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00:01<twb>I'm trying to set up my sources.list.d/debian.list using the sexy new format
00:02<twb>http://sprunge.us/jPRS --- WTF am I doing wrong?
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00:03<k-man>there is a secy new format?
00:03<twb>k-man: new since jessie
00:03<k-man>sexy even
00:03<k-man>wow, i had no idea
00:04<lindi->twb: "Files in this format have the extension .sources."
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00:04<twb>lindi-: ohhhh sorry, I remembered the extension wrong
00:04<twb>thanks
00:04<lindi->np
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00:05<k-man>ooh nice catch lindi-
00:05<twb>I knew there was a required extension, I just remembered the wrong one
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00:06<twb>Herp derp -- went to copy it into my notes, and the working version was already tehre
00:06<k-man>why does debian not install with the sexy new format?
00:06<twb>k-man: inertia
00:06<k-man>ah
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00:08<mnuhmnuh>why bother when sources.list is 7 lines long, and you shouldn't be using other than debian repos?
00:10<twb>mnuhmnuh: it's less repetetive, which pays off the more mirrors and suites you have
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01:03<czx>heart broken
01:03<twb>czx: did you keep the receipt
01:03<czx>yes
01:04<twb>is it in warranty
01:04<czx>no
01:04<twb>bummer
01:05<czx>nothing
01:05<czx>just feeling xchat is different
01:05<twb>hexchat I hope :P
01:06<czx>as same as it
01:06<czx>I like use QQ
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01:51<k-man>my gpt table seems to get corrupted after rebooting
01:52<k-man>http://sprunge.us/EOGD
01:52<k-man>i can fix it with gdisk, but then after rebooting i get the same error
01:52<twb>k-man: I'd also be worrying about what caused the corruption, in case it's gonna re-corrupt it
01:53<k-man>hmmm
01:53<k-man>its a brand new install on brand new hdds
01:53<twb>k-man: first suspect: fs overrun when you did e.g. a VM or loopback mount
01:53<k-man>not done anything like that yet
01:54<twb>k-man: I notice you don't have an ESP, which will piss off some things
01:54<k-man>http://sprunge.us/MYXZ
01:54<twb>Ah you have ESP but only on one disk
01:54<k-man>my understanding was that only one ESP is supported
01:55<twb>If you're using a static refind config, I would set up an ESP on both disks looking identical
01:55<twb>That way if one disk dies the other one will Just Work
01:55<k-man>i see
01:55<twb>if you're using grub, I have NFI
01:55<k-man>good point
01:55<k-man>i'm using grub
01:55<k-man>i took your point of using that other thing, but it was a bridge too far for me
01:55<twb>No worries
01:56<twb>re partitioning, I also strongly recommend using -a opt to minimize write amplification from misalignment
01:56<k-man>-a ?
01:56<twb>k-man: parted --align optimal /dev/sda align-check
01:57<twb>Oh lame. "parted -s /dev/sda align-check optimal 1", for each partition one at a time
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02:07<k-man>i think they are optimal, that command didn't return anything
02:07<k-man>rebooting still corrupts the backup GPT header
02:07<twb>Righto. Dunno about the corruption
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02:10<k-man>twb, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=951244#c24
02:11<twb>k-man: ohhhh
02:11<twb>k-man: ALWAYS set the BIOS config to AHCI
02:12<twb>k-man: all the other options are for legacy OS support
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02:13<k-man>i just checked, afaict, it is AHCI
02:13<k-man>there was another option what was "disable sata raid controller"
02:13<k-man>i don't think I want that but i'm testing if that fixes it
02:15<k-man>yeah that just turned off the controller all together
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02:35<k-man>hmmm so i'm at a loss
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02:36<k-man>where do you think i could ask further advice?
02:37<k-man>maybe on #grub or something
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02:49<twb>I guess
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02:56<k-man>so does debian need a grub partition when using gpt partitioning?
02:58<twb>k-man: IIRC that 1MB partition is a workaround that grub needs *sometimes* when using GPT
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02:58<twb>k-man: I think it gets really stroppy if you remove it
02:58<k-man>hmmm
02:58<k-man>i don't have one and the guy on #grub seemed to think I would need one
02:58<twb>refind just uses the ESP for the same purpose
02:58<k-man>can i just switch to refind?
02:59<twb>k-man: >shrug<
02:59<twb>k-man: did you read that doc I pastebinned for you? :-)
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02:59<k-man>i started too - then i felt like i had to lie down for a while ;)
03:01<enyc>k-man, twb : if EFI booting iirc you dont need special partition, just the usual ESP (EFI system partition) and linux and linuxswap
03:01<twb>Ah, thanks
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03:02<k-man>twb, installed it, refind booted grub, which booted linux
03:02<twb>haha
03:02<twb>i never tried it after grub was installed
03:02<enyc>k-man, twb : however, if BIOS booting from GPT you really should have bios_boot partition ....
03:03<twb>enyc: I *think* k-man has a new desktop which is booting in EFI mode
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03:09<enyc>twb: dpkg -l grub-efi dpkg -l grub-pc ??
