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00:03<jgould>Ok, I feel slightly like an idiot now... I started comparing the settings between the two machines, and one had the "applications menu" and the other had the "wisker menu"
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00:18<lionel_>hola
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01:04<aslan>hola
01:04<Svetlana>hi
01:04<aslan>where are you from?
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01:12<Svetlana>aslan, i speak english and russian, i'm around utc+10 right now
01:12<Svetlana>how about you? may i help you?
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03:44<aidalgol>Why on earth might this be happening?
03:44<aidalgol>`gpg-agent --homedir /home/aidan/.emacs.d/elpa/gnupg --use-standard-socket --daemon`
03:45<aidalgol>er, sorry, I meant to say that this shows up in my process list as being started by PID 1
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03:50<jm_>because it detached from parent PID I suppose
03:51<babilen>Emacs init system ;)
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03:59<luichi>hello
04:00<luichi>how can i do this aptitude search '!?essential' (show non essential packages) using apt-get?
04:02<aidalgol>jm_: How would I find out what's starting that? It doesn't make any sense for it to be pointing to .emacs.d
04:03<jm_>aidalgol: are you using elpa-notmuch ?
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04:05<aidalgol>jm_: nope
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04:09<jm_>aidalgol: probably something as part of your session, i.e. for plain startx it would be /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent
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04:25<aidalgol>OK, moving on from the odd instance, the SSH_*_AGENT environment variables aren't being set up on my system.
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04:26<jm_>how do you start X?
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04:27<aidalgol>startx from a virtual console
04:27<jm_>is it enabled in /etc/X11/Xsession.options ?
04:28<aidalgol>~/.xinitrc => http://paste.debian.net/974479/
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04:28<MarkedOne>Hello... I have almost successfully upgraded to stretch. My discrete nvidia card no longer works. I use gnome and I like new features but. Fonts seems changed, maybe I would like old back. Also GUI is ugly, some elements too stretched others to narrow, thick blue line for selection is ugly and when hit left super areas that hold programs and workspaces are not transparent. I suspect more ram consumption too. And also touchpad is broken,
04:28<aidalgol>jm_: Via which option?
04:28<MarkedOne>no tap to click and no edge scroll.
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04:28<jm_>aidalgol: use-ssh-agent
04:29<aidalgol>jm_: Yes, that is in there.
04:29<aidalgol>I have also tried disabling it.
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04:31<babylon>hi something went wrong during upgrade to stretch
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04:32<babylon>how can i reinstall full stretch from within a stretch desktop
04:32<jm_>aidalgol: works fine that way for me in jessie, have you tried moving all that stuff from .xinitrc to .xsession (just rename the file)?
04:32<babylon>would like to redo the whole upgrade
04:32<babylon>like libreoffice writer doesnt work
04:33<aidalgol>jm_: Huh, I used to run my wm through gpg-agent on jessie, but then that broke on stretch.
04:33<babylon>calc works fine though
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04:33<jm_>aidalgol: but why would you do that through gpg-agent?
04:33<aidalgol>jm_: do what?
04:34<babylon>i found some info via googling and they adviced to install amd64, but can i install amd64 stretch on non amd64 hardware?
04:34<jm_>aidalgol: "run my wm through gpg-agent"
04:34<aidalgol>The last line of my .xinitrc file was `gpg-agent --enable-ssh-agent i3`
04:34<jm_>babylon: amd64 works fine with 64bit intel processors, but that's unlikely to be the source of your problems
04:35<jm_>aidalgol: yeah use of .xsession and default sessions means you shouldn't need to do this manually
04:35<babylon>the computer i am trying to solve is old, way more old /°
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04:36<jm_>in that case you should first check if it has a 64bit CPU if you want to pursue that path
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04:39<babylon>jm_: https://paste.debian.net/974481/
04:39<babylon>how do I reinstall fresh stretch from within working stretch?
04:40<jm_>babylon: https://ark.intel.com/products/27131/Intel-Celeron-D-Processor-356-512K-Cache-3_33-GHz-533-MHz-FSB says Intel 64: Yes
04:40<babylon>libreoffice writer autocloses and it doesnt show a message when i launch it with cli
04:41<babylon>oh great
04:41<babylon>how do install amd64 without using usbkey to reinstall fresh?
04:42<jm_>i.e. if you type 'libreoffice' in a terminal you get absolutely no messages?
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04:42<babylon>yes, no message at all
04:42<jm_>does splash screen show?
04:43<babylon>yes splash is shown, libreoffice works and boots
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04:43<babylon>its just libreoffice-writer which shows spalsh but doesnt boot
04:43<jm_>why did you say it doesn't show a message then? :)
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04:43<babylon>it doesnt launch the app
04:43<babylon>but i would like to try amd64
04:44<babylon>you have an idea how i can upgrade my 686 stretch to amd64?
04:44<jm_>in that case you will need to boot installer ISO
04:44<jm_>yes, but I would advise against converting i386 release to amd64, better start from scratch
04:44<babylon>there is no way to do it with cli from withing my stretch right now?
04:44<babylon>ok
04:45<babylon>will try
04:45<jm_>in theory you could install it using debootstrap if you had 64bit kernel, but again, it's not simple
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04:47<jm_>so you see a splash screen but not the simplified window it opens to then start writer/calc/... ?
04:47<babylon>will use easy way, already complicated enough for a noob like me :)
04:47<babylon>libreoffice works
04:47<babylon>libreoffice-calc works
04:47<babylon>libreoffice-writer not, it shows splash but then nothing shown
04:48<babylon>there are similar people facing the issue when you google, they all suggest installing amd64 version of stretch
04:49<babylon>dont like so much as its not a workaround for everyone but i need to fix this pc quickly as i am going abroad in 3 days and otherwise my parents are stuck :s
04:49<jm_>yeah there are bugs in BTS it seems
04:51<jm_>someone wrote: I rebooted from kernel 4.9.0-3-686-pae to 4.9.0-2-686-pae and I have no
04:51<jm_>problem with Writer.
04:51<jm_>so maybe try that
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05:00<babylon>will go amd64 as it should work
05:00<babylon>will report back later
05:00<babylon>do not look forward into reconfiguring their shitty printer /°
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05:02<aidalgol>jm_: OK, I've gone back to using .xsession and starting X via lightdm.
05:03<aidalgol>Now ssh is trying to use the gpg ssh-agent, and failing with this error: `sign_and_send_pubkey: signing failed: agent refused operation`
05:04<jm_>aidalgol: hmm maybe try to search for that error, for me ssh works the same as before upgrade to stretch at home (delaying upgrade at work for now)
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05:13<Gollie>using Stretch on an AMD A-10 desktop (cpu and gpu integrated) and having problems with the graphics driver - there's an error message during boot - but it goes too fast for me to see - is there a boot log i can check to find the error?
