with systemd and rc.local ? I'm running a fairly vanilla installation of Debain Stretch
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21:28<sney>__vr: I don't have an answer for you but someone else might, just be patient
21:28<thebouzouker_>has anyone installed asus radeon r7 240 4gb oc on Debian 9 x64?
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21:29<sney>thebouzouker_: you likely just need to install the firmware-amd-graphics package
21:30<mnuhmnuh>doesn't systemd deprecate (ignore) /etc/init.d/*everything* unless sledgehammers are applied? i may be confused on this.
21:31<thebouzouker_>sney i tried to but it says that is an unsupported OS
21:31<sney>thebouzouker_: what said that? what exactly did you try.
21:32<thebouzouker_>could u please show me a guide...maybe i am doing somthing very wrong
21:32<__vr>mnuhmnuh: I created a file in /etc/rc.local which is all I want to be executed .
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21:33<sney>thebouzouker_: there is a driver for your gpu built in to the linux kernel, but it needs the firmware package 'firmware-amd-graphics' from non-free to enable acceleration features. you do not need to download anything from the amd website
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21:34<thebouzouker_>sney : what command do i use?
21:34<mnuhmnuh>__vr: yeah, i know, i used to use one myself (enable serial long after serial mice were deprecated) but systemd does things other ways. research.
21:34<__vr>Unless systemctl comes with some simple GUI to "add" rules in and out, it seems like yet another hodge podge of crap
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21:35<piper>mnuhmnuh: sometimes i still have to use /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart when systemctl restart mythtv-backend.service don't work
21:35<__vr>Well let's see if this fix worked ; I think I had to add a simlink to the multi-user.target : http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/etc-rc-local-and-systemd-td3338784.html
21:36<sney>dpkg: tell thebouzouker_ about non-free sources
21:36<piper>it's not often, but still a pain in tha @ss
21:36<sney>thebouzouker_: please do not private message people without permission. the dpkg bot just sent you a message to help you enable non-free. after that, you just 'apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics' and reboot
21:37<piper>__vr did you have a message about symlink when you used systemctl enable xoxox
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21:39<piper>ah dinner is done
21:39<thebouzouker_>ive already changed sources.list. maybe i wrote the wrong command. I think ill try AGIN
21:39<mnuhmnuh>__vr: "journalctl -n 20" is your friend. :-)
21:39<boonix>Dumb question. If my processor is 64 bit, do I need to download the amd64 image?
21:39<boonix>Even though it's an Intel processor?
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21:41<mnuhmnuh>boonix: yup, amd invented 64 bit, so amd64 everywhere! bite me intel, try to keep up.
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21:41<boonix>Oh :x
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21:42<boonix>Well, the reason I ask is because I want to be able to utilize all of my RAM. Not just 2GB of it..or whatever. Apparently, this Windows installation is only allowing me to use 1.86GB of 4GB of RAM.
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21:42<sney>thebouzouker_: after updating sources.list you need to run apt-get update
21:43<mnuhmnuh>funny. i thought DEC Alphas were seriously cool. what'd i know?
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21:43<thebouzouker_>sney i did this and i had a wierd message that sais Unsupported OS
21:44<sney>thebouzouker_: please copy your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net/ and link here
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21:45<frans>hey guys
21:45<frans>it did't work
21:45<thebouzouker_>i sure would love to but i have to go. Ill try the command you told me. Speak to you tomorrow.Thank u all
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21:46<frans>what was the sources.list of debian 9.0 again ?
21:46<frans>because now i have debian 8.8 jessie again pffff
21:46<frans>the USB with debian 8.0 installed NOT debian 9.0
21:46<frans>i tried to manipulate it but it did't work
21:47<mnuhmnuh>frans: what didn't work? >:-| explain?
21:47<frans>dpkg : tell sources.list debian 9
21:48<mnuhmnuh>just kiddin'.
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21:48<sney>!tell frans -about stretch sources.list
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21:51<frans>sney can you put a example of the debian 9 sources.list on pastebin.com ?
21:52<sney>the dpkg bot just told you what lines to use, is there something you need help understanding?
21:53<boonix>Is there a significant performance difference between 32 bit and 64?
21:53<sney>not noticeable in most cases
21:53<frans>sney , this is how my debian 8.8 jessie sources.list looks like: https://pastebin.com/RUS5ym5p
21:54<frans>sney , i must remove EVERYTHING in that list ?
21:54<sney>frans: if you change that list so where it says "jessie" it says "stretch" instead, that will be fine
21:55<boonix>Will the (almost) 4GB DVD iso of the latest stable release contain a window manager?
21:55<frans>hmm ok
21:55<frans>moment
21:55<sney>boonix: yes, dvd1 should contain the gnome desktop
21:56<boonix>Fantastic.
21:56<frans>sney , do you know when debian 9.0 is to buy on osdisc.com ?