03:10<twb>k-man: ↑
03:11<k-man>i have grub-efi-amd64
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03:14<enyc>it is possible but conplicated to bake system bootable both bios and efi.p... but short answer don't go there ;p
03:15<enyc>useful for 'portable' disk =)
03:15<k-man>no, i just want to boot using whatever. the problem is that after rebooting my gpt backup table reports as corrupted
03:15<k-man>and I can't work out why
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03:15<twb>enyc: well, just make it bootable ISO or VFAT and then let EFI chainload seabios
03:15<k-man>anyway, got to run
03:16<k-man>i'll tackle it more tomorrow
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04:48<j3ssie>hello
04:48<twb>j3ssie: hi, do you have a Debian question?
04:48<j3ssie>nope
04:49<j3ssie>i'm just try to use IRC
04:49<j3ssie>exit
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04:50<duclicsic>well, nearly a complete success..
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04:50<grove>Why doesn't dpkg respond to my queries in pm's?
04:51<grove>dpkg: Are you there
04:51<dpkg>grove: are you smoking crack?
04:53<twb>grove: you must be in a channel dpkg is in
04:53<twb>grove: e.g. #debian or #debian-bots
04:53<grove>twb: I'm here, right?
04:53<twb>grove: you are now, yes
04:54<twb>18:53 /msg dpkg version — works for me
04:54<grove> /msg dpkg Are you there - didn't work for me
04:54<madduck>keithp: I finally got a chance to plug in the chaoskey. The driver loaded. /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail is high, but I can't seem to get any sort of status or statistics anywhere. Is there something?
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05:28<medicalwei>Are there any discussions that flashplugin-nonfree is removed from Stretch?
05:28<medicalwei>I can't find any, and Debian wiki doesn't indicate any discussions about the plugin.
05:29<narcan>medicalwei: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851066
05:30<twb>!flash
05:30<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851066 in flashplugin-nonfree (open, security): «flashplugin-nonfree: Mismatch between detected and available versions (Download file not available at people.debian.org)»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-01-11; last modified: 2017-06-23.
05:30<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash, or see nasty bug #841373
05:30<twb>medicalwei: there's also the pepperflashplugin-nonfree FWIW
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05:32<medicalwei>Does it work on Firefox in spite of removal of Firefox NPAPI?
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05:33<twb>NFI
05:33<twb>I just flat out banned flash at my sites, since only Univ. Qld was affected
05:33<twb>(And I could prove that the U. Q. student hadn't studied at all in the last 12 months)
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05:33<medicalwei>I don't use it neither.
05:34<medicalwei>Just someone asked how to install it in Stretch and forwarded the question.
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05:54<username>lol
05:54<username>this is cool
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05:55<username>installed parrot os and get this cool little tool
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05:57<bremner>hey, he can't go away before we tell him to leave, what is this
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06:07<debuser99>is this a bug? every time i press / in a package description window, if i search anything aptitude will freeze. no matter how long i waited (t<30m)
06:08<debuser99>i thought i would search keywords in package description
06:08<bremner>debuser99: do you get a popup search window?
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06:09<debuser99>yes, i do
06:09<bremner>ok, and after you enter a search term it freezes?
06:09<debuser99>in a instant search style
06:09<debuser99>normally no longer than 2 letters
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06:10<bremner>this is in the curses interface? not sure what a "package description window" is
06:11<debuser99>maybe i should use the word tab?
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06:11<debuser99>or screen?
06:11<debuser99>ge
06:11<debuser99>the screen displaying single package information
06:12<debuser99>maybe package info view
06:14<bremner>ok. according to the help / is still bound to matching package names there
06:15<bremner>what happens if you hit return?
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06:18<zhangxun>hah
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06:20<debuser99>like any other key its already freezed…
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06:22<debuser99>ctlaltdel still works, Ctrl+c etc they don't work
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06:27<thebouzouker>I installed alsa but i still dont have any sound. i am on debian 9. M y soundcard is a Rme 9652 hdsp.
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06:29<thebouzouker>i have removed pavucontrol
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06:42<larjona>Hi, I'm following instructions to put a systemrescueCD iso image into an USB stick, and the instructions tell me to run "isohybrid" command. Anybody knows which package do I need to install in order to be able to use the "isohybrid" command?
06:42<larjona>ah got it, seems that I need "syslinux" package
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06:43<itd>judd: file isohybrid
06:43<judd>Search for isohybrid in stretch/amd64: syslinux-utils: usr/bin/isohybrid
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06:43<danielsh>locally: apt-file search isohybrid
06:43<larjona>thanks
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06:45<treaki__>thebouzouker first test hardware (apt-get remove pulseaudio), use alsamixer, speaker_test and such programms to test if and how you can output that, if that is working you can reinstall pulseudio
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06:45<treaki__>i guess you have to re oot or killall pulseaudio after uninstall
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06:47<treaki__>speaker-test and alsamixer are in package alsa-utils
06:47<thebouzouker>i have done all this Treaki__
06:48<thebouzouker>i still dont have sound
06:48<thebouzouker>maybe i need to install Jack ?
06:48<treaki__>ok, could you find things about support of your hardware using linux kernel in any other source?
06:49<treaki__>if you do have no hardware support it dosent matter what soundserver (jackd/ pulse) you install, it wount work
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06:50<treaki__>its like your speakers arent connected propably to your amplifyer and you are trying to fix that by switching from audio cd source to radio source or putting a mixer console before your amplifier...
