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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-06-25

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04:12<aidalgol>I just completed my upgrade, and now my mouse sensitivity seems slightly off what it was before.
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04:13<jelly>aidalgol: X has changed input devices driver/framework from jessie to stretch. Again. So that's not surprising
04:14<aidalgol>jelly: OK, so I'm not losing my mind. Thanks.
04:14<c123>don't
04:14<jelly>aidalgol: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#default-xorg-input-driver-libinput
04:14<jelly>if you haven't read the release notes (you should have!)
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04:16<aidalgol>I did! I think I skimmed over that section when I saw the note: "This section is only relevant if you have tweaked or need to change the default Xorg input configuration."
04:16<jelly>well I guess you need to change it _now_!
04:16*jelly hides
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04:17<aidalgol>yep, done
04:18<c123>kewl
04:21<H4ndy>hey, I just upgraded 4 servers to Stretch, two went through without issues, but 2 don't have a working eth0 now
04:21<c123>oops
04:21<H4ndy>any hints what I can try here to reactivate that?
04:22<H4ndy>thats the first time eth0 got "lost" on one my of debian machines so I am bit at a loss here
04:22<c123>I'm happy my server is not giving me any of that ... attitude.
04:22<ixi>ifconfig and see if it's instead renamed
04:22<ixi>to eth1 for example
04:22<H4ndy>ifconig only shows lo no
04:22<H4ndy>*now
04:23<ixi>which NIC is it, which kernel were you using, which kernel is it now ?
04:24<aidalgol>I also noticed that systemd starts a gpg-agent. In jessie, I was starting X via startx with this line at the end of my .xinitrc: `gpg-agent --enable-ssh-support --daemon i3` Can I still use gpg-agent as an SSH agent in stretch?
04:25<H4ndy>comming from latest jessie with 3.16 and now stretch with 4.9
04:25<ixi>H4ndy lspci -nnk -> paste.debian.net
04:25<H4ndy>nic is virtualized through baremetal
04:25<H4ndy>ok one sec
04:26<jelly>H4ndy: did it get renamed?
04:27<H4ndy>I just checked networking.service and it said itr cannot find eth0 anymore, looks like it
04:27<jelly>H4ndy: pastebin the output of "ip link"
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04:27<jelly>!paste
04:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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04:27<jelly>a screenshot is fine if you can't paste text from terminal
04:28<H4ndy>http://picpaste.com/2017-06-25_10-28-22_tutLN-iV01mRlC.png
04:30<H4ndy>thats a rather strange name
04:30<friki>it's a Linux new feature
04:31<H4ndy>the 2nd machine with that problem got it renamed to ens3
04:32<jelly>so it got renamed, that's normal if your jessie system did not have /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules in place
04:32<friki>you can rollback editing /etc/default/grub setting: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.iframes=0"
04:33<friki>run update-grub, reboot and enjoy
04:33<jelly>or just change the entry in /etc/network/interfaces to new name, it won't change
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04:34<H4ndy>Now that you mention grub, jelly, on those two machines I wasn't asked If I want to replace my grub settings with the new version
04:34<H4ndy>explains why it's only on those
04:34<jelly>friki: is that enough tho? no need for biosdevname=0 ?
04:34<friki>my preferred way is ifrename
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04:35<friki>jelly: i've updated about 10 servers this way (net.iframes=0)
04:35<jelly>H4ndy: it's not grub's fault. You did not need (and probably did not have) the workaround in place for jessie
04:35<jelly>net.ifnames=0
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04:36<jelly>friki: please verify if you made a typo or you're using something slightly different but that also works
04:36<friki>jelly: thanks for the spelling!
04:36<friki>it's a typo in IRC, sorry mates
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04:38<zhangxun>how to remove my python from my linux?
04:38<zhangxun>@Ganneff
04:38<zhangxun>i have two version python(3.4 and 3.5)
04:39<jelly>zhangxun: which debian release are you using?
04:39<zhangxun>kali.
04:39<jelly>!kali
04:39<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
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04:39<jelly>^^ ask there, zhangxun, kali is a different distro
04:39<zhangxun>ok. haha ,thanks
04:40<zhangxun>i'll change my channel
04:40<jelly>and your irc network
04:40<jelly>it's on freenode, this is oftc
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04:46<zhangxun>jelly: thanks
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04:51<zhangxun>there are six people in kali-linux.freenode . @jelly
04:51<c123>6
04:51<H4ndy>jelly, friki, first server fixed, thanks a lot! On to the 2nd
04:51<c123>good job!
04:51<c123>keep up the work, mate!
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04:52<zhangxun>wrong channel?
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04:52<c123>Is this not the Debian Mafia Headquarters ?
04:53<c123>are we not "brothers in crime" ? LOL
04:54<c123>may be not. Anyhow.
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04:54<zhangxun>LOL
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04:55<zhangxun>depend error
04:55<c123>;-)
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04:58<zhangxun>why i can not see the text completely?
04:58<zhangxun>on xchat
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04:59<jelly>zhangxun: I see 220 people...
04:59<zhangxun>i must to use my mouse to choose all of that
04:59<jelly>c123: are you a bot/
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05:00<jelly>zhangxun: xchat sometimes has refresh issues. Consider using hexchat instead
05:00<zhangxun>i dont think so
05:01<zhangxun>still the question, dependent error , can't install any software util sovling that
05:01<H4ndy>Ok 2nd box did not use grub so I had to edit interfaces but that works as well. yay
05:01<jelly>zhangxun: ask in the right place for your distro, or switch to debian then ask here
05:01<zhangxun>it freenode/kalilinux??
05:02<jelly>irc://irc.freenode.net/#kali-linux
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05:04<jelly>sent you a message on freenode
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05:27<zhangxun>no one talks?
05:27<H4ndy>jelly, friki I fixed everything, thanks a lot again for the on-point help
05:28<zhangxun>jelly is a very nice people.
05:35<jelly>this place is for tech support mostly, not talk, if you want to talk see if there's someone alive in #debian-offtopic or the network-wide social channel #moocows
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06:05<xkern1> i try to debug linux kernel
06:05<xkern1>https://image.ibb.co/hseHyQ/1.jpg
06:05<xkern1>https://image.ibb.co/b6yXXk/2.jpg
06:05<xkern1>https://image.ibb.co/gfyMQ5/3.jpg
06:05<xkern1>https://image.ibb.co/imcnyQ/4.png
06:05<xkern1>and this is my problem when i debug kernel.
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06:09<jelly>xkern1: is the system you're trying to boot and debug debian, or what?
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06:10<jelly>the machine you're running gdb on seems to be kali, not debian
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06:11<jelly>as long as you're on OFTC, try asking in #kernelnewbies ... oh, you already did
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06:11<huub>Hi all!
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06:12<Guest3326>Can anybody please help me? After update last thursday, my core app won't start..... :-(
06:12<jelly>what's "core app"?
06:13<Guest3326>It was a kernel update and libc6:i386 update... but now the systemd service exits with a signal11.....
06:13<Guest3326>Reinstall of the application won't fix it....
06:13<Guest3326>Kerio Workspace ... it isn't supported anymore, so I have to find the needle in a haystack...
06:14<jelly>what's the package name of said app and where does it come from, if not Debian?
06:14<jelly>Guest3326: run it in a jessie chroot instead?
06:14<jelly>or a vm or container, whatever you like
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06:15<Guest3326>It is a service that is started, but how can I do that? a container?
06:15<jelly>Guest3326: which debian release do you have installed?
06:15<Guest3326>Jessie with last updates last thursday....8.8
06:16<Guest3326>17-06-2017 update
06:16<jelly>then a chroot of the same thing won't really help
06:17<xkern1>jelly, sorry i saw just your message.
06:17<xkern1>ubuntu
06:18<jelly>xkern1: so you have ubuntu and kali. I don't think this channel is the right place for your issue, sorry
06:18<Guest3326>I think it has to do with libc6:i386 or the latest kernel?
06:18<xkern1>but i compiled latest stable version kernel from kernel.org and installed ubuntu machine. and i try to debug ubuntu machine with kali that is based debian.
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06:18<Guest3326>How can I return to situation before 17-06? Restore backup (yes, it a month old :-( )
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06:19<ElHupeke>Sorry, forgot to set nick....
06:20<ElHupeke>Also, when I reinstall Kerio, it can't create user kworkspace, and get run/uuidd. Says it doesn't exist.
06:20<jelly>ElHupeke: you can downgrade the kernel easily. Downgrading all the libc6 components will be a little more involved
06:20<jelly>!snapshot
06:20<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
06:21<ElHupeke>Can you please help me how? I did this yesterday, but I can't get it working.
06:21<ElHupeke>I put this address into apt/sources.list. Dit apt-get update and it read the list.
06:22<jelly>pick a snapshot of jessie 10 days old from the site above, look at "apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r)" output
06:22<jelly>then install a specific version using apt-get install packagename=version syntax
06:22<xkern1>jelly, do you know any channel for my question ?
06:23<xkern1>beside kernelnewbies
06:23<ElHupeke>I did, but it complains that other packages are at higher level, so it won't install
06:23<jelly>xkern1: not really, no. There's #kali-linux on freenode, but they only deal with the OS not the tools themselves. There's ##kernel and ##linux on freenode as well
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06:24<jelly>ElHupeke: what exactly did you do
06:24<jelly>ElHupeke: pastebin the exact command and its full output
06:24<vera351>hey guys got veracrypt problem, could anyone help ? : )
06:24<jelly>!paste
06:24<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
06:24<xkern1>hmm thanks jelly
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06:25<ElHupeke>Ok Jelly, I start the test server and will paste it here... just a moment....
06:25<ElHupeke>(Thanks!!!)
06:25<jelly>(also, make backups more often, and automate it)
06:25<vera351>any command to direct pastebin an output and got the link on the terminal ?
06:26<ElHupeke>Yes, I know.. have a backup one month old ... Soo busy I didn't do it ....
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07:35<zhangxun>is there any powerful vpn software?
07:35<zhangxun>jelly?
07:35<dboles>define "powerful"
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07:36<zhangxun>easy use
07:36<dboles>a lot of people would think powerful meant 'lots of features', and sometimes that conflicts with ease of use
07:37<zhangxun>what's yours opinion? and what's your powerful software/
07:37<jelly>openvpn seems to be the popular choice. I wouldn't call setting up a server exactly easy to.
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07:38<zhangxun>shadowsocks? openvpn?
07:38<jelly>ocserv ?
07:38*jelly hides
07:38<notafile>there was this one easy vpn setup program people recommended on HN, but I don't remember the name
07:39<c123>setting up a server is very unpredictable. may work or may crash.
07:39<c123>maybe a GuixSD server is better in that respect.
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07:41<zhangxun>how about when i have a vpn server
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07:41<notafile>https://github.com/trailofbits/algo
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07:41<notafile>^^ this was it
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07:42<notafile>I have not personally used it yet, and it's IPsec aparently
07:42<bremner>c123: is there a question in there?
07:42<c123>if s.o. used GuixSD in a server role, I'd be interested to know!
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07:44<bremner>probably you would have more luck asking in a GuixSD channel...
