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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-07-17

---Logopened Mon Jul 17 00:00:14 2017
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00:38<mwsd82>hi
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00:43<_luser_>h
00:44<_luser_>anyone using parrot?
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01:00<annadane>!parrot
01:00<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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02:27<GI_Jack>I'm having trouble with ntop on debian 9
02:27<GI_Jack>returned an error: Missing CSRF parameter
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02:38<jm_>GI_Jack: there is no ntop in debian 9
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03:10<sunkai>you ren ma ?
03:10<sunkai>Are you ok?
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03:51<Drzacek>Hello
03:51<Drzacek>so whats the correct way to edit grub entries?
03:51<jm_>what do you want to edit?
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03:54<Drzacek>jm_, well, at least the defautl options
03:54<jm_>for linux kernel? edit /etc/default/grub
03:54<Drzacek>on my other system I was using grub-customizer, I was able to change fonts, colors, background image, order etc
03:55<Drzacek>jm_, hmm /etc/default/grub doesn't contain the already used options
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04:00<jm_>Drzacek: /usr/share/grub/default/grub lists defaults, then it adds those necessary to mount root etc.
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04:06<iKarith>Is there a canonical way to install a python pip package for which there is a Debian package (installed) but Debian's version is old? :) Essentially, do I need a virtualenv in this case, or are there other alternatives?
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04:15<ronan>hello :)
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04:25<ronan>Anyone can help me with routing... So, I have two interfaces on an web server (eth0 / eth2) what I want is use only eth2 for my VPN (working) and eth0 for all other. But, after (tun0) VPN is created I want my web server can be accessed by VPN AND by eth0 (which is a local network) directly (not working) ... :/ https://paste.debian.net/976870/
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04:27<ronan>I think I have to push some route commands by vpn but anytime I try something eth0 OR eth2 / tun0 can access to web server but not both of them (my default gateway always push response to one of them)
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04:29<jelly>iKarith, virtualenv is the safest option, not sure about others
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04:32<iKarith>jelly: I figured I should look for the general case solution just because I've wondered in the past how best to handle such things. In this case, I have a pylint3 crasher already fixed upstream, and nothing will be harmed by anything else importing the later pylint or anything ... but that's not always the case.
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04:37<ronan>working !
04:37<iKarith>jelly: I started with some python code that was originally a bash script that munges binary files. pylint currently rates the legacy code about 5.3/10. It spits out hundreds of problems with the original and then has its head explode suddenly with a traceback, like any pedant should be expected to when faced with anything so completely contrary to "by the book".. ;)
04:41<iKarith>jelly: not only did the original basically get ported quickly from bash (again, parsing and manipulating and converting binary file data in bash, with a quick and dirty port), it did so in either python2 or python3.
04:41<azzamsa>I put my dotfiles in online public repo, in gitconfig I can use useConfigOnly = true to hide user identity, how can I hide my user identity in export DEBFULLNAME="foo" and export DEBEMAIL="baz@gmail.com" . I use it for pbuilder
04:42<iKarith>It was _impressive_. And maddening. It's now python3 only, and improving daily. :)
04:42*jelly still does stuff like that in perl
04:43<iKarith>quick, dirty, ugly ports from code that did that in bash? Or munging binary files?
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05:10<Drzacek>jm_, damn, was playing with grub-customizer and suddenly there was no linux entry whatsoever
05:10<grove>edeak: That's quite common on oftc (and other networks), the network has the chanserv service that some trusted users can send commands to and gain ops privileges if needed
05:11<Drzacek>been fighting with grub console now to boot :D
05:11<edeak>cool! thanks for the info
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06:21<Omnious>Hello
06:23<Omnious>how i can enable autologin in debian 9 gnome
06:23<Omnious>?
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06:23<taowa>Omnious, does https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/login-automatic.html.en work for you?
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06:25<taowa>It seems I can do it from the Gnome Control Panel -> Users
06:25<taowa>It'll ask you for sudo credentials.
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06:27<taowa>Did that work?
06:28<Omnious>no
06:28<taowa>What display manager are you using?
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06:29<taowa>You'll probably want to be using GDM for gnome autologin.
06:29<Omnious>i have not custom.conf i have daemon.conf
06:30<taowa>Try making the change in the gnome control centre
06:30<addiks>hi, how do i remove one single identity from the ssh-agent when i dont have the corresponding keyfile?
