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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-07-06

---Logopened Thu Jul 06 00:00:45 2017
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00:00<mnuhmnuh_>note, my fave games are bash and perl. and go (cgoban; truly cool thingamahooy, for a non-gamer).
00:01<snapcrack>you are odly dualistic. people can enjoy both games and programming.
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00:02<jmcnaught>there's an adventure game that teaches you vim
00:02<snapcrack>and gary's mod teaches you quite a bit programming too
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00:03<snapcrack>you can write your own guidance system in that game. forget the language they used though.
00:03<snapcrack>among other things
00:03<mnuhmnuh_>snapcrack: i'm all over the map. never figured myself out, much less expected others to. have fun!
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00:04*mnuhmnuh_ Afterburner; ZZ Top
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00:06<BlueG>Weird. Removing some log files from /var/lib/mysql seems to have fixed it.
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00:09<mnuhmnuh_>snapcrack: ot, but nowadays i focus on how to get my boxes to invent ian m banks' Culture. i figure mine are the first Minds which started it all. we gotta get movin' on this ; war's comin'.
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00:11<mnuhmnuh_>BlueG: small fs, lack of space?
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00:14<snapcrack>haha. okey man.
00:14<snapcrack>you sure are colorfull
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00:19<mnuhmnuh_>snapcrack: er, what'd i do? no offense meant ... just drinkin' and blastin tunes; bein' a hippie. 's fun!
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00:20*mnuhmnuh_ Wang Chung To Live and Die In LA.
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00:24<mnuhmnuh_>snapcrack: that was not a "your dick's too short" thing. how could you even think ... ptheh. whatever!
00:25*mnuhmnuh_ Yes, "
00:25<mnuhmnuh_>Acoustic"
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00:28<jmcnaught>mnuhmnuh_: please keep it SFW
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00:33<mnuhmnuh_>jmcnaught: i try to keep my statements safe for newb exiles from win*. don't much care about their mgrs here, sry. they shouldn't be be using a box he can listen into.
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00:39<mnuhmnuh_>jmcnaught: #debian-offtopic? :-)
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02:46<kenny>hey
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03:20<kenny>fuccccck am single
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03:38<yuhlw>Hello, I saw that with strech comes a new naming convention for interfaces. eth0 becomes to me ens160. Is there a nice way (without sed,grep,awk) to get a list of the interface name.
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03:40<jm_>yuhlw: list of interfaces on system or what?
03:40<yuhlw>jm_:
03:40<duclicsic>yuhlw: look in /proc/net/dev
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03:41<duclicsic>or just run 'ip addr'
03:41<yuhlw>I was wishing of a command "ip" that list them all
03:41<duclicsic>or 'ip link'
03:42<jm_>yuhlw: yeah see above, ip link
03:42<duclicsic>if you want just the interface names you will have to process the output
03:42<jm_>or ls /sys/class/net
03:42<duclicsic>oh that works
03:43<duclicsic>even better :)
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03:59<tomg2>ifconfig -a lists all interfaces
04:00<tomg2>but I guess it's old-fashioned nowadays. there's also a way not to rename the devices if you want to get away from systemd
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04:07<lordievader>Ifconfig is old anyways, better use the newer iproute2 (the `ip` command).
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04:09<TuxoHolic>hello, anybody using a banana pi with Debian/Stretch and can assist with the latest installer? Seems nobody is home in #debian-boot
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04:38<popup>hi
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04:39<popup>so to answer for a "grub"
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04:42<popup>my grub /XP /kubuntu was working fine
04:42<jm_>if you need help with ubuntu, go here:
04:42<jm_>!ubuntuirc
04:42<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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04:42<Drzacek>Hello
04:42<Drzacek>No virtualbox-guest-additions in debian stretch?
04:43<popup>only 4 people there
04:43<popup>ubuntu chanel is a desert
04:43<popup>but now i remember it was a debian config
04:44<popup>my grub /XP /debianwas working fine....
04:44<jm_>Drzacek: there's no virtualbox at all it seem
04:44<popup>after update is goes wrong
04:44<jm_>what exactly did you update?
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04:44<popup>I dont know. I just clic "update some component"...
04:45<Drzacek>jm_, I'm reading wiki now that I need to add sources list, but I was able to install virtualbox with standard debian repos :/
04:45<jm_>Drzacek: which version is it you have installed?
04:45<popup>@jm_
04:45<Drzacek>oh wait, got confused with non free
04:46<popup>how to pm?
04:46<jm_>do not send private messages, continue here
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04:47<speed>hi
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04:47<popup>ok. the line windowsXP on /dev/sda2 fails now... going to black screen and then going back to grub menu
04:47<Drzacek>jm_, virtualbox 5.1.10_Debian r112026
04:47<popup>i search for OSprobe config
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04:48<popup>and bootInfolog
04:48<popup>..don't fine anything making it work
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04:48<jm_>Drzacek: looks like that was in testing/sid at one point, maybe you got it from there
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04:49<Drzacek>jm_, not sure, I installed it only last week, which is long after stretch went stable
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04:50<Drzacek>anyways, looks like I need to configure sources for jessie backports to be able to install guest additions. Seems excesively complicated
04:51<jm_>popup: for booting windows I use chainloading, if that doesn't work, you'll need to look at windows tools for fixing it
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04:51<jm_>Drzacek: that's rather odd as jessie backports has 5.1.8 and 5.1.10 entered debian in 2016, sid has 5.1.22
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04:56<Drzacek>http://paste.debian.net/975059/ my sources.list. I added jessie-backports, did apt-get clean, then update - still says I have newest version when I want to install virtualbox (5.1.10-dfsg-1)
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04:56<Drzacek>is german mirror borked? :D
04:57<petn-randall>,v virtualbox
04:57<judd>Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.22-dfsg-2
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04:57<jm_>makes sense since 5.1.10 is newer than 5.1.8 in jessie bpo
04:58<Drzacek>oh right, that weird version naming
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04:59<Drzacek>I'm used to single digit versions, so 4.1.2 will always seem newer that 4.1.193 to me
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05:02<jm_>I looked in apt.term.log to see if one can find out where it's downloaded from and there's no URL info in it, just the part after download phase, rather unfortunate
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05:19<drunken_gorilla>hi
05:19<drunken_gorilla>how can i find out which files will be written to by apt-get upgrade?