07:45<bremner>tbh, I don't really understand the statement "setting up a server is very unpredictable". I've never found that to be the case.
07:46<c123>funny. Again, I seem to be the only person in the world whose server has ever crashed.
07:46<c123>must be me then.
07:47<bremner>well, if you have a more specific question, someone might be able to help you.
07:47<zhangxun>ubuntu is in which channel?
07:47<c123>last time I checked (1 hr ago) my debian webserver was doing fine, ty.
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07:48<bremner>zhangxun: #ubuntu, I think on freenode
07:48<bremner>!ubuntu
07:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
07:48<bremner>yep, the bot agrees
07:48<ElHupeke>jelly, How can I find version number in this archives ? Like libc6:i386=2.19-18+deb8u9 How to find this for libice6:i386? I only find latest version number
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07:50<gheorghe>how many package updates done by ubuntu devs reach the stables versions of debian?
07:50<c123>my grievance with debian is the "suboptimal" /etc/skel content for KDE desktop.
07:50<alreadyinuse>I have a specific question. How can I reactivate the usb-wifi based network connection after system is waked up from suspend mode?
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07:50<zhangxun>dpkg is robot?
07:50<jelly>ElHupeke: I don't know, how did you add the snapshot repo?
07:50<dpkg>zhangxun: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
07:50<jelly>dpkg: what are you
07:50<dpkg>I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
07:50<c123><infobot>
07:51<dboles>please /msg dpkg rather than posting it here
07:51<c123>no workie.
07:51<zhangxun>hah,this must be robot.
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07:51<ElHupeke>I added deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20170614T033346Z/ jessie main contrib non-free in source.list (it is the only one now
07:51<ElHupeke>Did a apt-get update
07:51<shaun>hi guys how do i update my betsy lmde2 sources.list to stretch?
07:51<zhangxun>dpkg knows machine learning
07:51<dpkg>i haven't a clue, zhangxun
07:52<ElHupeke>And was able to install libc6:i386 with apt-get install libc6:i386=2.19-18+deb8u9
07:52<zhangxun>dpkg is idiot
07:52<dpkg>zhangxun: are you smoking crack?
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07:52<alreadyinuse>my wifi device is using the r871u driver
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07:52<c123>now we know, dude.
07:53<bremner>shaun: I don't know what "betsy" is.
07:53<ElHupeke>Is there a command that all packages installed can be replace bij archive version?
07:53<shaun>its a linux mint distribution based on debian
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07:54<dboles>!betsy
07:54<bremner>shaun: it's not obvious that you can upgrade it to stretch
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07:55<shaun>it comes with postres9.4 but postgres9.6 is the current instance
07:56<alreadyinuse>@shaun move your /home directory to a seperate partition and install a fresh debian stretch
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07:56<shaun>ok i understand thanks
07:57<c123>why are 80% of debian users underwhelmed by what is inside of the /etc/skel directory ?
07:58<bremner>why are you making up statistics?
07:58<c123>I am truther, deal with it.
07:58<dboles>lol
07:58<bremner>ok bye
07:58<c123>cu
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08:00<alreadyinuse>Currently I have only two problems. First my poor english skills and second that my wlan is dead after system comes from suspend mode.
08:00<c123>I'd provide better skeletons, but you will reject newbie contribs anyway.
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08:01<friki>H4ndy: always a pleasure :-)
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08:02<c123>Also I wonder why so many user-uploaded app screenshots are rejected from being shown in synaptic.
08:03<c123>censorship anywhere?
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08:04<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it turns out I was, to some extent, right... my new USB hub was only allowing me to use each port once per (undetermined occurrence) for a USB pendrive under jessie. Under stretch it's working perfectly in that respect.
08:05<c123>debian should make sure it does not ship an outdated tor internet protocol, which it did for quite a while.
08:05<ElHupeke>Hmmmm...see var/cache/apt my old versions .... can use these! ?
08:06<enyc>c123: become the package maintainer?
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08:07<c123>enyc: actually, I tried that and failed totally to get anywhere near that. omg.
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08:20<_thingy_>How may I control the starting of additional virtual terminals in Debian stretch? There is only a single service file in /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants yet systemd is launching agettys tty1-tty6.
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08:22<c123>_thingy_: I'd like to know that aswell! Good question!
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08:27<jelly>_thingy_: it only launches them if you actually switch to tty2-tty6
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08:30<_thingy_>jelly: Not in my case. I have a perfomed an expert (minimal) install of Stretch in a vbox vm and on boot, I can see 6 instances of agetty running. There is a message in journalctl which mentions that in the absence of dbus / logind, systemd will launch tty2-tty6. I've just downloaded the source code for systemd and am trying to find that string to understand what could be going on.
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08:31<jelly>_thingy_: oh, then you shot yourself in the foot and made all the necessary conditions for /lib/systemd/system/getty-static.service to kick in
08:33<jelly>so mask that one and be on your merry way
08:34<_thingy_>jelly: oh. I did not have dbus installed and so was looking for where the magic number of VTs to spawn was configured in systemd. I did not think to look in the /lib/systemd/system services list. Thanks.
08:34<jelly>and maybe someone else can tell me where does it say to only load tty2-tty6 when dbus and login actually exist
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08:35<jelly>man systemd-getty-generator is horrible
08:35<_thingy_>jelly: In /etc/systemd/logind.conf, you want to amend the properties NAutoVTs=6 and ReserveVT=6
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08:36<jelly>sigh
08:36<jelly>thanks!
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08:44<hmh>FYI, we have a nasty issue on Skylake and Kaby Lake systems running Debian, an advisory was just sent to the debian-users and debian-devel MLs. More details: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/06/msg01010.html
08:45<hmh>you might want to /topic "https://paste.debian.net/hidden/9955768e/" for a while (this is the advisory text), or that link to the debian-user ML archives.
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08:46<c123>"select Intel Pentium processor models" ... so now I'm left with my dick in the wind?
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08:47<jelly>hmh: I thought latest intel-microcode had fixed this, new issue?
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08:47<hmh>jelly: only on skylake.
08:47<jelly>but not KBL?
08:47<jelly>eh.
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08:47<hmh>not released to the public for whatever random reasons.
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08:48<hmh>so, kaby lake *is* fixed... if your vendor has the update in their bios/uefi.
08:48<hmh>time to make them work for the money you paid them.
08:48<jelly>probably packaged with some other ucode issue they still have an embargo on
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08:48<jelly>no updates for G9 Proliants yet
08:49<jelly>I guess I'll disable HT and halve the number of vCPUs on our virtualization infra! hahaha. *cries*
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08:52<jelly>oh, Xeon v5 and v6 only, so maybe not
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08:52<jelly>I was pretty sure v4 was also skylake...
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08:53<hmh>no, E5v4 is broadwell-ep/ex
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08:55<c123>I am sure, that extra thread is put onto the Pentiums by some NSA types. See wikileaks "vault 7"
08:57<dboles>...so why did they let intel patch it?
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09:00<c123>dude, I'm on the safe side. :-)
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09:01<c123>my threads are not affected by this.
09:02<c123>dboles: easy! There is yet another zero-day that works even better for them! What did you think?
09:02<c123>they just dished out some chicken feed...
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10:13<introom>apt-get source linux-source-4.9 actually downloads kernel4.11, what's wrong ?
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10:16<rtwld>hi
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10:20<rtwld>i've tried to convert the root / partition from ext3 to ext4, but at boot time i got "unknown filesystem", i'm on amd64 unstable
10:21<rtwld>uname -a says 4.9.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.13-1 (2017-02-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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10:24<rtwld>did the latest kernel support booting from ext4 partition? (synaptic says that it is 4.9+80)
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11:00<Megaf_>hm, I just noticed something, my CPU for some reason is not reathing its max frequency of 1350 MHz, it only reaches 1200 MHz, in both performance and schedutil governors. Really weird. Any idea why?
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11:01<Megaf_># cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
11:01<Megaf_>1350000 1200000 1000000
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11:17<fsllma>bonjour
11:17<fsllma>je suis nouveau sur dflinux
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11:18<dboles>!fr
11:18<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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11:49<captnfab>fstd: pour l'aide sur dflinux, tu peux rejoindre #debian-facile sur freenode https://debian-facile.org/asso:salon-irc-df
11:49<captnfab>oops
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11:58<captnfab>can someone tell dpkg that dflinux (a french debian derivative) has a support channel #debian-facile on freenode, and that the link https://debian-facile.org/asso:salon-irc-df helps (french) users to join it.
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12:01<PocketUser>My laptop lock me out after upgraded to stretch
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12:03<itd>captnfab: You can do that yourself here is how: http://infobot.sourceforge.net/guide-0.43.x.html
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12:04<captnfab>ok itd, thx
12:05<captnfab>I'm trying that
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12:09<captnfab>!dflinux
12:09<dpkg>it has been said that dflinux is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #debian-facile (French) on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:09<PocketUser>The were some issue with the installation process. My NVIDIA card is dim as not supported by current driver. And the dist-upgrade process is interrupted. I tried to continue the dist-upgrade. Basically it installs ok. But after reboot, after the NVIDIA splash screen the session manager never showed up, all left is a black screen. pressing C+A+F1~12 makes no difference, c+a+backspace makes no difference either.
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12:13<Brigo>PocketUser, what nvidia car is that?
12:13<Brigo>what does nvidia-detect say?
12:13<PocketUser>I am stack. I can figure out how to gain access to console with systemd. Adding systemd.unit=rescure.target does make systemd try to bring up the rescuer console. But it says riot us locked see sulogin man page.... Changing to systemd.unit=multi-user.target makes no difference.
12:14<PocketUser>Gt325m
12:14<Brigo>PocketUser, there is a rescue option in grub boot menu.
12:14<PocketUser>I can't get console access I can't do anything...
12:14<Nemo123>Guys help pls, apt-get update _apt no root, apt- secure (8)
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12:15<bremner>err. once more with complete sentences?
12:15<Brigo>PocketUser, i can't undestand the problem with the rescue console
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12:16<Brigo>Nemo123, are you running apt-get as root?
12:16<PocketUser>Not in mine... This installation was initially installed from windows years ago. And upgraded from squeeze to Jessie
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12:16<Brigo>PocketUser, what nvidia card is that?
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12:17<PocketUser>Just some nvidia label on my laptop reads so.
12:17<Nemo123>Brigo, yes
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12:18<PocketUser>Geforce gt325m
12:18<Brigo>Nemo123, then paste the command and the whole output in paste.debian.net
12:19<terravires>hi all, Just upgraded jessie->stretch and now both my wordpress sites won't load images. Been googling and trying fixes hours now without any luck. Can anyone assist?
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12:20<Brigo>PocketUser, it should be supported by legacy drivers.
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12:21<Nemo123>Brigo, W: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/InRelease: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key.
12:22<Brigo>PocketUser, anyway your first problem is to gain access to the console.
