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01:43<k-man>so i'm going off piste slightly trying to install mssql-server from an ubunto repo, it fails on one dependency: mssql-server : Depends: openssl (<= 1.1.0) but 1.1.0f-3 is to be installed
01:43<k-man>is there some way i can convince apt to ignore that and install it anyway?
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01:44<k-man>i did it in the past by downloading the .deb directly and using dpkg --ignore-deps or similar
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01:53<cryocaustik>hi - I installed debian 9 full install onto a secondary drive, and then put the grub loader onto my main drive where windows was also installed; now when i boot, i get into the gnu grub, am able to select debian, but after that, I see a few lines of code and the screen goes black
01:53<cryocaustik>if I choose windows at the gnu grub menu, it boots windows fine
01:53<cryocaustik>any idea what might be causing this?
01:55<k-man>cryocaustik, what video card do you have?
01:55<k-man>i have a similar issue and its when the kernel switches video mode on my nvidia card
01:55<cryocaustik>msi gtx 970
01:55<k-man>is that nvidia?
01:56<cryocaustik>were you able to get a workaround on your issue?
01:56<k-man>ok, i'm no expert but try this, in grub, append nouveau.modeset=0 to the kernel command line and see if that fixes it
01:56<k-man>you can just edit at boot time once to see if that fixes it.
01:56<k-man>do you know how to do that?
01:57<cryocaustik>how do you save the edits? it seems like all the changes I tried to make in there are reverted
01:57<k-man>cryocaustik, i'ts not hard but just test it out first
01:58<k-man>or you can edit /etc/default/grub
01:58<cryocaustik>you are referring to pressing E while in the gnu grub?
01:58<k-man>and add it to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" bit
01:59<k-man>cryocaustik, yeah, i'd test like that if i was you
01:59<cryocaustik>ok, let me give a try
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02:02<cryocaustik>nope- still getting the same issue after adding that
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02:03<k-man>debian stretch?
02:04<k-man>sorry, i have no more suggestions really
02:04<cryocaustik>no worries; appreciate the help!
02:04<k-man>no worries!
02:04<cryocaustik>will get back to the forums :D
02:04<k-man>ok good luck!
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02:18<kr1shna>hi all, i am trying to verify whether the file formats given at can be opened in libreoffice viewer. (1/3)
02:18<kr1shna>however i cannot find good source to download files and test them. i have downloaded and verified from (2/3)
02:19<kr1shna>i request members to provide information where i can download files or files repository. thank you. (3/3)
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02:39<payam>anyone here?
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03:14<cdesai>Hi, I'm running strech on a laptop which brielfy (read: for 2 days just enough to test) had jessie on it. it's an acer laptop with an elantech touchpad
03:14<cdesai>tap to click did work before on jessie, but hasn't since I did a fresh install of stretch
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03:18<cdesai>by did work I mean there was an option in Xfce's touchpad settings, which doesn't exist right now
03:18<cdesai>I remember having the same problem on a chromebook running sid in a chroot but that had a different touchpad
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03:35<cdesai>and fixed by creating a configuration file for xorg and setting Option "Tapping" "on"
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04:00<pgimeno>In it mentions /etc/adjtime but that file isn't present in my system. How do I tell it that the hardware clock is in UTC?
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04:13<aidalgol>How can I check whether SELinux is doing anything to nginx (as in applying anything strict)?
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04:13<aidalgol>Or any service, really.
04:14<aidalgol>Once I have SELinux switched on, that is.
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04:29<marcus______>hmm, looking at linux-image 4.11.6-1 seems to have migrated to testing on 29/6 but I still didn't get it when apt update && apt upgrade :ing
04:30<marcus______>there's been other packages upgraded, so I _think_ the mirror is alright
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05:07<deb9>hi, does someone know how to install debian 9 on bcache device? (/dev/bcache0)
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07:01<DonyorM>So I need to run a gui program as root through a .desktop file, so I need a prompt for the password (if they have sudo permissions). I would think I should do this with pkexec, but the manpage says doing this is discouraged. What is the best way to run a gui program as root?
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07:03<grawity>what's discouraged is gui programs which require root in the first place
07:03<grawity>as in the whole idea of polkit is privilege separation (having the GUI entirely unprivileged)
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07:05<marcus______>DonyorM: besides, when running under Wayland, it's actually not even possible to run programs as root
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07:10<Quibus>hi, I just upgraded to stretch (upgrade, not dist-upgrade so far) and I get an error with unattended-upgrades. Is that a known problem? I couldn't find ino about it.
07:10<grawity>what error, exactly?
07:11<Quibus>How do I get the messages in English? I've set it on Dutch at the moment
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07:11<Quibus>Failed to start unattended-upgrades.service
07:11<Quibus>"Invalid argument"
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07:11<localhorst>You should completely dist-upgrade your system before you try to track any errors.
07:12<grawity>export LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8", or maybe LC_MESSAGES="C"
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07:12<Quibus>OK, I'll start the dist-upgrade
07:12<localhorst>I don't think any service is supposed to run in a half-upgraded system.
07:13<Quibus>Well, if all dependencies are OK, a half upgraded system should also be a valid system.
07:14<grawity>"half upgraded" generally doesn't result in "all dependencies being OK", does it
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07:15<Quibus>half upgraded in this case only means that some packages are still at older versions, but all packages that were upgraded did have their dependencies also upgraded. So it should be consistent. The only failure was on unattended-upgrades.
07:17<Quibus>Or am I missing some point?
07:19<rudi_s>Quibus: You're right. But still I'd worry about this kind of issues after a full-distupgrade + reboot.
07:20<rudi_s>(However even though the dependencies are correct, that's a state nobody has ever tested. So some issues are to be expected.)
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07:23<Quibus>darn, I'm running out of diskspace
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07:23<rudi_s>Quibus: apt-get clean after apt-get upgrade and before apt-get dist-upgrade?
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07:24<AutisticJewBaby>rudi_s: that's not what your mom said in bed last night!
07:24<AutisticJewBaby>!ops lol dongs
07:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: autisticjewbaby complains about: lol dongs
07:24<AutisticJewBaby>omg the lulz
07:24<Quibus>I'll do that and just redownload everything again then, as I got 80% of the packages for the dist-upgrade already :S
07:24<AutisticJewBaby>i am 1337 h4x0r
07:24<AutisticJewBaby>Quibus: stop ignoring me
07:24<AutisticJewBaby>i am haxx0ring ur pc right now
07:25<AutisticJewBaby>i do it for the lulz
07:25<Quibus>rudi_s: I should have thought about it earlier. Anyway, 11G free now, so I should be OK
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07:26-Autistic-Jew-N1gger:#debian-dongs lol
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07:27<Quibus>Thanks OFTC
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08:47<hubot>make[1]: *** /lib/modules/4.9.24-v7+/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
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08:48<gheorghe>i am trying to get a working VM with a really small footprint for a lamp. i found this article: // however, it's unclear how i can remove all these packages from the installation. can somebody please describe the full process?
08:48<hubot>I'm trying to compile cryptodev package
08:48<bremner>gheorghe: are you looking for a tutorial on how to use apt?
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08:49<bremner>I guess "apt remove packagename" doesn't really need a tutorial.
08:50<gheorghe>bremner, that means i actually have to install the server and after that delete packages? how smart is that? can't you just NOT INSTALL them?
08:50<gheorghe>bremner i don't want to go through the trouble of removing files. they souldn't get installed. just the different languages installed occupy 100MB
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08:52<Wegge>hubot Do you have the build requirements installed. Otherwise apt-get build-dep cryptodev
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08:58<bremner>gheorghe: I don't know how to do what you want; that configuration doesn't really look supportable for end-users.
08:59<bremner>gheorghe: did you do a minimal install and see if those packages are actually installed? I don't think e.g. aptitude is installed by default.
08:59<bremner>maybe it's too strong to say it is unsupportable. I thought it was removing apt.
08:59<gheorghe>bremner i have no ideea what "end-users" means. i will try with the minimal install to controll packages installed. maybe force it some way to not install shit.
09:00<gheorghe>bremner i found some guys doing a "minimal install of debian server" and after install they have 1.1 GB of space for the VM image ...
