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00:08<valdyn>it works fine, see the output at alt-1
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00:51<xvistaman>hello
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00:53<xvistaman>i had a question if i wanted to build a new kenrel and install it via a deb package and ran update-grub would the older kernel still be in the grub boot list at boot or would just the newer kernel be in the list and also would that just allow me to uninstall the kernel via apt or dpkg
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01:17<somiaj>xvistaman: you should use the 'make deb-pkg' target, and build a debian package, then install it. From there you can use dpkg to isntall/remove kernels and you will have multiple enteries for each kernel.
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01:20<xvistaman>ok yes that was how i was going to build it my main concern was if i would still be able to boot the offical kernel and my new one i wanted to test and easy uninstall of the new kernel i think that answers it thnx
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01:37<somiaj>Provided the kernel it makes has an actual different package name.
01:38<somiaj>xvistaman: so it just can't have the package name linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64, but you most likely won't have that debian -3 added
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01:51<xvistaman>are there any good reads on the config options in make menuconfig i know what some of them do but a nice read on all the options and there use would be nice in a rather simple explanation some docs get a bit to out there in the lingo for me
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02:33<dtw>xvistaman, Freenode channel #kernelnewbies might have more knowledge.
02:35<dtw>xvistaman, no, the channel seems to be here on OFTC network.
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02:47<Glanzmann>Hello, since I updated to stretch I have problems with my X setup: It does no longer use the intel driver mode modesetting or vesa. A friend of mine told me that I can force the intel driver. I tried to do that by creating a file: https://pbot.rmdir.de/Ne1etn8CCrBNRZ9L476VVQ > /usr/share/./X11/xorg.conf.d/10-intel.conf Now I get a a fatal error 'no screens found' full output here:
02:48<Glanzmann>https://pbot.rmdir.de/u5KN79LoPeAPakCyvdbDkA
02:48<Glanzmann>Any ideas how to resolve this issue?
02:49<xvistaman>i think i scrwed up something i accidently installed a deb called linux-libc-dev genreated by "make deb-pkg" when i built the new kernel and i got this
02:49<xvistaman>Preparing to unpack linux-libc-dev_4.11.7-1_amd64.deb ...
02:49<xvistaman>Unpacking linux-libc-dev (4.11.7-1) over (4.9.30-2+deb9u1) ...
02:49<xvistaman>dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/asm': Directory not empty
02:49<xvistaman>Setting up linux-libc-dev (4.11.7-1) ...
02:49<dpkg>xvistaman: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
02:49<xvistaman>Unpacking linux-libc-dev (4.11.7-1) over (4.9.30-2+deb9u1) ...
02:49<xvistaman>dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/asm': Directory not empty
02:49<xvistaman>Setting up linux-libc-dev (4.11.7-1) ...
02:49<dpkg>xvistaman: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
02:52<xvistaman>guess i dont know how to use the /msg dpkg guy
02:55<jmcnaught>Glanzmann: /etc/X11 is a better place to put files that you create. /usr is supposed to be exclusiely for files from packages, with the exception of /usr/local. Also if this is a fairly new Intel GPU then it could require a firmware blob now
02:56<jmcnaught>Glanzmann: see https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch under upgrade issues
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02:58<Glanzmann>jmcnaught: Thank you, I'll see if I have the firmware blobs installed.
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03:09<xvistaman>ok i think i got it fixed i used "sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-libc-dev=4.9.30-2+deb9u1
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03:09<xvistaman>said it downgraed the package
03:10<xvistaman>seems to me it should be back the way it was before i guess i hope
03:10<xvistaman>O_O
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03:13<xvistaman>time to try and boot the new kernel i built i installed the firmware package and linux-image packages that the make deb-pkg generated and ran update-grub siad it found it so lets give it a try XD
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03:16<xvistaman>seems to work ok ill use it for a while see if i ran into any problems
03:17<xvistaman>guess ill find out about that problem package if i try and build something and it dont build or work
03:17<xvistaman>i think i got it fixed tho as far as the old kernel and building things goes
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03:45<kums>hi everyone
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03:47<RAINBOW_FAG_PRIDE_420>Hello
03:47<RAINBOW_FAG_PRIDE_420>jelly: are you the same jelly from freenode?