05:15<aidalgol>jm_: I needed to install dbus-user-session
05:16<aidalgol>via Debian bug #851440
05:16<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851440 in gnupg-agent (closed): «sign_and_send_pubkey: signing failed: agent refused operation»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-14; last modified: 2017-02-21.
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05:16<aidalgol>Right, now that I am no longer starting i3wm via .xinitrc, my setting of $PATH is no longer kicking in. :/
05:17<aidalgol>I add my user ~/bin to $PATH in .xsession, but dmenu isn't seeing it, apparently.
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05:20<aidalgol>oh, this is some dmenu-specific shenanigans.
05:21<aidalgol>Hm, no, it shouldn't be, actually.
05:21<aidalgol>I'm going by this now: http://bbs.archbang.org/viewtopic.php?pid=23519#p23519
05:21<TotallyNotKim>does someone know how ping behaves on a mac change? If I ping an ip address which fails-over to a different node (different mac) I get no responses until I restart ping
05:22<TotallyNotKim>no wrong, I ping something outside, the failing-over address is the gateway
05:24<grawity>TotallyNotKim: it really has nothing to do with ping
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05:24<TotallyNotKim>arp?
05:24<grawity>you're asking the OS to contact an IP address – the OS has an ARP cache with IP->MAC entries – it'll keep using the old MAC address until the cache entry expires, at which point it'll ARP for it and find out the new adress
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05:25<TotallyNotKim>so I need the new gateway to invalidate the old mac
05:25<grawity>usually failover systems either try to send out an unsolicited ARP reply in hopes of all hosts updating their caches from it, or actually share a "virtual" MAC address across all nodes (e.g. VRRP / CARP do this)
05:26<TotallyNotKim>well in that case
05:26<TotallyNotKim>I'm acutally using carp
05:26<grawity>and what MAC addresses does it set up?
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05:31<TotallyNotKim>grawity: they indeed share the same
05:31<TotallyNotKim>so I have to investigate further
05:31<TotallyNotKim>thanks
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05:41<yuhlw>Is there any command that tells me if a new kernel was installed and that a reboot is needed ?
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05:42<Azure_Chaos>is there anyway to downgrade kde to kde 4 in stretch?
05:43<EmleyMoor>yuhlw: How do you normally apply updates?
05:43<towo^work>Azure_Chaos, no
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05:45<Azure_Chaos>ok thanks
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05:52<MarkedOne>Good ppl, when I run lspci -v I see that for nvidia card I have Kernel driver in use: nouveau, and Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidia_current_drm, nvidia_current how to specifi nvidia driver? after upgrade to stretch optirun does not work
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05:55<jm_>MarkedOne: is it installed? has kernel module been built?
05:55<llandon>yuhlw: compare uname -r and ls /boot/vmlinuz*
05:56<MarkedOne>jm_: It shuld be installed, and I dont know second.
05:57<jm_>MarkedOne: dpkg -s nvidia-kernel-dkms
05:57<jm_>MarkedOne: and find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep nvidia
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06:00<MarkedOne>yep seems installed and under find, there are few lines that ends with .ko
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06:02<jm_>in that case follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure
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06:08<MarkedOne>jm_: Can I simply uninstall nouveau?
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06:10<jm_>MarkedOne: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package, but it may uninstall something along with it
06:10<jm_>but that's not possible for kernel driver
06:11<MarkedOne>Oh.. I dont know what went wrong :/
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06:12<jm_>if I was in your position, I would try to blacklist nouveau manually and see what happens
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06:17<MarkedOne>I will investigate it further..
06:18<MarkedOne>Why my GUI sitst on tty1 and tty2? and not in tty7 like before? May it be problem?
06:18<jm_>naah it's that way since systemd IIRC
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06:19<MarkedOne>Seems like i am logged in tty2 and tty1 has gui started bot not loged
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06:21<aidalgol>For future reference: it's ~/.xsessionrc not just ~/.xsession
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06:24<jm_>they are both there to be used, rc is for locales etc.
06:25<jm_>see 40x11-common_xsessionrc
06:25<jm_>(and 50x11-common_determine-startup)
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06:30<Aleksej>Hi. I can't find firefox debug symbols package anywhere. Does anyone know where it is?
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06:30<Aleksej>I'm talking about stretch.
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06:32<jm_>there is firefox-esr and firefox-esr-debug in stretch
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06:32<Aleksej>jm_: firefox-esr-debug is 45.9.
06:32<jm_>Aleksej: yeah just noticed, I suppose it will show up later
06:33<MarkedOne>when i reinstall bumblebee i got message Setting up bumblebee-nvidia (3.2.1-14) ... update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/nvidia/bumblebee to provide /usr/lib/glx (glx) in manual mode rmmod: ERROR: Module nouveau is in use
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06:37<MarkedOne>Okey I probably know what is problem.. nouveau does not work with my GPU.. so I have to use nvidia proprietary driver.. I had it installed in jessie.. Probably in upgrade to stretch.. it decided to install nouvau and problem is born.
06:38<yang>I have an issue upgrading Mysql 5.5 to MariaDB, it doesn't get nicely upgraded, what could I do ? http://paste.debian.net/plainh/82e5f478
06:38<yang>jm_: ^
06:38<MarkedOne>I thought that noveau does not need to be installed manually. When I install nvidia, nouvau is overiden, when I uninstall nvidia noveau is in use.. now it seems both are installed but nouveau is in use... I dont want to purge and install nvidia drivers again, as I dont remember which i installed.
06:39<yang>I think that with the first attempt I did not remember the mysql root password so I just clicked "abort" and then I faced this issue later
06:40<jm_>yang: maybe check mariadb logs for more clues, i.e. why it fails
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06:40<Aleksej>I guess, the problem is firefox-esr 52 is in debian-security, and -dbgsym repository for debian-security doesn't seem to exist.
06:41<Aleksej>At least I can't find it in the docs.
06:41<yang>where would those logs be ? nothing in /var/log/mysql...
06:42<jm_>are you using systemd? tried journalctl -u mysqldb.service ?
06:42<jm_>or maybe it goes in /var/log/mariadb?
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06:43<yang>jm_: this machine for some reason has both sysvinit and systemd packages...
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06:43<yang>there is no /var/log/mariadb
06:43<jm_>yang: yeah that's OK, same here
06:44<yang>shall I try "journalctl" ?
06:45<yang>it's a VPS machine however
06:45<jm_>yeah that way you'll at least know if it has systemd
06:46<yang>No journal files were found.
06:46<yang>-- No entries --
06:46<jm_>as root?