09:01<rudi_s>gheorghe: deboostrap is quite minimal.
09:01<rudi_s>Not close to 1.1, maybe 200M (but I guess even less).
09:02<bremner>my memory is also closer to 200M
09:02<bremner>even using debian-installer, 1.1G sounds pretty large.
09:03<bremner>do an "expert" install, and don't install any tasks.
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09:08<rudi_s>gheorghe: Just checked it, a minimal debootstrap on Stretch is ~270MiB.
09:09<rudi_s>It won't get much smaller than that (and it still needs a kernel to boot).
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09:09<rudi_s>(Well actually you can save ~40MiB by removing some locales.)
09:10<rudi_s>And there's still the apt-cache in there, so subtract another 50MiB.
09:10<rudi_s>And the apt lists.
09:11<rudi_s>Ok, so a plain deboostrap (with all data, I didn't remove the locales) is ~183M.
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09:11<rudi_s>But if you don't care about docs/locales you can substract about 50MiB.
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09:15<hubot>E: Unable to find a source package for cryptodev
09:16<themill>there's no package called that
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09:17<hubot>I installed linux header but it's nothing help
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09:18<blast007>gheorghe: also, it is possible to compact/shrink virtual hard drive images. dynamically allocated virtual hard drives typically do not automatically shrink, only grow. the process is generally zeroing out the free space (with the zerofree package on Linux) and then shutting down the VM and running some command to shrink the vdisk.
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09:24<gheorghe>blast007 thin provisioned virtual disks don't have zeros. the hypervisor takes care of that
09:24<gheorghe>rudi_s i am trying that
09:26<gheorghe>rudi_s debootstrap chroots a different debian install from what i see. it's not a KVM VM
09:26<rudi_s>blast007: TRIM is the proper way to do that.
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09:27<rudi_s>gheorghe: What do you mean? deboostrap install a minimal debian, that's unrelated to KVM VM?
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09:27<rudi_s>But with deboostrap you won't get a bootable system, you have to handle the bootloader, kernel, network config on your own. But it's possibly smaller.
09:28<rudi_s>Or do what brem<tab> suggested, use the netinstall in expert mode and don't select any tasks.
09:28<gheorghe>rudi_s i need it to be a VM within KVM. it will get migrated in front of probably 1000 people. since the demo has no shared storage, all the data will get transfered through a router. that's why it's great if the base system is under 400MB, since it will have a LAMP on top too :D
09:29<rudi_s>gheorghe: If you want the quickest results, use the netinstaller.
09:29<gheorghe>i am trying the net installer atm
09:30<gheorghe>rusi_s the live migration should take a few secconds, if possible. with a good router and SSDs you will get that close to 20s with a normal debian/ubuntu server install. but that is 1.3 GB with LAMP :)
09:31<gheorghe>so if I get that down to 500 MB, i should get the live migration under 10s
09:32<gheorghe>all my problems would be solved if LXD knew how to migrate VMs that have a bridged network card. but NO! with lxd, you can migrate only containers with bridge so when you do migrate, all your active TCP sessions get interrupted and you need to redirect traffic to the new host
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09:38<oasis>I need help debug. this error : 14:04:07 obione kernel: [ 2404.450023] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#2 stuck for 23s! [sd-resolve:553]
09:38<oasis>Can you help me ?
09:39<hubot>cannot access /lib/modules/4.9.24-v7+/build: No such file or directory
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09:41<themill>hubot: that doesn't look like a Debian kernel
09:43<oasis>my version is : Linux version 4.9.0-3-amd64 ( (gcc version 6.3.0 20170516 (Debian 6.3.0-18) ) #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u2 (2017-06-26)
09:44<oasis>my CPU is amd ryzen 1500x
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09:46<MarkedOne>Hello good ppl, is there difference between deb jessie/updates main and deb jessie-updates main? Im not sure why I have it and if i need both of them.
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09:48<mtn>MarkedOne, yes there is a difference and yes, you need both
09:49<dpkg>On Debian 8 "Jessie" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "jessie/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "jessie-updates" which is other updated packages (see <jessie-updates>). See also <sources.list>.
09:51<MarkedOne>mtn: I am planning to migrate to stretch, so I will rewrite jessie word into stretch and leave everytning as is.
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09:52<mtn>MarkedOne, those will have to be changed, too
09:53<mtn>MarkedOne, I see what you mean. yes, that should work ok
09:53<MarkedOne>mtn: THank you
09:53<mtn>MarkedOne, make sure to read the release notes
09:54<MarkedOne>mtn: Reading right now.. i am worring about jessie-backports..
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09:58<bremner>what is your worry?
09:58<bremner>you don't need jessie-backports in stretch, because newer versions will be stretch
09:59<MarkedOne>nvidia optimus (dedicated nvidia card) nouveau not working with bumblebee and thus i need nvidia driver
10:00<MarkedOne>but if backports is stretch then all should be good right?
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10:02<MarkedOne>Or maybe I should take a look what i had installed from backports :D
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10:06<bremner>yes, the same upstream version (375.66) of nvidia-driver is available in stretch as in jessie-backports
10:07<MarkedOne>So i should just remove jessie-backport and leave only stretch main contrib-nonfree right?
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10:13<MarkedOne>bremner: Seems easy enough.. Just one last question.. I have Java7 instaled from jessie and Java8 installed from backports.. will this be also automaticly resolved?
10:14<MarkedOne>Becouse when I write aptitude.. press g. I have packages being held back and it is Java
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10:14<bremner>I think openjdk-7 is not in stretch
10:14<bremner>judd: versions openjdk-7-jdk
10:14<judd>Package: openjdk-7-jdk on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u95-2.6.4-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 7u131-2.6.9-2~deb7u1; jessie-security: 7u131-2.6.9-2~deb8u1; experimental: 7u131-2.6.9-3
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10:15<themill>it's highly likely that a dependency would bring in openjdk-8, however
10:15<bremner>well, if you have it from backports, it should still be there in stretch
10:16<MarkedOne>bremner: Cool.. but can you help me that "held back" I dont want it :)
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10:17<bremner>do you have some pinning?
10:17<bremner>can you just delete openjdk-7 ?
10:18<MarkedOne>bremner: yes I can delete openjdk-7 And I dont know if I have pinning
10:18<bremner>ok, I'd suggest just deleting it then.
10:19<MarkedOne>I instaled jdk7 as default.. and added jdk8 and commands works when I type java it wil run 7 when I type java8 it will run 8.
10:19<MarkedOne>I did it long ago.. and forgot what exactly :D
10:21<gheorghe>bremner speaking of small footprint: i downloaded the raw image from ubuntu core for KVM. i was happy to see it has 400 MB ... but than i uncompressed and it has 3.7 GB now. :)))
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10:28<MPT>alguem do BR
10:28<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:31<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:45<MarkedOne>I didnt make it to get rid of java.. pls look here
10:46<MarkedOne>it is automatically instaled by libreoffice and i dont want to uninstall libreoffice
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10:49<MarkedOne>openjdk-8-jre-headless is held back conflict in certificate
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10:52<amacater>oasis: That is a _very_ new chip: install firmware-linux nonfree and firmware-misc-nonfree as a start. Make sure your BIOS is as up to date as possible
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11:02<KotH>long long ago, i installed some packages using apt-get install -t sid xxx
11:03<KotH>now apt-get upgrade still upgrades them from sid
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11:03<KotH>i would like to have them from my default repo now, but i cannot figure out where this information is stored or how to change it
11:03<KotH>would someone be so kind and give me a hint where to look
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11:04<mtn>KotH, do you have sid in your sources.list? if so, remove the sid line/s
11:05<KotH>mtn: yes
11:06<KotH>mtn: i still have some packages that i'd like to come from sid, like virtualbox
11:06<KotH>mtn: yes, i have proper pining for the different sources
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11:08<KotH>i already went through /var/lib/apt and /var/lib/dpkg, but cannot find any file where this information is stored
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11:12<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
11:13<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
11:16<MarkedOne>Oh no.. The upgrade process for some previous releases recommended the use of aptitude for the upgrade. This tool is not recommended for upgrades from jessie to stretch.