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05:23<drunken_gorilla>can i use apt-get -s upgrade?
05:23<drunken_gorilla>sorry got disconnected
05:26<grove>drunken_gorilla: That will tell you what packages will get upgraded, using `dpkg -L` on them will give you a list of files that might be changed (and then you have to add the files that apt itself uses to record state)
05:27<drunken_gorilla>ok, thx!
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05:38<umlaeute>hmm, since I upgraded to stretch, i have a problem with a proxy for apt and https:// sources.
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05:39<umlaeute>the https source is marked as DIRECT (to bypass the apt-proxy), but the source does a re-direct to *another* https host, which then gets caught by the proxy (since i don't have a DIRECT rule for the redirected host)
05:40<umlaeute>is there a way to mark *all* https sources as DIRECT (that is: no proxy)?
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06:12<ronan>O/ all
06:13<ronan>J'ai un soucis sur un serveur debian... Une des interfaces réseau est conenctée à un routeur 4G; J'obtiens bien une IP locale, je peux d'ailleurs l'utiliser pour me connecter en ssh sur le serveur... Par contre pas d'accès internet sur cette interface. Je précise que le même routeur sur mon PC me donne un accès internet sans soucis.
06:15<jm_>!fr
06:15<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
06:17<ronan>ok in english :) So, I connected an 4G router on one ethernet interface, I successfully obtain an IP and I can use this IP to connect (locally) by ssh. But I don't get internet access on this interface (working on an other computer)...
06:19<drunken_gorilla>can you ping an arbitrary ip on the net, for example 8.8.8.8?
06:19<Drzacek>so you CAN english. Why would you even try french in the first place :/
06:19<ronan>ing -I eth4 google.fr
06:19<ronan>PING google.fr (216.58.204.131) from 192.168.18.102 eth4: 56(84) bytes of data.
06:19<ronan>From 192.168.18.102 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
06:20<jm_>is your default route setup correctly?
06:20<ronan>Drzacek: sorry, was just thinking to be on french chanel at starting... ;)
06:20<Drzacek>:P
06:21<drunken_gorilla>if you are fluent in multiple languages it happens sometimes - I think
06:21<ronan>jm_: ? how can I chack that?
06:21<drunken_gorilla>ip route
06:21<ronan>oh yes, I check
06:21<jm_>ronan: «ip r» or «route -n»
06:22<ronan>this seem to be ok,
06:22<ronan>able de routage IP du noyau
06:22<ronan>Destination Passerelle Genmask Indic Metric Ref Use Iface
06:22<ronan>default 10.201.4.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
06:22<ronan>10.201.4.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
06:22<ronan>192.168.15.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1
06:22<ronan>192.168.18.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth4
06:22<ronan>eth1 is another internet intterface
06:23<jm_>wait your GW is 10.201.4.1, but 4G router is eth4 no?
06:23<drunken_gorilla>yes, it says eth4 above
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06:24<ronan>yes 4G router is on eth4. eth1 is another local network with internet access, working correctly
06:24<duclicsic>in that setup you will send internet traffic via 10.201.4.1 out of eth0
06:24<jm_>indeed
06:24<ronan>I did ping -I eth4
06:24<duclicsic>doesn't matter
06:24<ronan>so...
06:25<ronan>I even try the router alone on eth0, same result
06:27<duclicsic>without getting into policy routing and suchlike you can't have multiple functioning internet connections, the default route is where all traffic for networks other than your own will be sent. currently that route points out of eth0. you need to remove that and add a new one for this 4g connection.
06:27<peetax>hello, how can I manually insmod a module from the initramfs shell ? I forgot to include it in the initramfs and my device cannot boot anymore, so I copy it from a usb drive into its expected location in the /lib/module/ hierarchy, but insmod complains about a lot of "symbol unknown". What am I misising ?
06:27<peetax>I do the above in the initramfs shell
06:28<jm_>peetax: did you use modprobe or insmod?
06:28<peetax>insmod
06:28<jm_>use modprobe, you may be missing more files if it still complains
06:28<ronan>duclicsic: anyway to get this two interfaces working for incomming connexions?
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06:28<duclicsic>ronan: policy routing and maybe a bit of iptables magic
06:29<duclicsic>ronan: the issue is that replies will always be sent out of the interface your default route references
06:30<ronan>ok. I will search about and try to get this working
06:30<duclicsic>i think if you run a policy route that matches on source address you can probably force the traffic out of the interface the original request came in on
06:30<peetax>jm_: modprobe exits with error code 1, but no message, and my module is still not loaded
06:31<jm_>peetax: so maybe you need some extra stuff, also in the past one had to run depmod -a when updating modules, not sure if that's still the case
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06:33<ronan>duclicsic: but, sorry, I don't understand one thing, when I test with only the 4G router on eth0 this don't work...
