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---Logopened Tue Jul 11 00:00:06 2017
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00:12<jmcnaught>jgould: i usually buy used thinkpads because they're pretty tough and a good value at two-three years old, and usually run Debian really well
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00:15<jgould>Can the Ram be upgraded on them?
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00:15<jmcnaught>usually, you need to research it though
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00:16<jgould>My primary workhorse machine is my desktop, Linux and laptop is a harder build than this desktop was
00:18<jmcnaught>jgould: avoid anything that has dual GPUs, those can be a pain to get working properly on Debian. Another potential pain point is wifi cards, I try to avoid models with broadcom devices because some of them have non-free firmwares that are tricky to install.
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00:23<jgould>getting my wifi to work on my current MacBook Pro wasn't that hard once I found the firmware deb... Another thing I've noticed is that both Windows and MacOS use insane amounts of RAM. Debian with Xfce seems to do very well... I have a browser with 25 tabs open, VNC viwer, several consoles, Discord and a few other things running and I've only tied up 4 out of 32 GB of RAM on the desktop...
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00:28<Zimsky>close and delete discord and you should be all set!
00:29<jgould>Zimsky: I use it to talk to friends of mine... Firefox is my main user of RAM...
00:29<Zimsky>lies, anyone who uses discord clearly has no friends
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03:04<sandu2d>Hello
03:05<sandu2d>Can i get help here for packages update on debian 9 ?
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03:06<jm_>!ask
03:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:10<sandu2d>When I try to install libgtk-3-dev, I got this error: https://paste.gnome.org/pfoo0f5uo
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03:12<jm_>!bat
03:12<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
03:13<jm_>looks like third party repositories are involved? I can't see libgtk-3-0 3.22.12-1 in debian ATM
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03:15<sandu2d>1) command: https://paste.gnome.org/pitl0avyl
03:15<sandu2d>2) apt policy https://paste.gnome.org/pobncy3gq
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03:16<jm_>you need to provide at least this too apt-cache policy libgtk-3-0 gir1.2-gtk-3.0
03:17<jm_>that's point 2. from what dpkg said
03:17<sandu2d>libgtk-3-0: https://paste.gnome.org/phzo8ai7m
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03:17<sandu2d>gir1.2-gtk-3.0: https://paste.gnome.org/pcpy4m8qf
03:18<jm_>right so you installed libgtk-3-0 3.22.12-1 (and gir1.2-gtk-3.0) from somewhere else in the past, that's your problem
03:19<sandu2d>how can i remove them and reinstall to stable version ?
03:19<jm_>perhaps this can help find out where you got it from -- /msg dpkg which repo
03:20<jm_>tried apt-get install libgtk-3-0=3.22.11-1 gir1.2-gtk-3.0=3.22.11-1
03:20<jm_>?
03:20<sandu2d>no
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03:21<jm_>if that does not work try to replace them manually with dpkg and see what chaos that causes
03:22<sandu2d>apt-get install libgtk-3-0=3.22.11-1 gir1.2-gtk-3.0=3.22.11-1: https://paste.gnome.org/ptcwlpfiq
03:22<sandu2d>this halped, but not totally
03:22<sandu2d>sudo apt-get install libgtk-3-dev
03:22<sandu2d> :https://paste.gnome.org/prly48xqo
03:22<sandu2d>sudo apt-get install libgtk-3-dev: https://paste.gnome.org/prly48xqo *
03:24<jm_>try to include "problematic" packages in your install command, i.e. «apt-get install libgtk-3-dev libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev libpango1.0-dev libcairo2-dev libfontconfig1-dev» and see what apt suggests about it, I suppose it will want to remove some stuff first
03:24<jm_>also note this will not mark them as automatically installed
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03:25<sandu2d>same problem but with another packages https://paste.gnome.org/posseechu
03:25<jm_>I will be gone for a while now, hopefully someone else can help you
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03:26<sandu2d>ok
03:26<sandu2d>thank you
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03:28<sandu2d>Is here anybody ?
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03:32<grove>!anybody
03:32<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
03:32<jmcnaught>sandu2d's issue is clearly outlined above
03:33<annadane>sandu2d, people will answer you if they know. if it's been a while (read: probably more than half an hour) then you can ask again
03:33<jmcnaught>sandu2d: what do you get from "aptitude search '~i!~Astable'" ? (that's installed, not from stable archive)
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03:36<sandu2d>jmcnaught, I jave not installed aptitude, but if I try to install it, I got the same problem like before with another packages: https://paste.gnome.org/pqy5rkprq
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03:37<jmcnaught>oh that's right aptitude is priority optional now
03:37<sandu2d>I have apt-get
03:37<jmcnaught>aptitude's search filters are powerful, you maybe have been able to make a list of all the packages you need to reinstall with that filter
03:39<jmcnaught>sandu2d: can you show me "apt-cache policy aptitude" please?
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03:40<sandu2d>I did this steps and now I have aptitude installed
03:40<sandu2d>https://paste.gnome.org/pcbgdevnk
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03:41<sandu2d>aptitude search '~i!~Astable': https://paste.gnome.org/pjubpa13b
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03:42<sandu2d>apt-cache policy aptitude: https://paste.gnome.org/p08tnvfx7
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03:46<jmcnaught>sandu2d: i would perform "apt-get clean" to clear /var/cache/apt/archives of mysterious .deb files. You have a bunch of stuff installed from third-party repos that shows up in that search, is "aptitude search '~i ~Odebian !~Astable'" any different?
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03:47<sandu2d>aptitude search '~i ~Odebian !~Astable' - didn`t got any output
03:47<sandu2d>I executed: apt-get clean
03:48<RoyK>do people still use aptitude?
03:48<RoyK>!aptitude
03:48<dpkg>well, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude or http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9.
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03:48<jmcnaught>right, so i could help you with a command that will try to reinstall all of the packages in that list, but it might fail because of the third-party stuff
03:49<sandu2d>ok
03:51<jmcnaught>sandu2d: FYI you don't need to be root to run this test part: "aptitude -F '%p' search '~i!~Astable' | xargs apt-get -s -t jessie install"
03:51<jmcnaught>oh wait sorry s/jessie/stretch/
03:52<sandu2d>could yo please write again the command ?