11:17<MarkedOne>I get uset to aptitude.. I like it more as apt-get
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11:19<bremner>well, the upgrade is basically one command, then you can go back to using aptitude
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11:27<MarkedOne>bremner: I thought that when I use apt-get, aptitude wont know about changes and mess things up
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11:27<bremner>it's mostly fine these days
11:28<MarkedOne>oh thanks.. i will do as you say..
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11:30<KotH>blast007: i have been using frankendebian for 17 years... i think i can handle it
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11:55<Georgis>hi averybody
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12:08<paine>I would like to call a command and have it run in the background, without having a terminal open for it.
12:08<paine>In this case, the command is "python ~zeronet/ZeroNet-master/"
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12:08<paine>Is that possible?
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12:09<awal1>try python ~zeronet/ZeroNet-master/ & exit
12:10<awal1>paine ^
12:11<paine>Thanks awal1, that worked!
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12:12<paine>One other think, is it possible to have this command be run automatically at login?
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12:14<awal1>add it to your autostart/startup file of your WM, or to startup apps if DE
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12:14<awal1>as follow python ~zeronet/ZeroNet-master/ &
12:15<paine>Oh, so that "&" by the end will keep it running?
12:15<awal1>not sure if DE neeeds &
12:16<awal1>& backgrounds process
12:16<paine>awal1: I'm using GNOME, I've tried before using a .desktop file with just "python ~zeronet/ZeroNet-master/" under EXEC=, it didn't work.
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12:17<paine>awal1: Let's try with the "&" now.
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12:17<dboles>i used use a systemd service for things like this in the past, but maybe that's heavy-handed
12:18<awal1>i run wm's, not sure how gnome and other DE's handles processes at startup
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12:20<awal1>gnome should have startup applications in system settings. just add your command there
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12:21<paine>It worked awal1. Thanks again.
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12:45<cpdev>hello everyone. i was on here last night trying to solve an issue with my Debian install and eventually deduced it down to a bad ISO image. i was told to go make a new bootable drive, but the only computer i have access to at the moment (other than what I am trying to install debian on) is a very old iMac that can barely do anything. i was told that running the terminal command “dd if=debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/disk1 bs=4M;
12:45<cpdev>syn” would make a bootable drive for me. i keep getting errors when putting this command in, starting with “syn” doesn’t exist and then “bs=4M” is an illegal amount (?). could anyone on here be of help?
12:46<cpdev>i have also tried formatting the drive and using a program to make it bootable but the imac OS cannot format a drive to a FAT32
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12:49<Blacker47>cpdev, it sure should be "sync" and not "syn".
12:50<cpdev>thats probably it. im a noob so i just went with what i was told
12:50<cpdev>let me try it
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12:51<cpdev>now im getting the same "bs" value error saying "dd: bs: illegal numeric value"
12:52<Blacker47>cpdev, for mac-os you may ask mac-aware people or their support. or just find a friend with running linux or windows.
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12:53<cpdev>im currently not with anyone and i don't know anyone that could even help out with this issue. thats why im coming here.
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12:55<grove>cpdev: I agree that you would be better off seeking help from mac-savvy people, but maybe 'bs=4194304' (just translated 4M to bytes) will work
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12:56<Blacker47>cpdev, in any case, you should fully understand what you should put to "of=..." on your machine, so you don't overwrite system or other data not on flashdrive but on internal drive!
12:56<cpdev>i understand where i am putting the data. i checked last time i was on here using a command given to me by another user.
12:57<cpdev>grove: this still gives an illegal numeric value error
12:57<Blacker47>this don't sound like "fully understand" for me.
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12:58<Blacker47>cpdev, if your non-linux os has dd as a utility, then you should at least consider reading the documentation of it.
12:58<Blacker47>it may behave different to "linux-" dd.
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13:02<lluis>i have debian 9 stretch installed and updated and in my lenovo thinkpad e540 randomly when i resume after suspend the fan goes full speed during 8 secons and then system shutdowns :(
13:03<cpdev>blacker47: let me explain what has been happening to me recently. i have been a long time windows user who has decided to switch to Debian Linux. last night, i attempted to install it but could not connect to a mirror. after some testing (with the help of some great people on here) i found out i had a bad installation and needed to make a new boot drive. now i am trying to do just that, but i don't have any programs that could do it for
13:03<cpdev>me and all i have for a computer is this old mac from which i am messaging now. i used the PC i am trying to install on to make the original boot USB, but now I am just trying to get this working as soon as i can. this is why i am on here, just trying different solutions given to me. when i said i fully understand that, i meant i understand the path i am sending the data to. i do not mean i fully understand the process. at the moment i
13:03<cpdev>am without a good functioning computer and stuck with a 2009 imac and i want my PC back so I don't have time to read up on every little bit of documentation. i am following the exact instructions on the link you sent me, but nothing seems to want to work.
13:03<MichaelP>nvida screen tearing with video playback.... /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf .. Option "metamodes" "nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceFullCompositionPipeline = On }" in arch that option is perfect
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13:04<lluis>i want to know which logs to look to search for a fix or reporting the bug because this is a big one
13:04<lluis>(also i have my bios updated at 2.2.4 version)
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13:07<RobertSeven[m]>Hi, is anyone else having problems with public key EF0F382A1A7B6500 even if debian-archive-keyring is installed. I was updating to debian 9 and I am stuck doing apt-get update.
13:07<shell_>how are you michael
13:08<shell_>yes i have a problem
13:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:09<shell_>you know how to damage wifi router
13:09<MichaelP>shell_: i good.... trying to fix nvidia screen tearing uder kde
13:10<annadane>shell_, not sure i understand the question
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13:10<shell_>brother annadane damage router
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13:11<MichaelP>to damage it.. just pick it up and drop it
13:11<annadane>are you the one with the damaged router or you want to damage someone else's router? because hacking isn't really the point of this support channel
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13:12<shell_>only i want to know
13:12<annadane>i give up
13:12<dboles>it's probably not about debian in either case
13:12<shell_>if you know then tell me
13:12<zeta>RobertSeven[m]: what version of the keyring do you have installed?
13:13<dboles>know what? you're making no sense
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13:14<annadane>this is a support channel for debian problems. not a place for seeking information on how to damage routers
13:14<annadane>unless your router is damaged and you use debian and you want to know how to fix it
13:14<MichaelP>fill sink up with water... Drop router in the water.. there is your damage
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13:16<RobertSeven[m]>zeta: 2014.3
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13:19<zeta>RobertSeven[m]: update it to 2017.5~deb8u1 . it should be in the jessie-updates repository
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13:19<zeta>doing so should add the key you're missing
13:19<shell_>error installing fluxion-master in parrot os
13:19<zeta>then you can do the stretch upgrade
13:20<dpkg>Parrot OS ( is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on or try the mailing lists at Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:21<RobertSeven[m]>zeta: ok, I will try
13:21<shell_>why parrot is open source
13:22<dboles>ask in #parrot on or try the mailing lists at
13:24<shell_>what is HexChat
13:24<shell_>is it anonymous
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13:24<dboles>nothing you are asking is on topic for this channel
13:25<dboles>and most of it can be easily found by typing into google instead of here
13:25<shell_>ooh great
13:25<shell_>what is the topic
13:25<annadane>well, the channel is called #debian
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13:26<annadane>!based on linux
13:26<RobertSeven[m]>zeta: that worked, thanks
13:26<annadane>!based on debian
13:26<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
13:27<dboles>the topic here is to discuss using debian, resolving problems, how to do things - it's a support channel, not a general computing chat or something
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13:30<shell_>is debian is vulberable with ransomeware
13:30<annadane>this is a support channel for people having problems
13:30<annadane>please stop talking about these things here
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13:30<annadane>if you must, go to #debian-offtopic
13:30<annadane>(and don't ask support questions in #debian-offtopic)
13:31<shell_>you all are programmers
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13:32<towo`>play elsewhere please
13:32<annadane>no because we've told you not to do this like 5 times now and you still insist on this
13:32<dboles>no, this is a channel for debian users to get support, not programming specific. if you don't have anything on-topic to say, please take your internal monologue somewhere else
13:33<shell_>sorry know i ask only debian question
13:33<towo`>but you haven't debian
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13:33<piper>same guy all the time, always asking about hacking etc
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13:34<annadane>also you are on parrot, not debian
13:34<annadane>which again...