06:51<treaki__>youll never get sound if the amplifier can get signals to the speaker, and if you have pulse or jack wich are building up to the alsa interface it wount work as well
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06:51<thebouzouker>can we go step by sdtep?
06:51<thebouzouker>step
06:52<thebouzouker>all my connections are working fine in windows. i have already used this setup. but i know that things are different in Linux
06:53<thebouzouker>so what should i do
06:53<thebouzouker>Maybe remove all sound modules and start from the beggining?
06:54<treaki__>first start alsamixer. see if you can select your soundcard using key s and check if there are any switches or levers that can provide you an output..
06:55<treaki__>its seams to be a very complex device, here is an artikel about it: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7024\
06:55<thebouzouker>i can select it yes
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06:56<treaki__>all what i have used yet where basic onboard soundcards or an old soundblaster...
06:56<treaki__>so maybe you should ask at #alsa on freenode or so...
06:57<thebouzouker>i see. this is a pro soundcard full of optical ins and outs up to 52 channels realtime
06:57<aidalgol>What's the Qt5 dev package?
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06:58<treaki__>btw, could it be that you can see under dmesg that your card is initialisated or maybe its kernel module is asking for some firmware or so...
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06:59<treaki__>aidalgol, i would guess the package that enables you to develop/compile software for the qt5 platform
06:59<thebouzouker>Its first time i am using Debian so you see that i am having a hard time
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06:59<aidalgol>Sorry, I mean I'm trying to find the package for building qt5 apps.
07:00<aidalgol>I was expecting to find something like libqt5-dev
07:00<thebouzouker>i have all alsa tool for this Rme card. I am choosing the right i am sure. But it doesnt start
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07:01<thebouzouker>i see HdspConf , HdspMixer and all of that
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07:02<treaki__>do you have installed alsa nonfree firmware?
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07:02<thebouzouker>I DONT THINK SO
07:03<thebouzouker>how do i do that?
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07:03<treaki__>or again, please paste all soundcard related (or just all) from dmesg so we can check
07:04<treaki__>check that you have nonfree package repositorys (written after main in your /etc/apt/sources.list)
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07:05<treaki__>check if the firmware requiered is in one of the packages there, install it or otherwise you have to download it manually and copy it into the requiered directory
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07:06<thebouzouker>yes i have done that. i have Contrib Non-Free after every Main
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07:07<treaki__>im sorry, my english isnt as good that i can explain it any better, if i would sit infront of your system i would sure be able to do some stuff with my debian / gnu/linux expiriences to get it working
07:07<treaki__>...
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07:07<treaki__>good
07:08<thebouzouker>is there any teamviewer like soft?
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07:08<treaki__>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rme+firmware&searchon=all&suite=stable§ion=all
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07:09<treaki__>i cant find anything with firmware and rme
07:09<treaki__>teamviewer is working on debian
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07:09<treaki__>its just not very secure (bad privacy statement and so)
07:10<treaki__>download https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_i386.tar.xz extract it and start it
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07:11<treaki__>or use the package if you would like (what you shouldnt) that its get root access and starts every time you boot up...
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07:12<treaki__>youll need multiarch support if you are on amd64...
07:14*treaki__ is missing an as easy as teamviewer to use (get unique id whitout related to ip address, connects through firewalls) remote support software that is open source...
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07:19<treaki__>but also ill have to go now ;(
07:19<treaki__>with you good look with your problem
07:20<thebouzouker>thnks
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07:21<aidalgol>reportbug on my stretch system is saying that any value for -u that I try other than "text" is invalid
07:24<bremner>,bootcamp
07:24<bremner>oops, wrong channel
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07:24<itd>aidalgol: Maybe you need to install some of the suggested dependencies.
07:24<kab>Hi, I have a question regarding a certain behavior of systemctl that appears to have changed with Stretch (Possibly due to a change in the package, but I'm not sure). When running `systemctl -q is-enabled squid` it prints "Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install is-enabled squid" on stderr despite the "-q" flag due to squid using legacy init scripts. That wasn't the case on Jessie. The
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07:24<kab>question is whether this behavior is considered to be a bug.
07:24<aidalgol>oh, I seem to be missing the optional deps
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07:25<aidalgol>yeah, that was it
07:26<kab>Sadly it causes thousands of mails being generated on our end because a script is executing that in a cronjob. I fixed the problem on our end using a dirty workaround, but I fear that might backfire due to diagnostic messages being no longer send should the script in question encounter issues along the way.
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07:27<bremner>kab: if you don't get an answer here, try #debian-systemd
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07:29<kab>That channel wasn't mentioned on the wiki page, but yeah that seems like a good idea
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07:29<bremner>fwiw that behaviour is the same in systemd 233-9 (testing)
07:29<kab>Will wait for a couple of minutes anyway. IRC is usually /slow/ ;)
07:30<debuser99>my stretch upgrade is totally messed up after the interruption by choosing no to the question "your nvidia card is no longer supported do you want to continue to install.
07:31<debuser99>still trying to fix it. now I understand why its so difficult to recovery from a interrupted installation ...
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07:45<pipedream>Is polkit the right way to supress normal users doing shutdown/restart/suspend/hibernate? This is not working https://paste.debian.net/973339/
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08:17<thebouzouker>is there any way to increase the delay?