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03:52<sandu2d>with correct syntax
03:52<jmcnaught>"aptitude -F '%p' search '~i!~Astable' | xargs apt-get -s -t stretch install"
03:52<sandu2d>thanks
03:53<jmcnaught>the -F tells aptitude to only output package names, it's piped to xargs which runs the apt-get command with the output piped to it appended to the command
03:53<sandu2d>https://paste.gnome.org/pz31m1ils
03:54<jmcnaught>"aptitude -F '%p' search '~i!~Astable' | xargs apt-get -s --reinstall -t stretch install" does adding --reinstall change things?
03:56<sandu2d>yep: https://paste.gnome.org/pokxsbt46
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03:58<jmcnaught>"aptitude -F '%p' search '~i!~Astable' | xargs apt-get -s --reinstall -t stable install" <-- changed target to stable from stretch
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03:59<sandu2d>execute without root access ?
04:01<jmcnaught>yeah
04:01<sandu2d>https://paste.gnome.org/pgsmdltlb
04:01<jmcnaught>apt/aptitude can both search without being root, and the apt-get command we're using has -s for simulate
04:02<sandu2d>oh, ok
04:04<jmcnaught>sandu2d: some of these seem to be jessie packages. like gcc-4.9, and firefox. Can you show apt-cache policy for those two?
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04:05<sandu2d>gcc-4.9: https://paste.gnome.org/p8ilwfmoi
04:05<sandu2d>firefox: https://paste.gnome.org/pdlgqq2k2
04:06<jmcnaught>sandu2d: "aptitude search ~o" for obsolete packages that can no longer be downloaded
04:07<sandu2d>https://paste.gnome.org/pou3d8nra
04:09<jmcnaught>sandu2d: so that's quite the list. you could do "aptitude remove ~o" to remove them, but some like virtualbox are not in stretch anymore so you'll need to find an alternative or another way to install it
04:09<jmcnaught>(aptitude also has a -s for simulate option)
04:10<sandu2d>but after how I can install packages again from strech repo ?
04:10<sandu2d>with apt-get update&upgrade ?
04:14<sandu2d>or manually ?
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04:17<jmcnaught>sandu2d: i'm going to have to leave soon, but you could try my aptitude | xargs command with stable as the target again after removing obsolete packages. Note that you could also try without xargs, I just prefer apt-get's resolver
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04:18<sandu2d>ok, thank you
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04:19<jmcnaught>sandu2d: something like "aptitude -s -t stable reinstall '~i!~debian'"
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04:20<sandu2d>it command will reinstall all packages, no ?
04:21<sandu2d>https://paste.gnome.org/p3aihcgsb
04:21<jmcnaught>and actually, i don't see the libgtk-3-0 gir1.2-gtk-3.0 packages in the output of that search, which just means you had a bunch of other obsolete packages in the way
04:22<sandu2d>apt-get install libgtk-3-0=3.22.11-1 gir1.2-gtk-3.0=3.22.11-1
04:22<sandu2d>because I did it
04:22<jmcnaught>oh
04:22<jmcnaught>sandu2d: "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-legacy"
04:22<sandu2d>https://paste.gnome.org/pvvhxuigq
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04:23<jmcnaught>oh and i see, i had a typo above it should have been: "aptitude -s -t stable reinstall '~i!~Adebian'"
04:24<jmcnaught>sandu2d: "apt-get install xserver-xorg-legacy=2:1.19.2-1+deb9u1"
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04:25<sandu2d>aptitude -s -t stable reinstall '~i!~Adebian': https://paste.gnome.org/punlykmkb
04:25<sandu2d>apt-get install xserver-xorg-legacy=2:1.19.2-1+deb9u1 - I did
04:26<jmcnaught>sandu2d: do you see the error at the bottom of your last paste about that package, do you still get that error?
04:26<sandu2d>I got this error:
04:27<sandu2d>E: Can't find a source to download version '2:1.19.3-1' of 'xserver-xorg-core:amd64'
04:27<sandu2d>But about the xserver-xorg-legacy package, no
04:27<jm_>shouldn't it be 2:1.19.2-1+deb9u1 for stretch?
04:27<jm_>i.e. 2-1 not 3-1
04:28<sandu2d>apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=2:1.19.2-1+deb9u1
04:28<sandu2d>i need to execute it ?
04:29<jmcnaught>sandu2d: your policy paste about that package https://paste.gnome.org/pvvhxuigq says you have a newer version of that package than what is available in stretch
04:29<jm_>it was the same with libgtk-3-0 etc.
04:30<sandu2d>jmcnaught, yes, and now i have this version: https://paste.gnome.org/pcvdptvak
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04:31<sandu2d>because i executed this command: apt-get install xserver-xorg-legacy=2:1.19.2-1+deb9u1
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04:33<jmcnaught>sandu2d: good, so earlier i was hoping that "aptitude search '~i~!Adebian'" would show us installed, not from debian archive packages, and it was returning a bunch of obsolete ones. I don't know if you removed those with "aptitude remove ~o" or not
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04:34<sandu2d>I executed this command: aptitude remove ~o
04:35<sandu2d>aptitude remove ~o: https://paste.gnome.org/pypyobd3j
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04:35<jmcnaught>sandu2d: okay, so xserver-xorg-legacy was never in the search results for '~i~!Adebian' anyways, and it's one of the problem packages that is newer than stretch
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04:36<sandu2d>apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core: https://paste.gnome.org/p2l7auxbz
04:37<jmcnaught>sandu2d: right, so clearly my aptitude search filter isn't correct. something like "aptitude -t stable reinstall ~i" might be overkill, but it should reinstall all packages to the stretch version
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04:39<sandu2d>so I need to reinstall all packages ?
04:39<jmcnaught>well you need to find a way to get a list of all the packages that are installed with a newer version than what's available in stretch
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04:39<jmcnaught>do you know how this happened by the way?
04:40<sandu2d>no
04:40<sandu2d>maybe when I updated to stretch I got a problem with repo and I put in source.list from i-net some repos
04:40<sandu2d>but after i removed them
04:40<jmcnaught>you didn't at any point add unstable, ubuntu, other third-party repos to install something, then remove it from your sources.list?
04:41<sandu2d>m, i think yes
04:41<jm_>there's still dropbox and debian-multimedia in sources.list
04:41<sandu2d>was somethink like this
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04:41<sandu2d>i read that debian have packages older than ubuntu..