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12:22<PocketUser>Actually I am bot sure what exactly is the problem yet, the splash screen displays fine, its just am stuck before session login screen and I can t switch tty
12:22<Brigo>Nemo123, paste the output of ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
12:22<bremner>Nemo123: sounds wrong, that keyring is world readable here
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12:23<Brigo>PocketUser, not getting a rescue console is the bigger problem. If you can get that we could work around the login problem.
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12:26<PocketUser>Yes. I need to gain access to consle to further investigate. But my root account is locked since I only use sudo Su to gain access to root. Rescure consle doesn't start, only leaving a message to refer to sulogin manual.
12:26<Nemo123>Brigo, -rw------ 1 root
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12:27<Brigo>Nemo123, that's wroing it should be -rw-r--r--
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12:27<Brigo>you can change it with: chmod 644 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
12:28<Brigo>it should fix your problem
12:28<Brigo>bremner, he is not the first user with that odd problem.
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12:30<Brigo>PocketUser, try edit the grub linux line and make init=/bin/bash. It shoul give you a bash console.
12:30<Nemo123>Brigo, what should i do ?
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12:30<Brigo>Nemo123, as root: chmod 644 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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12:33<Nemo123>Brigo, no Pubkey
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12:33<Brigo>what's the output of ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg now?
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12:37<Blacker47>www.debian.org not work here. slashdoted?
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12:37<bremner>Blacker47: it's ok here
12:38<dboles>not loading for me
12:38<dboles>oh wait, there it is
12:38<Brigo>working here
12:38<piper>very very slow
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12:39<Blacker47>restarting browser and it works now. i assume one of the servers are/is down and now i get round-robin different.
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12:39<piper>hmm https://packages.debian.org is even worse
12:39<huub>Back ...
12:39<Nemo123>Brigo,-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32 Июн 25 19:35 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
12:40<huub>My server is almost dead now... :-(
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12:40<Guest3368>I can't even read my logs... got new logfile viewer and it won't display anything.
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12:40<Nemo123>Brigo,W: Произошла ошибка при проверке подписи. Репозиторий не обновлён и будут использованы предыдущие индексные файлы. Ошибка GPG: http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease: Следующие подписи не могут быть проверены, так как недоступен открытый ключ: NO_PUBKEY 9D6D8F6BC857C906 N
12:40<bremner>!ru
12:40<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
12:41<ElHupeke>Now not only my Kerio Workspace is gone... also apache2 isn't starting anymore ... grrrr....
12:41<ElHupeke>Never had this issues with an ' update ' ....
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12:42<itd>dpkg: localized errors
12:42<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
12:42<ElHupeke>How can I get my logs back? To view them with new viewer?
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12:43<bremner>ElHupeke: we don't know what "new viewer" means.
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12:49<Brigo>Nemo123, the permissions are ok, but that file looks almost empty.
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12:59<jhutchins>ElHupeke: Didn't read the release notes, did you?
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13:00<ElHupeke>Nope! I didn't....
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13:00<ElHupeke>Very very stupid....
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13:01<jhutchins>You would have seen that the update of Apache from 2.2 to 2.4 requires changes in the config files. Possibly other issues you're having are addressed, but "Kerio Workspace" is not a familiar term.
13:02<jhutchins>Ah, third party. You would need to contact them for compatibility issues.
13:03<jhutchins>I still am surprized that no-one has come up with a script that parses 2.2 configs and updates them to 2.4.
13:03<ElHupeke>Nope, they stopped with the product support 3 years ago. So I screwed now
13:03<jhutchins>ElHupeke: Logs are still in /var/log, even the systemd journals.
13:04<ElHupeke>I have downloaded the 8.8 install disks and will install a new server to have kerio working again....
13:05<ElHupeke>I don't have an alternative and I'm deep shit... :-(
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13:06<jhutchins>That's what happens with closed source propietary systems. You are at their mercy.
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13:07<jhutchins>Atlassian makes some good open source collaboration tools.
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13:17<BrainError404>How can I set up debian to be booted with UEFI?
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13:19<ElHupeke>...een my mouse dies here....
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13:20<ElHupeke>Well... got my backup outside, and will do a full restore... I'm done with it....
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13:28<amacater>BrainError404 - The amd64 boot medium will boot UEFI or legacy mode. Setup on the machine - F1 / F2 / DEL or whatever will get you into the setup to change boot mode. Do switch off Secure Boot
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13:28<blast007>BrainError404: are you trying to install fresh, or is it an existing install that you want to switch from legacy BIOS to UEFI?
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13:29<BrainError404>blast007, existing install
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13:32<amacater>That's tougher because you will need the EFI boot partition at the beginning of the hard disk. It is do-able by using Gparted - and I've seen instructions somewhere - but it might be easier to back up and reinstall
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13:33<BrainError404>amacater: I already have the efi boot
13:34<amacater>It _might_ be possible by using rescue mode and reinstalling grub as grub-efi at that point
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13:37<BrainError404>amacater: how?
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13:47<amacater>Boot from install medium, select rescue mode and re-install grub from there: you'd have to make sure that the install medium was booted as UEFI, though
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13:48<amacater>Or, once you're into the rescue mode process, chroot into the installed partition and run apt-get install grub-efi there
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13:50<BrainError404>amacater: could you repeat please?
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13:53<BrainError404>amacater:
13:54<BrainError404>amacater: I need to know how can I use rescue mode in this way
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13:57<amacater>OK - _must_ you switch to UEFI for some reason. Is the machine you want to switch holding vital data you care about. Is it your only machine?
13:57<Brigo>BrainError404, the Debian installer has a rescue mode that allow you to get into your system and then fix the boot.
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13:58<amacater>If the answer is yes, no, no, then do the following.
13:58<amacater>Boot a debian install medium.
13:58<amacater>Choose rescue mode
13:59<amacater>This steps you through something that looks like an install and allows you to mout an installed partition. Go from there.
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13:59<amacater>You do run the risk of losing your installed system - as always - so back up data if you can. It's actually easier to just do an install.
14:00<amacater>It's not necessarily the easiest thing to practice from a virtual machine, either. If in doubt, read up, use google, see what other people have done
14:01<jhutchins>!fixgrub
14:01<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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14:09<BrainError404>Thanks at all.
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14:28<ml|>Heh, I'm in the same situation as BrainError404. Would prefer not to have to do an fresh install. Any step by steps out there, on switching to UEFI?
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14:30<ml|>Perhaps will just keep putting off moving to UEFI, until I'm forced too?
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14:43<amacater>... at this rate, I may have to write one ... :(
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14:50<Walex>ml|: I haven't switched to EFI boot myself
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14:51<Walex>ml|: there are two difficulties with switching to EFI boot in-place: changing the partition scheme to GPT with partitions beginning exactly at the same boundaries (IIRC doable for someone who knows what they are doing), and finding the space for a tiny EFI boot partitioning (often doable too).
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14:52<Walex>ml|: it is lioke many other things *much* easier if you don't do it in-place, but prepare a new disk/SSD and copy things over.
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14:53<Walex>in general doing *any* storage thing in-place is dangerous and slow. Storage wants to be copied :-)
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14:56<amacater>Ah, yes, I'd forgotten about the GPT changeover - but it's probably do-able. It is a _lot_ easier to do this from the beginning not least because it also sets aside space on the disk for the partitions at the start, sets up EFI boot variables ...
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15:00<amacater>When you want to install an SSD - take that as the chance. Take out the old disk, put in SSD, install using UEFI, rsync data you need across to the new disk (perhaps using a USB connected housing), re-use old disk / put it in as a second disk.
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15:05<jhutchins>If you're going to be messing with partitions, you need a full system backup anywy. Make the backup, create the new partition table, restore data.
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15:05<jhutchins>The most common cause for data loss when working with partitions is "oops".
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15:13<Blacker47>The most common cause for data loss when working with partitions is "working with partitions" :-)
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15:25<smok>got a question
15:25<smok>got a debian 8.8 running on laptop
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15:26<smok>I'm not able to see my wifi card
15:26<smok>although the card is activated and running
15:26<smok>any ideas why?
15:27<itd>smok: What do you mean by 'activated and running'?
15:27<paine>Evening.
15:28<paine>I would like to make a bootable USB with a Debian Stretch installer.
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15:28<paine>Is there an option to make it "architecture agnostic"?
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15:28<paine>As if it is able to detect the architecture and load the correct installer?
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15:34<amacater>paine - what do you want to do - the multi-arch netinst installer is already two architectures - amd64 and i386 and you choose between them.
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15:34<paine>Oh cool!
15:34<amacater>amd64 can run i386 but not the other way round - so if you have only a 32 bit machine you'd use the 32 bit installer
15:35<paine>amacater: It's just that I didn't find it as an option here: https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
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15:35<paine>amacater: Is it available thorugh the debian repository?
15:35<amacater>Yes - give me a second to have a look :)
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15:37<amacater>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/
15:37<paine>amacater: Thank you!
15:37<amacater>It's not available as a netinst any more, I suspect it's a bit big.
15:38<amacater>The number of pure 32 bit machines is dropping
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15:38<rob_debian>Hi all
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15:47<ryouma>given a partition (or a symlink to a partition, such as in /dev/mapper) what do you do to tell whether it is already mounted?
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15:48<amacater>Mount command should tell you wnat's mounted?
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15:48<amacater>Look in /etc/mtab
15:48<ryouma>amacater: i want to do this programmatically, and that seems to give a mixture of symlinks and devices
15:48<tpo>or you can use findmnt
15:48<ryouma>same with mtab
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15:48<mtndew>if I wanted to become a DD, what are the most needed packages to be a DD for?
15:48<ml|>Walex: Yes, a fresh install is the best way to go.
15:49<amacater>look at debian--mentors
15:49<amacater>mailing list or IRC channel
15:50<amacater>It's really important that its something that matters to you, that you will be interested enough to maintain - or you can join an established team that are team maintaining a package
15:50<amacater>Look also at the requests for adoption / requests for help on packages that might be dropped
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15:51<tpo>mtndew, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=wnpp
15:52<ryouma>tpo: i will try findmnt. it produces false negatives when you have something that is mapped, so i will also need to know if something is mapped.
15:52<ryouma>tpo: it will probably be workable
15:56<ml|>So to switching to UEFI: 1. Do a fresh minimal install. 2. Use the aptitude clone factiod to get all packages reinstalled. 3. Copy all the data back from /home /etc /usr /var Does seem right to you guys, I'm missing something?
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15:58<ml|>Also currently have a /boot partition of 250MB. Is there a need now to have a separate /boot partition?
15:58<tpo>no, you do not need a separate /boot
15:58<tpo>you can though
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16:00<ml|>Forgot why a separate /boot was created long ago. What uses does a separate /boot have now?
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16:00<ml|>*uses have now?
16:02<gheorghe>i don't have a separate boot :)
16:02<gheorghe> df -h /boot
16:02<gheorghe>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
16:02<gheorghe>/dev/sdb2 94G 29G 61G 32% /
16:03<itd>ml|: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/359
16:04<rob_debian>please, I have a doubt here: I'm still running Debian Jessie 8.8, but we have Debian Stretch 9.0 stable already. I have to upgrade it according these guidelines: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/index.en.html
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16:05<rob_debian>the question is: what exactly does 'apt-get dist-upgrade' do ? only the basic upgrade in the version and releases ? ( 6,7, 8,...)