08:17<thebouzouker>i am using pulseaudio and hdspmixer
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09:40<thebouzouker>i managed to make Rme 9652 work by completely removing pulse
09:40<thebouzouker>i then typed install alsa-tools-gui
09:41<thebouzouker>and then you can here sound. the thing is thats it makes crackles
09:41<thebouzouker>does anyone knows how to fix this?
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09:51<zhangxun>openvpn is very slow....
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09:57<duclicsic>zhangxun: is that just an observation or are you looking for assistance?
09:58<duclicsic>i'd start by suggesting you make sure you're using UDP transport, and try lowering the MTU on the tunnel
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10:00<JesusMaria>Hey dear people, Is it possible to make Linux interpret *.lnk files in an USB-vfat-harddisk as Links? And is it possible swomehow to create them in Debian?
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10:02<JesusMaria>I mean folder links.
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10:30<Maria>Hey dear people, is it possible to make Debian interpret and use Windows *.lnk files to directories or files on an USB-vfat-Harddisk as actual links?
10:31<Maria>I found liblnk1 / liblink-utils but it only allowed to show the content of the file and doesn't use it as Links.
10:31<shellclear>chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
10:32<Maria>Is liblnk1 supposed to interpret and use *.lnk files as Links?
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10:33<Maria>I didn't find more info about it.
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10:34<Walex>Maria: the equivalent of link files in GNU/Linux is '.desktop' files. They are not at all like symbolic or hard links.
10:35<bremner>Maria: you might want the package liblnk-utils
10:35<bremner>although that suggests it's only read-only
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10:35<virginia>Good morning.
10:36<Walex>Maria: as such they are ignored by the kernel. Some applications may look into them, just as they look into '.desktop' files, and "execute" them.
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10:36<zhangxun>where can i download libfontconfig.so.1 share library?
10:36<virginia>I don't have a default browser configured. In the gnome default applications window, the dropdown menu is grayed out.
10:37<narcan>zhangxun: libfontconfig1
10:37<zhangxun>jelly/
10:37<virginia>I have Chromium and the Tor Browser installed. I would like the first to be the default.
10:37<virginia>Also,
10:38<bremner>zhangxun: install linbfontconfig1
10:38<bremner>s/linb/lib/
10:38<virginia>When I use the xdg-open command to access an URL,
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10:39<virginia>say, "xdg-open https://duckduckgo.com",
10:39<Walex>virginia: "default browser" is not a well defined concept, depends on contet.
10:39<Walex>virginia: "default browser" is not a well defined concept, depends on context
10:39<virginia>It opens my text editor, gedit, with its html.
10:40<Walex>virginia: some desktop environments have a notion of "default browser", some not, and just associate URL schemes or mime types with whichever application.
10:40<virginia>Walex: Is there a way I could set it up for xdg-open to use Chromium?
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10:41<Maria>Walex and bremner: thanks - liblnk1 and liblnk-utils are both installed, harddisk is read-&writeable, liblnk-utils seems to only contain lnkinfo which displays the info inside the *.lnk-file but doesn't use them - is it possible to tell bash or dolphin etc. to interpret these files correctly (or even write those files)?
10:41<bremner>dunno
10:41<Walex>virginia: yes, depending on URL-scheme and filetype, but the situation is more complicated than that.
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10:41<Walex>Maria: send patches :-)
10:42<zhangxun>bremner: how to @someone?
10:42<bremner>zhangxun: just like I just did
10:42<bremner>and you did too.
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10:42<zhangxun>just type the name after :?
10:42<Walex>virginia: also there is the Debian 'sensible-browser'
10:42<bremner>zhangxun: before :
10:42<bremner>zhangxun: at the beginning of the line, ideally
10:43<zhangxun>:zhangxun
10:43<virginia>Walex: Yes with that option Chromium opens.
10:43<zhangxun>:bremner
10:43<Maria>Walex: I really would if I could ... coding unluckily is not one my skills, I rather try to humbly be an informed active user, writing friendly bug reports and wishlists... :)
10:43<Walex>zhangxun: messages in a channel are addressed to the channel, the "nickname:" is just a convention to attract the attention of someone, if they have highlighting on.
10:43<virginia>But this dropbox application, for example, I belive uses xdg-open to call a browser.
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10:44<Walex>zhangxun: if you want to send a message to someone specifically and privately, use '/msg', but only after asking
10:44<zhangxun>libfontconfig1 this library i have installed, still can not found
10:44<virginia>Walex: Because it has the same behaviour, of calling the text-editor.
10:44<Walex>virginia: as I was saying it is complicated, and it takes time to type all the cases.
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10:44<Walex>virginia: so please be patient.
10:46<virginia>Walex: Cool, take your time. Thanks for helping me, by the way.
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10:47<Walex>virginia: so the first option is 'sensible-browser', which is Debian specific, and that chooses 'gnome-www-browser', 'x-www-browser' or 'www-browser' which are set by the "alternatives" mechanism.
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10:49<Walex>virginia: for MIME associations trhere is '/etc/mailcap', which is mostly obselete, and the mechanism used by 'xdg-mime' and under Debian that is also updated centrally by 'update-mime' and 'update-mime-database', which also use "$HOME/.local/share/mime/" files.