04:42<jmcnaught>sandu2d: you can keep trying to figure out an aptitude filter that will search for packages newer than stretch, but you might also throw in the towel on this frankendebian and do a fresh install
04:42<sandu2d>i dont know how to do it
04:42<jmcnaught>if you mix distros or even releases of debian, you can mess your system up pretty badly
04:43<jmcnaught>sandu2d: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html that's the aptitude search filter reference if you want to experiment
04:44<jmcnaught>sandu2d: you should also look at https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian anyways good luck i've got to go ☺
04:44<sandu2d>but if i`ll remove all repos from source.list and source.list.d, and leave only repo for stretch.. and after i`ll reinstall all packages
04:44<sandu2d>could it helped ?
04:45<sandu2d>ok, bey
04:45<sandu2d>and thank you for help
04:45<jmcnaught>sandu2d: you could remove all non debian stretch repos, and "aptitude -t stable reinstall ~i" if that works, no guarantees
04:45<jmcnaught>you're welcome
04:45<sandu2d>i`ll try
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06:45<pissed-user>Hello, I use latest Debian Jessie and after yesterday suggested updates, where among them also was X, today I couldn't startx :-( I've tried many commands in CLI, using google butI am still in deep shit. WTF? Is it possible to "downgrade"X so I could move back to preceding of yesterday update ? Thanks.
06:46<lindi->pissed-user: can you publish /etc/apt/sources.list and /var/log/dpkg.log in http://paste.debian.net ?
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06:49<jm_>what's in X log?
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06:54<pissed-user>https://pastebin.com/DWsiuwdr
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06:55<pissed-user>jm_: in X log is just (most important): Segmentation fault at address 0x0, Caught signal 11 etc.
06:56<jm_>pissed-user: are you using fglrx?
06:56<pissed-user>I can log in in CLI like user, root, install, dpkg-configure etc. etc., but hell I still cannot run the X server :-(
06:57<pissed-user>jm_: yep, I use fglrx due I have KDE (in gnome it doesn't work), but yesterday was working everything. Just today after turning on, no X started :-(
06:58<jm_>pissed-user: can you try if radeon driver works until you figure out the actual issue?
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06:59<pissed-user>I cannot try it I am not logged in that debian os. I'd need to log out from here and then try.
07:01<niels>Hi there, I'm running a new install of debian 9 and I'm unable to remove users. It keeps saying the user is used by a process, this process id points to my ssh session. I tried it directly through the console as well and it points to my login (/lib/systemd/system --user). I've also tried to create a new user (test123) and remove that but I get the same error with the same process id
07:02<jm_>something strange in your dpkg log is this pattern: remove fglrx-driver, remove fglrx-modules-dkms, ..., install fglrx-modules-dkms, and no install for fglrx-driver
07:03<grove>niels: Please provide (on a pastebin) full interaction (i.e. both input and output) of the commands you try
07:04<jm_>is that with deluser, userdel or both?
07:04<pissed-user>jm_: but without gflrx_driver my ATI 5450 won't work I think... Or maybe yes but without OpenGL and direct acceleration, 3D etc.
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07:04<jm_>pissed-user: yeah maybe the paste is just incomplete, you should see which driver it tries to use in the logfile
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07:06<pissed-user>Okay, I'm gonna try to uninstall all fglrx stuff and install it except fglrx-driver.
07:07<jm_>naah you probably want them all or none, i.e. other stuff without fglrx-driver is probably pointless
07:07<pissed-user>Ok. Thanx for tip.
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07:14<uso>is there any standard utility which works like grep, but can also find "related" localization characters, so that it also finds "á" or "ä" when I search for "a" or "õ" and "ö" when I search for "o"?
07:15<grawity>grep for [[=a=]] and [[=o=]]
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07:17<uso>grawity: that's already better than [aáä]
07:17<uso>but no option or tool that does it for all those characters?
07:18<niels>grove: please see https://pastebin.com/nAyg6m0H - that's the commands i'm running for adding / removing the user
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07:21<dtw>uso, one option is to convert the input text to Ascii: iconv -t ascii//translit input-file | grep ...
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07:32<EmleyMoor>What do I install to add "audio/x-midi-event" decoder to totem?
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07:35<jm_>looks like gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad
07:37<EmleyMoor>jm_: vlc-plugin-fluidsynth will do, it turns out
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07:38<jm_>while looking for that, I noticed grep --colour=auto eats some characters for me in jessie (tried it in xterm, mrxvt and urxvt)
07:38<jm_>EmleyMoor: doh, I missed that one, yes
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07:43<uso>dtw: I need it to grep through a whole tree of files, so that's probably too slow, I rather modify my search pattern when there's no "global" option
07:44<uso>jm_: do you have an example? I use --colour=auto all the time and haven't noticed missing characters yet
07:45<jelly>EmleyMoor, does that plugin pull in a sound font as well?
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07:45<jm_>uso: it's for this particular use case only, otherwise it works OK, so say 80x50 urxvt and running apt-cache show gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad | grep --color=auto midi
07:46<uso>jm_: oh wait, is it at the end of the line (the border of the terminal)? I remember to have seen it there too now :)
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07:46<jm_>uso: if I scroll back I find what EmleyMoor was looking for displayed as audio/x-mid -event (where " " is the new line and it somehow displays corrupted there)
07:46<jm_>uso: yes
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07:47<jm_>hehe #456943
07:47<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/456943 in grep (forwarded, upstream): «grep: incorrect display with color and wrapping in some terminals»; severity: normal; opened: 2007-12-18; last modified: 2016-07-14.
07:47<jm_>very old too
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07:50<rjsalts>any ideas why my xfs boot partition keeps on corrupting its free space count?
07:50<rjsalts>I have to run xfs_repair on it to fix it
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07:51<rjsalts>/dev/sda3 121M 106M 16M 88% /boot -> blue:~# xfs_repair /dev/sda3 -> /dev/sda3 121M 72M 50M 59% /boot
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07:56<Blacker47>rjsalts, you run it during xfs beeing mounted? rjsalts is the counter still incorrect if you unmount & mount again (like reboot)?
07:57<jm_>or maybe try a newer kernel if there is one
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07:57<rjsalts>Blacker47: you have to unmount in order to run xfs_repair
07:58<rjsalts>Blacker47: mount/unmount doesn't repair the free space discrepancy though
07:58<Blacker47>rjsalts, ok, then it is not the non-bug-feature i was thinking about.
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08:02<jm_>pissed_user: wait so X works but vlc crashes or what?