03:47<RAINBOW_FAG_PRIDE_420>and are you an op here too?
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03:49<m_robot>installing a .tar.gz file, after extracting no install file exists?
03:49<emoon[m]>hilarious names, all of you
03:49<RAINBOW_FAG_PRIDE_420>I GOT KICKBANNED ON IRC.FREENODE.NET #DEBIAN
03:49<RAINBOW_FAG_PRIDE_420>BY JELLY
03:50<RAINBOW_FAG_PRIDE_420>SO jelly NEEDS TO FUCK OFF
03:50<emoon[m]>lol
03:50-RAINBOW_FAG_PRIDE_420:#debian-RAINBOW FAG PRIDE 420!!!!!!
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03:52<m_robot>installing a .tar.gz file, after extracting no install file exists?
03:53<jelly>m_robot: a .tar.gz file in general is just an archive, installation instructions may be provided by whoever created it
03:54<m_robot>i wanted to install a software its format is .tar.gz bt no installation process?
03:54<m_robot>specified
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03:56<jelly>which software? what do the contents of the archive look like?
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04:00<jelly>it might be "unpack it into a directory somewhere and use it" or it might be source code
04:00<m_robot>utorrent for debian...it contains a zip file nd a folder..some .doc files ...
04:00<m_robot>jelly:
04:03<blast007>m_robot: I'd suggest using Transmission instead
04:04<jelly>it's hardly "for debian" if it comes in a tarball :-|
04:04<jelly>m_robot: where did you get it from, exact url?
04:05<m_robot>http://www.utorrent.com/downloads/linux
04:05<m_robot>transmiision isnt so good .. blast007
04:06<jelly>m_robot: which one?
04:06<blast007>what does transmission lack?
04:06<m_robot>µTorrent Server for Debian 7.0
04:07<jelly>32bit or 64bit?
04:07<m_robot>i found it doesnt properly utilize d net speed
04:07<m_robot>64bit
04:08<jelly>m_robot: so it unpacks into a directory tree, and there's exactly one executable in there.
04:08<jelly>I guess you just run that
04:08<m_robot>utserver
04:08<m_robot>r u talking abt that
04:08<m_robot>should i try ./utserver
04:08<jelly>-r-xr-xr-x admin/admin 1434544 2014-01-15 11:47 utorrent-server-alpha-v3_3/utserver
04:09<jelly>yes
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04:09<m_robot>dosing so
04:09<jelly>it's 3+ years old, it may have many bugs
04:10<m_robot>then what should i do?
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04:12<blast007>m_robot: we can't offer support for utorrent
04:13<jelly>configure transmission so it uses more bw? make sure you have inbound as well as outbond connections working? dunno
04:14<jelly>transmissions eats my 20/5 line without issues, I have to limit it
04:15<m_robot>good
04:15<m_robot>it isnt working nothing happening ./utserver.
04:15<m_robot>still thanks alot
04:16<blast007>well, it is a server, so it's not going to launch a GUI, if that's what you're expecting
04:16<blast007>it's probably got a web interface
04:17<m_robot>yes it had some html, css files in it
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05:07<kumz>hi
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05:08<kumz>i got an issue in wine installation
05:08<kumz>i need support
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05:10<jelly>!ask
05:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
05:10<jelly>kumz: ^^
05:10<kumz>hi
05:11<kumz>i got an issue in wine installation
05:11<kumz>i need support
05:11<blast007>you already said that
05:11<blast007>how about you try asking a real question with real information
05:12<kumz>real question ?
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05:12<blast007>!next
05:12<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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05:30<EmleyMoor>I've got an odd one... often, when I restart this machine, one of my other machines only sees one of its NFS shares when it comes back (using autofs). I have to restart autofs on that machine to make it come back, and that machine can't do its backup if I don't
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06:04<EmleyMoor>What command do I need to give to do a basic setup of exim?
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06:07<EmleyMoor>Ah, sorted
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07:29<rrooij>Hey, I want to contribute a patch to the vrms package, but I don't know where I should send the patch. The mailing list is full of spam.
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07:45<jelly>rrooij: which mailing list? You can always file a Severity: wishlist bug report against the package and attach your patch
07:50<rrooij>jelly: This one: https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/vrms-devel/
07:50<rrooij>jelly: and thanks for the suggestion
07:50<jelly>then again it has bugs 15 years old
07:51<rrooij>jelly: Yeah, and it's functionality can almost be replaced by one dpkg query...