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10:50<Walex>virginia: finally as I already mentioned some desktop environments have a notion of "default browser" which is quite independent of all that.
10:50<nick>Hi! I have a fresh install of debian stretch from the netinstall, how do I install terminology? it used to install with apt-get install terminology, but now the package is not found
10:51<Walex>virginia: most desktop environments have a GUI editor for MIME overrides to go into "$HOME/.local/share/mime/".
10:51<bremner>nick: looks like it got dropped from stretch. perhaps there will be a backport eventually
10:51<somiaj>,v terminology
10:51<judd>Package: terminology on amd64 -- jessie: 0.7.0-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.7.0-1+deb8u1; sid: 0.9.1-1; experimental: 1.0.0-1
10:51<Walex>nick: if 'apt-cache search terminology' does not return anything, you can volunteer to be the new maintainer :-)
10:52<bremner>nothing so drastic, looks like it just missed the freeze
10:52<Walex>but "somiaj" showed us that someones has put it into "experimental" already
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10:52<somiaj>Walex: that happened during the freeze, though I coudln't find any specific reason why it was removed in stretch.
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10:53<nick>apt-cache search doesn't show anything, but I guess i should just wait a bit and it'll make it to stable repo's?
10:53<piper>nick: you talking about enlightenment terminology it's in sid, experimental, jessie (oldstable)
10:53<nick>yes I am
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10:53<somiaj>nick: I can't find a bug report that says why it was removed, the best I could find was this. Migration status: BLOCKED: Rejected/introduces a regression (please see below)
10:54<somiaj>nick: there was some bug in the package in stretch that wasn't being fixed so it was removed to release stretch. That package is not available in stretch and you'll have to either compile it yourself or maybe it will be introduced in stretch-backports in the future.
10:54<piper>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/terminology
10:54<blast007>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=848370
10:54<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/848370 in terminology (closed): «terminology crashes when creating new tab»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-12-16; last modified: 2017-01-15.
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10:55<nick>ok, thanks a bunch guys! I can find a different terminal for now
10:55<somiaj>yea, looks like the timing of the freeze and other packages required by terminology prevented it from stabliazing with stretch.
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10:57<bighornram>debian stable, gnome. What is the current method to change permissions of usb jump drives and multimedia chips so all users can use them? I can manually mount them but would like to set this permanently. I've tried creating a udev usb rule and editing fstab but no luck.
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10:59<somiaj>bighornram: what do you mean by change permissions? Are these thumb drives mounting automatically? What file system is on the drive?
10:59<bighornram>vfat
10:59<somiaj>so the auto mount is working, but it isn't assinging the uid/gid to the user that is running at the time?
11:00<somiaj>I'm unsure what automount tool you are using, but if the drive is being auto mounted, but permissions are not being set up correclty, check the automount tool
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11:01<bighornram>correct the permissions are not correct. When trying to open in nautilus I get an error box location cannot be displayed, I don't have sufficient permissions. How do I access automount tool?
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11:03<somiaj>bighornram: I don't use such automount tools, I do everything manually, so I couldn't say where to look. But it isn't udev.
11:03<somiaj>or fstab, neither of those are what you want.
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11:04<somiaj>if using gnome, it says nautilus handels the autmounting, maybe check system -> preferences under nautilus
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11:04<bighornram>thank you,
11:05<somiaj>this also may work, again this si more for ubuntu and I don't use it so I can't verify. Go to System->Administration->User and Groups, choose the user, click on
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11:05<somiaj>"Properties", then go to the "User Privileges" tab. You should have the
11:05<somiaj>"Access external storage devices automatically" option
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11:26<bighornram>somiaj: this option is already checked.
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11:29<somiaj>bighornram: hmm, I'm unsure why permsisions of a vfat drive are not being setup correctly. Are you sure it is vfat and not ext4?
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12:08<bighornram>somiaj: solved! The drive was automounting under /media/user/. Deleted my username from /media and rebooted. Changing permissions on the device name was not sufficient since it was mounting under the username too. Deleting and rebooting caused it to re-add the username to /mount with correct permissions. (apparently). Saw this in a reply to a post. Worked for me. Thanks for your help.
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12:13<grawity>so I installed Debian with Xfce, now how do I remove a single xfce package without apt garbage-collecting the rest of it?
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12:15<Brigo>grawity, afaik you can't
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12:16<itd>grawity: 'apt-mark manual' what you want to keep should prevent autoremoval.
12:16<grawity>I see
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12:17<fredharge>Hello, can somebody help me with a issue related to debian? I just search everything, I feel sick and tired; need to took klonopin to avoid my breakdown
12:17<itd>dpkg: ask
12:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:19<fredharge>I just cant make keyboard and mouse to work after boot. I'm running kali. I did the iommu setup in bios and grub.
12:19<fredharge>Still... Nothing.
12:19<itd>dpkg: kali
12:19<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
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12:19<fredharge>Can a human talk with me?
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12:20<towo`>fredharge, this is not the kali channel
12:20<itd>fredharge: We are all Debian robots, no Kali humans, sorry. :)
12:21<fredharge>towo`, yeah, but I sure the problem is related to debian file-system. And, cmon, as I said, you guys know more than I am. Can I at least specify my problem here?