06:46<yang>yes
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06:48<jm_>then perhaps add any needed options so that it starts in debug mode and shows more info, I never used the thing
06:48<nim>jm_: maybe you meant mariadb.service? :)
06:48<yang>I did jessie to stretch upgrade, and trying to preserve the old mysql databases and doing a migration to mariadb
06:49<jm_>nim: I said mysql because of this text "invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql" , but yeah, maybe it's named that way
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06:50<yang>same thing with "journalctl -u mariadb.service"
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06:50<jm_>anyway, systemctl list-units -a will show it
06:50<yang>Failed to list units: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1ž
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06:51<jm_>yeah you're not on systemd yet, so just start the script manually
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06:58<yang>were you referring to init.d script ?
06:58<jm_>yeah
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07:01<yang>this was from previously http://paste.debian.net/plainh/a281872d
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07:04<yang>there is nothing written inside /var/log/mysql ....http://paste.debian.net/plain/974509
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07:07<yang>/etc/init.d/mysql start
07:07<yang>[FAIL] Starting MariaDB database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
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07:09<yang>http://paste.debian.net/plainh/7d17141f
07:09<yang>looks like it cant bind to the port, therefore failing probably
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07:10<grawity>run `sudo fuser -n tcp 3306` and check
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07:11<yang>right, the port was taken by another process, so it couldn't bind up
07:11<yang>because of the VPS
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07:12<grawity>what does "VPS" have to do with it?
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07:14<yang>well if it tries to bind to 0.0.0.0 and that port is taken on the host and VPS tries to bind to that, it will fail
07:14<yang>OK so now the error is only filetraq related still http://paste.debian.net/plainh/baf88249
07:17<grawity>yang: don't VPSes normally have their own kernel, and therefore a completely separate 0.0.0.0 from th ehost?
07:17<grawity>even containers sold as "VPSes" run in a separate netns and cannot affect the host netns
07:17<yang>grawity: not on this virtualisation...nope
07:17<grawity>then it's not even a "VPS" ._.
07:17<jm_>my VPS is debian but has non-standard host kernel, 2.6.32 or whatever
07:18<grawity>jm_: likely an openvz container
07:18<jm_>grawity: yeah something like that
07:18<grawity>which definitely has a separate 0.0.0.0 for every virtual server, for example
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07:19<jm_>indeed, I run my own sshd
07:19<grawity>even lxc and systemd-nspawn can do that
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07:34<yang>thank you jm_ , hvala
07:37<jm_>yang: no problem, I didn't do much anyway
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08:07<yuhlw>I do use unattended-upgrades. But I'd like to be able to reboot only a few days after the patch beeing apply. The idea is to reboot the machine depending on its label ["production", "qa", "test"] or if it belongs to a cluster.
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08:08<yuhlw>llandon: thanks, that's what I somehow did it. But I was wishing a "debian" way of doing it of knowing if the kernel needs to be rebooted.
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08:47<brenlae>hi, i installed debian stretch rc4 about 3 or 4 weeks ago, how can i be sure it's upgraded to the final debian 9 release?
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08:48<brenlae>would apt upgrade do it?
08:48<abrotman>yes, are there any held packages?
08:48<abrotman>you can paste your sources.list also, to be reviewed
08:48<bremner>apt dist-upgrade
08:48<brenlae>k
08:48<brenlae>hmm brb
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08:51<brenlae>this is what it outputs when i type apt dist-upgrade: https://pastebin.com/bjWPxPK2
08:51<brenlae>so it seems to be updated
08:51<bremner>apt update first
08:51<brenlae>k
08:53<brenlae>ah there we go
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08:53<brenlae>about 20 mb update
08:53<brenlae>bremner: thank you :)
08:54<brenlae>ere more than 18
08:54<brenlae>hmm neat
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08:56<brenlae>brb
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09:01<brenlae>there, after a reboot it says all packages are up to date
09:01<brenlae>:)
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09:03<brenlae>it took about hmm.. 5 minutes to download all the upgrades
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10:51<annadane>yes, this is the height of all laziness, but is there a package that tells you whether the package you're about to install is non free? not vrms because you can only use vrms once the package is installed
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10:56<mikegrb>If it doesn't exist yet... ifff would be a great name for it, 'ifff $package' read as if and only if free $package
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10:56<mikegrb>if free, install it
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11:03<annadane>actually i kind of wouldn't want that because it's just more terminal dialog to get through
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11:05<MarkedOne>Can you pls help me how to edit /etc/init.d/boinc-client so that it is not started like "/usr/bin/boinc" but instead "optirun /usr/bin/boinc" boinc can't see or access my dedicated GPU
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11:06<grawity>hmm
11:06<grawity>does optirun do anything special that couldn't be replicated with `export DRI_PRIME=1`?
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11:08<MarkedOne>grawity: I don't know. I just know that when i use "sudo service boinc-client stop && optirun /usr/bin/boinc --dir /tmp/ && sudo service boinc-client start" in jessie it could find GPU,,...
11:08<MarkedOne>I have to type it on every restart..
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11:12<bluca>probably changing the BOINC_CLIENT variable near the top would be enough
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11:13<bluca>that's if you are running with sysv
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11:14<bluca>with systemd you probably could: sudo systemctl edit boinc-client
11:15<bluca>and type in:
11:15<bluca>[Service]
11:15<bluca>ExecStart=
11:15<bluca>ExecStart=/bin/sh -c '/usr/bin/optirun /usr/bin/boinc --dir /var/lib/boinc-client >/var/log/boinc.log 2>/var/log/boincerr.log'
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11:16<MarkedOne>bluca: Hmm yeah i see it in sudo service boinc-client status... But when i look in script boinc-client I cant see that line...
11:16<blast007>there is a /etc/default/boinc-client file that defines the BOINC_CLIENT variable. Tried just changing that?
11:16<bluca>make sure you are not running with systemd first
11:16<bluca>otherwise see above
11:17<MarkedOne>blast007: Yeah.. but when I look at status it is just bin/sh -c /usr/bin/boinc --dir /var/lib/boinc-client >/var/log/boinc.log 2>/var/log/boincerr.log'
11:17<MarkedOne>how can i make sure if i am running systemd?
11:18<bluca>systemctl status boinc-client
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11:20<MarkedOne>bluca: yes, active and running.. so i need to "sudo systemctl edit boinc-client"
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11:23<somiaj>MarkedOne: the package most likely provides a unit file in /lib/systemd/system/fooo.service/, you can copy that unit file (or make modifications to it) by including a unit file in /etc/systemd/system.
11:23<bluca>that's what systemctl edit does
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11:24<bluca>only in a better way, as you don't need to copy everything, just to override what you need to change
11:24<bluca>so as upstream/maintainers change things, it will inherit them
11:24<somiaj>ahh awsn't sure about the 'edit' feature, I did know you didn't need to copy the whole unit file, only the things you want to change.
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11:26<MarkedOne>bluca, somiaj: Thank you
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11:55<undefined_>hi
11:55<undefined_>need a hwh
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11:56<mtn>what is a hwh?
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12:02<jelly>help with h...eavy connection issue?