07:51<jelly>well, yes and no
07:52<jelly>consider #537941
07:52<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/537941 in vrms (open): «vrms: Don't list GDL packages, but do list .NET applications»; severity: normal; opened: 2009-07-21; last modified: 2010-05-19.
07:52<jelly>a virtual rms should probably think as close to real one, that is, not consider GFDL documentation as non-free
07:52<rrooij>judd: Haha, that's true. The Debian free software guidelines are not the same as Stallman's vision.
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07:53<jelly>or at least have a option like the suggested --fsf-worldview or --dfsg-worldview
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07:57<rrooij>jelly: I agree
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07:58<rrooij>jelly: do you think it's pointless to report a wishlist bug with the attached bug? Since there are so many unresolved.
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08:00<jelly>maybe it isn't. There has been a recent release (this year) with some bugs fixed, and if you have a ready-made patch easy to integrate it shouldn't be too hard to deal with it
08:01<dvs>!wwbr
08:01<dpkg>GO AWAY. I'M RESTING! I'VE ONLY JUST RELEASED STRETCH!
08:01<dvs>ha ha ha
08:03<gheorghe>omg ahahahha =)))
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08:08<jelly>rrooij: if you're using vrms and actually interested in it performing better and maybe fix or close old bugs, you could ping h01ger, he seems to have done the 2017 upload
08:08<rrooij>jelly: thanks for the suggestion. :)
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08:09<jelly>!qotd0
08:09<dpkg><greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ.
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08:10<BrainError404>Hi, idk why but with jessie apt-key doesn't work anymore
08:10<BrainError404>*stretch
08:11<gheorghe>i think dpkg is in a bad mood today
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08:11<BrainError404>I typed apt-key add "~/repokey.key.asc" and it says:
08:11<BrainError404>gpg: WARNING: nothing exported
08:12<BrainError404>gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
08:12<BrainError404>gpg: Total number processed: 0
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08:15<grawity>if you quote the "~/" then it looks for a folder literally named that way
08:16<BrainError404>grawity, donw without quote, same thing
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08:28<BrainError404>grawity: why it doesn't import?
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09:04<rrooij>jelly: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865747
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09:06<BrainError404>ath10k_pci 0000:03:00.0: firmware: failed to load ath10k/cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin
09:06<BrainError404>wrong line
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09:07<BrainError404>[ 10.819118] ath10k_pci 0000:03:00.0: Direct firmware load for ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin failed with error -2
09:07<BrainError404>How can I solve?
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09:18<Brigo>BrainError404, is the firmware installed?
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09:22<MichaelP>Does debian tune the sound server ? Music sounds better then in most distro's..
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09:22<grawity>are you comparing the same sound server in all of them?
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09:23<MichaelP>Don't most use pulse audio ?
09:24<grawity>it varies
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09:24<grawity>I think the only reason Debian uses PA by default is because GNOME 3 depends on it
09:25<grawity>it's also possible that it's dependent on PA version and/or kernel version
09:25<MichaelP>i know in arch plasma.. my phonon backend in phonon vlc. like here in debian 9
09:26<grawity>as far as Debian goes, it doesn't look like pulseaudio has any special config
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09:27<MichaelP>i know every pulse audio daemon.conf.. i have seen is stock
09:30<MichaelP>guess maybe it taking there time. Getting all the bugs out of everything. That makes that difference.
09:31<grawity>well yes
09:31<grawity>pulseaudio used to be garbage when Ubuntu first started using it
09:33<MichaelP>lol.... think the only time you get a good ubuntu is using something besides unity.
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09:33<BrainError404>I need to know what non-free driver I can download for Intel Corporation HD Graphics 520
09:33<BrainError404>Brigo: if it's proprietary not
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09:33<grawity>BrainError404: Intel doesn't have any proprietary drivers
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09:37<amacater>firmware-linux-nonfree, firmware-misc-nonfree
09:38<need_help>Hello. I'm using Debian 8.8. My netbook has a battery in it, but it's not recognized on HardInfo. So I forgot to plug it on the socket and it turned off, without alerting me.