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06:32<vicente_>hola
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06:35<dtw>addiks, "ssh-add -L" will print you the public keys in the agent. Save a key to a file and then use "ssh-add -d keyfile".
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06:38<Omnious>nothing in gnome-control-center
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06:49<taowa>Omnious, there isn't a Users option?
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06:53<Omnious>taowa yes, thank you
06:54<taowa>Omnious, so you've set it to automatic login?
06:55<Omnious>set, but not test )
06:57<Omnious>(gnome-control-center:6547): AccountsService-WARNING **: SetAutomaticLogin call failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Accounts.Error.Failed: failed to change automatic login:
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07:02<taowa>Omnious, are you using GDM>
07:02<taowa>If not, it won't work
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07:03<taowa>Even if you are, there's this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627311
07:03<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/627311 in accountsservice (closed, patch): «gnome-control-center: SetAutomaticLogin call failed: failed to change automatic login: No such file or directory»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-05-19; last modified: 2011-06-27.
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07:05<Omnious>yes gdm
07:07<taowa>Have you changed your gdm config?
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07:10<Omnious>yes AutomaticLoginEnable=True AutomaticLogin=username
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07:11<taowa>username is a placeholder for your username, right?
07:12<Omnious>yes
07:14<taowa>Try removing it and then changing the setting...
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07:23<dvuk>Hello, I am not able to make memtest86(+) work, it just hangs and displays nothing. Installed the package(s) in stretch. Is this a known issue?
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07:25<jm_>have you checked BTS? tried memtest86 package?
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07:25<dvuk>yes I tried both memtest86 and memtest86+ packages, same behavior
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07:26<taowa>Omnious, any success?
07:26<Omnious>ok
07:26<taowa>It worked?
07:27<Omnious>AutomaticLoginEnable=True AutomaticLoginEnable = True
07:27<Omnious>worked
07:27<Omnious>space
07:27<taowa>Great!
07:27<jm_>dvuk: does ISO also hang?
07:27<Omnious>thank you
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07:31<dvuk>no idea, haven't tried burning the ISO, I assumed it would work from hdd as a grub entry (it did work that way in ubuntu)
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07:32<umuench>hello
07:32<umuench>can anyone help me?
07:33<umuench>where ist the multi-arch installer DVD? (like debian-8.8.0-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso)
07:34<jm_>yeah I have memtest86+ installed here but haven't upgraded to stretch yet + I rarely boot
07:34<umuench>--> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/bt-dvd/ 404
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07:35<towo^work>even here, a non existent directory on the webserver will allways give you a 404
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07:36<umuench>thats the fault
07:36<jm_>as for burning it, perhaps you could try booting memtest iso using grub-imageboot or grml-rescueboot
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07:36<towo^work>if there is no such image, why should a dir exist then?
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07:37<umuench>i don't know
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07:38<umuench>ask alexa!^^
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07:45<elof_>how to add something to MANPATH, INFOPATH and PATH? I have to add something after installing texlive
07:46<spacebug^>for the current console => export PATH=$PATH:/some/new/path
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07:48<spacebug^>but packages should do everything that needs to be done when you install them
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07:49<elof_>how do I check if it has done them ?
07:52<spacebug^>echo $PATH
07:53<jm_>for man it's /etc/manpath.config
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07:59<elof_>the installation log https://pastebin.com/UreZ4ZbP
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09:31<badargo___>how do I switch workspaces in debian gnome?
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10:34<Naksu>hello, does anyone have any good tips on installing debian stretch using a serial console? jessie-era tricks involving editing the isolinux config files don't seem to be enough
10:37<Naksu>specifically i'm on pc-engines apu, a fairly typical x86 box except the cpu-integrated gpu is present but not connected, which presumably throws the serial auto-detection logic mentioned in the install documentation off
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10:48<badargo___>for col in '$colors' is wrong
10:48<badargo___>for col in "$colors" is pointless
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10:48<badargo___>for col in $colors is wrong
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10:48<badargo___>so stupid
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10:49<duclicsic>Naksu: i have installed jessie on an apu, can't remember the specific instructions i followed at the time but i think this looks right: http://pcengines.info/forums/?page=post&id=51C5DE97-2D0E-40E9-BFF7-7F7FE30E18FE
10:50<Naksu>yeah that's the jessie one, it works on jessie and i've used it before
10:50<Naksu>it's not enough for stretch
10:50<duclicsic>ah
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10:52<Naksu>i could install jessie and dist-upgrade it, but as this is not urgent yet i'd prefer to find a better way
10:52<duclicsic>Naksu: have you tried an ipxe boot?
