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00:47<annadane>,v conky-manager
00:48<judd>No package named 'conky-manager' was found in amd64.
00:48<annadane>uh... don't know?
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01:34<gheorghe>frans: install gcc and try again ^^
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01:36<Tolki>Hello guys! Name's Tolki, and I'm having some trouble with Debian firewalls at the moment
01:37<boonix>Is Gnome's package manager software total garbage?
01:37<Tolki>I have 2 Debian VPS that I use as VPNs for various usages, and tried setting up a 3rd one. Unfortunately, I'm facing a problem : I can't connect to the internet once I'm connected to the VPN.
01:38<Tolki>I am using UFW as my firewall and here is what I get from ufw status verbose
01:38<Tolki>Status: active
01:38<Tolki>Logging: on (low)
01:38<Tolki>Default: deny (incoming), allow (outgoing)
01:38<Tolki>New profiles: skip
01:38<Tolki>To Action From
01:38<Tolki>-- ------ ----
01:38<Tolki>22 ALLOW IN Anywhere
01:38<Tolki>1194/udp ALLOW IN Anywhere
01:38<Tolki>22 ALLOW IN Anywhere (v6)
01:39<Tolki>1194/udp ALLOW IN Anywhere (v6)
01:39<Tolki>Can anybody confirm that it is indeed the right configuration to have for using OpenVPN ?
01:41<boonix>dpkg
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01:42<Tolki>Sorry, will use debian paste next tame
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01:44<Tolki>Here the output of my ufw status verbose
01:44<Tolki>http://paste.debian.net/972508/
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01:47<techsmart>hi all
01:47<Tolki>hi
01:47<techsmart>im a new here
01:47<Tolki>In broader terms, is anybody here familiar with using OpenVPN on a Debian server ? I don't want to get too verbose on the channel.
01:48<techsmart>i dont understand
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01:54<Tolki>Ok, I resolved my problem. I guess venting here helped me find strenght to find the solution. OpenVPN usually uses network interface eth0 , but venet0 was used on the server...
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02:22<Phil_>My jessie is getting security updates for stretch. The sources.list entry is "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free". What should it be?
02:22<annadane>can you post your sources list and "apt-cache policy" to paste.debian.net, Phil_?
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02:23<annadane>because that shouldn't be happening far as i can tell
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02:29<Phil_>Posting 972511 - it shows stretch in police but not sources.list I think.
02:29<Phil_>policy*
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02:34<annadane>well, can you post your output so we can see for sure?
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02:35<Phil_>Posting 972512 - apt-get update run
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02:38<Phil_>The original lines I had in sources.list are commented out but not all were uncommented when the problem appeared. I assume the list has been stored somewhere or is a side effect of pinning?
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02:42<annadane>oh, sorry. generally "post to paste.debian.net" also means post the link in here
02:42<annadane>let me look for it
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02:43<annadane>so yeah, https://paste.debian.net/972512 if anyone else wants to look at it
02:43<annadane>also, i'm not sure i understand your question
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02:44<annadane>also https://paste.debian.net/972511
02:44<Phil_>I have found a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch.list that I did not know I had and that should not exist
02:44<annadane>oh. uh. weird
02:44<Phil_>So I assume that is the cause. I will rename it and start again.
02:45<annadane>okay. i'm actually not sure what the issue is
02:45<annadane>maybe someone else has a better idea
02:46<annadane>(i would also assume that's the cause)
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02:46<Phil_>The sources.list file has been extended with files under sources.list.d recently(?) and somehow someone has placed a stretch lsource in there >.<
02:47<Phil_>I was slow to realise I needed to look there. Sorry.
02:47<annadane>the issue you have is, even if you fix that you now have a mixed system
02:48<annadane>and it's not, as far as my knowledge goes, trivial to fix
02:48<annadane>again, someone else may know more
02:48<Phil_>I have not allowed anyting to install yet so I think I should be ok
02:48<annadane>oh, that changes things then
02:49<annadane>just remember to apt update again after fixing it
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02:51<Phil_>That was it. I now have 12 security packages and 1 upgradeable package instead of 700. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction to help myself.
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03:31<sunderland93>Hello. Is there a plans to update Rust package to provide fresh versions of Firefox in Mozilla Debian APT repository?
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03:41<huseyin>hi. I've just upgraded to stretch. I have 2 problems. One is I get this error: "E: mariadb-server-10.1: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 E: default-mysql-server: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured E: mysql-server: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured"
03:41<huseyin>And the second problem is i get a huge list for autoremove which I think it might be related to the 1st problem.
03:42<huseyin>has anyone suggestions?
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04:05<TotallyNotKim>hey, how de I upgrade my jessie to Unicode 10?
04:05<TotallyNotKim>do*
04:06<grawity>at minimum, that'd need a new libc
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04:06<grawity>and upgrading only the libc is probably not a very good idea
04:07<TotallyNotKim>so upgrading to stretch altogether?
04:07<grawity>why not
04:07<TotallyNotKim>true
04:07<TotallyNotKim>true
04:07<grawity>most of the OS doesn't even know about Unicode versions
04:08<grawity>but the components which do know – libc, glib2, qt, maybe the font rendering stuff – are a bit too low-level to upgrade individually
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04:43<iHmD>hi, I just installed fresh stretch KDE, but I have a problem (bug?) with the touchpad toggle shortcut; when I disable it, it's good, when I try to re-enable it, it disable it again. (disable it every time instead of toggling!)
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05:06<iHmD>hi, I just installed fresh stretch KDE, but I have a problem (bug?) with the touchpad toggle shortcut; when I disable it, it's good, when I try to re-enable it, it disable it again. (disable it every time instead of toggling!)
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05:42<marxyz>Can I ask question here about debian installation ?
05:42<towo^work>why not?