16:06<gheorghe>did you add stretch to apt sources?
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16:07<annadane>the logic behind apt-get upgrade and then apt-get dist-upgrade is generally to avoid breakage. upgrade updates the packages you currently have, dist-upgrade adds and removes packages based on the newstable environment
16:07<rob_debian>hi gheorghe, nice to meet you again :) not yet, gheorghe: you refer adding and replacing new repositories in the /etc/apt/source.list ?
16:07<gheorghe>https://paste.debian.net/973274/
16:07<ml|>gheorghe: Yes, suspect most do not have a separate /boot now a days.
16:07<tpo>rob_debian, you could have a look at `man apt-get`
16:07<itd>rob_debian: Have a look at 'man apt-get' there is a section that describes 'dist-upgrade'.
16:07<annadane>(or any environment)
16:07<annadane>and yes, it's in the manpages
16:08<enyc>ml|: except if using encrypted install.....
16:08<gheorghe>in theory doing this (adding stretch to sources) and update && dist-upgrade will bring you to stretch. however, i am always for a fresh install so i didn't try that myself :D
16:08<ml|>itd: Thank You, that shed some light. It seems really only useful now for encryption.
16:08<ml|>enyc: Yes :)
16:08<rob_debian>thanks, gheorghe ! ok, annadane, thanks for explanation !
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16:09<rob_debian>fine tpo and itd, I'll do it, really thank you ! :)
16:09<enyc>ml|: bios disk size lkimikts can seappear with 2T and 2^32 sectors on usb massstorage ....
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16:10<ml|>Guess, will recreate /boot with 500MB should be more than for UEFI, kernels, etc..
16:10<rob_debian>that's what I suspected, gheorghe, but this is the first step, or one of them.. ? there are several, ok ?
16:10<Walex>ml|: 500MB is a bit small
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16:10<ml|>enyc: Sorry do not understand?
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16:11<ml|>Walex: Really, 1GB then?
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16:11<gheorghe>ml| it depends on how you plan to use a system. i keep ALL sensitive data in the cloud. i never keep any relevant information on my PC. that's why i have no problem aggainst reinstalling my system every 2-3 months, trying stuff out and so on. also why i don't need to keep separate partitions, because if something crashes, i just reinstall :)
16:12<ml|>gheorghe: I see. Installed this system like 10+ years ago ;)
16:12<Walex>ml|: that's better, because kernel versions tend to accumulate if you try a few. Default update keeps current and previous,. but just-in-case more is better.
16:12<ml|>It seems will have to go through the pain of a fresh install for UEFI; either now or later ;(
16:13<lindi->Walex: if the abiname does not change then previous kernel version is not kept?
16:13<gheorghe>ml| i changes about 5 PCs in the last 10 years ... or more. i never get it how you people manage to be happy without SSDs and at least i5
16:14<tpo>gheorghe, my laptop has been fast enough for me for the last 6 years or so
16:14<tpo>might just as well spend the money on vacation instead
16:14<ml|>Walex: Your concern is enough space for kernels of the UEFI stuff? Currently /boot is 250MB ... /dev/sda1 226M 91M 119M 44% /boot
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16:15<ml|>gheorghe: Different hardware, just the same install moved along the way.
16:15<tpo>ml|, $ du -sh /boot/
16:15<tpo>50M /boot/
16:16<gheorghe>tpo: depends what you want to run. if you want to run new software, you need a new system or it will take 2 days to compile and probably not run without enough ram
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16:17<tpo>rob_debian, there is an update guide that you can follow: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
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16:17<Walex>ml|: lindi-: depends on whether autoremove is done, and howe it is configured for kernel versions.
16:17<tpo>gheorghe, I do not need to compile anything these days
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16:18<ml|>Guess, will read up the install manual :)
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16:18<gheorghe>tpo: what if you download a movie? and want to stream it to the TV? and it's 4k and 40GB ? :D without gigabit/SSD/good router you can't
16:18<lindi->Walex: if the abiname is the same how could you keep two versions at the same time?
16:18<ml|>Walex: usually only keep 2 to 3 kernels at a time.
16:19<lindi->Walex: like linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 3.16.43-1 and linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 3.16.43-2 -- you can't have both versions of the same package installed at the same time
16:19<Walex>ml|: yes, but it is easy to forget
16:19<rob_debian>yes, tpo, I've mentioned it above... it refers to chapter 4 of the release notes
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16:19<Walex>ml|: I know a lot of people who accumulate kernels inadvertenly and then '/boot' fills up and they ask me to cleanup...
16:20<ml|>Walex: Indeed apt normally removes then here after a while, in case one forgets.
16:20<ml|>Walex: heh, oops...
16:20<Walex>ml|: that depends on how it is configured...
16:21<ml|>Walex: Yes, why said *here* ;)
16:21<tpo>gheorghe, don't normal harddrives have enough read bandwidth to feed a 4k movie stream?
16:21<Walex>ml|: and whether the install is marked 'manual' or 'automatic' in APT etc.
16:22<gheorghe>tpo: yes, but they don't have enough write to download with gigabit. nowadays you get a 60GB steam games in 2 mins.
16:22<ml|>So to switching to UEFI: 1. Do a fresh minimal install. 2. Use the aptitude clone factiod to get all packages reinstalled. 3. Copy all the data back from /home /etc /usr /var Does seem right to you guys, I'm missing something?
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16:23<Walex>ml|: you can just RSYNC the existing partitions over
16:23<Walex>ml|: unless you want, as you should, also upgrade to Debian 9...
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16:23<Walex>ml|: in which case your plan is good.
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16:24<Walex>ml|: note that there will be some package name changes, even if there will be mostly transitional packages top smooth that over, but only if the starting install is Debian 8.
16:24<ml|>Walex: Yes, copy for me = rsync. Run testing here, so no upgrade is needed; but thanks for the suggestion tho.
16:25<Walex>ml|: then now is the time to switch from "dangerous" 'testing' to 'stable'!
16:26<ml|>Walex: Heh, testing has treated me well for a long time :)
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16:27<ml|>What a mess this change will be, hope it will not be too messy.
16:28<Walex>ml|: in your case you can do a minimal install, and then just copy your existing '/' on top of it. UNIX/Linux '/' is not magical, it is just a set of files.
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16:28<Walex>ml|: not messy at all, because it is same-version, you only need to copy existing filetree contents from disk A to B.
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16:29<ml|>Walex: Yes, my concern is the new UEFI scheme: including packages a some different config files will change.
16:29<Walex>ml|: suggested RSYNC options: -a -axHOAX --del
16:29<Walex>ml|: no, switching to UEFI should have a miminal effect if any.
16:29<ryouma>or use long options so as not to drive people insane :)
16:30<ml|>Walex: This what normally use: rsync -ahvzAHX --stats --delete-after
16:30<ml|>To be through.
16:30<Walex>ml|: you can install the EFI kernel now...
16:31<Walex>ooops, it should be the same kernel since a while.
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16:33<ml|>Walex: Simply rsync'ing / will not work and will erase what the installer did for the UEFI stuff.
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16:34<ml|>Walex: Even if one does not use the delete option. Will be hard to tell what has changed.
16:34<gheorghe>guys, if you have new intel procs, you need to: apt update; apt-get install intel-microcode
16:34<gheorghe>full article: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/06/msg00308.html
16:35<ml|>Yes, intel-microcode is good to have.
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16:37<jordanb>Does anyone know what happened to virtualbox? the packages don't seem to exist anymore. I'm using testing and have contrib and non-free
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16:37<amacater>About the only package change will be grub-efi. There needs to be a GPT formatted disk. There needs to be a boot partition - on this laptop it's still 512M
16:37<lindi->jordanb: it can't be compiled with free software anymore
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16:38<Walex>jordanb: VirtualBox has always been quite buggy with a nasty kernel module. Since LibVirt/QEMU/KVM, Xen and UML are available...
16:38<olric>hi
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16:38<amacater>If you were installing Stretch - just do an expert install to install the minimum system. Then install any device drivers for wifi / Nvidia graphics etc / any nonfree drivers. Reboot. Use tasksel to install your preferred desktop
16:38<ml|>gheorghe: Thank You, for that link.
16:39<amacater>I normally add in the ssh server in the first step, but that's just me.
16:39<amacater>_then_ rsync across user data, mail etc
16:40<amacater>That way you get a clean install and not a frankenDebian
16:40<jordanb>https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/
16:40<gheorghe>ml| seems I am in the green range: https://paste.debian.net/973276/ ... i enabled contrib and nonfree after installing stretch, cause i needed the drivers for the GTX 970. so i also got the microcode :D
16:40<jordanb>So I need to run one of these, which is why I'm trying to install virtualbox.
16:41<jordanb>I don't think they'd run under qemu, etc.
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16:41<jordanb>Also I guess this page needs to be updated to say virtualbox isn't available anymore?
16:42<amacater>kvm-qemu has packages to convert virtualbox - KVM -vmware to a common platform
16:42<jordanb>https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox
16:43<ml|>amacater: Running testing here for a long time. So one of the few new packages will be grub-efi? So to switching to UEFI: 1. Do a fresh minimal install. 2. Use the aptitude clone factiod to get all packages reinstalled. 3. Copy all the data back from /home /etc /usr /var Does seem right to you guys, I'm missing something?
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16:43<tpo>Walex, however none of LibVirt/QEMU/KVM/Xen/UML are as easy to use a VirtualBox as far as I know. I do not know of any nice, non-broken, complete frontend to either of those technologies. Do you?
16:43<lindi->tpo: gnome-boxes is pretty nice
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16:44<jordanb>FWIU of the above list only QEMU is a complete virtualizaer right? To the extent that you can run different OSes under it?
16:44<Walex>tpo: I don't much use GUI frontends, but there are quite a few that I briefly tried for LibVirt and they seemed good.
16:44<lindi->tpo: and virt-manager is quite complete but there are certainly areas that need improvement
16:44<Walex>jordanb: whatever you want.
16:44<lindi->for example shared folders aren't really supported
16:44<jordanb>I mean, I can't run windows under KVM or Xen can I?
16:44<lindi->jordanb: sure you can
16:44<Walex>jordanb: indeed you can.
16:44<jordanb>ok
16:45<lindi->jordanb: what do you think the public clouds use? :)
16:45<Walex>jordanb: QEMU has even simulators for non-x86 CPUs, you can run obscure OSes for long-forgotten CPUs with it.
16:45<jordanb>Yeah I know qemu can do that stuff. I've used it in the past before vb came out.
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16:46<tpo>lindi-, thanks for the tip!
16:47<lindi->tpo: for shared folders I just setup smbd.service to listen on localhost and share a single directory
16:47<Walex>I have written a tiny script to run QEMU/KVM, I don't even use LibVirt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24951224/
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16:47<lindi->I used to do that too but now that I've learned libvirt I'd strongly recommend using libvirt
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16:47<Walex>lindi-: for Linux-Linux sharing NFS is good. Also UML has a nice "mount from local host" option.