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06:33<ronan>I mean in place of the actual eth0 network
06:33<peetax>jm_: nope, depmod -a doesn't fix it
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06:34<duclicsic>ronan: without being able to see the state of your routing table when doing that I can't speculate as to why it doesn't work
06:34<duclicsic>please don't paste it into the channel though, use pastebin
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06:35<jm_>peetax: in that case my only idea is it needs more files
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06:37<peetax>jm_: ok i'll check for it, thanks
06:37<duclicsic>ronan: it might be easier if you explain what you're trying to achieve, rather than explaining your attempted solution
06:38<jm_>peetax: no problem
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06:48<ronan>duclicsic: THX !!!
06:48<ronan> ping -I eth4 google.fr
06:48<ronan>PING google.fr (216.58.208.195) from 192.168.18.102 eth4: 56(84) bytes of data.
06:48<ronan>64 bytes from par10s21-in-f3.1e100.net (216.58.208.195): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=33.8 ms
06:48<ronan>64 bytes from par10s21-in-f3.1e100.net (216.58.208.195): icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=27.8 ms
06:48<ronan>^C
06:48<ronan>--- google.fr ping statistics ---
06:48<ronan>2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
06:48<ronan>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 27.847/30.860/33.873/3.013 ms
06:48<ronan>PING google.fr (216.58.208.195) from 10.201.4.161 eth0: 56(84) bytes of data.
06:48<ronan>64 bytes from par10s21-in-f3.1e100.net (216.58.208.195): icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=7.11 ms
06:48<ronan>64 bytes from par10s21-in-f3.1e100.net (216.58.208.195): icmp_seq=2 ttl=51 time=5.26 ms
06:48<peetax>jm_: you were right ! I'm on the right track now thanks
06:48<ronan>created an new route table and all is fine now
06:49<jm_>peetax: enjoy
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07:42<olspookishmagus>ok I got fed up with the recent SPAM bloom in debian-user
07:42<olspookishmagus>and I want to add a filter to all those who sent or even REPLIED to spam messages
07:43<olspookishmagus>is it against the mailing lists policy to use any other language except english?
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07:45<itd>olspookishmagus: Sending a mail in a language other than English is often against the "Code of conduct" [1] - not sure if that is the same thing. [1]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
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07:50<olspookishmagus>itd: indeed - all those pond scums (spammers) and all those who joke around them with silly replies are all blacklisted in my filters - good riddance
07:50<olspookishmagus>there should be a policy saying that if you reply or fwd or joke around a spammer's thread you should expect to get blacklisted as well
07:52<olspookishmagus>add "call for papers" and "conference callouts" to that too
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08:08<igalisme>hey guys
08:09<igalisme>I got a question, can anybody help me?
08:09<petn-randall>!ask
08:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:09<petn-randall>igalisme: ^^^
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08:11<fanto666>hello, I submitted debian bug by a mistake - how do I close it?
08:11<igalisme>I'm trying to get in Steam and I can't. I'm on Debian 9 xfce, this is the output when I'm typing steam in terminal (it doesnt do something when clicking on the icon)
08:11<igalisme>ILocalize::AddFile() failed to load file "public/steambootstrapper_english.txt".
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08:12<petn-randall>fanto666: usually by sending a mail to <bugnumber>-close@bugs.debian.org.
08:12<grove>fanto666: Isn't that in the mail you got acknowledging creation of the bug?
08:13<fanto666>grove: no
08:13<igalisme>I tried to find anything in google, there's alot of people who had it in ubuntu, arch etc. none of them helped me
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08:25<petn-randall>,v steam
08:25<judd>No package named 'steam' was found in amd64.
08:25<petn-randall>,v steam --architecture i386
08:25<judd>(versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
08:25<petn-randall>,v steam --arch i386
08:25<judd>Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; buster/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2
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08:50<grove>Can you change the reporter of a bug in the BTS? For reasons I don't remember I have reported a bug from my work e-mail that I would prefer to have registered to my personal address. I have also reported bugs from several addresses at work that in different ways end up in the same mailbox, getting an overview of all those bugs would be good, instead of having it seperated by whatever address I ...
08:50<grove>... used (some of it is because the complany changed it's name)
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09:01<jelly>you should be able to, lemme try on an old report of mine
09:01<jelly>that domain is now adead
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09:06<joe03>Hi, how can I disable software raid auto assemble on Debian 9? Already googled a lot and tired a lot but nothing worked until now.
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09:34<drunken_gorilla>hi
09:34<drunken_gorilla>any plans to bring back apt-transport-debtorrent?
09:34<drunken_gorilla>i think downloading packets over torrent is pretty cool
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09:36<jelly>,v apt-transport-debtorrent
09:36<judd>Package: apt-transport-debtorrent on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.2.2+b1
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09:38<drunken_gorilla>oh but there is apt-p2p now!
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09:41<matias>--help
09:41<matias>hi
09:41<drunken_gorilla>hi
09:41<matias>ok, wanted to see if it worked
09:41<matias>bye! :)
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10:24<petn-randall>!chat
10:24<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
10:25<petn-randall>hm, they left.
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11:23<jelly>grove, yeah, using the submitter command works.
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11:25<tda>i am using rednotebook extensively and happily, and i understand it is not in stretch repos. Any recommendations for alternative?