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12:12<annadane>we'll never know. it has disappeared into the mists of time
12:13<jgould>Maybe he figured it out...
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12:20<devils-ey3>wellcome
12:21<asgardianboy>Hi people. Here some RAID / mdadm questions that might have been asked before. I have already used Google. Answers I have been getting are not working.
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12:22<asgardianboy>I am using Debian Jessie on a NAS server. Bunch of WD drives in RAID1. A 4TB mirror, plus 2 3TB mirrors. They are linked together with LVM.
12:22<asgardianboy>Oh sorry, the third one is still out of the vg. Only the other 2, 7TB total.
12:23<asgardianboy>The 3 mirror is ready to be added. I can stop it and assemble it no problem.
12:23<asgardianboy>The other 2 I can't stop them. Why would I stop them, I explain later on.
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12:24<asgardianboy>But for now, any of you can tell me why I am getting that "mdadm: Cannot get exclusive access to /dev/md1:Perhaps a running process, mounted filesystem or active volume group?"?
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12:25<asgardianboy>Important: nothing is mounted. I unmounted the LVM LV, no problem.
12:25<asgardianboy>But the 2 LVM mirrors can't be stopped.
12:25<asgardianboy>Any idea?
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12:31<grove>asgardianboy: Show us the complete interaction (that is input and output) on a pastebin
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13:10<deep42thought>Hi, I currently updated my debian-router to stable and now it breaks every vew days - currently I'm hunting down "ifup[22647]: sysctl: cannot stat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/eth0/accept_ra: No such file or directory", but I can't find, where ifup takes that path from (there is a level "conf" missing). Any hints are appreciated :-)
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13:11<bremner>deep42thought: have you maybe encountered renaming of interfaces?
13:11<deep42thought>no, they're the same
13:12<deep42thought>the correct path would be "/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/accept_ra"
13:12<deep42thought>note the additional "conf§
13:13<MarkedOne>Do you know which fonts gnome on debian jessie has used?
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13:21<cae>the BTS spam reporter seems to be broken ("An error occurred. Dammit. Error was: opening spammedbugs: Permission denied."), so I'm reporting here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=854361#54 contains spam
13:21<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/854361 in duperemove (open, patch): «duperemove: "Enhances" btrfs-progs»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-03-16; last modified: 2017-02-06.
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13:24<awal1>cantarell, if i'm not wrong, MarkedOne
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13:26<horoboro>hi. I forgot everythin so could you help please: what would be the best way to install package from testing into stable deb?
13:27<Blacker47>cae, can confirm, spamreporting don't work (there).
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13:39<ilmaisin>hello
13:39<ilmaisin>is it normal that a Stable is rather buggy when it is released
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13:40<ilmaisin>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865303 on i386, LOo Writer won't run at all
13:40<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/865303 in src:linux (closed, confirmed, patch): «libreoffice: Libreoffice Java features crash with Linux 3.16.43-2+deb8u1»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-06-20; last modified: 2017-07-01.
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13:41<ilmaisin>the bug is closed but it is not really fixed and should be reopened
13:42<MarkedOne>awal1: Thank you, i will take a look at it
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13:44<ilmaisin>i am really becoming more and more confident that the days of megadistros that package "everything" are over, there is too many things to test and maintain, world has became too complicated for that approach
13:45<bremner>it might also be that the days iof i386 are passed
13:45<bremner>very few developers use i386
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13:46<deep42thought>bremner: that's sad, because it's running on my router
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13:46<bremner>I guess libreoffice will not run well on your router
13:46<deep42thought>true
13:46<deep42thought>too less ram
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13:47<ilmaisin>bremner: but debian still officially supports it, the point is that debian "supports" so many things that comprehensive testing is difficult
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13:50<bremner>are you running an old kernel, as discussed in that bug report?
13:50<ilmaisin>many features result in an enormously large test matrix :(
13:50<ilmaisin>bremner: no, have all updates installed via apt
13:51<bremner>that's really not the question. What kernel version are you running?
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13:51<bremner>uname -a can tell you
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13:51<ilmaisin>bremner: yeah, wait a moment
13:51<dondelelcaro>it's inevitable that as hardware becomes more and more unusual, things aren't as well tested for it
13:52<ilmaisin>bremner: 4.9.30-2+deb9u2
13:52<dondelelcaro>our testing has always been best effort, and in general, that works great
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13:52<bremner>ilmaisin: then you are following up to the wrong bug
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13:52<dondelelcaro>if you want something specific tested, though, you'll have to do the testing
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13:52<ilmaisin>bremner: ?
13:53<ilmaisin>bremner: should there be a completely new report?
13:53<bremner>ilmaisin: you should first search the libreoffice bug reports for the correct one, then if needed open a new bug
13:53<ilmaisin>hmm
13:53<ilmaisin>ok
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13:58<denisbr>Hi, Have any documentation with tip for install the debian in laptop with windows 10 and UEFI protection ?
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14:05<deep42thought>found it - I had a malicious post-up entry in /etc/network/interfaces
14:05<deep42thought>:-)
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14:32<uso>What happens when I restart the systemd-journald.service? Do I lose the current journal? Do I _only_ lose the journal or does it (negatively) affect other services?
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14:33<grawity>you don't lose anything
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14:33<grawity>older versions do however break "stdout to journal" logging for all services
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14:34<uso>then I'm curious why needrestart always disables the restart for the journal service...
14:34<grawity>that was fixed somewhere around v219+
14:34<uso>(as default)
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14:35<uso>ok, so it's safe to restart it?
14:35<uso>can I also restart the dbus service?
14:36<grawity>as I said, journald was made restartable somewhere around v219+
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14:36<grawity>– and I've no idea whether you're on jessie or stretch or what
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14:37<uso>still on jessie, and systemd is older there (215)
14:37<grawity>dbus-daemon is generally not restartable, since that closes all the client connections
14:37<grawity>well there you go
14:38<uso>what kind of client connections? do I need dbus at all on a server? the only dependency is systemd, which recommends it
14:39<grawity>run `busctl --system --acquired; busctl --system --unique` and see
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14:41<uso>only systemd and the busctl is listed, does that mean I don't need it?
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14:44<uso>even on my desktop system it does not list anything else, good :)
14:44<grawity>on my desktop system the latter shows ~70 connections, so
14:44<grawity>it varies
14:45<uso>I do not use gnome, that's probably the reason
14:46<uso>so can I ignore the systemd connection and restart the service? does systemd reconnect automatically?
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14:51<uso>the dbus service even is restarted automatically when you stop it, probably through the socket, and the systemd connection also is back again, so it looks safe to restart it
14:52<uso>I'm tempted to remove it, though :)
14:56<uso>I guess I need to explore that busctl command a bit, thanks grawity
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15:56<Guest352>hi
15:56<Guest352>spanish
15:56<bremner>!es
15:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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16:27<hoerup>I have a nfs issue- have 2 vm's - both distupgraded from 8.8 to 9 - one mounts a nfsv4 perfectly - the other mounts the same nfs volume as a 16mb volume (but it is 30TB)
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16:52<jelly>hoerup: so you merely see incorrect volume size, but otherwise file access works?
