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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-06-23

---Logopened Fri Jun 23 00:00:45 2017
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01:21<k-man>i'm trying to install to a machine that has uefi
01:21<k-man>it also has legacy boot available in the bios
01:21<k-man>any tips for what to do (or not to do?)
01:21<k-man>also i'd like / to be on a raid1 between the 2 disks
01:22<k-man>if that makes any difference
01:22<k-man>mdadm raid, not hardware raid
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01:31<habs>hi all -- I just upgraded to sid and I'm having this critical dependency issue -- how can I fix it? "libgtk-3-0 : Depends: libgtk-3-common (>= 3.22.16-1) but 3.22.12-1 is to be installed"
01:31<habs>my libgtk-common says it is the newest version at 3.22.12-1, unfortunately :-(
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01:32<Arcade>hi habs your question might need to be asked in #debian-next
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01:36<habs>Arcade: ah, thank you
01:37<Arcade>no problem habs
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02:24<user256>hi, in the debian 9 installer, how do I switch from "(1*installer)" screen to "2 shell" screen? I would like to check dmesg.
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02:29<rudi_s>user256: Over serial? Maybe alt-f2?
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02:30<user256>rudi_s, yes, I am installing debian mips under qemu. Ctrl+a 1/2/3 worked fine (thanks to another channel). thanks.
02:31<rudi_s>Ah, so it's just a screen. Good to know.
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02:33<user256>yeah :)
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03:02<harrison___>i could not validate the CA of the certificate I got when I connected to irc.debian.org via ssl
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03:13<jelly>harrison___: really? Looks like Let's Encrypt from here.
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03:15<grawity>the CA is all right, you're connecting to the wrong hostname: the certs have irc.oftc.net but not irc.debian.org on them
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03:22<harrison___>ah i see, that makes sense
03:24<oem>claro
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04:10<harrison___>hi
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04:29<chr45>just install debian 9 from debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-cinnamon.iso
04:29<chr45>tried to login as root
04:29<chr45>su
04:29<chr45>Password:
04:29<chr45>su: Authentication failure
04:30<chr45>the root password is correct
04:30<chr45>who can help me?
04:30<itd>chr45: Are you able to use sudo (as user)?
04:30<chr45>nope
04:31<chr45>i have no user in wheel
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04:33<daniele_>Hello all, can someone suggest me a M.2 2230 Wi-Fi module that doesn't require non-free firmware?
04:33<itd>chr45: You could try to follow [1] do boot into recovery mode and then set the password anew. [1]: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en
04:33<itd>s/do/to
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04:37<petn-randall>chr45: The user would be in the group 'sudo'.
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04:38<petn-randall>daniele_: Nowadays they all* come with non-free firmware. You can pick if you use the older, more buggy on-chip firmware, or the newer one shipped in non-free.
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04:39<petn-randall>daniele_: * there probably are FOSS wifi cards somewhere, but I'm guessing you'd have to do some research and they're probably not competative to the non-free ones.
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04:41<daniele_>petn-randall: right after asking, I actually found this. But I will have to disassemble my laptop first to figure out if my M.2 slot is compatible: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/wireless-n-dual-band-bluetooth-40-m2-ngff-combo-card
04:42<m_robot>when trying apt-get update i am getting..GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Horst3180/Debian_8.0 Release: The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 5A7D1D38BEB6D886 home:Horst3180 OBS Project <home:Horst3180@build.opensuse.org>
04:42<m_robot>W: The repository 'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Horst3180/Debian_8.0 Release' is not signed.
04:42<m_robot>N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use.
04:42<m_robot>N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
04:42<duclicsic>!Paste
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04:43<m_robot>ok thanks
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04:43<harrison___>how does the newly added repository gain the trust of debian in the first place?
04:43<petn-randall>harrison___: You follow the instructions and add the key.
04:43<daniele_>harrison___, --allow-unathenticated :D
04:44<daniele_>(joke)
04:44<petn-randall>m_robot: There should be some instructions coming with that repo that tell you to add a key.
04:44<m_robot>i am new kindly make it easy for me
04:44<harrison___>but how do i know the key is not a fake key of a fake repository resolved by a fake dns?
04:44<m_robot>petn-randall:
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04:45<itd>m_robot: The easy way: don't use 3rd party repositories.
04:45<petn-randall>m_robot: Read the documentation?
04:45<m_robot>of what? petn-randall
04:45<duclicsic>m_robot: you must have added those repositories to your system, usually the instructions telling you to do that will also have details about how to add the appropriate key
04:45<petn-randall>m_robot: Whatever web page told you to add that repo also will tell you how to add the key.
04:45<daniele_>MrFrood, Where did you find that repository? Go to the website and see if there are instructions on how to add the key. Or actually use --allow-unauthenticated if you don't care at all
04:45<petn-randall>daniele_: Please don't recommend such things.
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04:47<itd>m_robot: Why do you want to add that repository?
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04:47<harrison___>so the initial key comes with the debian install dvd? and the others are tested against it?
04:47<petn-randall>harrison___: "download.opensuse.org" is not a Debian repo.
04:48<m_robot>i dont understand where have i added the repository? is it sources.list
04:48<m_robot>itd:
04:48<petn-randall>m_robot: What steps did you take that ended up you having this extra repository?
04:48<daniele_>petn-randall: it actually is
04:49<harrison___>yes, is this what debian does? when you install debian-keyring for example.
04:49<daniele_>it's a user-repository containing some themes, you can see the directory listing: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Horst3180/Debian_8.0/
04:49<harrison___>there has to be an initial key somewhere
04:49<daniele_>the key is on the repo: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Horst3180/Debian_8.0/Release.key
04:49<petn-randall>daniele_: Ok, it's not an *official* Debian repo. That's what I meant to say. So that key can't be shipped with the installation media.
04:49<m_robot>i updated to debian 9 yesterday, nd after sometime my wifi wasnt working so my friend did some changes to sources.list nd updated nd i started getting this thing, now i updated my ssources.ist file agian but the error exists
04:50<harrison___>what do you need from opensuse that is not on debian?
04:51<harrison___>maybe it is on backports?
04:51<daniele_>m_robot: Do you have any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/? If yes: They also need to be updated. I honestly suggest you to just remove that third party repository as it appears to only contain themes
04:51<m_robot>harrison___: bt i havnt mentioned opensue in my soources.list file
04:51*cef goes back to waiting for stretch-backports
04:51<itd>m_robot: To answer your question. The repository is either in /etc/apt/sources.list or in a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
04:51<m_robot>how to remove daniele_
04:52<itd>m_robot: One of those files will contain a deb line that contains 'download.opensuse.org' - comment it out (prepend a #).
04:52<daniele_>check if there is a file in that folder containing your repo and then use either an editor of choice to remove the mentioned repository or the rm command to delete the file
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04:52<m_robot>dere are 3 items in /etc/apt/sources.list.d arc-theme.list dropbox.list google-chrome.list
04:53<daniele_>it's most probably the arc-theme.list
04:53<m_robot>should i remove it?
04:53<harrison___>if everything else fails you can go to /etc and do 'grep -r opensuse *'
04:53<daniele_>can you show us the content of arc-theme.list?
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04:53<daniele_>Since arc-theme appears to be a package on the mentioned repository
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04:54<m_robot>u got it bro daniele_
04:54<m_robot>deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Horst3180/Debian_8.0/ /
04:54<m_robot>this in the content daniele_
04:54<daniele_>then remove this file
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04:54<m_robot>ok...thanks
04:55<m_robot>i am trying apt-get update now.
04:56<cef>fwiw: afaik suse do have some build tools for making deb "repos".. but I have no idea if they've updated them for stretch. I wouldn't personally use them though.
04:57<m_robot>daniele_: http://paste.debian.net/972877
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04:57<m_robot>i am getting this again?
04:58<m_robot>something?
04:58<harrison___>you could search for all file containing 'opensuse'
04:59<m_robot>d command u gave before?
04:59<itd>m_robot: 'Network is unreachable' - are you connected to the internet?
04:59<m_robot>yes
04:59<gheorghe>m-robot, do curl http://security.debian.org and also ping http://security.debian.org
04:59<cef>that looks quite weird.. could be your router doesn't support ipv6 properly?