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12:22<itd>dpkg: based on debian
12:22<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
12:22<fredharge>(sorry for lame english, not my native language and just took a benzo)
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12:23<fredharge>ok then, thanks anyway. Apathy will ruin our existence someday...
12:24<itd>fredharge: Good luck.
12:24<fredharge>(itd): Sure I'll need.
12:25<fredharge>freenode servers doesnt work
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12:26<bremner>fredharge: I'm logged into freenode right now
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12:28<fredharge>[bremner]: I was using "server.freenode". Hope some merciful soul help me there :D
12:28<bremner>uh. well. try "irc.freenode.net"
12:29<bremner>or chat.freenode.net
12:30<fredharge>i tried - with success - with irc.freenode.
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12:31<grawity>surely freenode is not so rich as to buy a TLD of their own
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13:08<fredharge>Its not kali related. Can anyone tell how the fuck I purge every goddamn driver? nouveau, nvidia, bumblebee, et caterva? Just need the command line.
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13:08<fredharge>thanks in advance.
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13:09<blast007>but you're running kali so it is kali related
13:09<blast007>ask them
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13:12<fredharge>[blast007]: google petitio principii.
13:13<blast007>sorry, I don't take requests
13:13<fredharge>go fuck yourself then, retard.
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13:14<bremner>that's also a request
13:14<spacebug^>:)
13:15<towo`>nice try to get help
13:15<towo`>but nvm, kali != debian and kali has it's own irc-chan
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13:17<fredharge>the people there are more retarded than here. thank fucking god I have the universal denominator of humankind: money.
13:17<fredharge>better pay some of you aspergers to fix this crap for me
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13:17<fredharge>for now, fuck you all
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13:18<blast007>!next
13:18<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
13:18<spacebug^>haha
13:18<annadane>i will specifically go out of my way to not answer his question the next time he comes in here looking for "help"
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13:43<uniqdom>hello, I'm installing Stretch, I'm choosing the software to install. it shows: Debian desktop enviroment, ... GNOME, ... Xfce, ... KDE, ... Cinnamon, ... MATE, ... LXDE. I want Cinnamon so i have selected that one. should i also select Debian desktop enviroment?
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13:44<futune_>uniqdom, select only cinnamon
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13:46<BrainError404>How can I use tesseract for recognizing non latin alphabets as ucrainian or greek?
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13:46<uniqdom>ok thanks. Debian desktop environment was the default. what is that installing? does it come with GNOME?
13:47<BrainError404>uniqdom: Yes the default de is gnome
13:47<uniqdom>ok thanks
13:47<annadane>if you check both debian desktop environment and cinnamon you should only get cinnamon
13:48<annadane>it's a little confusing
13:48<dboles>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=125037
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13:49<dboles>basically, scroll down to the post by Wheelerof4te
13:49<annadane>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=595087&sid=13c64f82b9f577c01523c782cec4bf26#p595087
13:49<dboles>thanks, forgot the post icon works as a permlink on phpbb
13:50<dboles>heh, now people are arguing with the post we linked to. what a mess. i might guess that no one really knows
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13:52<annadane>"3. If you want some other GUI and not GNOME 3, check DE that you want to install, but UNcheck ''Debian desktop environment''. You don't need that, since you already have selected DE to be installed."
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13:52<annadane>uhhhhhh
13:52<annadane>god that's a mess
13:53<gradient>hi all! when i try stop service, its continues to work, how i can stop service?
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13:54<annadane>dboles, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=596254#p596254
13:54<annadane>gradient, which service and how did you stop it?
13:54<annadane>but yeah, people are arguing about it
13:55<gradient>annadane: i tried "service prosody stop"
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13:55<gradient>annadane: but server is still working...
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13:58<annadane>yeah, i'm not sure how to do this, someone else might
13:58<annadane>it depends on the service, there might be something making it auto restart
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14:19<Walex>BrainError404: read carefully https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OCR
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14:52<lwp>Thanks to some wise advice at #debian-next I already updated my Skylake CPU microcode. Today I see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/06/msg00308.html which makes me glad I did so. My question is this: the referenced debian wiki suggests also updating the BIOS/UEFI blob as well. SHould I do this too ?
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15:05<itd>gradient: As which user did you execute 'service prosody stop'? Was there any output? How did you determine that the service is still running?
15:06<gradient>itd: as root. it is still running because my xmpp client can still establish connection
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15:07<petn-randall>lwp: It's always recommended to run the most recent BIOS/UEFI update. But it's entirely up to the manufacturer if they provide updates or not.
15:07<gradient>itd: still can*
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15:07<gradient>itd: no outputs there
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15:12<lwp>petn-randall: Dell offers me a version 2.3.2 Dmesg shows current version is 1.3.6 Thanks, I'll download the blob and install it next time I reboot.
15:12<itd>gradient: IIRC I successfully used 'systemctl stop prosody'. You could also try 'prosodyctl stop' but that seems to cause bug #855158.
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15:12<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/855158 in prosody (open): «prosodyctl error while stopping service: attempt to index global 'socket' (a nil value)»; severity: minor; opened: 2017-02-14; last modified: 2017-06-21.