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16:52<jelly>hoerup: do both clients have the exact same kernel? uname -a?
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16:53<hoerup>jelly, yes both are at same kernel version
16:54<hoerup>on the one that mounts incorrectly - it can't see the files
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17:26<zs>debian 8 user for about a year, recently switched to debian 9...apt-get update produces way more lines while running than it did in 8. sources are from ftp.us.debian
17:26<somiaj>zs: any paticular reason why this is an issue? Care to share the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net
17:27<somiaj>also on debian 9, apt updates itself once a day so apt-get update sin't needed as much
17:27<zs>getting .gpg not readable by user "_apt"
17:27<zs>am I missing something from visudo?
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17:28<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974631/
17:29<somiaj>zs: care to paste the actual output you are getting if you are getting errors.
17:29<zs>sure
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17:29<zs>see above link for 'apt-cache policy'
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17:29<somiaj>yup, saw that.
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17:30<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974632/
17:30<zs>^apt-get update output
17:30<somiaj>apt-get update gives me 7 lines here, so unsure what could be the issue. I use deb.debian.org over ftp.us.debian.org, but that shoudln't matter
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17:31<zs>right it was set to deb.debian.org & was getting same thing. switched to ftp.us.debian thinking it might be related but i dont think so
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17:31<zs>this was a fresh install from usb a few days ago so no upgrade shenanigins
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17:32<zs>only thing ive done out of the norm is add-architecture i386 to allow for steam install
17:32<somiaj>care to share your /etc/apt/sources.list
17:33<somiaj>also the contents of any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
17:33<zs>sources.list > http://paste.debian.net/974633/
17:34<somiaj>I think your lines 6 and 7 need to be security.debian.org, though maybe deb.debian.org deals with that now too.
17:36<somiaj>I don't use the stretch-updates repo, that one may contain daily update files and produce more output than what I'm getting.
17:36<zeta>dropping the google repo might be good idea until the other issues are resolved
17:36<zs>can you share your sources.list?
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17:36<oiuzfxs>HAPPY NIGGERS DAY!! quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: jelly xiqy SCHAPiE Infiltrator mpmc jhr rymc[m] lbf squat Dagger smuxi cdesai siamezzze tjis VampiricPadraig meepmeep voxelblob[m] goofybud16[m] Yoda-BZH guardian nowhere_man Gathond marick lordievader lupine nullsign brians_ Otter wargreen MeanderingCode mtj astra_ Out`Of`Control zeromind LinuxNinja Ritalin strugee quux TheSuperGeek narcan NomadJim_ default ledixus strm mtn breitenj gluon captnfab mths Kow
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17:36<soluaklj>HAPPY NIGGERS DAY!! quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: kelsoo lordievader tda daemonkeeper PigeonWhisperer verboese adhawkins Stummi imperia olasd jmic REiN lionel duclicsic mtj hydrazine Zimsky abernard Arcade Pavr Arrowmaster koniu iKarith the-dude Guest133 mtn JCaesar dl9pf tsimonq2 gruetzkopf lupinedk CustosLimen atozsacv manio pitelpan reedip dxld Phylos debhelper noahm muz jipege fron[m] mots_ ttelford kelkoobenoitr tacocat LeLutin andi- Kurocon
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17:36<zspul>HAPPY NIGGERS DAY!! quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: Pavr hydrazine manio rburkholder ghavil|wtf tajnyman PigeonWh muep XeryusTC V`ger ifvoid in1t3r_ csnxs trench_ teward carlos nix-7 Svetlana jrtc27 julienvdg tacocat d3d83at BOHverkill ryouma uhoreg hiq[m] rjsalts Kow sjefen6 zebiran einar PeterR arlen brians_ poz2k4444 Jay[m] pavi[m] kanobe ralph gandalf_ koniu meebey yztljwl roxer Ritalin rootbeer dtw coldeq[m] SpeedyG zs
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17:37<edvmysc>HAPPY NIGGERS DAY!! quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: bzed olspookishmagus CompWizrd Guest69 default ohithere {4144} tim_s007 alex espectalll[m] bill-auger MisterC Q-Master gotohome[m] jamesmc poz2k4444 mikegrb CurryMath[ tuvwx_ arcadius3d[m] larissa nix-7 Caesar Anarka kmshanah uhoreg Dhole Svetlana rah arrsim systmkor kscd noahm nover fstd Guest178 leosilva U039b jalcine kelsoo dalbuquerque_ ralph MillerBoss gandalf_ jrklein IDrinkMilk testian Guest133 shunzero
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17:37<zeta>dpkg: tell zs about sources.list
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17:37<zeta>the bot should give you an example
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17:37<somiaj>zs: output of ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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17:39<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974634/
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17:40<somiaj>zs: chmod 644 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg and try again
17:40<somiaj>zs: give us the full output of apt-get update after that.
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17:42<zs>heres apt-get update after chmod 644 > http://paste.debian.net/974635/
17:43<zs>also sources.list has been reverted back to deb.debian as shown by bot information
17:44<somiaj>zs: do you have the package debiankeyring and debian-archive-keyring installed?
17:44<spacebug^>can anyone recommend an USB bluetooth audio dongle with support for aptx, that works under linux?
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17:45<zs>debian-archive-keyring package is installed
17:45<zs>version 2017.5
17:46<zs>just 'debiankeyring' search in synaptic shows no results
17:47<somiaj>unsure what the issue is, but you have having troubles with your
17:47<somiaj>debian-keyring is the name of the package
17:47<somiaj>you could try to reinstall the keyring packages and see if they update your trusted.gpg file to contain the correct keys
17:47<zs>ok so 'debian-keyring' is NOT installed
17:47<iKarith>Fix that :)
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17:48<somiaj>maybe reinstall debian-archive-keyring too
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17:49<zs>do i run this package with an argument or do i just install/re-install them
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17:50<somiaj>apt-get install debian-keyring
17:50<somiaj>apt-get --reinstall install debian-archive-keyring
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17:51<zs>yeah i know the install process, but theyre just packages that need to be installed, no run function?
17:51<somiaj>unsure why this is was not correctly setup by the installer and if you should worry about trust/man-in-the middle issues
17:51<somiaj>installing them should update your keyring autmoatically with the postinstall script
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17:52<zs>postinstall script run if re-installed via synaptic?
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17:53<zs>hmm after install & re-install still getting same output from apt-get update
17:53<zs>i found it odd there would be issues with a fresh install
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17:53<somiaj>what install image did you use?