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09:38<need_help>Do I need any kind of firmware to make my battery be recognized?
09:39<need_help>Also, this channel does not accepts connections from Tor?
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09:41<MichaelP>you could have a bad battery
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09:56<Brigo>BrainError404, this looks like an atheros driver.
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10:56<need_help>I dont think it's a bad battery
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10:57<need_help>I was able to check my battery charge status on Ubuntu
10:57<need_help>But on Debian, I cannot
10:57<Megaf>Whats the channel for kfreebsd folks?
10:57<need_help>Which program controls the battery status?
10:58<Megaf>need_help, whats your graphical environment?
10:58<Megaf>KDE? GNOME? XFCE? LXDE?
10:58<need_help>Megaf, I'm using LXDE
10:59<Megaf>so you can add to the task panel the battery indicator
10:59<Megaf>right click on the panel
10:59<Megaf>and click add
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11:02<need_help>Add plugins
11:02<need_help>"Add/remove items from the panel"
11:02<Megaf>[16:02:45] <need_help> "Add/remove items from the panel"
11:02<Megaf>dat
11:02<need_help>There's no battery indicator
11:03<need_help>in the plugin list
11:03<Megaf>hm
11:03<need_help>But OK, now I know it's something LXDE should provide
11:04<Megaf>Battery Monitor
11:04<Megaf>thats how is called
11:04<Megaf>you click add/remove items, you clock add, there will be Battery Monitor there
11:04<Megaf>here is the third item
11:05<need_help>Good
11:05<need_help>Added
11:06<need_help>But Megaf, should I be worried that HardInfo cannot detect my battery?
11:06<Megaf>Not at all
11:06<Megaf>need_help, myself, when my laptop baterry led begin to blink I know I should charge
11:07<need_help>I will try this battery indicator added now and see if it's sufficient for me. It probably is.
11:08<need_help>Megaf, by the way, do you know if this channel can be accessed through Tor?
11:09<Megaf>likely
11:10<need_help>I tried, but seems to be blocked
11:10<bremner>have you followed https://www.oftc.net/Tor/
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11:11<need_help>bremner, I can connect to the server through Tor
11:11<need_help>But joining the #debian channel results in +b, which means banned
11:11<bremner>right. it seems some op has banned tor users in this channel
11:11<bremner>probably because many of them were trolling and spamming
11:12<bremner>tragedy of the commons, again.
11:12<need_help>There is nothing in the documentation you linked that requires me to do something special
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11:12<bremner>yeah, I just checked the ban list for the channel
11:12<need_help>bremner, isn't it possible to just register the nick in order to avoid the ban?
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11:13<bremner>I don't think so, not in it's current form
11:13<Guest3239>Hi there!
11:13<need_help>The documentation says: "However, it is also common for channels to allow an exception for identified Tor users, who have turned on their cloak."
11:14<bremner>need_help: or maybe. the ban is *!*@*.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
11:14<bremner>so, if your cloak does not match that, you're fine
11:14<Guest3239>Have a question. Thursday I updated my Jessie server, but now I get signal11 errors from my 'old application' but I need to use it :-(
11:14<Guest3239>Is there a way to rollback the update(s)
11:14<need_help>Good, thanks bremner. I'll try later
11:15<Guest3239>I don't know which is bad?
11:15<Guest3239>Or do I have to reinstall it?
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11:16<Guest3239>(I have two servers running and both don't run the server app anymore....
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11:28<user_>can i use awesome 3.4.15 with debian 9?
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11:31<blast007>user_: Debian 9 has 4.0
11:31<user_>yes
11:31<user_>i want the old version
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11:32<friki>user_: try adding oldstable sources
11:32<blast007>no, do NOT do that
11:32<user_>no dats break things
11:32<user_>*dat wud break
11:32<blast007>if you really want the older version, you'd have to build it all yourself
11:34<user_>ok. wud it upgrade after apt upgrade?
11:34<blast007>hmm, yeah, it might be a bit interesting ;)
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11:40<friki>i've just installed awesome from jessie over debian9 and launched on a virtual x server (xvfb). i think it's working
11:41<friki>i'ts just a quick test, of course
11:41<user_>u changed sources.list to jessie to install awesome?