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05:46<bill-auger>marxyz: yes ask anything you liek about debian
05:46<bill-auger>!ask
05:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
05:46<marxyz>I'm trying to install debian on my chromebook using this tutorial https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201 , and I'm running into trouble when I have to prepare the SD card
05:47<marxyz>my sd card is mounted as /dev/sdb1
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05:48<marxyz>but when I use /dev/sdb1 as ${DEV} on this guide, the "blockdev --rereadpt ${DEV}" command don't work
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05:49<marxyz>also the first command "parted --script ${DEV} mklabel gpt" tell me that the sd card is in use, that the command failed and that I need to reboot. Even When I reboot, it does not work as intended
05:50<thebouzouker>Cant install Asus Radeon R7 240 4gb OC
05:50<marxyz>I'm kinda confused since It's the first time I'm trying to install debian from something else than the standard live-cd and so on.
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05:52<towo^work>thebouzouker, "i can't" is saying zero
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05:53<thebouzouker>My sources.list shows the following text...
05:53<thebouzouker>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9.0.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20170617-13:08]/ stretch main contrib non-free
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05:53<thebouzouker>deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
05:53<thebouzouker>deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
05:53<thebouzouker>deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
05:53<thebouzouker>deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main non-free contrib
05:54<towo^work>and fourther?
05:54<towo^work>what is your ecact problem?
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05:55<towo^work>*exact
05:56<hank>Hey, I need to install the latest kde plasma 5.8 desktop environment. I already have older one. How can I install the newer one?
05:56<thebouzouker>i run apt-get install filmware-amd-graphics but it says that cant be found!
05:56<towo^work>thebouzouker, use your brain, the package is named firmware-amd-graphics
05:56<towo^work>not filmware
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05:57<thebouzouker>oh! let me try again
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05:58<thebouzouker>ok that did it. so now i only have to apt update?
05:59<towo^work>to do what?
05:59<towo^work>after installing the firmware you have to reboot
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06:00<thebouzouker>i ok will do that.
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06:01<deliver>Is in your sources.list after stretch main [contrib non-free] otherwise you have no firmware?
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06:17<thebouzouker>so i did firmware-amd-graphics. Nothing changed. I cant even change resolution. I have 2 R7 240
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06:18<thebouzouker>Do i have to install additional drivers?
06:19<towo^work>thebouzouker, provide your Xorg.0.log on a pastebin
06:19<deliver>Is in your sources.list after stretch main [contrib non-free] otherwise you have no firmware? Which desktop did you use, thebouzouker? kscreen
06:19<towo^work>deliver, otherwise he couldn't install that firmware
06:20<towo^work>thebouzouker, and dmesg | grep -i firmw would be also of interest
06:20<towo^work>deliver, and he has pasted his sources earlyer
06:20<deliver>That is what I mean, don't asked my Englishteacher of the grammar I use
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06:21<deliver>Okay, I was on telephon with my provider. I didn't noticed it, sorry
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06:23<thebouzouker>https://pastebin.com/uqXQLCH6
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06:25<deliver>https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
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06:28<thebouzouker>i am restarting to see if all went well
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06:35<thebouzouker>nope nothing changed...
06:35<thebouzouker>i saw an error message during restart about graphics cards
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06:39<uvvtu>hello
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06:45<thebouzouker>I took first and second step as you showed me. Nothing changed. I might have an error in the system
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06:46<towo^work>paste what's asked for
06:46<thebouzouker>My Xorg.0.log ?
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06:46<thebouzouker>Please tell me where to find this
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06:46<towo^work>yes
06:46*EmleyMoor is in the middle of his last upgrade to stretch, and will then be looking to iron out problems
06:47<towo^work>and dmesg | grep -i firmw
06:47<towo^work>thebouzouker, /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log, depends on your DM
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06:48<thebouzouker>about dmesg | grep -i firmw see here... https://pastebin.com/ZPp0QVkr
06:49<towo^work>looks good, the firmware was found and loaded
06:50<thebouzouker>yes but my cards arent working. Some issues with R7 240 and drivers?
06:51<towo^work>normaly not
06:51<towo^work>that's why you should provide the x-log
06:51<thebouzouker>i tries to identify the second monitor on reboot but cant
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06:52<thebouzouker>where is that Xorg.0.log? i am kind of new to the Debian community
06:52<EmleyMoor>11:47 < towo^work> thebouzouker, /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log, depends on your DM
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06:54<thebouzouker>let me check
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06:56<thebouzouker>https://pastebin.com/nTumNCMP
06:57<thebouzouker>This is from /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:58<towo^work>KMS can't be used or it's an old file before firmware install
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06:59<thebouzouker>What is KMS.
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07:00<towo^work>kernel mode setting
07:00<towo^work>and that's nessesary for radeon
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07:00<towo^work>and btw, you have 2 cards?
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07:01<thebouzouker>YES
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07:01<thebouzouker>2
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07:02<towo^work>is this a notebook?
07:03<towo^work>and does exist a Xorg.0.log in your users .local/share/xorg/?
07:03<thebouzouker>Its a i7 6700K with 32Gb Ram and Gigabyte Z-170 D3H
07:04<towo^work>have you disabled the intel gpu in bios?
07:04<towo^work>or i may have misread, you have 2 R7 240?
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07:05<thebouzouker>yes i have 2 Asus Radeon R7 240 4gb OC
07:05<towo^work>can you try it 1st with one card?
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07:05<thebouzouker>https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/R7240OC4GD3L/
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07:06<thebouzouker>Pull off one card from motherboard?
07:07<thebouzouker>NO .local/share/xorg/ for me
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07:08<towo^work>thebouzouker, dmesg | egrep -i "radeon|dri" please
07:10<thebouzouker>https://pastebin.com/TWi39k1X
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07:11<towo^work>this X.log you pasted, can't be the recent
07:11<towo^work>what is the timestamp?