17:53<zs>installed from gnome live iso so i'm kinda lost
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17:54<somiaj>the live images are not as relabalbe as the offical installer
17:54<somiaj>I would almost suggest a reinstall using an offical installer, not a live-image
17:54<zs>netinstall?
17:54<somiaj>did you install from inside the live enviroment, or boot directly into the installer
17:54<zs>it was downloaded from the debian site
17:54<somiaj>netinstall, cd1 or dvd1 all work
17:54<zs>boot into installer
17:55<somiaj>the live images are offical, but all the work during the release is put into the offical installer, not the one on the live image, those just have less testing on them as the offical installer
17:55<zs>no shit never knew that
17:55<somiaj>I'm unsure at this point if it is worth trying to reinstall from an offical installer or fix the issue.
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17:56<somiaj>I don't know the details of the apt-keys to be of much help to fix it, execpt paste the errors you get in google and start reading.
17:56<zs>ok thanks for the help
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17:56<somiaj>others maybe able to fix the issue and fix your current install.
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18:15<Walex>zs: I am not totally clear what your problem is: do you have a working installed system? Is the only problem with running 'apt-get update'?
18:15<zs>yes that is correct
18:16<zs>let me repost output of apt-get update
18:16<zs>...
18:16<Walex>zs: I have seen that.
18:16<zs>oh ok
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18:17<zs>well first problem/question is why is it outputting so many Ign: lines? shouldnt it be less than 10?
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18:17<Walex>zs: don't worry about that.
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18:17<zs>next would be 404 Not Found on security.debian.org/debian
18:17<Walex>zs: that's odd indeed.
18:18<Walex>zs: let's verify from basics...
18:18<Walex>zs: is your 'sources.list' the same as here? https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
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18:19<zs>yes
18:20<zs>well...
18:20<Walex>????
18:20<zs>security was 3rd(which i dont think would matter)
18:20<zs>but i cp/pasted exactly from the above link...
18:20<Walex>zs: order does not matter.
18:21<zs>and now i dont get 200 lines of output
18:21<zs>and that was all i changed at this point
18:21<Walex>zs: weird...
18:21<Walex>zs: what do you get now?
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18:22<zs>so the 404s are gone but i get public key not available for stretch-updates InRelease
18:22<Walex>zs: only for that?
18:22<zs>& deb.debian.org/debian stretch Release.gpg
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18:23<Walex>zs: have a look here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg00001.html
18:23<zs>do you have experience with public keys?
18:23<Walex>zs: we need to make sure net that you have those keys in the APT keyring, and check that the fingerprint matches.
18:24<Walex>zs: the various commands and intro is here: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
18:24<Walex>zs: what does 'sudo apt-key list' say?
18:24<zs>im confused though..if it outputs the keys to me why do i have to add them?
18:24<Walex>zs: please paste it.
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18:25<zs>shouldnt i not show keys per someone else signing them?
18:25<Walex>zs: it is telling you that you need a public key with that name, because it has found the name of that key in the repository table of contents.
18:26<Walex>zs: that "show keys per someone else signing them" I don't understand.
18:26<zs>me neither just read it somewhere..like I said keys are a new concept for me
18:26<Walex>zs: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#How_to_tell_apt_what_to_trust
18:27<TobiX>zs: Actually, you don't need debian-keyring, only debian-archive-keyring...
18:27<zs>currently have both installed
18:27<TobiX>zs: Can you paste the output of "apt-key list" somewhere?
18:27<zs>debian-keyring was NOT installed by default but debian-archive-keyring was
18:27<TobiX>Well, yes. debian-keyring is quite useless to end users
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18:28<Walex>TobiX: he needs the ftp=masters and the archive and srelease public keys, we need to check they are installed.
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18:28<Walex>TobiX: unless they use non-standard repos with packages signed by the DDs.
18:28<zs>ftpmaster@debian.org is present in output
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18:29<Walex>TobiX: zs given that you have said you don't know about keys, I asked you to paste the output of that command.
18:29<zs>its safe to post that output online?
18:29<Walex>ooops only for 'zs'
18:29<Walex>zs: yes.
18:30<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974646/
18:30<TobiX>Walex: debian-keyring isn't even integraded with apt. Only debian-archive-keyring is...
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18:31<Walex>zs: so we need to check that the current list contains the two keys mentioned in that email message
18:31<zs>email?
18:32<Walex>zs: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg00001.html
18:32<TobiX>zs: Those keys match what is on my system - I suspect the keys are not the problem...
18:33<zs>even with 'unknown'?
18:33<TobiX>(Except if you are activly attacked, which is unlikely)
18:33<TobiX>zs: Yes.
18:33<Walex>zs: so lines 22 and 29 match
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18:34<TobiX>zs: The trust is "unknown" for gnupg, since you only have those keys, but no trust path to them - but that is irrelevant for apt
18:34<Walex>zs: there is the possibility that the installation was done on unreliable media, so bits of the install are missing. So we are checking things very pedantically.
18:34<zs>ok
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18:35<TobiX>somiaj: trusted.gpg isn't used anymore for official keys
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18:36<Walex>the next check is to attempt to install a totally banal command and see if that works.
18:36<Walex>zs: try 'apt-get install tmux'
18:36<Walex>zs or 'apt-get install aptitude'
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18:37<zs>installs just fine
18:37<Walex>zs: both of them?
18:37<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974647/
18:38<zs>yes
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18:39<MjrWingnut>has anyone compiled a cstom kernel in stretch
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18:39<Walex>good, now do: aptitude search "~b"
18:39<zs>aptitude search "~b"
18:39<zs>lol fuckl
18:39<TobiX>dpkg: tell MjrWingnut about anyone
18:39<Walex>zs: that should list any "broken" packages if any.
18:40<zs>0 output
18:40<Walex>zs: so all packages have all dependencies and are fully configured.
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18:40<zs>yes
18:40<Walex>zs: let's now try 'apt-get dist-upgrade --dry-run'
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18:40<TobiX>zs: And the sources seem to have correct signatures now, since apt wasn't complaining... Strange...
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18:42*Walex suspects IO issues....
18:42<zs>installed new pkg "libjsoncpp1"
18:43<zs>remove "firefox-esr-l10m-be"
18:43<Walex>zs: with "--dry-run" it won't have installed it
18:43<zs>and upgrade a whole shit ton of firefox-ser... packages
18:43<zs>i know
18:43<zs>thats what it would have done...what it outputs
18:43<Walex>zs: good stuff, as firefox is upgraded often.
18:44<zs>yeah i dont use firefox, havent removed it yet
18:44<zs>but if i dis-upgrade for real i get untrusted sources warning
18:44<Walex>zs: paste them.
18:45<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974650/
18:46<Walex>zs: that's the "--dry-run" which doers not have signature errors.