10:52<duclicsic>Naksu: http://pcengines.info/forums/?page=post&id=F907D9E5-8765-43B2-9F39-32D67FB24F3E
10:52<Naksu>hmm
10:53<Naksu>haven't tried it, will try
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11:04<Naksu>duclicsic: these seem to be apu1 so no ipxe
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11:06<duclicsic>Naksu: there's probably a bios update that adds support
11:06<duclicsic>i had to update my apu2 when i got it
11:06<duclicsic>but once ipxe support is on there it makes things very easy
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11:08<duclicsic>alternatively you can set up your own pxe environment and have it serve an ipxe image, then go from there
11:10<Naksu>duclicsic: no, the last bios update was from 2014
11:10<Naksu>i'll probably have to do that, or actually probably already have that
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11:22<zamuro> Hey
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11:26<annadane>zamuro, question?
11:26<annadane>!ask
11:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:48<Yst>I don't know if it's because of my new laptop (er, new to me, but actually *very* old) or because of fixes in Debian 9, but for the first time in as long as I can remember, closing the laptop makes it sleep and it actually wakes from sleep correctly.
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11:48<Yst>This is pretty sweet. I can now sleep my laptop when it's not in use.
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11:50<badargo___>hey guys
11:50<Yst>Hee~eey!
11:51<badargo___>how do u install a new desktop enviroment? im using gnome and in #vim /etc/X11/default-display-manager i read
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11:51<badargo___>gdm3
11:51<badargo___>hello Yst
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11:52<Yst>badargo___: I'd look for the desktop you want in Aptitude, then just run "sudo aptitude install {desktop}".
11:52<Yst>You shouldn't need to mess with the display manager, I should think.
11:53<Yst>What desktop are you trying to install?
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11:53<badargo___>well i see a guy doing nice things with gnome on youtube but my gnome doesnt do that stuff :S
11:53<badargo___>i saw*
11:54<badargo___>so maybe a better gnome or that flashy plasma kde :P
11:54<Yst>The display manager is just your login screen thingie. From the display manager, you can choose which installed desktop you want to use for the session, so multiple desktops can be installed.
11:54<annadane>badargo___, gnome has extensions and a tweak tool
11:54<annadane>use those
11:54<badargo___>annadane: yes i used the tweak tool, for some reason mine is different and lack some of the options i saw
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11:55<badargo___>Yst: oh rly? i can choose what desktop i want in the login screen? taht would be nice
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11:55<Yst>badargo___: "Better GNOME" isn't really an option unless you want to pull in packages from outside Debian's repositories. As for KDE, you can run "sudo aptitude install kde-plasma-desktop" on your command line to install it.
11:56<Yst>badargo___: Yeah, try clicking around on the icons at the top of the login screen. One chooses your desktop, one chooses your language, and I don't recall offhand what the others do.
11:56<badargo___>yst can i install mate and kde and the other desktops as well?
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11:57<badargo___>aww maybe that woud be a bit too much
11:57<Yst>You have to install languages though, so you probably can't change your language until you do.
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11:57<badargo___>but i would like to do stuff like pimp the terminal
11:57<badargo___>make it transparent
11:57<badargo___>and maybe have an animated desktop too
11:57<Yst>badargo___: Yeah, you can install as many as you want. Be aware that each will cause many applications to be installed though, so your application menus will be cluttered.
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12:00<badargo___>Yst: thank you!
12:01<Yst>Yeah, any time!
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12:30<drzacek>Hello there
12:31<drzacek>I'm currently installing debian using jessie installer. Am I right to assume that the installer doesn't contain all the possible device drivers and thus my wireless card is not being detected / no network is configured?
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12:32<drzacek>any way to sideload the needed driver for the installation process?
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12:34<kevingeorge>hai hello
12:35<annadane>i want to say https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en
12:35<annadane>though not sure if that answer is right
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12:37<drzacek>annadane, looks good
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12:37<annadane>i don't fully understand the difference between firmware and drivers
12:37<drzacek>now to find the right stuff
12:38<drzacek>annadane, from my observations it is often used as synonyms, sometimes distunguished as in drivers == open source, firmware == 3rd party software
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13:26<agaida>^^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmware vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_driver
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14:09<hubot>I translated Debian wiki page SELinux/Setup
14:09<hubot>https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup | https://wiki.debian.org/pl/SELinux/Setup
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14:31<techie28>Im running Debian Jessie 32 bit and want to upgrade to Debian Stretch but 64 bit.. is it possible?