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16:48<amacater>mll: are you still running testing - so Buster?
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16:48<Walex>lindi-: LibVirt confuses people by using the wrong terminology, confusing a VM configuration with a VM instance.
16:49<Walex>amacater: 3 days after release saying "Buster" is a bit optimistics :-)
16:49<lindi->Walex: maybe but it has clear advantages to just running qemu-system-x86_64 as root
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16:50<Walex>lindi-: just needs to be in 'kvm' group nowadays to read/write '/dev/kvm'
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16:50<amacater>If you plan on running testing forever - you're running Buster right now :)
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16:50<lindi->Walex: I'm not in kvm group, it works with ACLs nowadays
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16:51<MichaelP>debian 9 plasma... chromium keeps closing. pulse audio crashed..... https://bpaste.net/show/89caba86e2ae
16:51<Walex>lindi-: and I dislike thingies that replace "X" with "send 'run X' to a daemon that then runs X"
16:51<amacater>I'd do a fresh install as I listed above, using Stretch - minimal, added drivers, then tasksel for GUI / desktop environment _ then copy acrross home from your old install. Don't bother copying across much
16:51<lindi->Walex: heh
16:51<Walex>lindi-: soon with microservices we will have a VM for 'ls', one for 'cat', etc. :-)
16:52<amacater>Walex: Using docker, you already can :)
16:52<lindi->Walex: so you switch to qemu monitor to make snapshots I guess?
16:52<vertotos>hi, I have debian stretch with xfce as graphical interface. I would like migrate to Gnome, but cant install gnome via sudo apt-get install gnome. Command outputs: Package gnome has no candidate. What should I do?
16:52<amacater>as root, use tasksel - add in Gnome
16:52<lindi->vertotos: or apt-get install task-gnome-desktop
16:52<amacater>That's the easiest way :)
16:53<gheorghe>walex, what does your script do? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24951224/
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16:54<vertotos>lindi: apt-get install task-gnome-desktop outputs E: Package task-gnome-desktop has no candidate
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16:54<lindi->vertotos: sources.list?
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16:54<Walex>amacater: I am afraid of the wrath of God, he burned Sodom and Gomorrah for "practices against nature", and use of microservices to do 'ls' and 'cat' might count as that :-)
16:55<amacater>Walex :)
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16:56<Walex>gheorghe: it just takes one or two arguments: the first needs to be a virtual disk image, second a CDROM image, and runs a VM with those. I have very limited needs: just download an install ISO, install it to a virtual disk to try it out.
16:56<vertotos>lindi: oh, cat /etc/apt/sources.list outputs cat: /etc/apt/sources.list: no such file or directory
16:56<vertotos>:)
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16:58<Walex>gheorghe: sometimes I boot my (real) MS-Windows partition with that, using '/dev/sda' as the first argument.
16:58<Walex>gheorghe: but then I change that "cache-unsafe" to "cache-writethrough" :-)
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16:59<vertotos>hm, what is proper sources.list content for newest debian stretch (testing) ?
16:59<lindi->vertotos: something's pretty broken with your setup
17:00<vertotos>lindi: ya :)
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17:00<Walex>vertotos: 'stretch' has been the 'stable' archive for several days now.
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17:00<gheorghe>walex: so you made a script for booting a HDD/a CD without creating a VM ? just for one-time use ?
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17:01<gheorghe>walex: so you have a 2nd SSD with with Windows on it and sometimes you want to boot it without leaving linux?
17:01<vertotos>Walex: and sth could change in my sources.list after update, I had originally Debian 8 installed upgraded to testing 9stretch)
17:01<vertotos>Walex: and sth could change in my sources.list after update, I had originally Debian 8 installed upgraded to testing 9stretch)
17:02<amacater>!sources
17:02<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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17:03<Walex>gheorghe: "without creating a VM" that is a perfect example of what I was telling "lindi-": "confusing a VM configuration with a VM instance"
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17:04<Walex>vertotos: right now 'stretch' is no longer 'testing'
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17:05<ach>dpkg cyrus-sasl2
17:05<dpkg>ach: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
17:05<vertotos>Walex & amacater: Thank you, sources was broken! :)
17:05<ach>thx dpkg
17:06<vertotos>dpkg: also thank you!
17:06<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, vertotos
17:06<Walex>gheorghe: "so you have a 2nd SSD with with Windows on it and sometimes you want to boot it without leaving linux" more or less: I have a dual-boot 'sda', with both GNU/Linux and MS-Windows dual boot on it, and I can boot it into a VM "just like" by selecting the entry for "MS-Windows" in the GRUB menu. That works pretty well. Of course I am careful not to boot the GNU/Linux '/'
17:06<ach>dpkg install cyrus-sasl2
17:06<dpkg>ach: I give up, what is it?
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17:07<gheorghe>walex, i guess you boot in paravirtual? does Win need to download any additional drivers for this?
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17:07<Walex>gheorghe: no, for MS-Windows it is fully virtualized
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17:08<Walex>gheorghe: which is slow but works well (I have a slightly different script in other words).
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17:08<gheorghe>doesn't that have impact on the performance of the win vm?
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17:09<Walex>gheorghe: oh yes, but what can you do? It is possible to minimize the impact by testing and choosing some virtualized device that has lower overheads.
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17:10<gheorghe>Walex but why? what do you have on that windows that you can not run on linux?
17:10<Walex>BTW for people who want to try try this, the MS-Windows partition being booted and any it accesses must not also be mounted in the host GNU/Linux system...
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17:11<Walex>not even read-only.
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17:12<Walex>gheorghe: there are some OCR packages for MS-Windows that I like. And I have Crossover/WINE, but it is not quite the same thing.
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17:13<Walex>BTW for people who like OCR, I recently discovered a nice frontend to Tesseract and Cuneiform called "Lios" which is really nice.
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17:13<Walex>it is not quite as polished as the MS-Windows OCR packages, but quite usable.
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17:14<gheorghe>what is OCR ?
17:15<Walex>optical character recognition
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17:20<lindi->Walex: if you used spice you'd get at least clipboard sharing with that windows environment :)
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17:22<Walex>lindi-: SPICE is for remote access, you need a client app, instead of the virtual screen appearing directly, IIRC
17:22<Walex>as I was saying, I am not entirely comfortable with turning everything into a service... :-)
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17:22<lindi->Walex: it's the standard way to get clipboard, sound working with local VMs with e.g. gnome-boxes
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17:23<lindi->Walex: of course it also works over network if you want
17:24<Walex>lindi-: seems perfect for accessing the 'vim', 'ls', 'cat' VMs :-)
17:24<lindi->Walex: this way the VMs don't die if you restart your X for example
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17:25<lindi->nowadays there's even a signed spice guest driver for windows
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17:26<Walex>lindi-: that's something I do when I forced by "management" to run background services in a background VM, even if I have usually used VNC for that, but admittedly SPICE is nicer than VNC or RDP.
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17:27<lindi->yep
17:28<ach><.<
17:28<lindi->next I'd like to understand how to configure libvirt policykit rules so that I could grant people limited permissions to specific VMs. the default setup kind of allows everyone to do everything
17:28<lindi->afaik it should now be possible in debian 9 but I haven't tested that yet
17:29<ml|>amacater: Yes, copying /home for sure. Would like to also copy over /etc /root /usr /var In order to preserve as much as possible. Just not sure apt[itude], dpkg will cope. And yes plan on running testing forever ;) Not on buster yet as, I now this not a good time to update the system.
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17:31<Walex>lindi-: "limited permissions to specific VMs" is an example of the confusion I was mentioning above.
17:31<Walex>lindi-: access to the VMs themselves is by SSH and login, so that is extremely easy to arrange.
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17:32<Walex>lindi-: you probably mean "the the VM description files", and that can be done in various ways.
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17:33<lindi->Walex: yeah if you want to for example let users create new VMs, connect them to certain networks, connect a CD
17:33<lindi->Walex: the usual things that people want to be able to do with their VMs
17:33<Walex>lindi-: what you expect is for LibVirt to effectively reimplement the Linux access control system, something that a lot of people seem unduly fond of.
17:34<Walex>lindi-: if those are "their" VMs, they can own the VM description file(s) and just ask LibVirt to edit/instantiate on that.
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17:34<Walex>lindi-: LibVirt turns QEMU into a micro-service and then has to reimplement a whole lot of UNIX/Linux builtin functionality.
17:35<lindi->Walex: how would you only allow user U1 to connect VMs to network N1 in that scenario?
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17:36<Walex>lindi-: that is a meaningless question that arises only because of the confusionary model that VMware has used to bamboozle its customers and make many many many billions from that.
17:36<lindi->Walex: ?
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17:38<Walex>lindi-: on a UNIX/Linux host there are no "virtual networks", "virtual routers", "virtual data centers" etc. to connect to, there are only interfaces and namespaces.
17:38<Walex>and disk images and processes running VM instances.
17:38<lindi->I don't think this is going anywhere :)
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17:42<gheorghe>walex, OCR looks cool.
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17:42<Walex>gheorghe: you tell me that! :-)
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17:43<gheorghe>but what do you use it for? i am not working with papers since i finished school :D
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17:43<Walex>gheorghe: for example to OCR screen dumps from Google Books
17:44<Walex>gheorghe: but also newspapers, old books, documents. Paper written work is still important and very very convenient. I dislike ebooks, even those without DRM.
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17:46<Walex>gheorghe: if I finds something interesting I photograph with a hires pocket camera, and then I OCR it.
17:47*amacater says goodnight and thanks for all the questions :)
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17:47<gheorghe>Walex, so you have a huge collection of "interesting stuff" ?
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17:48<Walex>gheorghe: lots of books, including old computer books and manuals.
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17:49<Walex>gheorghe: I have been trying to find a cheapish book scanner, but not easy, and I am not good enough for a self-build project
17:49<gheorghe>Walex: all I keep is my own work, saved on google drive. if i can't find something via google, i don't need it most cases. makes my life easier, cause i have less stuff to care about
17:49<Walex>fortunately there are quite a few people who help at bitsavers.org
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17:50<Walex>gheorghe: that's one extreme attitude, the other extreme being "hoarders".
17:50<gheorghe>walex: my mother is hoarder. i am doing my best to piss her off :D
17:51<Walex>gheorghe: but there is lots of stuff that has not appeared on the Internet yet or has disappeared from it.
17:51<gheorghe>walex: give me an example
17:52<Walex>gheorghe: also I don't trust Google drive or any Google account, because they can disappear tomorrow, and they do for lots of people.
17:53<Walex>gheorghe: I'll give you two examples, one is "generic": trhere is a very wise, technically competent guy who has a blog about his work in "digital preservation", that is trying to save copies of cademic papers.
17:53<gheorghe>walex: what do you mean, "dissapear"? I heard they dissapear from the android phone, but not that they got deleted from the cloud. how is that even possible?
17:54<Walex>gheorghe: lots of stuff exists only on one server, the owner no longer pays for it, for various reasons, and it is gone.
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17:55<gheorghe>walex: the owner in this server is google and they have their own DCs. also, the data is replicated within multiple DCs.