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08:02<pissed_user>jm_: yep, VLC crashes only when I want to run video files, not mp3 or flac, they play :)
08:02<pissed_user>Dmesg err: vlc[13400]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f0cc192a849 sp 00007f0c7c102928 error 4 in libc-2.19.so[7f0cc18a9000+1a1000]
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08:03<jm_>pissed_user: maybe it's one of the known vlc bugs, see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=vlc
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08:04<pissed_user>jm_: but why it was running yeterday and not today ? :O
08:04<pissed_user>And is it then possible to run a bit older version of the VLC ?
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08:05<jm_>pissed_user: maybe check if vlc was upgraded yesterday, if it was, you can either look for older files in /var/cache/apt/archives (note that this may be a bad idea if newer version includes security fixes) or via http://snapshot.debian.org
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08:09<jm_>pissed-user: I need to run now, also consider what I said about fglrx, try to use debian's version
08:09<pissed_user>Unfortunately there is the same version in var cache as I have installed :-(
08:09<jm_>so probably some other update changed something so bug now shows up
08:09<pissed_user>jm_: Okay, thanx bro!
08:09<jm_>no problem
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08:15<pissed_user>Anybody could help with VLC/Debian Jessie, pl s?
08:16<pissed_user>When I run VLC in CLI to get the righ error message I get this (VLC crashes):
08:16<pissed_user>core audio output error: cannot add user visualization "any" (skipped) Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Segmentation fault
08:17<pissed_user>But mp3 plaus, just any video (mp4, avi) crashes...
08:17<pissed_user>*plays
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08:19<petn-randall>pissed_user: Sounds like something went wrong with installing nvidia drivers. How did you install them?
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08:20<petn-randall>pissed_user: Did you change anything on the system since the last time it worked?
08:20<pissed_user>I have ATI and I've installed the amd .sh - Catalyst which has installed all.
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08:21<pissed_user>It's in fact: AMD-Catalyst-15.9-Linux-installer-15.201.1151-x86.x86_64.run
08:21<pissed_user>But audio files plas :)
08:21<pissed_user>*play :)
08:21<blast007>pissed_user: earlier, you had mentioned that you previously had issues getting 3D acceleration with the open AMD drivers. Do note that non-free firmware may be required for 3D acceleration, provided by firmware-linux-nonfree on Jessie and firmware-linux-nonfree (or more specifically firmware-amd-graphics) on Stretch.
08:22<towo^work>have fun, you have fucked up your system#
08:22<towo^work>using this installer avoids you from getting support
08:22<petn-randall>pissed_user: Audio files play because they don't need any graphics drivers. That being said, the catalyst installer probably overwrote a few files from your system.
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08:23<petn-randall>pissed_user: Personally I'd stick with using the drivers provided by Debian, that ensures you can cleanly remove, install, and even upgrade them without hassle.
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08:24<pissed_user>petn-randall: I couldn't run X (startx) taht's why I uninstalled all gflrx stuff and installed all by running that .sh file. So how to repait it, pls ?
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08:28<petn-randall>pissed_user: I've never use that .sh installer, so I don't know. You can check their documentation how to revert the changes.
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08:30<Drzacek>Hello there
08:30<zimbar>hello
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08:30<Drzacek>not sure if debian problem, but it looks like thunderbirg doesn't play any sounds
08:30<Drzacek>s/g/d
08:31<Drzacek>just noticed after using it for one year :D
08:31<pissed_user>petn-randall: I could uninstall all what was installed but then, I am afraid, again startx won't start :>
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08:32*petn-randall shrugs.
08:32<petn-randall>pissed_user: We can only help you fix Debian issues in here, nothing that any 3rd party installer breaks for you.
08:35<pissed_user>Well, it's about ATI graph. card and installing it right so ot could work :D Anyway, I'll try google and I solve it, I'll post the solution ;-)
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08:47<pissed_user>Well, the "solution" is like newbie/jerkish LOL: in the VLC menu -- Preferences in video secion to choose rather "Automatic" than OpenGL (experimental) as I had and now even the video files play :-)
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08:51<petn-randall>pissed_user: Glad it worked for you. Note however that your system is essentially unsupported since the installer overwrites many libraries on your system, which in turn will get overwritten by the Debian ones whenever there's a new update, in turn breaking your graphics output again.
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08:52<mrnitro>hi
08:52<pissed_user>So I have to again uninstall all gflrx stuff and run that .sh file ? BTW that ,sh file is official release for ATI 5000series graph. cards...
08:53<rjsalts>yah, definitely losing space when I uninstall a kernel
08:53<rjsalts>http://paste.debian.net/975892/
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08:55<petn-randall>pissed_user: No, it's overwriting parts of libraries in X11 packages. And there's no sane way to track this by hand. Official or not, AMD/Nvidia installers try to achieve a "works for me" state on as many distros as possible, they don't seem to care if package/system upgrades on those OSes still work.
08:55<bremner>wow, that's pretty hostile
08:56<bremner>or incompetent
08:56*petn-randall shrugs.
08:56<rjsalts>just lazy
08:56<petn-randall>There are packaged version of those drivers in non-free, so there's no real reason _not_ to use those.
08:57<petn-randall>They are even upgrade-safe.
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08:58<pissed_user>petn-randal: well, does this issues solves to get a Linux well-supported graph. card ? :)
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08:59<blast007>is there a reason to use fglrx anymore?
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09:01<VoidViper>Hey guys, can someone help me find a Debian 8 i386 distro, or the latest debian i386 distro that supports /init.d scripts, because https://archive.debian.org/debian/ seems not to work ? :/
09:01<petn-randall>pissed_user: It works for most people. If it's an old ATI card, it'll likely work with the stock FOSS drivers.
09:03<pissed_user>VoidViper: Devuan ? LOL :)
09:04<Brigo>VoidViper, try http://archive.debian.org/
09:04<VoidViper>No idea man, really new to the linux world
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09:04<Brigo>VoidViper, not https
09:04<VoidViper>oh
09:04<rjsalts>VoidViper: debian still support sysvinit scripts
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09:06<VoidViper>well, I've been trying for the past few days to set my little brother up a minecraft server and I've been having a really hard time. From what kathenas has told me, init.d scripts are no longer supported in debian 9
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09:06<towo^work>pissed_user, install debian stretch and you don't need such fglrx crap anymore
09:06<VoidViper>That's why I've tried with systemd but with no luck and I'm on the brink of pulling my hair out
09:07<petn-randall>VoidViper: as rjsalts already said, init scripts are still supported in Debian stretch (9).
09:08<VoidViper>petn-randall: I see. Maybe I just assumed I'm running Debian 9 as I recently downloaded it.