05:00<m_robot>curl? gheorghe
05:00<m_robot>didnt get u
05:00<gheorghe>m_robot: open a terminal and type "curl http://security.debian.org"
05:00<cef>m_robot: also try `ping security.debian.org`
05:01<cef>(no http:// in that one)
05:01<harrison___>yes but this looks like an completely unrelated error
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05:03<m_robot>i#debian
05:03<m_robot>#debian
05:03<m_robot>itd
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05:04<harrison___>can you ping 217.196.149.233 ?
05:04<m_robot>itd i tried ur command nd got something>?
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05:04<harrison___>that is security.debian.org's ip
05:04<m_robot> i also did curl nd got some text like an html file
05:05<cef>harrison___: that's it's ipv4 address.. notice that he got an error listing an ipv6 address. I suspect his router doesn't reliably do ipv6.
05:05<m_robot>yes i can harrison___
05:05<harrison___>that is good
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05:07<harrison___>ah, but you could also curl it
05:07<m_robot>now what to do?
05:07<m_robot>i did that
05:08<harrison___>yes i mean you did it
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05:08<m_robot>it works well i apt-get update nd got no error
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05:08<chr45>problem solved
05:08<m_robot>it fine thanks a lot all
05:08<m_robot>yup
05:08<harrison___>temporary disconnection than probably
05:08<m_robot>yes
05:08<itd>chr45: How?
05:08<harrison___>it happens, glad it works now
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05:09<cef>harrison___: or, as I said, it's trying IPv6 and not working, then falling back to ipv4
05:09<harrison___>yes, if it happens again just disable ipv6 if the router does not support it
05:10<chr45> booted from usb drive
05:10<chr45> changed sudoers file
05:10<chr45>added my user in it
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05:10<chr45>and now i have root access via sudo
05:11<itd>chr45: Glad it's working now - thanks for sharing. :)
05:11<chr45>sudo passwd root
05:11<chr45>Enter new UNIX password:
05:11<chr45>Retype new UNIX password:
05:11<chr45>passwd: password updated successfully
05:11<chr45>root@debian-i3:/home/chr45# exit
05:11<chr45>chr45@debian-i3:~$ su -
05:11<chr45>Password:
05:11<chr45>root@debian-i3:~#
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05:12<chr45>thanks for helping
05:12<harrison___>now you are the master of the machine
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05:33<harrison___>hello again. can i download deb packages over https with apt?
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05:35<petn-randall>harrison___: Not with the usual servers. But that's not needed, since the package repos are signed and verified by your client.
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05:38<harrison___>there also seems to be an apt-transport package for this
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05:39<zeta>yes, you will need that package if you want to use https anyway
05:39<harrison___>how does verification work? the system gets the initial archive key on the installation media?
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05:40<petn-randall>!apt secure
05:40<dpkg>[apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. The archive signing key can be found at https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html . See also <key>, <no public key>.
05:40<petn-randall>harrison___: ^^^
05:40<Tony>Hello, I'm getting an error trying to install debian stretch. >Debootstrap Error: Failed to determine the codename for the release
05:40<harrison___>thx
05:41<Tony>What should I do?
05:41<petn-randall>!ask
05:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
05:41<petn-randall>Tony: ^^^ Providing the command you're using and the full output would help.
05:41<petn-randall>!paste
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05:41<toad_>USB passthrough doesn't work any more on qemu after upgrading to stretch, even as root ... ideas? I can passthrough the entire controller but only as USB3, and I need USB1 to run the debian installer on the VM ...
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05:44<harrison___>"By default, Debian systems come preconfigured with the Debian archive key in the keyring. " good to know
05:45<Tony>I'll go ahead and explain what happens. I'm using the stretch nonfree gnome live iso image to install. I follow the steps for setting up accounts and stuff, then I do *not* connect to the internet to a debian mirror because the installer doesn't give me WPA-2 Enterprise authentication option, and that is the only network I have avaliable. I continue without connecting, then the time comes to install the base system; Debootstrap Error:
05:45<Tony>Failed to determine the codename for the release.
05:46<cef>Can someone please explain why the `gnome-user-share` package depends on `apache2-bin` and `libapache2-mod-dnssd`??
05:46<petn-randall>cef: It'll usually explain it in the docs in /usr/share/doc/gnome-user-share/
05:47<petn-randall>cef: I'm guessing it's needed for the function of the package.
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05:47<harrison___>maybe it pulls in another package that needs it
05:47<cef>petn-randall: it'd be needed imo if the machine is a server and running apache.. but on a desktop NOT running apache???
05:47<zeta>cef: dnssd is a way for computers to automatically find things on the network
05:48<zeta>which makes sense in the context of shared folders
05:48<cef>zeta: yeah, but libapache2-mod-nssd is the apache SERVER side plugin, not client side anything.
05:48<petn-randall>"gnome-user-share is a small package that allows easy user-level file sharing via WebDAV or ObexFTP. The shared files are announced on the network by Avahi."
05:48<zeta>cef: you are the server when you share a folder
05:48<petn-randall>cef: I'm guessing for the webdav part it needs a webserver.
05:49<cef>and of course, gnome-core depends on gnome-user-share.. *sigh*
05:49*petn-randall shrugs.
05:50<petn-randall>cef: If you want the functionality, you install it. If not, then not.
05:50<cef>imo should be a recommends, not depends. but oh well.
05:51<cef>petn-randall: you get no choice if you want gnome but not gnome-user-share tho.. without jumping through breaking dependency hoops.
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05:52<harrison___>gnome-core depending on g-use-share seems like a sretch
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05:54<cef>harrison___: yeah.. I can understand it being a build dependency , but not an install dependency. Cos I did a security update as was like "what the hell is apache2-bin doing on my desktop machine?".
05:54<toad_>how do I install debian in a VM without GPU?
05:55<toad_>I am unable to passthrough a keyboard so I am trying to do it with just curses ... I don't want to boot a GUI on the server... ???
05:55<toad_>grub is graphical, there must be some way to disable this or install via serial?
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05:57<zeta>cef: you can find the reasoning here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=771183#15
05:57<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/771183 in gnome-core (open, wontfix): «gnome-core: to many uneccesary dependencies»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-11-27; last modified: 2016-11-25.
05:59<cef>toad_: you've done serial installs before?
06:00<cef>toad_: only thing I can think of is to either edit the boot options for the image to add the serial port, or get the k/board working so you can at least interact with grub and edit the cmdline.
06:01<toad_>I'm trying to get the keyboard working, that's the whole problem :( USB passthrough worked with jessie but doesn't work with stretch
06:02<toad_>and it doesn't give me any error messages either once i've fixed the permissions problem
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06:03<petn-randall>toad_: Passing plain old PS2 keyboard/mouse should work.
06:04<toad_>how do I do that?
06:04<toad_>I know it's supposed to be on by default but it doesn't work
06:04<toad_>I've tried adding -usb -usbdevice keyboard, that doesn't work either
06:05<toad_>I thought maybe the GPU passthrough broke it since it needs -nographic
06:05<petn-randall>toad_: Are you configuring the VMs via CLI or something like virt-manager?
06:05<toad_>via CLI
06:05<toad_>so I guess the next step is to install an X server and do it the noob way? :(
06:05<toad_>I don't want an X server here :(
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06:10<harrison___>another option may be to not use gnome at all
06:10<harrison___>@cef
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06:16<fenterprises>Why is everyone quitting?
06:17<harrison___>it is what people do when they face too many problems (j/k)
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06:18<Glanzmann>Hello; I upgraded to jessie a week ago or so and since then I'm unable to startx by using 'startx'. Can someone talk me through what I need to do in order to do the same?
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06:18<Glanzmann>I also had some crashed on my Lenovo X1 Gen3 (complete freeze magic sysrq no longer working). I assume it is related to the framebuffer + xorg/intel combination which I now disabled.
06:19<Glanzmann>By jessie I meant strecht of course.
06:19<towo^work>"unable to startx by using 'startx'" is saying zero
06:19<Glanzmann>towo^work: https://gist.github.com/darkgeek/ada1941d74d1801050d3
06:19<toad_>grrrr, /me has to install X just to install on VM's :(
06:19<toad_>bet this doesn't work either
06:20<Glanzmann>toad_: Why not use ssh X11 forwarding?