11:41<friki>yap
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11:42<user_>dats wud break things
11:42<user_>* dat wud
11:42<blast007>!don't break debian
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11:42<dpkg>dont break debian is, like, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
11:43<bremner>user_: I'm afraid you'll have to build from source if you want to reliably use the old version with debian 9
11:43<user_>hm
11:44<friki>i keep both in sources list: stretch and jessie. apt update && apt install awesome=3.4.15-1+b1. you can hold awesome to avoid upgrades
11:45<blast007>friki: please stop suggesting that.
11:45<friki>blast007: sorry what's your point?
11:45<dboles>just because it happens to work for this one person for this one package, so far, does not mean it is good advice
11:45<blast007>!frankendebian
11:45<dboles>this channel is about giving good advice
11:45<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
11:45<grove>friki: You're basically encouraging people to break their systems
11:46<blast007>friki: and read the "don't break debian" link that dpkg linked above
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11:46<friki>maybe i'm so advanced user to be afraid of downgrades after +15 years using debian, sorry. Don't do tat at home without adult supervision
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11:48<user_>how do u install old dist package by restricting the same package from newer dist?
11:48<friki>i'm really sorry, just trying to help
11:48<blast007>user_: just build from source
11:48<user_>ok
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11:50<blast007>you could try adding a deb-src line for jessie and use that to pull the source for the older awesome, but I have no experience with this sort of thing
11:50<gaznevada>also check this https://wiki.debian.org/CheckInstall
11:50<user_>hm
11:51<user_>i think just mention version apt install
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11:51<friki>it will be funny. I'll keep wathing all this proces eating popcorn
11:52<user_>y so?
11:52<gaznevada>what's wrong with building from source friki?
11:52<friki>gaznevada: nothing
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11:53<friki>i think it's a waste of time, but for sure i'm wrong
11:53<dboles>'it will be hilarious to watch this other user trying to do something the right way, instead of my bodge'
11:53<gaznevada>don't take it personally
11:53<friki>i don't. I never do :-)
11:54<friki>maybe my solution is just a quick hack
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11:55<user_>yea
11:55<blast007>friki: your way is a quick way to painful dependency issues and a broken system
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11:55<friki>using debian snapshot or apt pinning on jessie is also unrecommended way?
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11:56<blast007>"When pinning, you must ensure compatibility of packages by yourself since Debian does not guarantee it. Note that pinning is completely optional, and Debian does not encourage pinning without thorough consideration." https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
11:56<friki>user_: i'm curious about why you don't want Awesome from stretch
11:58<user_>hmm after all this using awesome from stretch is easier lol
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11:59<user_>there were few changes as well as issues i m facing in awesome stretch
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12:00<grove>Just installing the package from Jessie might work reasonably for awesome, but in general having multiple releases in sources.list is a sure way of breaking your system
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12:00<friki>so, no more popcorn? :-/
12:01<user_>hm
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12:03<user_>is ur menus updating proper wen u install a new package?
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12:05<dboles>program menus? when they update is a function of which desktop environment/shell you use, and when it rescans the desktop files
12:05<user_>yes
12:06<dboles>hint: "which desktop environment/shelll you use"
12:06<dboles>what is it?
12:06<user_>awesomewm is my desk env
12:07<dboles>haha oops, i though i had switched channel, sorry
12:08<friki>user_: i think it should update menu after installing software, yes
12:08<user_>no it is not
12:08<user_>many didnt update
12:08<user_>few did
12:09<user_>and as far as i know it is debian specific
12:09<friki>some packages doesn't have a menu entry
12:09<user_>menu is the package which takes care of it
12:09<user_>they hav menu entry
12:09<user_>firefox, libreoffice
12:09<user_>they are nt updating
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12:13<user_>i cant even use xdg_menu command in debian
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12:15<friki>user_: i use dmenu
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12:18<user_>it comes under suckless-tools ri8?
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13:36<qbdown>hello. I know this might not be strictly debian related, but i´ve installed MariaDB and changed the root password. When I am in my terminal with the root user, I can log in fine. From any other user, i will get a failed to login message, but the password is correct?
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13:41<gheorghe>qbdown, what command are you logging in with?