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14:33<zeta>techie28: read this https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading
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14:34<zeta>i think it would be better to do the dist-upgrade separate from the switch in architectures
14:34<somiaj>techie28: with changing arches, I would suggest a reinstall.
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14:47<techie28>I believe ARM64 would be better over AMD64
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14:48<bremner>uh. you need different hardware for that
14:48<bremner>so, basically, "no".
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14:50<annadane>architecture depends on computer
14:50<annadane>you can't just randomly choose to use arm64
14:51<techie28>I do have 64 bit supporting hardware
14:51<annadane>(depends on processor, more specifically)
14:51<annadane>sure but it doesn't mean it's compatible with arm64
14:51<techie28>annadane, how to know that?
14:51<annadane>that, i'm actually not sure
14:52<bremner>your PC is not ARM64. I guarantee it.
14:52<techie28>bremner, please tell me how you say so?
14:52<techie28>I want to undestand
14:53<annadane>there is i suppose https://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort#Supported_hardware
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14:53<annadane>ignore that
14:53<annadane>wrong link
14:54<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Port#Hardware.2C_emulators_and_models is more to the point
14:54<oliva>hi all, is there a way to trigger a command when automount mount a device?
14:55<bremner>techie28: because x86 and ARM are two different families of processors that use different instruction sets
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14:58<techie28>bremner, I had installed 32 bit earlier that is correct but the output of "lscpu|grep "CPU op-mode" says 32-bit, 64-bit
14:58<techie28>does that not means I can?
14:59<bremner>techie28: you and install amd64 (or x86_64, as intel likes to call it)
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15:08<badargo__>ayyyy
15:08<badargo__>whats Debian stands for? Deborah?
15:09<annadane>ian is ian murdock, inventor of debian, and his then-girlfriend deb
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15:09<annadane>also
15:09<annadane>!offtopic
15:09<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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15:14<badargo__>thats so lame :(
15:14<badargo__>so he got dumped but the system gets his ex name
15:14<annadane>once again, see !offtopic
15:15<badargo__>hey nobody is chatting u know :S
15:15<badargo__>and its about debian origins so aint so ot is it?
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15:16<bremner>please, take a hint.
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15:16<annadane>it's off topic in that this is a support channel for people with debian *problems*.
15:16<badargo__>so discuss how debian was born is ot, ok
15:16<annadane>yes, it is, end of conversation
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15:20<badargo__>annadane: how can i find a log listing the nouveau and firmware errors i get everytime i boot in debian?
15:21<annadane>dmesg | grep firmware
15:21<annadane>if you're on stretch you'll need to be root
15:22<badargo__>annadane: dmesg | grep firmwware as superuser shows no output
15:23<bremner>less w
15:23<badargo__>oh yeah
15:24<badargo__>it worked :P
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15:24<badargo__>annadane: i get this: "[ 12.660189] usb 2-5: firmware: failed to load ar3k/AthrBT_0x31010100.dfu (-2)
15:24<badargo__>" what shoud i do to stop msgs like this?
15:25<annadane>well, first of all
15:25<annadane>you should give your full output to paste.debian.net because "messages like this" is vague
15:25<annadane>that particular message probably means firmware-atheros which is in non free
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15:26<zeta>badargo__: in general, you can ask the apt-file command to figure out where to get a certain file from
15:27<badargo__>ohh think i can find it that way zeta? im gonna try that
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15:28<badargo__>u mean apt-cache search "ar3k/AthrBT_0x31010100.dfu "? i dont think that will work :S
15:29<zeta>badargo__: annadane already answered the question this time, but it would make sense for you to learn how to do it yourself for next time
15:29<zeta>no, i mean apt-file. as described here: https://wiki.debian.org/apt-file
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15:29<annadane>you should slow down and listen to what people are telling you
15:30<badargo__>so u guys dont like if i ask for suport either
15:30<annadane>...
15:30<badargo__>ok
15:30<annadane>you can ask for support
15:30<badargo__>sorry for asking then
15:30<annadane>i'm just saying that you're rushing things
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15:30<annadane>zeta mentioned apt-file and you say "you mean apt-cache?"