06:20<lindi->X11 forwarding is very insecure
06:20<toad_>more sensibly VNC for qemu
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06:21<lindi->spice for qemu is better
06:21<toad_>exactly, you get into the whole area of desktop virtualisation and that stuf
06:21<toad_>f
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06:21<toad_>which is great if you want to use it inside your desktop, but that's not the model I'm aiming for here
06:22<lindi->what are you trying to do? I use spice with the VMs running on a remote server just fine
06:22<toad_>I want to install debian on the VM
06:22<toad_>I have GPU passthrough working fine on all the other VM's
06:22<toad_>but it doesn't work for install because I need a keyboard
06:22<lindi->how about installing via spice and then adding gpu passthrough only after installation?
06:22<toad_>on the other VM's I passthrough a whole USB3 controller ... but that only works *after the kernel has booted*
06:22<toad_>so I can't use it to start the installler
06:23<towo^work>Glanzmann, http://xorg.freedesktop.narkive.com/yyXbgbmQ/not-able-to-start-x-as-normal-user
06:23<toad_>I can't pass through a USB2 controller because the kernel always grabs them all... and they're all part of the motherboard anyway, it messes up io groups
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06:25<Glanzmann>towo^work: I already set the sbit, but checked it again. On Debian Xorg is a wrapper script.
06:25<Glanzmann>So now I set it on the right binary
06:26<Glanzmann>That worked. Thanks a lot.
06:27<Glanzmann>Now I have only one problem pending. In strech, xorg defaults to xinerama which I don't want. I want mirror.
06:27<Glanzmann>Is there a oneliner or do I have to write a xorg.conf?
06:27<toad_>hmmm... install works in X
06:27<toad_>so that's the moral of the story
06:28<toad_>and just disable lightdm when not installing VM's
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06:36<Glanzmann>Everything works, thanks.
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06:39<petn-randall>toad_: Why are you passing *any* hardware through at all?
06:39<toad_>well once it's installed I pass through everything - GPU, USB controller, sound card
06:39<toad_>this is good for full screen for e.g. gaming
06:39<toad_>also it reduces the attack surface considerably
06:40<petn-randall>toad_: I thought you wanted to run it GPU-less.
06:40<toad_>i.e. by avoiding most of the complicated fake device code
06:40<petn-randall>toad_: the VM drivers are a *lot* simpler than real device drivers.
06:40<toad_>if you use paravirt yeah
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06:41<toad_>the nvidia drivers don't work at all if it thinks it's in a VM :(
06:41<toad_>I could probably get that working though with some work
06:42<toad_>but the host is only providing storage and network really ... which is how I want it
06:43<toad_>basically I have 4 different computers for different tasks, and choose between them on bootup
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06:44<petn-randall>toad_: Why not just multi-boot if you're passing through all devices?
06:44<toad_>obviously there are limits to paranoia due to e.g. sharing hardware which likely has its own flash etc ... but at least the separation helps at an administrative level
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06:44<petn-randall>Your setup seems a little convoluted and I can't see your goal in it.
06:44<zeta>!xy problem
06:44<dpkg>Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
06:44<toad_>:)
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06:45<toad_>paranoia really - some of the VM's have more proprietary software than others e.g. official chrome, work packages, games, possibly windows. unfortunately i need official nvidia drivers on all of them. :(
06:46<petn-randall>toad_: You don't in a VM if you just use the stock GPU in there?
06:46<toad_>nouveau is still not quite good enough - gets sticky mouse problems due to unhandled NMI's :(
06:46<toad_>you mean not pass the GPU through at all for work and just pass a framebuffer from the host?
06:47<toad_>then I could arrange some scripting so that I shut down X before starting the games VM...
06:47<toad_>interesting idea, will look into it
06:48<petn-randall>Just install a DE and use those VMs like normal applications.
06:48<toad_>nah, spice and that lot are way too heavyweight, especially if I want to run fullscreen - and a lot of problems are caused by context confusion
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06:49<petn-randall>Yeah, I think context confusion is a big thing right now.
06:49<toad_>hehe on my part :)
06:50<toad_>when it's in console mode both the host and the VM use the same GPU for the console output... this led to some very confusing and entertaining problems when debugging :|
06:50<toad_>it shouldn't happen with iommu etc, I think it's something to do with BIOS
06:51<petn-randall>I'm guessing your setup is doing more harm than good, but that's none of my business.
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06:52<toad_>I can see that it might be better to use spice ... I do think in the long run the maintenance cost would be much higher with a single system
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06:54<toad_>woot, it installed :)
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06:56<toad_>feel free to write me off as a misguided nut :)
06:56<harrison___>i googled for spice and got this: Get the facts about how Spice affects the brain and body.
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08:15<cef>dupondje: what do you mean by "doesn't work for remote servers" ?
08:16<cef>dupondje: Do you mean you can't talk to it from another machine? Or do you mean it doesn't talk to other ntp servers to get the time?
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08:18<cef>dupondje: I'd be looking at networking issues, specifically that either ntpd is starting before your network interface is up, or that it's not being restarted when the network link changes state.
08:19<cef>dupondje: am off to bed, so hope that helps.
08:20<dupondje>cef: well seems like the traffic arrives on the ntpd, but no response from it
08:20<dupondje>service ntp restart, and all works again
08:20<dupondje>odd
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08:33<harrison___>if i close all INPUT ports but 443 to a specific IP via iptables, am i safe against local network attacks? i use IP:443 only to connect to my VPN.
08:34<harrison___>of course, i can still connect to the internet via tun0, but eth0, the physical interface, is almost completely closed
08:36<lindi->harrison___: you are not, your services might still be accessible over ipv6 link local address
08:36<harrison___>ah yes, good point. i did ip6tables -P INPUT DROP etc as well
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08:39<harrison___>etc means also with OUTPUT and FORWARD
08:40<harrison___>maybe i should also stop the services i do not need
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08:42<itd>harrison___: Also consider to define the abilities of your adversary as well as what kind of attacks you want to prevent.
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08:42<lindi->harrison___: also you probably want to allow dhcp
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08:43<snapcrack>best security is to define policies up to the level of your own sophistication. any thing beyond that you are just chasing dragons.
08:44<harrison___>dhcp mysteriously still works, which bothers me a little
08:45<lindi->harrison___: your configuration is probably buggy then
08:45<lindi->harrison___: instead of writing your own iptables rules you might want to use something simpler like ufw too
08:45<harrison___>i think the packets are accepted before they reach iptables? i read something like this on the web
08:46<harrison___>https://serverfault.com/questions/191390/iptables-and-dhcp-questions
08:47<harrison___>dhcp works through a 'raw socket'
08:47<petn-randall>harrison___: Your VPN tunnel is an outgoing connection, right? Then you don't need to allow incoming 443/tcp.
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08:54<serb>hi
08:55<harrison___>ok, so i will put iptables -A INPUT -s <vpn_ip> -p tcp --sport 443 -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED -o eth0 -j ACCEPT ?
08:55<harrison___>or nothing at all?
08:55<harrison___>i think it will just be dropped then
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08:56<lindi->harrison___: INPUT with -o?
08:57<harrison___>sorry, no
08:57<petn-randall>harrison___: Why do you need a separate rule? Just allow all established connections. Unless you want to add a firewall rule for every single TCP connection your browser makes ...
08:57<harrison___>should be -i ofc
08:59<harrison___>yes, but on eth0 i just need that connection
08:59<petn-randall>harrison___: on eth0 you don't need a single incoming connection.
09:00<lindi->well unless you are in a hotel wifi with captive portal
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09:02<lindi->or you want to stream some video to your living room TV with DLNA :)
09:04<harrison___>does this need incoming connections? interesting
09:05<harrison___>well, i think for eth0 it does not matter if i allow all established connections or just the one to the vpn server
09:05<lindi->not incoming connections but incoming packets for sure
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09:07<harrison___>getting a little confused ... lol. yes! what does not need incoming packets?