13:41<gheorghe>try mysql -u root -pPASSWORD
13:42<gheorghe>or just "mysql -u root -p", if you fear leaving passwords in history
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13:57<qbdown>thanks, that fixed it!
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14:56<jamesawagner3>Hey all, so somewhere in the stretch development cycle, task-xfce-desktop became dependent on light-locker. For reasons, I use xscreensaver. I want to remove light-locker, because I have two different ways the screen can lock now, and the idle timing behavior is inconsistent. I went to purge light-locker so that only xscreensaver will handle locking, and that forces the removal of task-xfce-desktop.
14:57<jamesawagner3>Is there a way to tell apt that the dependency on light-locker for package task-xfce-desktop is satisfied by xscreensaver?
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14:57<jamesawagner3>My recollection of that last time I had an issue like is "No.", but I figured I'd ask anyway.
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15:00<jmcnaught>jamesawagner3: if the task-xfce-desktop package explicitly depends on the light-locker package then probably the best thing to do is disable light-locker without removing it, so that you keep the task package (which helps facilitate future upgrades)
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15:04<jamesawagner3>Okay, that makes sense. If I can get it to stop locking the screen at all, without replacing the binary with a symlink to /dev/null, that'll work. I looked through the standard xfce configuration, and I haven't found yet where it sets the timeout for locking. It's not in the power manager settings, but maybe it's caused by xscreensaver blanking the screen but not locking it. I'll play with that
15:04<jamesawagner3>setting and see if I can get to behave as I expect.
15:05<jmcnaught>jamesawagner3: replacing the binary is not a good solution, when the package gets updated the binary will be replaced. You'll need to find what is starting light-locker in an XFCE session, and override or disable that
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15:06<jmcnaught>jamesawagner3: try looking in /etc/xdg/autostart (not sure if XFCE uses this)
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15:07<jamesawagner3>There are entries in /etc/xdg/autostart for light-locker, that would probably do it.
15:07<jmcnaught>jamesawagner3: changes made to files in /etc/ will be respected by the package manager
15:07<jamesawagner3>Since those would be populated by the package though, I probably shouldn't just remove them wholesale. Forgive my ignorance, but what's the correct way to move those entries out of autostart?
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15:09<jmcnaught>jamesawagner3: most files in /etc are conffiles which dpkg handles by letting you choose to keep your local changes, or using the new version provided by the updated package: https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed-by-dpkg/
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15:09<jmcnaught>that's a good summary of conffiles
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15:15<jamesawagner3>Hey jmcnaught, that's good information. So I'll just replace the exec line in /etc/xdg/autostart/light-locker with /bin/true.
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15:16<jmcnaught>jamesawagner3: or rename/delete the file should work too
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15:17<jamesawagner3>Okay, cool.
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16:35<blu>hi guys. I'm looking for a screensaver that can run a hook script if the password is entered wrong more than n times
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16:42<poopiefly>if I want to track the git stable release of qemu where would I find it?
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16:43<poopiefly>for stretch that is
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16:45<bremner>poopiefly: doesn't sound like something that debian would provide. Did you look at the upstream web site?
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16:46<poopiefly>bremner, looked a bit over here https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-qemu/qemu.git/
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16:47<poopiefly>bremner, thing is that I want the security patches etc but have modified qemu a bit for my own system.
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16:48<poopiefly>bremner, want to keep as close to stable as possible.
16:48<bremner>to debian stable? to upstream stable?
16:48<piper>have you looked at https://github.com/qemu/qemu http://www.qemu.org/
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16:53<poopiefly>piper, need the debian format with control rules and debian/patches since that is where I am doing the most of my changes.
16:54<piper>poopiefly: nothing in the developer documentation at qemu.org, i haven't read myself
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17:00<poopiefly>piper, guess I could just make a cron job to apt-get source qemu and push it to github. Does not get more hack-ish then that though =9
17:01<piper>;)
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17:33<ivoadf>Hello, today I updated my system from jessie to stretch. A game (Tibia) that uses Qt now does not work I can't login and get an ssl error (Error creating SSL context(error:140A90C4:SSL routines:func(169):reason(196))). After some time searching I found out others have had the same problem, it seems Qt does not work with the newer versions of openssl. I tried downgrading to the versions used on the jessie distribution but I keep getting the sam
17:33<ivoadf>e error. Here are some people with the same problem, http://tibiacommunity.com/tibia-11-linux-error-when-using-openssl-1-1-0 , https://www.reddit.com/r/TibiaMMO/comments/67vw9x/unable_to_login_after_update_linux_client/ . Any suggestion on what might be causing the problem? PS: The developers offer a linux version but it's not officially supported so contacting them will probably end in me getting a pasted response. Thanks in advance.