21:56<sney>boonix: however, it's recommended to use the netinstall, because DVD1 also contains a lot of popular server packages that you probably won't use, so you will download less overall
21:56<frans>as USB stick ?
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21:56<sney>frans: I have no idea
21:56<sney>why don't you ask them?
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21:56<frans>that is a nice fresh install :)
21:57<boonix>Well, there's a problem there, sney. I can only use a wireless connection to the xfinitywifi hotspot, and I have to change my MAC address every hour to continue using free one-hour passes.
21:57<frans>i don't like apt-get dist-upgrade , it feels not as a pure install for me
21:57<__vr>Ok let's see if the this systemd crap works
21:57<sney>boonix: ah, fair enough. carry on then
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21:57<sney>frans: there is almost 0 difference but you do you
21:57<boonix>Won't I be able to select the packages from the DVD that I wish to install?
21:58<boonix>I'm actually installing Debian to have a better scripting environment for web development.
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21:58<sney>boonix: you will, you just definitely don't need all 4.7GB worth of packages on the DVD
21:58<boonix>Word. Anything in particular for wireless drivers?
21:58<boonix>I don't even know if people still use ndiswrapper...?
21:59<frans>boonix : the netinstall .iso of debian is much better , but you need a fast and good internet connection
21:59<sney>I sure hope not. most wifi devices are supported by kernel drivers, many of them need firmware from non-free but this is relatively easy to get
21:59<sney>some broadcom nics are a pain but we have howtos
21:59<boonix>Well, my father had a decent connection. About 50mbps. But eh, I guess he didn't pay the bill. That's why I'm having to use this xfinity hotspot.
22:00<boonix>Poor folks problems.
22:00<frans>:(
22:00<frans>not good feeling man
22:00<frans>i know how that feels.
22:00<boonix>Yea, it was either the Internet or crack cocaine.
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22:00<boonix>Crack won this round.
22:00<frans>ha :)
22:00<boonix>>:D
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22:04*mnuhmnuh wonders why everyone doesn't just go to Starbucks (or A&W or MickeyD's) to slurp ISOs off their wifi if they don't have their own connection. it's part of what you pay for and they don't care.
22:05<frans>sney , screenshot of my debian 9.0 sources.list dpkg has telled me: http://imgur.com/a/NS0MW
22:06<sney>that should work frans
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22:07<frans>even without the # cd rom lines , sney ?
22:07<sney>lines beginning with # are comments and are ignored by apt
22:07<frans>ok.
22:07<frans>pffff
22:08<boonix>mnuhmnuh: because I can stay at home and use xfinitywifi. I get about 3mbps downstream during the day and about 30mbps at night. But, it only lasts for an hour and I have to reset :x
22:08<frans>i had Kali Linux for two years as main operating system and since two weeks i have debian so it is back in time for me :)
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22:09<frans>i have take a break with Kali Linux , i think i start with Kali after the summer again.
22:09<boonix>What happened to the, like, huge ArchLinux craze a few years ago? Is it still popular?
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22:10<frans>jesus christ i even dream about linux operating systems lol :P
22:10<frans>well sney , i going to upgrade
22:10<frans>hope it works
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22:11<frans>ok here i go
22:11<__vr>OK, systemd & rc.local work now with the symlink
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22:14<mnuhmnuh>frans: i live OSs. they're all that matter to me. i assume my boxes are the first Culture Minds (ian m banks) and it all started with me and my hardware! :-)
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22:15<frans>good and nice job mnuhmnuh :)
22:16<frans>we all love LINUX here :)
22:16<frans>be right back
22:16<frans>i going upgrade now to debian 9.0
22:16<mnuhmnuh>i'm hoping, and what the hay?
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23:21<frans>sney
23:21<frans>the upgrade from debian 8 to debian 9 was great :)
23:22<frans>while the upgrade in terminal was busy i did my best to check every line
23:22<frans>two things where strange for my feeling
23:22<frans>systemd alert and python3 removing alert
23:23<frans>debian 9.0 looks great!
23:24<frans>uname -a : 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u1 (2017-06-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux
23:26<frans>lsb_release -a : No LSB modules are available ,, Distributor ID: Debian ,, Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9.0 (stretch) ,, Release 9.0 ,, Codename: stretch
23:26<frans>seems good
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23:33<frans>i need help
23:33<frans>i have installed VMware workstation player and i have this problem now:
23:33<frans>screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/yX0yp
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23:39<frans>dpkg : gcc version 6.3.0
23:39<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, frans
23:39<frans>lol
23:40<frans>dpkg : gcc
23:40<dpkg>The GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) is a compiler system supporting various programming languages. In order to change which version it should use, "export CC=gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. See also <gcc-doc>. https://gcc.gnu.org/ #gcc on irc.oftc.net.
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23:56-!-MichaelP is "Mike" on #debian-kde #debian
23:57<MichaelP>Where can i find conky-manager at ?
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