13:34<annadane>!based on debian
13:34<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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13:34<dpkg>Parrot OS ( is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on or try the mailing lists at Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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13:37<shell_>i have problem with in live mode
13:37<shell_>in parrot
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13:37<shell_>its crashed
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13:38<towo`>shell_, ask in a parrot channel
13:38<shell_>where is channel
13:38<towo`>use a searchengine
13:38<dboles>you can't be serious
13:38<dpkg>Parrot OS ( is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on or try the mailing lists at Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:38<dboles>4th time lucky
13:38<towo`>shell_, and please, leave this channel now
13:39<annadane>!ops shell_ insists on being off topic
13:39<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: annadane complains about: shell_ insists on being off topic
13:39-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
13:39-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@] by dondelelcaro
13:39<dboles>because you're being so off-topic and ignorant of what people keep telling you that it's hard to believe you're not doing it on purpose as a form of trolling
13:39-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
13:39<dondelelcaro>shell_: this channel is #debian, and is for Debian support, not parrot support
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13:50<sandman>How can I get grub customizer? I try to add PPA's but says no trusted keys found.
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13:51<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
13:52<piper>Sandman_I: ↑↑
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13:54<piper>Sandman_I: you can customize grub by hand, backgrounds, etc, not that hard to do
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13:57<annadane>apt-get install pretty-sparkles-in-grub
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14:01<beparaso>I need us and lt language in tty, when I added us,lt in file /etc/default/keyboard from lt language I see just some letters others are cubes . How to fix this?
14:01<beparaso>no X installed
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14:05<piper>beparaso: does this help you at all
14:06<beparaso>I did all by this page and nothing
14:07<beparaso>I can change in lt from us but some letters cubes...
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14:07<beparaso>and some are lt correct
14:08<itd>beparaso: Sounds like your terminal font is missing some symbols (and uses "cubes" to indicate that).
14:08<beparaso>but not all of them
14:08<dboles>Try using a different font
14:08<dboles>any with Unicode or such in the name are a good bet
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14:08<beparaso>OK how to do that?
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14:09<dboles>no one can possibly say without knowing what terminal you are using
14:09<dboles>but chances are it has a Preferences menu item somewhere
14:09<beparaso>no X
14:10<dboles>oh, oops
14:10<itd>beparaso: /etc/default/console-setup & "man console-setup"
14:11<beparaso>did that
14:11<dboles>did what?
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14:11<dboles>you should tell people what you tried so that they don't repeat thngs you've done
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14:12<itd>beparaso: also "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" and what dboles said.
14:14<beparaso>itd thanks it worked
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14:54<smhar>I just upgraded my jessie to stretch, and I am still discovering the changes... one I discovered.. I no longer have xchat.. but now I have an HexChat !!!
14:55<dboles>and do you think that's a bad thing?
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14:55<smhar>dboles, still checking... but I assume it is a good change :-)
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14:56<smhar>but what is more alarming is that in aptitude list, I have duplicate names of almost all packages, and one of always ends with :386
14:56<dboles>smhar: indeed :) xchat is unmaintained since 2013, and hexchat a fork
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14:56<dboles>do you mean in aptitude search? that just means you have 32 bit packages available
14:56<smhar>actually :i386
14:57<smhar>dboles, it is a list of things I don't have installed
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14:58<dboles>ok, so there is no problem
14:59<smhar>but I don't want that to show up... it never did before.. the list is already long
14:59<smhar>and my system is 64bit so why does it show i386 packages?!
15:00<dboles>1st result for debian hide i386 packages
15:00<dboles>because, of course, some packages only have 32-bit versions, or 32-bit versions can be more memory efficient, or etc etc
15:00<dboles>they are just an option. if you don't want them, disable the i386 arch
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15:02<smhar>thanks ... I will check howto
15:02<Quibus>rudi_s: FWIW, the unattended-upgrades error disappeared after the full dist-upgrade
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15:05<Quibus>rudi_s: thanks for the prompt support though. My laptop is a happy Debian 9 machine now :-)
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15:06<smhar>I did dist-upgrade several times before rebooting to make sure everything is covered..
15:06<smhar>still, I had some issues with kdm and some other packages that I solved after the reboot
15:09<smhar>ok.. I have a general inquiry: I have my main laptop with stretch now.. I want to use it as a LAMP for learning web development.. should I install apache & mysql separately in a virtual machine or a chroot
15:09<smhar>just install them in the main system and just turn them on and off as needed?
15:09<smhar>what is best?
15:09<smhar>I am the only one using this laptop
15:10<rudi_s>Quibus: You're welcome ;-)
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15:14<dboles>smhar: usually the most safe/paranoid option is 'best' in theory, and in this case will give you a lot of added flexibility too (e.g. quickly cloning/restoring vms in different states), but it might be that you don't need the extra safety/flexibility/complication.... i think it's difficult for anyone else to say what would suit you best
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15:24<Quibus>good night
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15:25<hubot>Is it a good idea running cryptsetup on raspberry pi?
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15:26<rudi_s>Define good.
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15:27<nonsch>Hello. Does anybody know why the latest version of linphone in repos (from oldstable up to testing) is 3.6? Is it still due to libbzrtp version constraints? Judging by the tracker there hasn't been much activity among VoIP team since november.
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15:28<hubot>I care about performancy and data security
15:29<agaida>and why than the pi?
15:29<rudi_s>hubot: Data security should be good, but I don't know how well it performs. Raspberry pies are not that fast and have no AES-NI instructions. However normally you don't have that much disk activity on a pi so it might be fine.
15:29<rudi_s>I think TIAS is the best approach here.
15:31<hubot>So, if I would use rpi as NAS server, web or use for IoT is still it a good idea?
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15:32<hubot>Assuming that there will be more activity on the disk
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15:34<rudi_s>hubot: I don't know, you'll have to test it (and it depends on the model anyway).
15:34<rudi_s>But you shouldn't expect to fill gigabit with it.
15:34<hubot>My rpi is terribly slow with enabled cryptsetup
15:35<hubot>Raspberry Pi model 2B
15:35<rudi_s>Are you kidding? You just asked if it's good but you know it's slow? Well, then it will be slow, right? ...
15:35<hubot>Benchmark are good, but access time to disk is very slow
15:36<itd>nonsch: The latest change to was in April, but #743474 is still open. Not sure what hinders them.
15:36<judd>Bug in linphone (pending, upstream): «linphone: New upstream version available»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-04-03; last modified: 2017-01-26.
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15:39<itd>nonsch: The changelog in the repo mentions 3.11.1-1 you could try to build that from source. ;)
15:41<Texou>a new linphone has just been released
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15:41<Texou>based on Qt
15:41<Texou>so maybe it will be the opportunity to update
15:41<nonsch>itd: Ok, thanks for suggestion. Looks like the way to go.
15:44<nonsch>Texou: So, we still have hope that V4 will make its way into Buster, right?
15:45<Texou>nonsch: yes
15:45<Texou>Bster dev has just started
15:45<Texou>perhaps you could ping the bug about it
15:45<nonsch>have pretty much time until freeze then
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15:51<Texou>try another media it may work
15:51<Texou>then retry your usb stick
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16:24<cryocaustik>hi all - last night (or early this morning) I was on here asking about a black screen issue after selecting debian 9 in the gnu grub; just wanted to share that added "nomodeset" to the linux boot command (press e aft gnu grub) fixed the issue for me! was able to boot and get things sorted with the GPU driver
16:24<ryouma>that's great. unfortunately for my video card, modeset is necessary to run x in jessie. no problem there?
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16:29<annadane>amacater_, command you're looking for is probably !raspbian
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16:51<amacater_>Yes - I wondered if the bot had autocomplete :)
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17:02<jmcnaught>you can /msg the bot, there are examples in the topic
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17:24<gheorghe>how do i check if a nic is in promiscuous mode or not?
17:25<gheorghe>i mean, ip link set NIC promisc on <-- this will configure promis on, but i need to check if it is on or not
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17:25<Nebraskka>stupid bots
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17:26<Nebraskka>they are really think it's making at least anyone got motivated to go to those ads servers and sites
17:26<stderr>Has anyone ever joined their network based on one of those "ads"?