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11:29<jelly>grove, see https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-refcard and just send a message with a line like: submitter 9999999 Your Name <your.new.address@example.org>
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11:56<mnuhmnuh_>tda: never heard of rednotebook; i see notebook-gtk2. related?
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12:02<blast007>tda: see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=749259 and https://github.com/jendrikseipp/rednotebook (which you might be able to build on stretch)
12:02<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/749259 in rednotebook (closed, buster, sid, stretch): «rednotebook: depends on python-webkit which is deprecated»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-05-25; last modified: 2017-07-01.
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12:21<larissa_>Has anyone here been able to successfully install debian testing on the new Dell XPS 2017 9560?
12:24<sun>no
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12:25<zeta>larissa_: #debian-next for testing questions
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12:25<mnuhmnuh_>larissa_: send it over, and i will. you may not get it back anytime soon, though. forewarned is forearmed, and all that. :-)
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12:27<larissa_>zeta, so sorry, should have read the topic, my bad, it won't happen again
12:27<mnuhmnuh_>larissa_: np. :-)
12:28<tda>blast007: thanks
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12:31<sun>i am beginner in linux so please suggest me any good book name
12:31<sun>?
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12:33<lindi->sun: what do you want to do? desktop? server?
12:33<TuxoHolic>Hello , Debian/Stretch user here trying to install samba server: Error output after install https://paste.debian.net/plainh/0bc8ad5f it could be related with https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828137
12:33<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/828137 in samba (closed, pending, confirmed): «samba does not install and fails to start»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-06-25; last modified: 2016-08-01.
12:33<zeta>i'd suggest the debian handbook, but i think it hasn't been updated for stretch yet
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12:37<Walex>TuxoHolic: comment 7 in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1658273
12:37<sun>lindi: both
12:37<annadane>sun, https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/links-for-helpful-linux-articles-and-books-4175433508/
12:37<Walex>TuxoHolic: the problem is that then package installation fails.
12:38<Walex>TuxoHolic: you can work around that by hand-editing the postinstall script.
12:38<annadane>sun, and yes https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ but it hasn't been fully updated to the latest release yet
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12:39<TuxoHolic>Walex: nasty, but I'll try ... can you help me with a pastebin what needs to change in postinstall?
12:40<sun>thanks but i need hardcopy books you know wich is used in real life use like server etc..
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12:41<sun>annadane*
12:42<annadane>sun, this one is pretty good https://www.amazon.com/Linux-Command-Line-Complete-Introduction/dp/1593273894/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1499359348&sr=1-1&keywords=linux
12:43<sun>okey thanks annadane
12:43<annadane>of course the benefit of online versions of linux books is that they can be kept up to date whereas a hardcover book will get out of date
12:44<annadane>the website for it is http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php/ which has an online edition
12:44<sun>what is difference between unix and linux
12:44<annadane>anyway, this is a bit off topic, let's take it to #debian-offtopic
12:45<TuxoHolic>Walex: there is even a suggestion of a workaround in the bugreport I mentioned: "sudo systemctl mask samba-ad-dc.service ; sudo apt-get install -f" I tried this and it did not help .
12:47<sun>i am using parrot studio os
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12:47<annadane>sun, this is a channel for support, let's not just chat
12:48<annadane>again, there's #debian-offtopic
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12:49<sun>sorry
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12:51<annadane>incidentally
12:51<annadane>!based on debian
12:51<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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12:53<mathieu>hi, what's the best way to prevent services from starting automatically when they are installed?
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12:53<mathieu>I found some hints about messing with /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d, but that feels abit baroque :x
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12:56<TuxoHolic>mathieu: systemctl disable nanana.service
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12:56<mathieu>also, all the articles i found talking about this seem to predate systemd, so I'm not sure that still works
12:56<mathieu>TuxoHolic: that's... not what I asked?
12:56<mathieu>TuxoHolic: I can't disable the service before it is installed; and when installing it, it automatically gets started, which I want to avoid
12:57<TuxoHolic>sorry then, I never had that problem
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12:58<mathieu>I understand, it's often not a problem :)
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12:59<TuxoHolic>mathieu: can't you just clean up whatever that service did before you started it?
13:00<mathieu>how do I know what it did?
13:00<mathieu>and why would I let it do it in the first place?
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13:01<mathieu>I'm installing things as part of an ansible playbook, having to automate the install/stop/cleanup/config/start is much more complex and fragile than just install/config/start
13:01<mathieu>but the latter requires not starting services automatically when they get installed
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13:02<itd>mathieu: Maybe 'systemctl mask foo.service' -> install foo -> 'systemctl unmask foo.service'.
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13:03<mathieu>that's an intersting trick :)
13:03<mathieu>Unit foobar.service does not exist, proceeding anyway.
13:03<mathieu>Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/foobar.service → /dev/null.
13:03<mathieu>hahaha, it even works :)
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13:04<mathieu>still, it requires masking, installing then unmasking, but it's better than letting the service start automatically I guess :-/
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13:07<grawity>whether the unit will be enabled is defined by systemd "presets"
13:07<grawity>whether it gets started is still to this day covered by policy-rc.d
13:08<mathieu>yeah, presets are pretty great
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13:08<mathieu>I wish there was something similar for starting services :)
13:11<mathieu>and policy-rc.d only covers the automatic start/stop of packages at package install/upgrade/remove? or does it also apply to something else I need to know about?