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17:40<itd>ivoadf: Where (/how) did you get that linux client for Tibia? The issue seems to be that your game only works with openssl 1.0.* but not with 1.1.* (the version available in stretch).
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17:42<ivoadf>itd: You can find the client here, https://secure.tibia.com/account/?subtopic=downloadclient
17:42<ivoadf>that was also my conclusion but I downgraded the openssl package and still had the same issue, maybe some other related package needs to be downgraded?
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17:48<itd>ivoadf: I do not recommend downgrading. You could try to install libssl1.0.2.
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17:59<friki>Hi guys, is there any known issue that block sid to boot? i've upgraded today after some days without upgrading my desktop and father that it doesn't boot. It's hard to know what's happening because rsyslog doesn't works neither
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18:02<ivoadf>itd: Installed it, made a sym link to the bin folder of the game but still get the same error.
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18:03<itd>friki: #debian-next for * with testing/sid, please.
18:04<friki>yes wrong channel, sorry
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18:08<itd>ivoadf: A symlink pointing to where named how?
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18:16<ivoadf>itd: ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.2 /usr/games/Tibia/bin
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18:21<phunyguy>Hi, fresh install of Stretch, with Xfce desktop. Can't seem to get xfce4-power-manager to play nice. systemd-logind is handling the suspend on lid close when I don't want that to happen. It seems like I am missing something to prevent that as I disabled it in xfce4-power-manager, and there should be an inhibitor there. I also get authentication prompts to suspend the system when inactive. Any ideas?
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18:26<itd>ivoadf: Not sure if you: need to do that for libcrypto as well; should try to drop the .1.0.2 suffix when linking; have to modify your LD_LIBRARY_PATH in start-tibia.sh as well.
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18:32<ivoadf>itd: It worked after linking both libssl and libcrypto without the suffix. Thanks you for the help, if you don't mind explaining how did you figure out libcrypto was necessary?
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18:35<itd>ivoadf: It was a guess (libcrypto is also part of that package). ;)
18:37<ivoadf>itd: alright, have a good night and thank you once more :)
18:37<itd>ivoadf: Have fun. :)
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19:32<aequatio42>Hallo :) habe grad folgendes Problem: Ich habe heute versucht meinen RPI neu aufzusetzen (par 60er Fehler haben das seeeehr verzögert :D) und entsprechend meine SD-Karte mit dd beschrieben. Nach den Problemen ging auch alles, um dann festzustellen das ich für Docker eine eigene Distro brauche. Wie auch immer, ich habe das neue Image mit dd draufgespielt, es ging aber überraschend schnell. Beim Testen am RPI war entsprechend
19:32<aequatio42>immer noch das alte Image drauf. Auch wenn ich /dev/zero drauf hau ist das alte image noch drauf.
19:32<itd>dpkg: de
19:32<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
19:34<aequatio42>thanks itd :D forgot about that it is a english chat
19:37<aequatio42>ok i try to describe my problem in eglish, please forgive my bad grammar ;)
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19:43<aequatio42>I tried to setup my RPI, after some very stupid failures, i got that new image done. Then i recognized i need another image for docker (what is what i need). So i tried to get this image on SD card with dd again. Very fast dd finished, without any error. But I tried SD card on RPI and the old image was there (with old configurations). Also writing /dev/zero with dd on SD card was way to fast.... Anyone could help me with
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19:43<aequatio42>understanding this problem?
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20:41<bremner>aequatio42: are you installing debian or raspian?