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17:26<gheorghe>i found the promisc
17:26<ap4lmtree>this is how this elite guy makes money? lol
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17:27<gheorghe> <-- the nic with promisc will have the flag
17:29<Guest240>hello, I am currently trying to setup a Xen VM on a newly installed debian 9 stretch and when I specify debian-vg as in the lvm option I get an error messages saying that debian-vg is full. df -h displays that 1% of ~465 GB is used. Which means I should have plenty of space.
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17:30<Guest240>Anybody any idea what I do wrong? I followed this tutorial:
17:30<fnlkj>hmmm! My guess; you did something wrong, whatevear. hmmmmm....
17:31<Guest240>However, encrypted the hard drive with LUKS.
17:31<fnlkj>or did every bit match exactly..
17:31<ap4lmtree>what are you trying to do
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17:31<ap4lmtree>oh i see
17:32<Guest240>I used the following command:
17:32<Guest240> xen-create-image --hostname=tutorial-pv-guest \
17:32<Guest240> --memory=512mb \
17:32<fnlkj>did encrypt b4 partitioning, or something...? I'm kinda n00b to that all myself really....hmz. Would also be interested in FDE with Xen tho
17:32<Guest240> --vcpus=2 \
17:32<Guest240> --lvm=debian-vg \
17:32<Guest240> --dhcp \
17:32<Guest240> --pygrub \
17:32<Guest240> --dist=jessie
17:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
17:32<jmcnaught>Guest240: df displays free space on filesystems, not on volume groups. Try "vgs" to see free space on debian-vg
17:33<Guest240>VFree -> 0
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17:34<jmcnaught>Guest240: you can add another disk (physical volume aka PV) to the volume group. then you would be able to create new logical volumes (LV)
17:35<jmcnaught>otherwise you must reduce the size of one or more of the existing LVs on the debian-vg VG
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17:37<Guest240>so, basically debian-vg takes up all the space and I could reduce the size of debian-vg and then create a new vg on the same disk?
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17:38<aidalgol>Since upgrading to stretch, the openssh client isn't using ssh-agent.
17:38<aidalgol>I'm at a loss as to how to troubleshoot this.
17:38<Guest240>ah I see debian-vg has to LVs one is called swap and one is called root. Would I be able to reduce the size of root from 465 to let's say 50 GB? If so I how would I do this?
17:39<NemoProbs>Nemo on testing is not navigating to SD cards correctly. When I load an SD card in either of my readers, I can navigate to /media/$username/sd_card/ and browse on the command line, but Nemo displays an empty window (both when I open the volume directly and when I navigate to /media) until I eject the volume, in which case it creates an error. "" could not be found.
17:40<itd>NemoProbs: Debian testing support is in #debian-next.
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17:41<NemoProbs>gotcha, I sort of remembered that but couldn't remember the channel name. Thanks.
17:41<jmcnaught>Guest240: "man 8 lvreduce" that command has support for using resize2fs to resize the filesystem, but you may want to do this as a separate step. Definitely have a backup first.
17:42<Guest240>@jmcnaught thanks for the help.
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17:43<jmcnaught>Guest240: the Red Hat LVM administrators manual is a really good introduce to the concepts and commands of LVM, i really recommend giving it at least a skim
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17:48<Guest240>@jmcnaught thanks. By the way can I encrypt a volume with LUKS after installation?
17:48<Guest240>I just used the Installer option LVM + Encryption. I never did it manually.
17:50<jmcnaught>you can make a new encrypted volume
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17:51<Guest240>okay, thanks.
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17:54<r3muxd>Hi! Is there a way to get aptitude to show all the installed packages in a "group"?
17:55<r3muxd>Like how when I start aptitude and open installed packages, there are what seem to be groups, but I can't actually find anything on them.
17:55<somiaj>packages don't really have a group, are you talking about tasksel and meta packages?
17:55<somiaj>packages have dependencies.
17:56<r3muxd>Sorry if this is stupid, but the psuedo-groups that show up when I start aptitude. "admin","comm","database" and so on.
17:57<somiaj>one second
17:57<somiaj>I tyink you mean section, not group
17:58<gheorghe>anyone knows what the external checkbox for vxlan networks does in openstack ? the guys on the openstack channel never answer
17:58<r3muxd>OK (sorry if this sounds rude, and sorry, I didn't know what they were called), but how can I list them? Thanks!
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17:58<somiaj>you have to know the section, but 'aptitude search ~i~ssection' is what you want, for example all admin packages, aptitude search ~i~sadmin
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17:59<somiaj>I don't think there is a way to list all sections, but the debian policy manual may have a list of them.
17:59<r3muxd>Oh, I just mean list the packages in the section.
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17:59<somiaj>that is the command I gave you, the ~i lists only installed packages, remove the ~i to list all packages in a section
17:59<jmcnaught>gheorghe: does that make it a provider network?
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18:00<gheorghe>in theory a provider network is a physical network. so it has nothing to do with vxlan. the vxlan encapsulates layer 2 packages in layer 3
18:00<r3muxd>Is there a way to list all the packages in multiple sections in multiple sections, or do I just need to put a printf " " in between the commands?
18:00<somiaj>yes, use the or patter, note you have to use the longhand form not the short hand ~i~ssection form I showed to do more complext things like ors and ands
18:00<jmcnaught>r3muxd: you should also checkout debtags
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18:01<somiaj>hmm, maybe ~ssection1|~ssection2 would work
18:01<r3muxd>Will do, but currently on a system that installed GNOME by accident and just trying to remove that. Will keep that in mind for the future, so thanks.
18:02<somiaj>by acident?
18:02<r3muxd>somiaj: It does, but how can I just get a list w/o description? thanks so much
18:02<somiaj>did you install some gnome meta package, just remove the metapackage and everythign else should either be removed (if using aptitude) or you have to run autoremove either.
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18:02<r3muxd>yeah, by accident when installing a system, unchecked "GNOME" but not "Debian Desktop Environment".
18:02<somiaj>you most likely don't want to remove all gnome packages, even if you use xfce or some other small window manager, gtk apps sometimes depend on core gnome libs which I think you'll want to keep installed.
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18:03<somiaj>r3muxd: just aptitude remove task-gnome-desktoop
18:03<somiaj>that should remove all the packages except the core libs that may be dependent on other things
18:03<r3muxd>I'm just trying to uninstall X11 entirely.
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18:04<r3muxd>yup, just "s/search/purge/g" works. Thanks!
18:04<somiaj>even on headless systems you'll have some x11 there, but don't worry about that, the core x11 libs are very small and just needed for things that can also be used
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18:04<somiaj>in this case just taking out the task metapackage should have been sufficent.
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18:05<r3muxd>You'd think, but after removing it, stuff like "yelp - help browser for gnome" was still installed.
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18:05<somiaj>you could have installed something else manually that eiter recommended or suggested parts of gnome keeping things in.
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18:05<r3muxd>I probably marked it as "installed on purpose" in aptitude in my attempt to search the help.
18:06<somiaj>anyways, that should hlep clean up your system. deborphan can also be useful too
18:06<r3muxd>ok, thanks!
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18:06<hubot>From icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable when I'm trying ping on which is rpi
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18:07<hubot>hubot@debian:~$ ssh hubot@
18:07<hubot>ssh: connect to host port 22: No route to host
18:07<r3muxd>is online?
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18:07<somiaj>hubot: do other connections work on that machine?
18:08<somiaj>then it might be an issue with your router, netmask or some other network configuration issue. I cannot guess what it could be from here. But I assume both machines are connected to teh internet through your router/network just fine, but they cannot see eachother?
18:09<cryocaustik>hi, all - I have Debian 9 up and running and I am hoping to learn and create a personal server that would allow external ssh connections to it; does anyone have any guides/tutorials they would recommend for this?
18:10<mnuhmnuh_>cryocaustik: yup, use ssh crypto key logins, disable password logins. real slick, handles auth for you.
18:11<hubot>somiaj: I've netmask, gateway and local machine ip address in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf properly configured
18:11<hubot>I'm following tutorial
18:12<hubot>netmask -
18:12<hubot>gateway -
18:12<hubot>host ip -
18:12<mnuhmnuh_>hubot: suspect your prob. is fixable within your router's gui config.