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17:56<grawity>that's not quite the point though
17:56<dboles>that just means they're resilient against disasters they care about preventing
17:56<grawity>Google might in theory *decide* to make an account disappear
17:56<dboles>it doesn't stop them ignoring data losses that don't bother them, or removing data they want to remove
17:56<Walex>gheorghe: let me confirm that: the owner is google, not you. They can delete your content at any time, or simply cancel your account.
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17:57<dboles>"the cloud" is just someone else's computer. it's not a panacaea, quite the opposite
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17:57<Walex>gheorghe: http://blog.dshr.org/2017/03/the-amnesiac-civilization-part-5.html
17:57<gheorghe>google will never delete data of it's users. i am actually paying for various services made by google. they are making money off me and off many other users. they would never risk to destroy a business. it's exactly the other way around. they are fighting to make me a happy customer
17:57<dboles>lol, ok
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17:57<dboles>that implies that because they profit from it, they must, in all cases, (A) be competent and (B) have good intentions
17:57<Walex>dboles: exactly, and that's why GNU/Debian is so important: it enables anyobdy to have their own computer and set it up.
17:58<dboles>Google make far more money off larger donors than us individual users, so if it's not worth their time to preserver our data, or a higher bidder asks for our data to be deleted, then say goodnight
17:58<gheorghe>ok, ok guys ... i will backup my data against a 2nd DC, just in case microsoft hacks google ...
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17:58<Walex>gheorghe: every day Google disables for example many dozens of thousands of user accounts because their daemons think they have been hacked.
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17:59<dboles>whatever you need to do to shore up your bizarre trust in a faceless corporation that doesn't care about you one bit
17:59<gheorghe>ok, ok ... i will backup data in a 2nd DC somewhere
17:59<Walex>gheorghe: it is extremely difficult to have your account re-enabled, and Google does not need the payments of any one customer.
17:59<Walex>gheorghe: BackBlaze for example?
18:00<Walex>gheorghe: http://blog.dshr.org/2017/03/threats-to-stored-data.html
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18:01<dboles>backing up your data in a 2nd datacentre is not very much better, but i guess it's something
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18:01<gheorghe>you are aware that keeping data on your PC at home has 010x more chances to get lost, right ?
18:01<gheorghe>*100x
18:01<gheorghe>so what do you do, dboles?
18:01<dboles>no, explain it to us
18:02<gheorghe>you keep your data on your PC at home, on one HDD that statistically has ~10 years of life? and wait for the crash?
18:02<dboles>what i do isn't the point, but i will say that whatever goes right or wrong with my data is my responsibility, and i own that. i don't farm it off to some big corp and reassure myself that they have my best interests in mind
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18:03<Walex>guys, a bit of advertising: if you want something to continue existing, fund it. Every year I donate $50 to Debian and $100 to the Internet Archive (and I donate also to Wikipedia etc.).
18:03<dboles>if you're happy with what you do, then great, and just hope you're proven right
18:04<Walex>if only a million users donated that much every year to Debian and the Internet Archive they could do so many more things.
18:04<dboles>anyway, the point to your snide remark about "one HDD with 10 year of life" is no, obviously not, anyone with half a plan has at least one separate backup drive, preferably in a remote location; that's like the most rudimentary step in any private backup plan
18:04<gheorghe>so, dboles, what is your opinion about big corporations? Like google, for example. Or Microsoft, or Canonical ... or nVidia, or Vodafone?
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18:05<Walex>gheorghe: http://blog.dshr.org/2017/03/threats-to-stored-data.html
18:05<dboles>gheorghe: i don't see why you're putting me on trial here, but generally, i think they suck, and i avoid relying on them. there you go
18:05<gheorghe>walex, it's the 2nd time you paste that link
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18:05<Walex>dboles: gheorghe oops
18:07<gheorghe>dboles: well, i do not have blind hate for all coporations. just on microsoft. i really like google, because they did a lot for the open source community and a lot for many people. most of the people in my country would be broke without google. only with android they made linux the most used operating system world wide. and by pushing so much open source tech, they also help the little fellows
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18:08<dboles>sure, and that's great! my point is only that they will not necessary continue doing so forever, as being a for-profit entity, ultimately there is always the chance that good deeds will be neglected or stopped if they're not financially advantageous anymore
18:08<dboles>hence, prepare for that chance by not using them as the only home for your data
18:09<gheorghe>you know they are actually scanning all my mails and all my documents in order to do statistics on them, right? you know how much those statistics are worth? :D
18:09<Walex>gheorghe: for things that simply "disappear", I occasionally read several webcomics, and the past few years quite a few "disappeared", for example "[Exalted] The Freedom Stone", "Fallen Comic", "Tourniquet Webcomic".
18:09<gheorghe>ok, maybe in case of WW3 this would become an issue.
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18:10<dboles>yes, that is the only possible reason.
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18:11<Walex>dboles: huge connglomerates are not simply ruled by "financially advantageous", sometimes they just decide, because of internal politics or fashion, to "change strategy", and entirely divisions, product lines, service areas disappear, just like that.
18:11<dboles>true. financially/politically/culturally/etc, then
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18:12<rob_debian>well, i do not have blind hate for all coporations. just on microsoft. i really like google, because they did a lot for the open source community and a lot for many people. most of the people in my country would be broke without google. only with android they made linux the most used operating system world wide. and by pushing so much open source tech, they also help the little fellows
18:12<friki>Hi, i'm looking for software to manage enterprise "resources inventory" (hardware/servers list and software installed on it). My first try was popcon to automatically register software inventory on each server (mostly working but packages version). Ideas are welcomed.
18:12<ryouma>ok, this is all off topic, but "most of the people in my country would be broke without google"?
18:12<rob_debian>about gheorghe analysis. agree !:)
18:12<gheorghe>i fear more a google admin that goes VERELOX than another company giving google enough money to make them delete my data. who has enough money to buy google anyway? and regarding the verelox case, they made the mistake of giving full access to 1 guy. also to the backups
18:12<Walex>friki: there are lots of them!
18:13<Walex>friki: do a search for "invetory" at "freecode.com"
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18:13<gheorghe>i hope google has enough brains to not give full access to a single department. for example, we have access on the production infrastructure but we do not have any access on the tapedrives. another department manages the tape drives. so we can only cause downtime, not data loss
18:14<dboles>another huge oversimplification; it's not the case that "another company giving google enough money" is the only thing that could possibly go wrong
18:14<friki>Walex: Get track of debian packages (and versions) installed will be enought for software inventory. I'll take a look there, thanks
18:14<dboles>though sure, rogue admins are a good option
18:14<Walex>friki: http://www.freecode.com/tags/inventory-management
18:14<ryouma>friki: apttude search'?
18:14<dboles>("good" as in plausible, not desirable!)
18:16<friki>ryouma: yap, some think like that + cron.daily + database is my first guess
18:16<Walex>friki: http://freecode.com/projects/rackmap
18:16<Walex>friki: http://freecode.com/projects/teddix
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18:16<Walex>chosen at random
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18:18<gheorghe>walex, thank you for the blog articles. kind of big so i will read with care tomorrow. is this your blog?
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18:19<Walex>friki: for Debian of course 'apt-cache search inventory' lists already-packaged ones, like "fusioninventory" and "ocsinventory", "reclass", "opendrim"
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18:19<Walex>gheorghe: no, it is the blog of a storage expert specialized in "digital preservation". The basic figure is that on average only 50% of academic papers published online can still be found complete...
18:19<gheorghe>walex, regarding online comics, i also got to some situations where i lost some cool stuff i found on the internet in 2004. but ... i got used to moving on.
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18:20<dboles>because academic papers and online comics are equivalent
18:20<Walex>dboles: they are both part of "culture".
18:21<gheorghe>i mean, i find it kind of hard to keep everything stored and i am also a very random person. i think i learned to embrace that and always try new games, new movies, new books.
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18:21<Walex>dboles: and most academic papers are useless :-)
18:21<friki>Walex: do you have experience using this kind of software? I was looking for this kind of recomendations ;-) I'll take a look on them, thanks
18:21<Walex>friki: I used 'ocsinventory' years ago, seemed good.
18:21<dboles>Walex: both true i suspect :P
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18:22<friki>cool!
18:22<gheorghe>regarding academic papers, it depends which field you are talking about. i mean this has lots of ramifications. for example, would you still need some papers from 1995 about linux? for anything else but historical data?
18:22<Walex>gheorghe: lots of computer science has been forgotten, sometimes deliberately.
18:23<gheorghe>yep, my point
18:23<gheorghe>HOWEVER
18:23<Walex>gheorghe: but as long as what has been forgotten is still in a library somewhere maybe it will be rediscovered
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18:23<gheorghe>but you would probably still need a study from 1955 about a bacteria. because back then it was not immune to all antibiotics, and people learned to treat it without, which is not the case today. so some old stuff is still needed
18:24<gheorghe>Walex: people tend to act the same in similar situations, so it might get rediscovered without having the initial work. but it usually saves time to find the original papers :D
18:25<friki>gheorghe: nowdays is pretty hard run software from '70s. Some times I don this kind of thinks on my spare time
18:25<gheorghe>friki: it's hard to run software from 2012.
18:26<Walex>gheorghe: "moving on" is fine for a totally rootless and opportunistic style, which may work well if one is a financial trader, but less well if one is an engineer.
18:26<dboles>sobering to consider how much more difficult/expensive my studies would've been if Google Scholar wasn't a thing
18:26<dboles>and at the time I just completely took it for granted
18:27<Walex>dboles: but it could disappear tomorrow; Google disappeared recently a whole social network that was very popular in Brazil.
18:27<gheorghe>walex: i am an engineer, but all the technology I work with was released in the last 5 years. most of it was released in the last 2 years. the technology i am studying now was released in 2017. at this point of my career, i don't get any bonus by knowing how it was like 10 years ago. but it may be different for others. maybe the IOT developers could use some lessens from older devs, for example ...
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18:28<friki>gheorghe: hehehe maybe :-) Try to link software compiled for unix6, RT11 or similar. Its funny but it takes lot of investigation
18:28<Walex>gheorghe: I hear a lot of that from "hipster developers" who keep reinventing the wheel every few years... :-)
18:28<gheorghe>=))
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18:29<gheorghe>Walex, let me rephrase: I am trying to learn openstack ocata atm. does it help me in any way to know ESX 2? :D
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18:29<friki>using this kind of OS terminals is itself a nightmare for me :-$
18:29<thebouzouker>how do i make /etc/apt/sources.list writable. I am new to Linux
18:30<gheorghe>Walex: do we still have academic studies for esx 2? well, maybe somebody has them stashed somewhere ... but it would need a lot of research.
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18:30<gheorghe>thebouzouker: try with sudo. if you don't have sudo, use "su -" and type the root password
18:30<thebouzouker>it works with su
18:30<thebouzouker>what do i do next
18:30<dboles>you write to it
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18:31<friki>thebouzouker: you should be root to do that, using "su" or "sudo" and probably you should know how to exit vim first ;-)
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18:31<Walex>gheorghe: oh yes, but you are thinking that you are learning a product, not a technology. A lot of very dumb managers think that they manage products, not technologies, so those who need OpenStack "Ocata" product people will like you...