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09:08<lindi->mostly we were commenting on your "-s <vpn_ip>" part
09:08<duclicsic>almost all network communications require two-way traffic
09:08<lindi->which is probably bit too restrictive for many uses
09:08<duclicsic>but in iptables you just need a single rule permitting RELATED,ESTABLISHED back in, and you'll be fine
09:09<harrison___>my idea is that i want no network traffic on eth0 but the vpn traffic, the rest shall pass over tun0
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09:11<harrison___>so now i want to put an established rule for inputs and an normal rule to -d <vpn_ip> --dport 443 for outputs
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09:12<duclicsic>if you're explicitly defining the hosts/ports you can send packets OUT to, there is no need for the conntrack module when permitting inbound traffic
09:12<duclicsic>you already know the only sources traffic is allowed from
09:13<duclicsic>better to just explicitly define them
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09:13<harrison___>good point
09:14<harrison___>but! i only want to connect if i established the connection myself
09:14<duclicsic>but remember things like DNS.. if your vpn client is configured to connect to a dns name instead of an IP you'll need to permit that initial dns lookup at least
09:15<duclicsic>ok well you can use conntrack for that, but if the only permitted source is the vpn service on your remote system you shouldn't have any concern about it making a connection back to you, right?
09:15<harrison___>dns will go over tun0
09:15<duclicsic>dns cannot go over tun0 when establishing the vpn
09:15<harrison___>true, i have the ip
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09:15<duclicsic>ok then that's fine
09:16<duclicsic>so all you need is a DROP policy on INPUT and OUTPUT, and a single rule in each permitting traffic to/from the vpn server
09:16<duclicsic>a bit paranoid if you ask me, but that's how you'd do it
09:17<harrison___>well i wasn't paranoid in the beginning ... did not turn out so well :-P
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09:17<harrison___>thanks, i will do that
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09:20<harrison___>is there a difference between having a DROP policy or just having an ACCEPT polic with a -j DROP rule in the very end?
09:23<harrison___>probably it is just silly to do it that way, i guess
09:24<duclicsic>there's no functional difference really
09:24<duclicsic>though there are (dis)advantages both ways
09:24<duclicsic>if you flush your rules by accident when the policy is DROP it will end up locking you out of the box
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09:26<harrison___>true
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09:31<FOSSie_bear>hey...
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09:31<harrison___>hey
09:32<FOSSie_bear>did anyone of you experience stalling or freezing os due to problems with c states?
09:33<FOSSie_bear>Somehow I have suffered for almost two years from erroneous cstates and micro freezes :/ I guess it started after I upgraded my CPU from intel t5500 to t9300 :(
09:34<FOSSie_bear>by deactivating c states at boot i could at least mitigate the severity of those freezes...
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09:34<FOSSie_bear>sigh I wonder where I should start diagnosing... any idea?
09:35<FOSSie_bear>windoze is running fine with that processor :'(
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09:37<harrison___>did you find anything in the logs?
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09:38<qbdown>hi
09:38<harrison___>hi
09:39<qbdown>i've some troubles setting up samba with correct permissions. anyone who can help me ?
09:39<duclicsic>qbdown: you're best to just describe the problem, we don't know if we can help until you do
09:40<qbdown>i've set up a sample share (0755 dir, 0644 files mask) and ran "chown root:users". added my samba user to users group. can see the share from windows but can't make any changes (i.e. write/delete)
09:41<duclicsic>the samba config also has read/write definitions iirc
09:41<duclicsic>is the share writeable in the sambe conf?
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09:42<qbdown>yes. I have writeable = yes.
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09:43<FOSSie_bear>harrison__: Nothing :/... But unfortunately around the same time these issues started my GPU started to crash either (gpu fences hit and some stalls)
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09:43<duclicsic>qbdown: does it not produce any log output when you try to write a file?
09:44<duclicsic>i've not touched samba in over a decade, so that's pretty much the limit of my input
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09:45<qbdown>duclicsic: nothing being written to the samba log ;-(
09:46<duclicsic>syslog?
09:46<FOSSie_bear>especially in egl or opengl I have severe stutter (which is regular, every ~1.6s). Wayland is unusable, only x11 desktop is halfway functioning with less stutter
09:46<Blacker47>qbdown, i have no idea about samba, but it sounds like you say "i gave samba only read permissions and now samba can't write".
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09:46<duclicsic>Blacker47 may have noticed what i did not.. those permission masks do not provide group write
09:47<duclicsic>should be 665/664 surely?
09:47<duclicsic>775*
09:47<qbdown>aha - that sounds quite logical actually
09:47<qbdown>let me try that briefly
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09:50<harrison___>maybe you could disable hardware acceleration to test if the problem persists?
09:50<qbdown>drwxr-xr-x 2 root users 4096 Jun 23 15:28 testdir , same issue.
09:50<duclicsic>that's still 755
09:50<duclicsic>needs to be 775
09:51<Jeymz>I've been looking all over and everything I have tried I am still getting mixed results. I am running a variant of debian called armbian, My issueis that every 6 hours I am seeing my data usage on my internet connection push through 1.2 MB. I am limited to a 50MB/month limit on this cellular provider. I have tried turning off all the periodic update checks, but I am still seeing this usage. Can anyone point me in the right direction with this?
09:51<qbdown>duclicsic: oops, typo ... yes now I can create files and files
09:51<duclicsic>Jeymz: sorry bud, we only support the current stable release of debian here
09:51<Jeymz>okay, thanks anyways
09:51<qbdown>duclicsic: can you explain to me as a linux novice why do we need "write permission" to a folder? I thought this was only applicable to files
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09:52<duclicsic>qbdown: if you want to make a new file there, how would we decide if you're allowed? we look at the folder permissions
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09:52<duclicsic>qbdown: it also defines whether you can list the contents of the folder for example
09:53<qbdown>duclicsic: thanks so much :-)
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09:53<duclicsic>yw
09:53<FOSSie_bear>harrison__: what would be the best way to do that? uninstall dri?
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09:56<harrison___>it should be sufficient to switch the xorg driver to vesa or something, but not sure what the official way to do this is
09:57<harrison___>i usually just edited Xorg.conf
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09:57<harrison___>and then someday it was gone ...
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10:10<somiaj>harrison___: xorg.conf is still valid, it is just xorg autodetects most things. You only need a .conf file for things that don't get auto detected correctly.
10:11<somiaj>harrison___: though more prefer /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/foo.conf (these are small configuaration snippits, not the whole file just the piece you need)
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10:11<somiaj>FOSSie_bear: what GPU do you have?
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10:12<FOSSie_bear>somiaj: radeon hd2400
10:12<FOSSie_bear>mobility
10:12<somiaj>do you have the non-free firmware installed for the radeon driver?
10:13<FOSSie_bear>i think so
10:13<somiaj>unsure if this is your issue, if your GPU is going you may want to get a new one. You could force xorg to use vesa (unsure about waylend) but this is software driven and could be fairly slow.
10:13<somiaj>gnome won't work with vesa afiak.
10:14<somiaj>on jessie the package is firmware-linux-nonfree and on stretch it is firmware-amd-graphics
10:14<FOSSie_bear>"radeon 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware radeon/RV610_pfp.bin" gum so it seems to load
10:14<somiaj>you can double check they are installed. the radeon driver may need those for that older card.
10:15<somiaj>FOSSie_bear: I can give you the code to force your system to use vesa, but you will experience a preformance hit. If your gpu is going may need a new one.
10:16<somiaj>http://paste.debian.net/972917/ -- put that in a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf
10:16<somiaj>that will force the vesa driver if you want to test it out. Again I don't think gnome will run with that driver, so you'll have ot use another DE/WM
10:16<FOSSie_bear>somiaj: Well... as windows never showed any signs of problems, i guess it's rather with the drivers than the gpu itself
10:17<FOSSie_bear>isn't there gnome fallback or something i can use... i'll see
10:17<somiaj>you could also check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what is actually lowing.
10:17<somiaj>not anymore, gnome fallback was removed a while ago.
10:18<somiaj>but poke around logs some see if you can figure out what could be th problem if you think it is drivers vs the gpu itself.
10:18<FOSSie_bear>yeah, thank you I#ll reboot and see
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10:27<mr>hi mens
10:28<mr>i need devolper speke with me private
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10:29<mr>i here
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10:33<tacocat>mr: it's much better to just ask your question and wait for someone to respond
10:33<FOSSie_bear>:/ with vesa drivers I could not even enter an openbox session
10:34<mr>thanks
10:34<mr>i want join dark weeb
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10:36<FOSSie_bear>OK... now that's really bizarr... I have undone the changes for my xorg.conf and started an openbox session... and everything is running smoothly... even if i run glxgears, they turn softly around, rather than stuttering...