18:12<hubot>I've static ip address
18:13<hubot>that I set in /etc/network/interfaces
18:13<somiaj>is really your gateway/routers ip?
18:13<somiaj>besides that seems unstandard for routers I have seen, I don't see anything else that stands out.
18:14<somiaj>what is the output of route on the machine?
18:15<mnuhmnuh_>192.168. ... is what my router gives lan plugged into it. it's one of the two (?) lan only schemes.
18:15<somiaj>yes 192.168.x.x, and 10.0.x.x I belive are the blocks reserved for local networks.
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18:17<mnuhmnuh_>router's external ip won't be either of those.
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18:17<itd>mnuhmnuh_: (also -
18:17<mnuhmnuh_>three, and counting ...
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18:26<hubot>ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
18:27<r3muxd>OK, so now my problem is worse. Much worse. I uninstalled network-manager, and now the actual /dev/enp0s3 device is plain missing.
18:28<r3muxd>"ip show a" shows it, but "ls /dev/enp0s3" doesn't, and "sudo ifup enp0s3" doesn't work, saying "no such device".
18:29<somiaj>for ifup to work, you have to have the device configured in /etc/network/interfaces
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18:30<somiaj>hubot: you have two routes for, that is probably your issue
18:30<r3muxd>Nope, it got worse. "ifconfig: command not found"
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18:31<somiaj>r3muxd: it is okay to not have ifconfig, ifup/ifdown use ip anyways
18:31<r3muxd>does ip have a "ifconfig <interface> up" equivalent?
18:31<somiaj>r3muxd: you need to configure the /etc/network/interfaces file
18:31<itd>dpkg: tell r3muxd -about networking
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18:33<r3muxd>ok, so i'm online now, thanks!
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18:42<JohnnyL>help. i just uninstalled network manager.
18:42<JohnnyL>all I have access is to my cdrom.
18:42<JohnnyL>I tried to apt-get update but i'm getting an error.
18:42<r3muxd>JohnnyL: What is the output of "ip show a"
18:42<r3muxd>I literally just had this issue, let me help
18:42<JohnnyL>Object "show" is unknown.
18:43<JohnnyL>i can't believe i"m still connected.
18:43<somiaj>just put 'iface <name> inet dhcp' in your interfaces file and run ifup <name>
18:43<r3muxd>I mean "ip a show"
18:43<JohnnyL>i don't use dhcp.
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18:44<r3muxd>ok, run it anyway
18:44<somiaj>JohnnyL: you could also set up a static ip in the interfaces file
18:44<JohnnyL>wait. so just edit the /etc/interfaces.
18:44<JohnnyL>what is the format for it. i have no web.
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18:45<r3muxd>johnnyl please type 'ip a show | awk '/^[0-9]: /{print $2}' | tr -d ":" | tr -d " "'.
18:45<r3muxd>including the quotes inside the quotes, of course.
18:46<JohnnyL>lo, enp9s0 enp0s31f6
18:46<JohnnyL>wait i got the format from my other debian box.
18:47<JohnnyL>all i need is address/netmask/gateway, right?
18:48<r3muxd>i think?
18:48<r3muxd>hold on, I have a syntax fill-in-the-blanks here...
18:48<r3muxd>auto <interface>
18:48<r3muxd>allow-hotplug <interface>
18:48<r3muxd>iface <interface> inet static
18:48<r3muxd> address <address>
18:49<r3muxd> netmask <netmask>
18:49<r3muxd> gateway <gateway>
18:49<r3muxd>after that, run "ifup <interface>"
18:49<mnuhmnuh_>well, would you look at that? my broadcast addy is, so that's wrong there as an ip (i think).
18:50<JohnnyL>ifup: failed to bring up enp9s0.
18:50<somiaj>r3muxd: please use for stuff like that
18:50<r3muxd>somiaj: i would, but JohnnyL has no web browser
18:50<JohnnyL>somiaj: he can't i have no web.
18:50<r3muxd>it would be kinda useless
18:50<JohnnyL>you can im it to me.
18:51<JohnnyL>it looks good. i may need another software packages.
18:51<JohnnyL>i did a autoremove before this happenes.
18:51<JohnnyL>i had no idea.
18:51<somiaj>r3muxd: oh sorry, #flood is usually used fro that, though unsure if oftc has that
18:51<JohnnyL>what do I do if I can't get the network to setup? my cdrom doesn't want to work either.
18:53<JohnnyL>i get this too: RTNETLINK answers: File exists
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18:53<JohnnyL>ifup enp9s0
18:53<JohnnyL>RTNETLINK answers: File exists
18:53<JohnnyL>ifup: failed to bring up enp9s0
18:53<somiaj>JohnnyL: you can manually download packages from and use a usbstick. Though I bet you can get your cd to work.
18:53<somiaj>JohnnyL: you may need to run ifdown or ifdown --force, and then run ifup, note ifdown --force might destory what connection you have
18:53<JohnnyL>W: The repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 9.0.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 xfce-CD Binary-1 20170617-13:07] stretch Release' does not have a Release file.
18:53<JohnnyL>somiaj: i feel the later is likely.
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18:54<JohnnyL>i'll use that as a last defense.
18:54<somiaj>JohnnyL: apt-cdrom should be able to rescan cd and set up soruces for it.
18:54<somiaj>JohnnyL: man apt-cdrom for details
18:54<JohnnyL>i'm using a flash drive.
18:54<r3muxd>somiaj: he might not have that, though.
18:54<r3muxd>do you have base64 on your machine?
18:54<somiaj>r3muxd: if he doesn't have 'apt' then there are other issues. apt-cdrom is part of apt
18:54<r3muxd>somiaj: sorry.
18:54<JohnnyL>if i type base64 it just hangs.
18:55<r3muxd>johnnyl: type ctrl-d
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18:55<JohnnyL>base64 version 8.26
18:55<r3muxd>ok, so johnnyL, what version are you one?
18:55<Lehzeni>Is this an appropriate channel to ask if debian supports a certain piece of hardware?
18:56<r3muxd>johnnyL: i'm going to send you something very long through pm, and I need you to copy what I say and nothing else to a file. got it?
18:57<jmcnaught>Lehzeni: sure
18:59<r3muxd>johnnyl what irc client are you using?
19:00<Lehzeni>ok. I've got a usb video grabber, a Belkin f5u228, which uses a Crescentec/Syntek dc1100 chipset. It's not supported on the old slackware I've been using, I would happily upgrade to Debian if it supports that hw.
19:02<Lehzeni>The rest of my hw I know is supported by all linuxes
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19:05<Lehzeni>if it is supported, it would be in the kernel sources under media/video
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19:07<jmcnaught>Lehzeni: Debian has a hardware compatibility list at but it's for PCI devices. The Free Software Foundation's is one place to look
19:07<jmcnaught>Lehzeni: i suggest also searching the Debian wiki for the model number of the device
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19:09<jmcnaught>Lehzeni: if you broaden your search you may find perhaps someone has written software for it that is simply not included in Debain, but you might be able to compile it from source
19:13<Lehzeni>just searched for dc1100 and f5u228. no results. I did find the chipset listed at , but they point to where it isn't mentioned at all
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19:14<jmcnaught>Lehzeni: you could boot from a live disk and plug it in and see what happens
19:15<Lehzeni>yes, I could. I need to upgrade to a newer linux anyways, and Debian has always been tried and true
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19:16<jmcnaught>it's best to install from a debian installer iso, but live disks can be handy for testing
19:16<somiaj>Lehzeni: what kernel is slackware using?
19:16<somiaj>Lehzeni: kernel support is more likely the issue with many things, so if your slackware is using a kernel around 4.9, debian may not support it either.
19:17<Lehzeni>I don't don't know what their latest (14.2) uses but I've been using 13.37 with a 2.6.31.x kernel
19:18<Lehzeni>they weren't so willing to backport patches for major bugs like heartbleed and the bash shell bug into their new distros
19:18<Lehzeni>so I put off upgrading as long as I could
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19:19<somiaj>well debian does try to pride itself on good security support, provided you use an actual stable release.