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15:13<gradient>judd: oh, thx
15:13<virginia>I'm having a problem with my Debian in which when I click links, like those just above, they get opened in my text editor.
15:14<virginia>Just the html code.
15:15<virginia>At gnome settings, no browser is set as the default, and the dropdown menu related to it is grayed out.
15:15<virginia>I have the Tor Browser and Chromium installed.
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15:17<itd>virginia: Does the file '~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list' exist? If yes, could you please paste it on paste.debian.net.
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15:19<virginia>itd: It doesn't exist.
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15:28<gheorghe>@walex i am still curious why u think baremetal is better then virtualisation, but i think we should move this to #debian-offtopic :D
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15:54<osman>i need quick help. my fn keys won't work with my notebook. i just want to adjust brightness. how may i able to do that ?
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16:12<itd> virginia: I'm sorry, but I'm not that familiar with gnome. I think your idea of trying to use the GUI is the way to go. I don't know why the dropdown menu is grayed out.
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16:13<jhutchins> Gnome probably doesn't recognie chromium or tor as valid browsers.
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16:15<jhutchins>vir you could try setting x-www-browser in alternatives.
16:15<jhutchins>virginia: ^
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16:23<virginia>jhutchins: I have two Debians, one of them currently recognizes Chromium, though not the Tor Browser. But I don't know why is that.
16:24<virginia>using x-www-browser through the terminal does call Chromium.
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16:25<virginia>jhutchins: How would I go about setting x-www-browser as the default?
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16:26<kion>osman I use the program xbacklight in the following way 'xbacklight -set 100' for 100 % and so on...
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16:39<vlad1777d>hello to all. Is there any pypy, which works with python 3, in debian's repos ?
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16:55<gheorghe>that is kind of a strange question. i though debian switched to python 3 as default. didn't it?
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16:55<lwp>,v pypy
16:55<judd>Package: pypy on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.0+dfsg-3; stretch: 5.6.0+dfsg-4; buster: 5.8.0+dfsg-2; sid: 5.8.0+dfsg-2
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16:56<lwp>This stretch pypy says it implements python 2.7
16:56<jhutchins>virginia: Sorry, RL. It sounds like the alternatives system is already set, I guess gnome doesn't use it.
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17:02<imperia>hello. how can I make Videos application play H.264 files. It says I need h.264 decoder
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17:03<jhutchins>virginia: This says there's a gnome specific alternatives setting: https://wiki.debian.org/HOWTO/DefaultWebBrowser
17:03<lwp>pypy 5.8.0+dfsg-2 is also implementing python 2.7
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17:05<jhutchins>imperia: What video player(s) do you have installed?
17:06<imperia>jhutchins: the default one in stretch. called Videos
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17:08<jhutchins>imperia: Perhaps the default in Gnome? Launch it and see what the program actually is.
17:09<imperia>jhutchins: error in journal is: totem[1745]: Missing plugin: gstreamer|1.0|totem|H.264 (High Profile) decoder|decoder-video/x-h264, level=(string)4, profile=(string)high (H.264 (High Profile) decoder)
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17:11<jhutchins>imperia: Then you're using totem. I don't know how totem handles codecs. Either check the totem documentation, google totem h.264, install VLC or MPV, or install totem from deb-multimedia.org
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17:12<jhutchins>Some desktops/distros seem to want to use obscure video players that only work some of the time on some formats. I don't really get why they don't just install one of the ones that Just Works.
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17:14<hendrikL>mh apt search h.264?
17:14<ach>haha
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17:16<itd>imperia: For a decoder try gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad for the encoder gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
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17:17<imperia>itd: looks like i have most of the gstreamer packages already installed
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17:19<itd>imperia: Is the -bad package part of 'most of'?
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17:27<imperia>actually totem can't play any format. mp3, ac3, h264, mpeg4
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17:31<ach>install the format pack
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17:34<box>hi
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17:38<imperia>ach: what is the format pack
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17:38<ach>just do apt-get install vlc
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17:43<imperia>ach: yeah. i know that "solution". just wanted to use the default installed software.
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17:50<awal1>imperia, probably you need more codecs
17:51<awal1>gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
17:51<imperia>awal1: ok. what package to install
17:51<awal1>maybe that
17:52<awal1>,v gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
17:52<judd>Package: gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.2.4-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1.4.4-2+deb8u1; jessie: 1.4.4-2+deb8u1; stretch: 1.10.4-1; sid: 1.12.1-1; buster: 1.12.1-1; stretch-multimedia: 1:1.10.4-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 1:1.12.1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.12.1-dmo1
17:53<awal1>imperia, check ^
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17:58<imperia>awal1: do i have to add deb-multimedia repo first?
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18:01<awal1>imperia, no
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18:02<awal1>imperia, what says apt-cache policy gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
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18:04<imperia>awal1: i am on buster with 1.12.1-1 version installed. apt list | grep gstreamer | grep installed output : https://pastebin.com/KA4gUJJ4
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18:06<Walex>imperia: there is no such thing as "buster" for another couple of years, and if you are using 'testing' etc. archives you should be asking in #Debian-next
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18:09<awal1>imperia, i have no more clue about music stuff,
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18:10<awal1>try opening totem via terminal for play say mp4 and paste output
18:10<awal1>you may get more info and help in chsnnel
18:10<awal1>mp3 ^
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18:11<awal1>also you can ask in debian chsnnel on freenode server
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18:15<awal1>imperia, check gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3
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18:24<imperia>awal1: the error is the same for all formats i try. the problem is not just mp3 format. take a look: https://pastebin.com/MLPAY1ck
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18:25<awal1>imperia, i have a very bad internet connection, i can't be helpful , sorry
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18:26<imperia>awal1: ok. thanks for your help. i will try reinstall back to stretch.