10:37<gheorghe>is there any german talking channel for linux?
10:37<piper>FOSSie_bear: you can have a look here and get rid of xorg.conf https://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=6475.msg53549#msg53549
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10:38<mamja>lo
10:39<zeta>gheorghe: ask in #debian.de
10:40<harrison___>!de
10:40<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
10:41<harrison___>seems to be at least graphic-related then, FOSSie_bear
10:42<harrison___>maybe you just need another/patched driver, if it is still available for your card?
10:42<somiaj>mr: we have already explained to you that you are asking in the wrong place.
10:43<mamja>yesterday i was really happy b4 the reboot, but since then i am angry about the upgrade to stretch
10:43<harrison___>thanks about the xorg autoconfig info
10:43<FOSSie_bear>piper: I just commented everything in my xorg conf.... but before i had none, anyways
10:44<somiaj>FOSSie_bear: just remove that file if you don't need it anymore. You only need xorg.conf for things that don't get auto detected as I explained eariler.
10:44<FOSSie_bear>harrison__: well mesa should work... at least it did for years
10:45<piper>FOSSie_bear: delete xorg.conf apt remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon and reboot, let us know if you still have freezes
10:45<FOSSie_bear>somiaj: yeah... I just wonder why I had these stutters in gnome 3 but in openbox they are gone :/
10:46<somiaj>FOSSie_bear: it could just be something to do with that older card and 3d rendering. openbox won't use any of those fancy features.
10:46<FOSSie_bear>piper: i'll try in a second
10:46<somiaj>FOSSie_bear: but if the radeon driver doesn't work with that card and gome3, unsure what is the best to do.
10:46<somiaj>FOSSie_bear: I would not suggest removing the packages piper suggested. I don't see how that will do anything to help with your problem.
10:46<somiaj>if you want to change the driver xorg uses, just make a custom xorg.conf
10:47<piper>somiaj: read the thread i posted
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10:47<FOSSie_bear>somiaj: hm i guess the best thing to do is to stick to bare openbox then :'/
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10:48<somiaj>FOSSie_bear: you could try some other drivers, see if you can track down what is wrong if you really want gnome. mate might also be an alternative if are okay witht he gnome2 setup vs gnome3
10:49<somiaj>piper: there are better ways to force the maching to use the modesetting driver over the radeon driver than removing packages, espically if it is for debugging.
10:49<FOSSie_bear>well since plasma seems to be more stable now I'll try that first
10:50<FOSSie_bear>brb
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10:50<harrison___>yew, removing packages to switch drivers seems odd
10:50<harrison___>*yes
10:50<harrison___>there should be another way
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10:51<piper>somiaj: good luck with that, i have a radeon card on one of my workstations, nothing worked, and you can tell from that thread it works for others also, it is in quite a few different forums posted
10:52<somiaj>use an xorg.conf file. The only issue one may have to worry about is blacklisting modules so they don't auto load at boot if one wants to change the kms module that is being used.
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10:56<EmleyMoor>I've got some nfs exports from one machine that are not being fully picked up on by autofs on another... oddly it can see only one of the three it should
10:56<EmleyMoor>Why would that be?
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10:57<somiaj>EmleyMoor: only thing I can think of, is wouldn't hte nfs server have to be configured to broadcast its shares, else autofs might not know about them?
10:57<somiaj>oh wait, seems you configure autofs to know about the share and it mounts them if they are avaiable? (reading up on this)
10:58<somiaj>so it appears you need to configure autofs to know about the shares then restart the daemon, have you done this for the shares it dosen't see?
10:58<EmleyMoor>somiaj: If it can see one it should be able to see all four...
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10:59<EmleyMoor>Ah... on a restart it can
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10:59<Walex>EmleyMoor: your question is strange, why would you expect the exports to be "fully picked up on by autofs on another"?
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11:01<somiaj>EmleyMoor: so that was the issue, you didn't restart the service after configuration autofs to know about the new shares?
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11:01<FOSSie_bear>ok... to conclude: the stuttering and micro freezes are only occurring on gnome3 either x11 or wayland, wayland itself (gles or egl?) works, kde plasma works too (using opengl compositor)...
11:02<FOSSie_bear>seems to be a gnome problem then :/
11:02<EmleyMoor>Walex: Because there was nothing "selective" about the exports, ever, but it found only one.
11:02<EmleyMoor>somiaj: The configuration has stood since the machine was built, quite some time ago
11:03<somiaj>FOSSie_bear: hmm, strange. Do you check for any errors in Xorg.0.log or dmesg when it is shuttering in gnome, maybe see if that gives a clue what gnome is doing different.
11:04<somiaj>FOSSie_bear: you could maybe try to use the modesetting driver over the radeon driver and see if that helps. Modify that small vesa.conf file I shared and change the driver from vesa to "modesetting"
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11:04<somiaj>FOSSie_bear: or you could just use something that isn't gnome since your card doesn't seem to get alogn with it.
11:06<FOSSie_bear>i'll try mode setting
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11:21<FOSSie_bear>well... gnome flashback seems to work... but setting the driver to modesetting did not change anything and there was nothing of interest logged :/... i guess I'll be using kde plasma then... ^_^ thank you for your advice
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12:25<lemaster>hi
12:25<lemaster>somebody here?
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12:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:26<lemaster>alright i have rescatux on a liveusb
12:27<lemaster>and i try to repair the windows partition
12:27<lemaster>i used chkdsk but do you know some alternative about it?
12:28<petn-randall>lemaster: This channel is not about rescatux or Windows. You might want to try ##linux, though.
12:28<Brigo>or #windows?
12:28<grawity>for NTFS? nope, it's either Windows' own tools or Windows' third-party tools
12:28<grawity>the fsck in ntfs-3g is sadly still junk
12:29<lemaster>ok guys
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12:39<Dragomir>Hi
12:39<Dragomir>I was trying to upgrade Debian from Jessie to Stretch so I left it alone for some time after apt-get dist-upgrade
12:40<Dragomir>After several minutes I came back to system that showed no outpit
12:40<Dragomir>It didn't react to any button, command or anything so I had to power it off
12:41<Dragomir>Now all it does is to show deborphan working and fsck output saying disk is clean
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12:42<kion>Dragomir, I would mount the disk on a live system, backup any data left in the Hard Drive, if any, and go ahead and do a fresh install...
12:42<Walex>Dragomir: when 'deborphan' finishes working...
12:43<Walex>Dragomir: powering it off was not a totally good idea.
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12:43<Dragomir>I powered it off way more time after upgrading should be finished
12:43<Walex>Dragomir: if your '/' disk is a hard disk, an upgrade can need to delete and reinstall even hundreds of thousands of files and that can take many hours
12:44<Dragomir>I gave 1 hour for PC to finish dist-upgrade after downloading all the packages
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12:44<Walex>Dragomir: on a flash SSD?
12:44<lindi->just check the log files?
12:44<lindi->no need to guess
12:45<Dragomir>Walex, what was I supposed to do if screen was blank and PC didn't react to any input?
12:46<Walex>Dragomir: check the disk light, switch to another console, try to ping.
12:46<petn-randall>Dragomir: Just run 'dpkg --configure -a && apt-get install -f', that should finish it off it was stuck somewhere.
12:46<Walex>Dragomir: most liekly you can recover.
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12:47<Walex>Dragomir: APT and DPKG are fairly careful to stage package upgrades so things don't get deleted at the wrong time.
12:48<annadane>i guess also you can try to open a virtual terminal by some input like ctrl+alt f1-f6
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12:53<Dragomir>Ok, I'll try
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12:53<Walex>Dragomir: you can use the Debian Installer again, it should be able to recover and continue, worth a try.
12:54<Dragomir>I have no disk light in my laptop
12:54<Dragomir>I'll just listen to disk if it's working
12:56<Dragomir>I'm using the commands by petn-randall, I'll see how it'll turn out
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12:59<Dragomir>I'm kinda limited on Internet transfer, I'll try commands given above first
12:59<Dragomir>I don't want to redownload entire distro again
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13:00<petn-randall>Dragomir: The commands I gave will likely not download anything.