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19:19<r3muxd>Can I install a single package that has dependencies that exist on debian from a PPA or will everything break?
19:19<somiaj>oldstable (jessie) will be supported for a year, and then -lts support supports server side security for another couple of years beyond that.
19:19<jmcnaught>the upgrades between Debian stable releases are usually pretty smooth too
19:19<Lehzeni>just, Debian has always been solid
19:20<somiaj>r3muxd: 'can'...depends, 'should not' is the advise #debian hsould be given.
19:20<somiaj>r3muxd: what package are you needing to isntall that is outside of debian?
19:21<somiaj>r3muxd: note packages come with install/remove scripts, and ubuntu and debian sometimes put things in different places, so you have to trust the dependencies are meat in debian (which it seems like they are) and that the install/remove scripts won't damage your system.
19:21<Lehzeni>thanks I'll go download and give it a try
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19:23<r3muxd>somiaj: the only postinst script is at:
19:24<r3muxd>and a prerm script at:
19:24<r3muxd>assuming those don't change, should I be fine?
19:25<somiaj>r3muxd: should be, the biggest issue you need to worry about packages out side of debian are needing to install shared libaries other software may depend on, and the install/remove scripts doing things that could hurt your system.
19:25<somiaj>I won't check if this case is safe or not, you'll have to be the judge
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19:26<somiaj>and if the package is not made for debian version you are using, the above is usually the case
19:26<r3muxd>ok, so i found a debian fork that includes pantheon-greeter, so i'll just install that.
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19:29<jmcnaught>r3muxd: is this greeter worth switching to a Debian derivative distro for?
19:29<r3muxd>not really. I'm just going to pin everything but pantheon-greeter in that repo to -10, install pantheon-greeter, and be done with it.
19:30<jmcnaught>the way pinning works has changed for stretch so you should really review what's different before attempting that
19:31<jmcnaught>r3muxd: also take a look at:
19:31<r3muxd>I'll just install another greeter then, thanks!
19:31<jmcnaught>mixing distros has the potential to break your system, and can also make it very difficult to troubleshoot
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19:32<somiaj>r3muxd: I would really advise against adding the repo to your sources.list
19:32<r3muxd>I won't
19:32<somiaj>r3muxd: if you think this single greeter package works in debian (test it in a VM if you want) you should just install the package, not include it in your sources.list
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21:10<cpdev>hey there everyone. i am trying to install debian and when it reaches the mirror connection it shows that it cannot find packages in the logs and the installer says its a bad mirror. can anyone be of help?
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21:12<bremner>did you try a different mirror?
21:13<cpdev>bremner: yep. tried 3 different ones.
21:13<cpdev>i tried,, and
21:13<themill>do you need to log on to your network?
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21:14<cpdev>themill: i am using ethernet and the network configuration worked perfectly everytime i've tried
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21:17<cpdev>any thoughts on the issue?
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21:20<themill>do the logs show it getting a sensible IP?
21:20<cpdev>themill: what do you mean? would it be a normal ipv4 address or the domain?
21:20<cpdev>because it is showing the domain and the file paths
21:21<themill>ah, I thought the IP of the mirror was also logged
21:21<cpdev>im not seeing anything but it does show the file path where it is finding an error through the domain
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21:23<cryocaustik>when using the guide to setup my server, it starts with assuming that you already have a remote_host variable defined
21:24<cryocaustik>is there any information on the proper way to configure a server to have a host name or IP?
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21:24<bremner>uh. the installer asks you for a hostname?
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21:25<bremner>cryocaustik: remote_host is just to make the documentation easier to read
21:26<bremner>if you don't know the remote host name (or IP address), you can't ssh there
21:27<cryocaustik>I see;
21:28<cryocaustik>I guess my question then is, how do I define an IP for SSH access?
21:29<bremner>generally you ask your network admin
21:29<cryocaustik>sorry, to clarify, I am trying to setup my own server at home
21:29<cryocaustik>keyword of "trying"
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21:29<bremner>and this is only for access within that network?
21:29<cryocaustik>no, I'd like to be able to access it outside of the network too
21:31<cryocaustik>basically i want to have a small server for myself that I can remote in from other locations
21:31<cryocaustik>not going to be doing anything crazy with it
21:31<cef>cryocaustik: you'll need to set up your router to forward ssh to your internal PC. you can either forward the default port (22) or a different port. I usually recommend a different port, simply as it reduces the amount of noise you might see in your logs from bad attempts.
21:32<cpdev>bremner, themill: got any ideas on my mirror issue? i cant seem to figure this out. this is day 2 of trying to install debian because i was getting mirror connection errors before and now i am getting package missing errors.
21:32<bremner>cpdev: nope, I've not experienced those kind of problems.
21:33<cryocaustik>cef: thanks, let me give that a try :)
21:33<cpdev>hmmmm. tommorrow will be day 3 of trying to install debian and i don't want to reach that point if possible
21:33<bremner>cryocaustik: note that your public IP address can change
21:33<cef>cryocaustik: Just remember: Using a different port for ssh only reduces logging spam from bad attempts. It's not a security enhancement. Your setup should be up to date and needs to be secure.
21:33<themill>cpdev: I'd suggest completing the installation without trying to connect to the mirror
21:34<cpdev>themill: without completing the installation i can't get GNOME and other programs though?
21:34<cef>cryocaustik: you may also want to look into tools like fail2ban (there are lots of similar tools) that block connections on too many failed password/connection attempts.
21:34<cpdev>so just complete the install and just use the basic shell for a bit?
21:34<cpdev>and install stuff from there?
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21:35<cpdev>because after getting this problem today i restarted and went into the live from usb desktop and i do have internet connection but for some reason was unable to click anything
21:35<bremner>cpdev: one thing to check is if you need some firmware for your ethernet card. You can try e.g. ping from a shell to check basic network function
21:35<themill>cpdev: yes, or you could download the DVD that has everything on it
21:35<cryocaustik>cef: will do; the guide has it as part of the process as well; I was hoping to get that added after I figured out how to get this thing up :P
21:36<cef>cryocaustik: if you're on a static external IP address (ie: your ISP allocated you a specific IP address), then you'll be able to SSH using that. If you're on DHCP, then you probably want to use a service like dyndns (also lots of those) to map the IP to a name so if it changes you can still connect.
21:36<cpdev>bremner: before when i was using windows it didn't require any firmware so i don't think it would now
21:37<bremner>cpdev: that is not a sensible deduction
21:37<cef>cryocaustik: other than that, you should be set.
21:37<cpdev>i know but it seemed logical
21:37<cpdev>would it be different?
21:37<cef>cpdev: windows includes a lot of firmware in drivers. it's not separated like it is under linux (and specifically under Debian)
21:38<cpdev>ok sorry i am new to linux
21:38<cef>cpdev: even the built-in drivers.
21:38<cef>cpdev: no problems. All good. :D
21:38<cpdev>let me try a ping
21:38<cryocaustik>cef: thanks!
21:38<cef>cryocaustik: quite welcome.
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21:39<cpdev>rip my pc shut down and i have to go through install again
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22:39<mnuhmnuh_>i'm just learning transmission; message log says add "net.core.wmem_max = 1048576" to /etc/sysctl.conf - is that a good, or at least benign, idea?
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22:43<mnuhmnuh_>and does that take a reboot to take effect?
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22:45<somiaj>I think some of that stuff you can edit on a running system with sysctl
22:46<cpdev>hey there everyone. trying to install debian from any mirror gives me an error "mirror does not support the specified release"
22:46<somiaj>what release are you specifying?
22:46<cpdev>latest one
22:46<cpdev>this is my second try running a bootable drive
22:46<somiaj>latest one is not a valid release.
22:46<somiaj>how did you make the bootable drive?
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22:48<cpdev>originally i got the latest iso around yesterday and used a windows tool called rufus to create the bootable drive. i was told that i had a bad install from someone on here and had to go create a new boot drive. i didnt have a computer that could do it so i had a friend do it but it does boot. so the release is whatever is installed by the amd64 installer on the website
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22:48<somiaj>that could be your problem
22:48<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
22:48<dpkg>win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
22:48<somiaj>use that instead.