07:12<towo^work>thebouzouker, and you look in your users .local/share/xorg/ not in the root home?
07:14<thebouzouker>I have sources.list , sources.list.save and sources.list~ in etc folder
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07:14<canaima>hola
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07:16<markus-k>is upgrading from wheezy to stretch in one go safe/supported?
07:16<thebouzouker>there is no .local/share
07:16<deliver>Yes. Try it, markus-k
07:16<thebouzouker>am i doing something wrong?
07:16<towo^work>thebouzouker, ~/.local is /home/yourusername/.local
07:17<thebouzouker>I am on Debian 9
07:17<thebouzouker>ok
07:17<towo^work>i havn't speak abour /etc/ or something
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07:17<ale2325>hola hola
07:17<markus-k>deliver: I'll try, what could possibly go wrong :)
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07:18<deliver>kde goes sometimes wrong, was yesterday here because he hadn't in sources.list not [contrib non-free] edited
07:19<thebouzouker>OH! i see. Share is a hideden file?
07:19<thebouzouker>hidden
07:19<thebouzouker>i did cd/username/ and ls and i see Share
07:21<thebouzouker>ok found it
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07:22<thebouzouker>https://pastebin.com/d45kSGTF
07:23<towo^work>so your monitor is not providing valid modes
07:24<towo^work>and vga, really?
07:24<thebouzouker>YEAP. 2 of them
07:24<thebouzouker>old samsungs
07:24<towo^work>why you don't connect hdmi or dvi?
07:25<thebouzouker>no connections for hdmi or dvi-d
07:25<thebouzouker>only the old dvi
07:25<towo^work>then have fun for writing valid modelines for your monitors
07:26<thebouzouker>hahahaha dont have a clue!
07:26<thebouzouker>i am a complete idiot at linux and general coding
07:28<deliver>Be patient, Rom wasn't build in seven days, thebouzouker
07:28<deliver>But on seven hills
07:28<thebouzouker>hahahaha.
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07:29<mazert>hello, i'm trying to keep a gui application running over ssh after closing the connexion
07:29<thebouzouker>anyway is there a solution for me or do i have to change monitors?
07:29<thebouzouker>maybe a legasy driver or something
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07:30<mazert>i use ssh -X to use my application and i tried to use screen to keep it in a session. But after reconnecting on ssh, i got a X11 problem with $DISPLAY
07:30<towo^work>thebouzouker, there is no other driver
07:30<towo^work>thebouzouker, and maybe, only your vga cable is crap
07:31<thebouzouker>it works fine on Win 10. Dont think its the cable
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07:32<deliver>Imo kde is to complex and wants to much at the sae time. It must be more slim. Here plasma, there gtk, qt, mysqul, baloo.
07:33<towo^work>thebouzouker, you can't compare the graphics system from win with the x framework
07:33<thebouzouker>I see. So if i change monitors setup drivers will work???
07:34<towo^work>thebouzouker, if you have set a monitor model in windows, the screenmodes are not set by reading edid
07:35<thebouzouker>Its the way Linux works.I understand.
07:35<thebouzouker>But will the problem be solved eventually? i mean by changing displays
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07:37<towo^work>it's long ago that i've seen monitors, which does not provide valid modes per edid
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07:38<thebouzouker>Greece is the place to comfront such matters
07:41<thebouzouker>Now i have a second problem with my card. I am a recording engineer and i have a Rme Hdsp 9652. Debian can see it but i have no sound
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07:42<thebouzouker>https://www.rme-audio.de/en/products/hdsp_9652.php
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07:44<deliver>towo^work: correct, since S.u.S.E. from 1996 and debian 2.2 with a Elsagrphiccard und Sonymonitor
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07:55<markus-k>deliver: Well, something about it went wrong: https://hastebin.com/vukoxomemi.vbs
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08:00<deliver>markus-k: that's a much output, good luck. Try a new installation with clear partitions. This is too heavy for me
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08:03<deliver>Why the man-db? try a [dpkg --reconfigure -a] or [apt-get -f install]
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08:13<eladhen>Hi all, I'm using Stretch Xfce on a very low-end netbook (with an Atom n550 CPU). Using Linux Mint Xfce on the same netbook I was able to watch 1080p video (locally) without a problem. On Stretch it's not watchable... I'm assuming this is some kind of codec problem. I've installed gstreamer bad and libavcodec-extra, but it didn't really change anything. Any Ideas as to what I should try next?
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08:15<deliver>Try vlc, eladhen
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08:17<eladhen>deliver, I'm talking about playing Video in VLC. Sorry for not mentioning it.
08:17<deliver>Ok, eladhen.
08:18<towo^work>eladhen, maybe you need firmware for the gpu part
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08:19<eladhen>towo^work, It's just an Atom CPU, without a dedicated GPU...
08:19<towo^work>eladhen, i gnow
08:20<towo^work>eladhen, even it has an iGPU
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08:20<towo^work>and that maybe needs firmware for propper workink like skylake and above
08:20<eladhen>towo^work, There's firmware for that? how can I get it? I have non-free enabled.
08:20<towo^work>eladhen, enabling non-free does nothing automagic
08:21<towo^work>eladhen, dmesg | grep -i firmw
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08:22<eladhen>towo^work, [ 0.488098] pci 0000:00:1f.0: [Firmware Bug]: TigerPoint LPC.BM_STS cleared
08:22<eladhen>[ 12.048778] [Firmware Bug]: battery: (dis)charge rate invalid.
08:22<towo^work>that's all?
08:22<eladhen>towo^work, yep...
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08:22<towo^work>eladhen, can you paste your Xorg.0.log?