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13:07<Dragomir>Yeah, I know all updates are already cached, petn-randall
13:08<Dragomir>Now it's building initial module for upgraded kernel so it's going somewhere
13:08<gheorghe>why is everybody just updating from older to newer versions? am I the only one that does a fresh install every few months?
13:08<Walex>gheorghe: "every few months" is quite excessive.
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13:09<Walex>gheorghe: on a major new release a fresh install is a good idea if one has customized it extensively, to check the customizations
13:09<Dragomir>Gheorghe, Debian is not windows XP, it can run for years without reinstalling
13:10<gheorghe>Walex: no, it is not excesive. I wanted Ubuntu 16:10, than Ubuntu 17.04, than windows 10, and than Debian 9. i might stay on debian 9 for some time, though ... probably till ubuntu 18.04, if I like the reviews
13:10<Dragomir>Oh ok, distro hopping
13:10<Dragomir>Then you're fine
13:10<gheorghe>yea and i had 2 SSDs also ... the big one had 16.10 for games and normal stuff, and a small one for tests like devstack and kali
13:11<Dragomir>Anyway my system finished working on updates. Now I'll reboot and see what happens
13:11<gheorghe>now with debian 9, i like it so much that i got debian on the small SSD and mounted the big SSD... and I keep my VMs and downloads on the big SSD
13:11<gheorghe>may you have a clean reboot, dragomir
13:11<petn-randall>gheorghe: I've kept my Debian installing and I've been upgrading since about 2006.
13:12<Dragomir>Splash screen is working, that's good sign
13:12<gheorghe>petn-randall, i don't know what you wanted to say. can you please rephrase? :D
13:13<Dragomir>There's new problem though. Debian thinks touchpad is mouse so it doesn't allow me to enable tap to choose in settings
13:14<petn-randall>gheorghe: I haven't reinstalled since 2006. I just upgrade my system. A lot less work.
13:14<gheorghe>petn-randall: you didn't upgrade your PC since 2006? you got the same hardware? for 11 years?
13:15<petn-randall>gheorghe: No, I've kept the OS installation since then.
13:15<Dragomir>It's not impossible, gheorghe. I have 2007 PC working well at home
13:15<Dragomir>Never installed Linux there though
13:16<Dragomir>Anyway I have problem with touchpad I described above
13:16<annadane>though i wonder how often the people with the same pc for years and years shut it off when they're not using it
13:16<annadane>but this is maybe getting off topic
13:16<gheorghe>yea, guys ... but KVM and LXD and games and everything runs incredebly on i7, 16 GB ram and with GTX 970 :D...
13:16<Dragomir>Missing tap to click and disable touchpad while typing
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13:17<Dragomir>GNOME software wants me to reboot and install some updates, I'll do it first
13:17<annadane>i'll take this to #debian-offtopic if anyone wants to talk there
13:18<Dragomir>And at startup I saw some errors on screen before splash was enabled. fstab error? I didn't clearly see
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13:18<Dragomir>No, ACPI error
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13:28<Dragomir>As it went unnoticed, I'll repeat
13:29<Dragomir>I upgraded to Debian 9 and now I can't enable tap to click and disable during typing for touchpad
13:30<grawity>your touchpad configurator probably expects xf86-input-synaptics instead of the new xf86-input-libinput
13:30<grawity>try the CLI; `xinput list-props`
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13:30<Dragomir>With or without sudo?
13:31<grawity>without
13:31<Dragomir>Command not found
13:31<grawity>install it
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13:33<Dragomir>Installed, now it asks for xinput list-props <device>
13:33<grawity>run `xinput` to see the device list
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13:34<Dragomir>There's SYN1B7E:01 touchpad
13:34<Dragomir>And 10 other things
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13:35<Dragomir>Touchpad has ID 4
13:35<Dragomir>Then xinput list-props 4?
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13:35<Dragomir>id 12^
13:36<Dragomir>Ok so I typed it
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13:37<Dragomir>Grawity, now I'm in front of wall of text, what should I look for
13:37<Dragomir>Synaptics blabla config
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13:37<annadane>first of all i think you should slow down
13:37<annadane>you're kind of doing things without waiting for irc input
13:38<Dragomir>Because the command was easily guessable
13:38<annadane>post your "wall of text" to paste.debian.net and post the link here, unless grawity can describe what to do without that
13:40<Dragomir>Grawity, the output I have: paste.debian.net/972948
13:40<grawity>xinput set-prop <device> <property> <value>
13:41<grawity>your output still looks like the old synaptics driver, not libinput
13:41<grawity>so it might be the opposite – GNOME 3 in stretch expects libinput
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13:41<piper>apt policy xserver-xorg-input-libinput apt install xserver-xorg-input-libinput
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13:43<Dragomir>Piper, I tried your commands and input-libinput is already installed
13:43<grawity>iirc, the synaptics driver takes priority if installed
13:44<Dragomir>so uninstall it?
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13:45<grawity>yes
13:45<grawity>or configure it via xinput
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13:46<grawity>personally I would use input-libinput unless the touchpad really works much better with input-synaptics
13:46<grawity>since the latter is officially dead-end
13:46<piper>Dragomir: i don't have a device that uses this but apt purge xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
13:47<Dragomir> package not found, can't uninstall
13:47<Dragomir>Someting else then, piper?
13:48<Dragomir>Oh and I'll check if I'm running wayland or xorg
13:48<Dragomir>Running xorg
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13:48<piper>Dragomir: maybe apt install --reinstall xserver-xorg-input-libinput i have no other ideas
13:48<Dragomir>Ok
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13:50<Dragomir>I reinstalled it, what next
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13:50<piper>Dragomir: don't know, does it work, never had a device a touchpad
13:51<Dragomir>Still missing options in mouse config
13:51<Dragomir>And I logged out
13:52<grawity>dpkg -S /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
13:52<dpkg>Package: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so: Status: install ok installed
13:52<grawity>...
13:52<grawity>not what I expected
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13:56<Dragomir>So it printed out 'xserver-xorg-input-synaptics: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so'
13:56<grawity>sure sounds like that package is installed
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13:57<DragomirPazura_>any ideas?
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13:58<Dragomir>What else could be done
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14:02<ModeLockedCat>oh man, I killed it. Trying to upgrade, I ran into a dependency issue, because the system couldn't read a security label for a package or something. This was after "apt upgrade," attempting "apt full-upgrade," as per https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.dist-upgrade.html. I thought rebooting might help, and now I can't even get to login. Is there a way to repair this? Thanks.
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14:03<mtn>ModeLockedCat: upgrading from what to what?
14:03<ModeLockedCat>Jessie Stable to Stretch
14:03<mtn>ModeLockedCat: how far does the boot get?
14:04<ModeLockedCat>Failed to start Login Service, Accounts Service, ... Network Manager. And it's stuck there
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14:04<mtn>ModeLockedCat: can you do ctrl+alt+f2 at that point and get a prompt?
14:04<ModeLockedCat>nope, just a flashing cursor
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14:05<mtn>ModeLockedCat: you did try ctrl+alt+F2?
14:05<ModeLockedCat>yes, and F3, and F4
14:05<ModeLockedCat>and F7
14:05<mtn>ModeLockedCat: you can use the install disk, advanced options, to get to a repair window. see if you can finish your upgrade
14:06<piper>Dragomir: can you paste apt policy xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-libinput xorg-driver-synaptics
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14:07<mtn>ModeLockedCat: you could also try booting with nomodeset, since it sounds like a video driver problem
14:07<Dragomir>Okay
14:07<piper>Dragomir: use pastebin not here sorry
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14:08<ModeLockedCat>mtn, I'm trying with the boot media now, in "graphical rescue mode"
14:09<mtn>ModeLockedCat: are you running nvidia or amd video?
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14:13<Dragomir>I know, piper
14:13<Dragomir>Just give me a minute
14:15<ModeLockedCat>mtn, I don't think so. It's an older XPS 13.
14:16<ModeLockedCat>libtinfo depended on an older version of libncurses (I think?), but libncurses was going to be upgraded. That was the dependency issue.
14:16<DragomirPazura_>piper, http://paste.debian.net/972958/
14:18<piper>DragomirPazura_: not sure this will work but try apt remove --purge xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-libinput apt install xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-libinput
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14:20<DragomirPazura_>Done, I'll log out and relog
14:20<piper>i am out of ideas
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14:21<ModeLockedCat>mtn, I have a shell on what looks like my root partition. How do I not break things now?