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13:15<grawity>it covers all usage of invoke-rc.d, which is meant for automated usage during package install/upgrade/remove
13:15<grawity>although it also covers logrotate calling `invoke-rc.d … reload` which you probably want to allow
13:16<mathieu>yeah :-/
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13:18<grawity>http://sprunge.us/YbAi >_>
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13:48<mathieu_>grawity: nice
13:48<mathieu_>thanks :)
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15:25<J701>hi
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15:41<Cytre>Hello. I have a question about Stretch. I've been working on a PHP project and then upgraded to Stretch on release. The project is now having an issue since I use mysqli::fetch_all(). This mysqli method relies on php5-mysqlnd, but Stretch does not have this package in the repository. How do get and add this package?
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15:42<dramont>how can i identify in a channel if i get redirect to another one?
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15:44<dramont>i try connecto to #ubuntu and freenode redirect it me to #ubuntu-unregged which i only get notifications
15:45<mnuhmnuh_>Cytre: if there's no smarter (?) fix, /usr/local is your friend. it's there for the admin to dump anything not debian or official linux. i had to do afio from there at one time; works great.
15:46<mnuhmnuh_>Cytre: as in, dload upstream source blob, build/install in /usr/local.
15:47<Cytre>mnuhmnuh_: So you mean get the package, build/install to there and then reconfigure php to use it?
15:47<mnuhmnuh_>dramont: use irssi?
15:47<Cytre>@mnuhmnuh_ Can I not install the jessie package?
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15:48<dramont>mnuhmnuh_, in the #ubuntu-unregged channel? it doesnt allow me to send messages i guess
15:48<mnuhmnuh_>Cytre: you say debian doesn't provide what you want? grab upstream's source and build && install it /usr/local.
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15:49<Cytre>mnuhmnuh_: Stretch doesn't have the package but Jessie does/did
15:49<jmcnaught>dramont: it means that you need to register with NickServ to join the channel. There is a #freenode channel for IRC network support on freenode
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15:51<mnuhmnuh_>Cytre: i'd expect jessie's ver. would build on stretch. could be wrong, and i may be leading you down the wrong path. there may be a much simpler fix for your prob. i don't know about.
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15:53<Cytre>mnuhmnuh_: Yeah, I was thinking about trying the Jessie package, but am hesitant about it. TBH, eventhough I've been using Debian for 5+ years and Linux for about 10, I never really build anything from source. Don't really know how to add this package to php after bulding on my own either.
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15:55<itd>Cytre: Just to be sure: the php-mysql package in stretch does not provide what you need?
15:57<Cytre>itd: Correct. I have the php5-mysql installed and the mysqli::fetch_all() method does not work, but under Jessie it did. I upgraded my Jessie install to Stretch on the release weekend, and just now noticed this issue. According to all searches, mysqli::fetch_all() requires mysqlnd, and according to the Debian packages list Jessie has this. Stretch doesn't.
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16:00<itd>Cytre: Can you describe in which way that command fails to work?
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16:01<mnuhmnuh_>Cytre: "aptitude search mysqlnd" mentions php-mysqlnd and php7.0-mysqlnd, both "v" (virtual) pkgs. that means something else provides it?
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16:02<Cytre>itd: Indeed. The log shows PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined method mysqli_result::fetch_all() and I do not receive the data that is pulled from the DB
16:02<mnuhmnuh_>php7.0-mysql
16:02<mnuhmnuh_>apt-file search
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16:03<Cytre>mnuhmnuh_: I'm not sure. I've been looking at the Debian package information here and it lists Jessie and Sid but not Stretch. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/php5-mysqlnd
16:04<Cytre>I had php5 installed on Jessie, but when upgrading to Stretch PHP7 has been installed additionally.
16:04<itd>judd rprovides php-mysqlnd
16:04<judd>Package php-mysqlnd in stretch/amd64 is provided by: php7.0-mysql.
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16:05<mnuhmnuh_>"apt-file search mysqlnd" on my stretch says php7.0-mysql.
16:05<Cytre>itd: so that means the php5 package is not available anymore? I do wan't to get into PHP7, but here at work we have PHP 5.6 projects too and this is one of them.
16:07<itd>Cytre: Yes, see https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#newdistro
16:07<Cytre>itd: confusing. I tought Stretch had both versions
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16:08*mnuhmnuh_ hates corp. conservatism. behold the turtle; he only makes progress by sticking his neck out. :-)
16:09<itd>Cytre: I'm not that into PHP, but AFAIK php5 is not part of stretch.
16:09<Cytre>mnuhmnuh_: indeed
16:10<Cytre>itd: Makes sense to me, I read about Stretch on some tech pages and they made it sound like Stretch has both
16:10<Cytre>Is PHP7 back compatible with PHP5.6 code?
16:10<itd>dpkg php5
16:10<dpkg>php5 was removed from archives Jan 2017. See https://bugs.debian.org/841781 and <php>
16:11<itd>Cytre: No idea, sorry.
16:11<Cytre>in terms of me being able to ues PHP7 server and write php56 code
16:11<Cytre>ah, ok. no worries
16:11<itd>Cytre: http://php.net/manual/en/migration70.php
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16:11<mnuhmnuh_>itd: yabut an F77 compiler ought to be able to parse '50's fortran, you'd think? don't php think that way?
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16:12<Cytre>So basically, uninstall all php5 packages left on my system and run php7.
16:13<TobiX>mnuhmnuh_: API stability seems to be out of style nowadays...
16:13<mnuhmnuh_>Cytre: got another box you can use as "testing" platform?