09:09<VoidViper>Well, it's indeed 9.0
09:09<VoidViper> I'm lost :D
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09:44<jamesmc>VoidViper: So debian 9 (and 8) use systemd as the main init system, but it's set up in such a way that you can still manage services with init.d scripts as well
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09:45<VoidViper>jamesmc: can you point me to an article or smth that I can read up on to get a better idea on how to make it so that I can properly used init.d scripts
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09:46<VoidViper>right now I'm just following tutorials without knowing what's going on and trying to understand as I go :D
09:47<Brigo>VoidViper, the hard way.
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09:48<VoidViper>Brigo, is there an easy way ?
09:49<Brigo>reading the documentation. :)
09:49<jamesmc>If it's an init script you are making yourself, it might be easier to just make a systemd unit file and use systemd directly
09:50<jamesmc>Just found this, which might point you in the right direction: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/302733/minecraft-server-startup-shutdown-with-systemd
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09:50<jamesmc>But really, you will probably have to stumble a bit to get a handle on stuff, I'm afraid :/
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09:52<VoidViper>Thank you very much :)
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09:54<Brigo>VoidViper, the last one looks like the best.
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09:55<VoidViper>Brigo, yeah, I'm going to read through it after I read through how vsftpd works as I had a few problems in my previous installs
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09:56<Brigo>how is vsftpd related to your problem?
09:57<VoidViper>It's not. I had trouble with vsftpd and I decided to take a look at it to take my mind off the minecraft problem
09:57<VoidViper>Giving myself a bit of nuance when dealing with problems helps a lot
09:59<bremner>how safe is to set the boot delay to 0s in grub? is there still a way to get the menu by holding key or something?
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10:00<petn-randall>bremner: IIRC holding the shift key will pop up the menu, but I'd test it first before breaking your first boot option ;)
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10:00<bremner>ok, I'll give it a shot.
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10:03<Brigo>bremner, iirc pressing any key will make the system stop in the menu
10:04<piper>down arrow works also for many years ;)
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10:11<hthoreau>Good morning.
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10:12<hthoreau>I added a user to handle a locally hosted git repository. Just like I did others to handle freenet and zeronet separately.
10:13<hthoreau>Though with this git user, following the instructions given by gitlab, the user is listed in the opening screen, differently than the other I've just mentioned.
10:13<hthoreau>How could I hide him?
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10:14<hthoreau>I don't need him listed there.
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10:15<Blacker47>hthoreau, what login manager do you use?
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10:16<hthoreau>Blacker47: Ahm... I don't know. The default that comes with GNOME?
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10:22<Blacker47>hthoreau, by default all UIDs < 1000 are ignored because these are system accounts. sometimes you can configure a login-manager to ignore more user/uids (like all > 10000 or ignore username 'user2'). not sure for you login-manager. if it is gdm, then it seems not be able because of a ignored bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=663386
10:22<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/663386 in gdm3 (open): «gdm3 ignores [greeter] Include/Exclude in file daemon.conf»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-03-10; last modified: 2015-05-01.
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10:24<Denis_>Hi, I wanna be a debian contributor Have any list from software that need to create a package ?
10:25<hthoreau>Blacker47: Wow, that's really old.
10:25<hiq[m]>Denis_: you can look for the wnpp metapackage
10:25<hiq[m]>https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
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10:26<Denis_>hiq[m], I will see it. Thanks!
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10:33<kos-mos>Hello
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10:38<kos-mos>Can i create a user which has SSH access and read-only on whole system ?
10:39<petn-randall>kos-mos: What are you trying to achieve with that user?
10:42<grove>That user won't be worth much, but you can change the change the ownership and permissions on his/her home directory
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10:44<kos-mos>I want the user be able to read "plublic" files on the system
10:44<kos-mos>but not be abble to create anything
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10:46<petn-randall>kos-mos: Care to be more specific? Do you want them to be able to use sftp?
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10:47<kos-mos>on the french debian channel i had the following suggestion : https://serverfault.com/questions/814963/sftp-whitelisting-requests-for-read-only-access
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11:19<hthoreau>Blacker47: I'm not sure I created git as a system account, maybe I just screwed up and created it as a user account.
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11:19<hthoreau>Blacker47: Is there a way to check for that? And if so, a way to modify a user account into a system one?
11:20<Nennala>@hhoreau : What's the problem ?
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11:21<hthoreau>Nennala: I created a git repository and, in the process, an account listed as "git" in my login screen.
11:22<hthoreau>Nennala: I just don't need it there. Gitlab is working fine using my default user.
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11:24<hthoreau>Nennala: I did this before in order to install freenet and zeronet, but haven't generated additional user accounts. I believe I screwed up trying to create a system account while creating a user account instead.
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11:25<Blacker47>hthoreau, "id --user <username>"
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11:25<rob_debian>Hi all
11:25<hthoreau>Blacker47: It returned "1001"
11:25<rob_debian>Please, I'd like to know if there is any specific debian channel for 'containers' research and study
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11:27<hthoreau>Blacker47: So I did create a user account, it's not the login manager misbehaving and listing a system account.
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11:30<Blacker47>hthoreau, see manpage for usermod --uid...
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11:33<BrainError404>Hi, I tried to rescue my system through grub rescue>, but it failed, I tried these commands:
11:33<petn-randall>BrainError404: Tell us about your problem first.
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11:34<BrainError404>petn-randall: I cannot boot, when I boot I'm in a grub-rescue shell
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11:34<petn-randall>BrainError404: What happened that you ended up in this situation?
11:36<BrainError404>petn-randall: I tried to reinstall windows in another partition and the installation failed
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11:37<petn-randall>BrainError404: Ah, Windows always overwrites stuff like that.
11:37<petn-randall>!fixmbr
11:37<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
11:37<petn-randall>BrainError404: ^^^ that'll fix it, if you didn't kill you Linux partition.
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11:39<BrainError404>petn-randall: I cannot boot from a debian install disk because I haven't one
11:39<petn-randall>BrainError404: Then you need to create one.
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11:40<BrainError404>petn-randall: Btw it isn't mbr, it's uefi, and I have a gparted live usb (which is based on debian) if it can be useful
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11:43<petn-randall>BrainError404: As long as you can get a shell and follow those steps, you should be fine.
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11:43<BrainError404>O h
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11:43<petn-randall>BrainError404: You *must* boot the live image in EFI mode though, otherwise the EFI will prevent you from accessing the ESP.