08:26<eladhen>towo^work, http://paste.debian.net/972565/
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08:27<towo^work>hm, looks good
08:27<towo^work>eladhen, have you installed mesa-va-drivers?
08:28<eladhen>towo^work, nope. What's that?
08:28<towo^work>drivers for hardware-decoding
08:28<eladhen>towo^work, Ok I can see the package. I'll install it.
08:29<towo^work>then you can try to set hardware acceleration in vlc
08:29<eladhen>towo^work, They seem to already be installed
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08:34<eladhen>towo^work, and hardware acceleration is enabled in VLC... :(
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08:34<towo^work>then i'm out
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08:35<eladhen>:(
08:36<eladhen>towo^work, thanks for giving a shot at it...
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09:05<koma>Hello, I've found that puppet in debian has been released with version 4 but facter is release 2.
09:06<koma>this is wrong. and none of the puppet 4 recipes will work on that setup
09:06<koma>As written here: https://docs.puppet.com/puppet/4.10/system_requirements.html#prerequisites
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09:15<yulax> /buffer 9
09:18<blast007>koma: Stretch has puppet 4.8, not 4.10. https://docs.puppet.com/puppet/4.8/system_requirements.html#prerequisites
09:18<koma>That's an error by puppet i think let me check
09:19<blast007>koma: from the page I linked. "Facter 2.4.3 or later"
09:19<koma>Let me check..
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09:22<emoon[m]>every debian update server i try is incredibly slow today, wtf
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09:24<mnuhmnuh>emoon[m]: i just did mine and it was just like always. nothing to do, but it was quick as ever.
09:25<kanobe>Woohoo, I got my ZFS root fs issues sorted out.
09:25<kanobe>I can't remember who was helping me here with that, but thanks!
09:26<emoon[m]>weird
09:27<mnuhmnuh>emoon[m]: perhaps your provider is doing maintenance?
09:27<emoon[m]>seems to be the security.debian.org thats slow for me
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09:27<emoon[m]>its a vps so i dunno, it was very fast yesterday
09:27<mnuhmnuh>oh.
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09:31<emoon[m]>is there any alternative to using security.debian.org?
09:31<emoon[m]>this slow speed is driving me loco, i want to work already
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09:35<mnuhmnuh>"ping -c 1 security.debian.org": 64 bytes from mirror-isc2.debian.org (149.20.4.14): icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=33.6 ms
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09:36<ixi>latency, bandwidth
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09:36<grawity>security.debuan.org is like four servers
09:37<emoon[m]>four prettt slow servers imo
09:38<blast007>can you quantify "slow"?
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09:40<emoon[m]>update speed yesterday was 500-4000KBps
09:40<emoon[m]>today its 10-30
09:40<blast007>I'm seeing 93MB/sec
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09:41<emoon[m]>well you are a lucky one
09:42<canaima>holaaaaaaaaaaaa
09:42<canaima>hello
09:42<emoon[m]>im gonna sit here for 10 minutes being jealous of you now
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09:42<blast007>and another attempt was 17MB/sec
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09:43<blast007>but then again, it's multiple servers (4 IPv4 addresses, 3 IPv6), so it's certainly possible that one or more of them are having issues compared to the others
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09:46<emoon[m]>maybe leaseweb network is f'ing up, could be their end
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10:21<BrainError404>Why in the stretch repo there isn't virtualbox?
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10:23<zeta>it was removed. https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22 for instructions
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10:25<Blacker47>BrainError404, see: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794466 alternative is KVM.
10:25<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, buster, sid, stretch): «Virtualbox might not be suitable for Stretch»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2017-06-20.
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10:51<EmleyMoor-laptop>Having a show stopper issue with my main box now it's on stretch... [FAILED] Failed to mount /proc/bus/usb. See 'systemctl status proc-bus-usb.mount' for details. [DEPEND] Dependency failed for Local File Systems.
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10:52<EmleyMoor-laptop>proc-bus-usb.mount: Mount process exited, code=exited status=32
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10:57<EmleyMoor-laptop>I'm lost :-(
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10:58<EmleyMoor-laptop>Maybe it's not so relevant any more
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10:59<hendrikL>what are trying to do? EmleyMoor-laptop
10:59<hendrikL>+you
10:59<EmleyMoor-laptop>Er, get my system up1
10:59<EmleyMoor-laptop>!
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11:01<EmleyMoor-laptop>I've pulled the usbfs from /etc/fstab
11:01<hendrikL>mount an usb hard-disc with /home or what ??
11:01<hendrikL>!ask
11:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:01<EmleyMoor-laptop>hendrikL: No
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11:02<EmleyMoor-laptop>This isa
11:02<EmleyMoor-laptop>This is a "stuff fails at startup" situation.
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11:04<towo`>usbfs in fstab? in what century you live?
11:04<EmleyMoor-laptop>towo`: Indeed... have now pulled it
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11:05<jelly>if a user wanted to report significant breakage with cyrus 2.2 -> 2.5 during jessie->stretch and wanted that info added to release notes, which package would they report a bug to? release.debian.org?
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11:06<petn-randall>jelly: IIRC yes, but reportbug should have an option to create an upgrade report, too.
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11:08<EmleyMoor-laptop>I now have a sequence of repeating messages: [ OK ] Created slice User Slice of Debian-gdm. Starting User Manager for UID 123... [ OK ] Started session c475 (number increases) of user Debian-gdm. [ OK ] Started User Manager for UID 123. Stopping User Manager for UID 123... [ OK ] Stopped User Manager for UID 123. [ OK ] Removed slice User Slice of Debian-gdm. ... and the sequence repeats
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11:10<EmleyMoor-laptop>(please tell me it's not a wreck!)