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16:15<mnuhmnuh_>TobiX: yeah, lots of needless churn goin' on this century. there must be money in it somewhere.
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16:15<Cytre>mnuhmnuh_: We have servers that still run php5. It's just my dev env that is having that issue since upgrade to Jessie. I don't mind going full php7, but I have to make sure the code will run on the php5 servers
16:16<itd>mnuhmnuh_: Luckily I'm not that proficient in php. (The same holds for Fortran.)
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16:23*mnuhmnuh_ never actually wanted to do any web dev, so php is only interesting from a perl hacker pov. i'm stretching my knowledge of it with that.
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16:26<Cytre>I removed all php5 packages from my system, now I have to get php7 to work, but I'm looking forward to the change. Thanks for your support.
16:26<Cytre>I'm a PHP and Python dev. PHP with the typical stack: HTML/5 CSS, JS etc
16:27<Cytre>but I prefer backend coding over frontend
16:27<mnuhmnuh_>Cytre: bright side, you can give your boss a heart attack! Change?!? Noooooo ...
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16:30<Cytre>haha, Yeah :D
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16:31<mnuhmnuh_>keeps 'em awake.
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16:33<Cytre>All I need now is to get PHP7 to run on apache after purging all php5 packages :/
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16:38<mnuhmnuh_>Cytre: in a perfect universe, you'd just update a line in /etc/default/php ... i wish. :-|
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16:42<Cytre>mnuhmnuh_: Yup. Nothing there ^^
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16:46<Cytre>Have it. Works now and the fetch_all works too.:)
16:46<Cytre>I like the fairly straight forward config of apache on debian
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16:52<Cytre>Thanks a lot for the help and pointers.
16:53<mnuhmnuh_>Cytre: stay tuned, and help someone y'self. :-)
16:55<Cytre>always :) I do that everyday
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16:56<Cytre>I will add this servre and chanel to my irc client. It's the first channel I found in years on IRC that isn't silent :)
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16:58<bremner>is there a sensible "minimal gnome" install? gnome-core already looks a bit large
17:00<annadane>yes it's called not installing gnome and only installing select packages from gnome where you see fit which should be "never"
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17:00<mnuhmnuh_>bremner: mate's nice. as in a sensible gnome sense.
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17:01<mnuhmnuh_>annadane: go figure: i've despised kde since day one because of how it looked. odd, no?
17:02*dboles grabs popcorn
17:02<mnuhmnuh_>:-)
17:02<bremner>yeah, great. I don't really need more gnome hate, I run i3 personally.
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17:07<Cytre>*prefers KDE* >)
17:08<mnuhmnuh_>bremner: you don't need all of gnome to run _a_ gnome app. ditto kde, ... install app, it'll drag in what it needs, and run in whatever env. you provide.
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17:10<mnuhmnuh_>bremner: it may not run _as hooked in_ as it might within a gnome env, but that's fixable, usually.
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17:11<bremner>yeah, I'm setting up a VM for classroom use
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17:13<annadane>bremner, i'm sorry. not being serious, just having a bit of fun
17:13<annadane>thought it was too good to pass up
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17:19<mnuhmnuh_>annadane: easily amused? flamewar!
17:19<annadane>very easily amused. i will proceed to shut up.
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17:24<mnuhmnuh_>annadane: yeah, and stellarium is to die for. even a broken clock ...
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17:46<hthoreau>Evening.
17:46<hthoreau>I tried installing the GitLab package provided at the stretch repository, and it exited with "error code (1)"
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17:47<hthoreau>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3c30c54e/
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17:48<royaei>hi
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17:49<royaei>h r u?
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17:49<blast007>!bat
17:49<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
17:49<annadane>!chat
17:49<mnuhmnuh_>hthoreau: are you sure you've completed upgrading jessie --> stretch? that's a lot of stuff that needs doing.
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17:49<blast007>hthoreau: see what dpkg wrote there about apt-get
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17:50<blast007>oh, actually, you might just need a better hostname defined
17:51<hthoreau>blast007: I used localhost when asked.
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17:51<trinity>NIGGAS, WHEN YOU ARE RIDING YOUR NIGGER BICYCLES AT NIGHT PLEASE SMILE SO PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU..THANKS..quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: dlahn fooctrl ifvoid Brando753 coruja Orbitrix Zic Tempesta guardian antgel milosz[m] drabard lpalgarvio[m] arlen maker lionel phunatique sauron vincent_c debchange blathijs themill albertsh dade[m] Gabba[m] musca ghormoon satbyy junkmechanic ribe y0sh kenoby mathieu_ mypapit fiete sebbo adema valdyn saschatrebbin TomasCZ nkorb _a
17:51<trinity>NIGGAS, WHEN YOU ARE RIDING YOUR NIGGER BICYCLES AT NIGHT PLEASE SMILE SO PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU..THANKS..quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: markus-k snapcrack coruja BundyTed frostyfrog lindi- Natureshadow afx237 sep_ U039b SCHAPiE gturner hjst cdesai Ravvz gratuxri cae R ansel` coldeq[m] dustinm` Dhole eper3z unixnut dade[m] testian adema guardian TotallyNotKim koma yang gandalf_ towo^work Guest145 caraka jgould arcadius3d[m] Ganneff magyar maker in1t3r arlen tuvwx_
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17:51<notafile>pls no not again
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17:51<hthoreau>blast007: What dpkg wrote about apt-get?
17:52<blast007>hthoreau: nevermind about that, I hadn't scrolled down to the bottom of your paste
17:52<v17d>can such spam bots be banned via ip ?