22:49<cpdev>well the issue now is that i dont have access to a computer that can install it. i had a friend do it for me but now i dont have time to create a new drive. not sure what friend did to install but they probably didn't use rufus but something else.
22:49<cpdev>ive been having the problem for 3 days and i just want it over with
22:50<cpdev>ive been on this irc channel everyday and i've tried every suggestion given to me. its frustrating
22:51<cpdev>and i dont think its an installation media issue but rather a mirror // connection issue (though i can ping domains so i've pretty much ruled out connection). if needed i can provide some images of my log during a mirror connection attempt
22:51<L00thar>the dpkg bot appears to be a font of wisdom...
22:52<mnuhmnuh_>cpdev: you could always drag it down to starbucks, find someone who's willing to slup it down onto your key ... buy 'em a latte.
22:52<cpdev>lol. its late at night where i am right now and since its the weekend i dont really have time to keep messing around with this
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22:53<mnuhmnuh_>a&w has good wifi too. suspect most bars do too these days. :-)
22:54<cpdev>nah, don't really want to have to head out again. to be completely honest, it wasn't a friend who made the new boot drive for me. it was a pc repair shop who took hours to create it and annoyed me. dont have anyone rn that can help rly
22:55<cpdev>i just want this install done man. in a few hours it'll mark 3 days of trying to switch to linux
22:56<mnuhmnuh_>cpdev: took me about three years, then it finally clicked. never went back.
22:56<cpdev>lol. took u 3 years to get fed up with windows?
22:56<cpdev>took me 5 hahah
22:56<mnuhmnuh_>i really wanted it to work for me. i'd seen *nix in motion before.
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22:57<mnuhmnuh_>i was fed up with win* from 3.1 onward.
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23:03<L00thar>AFAIC, the best way to start with GNUnix is to burn and run a 'live CD'. Or run it from a USB stick, if you can do that.
23:04<L00thar>You don't have to commit any hardware, that way.
23:04<L00thar>Get familiar with the live CD, first.
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23:09<somiaj>debian works just fine if you use the suggested tools. It is preferable to use the offical installer over the live image, and just use win32diskimager and copy the .iso to the usb drive.
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23:23<bumble3>when making a theme, how do you set up the proper block/region configuration
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23:25<annadane>are kernel updates and general things which "require a restart" in need of a full reboot or just log off/log on?
23:26<DoTell>@annadane When I've updated the kernel myself on Jessie, a restart was required.
23:26<DoTell>It's because I think the kernel resides in /boot.
23:26<DoTell>Accessed by init at startup, of course.
23:27<DoTell>But full caveat: I'm a linux noob.
23:27<bumble3>well, its hard to reload a running kernel
23:28<annadane>okay. brb.
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23:31<DoTell>What's the report, annadane?
23:32<annadane>well, i dunno. i didn't really check. i just assume it updated correctly
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23:32<DoTell>There's a way to check, I just forget how. Giggle will tell you.
23:32<bumble3>uname -a ?
23:32<DoTell>... or bumble 3 ;)
23:33<annadane>yeah uname -a for the kernel and there's also screenfetch
23:33<DoTell>And so the informer becomes the informed.
23:33<bumble3>i didn't know that i could get "stretch" out of an lsb_* command
23:33<annadane>but i guess my other question is, what else other than the kernel requires a restart
23:33<bumble3>only the kernel
23:34<DoTell>If Debian itself doesn't need a restart, hard to imagine anything else that would.
23:34<annadane>okay. like, i look at the list of packages to be upgraded and i sort of scan them for the kernel but i'm not sure which ones are which belonging to the kernel
23:34<bumble3>offtopic, but does anyone do "dev/unix" stickers
23:34<bumble3>like, buy them and put them on their laptop. lol
23:35<DoTell>Kernel's designed to work with legacy stuff from decades ago. I imagine it's fine.... until you revert to an earlier kernel, that is.
23:35<annadane>i just never know what belongs to the kernel in the list of upgraded packages thus requiring a reboot
23:35<mnuhmnuh_>apps may need to be restarted, but that doesn't require a reboot.
23:35<annadane>like for example a ton of library files
23:36<annadane>i know some of them are very specifically "kernel4.blahblah"
23:36<mnuhmnuh_>libc requires reboot.
23:37<DoTell>Interesting. Because the kernel depends on it?
23:37<annadane>the kernel is programmed in c
23:38<bumble3>i think you only have to reboot if you want to use the new libc
23:38<annadane>well, i mean, i do, hence the upgrade
23:38<DoTell>Right, but I figured the kernel would be strictly static libs. So is the kenerl rebuilt after a libc update?
23:38<annadane>you might as well
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23:43<DoTell>Okay, I think I understand. Calls to the kernel get pointed to old libc dynamic libs until restart. Yes? No?
23:43<annadane>i know there's a package needsrestart which can tell you which daemons need restarts but i don't know whether it applies to computer reboots
23:44<annadane>it would be very nice to have something that tells you so i don't need to squint at my package list
23:44<DoTell>Then more packages than libc and the kernel need restarts, apparently.
23:44<piper>the kernel (1991) is linux, software/tools/etc is GNU (1984)
23:45<piper>systemctl restart apache2.service systemctl enable apache2.service systemctl --system daemon-reload
23:45<piper>kernel, video drivers require a reboot
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23:46<annadane>it's still hard to really know unless you're experienced because you need to know package names in relation to what they're part of
23:48<annadane>it's almost worth it to go back to stable just to not have to deal with this
23:48<piper>annadane: if not sure just log off/on, if still not working properly reboot, yeah, it takes time to know
23:48<annadane>well, see, the thing is, i don't know what "working properly" means
23:48<annadane>i can be able to physically boot into my system yet not have the thing properly upgraded
23:48<piper>hmm, stable might be good for you ;)
23:49<annadane>i'm fine with "you just sort of have to know" as an answer, as long as that's the answer and there isn't a simpler method
23:49<DoTell>On an individual package basis (not all that helpful), will checking the version number tell you the current running/runnable version or the version that's newly installed?
23:49<piper>annadane: what do you mean properly upgraded, are you running testing, sid, or stable
23:49<annadane>i can certainly learn the syntax for kernel/video driver package names
23:50<annadane>i'm testing
23:51<annadane>DoTell, yeah, if you want to verify an update occurred that's fine, i just don't want to restart if i don't need to
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23:51<annadane>this sounds like a rant. i'm not particularly upset by it
23:51<DoTell>I understood that. Just asking in theory. New to Debian/Linux and wouldn't mind knowing.
23:51<DoTell>I didn't hear a rant. Makes sense.
23:52<annadane>oh i mean in general. it sounds like i'm pissed off but i'm not
23:52<piper>well sid and testing you should be running dist-upgrade (full-upgrade, samething) and not upgrade, sid (i never ran testing) update 4 times a day
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23:52<DoTell>I recognize the tone of someone troubleshooting. It might as well be happening in my own head.
23:53<DoTell>Been meaning to ask this. How is stable as a development environment, generally?
23:53<piper>annadane: don't sound like a rant to m, sounds like you want to learn
23:54<DoTell>I know it's not the distro of choice for it, but I like the Debian approach so much that I've thrown my hat in here.
23:54<annadane>piper, the thing with dist-upgrade is that i only do it if i get a non-zero "not upgraded" in the list of "x upgraded, x newly installed, x to remove and x not upgraded"
23:54<annadane>which is i assume is the proper way to do it
23:55<piper>Calculating upgrade... Done
23:55<piper>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
23:55<piper>that is sid right now
23:55<annadane>so yes, i do watch that
23:56<piper>the freeze is over, so soon* you have to really pay attention to what apt says, if not sure, just ask, and you know the channel
23:58<piper>it doesn't hurt to ask if it is safe, differnt people have different systems/setups/software etc
23:58<annadane>well, and the other thing i of course watch is packages removed
23:58<piper>we are in the wrong channel for sid/testing but its slow here i guess
23:58<DoTell>I was surprised to read in "Don't Break Debian" that removing packages doesn't necessarily check that all package dependencies are null.
23:59<annadane>DoTell, this is offtopic for a support channel and if you want to continue that discussion go to #debian-offtopic but stable as a development environment should be fine. the biggest disadvantage of stable is old software but development software doesn't really need to be cutting edge
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