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11:14<deliver>Open gparted or testdisk and try a look whether they find it, it must hotplugable, EmleyMoor-laptop
11:16<EmleyMoor-laptop>deliver: It's irrelevant. It's not a missing disk, it was an obsolete line in fstab. I now have other problems that are even more show stopping
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11:17<EmleyMoor-laptop>Not even getting to a point where anything much can be done, now
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11:17<EmleyMoor-laptop>Tempted to "nuke and pave" most of the system area
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11:18<EmleyMoor-laptop>Starting recovery mode
11:18<hendrikL>no chance to boot to init 3/multi-user.target?
11:19<EmleyMoor-laptop>No chance to even get a chance to
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11:21<EmleyMoor-laptop>"Head" problem now is that it's trying to load nvidia modules I don't have...
11:21<TheChattyHeadFairy>Hi everyone =)
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11:22<piper>EmleyMoor-laptop: is this an update or a new install ?
11:22<EmleyMoor-laptop>An update
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11:23<piper>ouch, personally, i would never install an operating system over itself especially production machine, i think of total failure, just my opinion
11:24<piper>EmleyMoor-laptop: do a clean install from scratch of course make backups
11:24<EmleyMoor-laptop>I don't even know where it's getting the idea from to load the missing "nvidia-current-modeset" and "nvidia-current-drm"
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11:25<piper>i never understood "updates" and what a complete mess it can make
11:25*piper now runs
11:25<jelly>piper: working in-place release upgrades are one of Debian's best features
11:26<TheChattyHeadFairy>Is anyone here willing to help me with a funny sound problem?
11:26<piper>jelly: google all the failures, not just debian, or look on ubuntu
11:26<jelly>piper: well here's the thing: I don't care about breakages in Ubuntu
11:27<piper>jelly: clean is the best way to go true, but it is based on debian
11:27<jelly>piper: my main workstation at home has been installed in 2001
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11:27<itd>dpkg: tell TheChattyHeadFairy -about ask
11:27<jelly>some of the Linux servers I maintain have been installed with Debian 3.1
11:28<piper>well, i do too much testing on installs for that long ;)
11:28<piper>hmm, i think i do have a 3.1 going
11:28<piper>in the man cave
11:28<piper>old single core
11:28<jelly>they run debian 7-8 now
11:29<jelly>migrated 2-5 times to different hardware, and 5-6 times release upgraded to newer Debian
11:29<piper>well, over the years, i have seen so many complaints on "upgrades"
11:30<jelly>of course, there are always bugs.
11:30<jelly>but most issues get found and documented in the release notes, before the release .0 happens
11:30<EmleyMoor-laptop>Once in a blue moon it breaks. What is bad is how hard it is to get out of this state... but that's not entirely the fault of helpers...
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11:31<piper>jelly: not all all bugs, it's the way a user is setup using a /home thru 5 different other distro's etc
11:31<mrb>Hi, is there anyone who could help me with a networking issue? I'm currently running virtualbox as host and I wish to run debian stretch as guest os in this environment enabling the host to access the guest ip. Besides the default adapter1 in virtualbox I have assigned adapter2 as a host only adapter with default settings, but in the guest box the network adapter is down and regardless putting it up does not help. Fresh install. http://
11:31<mrb>imgur.com/a/NDYdt Could someone tell me how to make this work? Thanks
11:31<itd>TheChattyHeadFairy: Just in case you didn't see it: Just go ahead and describe your problem in detail.
11:31<piper>jelly: that home thing is a common one
11:31<jelly>piper: but I'm not talking about other distros
11:32<jelly>their issues are not relevant in here
11:32<piper>jelly: neither am i, i was talking /home
11:32<piper>that is relevant
11:32<BrainError404>Blacker47: And if I choose to use the virtualbox repo? deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib
11:33<Black47>BrainError404, this is one alternative too.
11:33<jelly>piper: I thought you commented on Emley's nvidia stuff.
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11:34<piper>jelly, no, i only aske if it was an update or a new install
11:34<piper>*asked
11:35<itd>mrb: Have a look at https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Setting_up_an_Ethernet_Interface
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11:37<jelly>piper: and you proceeded to state an opinion that I think does not apply to Debian
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11:37<piper>jelly, debian don't have /home
11:37<piper>?
11:38<jelly>Debian isn't really threatened by "total failure" on a release upgrade
11:39<piper>ok no problem, will keep reading
11:39<jelly>when breakage happens, they rarely lose data and can get fixed without reinstall
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11:42<mrb>itd: auto enp0s8 has been added to /etc/network/interfaces - restart has been done and the situation is the same as on the previous screenshot. enp0s8 this interface suppose to receive an ip from the host, but for some reason it does not.
11:43<EmleyMoor-laptop>I am reinstalling... but can preserve most of my data
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11:44<mrb>On the same not only that, but also it is down for good as on the screenshot.
11:48<itd>mrb: Could you please paste your /etc/network/interfaces configuration on paste.debian.net and share the link?
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11:48<Tuor>Hi, is it possible to preseed multiple keyboard layouts? In our company we have different keyboard layouts in use: ch,de,us,us(altgr-intl)
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11:49<Tuor>Currently I'm testing with KDE. At the login-screen there is a dropdown with only one option to choos your keyboardlayout.
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11:51<EmleyMoor-laptop>So, 5 machines... and only the most complex has hit serious trouble...
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11:54<mrb>itd: I would be happy to, but I have the following difficulties with that: I'm currently using virtual box on the guest I only have CLI and have enabled bidirectional clipboard in virtualbox, but regardless I cannot copy things from my virtual machine (I know I'm lame or doing something seriously wrong.) therefore http://imgur.com/a/GTxGk (feel free to advise me how to get text out of this vm) highly appreciated
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11:57<itd>mrb: I fail to see a configuration for 'enp0s8' in your screenshot. If I understand you correctly you have access to the internet from the VM, if yes you could use pastebinit.