17:52<mnuhmnuh_>what a nut.
17:52<notafile>hey, at least it defends now
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17:52<notafile>automatically
17:52<dboles>nvm that, just put some basic word filters on
17:52<notafile>well, there are
17:52<dboles>also ban .onion links
17:52<notafile>the messages just still get sent aparently
17:52<dwfreed>v17d: they use different IPs every time
17:52<LeLutin>v17d: they usually use a bunch of different IPs so it would be difficult
17:52<LeLutin>surely something can be done though
17:53*dboles doesn't know whether irc could support filtering in advance
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17:53<blast007>hthoreau: it's trying to use certbot (for Let's Encrypt) to generate an SSL certificate, but since you're not publicly hosting it with a FQDN, that's going to fail
17:53<v17d>But amount of ips is bounded. They cannot use different ip all their life.
17:53<mnuhmnuh_>dboles: why expend even that effort? what'd it do? nuffin.
17:53<dboles>ya, once they use 2 million or so, we'll get them for sure
17:53<notafile>well, the server relays messages so yes it could theoretically block them before. But that code probably just has not been written yet and the IRCd might not support it
17:54<LeLutin>also if they start using VPNs or tor and those IPs are blocked, then a bunch of legit ppl might be banned as well
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17:54<notafile>why would it not help though
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17:56<blast007>hthoreau: if you're not hosting public sites, you could remove certbot
17:56<mnuhmnuh_>dboles: well, okay, them testing their weapon should be something we should be watching out for. i stand corrected.
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17:58<hthoreau>blast007: I restarted the installation process to get all the informations asked here before. In the first prompt that pops up, it says "This should be the fully qualified name as seen from the Internet, with the domain name that will be used to access the pod." by default it offers me "localhost" as an option.
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17:59<hthoreau>blast007: Is "localhost" a "fully qualified name as seen from the Internet"?
18:00<mnuhmnuh_>hthoreau: i've always given it $whatever and $whatever.myisp.ca, and just expected it to figure the rest out itself. it does.
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18:01<umlaeute>i'm having trouble with linking against libjack on ubuntu 16.04LTS
18:02<mnuhmnuh_>$whatever here == hellboy. i've also used heretic, infidel, ...
18:02<umlaeute>oops, soory; wrong channel
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18:03<mnuhmnuh_>sorry if i spooked you?
18:03<mnuhmnuh_>life.
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18:07<blast007>hthoreau: are you intending to allow users from the Internet to access the gitlab install?
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18:16<jmcnaught>there are scripts for IRC clients to ignore mass messages. Svetlana in this channel has been helping people with them
18:18<hthoreau>blast007: Just myself. I intend to host in it my password valt using "pass".
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18:19<hthoreau>blast007: I mean, so that I can access it using my mobile phone.
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18:24<mnuhmnuh_>jmcnaught: me irssi. i see big blast of bs, and that's the end of it; ops killed 'em, carry on. no big deal here. no idea what they're up to. don't much care.
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19:02<annadane>alternatively people can stop acknowledging it and they might stop
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19:32<mnuhmnuh_>who acks it? like replying to african prince's spam offers? wut?
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20:04<k-man>i'm running stretch, with a libvirt/kvm guest win2k16 server. my computer keeps freezing up momentarily. i think its when the guest os is doing heavy io
20:04<k-man>how can i track down why exaclty the computer freezes? like if its io bound or something?
20:05<k-man>i have plenty ram btw. and its not going into swap
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21:17<gheorghe>i find it kind of hard to track VM MEM/CPU usage via htop
21:18<gheorghe>k-man i think collectd is what you need
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21:32<_marioxcc_>Hello.
21:35<_marioxcc_>I am trying to install Debian 9 from my hard disk. Currently I am running Debian 8. I can not find the "hd-media" vmlinuz and initrd.gz files. Where are them?I Note that I do NOT want to upgrade in place; I want a fresh install.
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21:37<hthoreau>Good night.
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21:38<hthoreau>I'm about to stabilish a SSH connection to Gitlab, and the terminal is asking me if I want to stabilish this connection.
21:38<hthoreau>"The authenticity of host 'gitlab.com (52.167.219.168)' can't be established. ECDSA key fingerprint is SHA256:HbW3g8zUjNSksFbqTiUWPWg2Bq1x8xdGUrliXFzSnUw."
21:39<hthoreau>I... Don't know how to verify a ECDSA key.
21:39<hthoreau>Or if I can do that having the key as the only parameter.
21:40<_marioxcc_>hthoreau: Gitlab should have a page stating what their fingerprint is.
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21:40<_marioxcc_>If you want to run the small risk of a man in the middle attack, then just tell SSH to accept.
21:40<hthoreau>_marioxcc_: NEVAH!
21:40<hthoreau>_marioxcc_: XD
21:41<hthoreau>_marioxcc_: I'm looking through it, but I can't seem to find it. Though it certainly seems something IMPORTANT TO MENTION.
21:43<_marioxcc_>Indeed, but most people are sloppy about security, and that includes site operators.
21:43<_marioxcc_>Where are the hd-media/initrd.gz and hd-media/vmlinuz mentioned in https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-hard-disk ?
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21:46<mnuhmnuh_>gheorghe: collectd: holy list of Recommends, Batman! looks like cups (*everything* drags in cups).
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21:48<blast007>_marioxcc_: http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/
21:49<blast007>(replacing 'amd64' with the desired arch)
21:50<_marioxcc_>blast007: Thanks. Where do these files come from? Is there any way I can verify them?