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18:27<dodo>Hi guys... what's the best practice? use thunderbird/firefox from the repositories or use the newest versions from mozilla.org?
18:30<dvs>dodo, I'd use the versions from the repos because, for firefox at least, it is the latest long term release version.
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18:32<dodo>Why would you want a long term release? sorry, but is just that i don't get it. A browser is not like an OS.
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18:34<dieki># pentaho
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18:35<dieki>hello
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18:45<awal1>dodo, dd's and dm's ensure that all is working smoothly
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18:50<bremner>actually, a browser really is like an OS
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18:53<dodo>ok, I will keep the version from the repos
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20:26<rob_debian>Hi all! Please, according to a technically-oriented Debian experience, how much planning time is recommended to make a good upgrade for a beginner and mid-level user?
20:26<rob_debian>should be from jessie 8.8 to stretch 9.0
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20:30<dvs>rob_debian, read the release notes for planning. I'd expect about an hour for the upgrade.
20:32<rob_debian>hi dvs, I will, but first of all I ought to perform a full backup. I refer about planning, dvs, I will read the release for the complete procedures but would like to have this information first of all
20:34<dvs>only you know your setup.
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20:41<rob_debian>have you already upgraded your debian to stretch 9.0, dvs ? in your case, how much time did you spend on planning ?
20:41<rob_debian>not the upgrade itself, but just planning
20:42<dvs>rob_debian, I read the release notes
20:42<rob_debian>sure ! I will do the same ! that's not about my question...bye
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20:52<annadane>at what times of day does debian check the mirrors for updates?
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20:53<dvs>annadane, I'm guessing 0:00UTC
20:54<rjsalts>annadane: It's in /etc/cron.daily, so whatever it says in /etc/crontab with the test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) bit
20:54<rjsalts>annadane: 6 25 is the default afaik
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20:55<rjsalts>annadane: however there is a random sleep in there so all hosts don't hit mirrors at the same time
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20:55<annadane>rjsalts, so the test is "-x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )"?
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20:56<rjsalts>annadane: no, /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat does the check for updates, however that is invoked by crontab as defined in /etc/crontab
20:57<annadane>rjsalts, ah, i thought you were giving me a command to run to check
20:57<rjsalts>annadane: look in /etc/crontab for the schedule of when it runs all the scripts in /etc/cron.daily
20:57<rjsalts>annadane: you also need to turn it on, I'm pretty sure it's not done by default
20:58<annadane>rjsalts, i don't have /etc/crontab
20:58<annadane>i do get a thing in my taskbar when there are updates, via the program discover
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21:00<rjsalts>annadane: you would have that file is the cron package was installed, I was under the impression that it was part of the base install, but it's not an essential package
21:00<rjsalts>annadane: if, not is
21:01<annadane>"i logrotate Depends cron | anacron | cron-daemon"
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21:04<lwp>annadane: It is probably running from /etc/anacrontab
21:04<annadane>lwp, no /etc/anacrontab either
21:05<danielsh>you can just check syslog for when it run the last few times
21:05<danielsh>ran*
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21:13<lwp>Also, see: ls -al /etc/cron*
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21:28<annadane>i was also a bit stupid and neglected to mention i'm on testing so things may be different there
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21:31<danielsh>you mean, buster? then ask on #debian-next
21:31<tomg2>hi annadane
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21:31<tomg2>dpkg, tell annadane about testing
21:31<annadane>yes, i'm aware
21:31<annadane>it just slipped my mind
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22:27<sillygoose>Hey, I'm trying to do a fresh install of debian but I'm getting a "timer not connected to apic" bug, and my monitor won't display anything. Any help?
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22:55<adoejosalud>Hola
22:56<adoejosalud>¿Quien probo Debian 9?
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23:25<Arcade>Hello: I updated a bug today using #of bug@bugs.debian.org and it seems like the server has yet to reply back that the update was successful in updating the bug
23:28<somiaj>Arcade: did you check bugs.debian.org/number? Maybe there was something wrong with your email that got sent. I just updated a bug and got a reply back fairly quickly
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23:29<danielsh>did you post a message to the bug or did you use control commands on the bug?
23:29<Arcade>somiaj, its not showing up https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865065
23:29<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/865065 in cups (open, moreinfo): «cups: Print Service Not Available -- debian-live-9.0.0-amd64-gnome»; severity: minor; opened: 2017-06-19; last modified: 2017-06-25.
23:30<Arcade>865065@bugs.debian.org
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23:32<somiaj>Arcade: how long ago did you send the email? Could it be an issue with your SMTP server not sending the email?
23:34<Arcade>sending it again with another email alias I will see if it shows up in a few
23:34<Arcade>smtp is gmail so no problem there :)
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23:43<Arcade>still no reply back so idk
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