18:31<gheorghe>thebouzouker: if you want to make it editable by everybody, do chmod 777 FILENAME. however, i do advise against that. you might get hacked :D just use it with sudo :D
18:31<Walex>BTW usually hipster developers reinvent this kind of wheel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSfeDy6Yc0g
18:31<dboles>ya, do _not_ chmod that or any other system file
18:31<thebouzouker>i want to change it to non-free
18:31<thebouzouker>after main
18:32<thebouzouker>so i just write to it and exit?
18:32<dboles>so edit it as root, and change it
18:32<gheorghe>omg walex that youtube videois 100% genius
18:32<friki>don't do that, thebouzouker. Keep the original file mode (perms) until you know what you do
18:32<gheorghe>thebouzouker, one sec
18:32<friki>thebouzouker: add "contrib", also
18:32<piper>as root (i am not a fan of sudo) nano /etc/apt/sources.list easy for beginners
18:32<thebouzouker>i am not going to change permission. i just want to write
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18:33<gheorghe>thebouzouker: here is the content of my sources: https://paste.debian.net/973276/
18:33<thebouzouker>ill try nano
18:33<gheorghe>thebouzouker: it has the right packages for nvidia drivers, new intel microcode, some OS juice ... it's just adding contrib and non-free at the end of every line
18:33<friki>nano is good for newbies, yes. control+o control+x to save and exit. You can read the shorcuts at the bottom of nano
18:34<thebouzouker>ok will try
18:34<piper>control+x is all you need
18:34<gheorghe>thebouzouker: after changing the sources and saving the file, run "apt update; apt dist-upgrade -y". this will update the system if something new is found, but will not change your graphics card drivers.
18:34<dboles>ctrl+x, y, enter if memory serves
18:34<thebouzouker>ok
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18:35<gheorghe>walex: i know the technology, as it worked in the last 3-4 years. i don't know how it worked 10 years ago, cause I am to young for that. 10 years ago i was just learning c++ in school.
18:36<Walex>more "hipster developer" bicycles, some of them strongly remind me of OpenStack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gcfruNSQF8
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18:37<gheorghe>walex: what is openstack reinventing the wheel with? they are providing open source software for cloud services that were never done opensource before. also, they are obliterating other tehnologies with the performance, scalability and configurability ... i find nothing bad about that :D
18:38<thebouzouker>Done. Is this valid? https://pastebin.com/i9iMvYCF
18:38<Walex>gheorghe: it is breathtakingly unreliable, badly designed and largely pointless...
18:39<Walex>gheorghe: I think it will disappear in a few years.
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18:39<gheorghe>walex: why do you say that?
18:39<Walex>but then a lot of bad products still exist...
18:40<dboles>Walex: the difference is that the bikes are funny
18:40<gheorghe>walex: i am learning openstack after doing years of support on vmware/windows server/redhat 6-7, and i find openstack from another league. it seems far better. and you tell me it's shit. i am confused here atm
18:40<Walex>gheorghe: because a lot of the people whose managers told them to install it think that it is unreliable, badly designed and pointless. It is a big fad.
18:41<dboles>thebouzouker: it seems ok to me
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18:41<thebouzouker>ok then ill update
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18:41<dboles>thebouzouker: worst that can happen is apt will tell you theres a syntax error; it won't do anything wrong
18:41<gheorghe>walex: what software would you use today, instead of openstack?
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18:42<rob_debian>bye the way, gheorghe, there is a special channel for openstack issues in debian. they provide support for that over there
18:42<gheorghe>ron_debian: i am on that channel. asked something earlier today, nobody answered :D
18:42<Walex>gheorghe: well, I hear good things about OpenNebula... But in general use of VMs is a fad. They are very, very expensive and unnecessary except for admin separation.
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18:43<gheorghe>walex: so you are telling me people should go back to bare metal?
18:43<rob_debian>just persist gheoghe, probably they'll provide the support you need, but have to wait for a while
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18:43<rob_debian>be bakc
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18:44<Walex>gheorghe: I think that most people will go back to bare metal, e.g. ATOM or ARM based servers, for which of course Debian is very suitable too.
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18:45<gheorghe>walex: i know right now facebook is running bare metal. they stated they don't need virtualisation as their servers are always at 100%. however, considering the customers I am working with, bare metal would bring us real problems. they have legacy apps that are hard to maintain without a virtual env.
18:46<gheorghe>but apart from facebook... i see many big companies running virtual envs. but than agan, not everybody needs 100% processing power and would rather have an easy life managing the infrastructure
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18:47<Walex>gheorghe: the problem is also reliability... Adding more layers reduces reliability.
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18:48<gheorghe>walex: yea, but you have better ressource management and if something fails on one layer, you can have multiple redundant nodes for that layer. just look at VBLOCK
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18:49<gheorghe>walex: by adding multiple layers you can give the customer 100% uptime. the myth is here. this is starting to be possible. we actually have customers who had 0 (zero) downtime in the last years
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18:50<thebouzouker>i am getting an error about vga connected to my 2 displays. i have 2 Asus Radeon R7 240 cards
18:51<thebouzouker>i am trying to solve by fresh netinstall
18:51<thebouzouker>but the problem wont go
18:51<Walex>thebouzouker: thanks for letting us know that you think that GNU/Debian is like MS-Windows :-)
18:52<thebouzouker>no its not. its damn powerfull
18:52<dodo>Hello, I have installed Stretch and I'm trying to install 'roundcube'. mariaDB was needed and installed. No password was asked for the administrative user in the DB. When installing roundcube, is asking me for the administrative password. I'm using an empty password but it fails. what should I do?
18:52<Walex>thebouzouker: but it does not need to be reinstalled every time there is a problem :-)
18:53<Walex>dodo: depends...
18:53<thebouzouker>i thought i did something wrong with files so i reinstalled just in case
18:53<Walex>dodo: a random password is generated on DBMS install, and you can find it in '/etc/'
18:53<thebouzouker>I think i might have to buy 2 new displays with Hdmi
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18:54<gheorghe>thebouzouker: i am sure this can be sorted out with drivers/settings
18:54<Walex>dodo: but the question is whether RoundCube needs its own MariaDB instance or just a new database withing the default instance, and in that case whether it needs its own user. Read carefully the RoundCube install instructions.
18:55<thebouzouker>gheorghe have u encountered this before?
18:55<Walex>thebouzouker: indeed usually it is possible to have dual-VGA setups.
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18:55<gheorghe>Walex: i used roundcube with a database on a mariadb instances with muuutiple other DBs and had no probs. i just gave roundcube the db, user, pass and everything was fine
18:56<dodo>Thanks Walex
18:56<dodo>I will try to find that password
18:56<gheorghe>thebouzouker: i had some issues running my nvidia gtx 970 on ubuntu, but it was flawless on debian tbh :D
18:56<thebouzouker>well that didnt work out well in my case
18:56<Walex>dodo: I think "gheorghe" just said he created a separate user and password for it. Check the install instructions.
18:58<gheorghe>dodo, walex: for any application i install on LAMP, i create a separate DB and a separate user. so I usually get a setup with 10 dbs and 10 users.
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18:59<Walex>gheorghe: that is what I would like too, but "dodo" obviously is a bit uncertain and likelyu the RoundCube install instructions have the relevant process.
18:59<gheorghe>dodo, walex: this is also good for security reasons. each up should only know its own user/pass combo, and each users should have access only to one DB. that helps you in case you have a security issue somewhere in wordpress or roundcube or cakephp or whatever you use ... they don't kill each other
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19:00<finn>how do I get npm on stretch?
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19:01<finn>the npm package is only available on jessie or sid
19:01<gheorghe>walex, dodo: https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/wiki/Installation
19:01<gheorghe>walex, dodo: CREATE DATABASE roundcubemail;
19:01<gheorghe>GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON roundcubemail.* TO username@localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'password';
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19:02<gheorghe>official instructions :D
19:02<Walex>finn: it is a complicated story and check the external repository.
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19:02<finn>check the external repository?
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19:03<Walex>finn: https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/67p3og/anybody_knows_why_the_npm_package_is_available/
19:03<finn>thanks
19:04<gheorghe>dodo: my advice: use a VM or a container for your new deployment, so if you do something bad, you can just reinstall the container/vm. i would go with LXD container nowadays, since it works great and it's really easy to use.
19:04<Walex>finn: https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions
19:04<gheorghe>dodo: also, you need a proper setup for postfix and dovecot to make roundcube run properly. my first roundcube setup took me a week. i think i can do it now in 30 mins, but i did it lots of times. also, it gets complicated if you have mutiple domains.
19:06<finn>Walex: srsly? curl | bash? i thought everyone was basically on the same page about not doing that...
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19:07<gheorghe>finn: this is new to me. why not just curl | bash?
19:08<finn>because your essentially granting a remote server the ability to arbitrarily do whatever it wants
19:08<finn>on your box
19:09<gheorghe>finn: than curl the script to a file, read it, and bash if after that
19:10<gheorghe>finn: however, that script is provided by the same people who provide you the software. so if you don't trust them, running the software is equally bad
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19:11<thebouzouker>i cant find drivers for my soundcard its an RME 9652 hdsp. Is there a way to make this work?
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19:12<thebouzouker>https://www.rme-audio.de/en/products/hdsp_9652.php
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19:13<thebouzouker>its connected with optical in-outs
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19:14<gheorghe>finn: also, (personal advice), don't run npm on your bare metal. no matter if it is laptop, desktop, w/e. run it in a VM. cause maybe next day you need php and than python and you end up having 42318749218743 packages on a system. i always like having thinks clean. so i do a separate container for everything. used to do VMs before containers
19:14<Walex>finn: you may have missed the "#debian-an d-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions
19:16<gheorghe>going to sleep guys, gn
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19:16<finn>Walex: yeah, i read through the shell script to get the actual repo out
19:16<gheorghe>walex, looking forward to continuing our discussion tomorow ;)
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19:19<finn>now im wondering how im magically going to get 42318749218743 packages on my system...
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19:20<gheorghe>:))
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19:22<gheorghe>finn, i told you, personal prefferance. i saw people with apache and nginx on the same box and i facepalmed. i like to have my box clean :D
19:23<finn>gheorghe: you know npm generally keeps shit it installs in the directory you install it in, right?
19:23<finn>unless you give it a -g
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19:28<gheorghe>yep
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19:29<bremner>protip, you can configure the destination for -g
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19:31<thebouzouker>can anyone help me with my soundcard?
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19:33<bremner>!ask
19:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:34<thebouzouker>ok
19:35<thebouzouker>i cant find drivers for my soundcard its an RME 9652 hdsp. Is there a way to make this work?
19:35<thebouzouker>https://www.rme-audio.de/en/products/hdsp_9652.php
19:35<thebouzouker>its connected with optical in-outs
19:35<thebouzouker>debian recognises my card but i dont have any sound
19:35<thebouzouker>and thats because i cant see inputs and outputs
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19:36<thebouzouker>i am on debian 9
19:37<Brigo>thebouzouker, it is supported from long ago it looks like: https://community.ardour.org/node/4679
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19:37<thebouzouker>yes thats on ubuntu. what about debian
19:38<thebouzouker>what do i install to make it work
19:39<Brigo>thebouzouker, there is a guy from debian in this page saying he has no problem with that card.