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18:49<zs>right
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18:54<zs>so if i add the missing keys per https://chrisjean.com/fix-apt-get-update-the-following-signatures-couldnt-be-verified-because-the-public-key-is-not-available/
18:54<zs>it should fix the issue
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18:54<zs>but what i dont understand is why.
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18:56<Walex>zs: I have no idea what you have done, you are doing, or what current errors are happening if any, and you seem to know better, so good luck.
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18:57<zs>well ok, did i piss you off cuz it sounds like i did
19:00<Walex>zs: I am simply unable to help if you don't let me know what is happening. I have to keep in my mind a puzzle that mirrors your current situation and unfortunately I am one of the few people on IRC who is not psychic :-)
19:01<zs>im sorry, if you are still interested in helping what information do you need?
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19:07<Walex>zs: "i get untrusted sources warning
19:07<Walex>zs: "i get untrusted sources warning" "paste them."
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19:09<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974652/
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19:11<Walex>zs: try again 'apt-get update' and past the output of that too.
19:12<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974654/
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19:14<Walex>zs: it is very strange that 'stretch-updates' needs a different key, also you need the google key
19:14<Walex>zs: I'll do a web search about 'stretch-updates'
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19:19<Walex>zs: can't find them yet.
19:20<zs>when i try to add the keys i get this ' An error occurred during the signature verification.'
19:20<Walex>zs: if you know what you are doing, what do you ask for help?
19:21<zs>i dont know what im doing
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19:22<Walex>zs: if you don't know what you are doing, why do you add keys you don't knwo about when instead I am double checking stuff?
19:22<zs>i thought i was on the same page as you but i guess not
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19:23<zs>im trying to be proactive about learning about this...dont want you to think im just sitting here staring off into space not trying to help myself either
19:24<TobiX>zs: Could you remove the google repositories for now - to reduce external influences?
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19:24<zs>yes
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19:25<Walex>zs: there is something very wrong... the key with summary "8B48AD6246925553" is the wheezy/7 one
19:25<TobiX>zs: Also maybe check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* and /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* for "strange" entries?
19:26<zs>google is removed
19:26<bremner>did we see the output from "apt policy" yet?
19:26<Walex>TobiX: if you look at: http://paste.debian.net/974654/ it says "Err:7 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease" and "Err:9 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch Release.gpg"
19:27<Walex>bremner: http://paste.debian.net/974631/
19:27<zs>etc/apt/sources.list.d/ not contains only base.list & base.list.save
19:27<bremner>mixed i386 and amd64? I'm out.
19:27<zs>now*
19:28<Walex>and 7638D0442B90D010 is the key for Jessie.
19:28<Walex>zs: is this a fresh install or a new installation?
19:28<Walex>zs: is this a fresh install or an old installation?
19:28<zs>fresh
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19:30<zs>jessie was on this same sdd but complete format during stretch install
19:31<TobiX>zs: Did you use deb.debian.org form the start?
19:31<Walex>zs: I am checking the repo table of contents at http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch-updates/
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19:32<zs>orig was deb.debian.org
19:32<zs>changed to ftp.us.debian ---yielded same results & switched back to deb.debian
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19:33<TobiX>zs: Can you reach http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/Release.gpg with a browser?
19:33<zs>yes
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19:34<Walex>TobiX: please double check, but here "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch-updates/InRelease" seems signed with "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>"
19:34<Walex>and that does not make sense
19:36<Walex>zs: I suspect some mishap in the repository. But the keys seem valid Debian ftp-masters keys
19:36<TobiX>Walex: That is correct. To be precise, it's signed with 2 keys
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19:36<TobiX>Both, the "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" and the "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (8/jessie) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" key
19:37<Walex>TobiX: the standard install of stretch/9 does not add to the APT keyring those keys... but the recommended 'sources.list' has got 'stretch-updates' by default. This will confuse a lot of people.
19:37<Walex>zs: the fix is simple...
19:38<TobiX>Walex: But it does. My stretch systems have all those keys.
19:39<TobiX>I cannot explain zs' problem at the moment...
19:39<TobiX>We seem to be missing some crucial piece of information...
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19:41<Walex>zs: just do for now: apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8B48AD6246925553
19:42<Walex>zs: apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 7638D0442B90D010
19:42<TobiX>I doubt that will fix his problem...
19:42<zs>keyserver.ubuntu.com?? not keyserver.debian.com?
19:42<Walex>zs: which ones does not matter, and I just checked and it has them
19:43<TobiX>zs: Stupid question: Is your clock set correctly?
19:43<zs>yes
19:43<TobiX>Was worth a try ;)
19:44<Walex>zs: do the same also for 1397BC53640DB551 and A040830F7FAC5991
19:44<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974657/
19:44<Walex>zs: those are the Google keys
19:45<Walex>zs: they all seem legitimate.
19:45<zs>apt-get update still yields same results
19:45<Walex>zs: with 'sudo'?
19:46<Walex>zs: all the APT commands need 'sudo'
19:46<zs>no, lets try again
19:46<Walex>zs for installing
19:46<Walex>zs: they don't need 'sudo' for searching/listing
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19:46<Walex>zs: also add the 2 google keys, do 4 runs of "apt-key adv"
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19:47<Walex>TobiX: it is just quite weird that the 'stretch-update' repository is signed with Wheezy and Jessie keys.
19:48<Walex>it is not a backports repo :-)
19:48<zs>yeah no change in apt-get update after adding those keys
19:48<Walex>zs: can't believe you.
19:48<zs>?
19:49<TobiX>Walex: He had those keys already, so your commands changed nothing
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19:49<Walex>zs: what does 'apt-key list' say?
19:49<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974658/
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19:50<Walex>TobiX: no, because "zs" claimed tha he had only these: http://paste.debian.net/974646/
19:51<Walex>getting confused now...
19:51<TobiX>Walex: That are the same keys...
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19:52<TobiX>zs: Try to move away the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg file and retry the "apt-get update"
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19:52<TobiX>I suspect that file is corrupted
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19:52<zs>ok this is my current ouput for apt-get update
19:52<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974659/
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19:53<Walex>zs: just in-case try 'apt-get --reinstall debian-archive-keyring
19:54<Walex>zs: just in-case try 'apt-get install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring
19:55<zs>ok
19:55<zs>done
19:56<Walex>zs: now 'sudo rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin' just-in-case
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19:57<Walex>zs: sudo apt-get update
19:57<zs>same results
19:57<TobiX>zs: Which files are in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d? any of those not called debian-archive-*.gpg?
19:57<zs>let me look
19:58<zs>none
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19:58<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974660/
19:59<Walex>zs: paste also 'md5sum /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/*'
19:59<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974661/
20:00<Walex>zs: and to as "TobiX" suggested, 'sudo mv /etc/apt/trusted.gpg /etc/apt/trusted.gpg-old'
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20:00<TobiX>zs: Could you run "apt-get update" with "-oDebug::Acquire::gpgv=true" - that drops a whole lot of debug output...