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20:46<aequatio42>i am installing raspbian
20:47<carthage_is_lost>ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd/help
20:47<carthage_is_lost>exit
20:47<carthage_is_lost>leave
20:47<carthage_is_lost>vlea
20:47<carthage_is_lost>bye
20:47<bremner>dpkg: tell aequatio42 about raspian
20:47<BrainError404>[ 24.488089] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: device [8086:9d15] error status/mask=00001000/00002000
20:48<aequatio42>but dd on debian doesn't give any errors, but is way to fast finished, and old image doesn't get touched on it, it is not a raspbian problem
20:48<carthage_is_lost>exit
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20:48<BrainError404>This error happens when I boot, continuosly after startup
20:48<BrainError404>And Idk why
20:49<bremner>aequatio42: did you give a block count to dd when writing /dev/zero?
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20:51<aequatio42>bremner: i tried with bs=1, it took much longer, but didn't change anything
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20:55<aequatio42>i'm so shure it is just again a stupid failure :D
20:55<bremner>normally for debian installs, the simplest way is to just "cp debian.is /dev/sdX && sync"
20:56<bremner>one thing to keep in mind is you have to write an image with partitions to the whole device, not one of the partitions
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20:58<aequatio42>bremner: "cp debian.is /dev/sdX && sync" gives .. is not a directory.
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20:59<bremner>uh. You need to use the correct device name, and the correct file name for the image you want to write
20:59<aequatio42>bremner: i did it on 'of=/dev/mmcblk0', not a partition
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21:00<aequatio42>bremner: oh sorry :D yes but i changed it to name of SD card in /dev/
21:01<bremner>so what exact command did you run?
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21:01<aequatio42>bremner: btw, thanks for your support :) thats why i love linux so much, people are so engaged with helping anyone :)
21:01<aequatio42>cp update.sh /home/palopi/hypriotos-rpi-v1.4.0.img /dev/mmcblk0 && sync
21:02<bremner>you can't copy multiple files to a block device
21:02<aequatio42>oh, i see it
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21:06<manuel_>hi
21:06<aequatio42>bremner: yeah, just a stupid failure... but "cp /home/palopi/hypriotos-rpi-v1.4.0.img /dev/mmcblk0 && sync" was much to fast for 1GB and also didn't change anything
21:06<aequatio42>manuel_: hey :)
21:07<manuel_>who are you?
21:08<bremner>aequatio42: other than checking the logs, and the write protect switch on the sdcard, I'm out of ideas
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21:08<aequatio42>i'm just so confused that there is no error, but just finishes without doing anything
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21:10<aequatio42>bremner: only "cp /home/palopi/hypriotos-rpi-v1.4.0.img /dev/mmcblk0 && sync"
21:10<aequatio42>manuel_: fine and you? :)
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21:11<manuel_>Do you study at a university?
21:12<aequatio42>bremner: sorry, "can't connect to SCdeamon: IPC "connect"
21:12<aequatio42>who? :)
21:13<manuel_>you
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21:15<manuel_>????
21:16<aequatio42>manuel_: not university but college of higher education... i am in a corporation studying beeing at university half the time, and the other half i am working for a company
21:17<aequatio42>and i love that company for having linux only <3 (ubuntu)
21:19<manuel_>Ok i study at the UNAM in Mexico :)
21:19<manuel_>Wow, in Mexico it seems that no one knows linux :(
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21:24<aequatio42>manuel_: no? i just thought in south america up to mexico it is just famous...
21:25<aequatio42>more then here in europe
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21:27<manuel_>Hahaha depends on where you go
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21:28<manuel_>there are few people who like computers and even less those who like linux
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21:31<aequatio42>manuel_: wow ok... strange to imagine for me :D
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21:34<manuel_>And whay country are you from?
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21:36<aequatio42>manuel_: germany
21:38<manuel_>ok :)
21:38<aequatio42>manuel_: how did you get on linux / debian?
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21:45<manuel_>mmm for school work, i study matematics :)
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21:50<aequatio42>manuel_: #nerd ?! :D
21:51<manuel_>you know how to do phishing?
21:51<manuel_>jaja no!!
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21:56<aequatio42>manuel_: not shure if i get the point
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22:43<aequatio42>btw, my SD writing problem is still without solution ;)
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23:06<danielsh>aequatio42, has anybody suggested 'df if=foo of=/dev/sdcard && sync' yet ?
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23:08<friki>i think you don't need to sync after dd, i am wrong?
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23:18<danielsh>not sure but it can't hurt
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23:20<danielsh>morning
23:20<cory>first time using irssi here.
23:22<danielsh>!ask
23:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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