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11:59<BrainError404>petn-randall How can I check if it,s in UEFI?
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12:01<BrainError404>petn-randall, pls
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12:03<Nennala>BrainError404 : usually when you see the boot options there is a "UEFI" write for the device
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12:27<TuxoHolic>Hello, Stretch user with a systemd question: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/beae2a80 << can somebody look at the pastebin and tell me what's wrong with the home.path monitoring line? It's not kicking in and so the home.mount unit is starting too early (before a mountpoint folder is created in a tmpfs drive by the h_rw service) - can a systemd.mount unit depend on a systemd.path unit?
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12:31<Walex>TuxoHolic: #systemd
12:32<Walex>TuxoHolic: on Freenode IIRC
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12:35<grawity>TuxoHolic: make sure there aren't any other units which pull in home.mount as their dependency
12:35<grawity>since home.path isn't the *only* way that .mount can be started
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12:36<grawity>in fact, if your only goal is to order it after \x2eH-h_rw.service, why bother with a .path at all? why not just directly order the mount After=\x2eH-h_rw.service?
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12:39<TuxoHolic>grawity: because I tried After= and it turned out to be unreliable: sth works and sth don't ... guess it must be a timing problem. home.mount has to wait until the mountpoints actually exist, sometimes it does not...
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12:40<grawity>avoiding timing problems is precisely the point of After= though
12:41<TuxoHolic>grawity: still; why not use something that is more precise?
12:41<grawity>it *is* something that is more precise
12:41<grawity>a .path unit isn't
12:42<grawity>since as mentioned, the .path unit doesn't prevent your .mount from being started in some other way
12:42<TuxoHolic>PathExists = /.H/h_rw/f_up /.H/h_rw/f_wrk << clearly states what has be be there before home.mount can proceed, don't you agree?
12:42<grawity>no
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12:42<TuxoHolic>okay - what can be done about reliability?
12:42<grawity>it has absolutely nothing to do with "before home.mount can proceed"
12:43<grawity>it merely adds a *trigger* for starting home.mount (which might be the opposite thing of a dependency)
12:43<TuxoHolic>I want that trigger, right?
12:43<grawity>no; you want a dependency
12:43<grawity>(or possibly a trigger *and* a dependency)
12:44<grawity>if you want the .mount unit to be delayed after create-my-dirs.service, the most explicit way to do that would be "After=create-my-dirs.service" and "Requires=create-my-dirs.service"
12:44<TuxoHolic>grawity: okay - will try with a Requries statement
12:45<TuxoHolic>+ the after statement
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12:54<pastaman>Hey, i'm looking to create test packages for an application and i just wanted to know how the postinst detects if it is a fresh install or a package upgrade? I would like to have a different set of instructions if the package is only being upgraded.
12:55<somiaj>there might be some devscripts that help detect that and can be used
12:57<TuxoHolic>grawity: I was able to boot sucessfull multiple times now, but home.mount is failing on shutdown if I type "sudo reboot" from a X-Terminal. Does not happen when I log out first and shutdown using the lightdm poweroff button. Anyway to make home.mount more patient on shutdown? It might need a dependency on a running X Session?
12:58<pastaman>somiaj: alright, i'll have a dig around, thanks!
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13:00<pastaman>somiaj: do you know if dev scripts create postinst, preinst, etc or are they made by the maintainers?
13:01<somiaj>pastaman: #packaging may know of what way to check if a package is being upgraded vs installed in the postinst, etc scripts
13:01<pastaman>alright, thanks!
13:01<somiaj>devscripts is a package, it contains lots of scripts that are useful with debian packages. These scripts automate some common things to make upgrades and other stuff easier
13:01<somiaj>as such I thought there maybe a script already written that checks if you are doing na upgrade or an install.
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13:02<somiaj>pastaman: https://askubuntu.com/questions/101962/script-to-only-execute-during-first-install-of-a-package
13:02<somiaj>that may work, seems you can check if it is installed, upgraded, etc
13:03<somiaj>https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html#s-unpackphase may also help
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13:20<MaName>Hello. In what channel can I ask an installation question?
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13:21<bremner>assuming debian stable, here
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13:29<MaName>Alright. So I downloaded the XFCE amd64 image from the Debian website, and tried to install it on my machine from a live cd (for personal usage, I'm not setting up a server or something). The installation went fine until the network configuration part. It seems like it succeeds detect the network hardware, but it in the 'configure the network' screen it fails to receive an IP through DHCP. When I sniffed with wireshark using another compute
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13:30<Nennala>MaName in the installation part or after ?
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13:31<bremner>MaName: is there some reason you're using a live cd instead of the debian-installer?
13:31<MaName>In the installation part. If I understand correctly, it can't install without a network connection.
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13:32<Nennala>That's weird because if it not a netinstall it's not neccesary to have an internet connection as far as I know
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13:33<MaName>bremner: Not really. I'll try the debian-installer.
13:34<MaName>Thanks!
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13:34<Nennala>The debian-installer works ?
13:34<MaName>I don't know. I didn't try yet
13:35<Nennala>Oh ok sorry :)
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14:17<hiq[m]>hi, is there a way to get an equalizer working well with mpd? Currently I use an alsa plugin, but I have issues with it
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14:21<pastaman>thanks somiaj!
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14:32<mnuhmnuh_>hiq[m]: maybe mpdtoys? aptitude show doesn't mention equalizer, just ex. of what it offers. dunno anything about mpd m'self.
14:39<hiq[m]>mnuhmnuh_: thanks I'll give it a try
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14:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:52<hiq[m]>nope, nothing about an equalizer in mpdtoys
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14:54<mnuhmnuh_>xine has a built-n graph-eq. i think?
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14:55<hiq[m]>you mean xine as a replacement for mpd right?
14:56<mnuhmnuh_>you can have both installed. one doesn't blow out the other. you can even run 'em both at the same time.
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14:58<hiq[m]>of course, I just meant that using the equalizer from xine would imply using and configuring xine instead of using my existing mpd configuration
14:58<hiq[m]>I'll look into it, thanks!
14:59<mnuhmnuh_>i don't think i had to do any config w xine; just run it, find the graph-eq. enabler, ...
15:01<mnuhmnuh_>not sure you can use xines ge w mpd, though. that wasn't what i was suggesting.
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15:03<hiq[m]>okok, I'll just look into mpd alternatives in general. Thanks!