19:39<Brigo>anyway the kernel supports the card, so there is no diference if you are using Debian Ubuntu or whatever.
19:39<thebouzouker>well it seemes that i need some software to configure ins and outs of the soundcard
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19:41<thebouzouker>i probably need hdspmixer. How do i get this for Linux?
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19:45<bremner>not sure what that is, but perhaps you want alsamixer or pavucontrol
19:46<bremner>depending on if you are running pulseaudio or not.
19:47<thebouzouker>i do have pulseaudio right now dont i?
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19:50<thebouzouker>i mean on fresh debian 9 install
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19:51<bremner>well, try installing / running pavucontrol
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19:59<tomg2>thebouzouker: i have no idea if you have pulseaudio, i'd say no. in any case, try running alsamixer
19:59<tomg2>and turning the volume up and the mute off
20:00<thebouzouker>give me a sec. i just installed pavucontrol. checking this right now
20:00<tomg2>actually i just read the scrollback and I don't think what i said will help at all
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20:03<thebouzouker>nope. no sound with pavucontrol
20:03<thebouzouker>ill give alsamixer a try
20:04<Brigo>ahdspmixer is in alsa-tools-gui package
20:04<thebouzouker>do you have the terminal command?
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20:09<tomg2>alsamixer
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20:09<tomg2>alsalmixergui is in the alsamixergui package
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20:10<tomg2>if that doesn't help, i would keep asking around here and other places (I have no experience with pulseaudio in order to help you)
20:10<thebouzouker>so if i apt-get install alsamixergui will it work?
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21:05<aidalgol>Is the situation wrt security support for node likely to improve in the foreseeable future? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#libv8
21:05<rob_debian>Hi all, I have 12 debian installations here, but haven't upgraded them yet to stretch 9.0. Please, is that recommended to upgrade jessie 8.8 to stretch 9.0 as fast as possible, or not necessarily so fast ?
21:05<bremner>no panic
21:05<aidalgol>rob_debian: Just sometime before Jessie support is completely dropped.
21:05<bremner>choose a time that works for you.
21:06<aidalgol>Which I think is around 2020.
21:06<rob_debian>hi bremner ! glado to see you here !:)
21:07<rob_debian>glad to see you, bremner !:)
21:07<rob_debian>hi aidalgol, you mean: debian jessie support until 2020 ?
21:08<aidalgol>rob_debian: Yes, going by the table on https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/
21:09<bremner>note that LTS support may not be there for all packages.
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21:10<bremner>anyway there should be a year of regular security support for Jessie still.
21:10<bremner>rob_debian: I'd say plan on a one year transition period.
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21:15<rob_debian>bremner, have you already upgraded your debian to stretch ? have you done the same, aidagol ?
21:16<bremner>rob_debian: yes, I have updated my last jessie machine to stretch about a month ago
21:16<aidalgol>Yeah, I was going to hold off for about a month, but then I found myself needing libraries from stretch, so instead of backporting them, I just upgrades.
21:16<bremner>actually, that's not true, I have some servers still running jessie
21:16<bremner>so currently I run jessie, stretch, and buster, depending on the role of the machine
21:17<bremner>and partly to due to lack of time to update the jessie machines
21:17<aidalgol>bremner: Might be useful to mention that you're a Debian Dev, though?
21:17<bremner>well. yes, but I'm more conservative than most devs: my office machine runs stable until very late
21:18<bremner>I only updated a bit early because gpg was making me crazy
21:18<aidalgol>I tried running testing back in university. I couldn't handle the stress.
21:19<bremner>fair enough.
21:19<rob_debian>bremner, you said 'gpg' ?
21:19<aidalgol>"Oh god, I have four assignments due in three days and installing liblua-dev pulled in dependencies that have broken X"!
21:19<aidalgol><insert copious amounts of swearing and furniture destruction>
21:19<bremner>aidalgol: right. that's why I have one machine running stable
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21:20<bremner>rob_debian: yes, gpg 2.1 actually handles smartcards better than 2.0 or 1.5
21:20<bremner>err. 1.4
21:20<rob_debian>oh, I see
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21:25<rob_debian>bremner, you said you run jessie, stretch, buster... buster ??
21:25<bremner>testing
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21:26<bremner>that machine is mainly for debian/free-software development
21:26<rob_debian>2014-11-09: Distribution codename - buster, I see.
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21:34<annadane>how does one remove a de from the login prompt?
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21:34<annadane>in the GUI, more precisely
21:35<Zimsky>de?
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21:36<annadane>desktop environment
21:38<rob_debian>please, bremner, I need unofficial image for stretch, because of need to add non-free packages, but I bit confused here: what option should I use in this case? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/stretch/
21:40<rob_debian>current ? or older ?
21:42<userxv>need help using rescatux
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21:44<annadane>!ask
21:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:44<annadane>userxv, ^
21:45<userxv>my log here
21:45<userxv>http://paste.debian.net/973296/
21:47<userxv>maybe too complicated
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21:49<userxv>had win 10 bsod first
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21:58<blast007>rob_debian: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/9.0.0+nonfree/
21:59<blast007>(at least, for the install image - if you need a live image, hit the parent directory and look for the 9.0.1 live directory)
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22:11<rob_debian>blast007, tried to find this link, but for 9.0 (I've found, the same you told me here) and for 8.8 jessie too (not found here)
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22:20<userxv>Am I need to ask more about?
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22:21<annadane>userxv, you just want to restore your windows 10 partition?
22:22<annadane>you're being perhaps a bit vague with your question
22:23<userxv>I had a dual boot Linux and win 10
22:23<userxv>Could not even reach the loading menu
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22:24<userxv>just black screen
22:24<annadane>which loading menu?
22:24<annadane>the one which allows you to pick between them?
22:24<userxv>yes exactly
22:25<annadane>well, seems like it's GRUB problem perhaps
22:26<annadane>i can't really tell what's going on based on your paste, but what's the last thing you remember doing before this problem?
22:27<userxv> I tried different programs to fix the boot menu
22:27<userxv>but it became worst
22:28<annadane>you're answering me what you did once you had the problem; did you do anything before the problem started?
22:28<annadane>i think in general terms you should be able to fix your system using a debian disc
22:29<annadane>or configure grub... these things i don't actually know how to do unfortunately
22:29<annadane>someone more knowledgeable should answer this
22:29<userxv>I am not the installer and I did not have any disc
22:29<annadane>sorry for not being helpful
22:31<userxv>Alright
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22:32<userxv>Just try to find different option to fix my problems
22:34<userxv>Some ideas to find a program to fix a Dual- boot linux with Bsod win 10 ?
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22:54<virginia>Good night.
22:55<virginia>I'm trying to setup Chromium as my default web browser.
22:55<virginia>The gnome settings screen doesn't list chromium under the "web" tab.
22:56<virginia>:/
23:02<mnuhmnuh>virginia: is chromium installed?
23:02<mnuhmnuh>aptitude search chromium
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23:02<virginia>Yes, though in alacarte I call it using firejail.
23:02<virginia>"firejail chromium"
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23:04<mnuhmnuh>dunno what that means. can you run it from a command line? "/usr/bin/chromium &", or whatever (which chromium).
23:05<userxv>New info for help
23:06<userxv>http://paste.ubuntu.com/24953718/
23:06<virginia>mnuhmnuh: I can, though it failed to load "canberra-gtk-module"
23:07<mnuhmnuh>is libcanberra-gtk-module installed.
23:08<virginia>Nope.
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23:08<userxv>annadane maybe?
23:08<mnuhmnuh>there you go. install that, you should be good to go.
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23:11<mnuhmnuh>userxv: you running ubuntu? did you see "Suggested repair" down at the bottom of your paste?
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23:11<userxv>yes
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23:12<mnuhmnuh>yes & yes? this is debian stable support, ya know, not ubuntu.
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23:14<mnuhmnuh>we could get you more screwed up than you are now by suggesting debian fixes to ubuntu.
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23:14<userxv>http://paste.ubuntu.com/24953774/
23:15<virginia>mnuhmnuh: Installed it, chromium still wasn't listed as an option. :\
23:15<userxv>I did the correction
23:15<mnuhmnuh>vi try commanline again
23:15<virginia>mnuhmnuh: Is there a way to set it up as the default through CLI?
23:16<userxv>I am using Rescatux
23:17<mnuhmnuh>virginia: sure, but i don't know how. which winmgr?
23:17<deliver>super_grub2_disk_hybrid_2.02s4.iso
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23:17<mnuhmnuh>userxv: says you fixed it and can reboot.
23:18<virginia>mnuhmnuh: Gnome 3.22.2
23:19<mnuhmnuh>gnome settings editor or somesuch?!?
23:19<userxv>the new log seem to be the same again
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23:21<virginia>mnuhmnuh: This is the information you're looking for? "gnome-settings-daemon/stable,now 3.22.2-2 amd64 [installed]"
23:22<mnuhmnuh>virginia: can you find that in the menus and run it? i'm not much use in configging guis myself. command line kind a guy here.
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23:22<deliver>https://youtu.be/dGA8e_A2PeA?t=10 this speak is not meant seriously?
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23:26<virginia>mnuhmnuh: Nome I can't. My bad. I just saw that the GUI for the gnome settings is referred to as gnome-control-centr in the system monitor.al
23:26<virginia>"gnome-control-center"*
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23:26<virginia>I'm checking its man page now.
23:28<virginia>"For more exotic or uncommon options, you can look at gnome-tweak-tool or the gsettings commandline utility."
23:28<virginia>gsettings, huh?
23:28<deliver>[ALT-F2] konqueror maan:/
23:29<deliver>One "a" too much
23:29<mnuhmnuh>thot maybe you meant a jamaican accent. :-)
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23:34<k-man>i have a quadro 600 in my computer. i don't care about graphics performance. i just want it to work for console. but currently as the computer boots, the screen goes blank
23:34<k-man>like when the kernel switches graphics mode or something
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23:37<mnuhmnuh>k-man: can you ctrl-alt-f1 to console?
23:38<k-man>mnuhmnuh, no, x is not installed
23:39<k-man>its when the kernel changes the video mode
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23:41<mnuhmnuh>k-man: back in ancient history, we just told it to use the generic vga driver instead of your chip's; dunno what to do these days, sry.
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23:43<mnuhmnuh>k-man: can you get into rescue mode at grub boot prompt. possibly fix from there.
23:43<k-man>i can ssh in luckily
23:44<mnuhmnuh>i'm trying to remember how to unfutz kernel video mode change ... grr.
23:45<mnuhmnuh>from cli, i mean.
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23:45<k-man>yeah im sure there was a way too but i can't recall it either
23:46<mnuhmnuh>google, ixquick, bing, ...
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23:50<deliver>browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
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23:58<k-man>mnuhmnuh, fixed it by adding nouveau.modeset=0 to the kernel parameters
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