11:57<itd>dpkg: tell mrb -about pastebinit
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11:58<mrb>itd: Thanks. I carry on with pastebin in a moment.
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12:01<Tuor>I have to go, sorry.
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12:03<mrb>itd: http://paste.debian.net/972602
12:04<mrb>itd: I was not aware of this paste option. "You learn something new every day." Thanks
12:05<itd>mrb: Awesome. Still, you didn't configure enp0s8, only enp0s3. ;) (Try adding similar lines for enp0s8.)
12:05<mrb>itd: ohh fork me
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12:09<mrb>itd: Thanks a lot!!!!! http://paste.debian.net/972605 all good. I have some issues with my eyesight. Really did not notice that the interface I'm configuring is '%3 %'not '%8%'
12:11<mrb>itd: 5+ dioptria...
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12:11<mrb>itd: you can collect your beer reward in Malta if you please :)
12:12<itd>mrb: Glad to hear that it is working now. :) Thank you! :D
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12:51<EmleyMoo1>Anything in stretch I can install to keep my CPU cool?
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12:54<petn-randall>EmleyMoo1: Most CPUs already use powermanagement where available. If your CPU is getting too hot, you need to fix the cooling.
12:55<petn-randall>EmleyMoo1: What CPU and how hot does it get? How high is the utilization?
12:55<EmleyMoo1>The cooling is beyond improvement
12:56<EmleyMoo1>The CPU is an AMD FX series - a notably hot one, can't remember exactly which - and it gets so hot the machine goes off. Utilzation will, in a dire emergency likeo this, be high
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12:59<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: If it goes off, it's too hot. Then you need to fix the cooling, there's no way around it.
13:02<EmleyMoor>There is *no* economic way to improve the cooling. I had a "throttle back" service installed but it was "third party" - not an ideal solution I know. I have need of this machine, which cannot wait until I can replace its "entire core", but I am planning to do just that as soon as I can. If there is nothing new in stretch to help, so be it, thanks anyway.
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13:03<blast007>EmleyMoor: tried something as simple as putting new thermal compound on it?
13:03<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: It's plain physics, there's not much Debian can help with.
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13:04<EmleyMoor>blast007: The thermal compound was new when I upgraded the cooling to "maximum possible"
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13:06<L00thar>Run it in a fridge.
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13:08<blast007>http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/CPU-5-Theprocessorseemstobe.aspx
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13:09<EmleyMoor>L00thar: If it were that simple...
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13:21<blast007>EmleyMoor: perhaps the BIOS lets you underclock it or disable some cores?
13:21<grawity>if that's all you want you can do the same via sysfs
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13:22<mnuhmnuh>EmleyMoor: i've an amd which runs too hot to make it through debian install. it runs tail from usbkey with no problem.
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13:56<EmleyMoor>Has something changed with gpg and/or apt-key? Trying to add keys for 3rd party sources is failing
13:57<EmleyMoor>(no valid OpenPGP data found)
14:01<EmleyMoor>(yajhfc and google-chrome at least affected)
14:04<Black47>are there opengpg data? maybe they uses sha1-signatures or something old like that? @ EmleyMoor
14:05<EmleyMoor>Black47: Well, whatever, it means a change is needed to either the data or the instructions to use it...
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14:07<Black47>EmleyMoor, see also ...: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apt-issues
14:07<Black47>EmleyMoor, 5.3.2.3 there.
14:08<EmleyMoor>Noted, thanks... will pursue this later
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14:11<EmleyMoor>Related: will chromium keep reasonable pace with releases?
14:11<chungy>Hello. Did the multi-arch (i386 and amd64) DVD get dropped for Stretch? I see only the netinst CD.
14:12<deliver>https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt EmleyMoor
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15:10<jemadux>smc is not available on debian ?
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15:11<mtn>,v smc
15:11<judd>Package: smc on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.9+git20120222-1+b1; jessie: 1.9+git20121121-1.2
15:12<itd>https://tracker.debian.org/news/764091 -- dead upstream
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15:18<itd>jemadux: TSC (https://secretchronicles.org/en/) seems to be the "new" SMC, but it is also not in debian 9.
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15:18<jemadux>thanks
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15:20<uvvtu>всем привет
15:20<itd>dpkg: ru
15:20<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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16:02<TheRealHackerMa>not really debian related.. but okay: https://pastebin.com/69Ybf7Yx
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16:07<Kuroko>Hello.
16:08<annadane>not a channel for advertising
16:08<Kuroko>did the input method change on debian 9? if so, how can I disable acceleration?
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16:18<samwan>Kuroko, what input method?
16:22<Kuroko>I read somewhere it's not using xinput anymore
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16:42<Kuroko>ok, fixed mouse acceleration
16:42<Kuroko>but still got no sound
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16:58<petru>hi. I have a wifi usbstick and after installing firmware-linux-nonfree it started detecting the wireless networks, however when I try to connect to a network, I get connection deactivated
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16:59<annadane>petru, paste your output to paste.debian.net and post the link here
16:59<txt-file>petru, What card do you have? Are you sure that firmware-linux-nonfree is enough?
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17:00<Kuroko>it seems there's a file missing in pulse audio modules
17:00<annadane>and i'd also check dmesg | grep firmware, keeping in line with what txt-file said
17:01<Kuroko>the fix was to link to an older version of pulseaudio module folder
17:01<Kuroko>there's no old version on a new install, though
17:01<Kuroko>any ideas?
17:01<petru>txt-file: I'm not sure about firmware being enough. How do I find out about the card?
17:02<txt-file>run "lspci" and search for a wifi car
17:02<txt-file>card
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17:04<petru>annadane: http://paste.debian.net/972653/
17:05<annadane>ok, so no firmware errors
17:05<annadane>what do you get when you try to connect to a network?