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15:04<teraflops>I dont think there are mpd alternatives, with same features
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15:07*mnuhmnuh_ there's features, and then there's features. i can easily get along fine sans a lot of so-called features. ymmv.
15:07<mnuhmnuh_>i don't know mpd. just trying to help.
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15:12<hiq[m]>FWIW I don't use that many mpd features, actually I would be fine with any player / daemon that I can use from a terminal, and that has equalizer / replaygain support
15:13<mnuhmnuh_>now that i read up on it, i think it's cool, and expecting it (a daemon) to provide graph-eq. is wrong; clients (eg. xine) should do that, not daemons. so what client are you using?
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15:14<mnuhmnuh_>hiq[m]: ah. got you.
15:15<hiq[m]>mnuhmnuh_: right now, ncmpc, the default one
15:15<hiq[m]>I see that there are some configs with nmpcpp (so another client) to get an equalizer working
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15:17<mnuhmnuh_>i use vlc, xine, totem, ff --> youtube, ff --> streamon.fm, and maybe a couple i can't remember just now. i'm no wiz. re: sound on linux though. i bang around until it just goes.
15:18<mnuhmnuh_>tried gmpc?
15:19<mnuhmnuh_>& gmpc-plugins?
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15:19<mnuhmnuh_>ah, you wanted cli, sorry.
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15:28<hiq[m]>yup cli is important for me, otherwise I'd just go back to clementine I guess
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15:39<mnuhmnuh_>never heard of clementine, but it looks not all that bad either. lotsa funtionality.
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15:41<jmcnaught>i've been using lollipop as a music player, it's available as a flatpak package
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15:50<blast007>hiq[m]: xmms2 and moc may be worth looking at as well.
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15:54<Erick>hi
15:54<mnuhmnuh_>jmcnaught: lollipop in stretch? doesn't exist.
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15:55<blast007>"available as a flatpak package"
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15:56<mnuhmnuh_>jmcnaught: yeah, about to mention that, no idea what that is, never heard of it, i'm old. :-)
15:56<jmcnaught>mnuhmnuh_: flatpak is a new application package format available in stretch. it can install packages as a regular user, and runs them in a sandbox http://flatpak.org/
15:56<blast007>"Flatpak installs, manages and runs sandboxed desktop application bundles." (see 'apt show flatpak' for more)
15:57<jmcnaught>i think it could be a good way to get access to new applications while leaving your Debian system unmolested. It's a little halfbaked at this point
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16:00<mnuhmnuh_>ty both, never heard of it. what's it mean by "sandboxed"? we've always been able to run stuff from $HOME. won't call anything, incl. libs, outside "sandbox"? cf. static linking.
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16:01<blast007>mnuhmnuh_: see 'apt show flatpak' :)
16:01<jmcnaught>mnuhmnuh_: flatpak has "runtimes" that applications can share, so they're not statically linked. By sandboxed it means kernel namespacing, much like LXC/docker/nspawn
16:05<mnuhmnuh_>blast007: tx, you just gave me one less reason to have aptitude around. i use apt-get for pkg mgmt. didn't know apt would "show".
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16:19*mnuhmnuh_ not sure inventing VMs was a good idea. java is silly cheapskate shortcut; not worth thinking of. an app shouldn't be a system. it just confuses users/devs.
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16:20*mnuhmnuh_ i'm a dinosaur, i know.
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16:21<blast007>mnuhmnuh_: there's also 'apt-cache show PkgNameHere', which is the complement to apt-get
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16:23<hiq[m]>blast007: thanks for the suggestions!
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16:28<mnuhmnuh_>no kidding! apt-cache show $blah | less # everything you might possibly want to know about $blah; woohoo! :-)
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16:29<blast007>(and apt-cache has other subcommands, like search)
16:29<blast007>I do keep aptitude around for more complicated search queries though
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16:30<mnuhmnuh_>blast007: yeah, and i need to re-read, by now, every manpage i've ever read. :-(
16:30<mnuhmnuh_>feaping creaturism. does apt do mail yet?
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16:51<annadane>if you do a simple copy+paste of a file, does it retain its permissions?
16:51<grawity>depends on file manager which performs the copy+paste; permissions often yes, ownership cannot be preserved unless you're root
16:52<mnuhmnuh_>annadane: define "copy+paste of a file".
16:52<annadane>well, dolpin. and i mean within the GUI, just regular right click copy+paste
16:52<annadane>s/dolpin/dolphin
16:54<mnuhmnuh_>dolphin == kde. why would i know? :-)
16:55<mnuhmnuh_>arrogant b'tards, you kde users. sometimes. :-)
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16:56<annadane>them's fighting words.
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16:58<mnuhmnuh_>ot.
16:58<fiete>Im wondering why column that is part of uitl-linux is on debian sid 10-years older than on archlinux even if the util-linux version is identical
16:58<mnuhmnuh_>sry.
16:59<mnuhmnuh_>fiete: packages.debian.org?
16:59<fiete>ah because of the buildoption --disable-column
17:00<fiete>is there a reason why debian does not use the util-linux column but the bsd one?
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17:03<grawity>maybe precisely because it used to be identical?
17:03<grawity>the one in util-linux seems to have gained some nifty features though
17:05<fiete>there is a new option in the util-linux version
17:05<fiete>and one script I want to use does not work now :-)
17:06<hthoreau>Good evening.
17:06<hthoreau>Recently, I've installed Gitlab using the Omnibus package installation method (https://about.gitlab.com/installation/#debian)
17:07<hthoreau>It seems that, in the process, a git account was created as a user account, instead of a system account.
17:07<fiete>So I will open a bug to discuss this further
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17:07<hthoreau>I tried pushing its UID down to a level that Debian Stretch, the OS that I'm using, recognizes as being that of a system account: https://paste.debian.net/975983/
17:07<hthoreau>I don't even know if that is the right thing to do. But anyway, my attempt gets blocked because of processes running in the git account.
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17:08<hthoreau>And that's it. It seems I'm stuck with a git user that will never be accessed, just takes space in the login screen.
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17:09<jmcnaught>hthoreau: FYI there is a gitlab package in Debian now, no reason to use that kitchen sink omnibus package thing
17:09<mnuhmnuh_>hthoreau: why didn't you just apt-get install gitlab?