14:21<Dragomir1>OK piper, settings are working
14:21<Dragomir1>Thanks
14:21<piper>no problem, glad it works
14:22<mtn>ModeLockedCat: you use the command line to see if you can finish your upgrade
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14:22<mtn>ModeLockedCat: are you sure your sources are correct? did you read the release notes?
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14:23<ModeLockedCat>I did not read the release notes...
14:24<EmleyMoor>That was odd. My screen went all over greenish-blue and all I could see to do was reboot from a remote machine
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14:24<ModeLockedCat>I was hasty
14:24<mtn>ModeLockedCat: you should have ;) do it now
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14:25<kolp_>hi. is kde4 officially supported on debian 9?
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14:30<deliver>Yes, kolp_
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14:31<deliver>Only the energy-opions wrks with bugs in kde, kolp_
14:32<kolp_>cool! I just upgraded my beloved 8.8 to 9, and am more than disappointed...
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14:33<friki>kolp_: why?
14:33<piper>kolp_: https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170617 https://wiki.debian.org/KDE
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14:33<kolp_>friki: because there is so much b0rken stuff out of the box
14:34<friki>kolp_: ops, ok
14:34<kolp_>in kde5, that is
14:34<friki>i switched to other window managers when kde4 was released :-P
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14:38<ModeLockedCat>mtn, I was using ftp...
14:38<mtn>ModeLockedCat: using ftp for what?
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14:41<friki>ModeLockedCat: i think ftp for apt sources is unsuported now
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14:42<ModeLockedCat>ftp.debian.org. yes friki, I've changed that now. But I still have the package dependency problem
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14:43<ModeLockedCat>libncurses5: Depends: libtinfo5 (= 5.9+20140913-1+b1) but 6.0+20161126-1 is to be installed
14:44<kolp_>piper: those seem to talk kde5 only, or am I missing something?
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14:48<blast007>ModeLockedCat: ftp.debian.org is still fine. It's the protocol that matters, not the hostname.
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14:48<ModeLockedCat>oh
14:48<blast007>http://ftp.debian.org is still HTTP, not FTP
14:48<ModeLockedCat>I knew that >.>
14:49<ModeLockedCat>I'm kind of new at this
14:49<ModeLockedCat>So I have libncurses5 5.9 installed and that version shows as the newest available, for some reason
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14:51<friki>ModeLockedCat: after apt update... apt-cache policy libncurses5 shows 5.9 on stable suite? it shouldn't. 6.0 is released
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14:53<blast007>ModeLockedCat: are you on stretch (or trying to upgrade to stretch)?
14:53<ModeLockedCat>blast007, I'm trying to upgrade
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14:53<blast007>!stretch sources.list
14:53<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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14:55<ModeLockedCat>apt-get is reading from some other list than /etc/apt/sources.list, I think
14:56<blast007>stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
14:57<ModeLockedCat>blast007, yes
14:58<ModeLockedCat>just one line, for chrome
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14:59<ModeLockedCat>but my DNS seems to be broken
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14:59<ModeLockedCat>can't resolve deb.debian.org
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15:02<ModeLockedCat>can't ping google.com, but I can ping IP addresses
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15:06<L00thar>Seems to be a general problem, today?
15:06<ModeLockedCat>okay, update is working now
15:06<ModeLockedCat>dependency still broken
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15:06<kenoby>Hey, anyone else having weird screen flashing problems with vlc? I'm on Stretch updated just before release
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15:21<annadane>hmm, i actually haven't used vlc all that much, i'll just check it briefly
15:22<annadane>no, seems to be ok here
15:22<annadane>though, i'm on buster, so...
15:22<annadane>...should probably just ignore me
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15:23<mr>hi mens
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15:30<kenoby>annadane, please try pausing a video file
15:31<kenoby>and also switching virtual desktop
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15:34<kenoby>maybe it's related to using youtube and vlc simultaneously..
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15:36<deliver>Take similary smplayer as third part, you can nothing watch to much
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15:38<cef>kenoby: you using acceleraed graphics at all?
15:38<cef>err accelerated even
15:39<kenoby>cef, I think so, radeon here
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15:39<cef>kenoby: sure it's working? use something like inxi to check
15:39<kenoby>k
15:39<cef>eg: inxi -G
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15:46<kenoby>cef, https://paste.debian.net/972979/
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15:55<mr>hi
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15:55<mr>i need developer
15:56<annadane>!ask
15:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:56<mr>i want leran hacker
15:56<towo`>harr harr
15:56<annadane>this isn't really the channel for that
15:57<mr>when
15:57<annadane>this is for debian support questions
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15:57<annadane>i don't even know what leran is
15:57<annadane>unless it's a typo of learn
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15:57<mr>you know any channel
15:57<piper>#windows
15:57<towo`>mr if you have to ask, you will never become a hacker
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15:58<mr>i want join channel hacker
15:58<towo`>mr a hacker should at minimum know how to use a search engine
15:58<towo`>mr play elsewhere
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15:59<mr>you can speake franko
15:59<mr>arabic
15:59<towo`>no, i can't and i won't
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15:59<towo`>and now, go away mr
15:59<mr>why
16:00<mr>i need channel for hacker
16:00<annadane>mr if you want to learn hacking you can just search the internet
16:00<mr>you can channel for hacker
16:00<towo`>no, you need brain 1st
16:00<annadane>this isn't the place for it
16:00<mr>the internet stubiet
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16:01<mr>you can join anyone from hexchat
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16:01<annadane>there's apparently #hacking and ##hacking on freenode
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16:01<annadane>now please stop asking here
16:01<mr>thanks
16:02<ryouma>they probably just mean "use computers skillfully" (the old meaning of the term)
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16:02<ModeLockedCat>you think?
16:02<ryouma>dunno
16:02<annadane>good grief
16:03<annadane>#debian attracts the crazies
16:03<ryouma>they seem distributed across all channels to me
16:03<piper>Abso-freak'n-lutely ☺ ☕
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16:04<annadane>you can't "learn" hacking. it's an entire ever-changing distributed method
16:04<annadane>i probably should have said that
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16:19<kritzefitz>I'm planning on switching my mail server from Exim to Postfix. Unfortunately I don't have a machine that is cabable of handling incoming mail while I configure postfix. Any ideas how I can keep the downtime to a minimum?
16:20<lindi->kritzefitz: virtual machines?
16:21<kolp_>kritzefitz: set up and test postfix on different ports?
16:21<kritzefitz>kolp_ The problem with that is that dpkg won't allow me to have exim and postfix installed at the same time.
16:21<kolp_>kritzefitz: and/or different IP
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16:22<kolp_>oops, ok... :)
16:22<gheorghe>LISTEN 0 10 *:3689 *:* users:(("rhythmbox",pid=8283,fd=16))
16:22<gheorghe>why is rhythmbox listening on 3689?
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16:23<kritzefitz>lindi-: The actual problems isn't the machine (yeah, I lied, sorry) but the internet connectivity. The hardware I'm running on already is a virtual machine and the only one under my control that is reachable from the internet.
16:25<kritzefitz>I thought about taking some minimal MTA that can accept incoming mails while I work, but my internet searches didn't bring up anything useful.
16:25<grove>kritzefitz: Many virtualisation techonologies stack, so you can run a virtual machine on another virtual machine.
16:26<gheorghe>nevermind, found it. rhythmbox is sharing on the network by default
16:26<lindi->kritzefitz: you could also setup postfix to run in some other port than 25 while you set things up
16:26<grove>Why would some minimal MTA be better than leaving exim running?
16:27<kritzefitz>lindi-, grove: dpkg won't let me install exim4 and postfix and postfix at the same time.
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16:28<grove>kritzefitz: But that's probably not specific for the combination of exim and posfix, but for anything providing a MTA
16:28<lindi->kritzefitz: ah, then indeed virtual machine or chroot is your best option
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16:29<kritzefitz>chroot seems like a good option and easier to setup than a full virtual machine.
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16:31<grove>WARNING - you might break things if you follow this without being careful - If your exim setup is simple maybe you can replace the version from the debian package with a manually installed, then dpkg won't know it's there
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16:32<kritzefitz>grove: That might work, but a chroot seems definitely safer.