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21:57<blast007>_marioxcc_: that's on a normal debian package mirror, as far as I can tell. and a directory up are hashes.
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21:58<ronner>hi
21:58<_marioxcc_>blast007: Yes, but anybody can generate a hash. Is there any way I can verify that these files are the oficial ones and not tampered with?
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21:58<_marioxcc_>Also, how are these "hd-image" files generated? No information is provided about them.
21:59<ryouma>aren't there sigs?
21:59<_marioxcc_>No.
21:59<_marioxcc_>Just hashes.
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21:59<_marioxcc_>https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
21:59<ryouma>uncharacteristic
22:00<_marioxcc_>I have used these files for prevoius versions of Debian, but they have been mysterious. Where do they come from?
22:00<_marioxcc_>What is the source, for example?
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22:00<blast007>if you're concerned, why not install from the normal install media?
22:00<_marioxcc_>I have no optical media and no way to get them.
22:01<_marioxcc_>That is why.
22:01<blast007>no flash drives?
22:01<blast007>the Debian installer ISOs can be written to a USB flash drive and booted.
22:01<_marioxcc_>No. I have none.
22:01<blast007>maybe you should buy one then
22:01<_marioxcc_>I can't.
22:01<_marioxcc_>Don't ask. It is not helping me.
22:02<_marioxcc_>The situation is that I have to use hard disk install.
22:02<mnuhmnuh_>_marioxcc_: you've been in win* land way too long. :-) welcome. stick to official debian mirrors, and you're golden.
22:03<_marioxcc_>I have not used Windows since more than 10 years ago.
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22:03<blast007>mnuhmnuh_: it's entirely possible for linux servers to be compromised too. linux isn't a magic security bullet.
22:04<mnuhmnuh_>_marioxcc_: head to starbucks. free wifi, chat someone up to drag down what you want, buy 'em a latte.
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22:06<mnuhmnuh_>blast007: never said anything different. at one time, redhat installed w rsh enabled. debian did a "=" vs. "==" fart and broke ssh. shit happens.
22:07<ronner>hi guys
22:07<blast007>you pretty much did
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22:10<mnuhmnuh_>blast007: from your pov? maybe not what i meant? i am an anti-win bigot, but i think there's not much wrong with that opinion. it'd take a few days to explain all my reasons.
22:14<_marioxcc_>Hello. I want to install Debian from the hard disk. Apparently I have to use these http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ files. How can I verify them? What is the procedence of these files (initrd.gz and vmlinuz), how are they generated?
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22:15<mnuhmnuh_>blast007: botnets have been built on compromised linux boxes. the people pulling that !@#$ aren't lazy.
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22:18<mnuhmnuh_>_marioxcc_: i think you should download a live cd/dvd image, boot it (usbkey?), and play with it. or, assuming spare machine, install and play with it.
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22:19<_marioxcc_>mnuhmnuh_: I have no USB drive, that is the problem.
22:19<_marioxcc_>My *only* option is hard disk booting.
22:19<mnuhmnuh_>_marioxcc_: head to starbucks. free wifi, chat someone up to drag down what you want, buy 'em a latte.
22:20<jgould>How did you get the install of Jesse on the computer with no optical drive or USB Stick?
22:20<_marioxcc_>jgould: with hard disk booting, of course.
22:21<_marioxcc_>I think I used the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from within the ISO image, I do not remember, but anyway, I tried that already an dit does not work with Debian 9.
22:21<_marioxcc_>(the debian-installer loads up to a point, then it complains that I can't find his own CD image)
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22:24<jgould>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en
22:24<mnuhmnuh_>damn, wish i was there. it'd be so fun to fix. love that dragging them back to life stuff.
22:25<jgould>Wonder if I can still find me a 512 MB thumb drive to put the netinst image on just to carry with me
22:26<mnuhmnuh_>jgould: great link.
22:26<jgould>that was a qucik google searchj
22:27<_marioxcc_>jgould: I know that page already: I even referenced it (see chat log), but it is not what I am looking form.
22:28<mnuhmnuh_>_marioxcc_: know any geeks who might not need one of their usbkeys for 24 hr?
22:29<mnuhmnuh_>girls even?
22:30<_marioxcc_>I can't use USB memory drives. Don't ask why.
22:31<jgould>I have 4 thumb drives on my desk, another 6 or so in a drawer and one on my key ring...
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22:36<mnuhmnuh_>jgould: i bought four 4 gb sticks to build a raid array with 'em ('cause WTF?!? :-); still have two. i found an 8 gb, tried to give it back, owner didn't care ...
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22:40<jgould>mnuhmnuh_: do you have another box that you can use to host the contents of the ISO images?
22:41<jgould>mnuhmnuh_: never mind... wrong person and he left anyway
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22:43<mnuhmnuh_>jgould: present box is serving zenwalk via transmission. i've got ca. 1.3 TB space on this thing. :-) used to run distributed.net's dnetc on it, but i'm verging on paranoid these days. :-)
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23:04<Chalo>hola
23:04<Chalo>Alguien?
23:05<Chalo>hola
23:05<annadane>!es
23:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
23:05<Chalo>para que sirve este chat?
23:06<annadane>chalo, soporte de debian en ingles
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23:09*mnuhmnuh_ damn, i wish i grokked espanol. the most beautiful langage, imho.
23:09<annadane>i speak fluent google translate
23:10<mnuhmnuh_>golpe de estado is all i've done with it.
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