17:05<petru>lspci http://paste.debian.net/972654/
17:05<petru>I get connection 'network name' deactivated
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17:06<annadane>as i said, can you post your output?
17:06<petru>I do it from the gui.
17:07<txt-file>damn … usb card … for usb we need "lsusb -t"
17:07<annadane>ah, all right
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17:08<txt-file>but as firmware is loaded (according to dmesg) you seem to have the proper firmware.
17:08<petru>lsusb -t http://paste.debian.net/972655/
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17:26<petru>txt-file: annadane any ideas?
17:26<txt-file>petru, sadly no
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17:28<annadane>not sure, petru
17:30<piper>petru: have you looked here https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x or here https://github.com/feedcafe/rtl8192eu
17:32<piper>petru: you can also look at this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2327896
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17:42<albladh> Hi i have a problem when i setup a virtual kvm machine it connects through a vnet interface on my host, the problem is this interface is set to 10mbit/s how can i improve the network throughput?
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17:54<scootergrisen>If i install LXDE and open the LXDE menu there is a submenu called Debian at the top. Inside are more submenus and program names. Where are the translations of these strings?
17:55<scootergrisen>Some are translated and some are not. I'm trying to help translate them all.
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17:56<abrotman>there's a channel for that
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17:56<abrotman>#debian-i18n perhaps ?
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17:58<abrotman>scootergrisen: ^^
17:59<scootergrisen>ok thanks
17:59<abrotman>scootergrisen: /usr/share/locals/LC_MESSAGES/<language_code>/ ?
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17:59<abrotman>sorry, no /usr/share/locale/<language>/LC_MESSAGES/
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18:10<EndCiv>i never ran debian in house before. i suck at *nix. very low personal memory/recall to be skilled at command lines. old 60" airport monitor and a collection of comuper hardware from the closet and here i am installing things
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18:35<asgardianboy>Hi guys. I come here in desperation.
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18:36<asgardianboy>I run Debian Jessie 8.8, kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
18:38<asgardianboy>Laptop is a HP Elitebook 8530W from 2009, with Intel uProcessors and wifi facilities provided by Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300.
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18:39<acald3ron>mariadb-server password
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18:39<asgardianboy>I have configured /etc/network/interfaces in such a way that I know that has worked with many other linux boxes I have used with this wifi AP.
18:39<asgardianboy>Nothing fancy there.
18:40<asgardianboy>With this laptop, an older version of Debian operated the wifi flawlessly.
18:40<asgardianboy>Problem came after upgrading to Jessie.
18:43<asgardianboy>Same wlan0 config in interfaces, when I hit ifup wlan0, I get "RTNETLINK answers: Operation not possible due to RF-kill"
18:45<asgardianboy>As recommended in the first threads you get after googling that error message, I have tried disabling the driver that operates the rfkill button. It was a disaster.
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18:45<asgardianboy>Nothing fixed.
18:45<asgardianboy>Can anyone help me?
18:45<asgardianboy>Break the silence and help me?
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18:46<asgardianboy>There's a lot of people in here..... Can anybody say something about this?
18:46<mtn>asgardianboy: I don't use command line to handle networking. why not use networkmanager?
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18:48<asgardianboy>I forgot: networkmanager is clueless about the wifi. It only says "Hardware Disabled". If I hit the wifi/bluetooth-disable hardware button, all I get is "Aisplane mode ON/OFF".
18:49<mtn>asgardianboy: what does rfkill say about your wifi?
18:49<asgardianboy>The button itself has a LED. LED is ALWAYS RED, and I know for sure it gets blue when the thing works.
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18:49<asgardianboy>rfkill list says that everything is on.
18:49<mtn>asgardianboy: rfkill list wifi paste the results to dpaste.com
18:49<asgardianboy>Wifi hard and soft block are "no".
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18:50<mtn>asgardianboy: let's see the paste
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18:54<asgardianboy>Here you are: http://dpaste.com/0C0H6VC
18:54<asgardianboy>Nothing relevant, I think. It is false, in fact: wlan0 is somehow crippled by HW.
18:55<mtn>asgardianboy: your wifi is hard blocked. a switch, keyboard combo or bios setting has it turned of permanently
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18:56<asgardianboy>Something I just found out: look at the paste. You'll see that bluetooth is soft blocked. I have enabled bluetooth with the corresponding configuration applet et violà: LED went blue.
18:56<asgardianboy>In spite of that, NM still says HARDWARE DISABLED for wifi.....!
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18:57<mtn>asgardianboy: bluetooth and wifi are not the same thing. what I said still applies
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18:58<asgardianboy>There doesn't seem to be any kb combo for that. There is a tactile button, the one with the LED in it. Nothing else.
18:58<asgardianboy>I checked BIOS twice. Everything is ON. Not a complex BIOS... I can't find any place among those options where I might be making such a mistake......
18:58<mtn>asgardianboy: and the bios? some people with this problem have to reset the bios to defaults
18:58<asgardianboy>Looking bad......
19:00<asgardianboy>There is your typical "integrated hardware options" menu, where you can disable parts of the chipset. Wifi is of course ON, and no fancy, difficult-to-undersand option can be found that could be the culprit....
19:00<mtn>asgardianboy: some people with this problem have to reset the bios to defaults
19:01<asgardianboy>And remember: I run Debian 6 or 5 on this HW, same wifi AP, and it worked mate......
19:01<asgardianboy>That leads to some Debian or driver bug..... :-(
19:01<asgardianboy>...and same BIOS options (I have never touched it).
19:03<asgardianboy>mtn: do you know of any link explaining a bit what is going on? Something about Debian's innards regarding wifi and rfkill.... I don't know.....
19:03<mtn>asgardianboy: did you try resetting the bios to default?