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16:33<kritzefitz>With "minimal MTA" I meant something I can just download as one file (thus not installing it via dpkg). Sorry for bein so implicit.
16:33<grove>Playing with postfix in a chroot is probably a better idea, but if I remember correctly postfix tries to chroot some things itself, so things might get complicated
16:35<kritzefitz>Thanks for the help!
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16:35<lindi->grove: chroots should be fully nestable
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16:38<grove>lindi-: Yes, but if you do anything wrong, you might be to think carefully about where a daemon will be chrooted to when fixing it. I specifically only said "complicated"
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16:39<grove>kritzefitz: A whole different solution might be to see if you have a friend with a mailserver that can receive and spool mail for you while you play
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16:42<kritzefitz>grove: That's also a good idea. I will ask around, but my options there are definitely limited.
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16:53<annadane>where's the link for the changelog for the administrator handbook?
16:54<annadane>specifically going forwards, to account for stretch
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17:57<geeklint>I got an interesting system crash, looking for information on where to post (bug report, or similar)
17:59<mtn>geeklint: does this help? https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+bug+tracker&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
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19:11<technomancy>I have an inexplicable mystery which I could use some help with.
19:12<technomancy>I have a thinkpad which I recently updated to stretch, and since upgrading whenever I ssh in from another machine, every keystrokes is subject to massive lag, anywhere from one to six seconds.
19:12<technomancy>However, when I ssh from this machine to another machine, and then back to the original machine, there is no noticeable lag.
19:13<technomancy>I have no idea how this is even possible. Any ideas?
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19:23<danielsh>assuming you talk about 'B$ ssh A' and 'A$ ssh -t B ssh A'
19:23<danielsh>for one, your envvars will be different between the two cases
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19:25<danielsh>it'd really help to narrow down the problem as much as possible. Start /bin/sh instead of your usual shell, minimise your ~/.ssh/config / sshd_config files, ...
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19:27<technomancy>danielsh: here's what's really bizarre: I start on A and ssh into B, and start a tmux session there. inside tmux I connect back to A, and my connection is fine. from B I attach to the exact same tmux session with the exact same ssh session, and I get hit by a truckload of lag.
19:27<technomancy>honestly I don't know if I would believe it if I weren't seeing it with my own eyes
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19:33<cef>technomancy: try ssh b to a, while running pings to b from a.
19:34<cef>technomancy: if that gets no lag, i'd be guessing that it's a kernel bug, probably network driver related, on B, probably to do with interrupts not being generated or processed.
19:36<technomancy>cef: fascinating; I'm getting 300-500ms ping lag from B to A, *unless* I'm typing on A on its connection to B, in which case it drops to 1-5ms
19:37<cef>technomancy: try the ping in the reverse dir as well.
19:37<technomancy>cef: ah, the lag goes away when I connect over eth0
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19:38<cef>technomancy: I've seen weird stuff like that with broken network drivers, or in some cases aggressive power saving.
19:38<cef>technomancy: oh, wireless?
19:40<technomancy>cef: thanks for the tip; I used powertop to turn off wireless power saving and that did it
19:40<technomancy>much obliged!
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19:40<cef>technomancy: wireless cards in power save modes try not to send data. they'll poll unless sending data.
19:40<cef>technomancy: no probs. :D
19:40<mr>hi mens
19:41<mr>mens
19:41<cef>technomancy: the AP holds onto the data for the client till the client polls, which is regular, but slow.
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19:42<cef>technomancy: there's usually a few levels of power saving, so you can choose how much it tries to save (ie: less frequent polling, slower back-off, etc).
19:42<technomancy>cef: yeah... understandable that it's a hard problem
19:42<technomancy>efficiency and power saving are always mortal enemies
19:42<cef>yup
19:42<technomancy>err--throughput and power saving
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19:49<danielsh>my new laptop has a powersaving mode where it just fedexes the packet to the recipient
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21:05<thomasross>hi, how come bash-completion is still on version 2.1? am I missing something or is there something preventing it from being updated?
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21:08<txt-file>thomasross, Is there a newer version upstream?
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21:09<casa2100_>ttttt
21:10<deliver>* casa2100_
21:10<casa2100_>oi
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21:11<deliver>Did you make a test in typing
21:11<bismarck>Hey, i need a back up plan online with unlimited storage, I have heard some good things about crash plan would this make a good choice, or is there better?
21:11<casa2100_>yes
21:11<thomasross>txt-file: there seems to be 2.5 here: https://github.com/scop/bash-completion/releases
21:11<casa2100_>i am new here
21:11<thomasross>2.1 was released in 2013!
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21:12<casa2100_>i am brazilian
21:12<thomasross>(http://bash-completion.alioth.debian.org/ redirects to that github repository)
21:12<casa2100_>i live in Sao Paulo
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21:13<deliver>This is a chat about debian not a tindermatch casa2100_
21:13<casa2100_>i need help
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21:13<piper>!ask
21:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:14<casa2100_>my armitage with error loading stdapi -try later again
21:15<piper>use pastebin and paste exact error, you are talking ssd right
21:15<txt-file>thomasross, https://bash-completion.alioth.debian.org/ is it's own site for me
21:16<thomasross>txt-file: that's very weird - the site appears for a moment then redirects to the github repo for me. what browser are you using?
21:16<casa2100_>when i scanner one ip ..he dont file explorer//processes//
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21:16<thomasross>txt-file: seems like http redirects, https doesn't
21:17<txt-file>thomasross, GNU IceCat … now it redirected me too
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21:17<thomasross>very weird
21:17<thomasross>it says there's #bash-completion so i'll go ask there
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21:18<piper>apt purge $ (dpkg -l | awk '/ virtualbox / {print $ 2}') && apt install virtualbox-qt
21:18<piper>ah shit wrong channel sorry
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21:19<thomasross>txt-file: i take it back, i'm wrong. the page always redirects there - it was just still loading over https
21:19<txt-file>thomasross, As the channel topic of #bash-completion is heavily outdated I do not expect an answer. But I wish you luck.
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21:21<thomasross>txt-file: thank you. I will also ask on the mailing list
21:21<txt-file>thomasross, might be better
21:21<thomasross>if not I'll see if I can package it myself
21:21<thomasross>currently i'm extremely frustrated by npm
21:24<thomasross>txt-file: i found this in the archives... http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/bash-completion-devel/2016-December/006005.html
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21:25<txt-file>gives 404 for me
21:25<txt-file>gives email for me … I just missed on character
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21:31<txt-file>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=bash-completion looks like there is more then enough work to do
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21:40<thomasross>You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
21:40<thomasross>been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are
21:40<thomasross>being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
21:40<thomasross>oops sorry for spam
21:42<txt-file>you might need to subscribe first
21:43<thomasross>yeah i'll try that in a sec
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21:45<thomasross>sent it, had to subscribe
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21:50<thomasross>txt-file: i just got this email automatically: bash-completion-devel-owner@lists.alioth.debian.org.
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22:35<thomasross>is npm gone in stretch?
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22:35<ale2325>holaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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22:38<stormchaser3000>hi. i can't seem to enable gnome desktop effects on debian stretch
22:38<stormchaser3000>is there a reason why the desktop effects wouldn't be working in the first place?
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22:43<annadane>,v npm
22:43<judd>Package: npm on amd64 -- sid: 1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2
22:43<annadane>thomasross, apparently
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22:46<thomasross>yep... https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2017/03/msg00928.html
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22:48<annadane>yeah, seems a bit silly
22:48<annadane>i don't know the history of it however
22:48<thomasross>well... the version packaged was three years old
22:48<thomasross>which is not acceptable for a package like npm
22:49<thomasross>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=857986
22:49<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/857986 in npm (open, stretch, moreinfo, buster, sid): «npm: package is 3 years old (consider removal?)»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-03-16; last modified: 2017-06-18.
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23:09<F12>Hi
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23:19<inluxbdx>teste
23:19<inluxbdx>anyone could help me how to use the help command?
23:20<inluxbdx>ls
23:20<ryouma>which one?
23:20<inluxbdx>I just connected to irssi and debian group, but I try to use /help
23:20<inluxbdx>and didn't work
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23:25<inluxbdx>well,I think this is the main chat, Am I correct?
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