17:09<mnuhmnuh_>jmcnaught: :-)
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17:12<hthoreau>jmcnaught: I tried installing that package, but failed. And I didn't find instructions for it anywhere :*-(
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17:17<jmcnaught>hthoreau: it worked for me, but failed for someone here who didn't have enough RAM. Also UIDs in the 100-999 range are "dynamically allocated system user…" https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2
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17:25<mnuhmnuh_>isn't this where someone pipes up w !frankendebian? :-|
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17:32<mnuhmnuh_>i vaguely remember that "100-999 == system user" is a debian thing. don't think slackware did/does it that way, but it's been a long time ...
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17:33<grawity>I think most distros have settled on 1–999
17:33<mnuhmnuh_>1-999?!?
17:33<grawity>yes
17:34<grawity>though iirc Fedora had 1–499 until recently
17:34<mnuhmnuh_>so, debian's 100-999 is odd man out?
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17:35<grawity>well, "0 is root, ≤ 999 is system, the rest is human"
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17:35<grawity>that's how most programs define the range anyway – don't care about where it starts
17:36<grawity>in practice not really
17:36<grawity>since it still ends at 999
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17:37<grawity>how uids are distributed between root and the system/human split doesn't have any practical difference
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17:39<mnuhmnuh_>grawity: yeah, until you try to equate old user's uid to new user's uid, or uid on $boxA to $boxB, and you're a newb wondering why *it won't just do it*?!? :-)
17:41<mnuhmnuh_>trust me, i've watched stupid admins do some really dumb things; ie., "touch" every file on system post backup. timestamps, who cares about them?
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18:49<angelgen>a quien corresponda: instale 3 veces debian live 9 xcfe y no reconoce el password root deve ser 1 bug ... instale debian 8.7 xcfe y todo me va bien....reporten
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19:18<mnuhmnuh_>"WOMEN LITERALLY BEG ..."; who writes this !@#$? it needs a nap. ask mommy to put you to bed kid. good job ops.
19:19<e>very well
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19:35<Yst>I want to prevent all users except for one from accessing the network, while allowing all users to access localhost. What's the best way to do this?
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19:56<mnuhmnuh_>Yst: talk to yor router?
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20:00<cesarasulbaran>hello
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20:01<mnuhmnuh_>cesarasulbaran: ask?
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20:02<cesarasulbaran>I just wanted to say hello.
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20:04<Yst>mnuhmnuh_: The router won't help. I need traffic blocked by the machine itself. It won't always be at the same router, so I can't rely on the router.
20:05<mnuhmnuh_>cesarasulbaran: that and three bucks'll buy you a latte in northam these days.
20:06<mnuhmnuh_>Yst: so, firewall config on gateway box.
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20:07<mnuhmnuh_>er, wut? i give up.
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20:08<Yst>mnuhmnuh_: There is no gateway box. The machine isn't always on the same network, so I can't rely on anything external to the machine.
20:09<Yst>Also, I think the gateway box would block all users, not al but one.
20:09<Yst>I need one user to access the network. There's no way to see what user is accessing the network from outside the local machine.
20:10<pastly>See iptables-extensions for owner. You can do conditionals based on the uid of the proc's owner
20:11<mnuhmnuh_>Yst: yeah, i'm a little slow atm. sry. typical tablet/cell/laptop which is mobile and used to just clicking the heck into ubiquitous wifi ffs! Starbucks! :-)
20:11<pastly>^ as in 'man iptables-extensions' and search for the 'owner' extension
20:11<mnuhmnuh_>simple stuff.
20:12<Yst>Alright, sweet. Thank you!
20:12<mnuhmnuh_>pastly: ty.
20:13<mnuhmnuh_>wizards; gotta love 'em.
20:15<jgould>Now if only I could figure out how to have my box make me a Latte
20:16<mnuhmnuh_>IoT!
20:17<mnuhmnuh_>c'mon! cronjob.
20:17<jgould>LOL
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20:17<mnuhmnuh_>:-)
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20:24<cheapie>[19:15:19] <jgould> Now if only I could figure out how to have my box make me a Latte <--- /me read that as "lathe", and was confused for a bit
20:24<cheapie>I should probably quit squinting at g-code for a while...
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20:25<mnuhmnuh_>it's a hardware + connectivity prob. money + $doit should be easy.
20:26<mnuhmnuh_>everything you buy these days is networkable, yes? so?
20:29<jgould>mnuhmnuh_: that remeinds me of the wifi enabled crock pot my wife and I saw at a walmart
20:29<mnuhmnuh_>hell, they're hacking automobile embedded systems via wifi now. cf. techdirt archives, comp.risks archives, ...
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20:30<mnuhmnuh_>jgould: yup, consider botnets running on the things, mfgr.'s default pword unchanged, google searchable ... botnet.
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20:34<mnuhmnuh_>they say %80 of trades made in wall st today are now done by bots, making micropennies/transact ... v. funny, i think.
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20:37<mnuhmnuh_>sry, i'm obviously drunk. didn't mean to equate wall st microtrading bots with botnets; did, wrong. i don't care about wall st.
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20:39<jgould>ok... off to study
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21:27<hthoreau>Hi
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21:27<hthoreau>Is there a way to launch a program in the background?
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21:27<hthoreau>Like, not have it GUI show up at all?
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21:29<pastly>It would likely be up to the program to implement some option that skips opening a window.
21:30<hthoreau>:*(
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21:45<mnuhmnuh_>wouldn't disabling the gui and automating the app's init actions be simple? moran.
21:46<mnuhmnuh_>dork.
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21:47<mnuhmnuh_>via changing the code, i mean. assumed, sry.
21:49<bremner>mnuhmnuh_: you seem a bit out of control today
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21:52<mnuhmnuh_>bremner: i'm retired! i'm out of control *every* day, demnit! besides, i'm a staunch, proud, 60's pinko hippy phreaque; no apologies!!! :-) have fun.
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21:54<mnuhmnuh_>just tryin' to keep y'all awake and maybe learning and thinking. :-)
21:54<mnuhmnuh_>it's art.
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22:21*mnuhmnuh_ do, doo, do do od!
22:21<mnuhmnuh_>s/od/do/
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22:42*mnuhmnuh_ fun's what it's all about. >:-|
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23:38<pulupulu>Hi, I'm currently experimenting with Debian Buster, I'm trying to install build-essential but it says that
23:38<pulupulu>build-essential : Depends: gcc (>= 4:6.3) but it is not going to be installed
23:38<pulupulu>Depends: g++ (>= 4:6.3) but it is not going to be installed
23:39<pulupulu>E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
23:39<pulupulu>Any help about this?
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