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20:01<zs>ok...
20:01<zs>sudo mv /etc/apt/trusted.gpg /etc/apt/trusted.gpg-old'
20:01<zs>no longer receive errors on apt-get update
20:01<zs>i did sudo rm like previously suggested with not result
20:02<zs>but moving to -old seemed to have worked
20:02<Walex>zs: that's really weird
20:02<TobiX>zs: Seems like Google Chrome broke your trust files. Nice.
20:02<Walex>zs: paste now as a curiousity: ls -ld /etc/apt/trusted.gpg* /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/*
20:02<zs>update now yields ... http://paste.debian.net/974662/
20:02<TobiX>Maybe Google's apt repository isn't updated for stretch yet?
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20:03<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974663/
20:03<Walex>zs: the Chrome repo seems missing
20:03<zs>it is now because i removed it
20:04<TobiX>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32 Jul 1 15:57 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg-old
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20:04<zs>i took your early advice and removed it completley as to fix the first issue first
20:04<TobiX>32 Byte is not a valid GPG file
20:04<Walex>zs: you should always say what you do or we lose syunc with the state of your system
20:04<zs>im sorry i was sure i did
20:04<TobiX>Probably confused the hell out of apt-key...
20:04<Walex>zs: cat /etc/apt/trusted.gpg-old
20:04<TobiX>Walex: I suggested to remove the Google repo...
20:05<Walex>TobiX: oh i missed that.
20:05<zs>cat /etc/apt/trusted.gpg-old -- just a few symbols
20:05<Walex>zs: file /etc/apt/trusted.gpg-old
20:05<TobiX>xxd instead of cat?
20:06<zs>http://paste.debian.net/974665/
20:06<Walex>zs: check 'df' and 'dmesg | less'
20:07<zs>df --- http://paste.debian.net/974666/
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20:07<Walex>zs: looks good. Check the dmesg' for IO errors...
20:07<Walex>zs: or filesystem probles.
20:08<Walex>zs: files don't get truncated to 32 bytes randomly.
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20:10<Walex>zs: ideally I mean :-)
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20:11<TobiX>Wow, Google uses strange keys in their Chrome package: pub dsa1024 2007-03-08 [SC]
20:11<Walex>TobiX: Google can do whatever they want :-)
20:11<TobiX>(But they don't break apt-key, so that's not the problem)
20:11<zs>didnt see an errors in dmesg id post but it wont let me copy the whole thing
20:11<Walex>zs: don't copy it, just scan it.
20:12<Walex>zs: error messages should be something that jumps to the eye
20:12<zs>well like stated earlier the live image iso could be the culprit?
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20:12<Walex>zs: that could be.
20:12<zs>yeah i looked through it visually -- i meant copy to paste to show you
20:12<Walex>zs: yes, thanks, but not necessary for that.
20:12<Walex>zs: I forgot: file /etc/apt/trusted.gpg-old
20:13<zs>what about it?
20:13<Walex>zs: what does it say? Which type does it print?
20:13<zs>trusted.gpg-old: GPG keybox database version 1, created-at Sat Jul 1 19:57:57 2017, last-maintained Sat Jul 1 19:57:57 2017
20:14<Walex>zs: subtly different, here it says "GPG key public ring", but I am using a system with an older GNUPG
20:15<Walex>zs: something happened on "Sat Jul 1 19:57:57 2017" or later that truncated it.
20:16<Walex>ahhhh interesting
20:16<zs>that would have been the day i installed, i believe
20:17<zs>would be interesting to install using same image on diff machine and do absolutley nothing and see if i get the same issues
20:17<Walex>zs: and what does 'file /etc/apt/trusted.gpg' say instead?
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20:18<zs>nothing because that files does not exist
20:19<zs>trusted.gpg-old is a file & trusted.gpg.d dir contains .debian-archive...gpgs
20:19<Walex>ahhh interesting: "https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852473
20:19<zs>thats whats in /etc/apt
20:19<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/852473 in apt (open): «apt-key list includes keybox GPG format»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-01-24; last modified: 2017-01-24.
20:19<Walex>"apt does not support the GPG keybox format"
20:20<Walex>"This can lead to user confusion wherein `apt-get update` fails due to NO_PUBKEY, but `apt-key list` appears to confirm that the key is known"
20:20<zs>from january
20:20<Walex>this is from a few months back. So probably not quite fixed yet in the live image or something
20:22<zs>where on debian.org do i find gnome .iso thats not live image
20:22<Walex>combined with 'stretch-updates' being signed with the version 7 and 8 keys but not the 9 one, that will create a fair bit of confusion
20:22<zs>i can only find net-inst & xfce
20:23<Walex>zs: you can install minimal and then add 'gnome-desktop'
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20:23<Walex>zs: there is no really gnome-specific install
20:23<zs>thats all that i saw just wanted to make sure i wasnt overlooking it
20:24<zs>to the key files are .gpg
20:24<Walex>zs: it is a bit more complicated than ".gpg" :-)
20:24<zs>* sp the key files are .gpg but stretch doesnt support keyobx format?
20:25<Walex>zs: GNU PG has "recently changed the format of its key archive.
20:25<Walex>zs: "recently" means that it will take years before every tools that uses GNU PG keyrings will get update.
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20:26<zs>so moving it to -old removed the data within and when apt-get update was ran debian-archive-keyring re acquried the correct data?
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20:29<Walex>zs: the correct data was already there. But because it was a "too new" format they could notr be added to '/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' because it was in an unsupported format, because too new.
20:29<Walex>zs: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110500/how-to-regenerate-etc-apt-trustdb-gpg-on-debian
20:30<Walex>zs: actually do the "Method #1". You can delete "lists.old".
20:31<zs>i see, the unsupported method was to store the data in a file and the new method is to store each key in the directory instead?
20:31<Walex>zs: yes
20:31<Walex>zs: actually it is crazier than that.
20:32<Walex>zs: it is a pile of crosspurposes.
20:33<zs>thank you guys so much for the help and knowledge/info/links. cheers!
20:33<Walex>zs: in version 9 the keyring '/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' is no longer needed, but it was created anyhow, with a format that is "too new" and it unsupported by APT. So it stayed empty.
20:34<Walex>zs: but apparently if it does exist it is used instead of '/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/', excep that the latter are displayed by 'apt-key list' :-)
20:35<Walex>zs: so it can happen that '/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' stays empty but 'apt-key list' shows all the right keys
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20:35<Walex>huge pile of trouble.
20:36<Walex>I'll submit an overall bug report referrencing existing ones.
20:37<Walex>zs: the outline is explained in that page I mentioned earlier: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
20:37<Walex>zs: but I guess you have by now scanned it.
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23:43<brendanki>Hi
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23:55<annadane>hi
23:55<annadane>!ask
23:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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