19:03<asgardianboy>Some means to check the stack layer by layer......
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19:04<mtn>asgardianboy: with the wifi hard blocked no distro will get it to work
19:04<mtn>asgardianboy: this is not a software problem, but hardware
19:04<asgardianboy>No. But I'll try it if nothing else comes around.
19:05<asgardianboy>mtn: I see.....
19:05<asgardianboy>....but what about a kernel module bug?
19:05<mtn>asgardianboy: this is not a software problem, but hardware
19:06<mtn>asgardianboy: research what hard blocked means if you don't believe me
19:06<asgardianboy>Anyway, man: are you going to be around here in 5 minuts? I'll try the BIOS reseet and come back to you.
19:06<mtn>asgardianboy: probably
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19:07<asgardianboy>OK.
19:07<asgardianboy>mtn, one final question before going in: if the BIOS reset does nothing, what will you suggest as next option?
19:07<mtn>asgardianboy: is this a laptop?
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19:09<jmcnaught>asgardianboy: i read most of above, but did you look for an Fn+F5 shortcut to toggle wireless?
19:09<asgardianboy>mtn: laptop, as I said.
19:10<mtn>asgardianboy: then you either have a hardware switch or keyboard combo to turn on/off the wifi. look at your manual
19:11<asgardianboy>jmcnaught: yep. There is already a hardware button that deals with radio enabling. I have checked the key caps. Nothing radio-related. It is only logical: you already have a dedicated hardware button....!
19:11<jmcnaught>my thinkpad x220 has a switch and a keyboard combo
19:11<asgardianboy>The results I get when I google the error message are from several years ago, ca. 2013..... I can't believe this is happening to me now......
19:11<jmcnaught>also did you look at the output of dmesg for missing firmware errors?
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19:12<asgardianboy>jmcnaught: I have just checkeed the entire keyboard again. Nothing that I can see.
19:13<mtn>asgardianboy: read your manual?
19:15<qxt>Using pbuilder to compile qemu. I have added a few dependencies by hooking a local repo I have. Did so to add some functionality I needed.
19:15<qxt> When compiling the list of all the enabled functionality went by way to fast to read. How can I read that list later?
19:16<asgardianboy>I read the manual centuries ago. I'll do it again now.
19:17<asgardianboy>According to my experience, if the binary blob is not properly load, you don't even get a wlan0.... If I have it, firmware was loaded properly.
19:17<asgardianboy>Anyway, let me check...
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19:17<qxt>ummm is there a dev channel. This is lame
19:17<jmcnaught>asgardianboy: it doesn't hurt to check with "dmesg | grep -i firmware"
19:18<jmcnaught>qxt: use gnu screen
19:18<qxt>hmmm yeah maybe this jmcnaught
19:18<qxt>thx*
19:18<jmcnaught>pbuilder probably can make logs too
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19:20<qxt>got to admit the Debian build system is second to none. git-pbuilder etc...wow
19:24<asgardianboy>jmcnaught: at a certain point within dmesg's output I get
19:24<asgardianboy>[713307.642348] (NULL device *): firmware: direct-loading firmware iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode
19:25<asgardianboy>Nothing else regarding firmware, BUT...
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19:29<asgardianboy>...BUT then, by the end of dmesg's output, I get http://dpaste.com/011B0AM
19:29<asgardianboy>[713323.264959] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: Loaded ucode is not valid!
19:29<asgardianboy>WTF?
19:30<asgardianboy>And after that line: [713323.303360] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: Failed to run INIT ucode: -5
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19:35<asaf>اه
19:36<asaf>hi
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19:39<jmcnaught>asgardianboy: and the linux-image-amd64 and firmware-iwlwifi packages are both from jessie main, not jessie-backports?
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19:50<asgardianboy>I just checked: Image main, firmware from backports. I remember I updated the firmware as suggested by some webpage, to fix this very problem.
19:50<asgardianboy>The problem pre-existed.
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19:50<asgardianboy>But firmware package says it does not depend on anything.
19:50<asgardianboy>Can be used with main kernel...... RIGHT?
19:51<asgardianboy>Should it be sage updating the kernel to bpo?
19:52<asgardianboy>"safe"
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19:58<sney>asgardianboy: bpo kernels are generally considered safe, yes
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20:14<robr4f_debian>Hi all, please, is there any specific command in debian jessie that can inform about any issue in the laptop keyboard ?
20:14<robr4f_debian>should be dmesg or any other ?
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20:25<kanobe>What do you guys use for offsite backup?
20:25<kanobe>Like, for home systems?
20:27<paine>Good night. I've just installed bijiben 3.20.2-1.1 amd64 and it fails to launch.
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20:27<paine>I intend to submit a bug report, but I'm a newb, and I forgot how to use gdb.
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20:31<kanobe>jmcnaught: Oh yeah, I got my zfs root fs back in shape
20:31<kanobe>jmcnaught: Thanks for the help
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20:32<kanobe>robr4f_debian: What's the problem you're seeing?
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21:07<robr4f_debian>Hi kanobe, thanks for attending me !! some keys don't run
21:08<robr4f_debian>I press them, but they don't work. I'd like to know if debian has any resource to monitor and detect the reason they don't run
21:08<robr4f_debian>or, if there is any hardware issue, which command should show me what has happened ?
21:11<robr4f_debian>sorry not answering you before, kanobe, I had some troubles here
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21:26<dfsggdsg>help debian stretch says ROOT ACCESS DISABLED
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21:34<piper>dfsggdsg: https://wiki.debian.org/Root https://wiki.debian.org/sudo
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23:03<kanobe>robr4f_debian: Hmm, not sure
23:03<kanobe>I see this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard
23:03<kanobe>Maybe it would help
23:04<kanobe>It might be something with the keymap
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