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15:33<badargo__>yes, my mistake, im sorry
15:34<annadane>linux is fiddly at the best of times even when you know what you're doing
15:34<annadane>if you don't, you shouldn't just guess
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15:43<oliva>Hi I'm using ocfs2 with automount and quota, everytime the ocfs2 filesystem is mounted I have to enable quota with quotaon. Is there a way to automatically run quotaon when the filesystem get mounted?
15:46<badargo__>I wont guess and experiment anymore, just copy and paste from now on, thanks!. also no off topic neither but temember to look for support in paste debian before asking here and above all, learn how to do things by myself before asking people to help me learn them, even if asking help then will prove useless after learning... by myself! thanksss
15:47<annadane>well, don't just copy and paste either
15:47<annadane>blindly doing that isn't good
15:47<annadane>i mean, if it's advice from here you're probably ok
15:47<annadane>just not from random internet websites
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16:01<badargo__>annadane: i thank you for ur invaluable support and great service!
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16:33<itd>oliva: Maybe you could (mis)use inotify for that, if it is always mounted at the same location. (No idea how exactly, though.)
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16:40<average>any xpdf maintainers here?
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16:54<zeta>!ask
16:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:54<zeta>oh, they left already
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16:55<techie28>can a debian netinst.iso directly be booted via GRUB? I read somewhere that all ISO's do not do so and may have some initrd problem
16:56<techie28>Im trying to upgrade to stretch 64 bits from Jessie 32 bits
16:57<iKarith>It just crossed my mind: It would actually be useful to be able to save a screenshot of a terminal window--as text and attributes rather than as an image. I wonder if tmux can somehow be coaxed into saving such a thing?
16:57<iKarith>techie28: like, in place?
16:58<iKarith>techie28: I hope you've got backups. :D
16:58<techie28>yes I do iKarith
16:58<iKarith>Good. It'll _probably_ work.
16:59<iKarith>But if it doesn't, it's likely to asplode brilliantly.
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17:03<zeta>iKarith: i believe the feature you're looking for is called "hardcopy". there seem some ideas floating around on google on how to achieve it with tmux instead of screen
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17:26<youngblood>hey guys
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17:27<youngblood>i was wondering does anyoneelse have kali linux?
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17:27<youngblood>i need to have either an opera safari or chrome browser but cant seem to install it for some reason
17:28<youngblood>i guess kali isnt supported by them?
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17:28<youngblood>need it to learn sql
17:28<youngblood>i have firefox and IE but they wont support sql statements
17:29<annadane>!kali
17:29<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
17:29<Maarten_>youngblood: are you running kali or also have debian box ?
17:29<youngblood>ok well thanks and as far as im informed kali is a debian based linux distro ;D
17:30<annadane>!based on debian
17:30<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
17:30<youngblood>@_maarten i am running latest rolling kali
17:30<youngblood>i dont have a debianbox
17:30<Maarten_>youngblood: anyway you want to look in the repo for mysql workbench
17:31<youngblood>anok man apreciate it
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17:31<youngblood>btw i cant get on internet from a box i dont have a usb wifi nor do i have ethernet
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17:31*Yst does a double take upon hearing "I don't have a Debian box."
17:32<youngblood>no use as i cannot have internet on VM as of now
17:33<Yst>Yeah, feel you. I don't have an Internet connection at home either.
17:34<Maarten_>youngblood: hihi... i dont get it ... if you don't have an internet connection ... how are you talking to us over the internet??
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17:34<youngblood>i am using an ips which means i do not have my omw modem
17:34<youngblood>own
17:34<youngblood>*
17:35<Maarten_>what is ips
17:35<youngblood>and fyi u cannot use internet on VM if u do not have a second wificard...
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17:35<Yst>It's ... rather inconvenient.
17:35<youngblood>internet proxy service
17:35<Maarten_>?? if you can connent to irc why cant you connect to your repo?
17:36<youngblood>what it does is taps off of other nearby modems and connects u via a client code
17:36<Maarten_>can you do an apt-get right now?
17:36<youngblood>bcz 1. i dont have an extra wifi interface
17:36<youngblood>and it is literally impossible to connect an ethernet cable since theres no modem
17:37<youngblood>ofc but i can only do it on my main host
17:37<youngblood>not on gues stations u understand??
17:37<youngblood>that is the reason i dont have a debian VM on this thing
17:37<youngblood>but yes i can on this pc right now
17:37<Maarten_>oke but what is the host os?
17:38<youngblood>kali
17:38<Maarten_>so your host is kali what is your guest?
17:38<youngblood>deb
17:38<youngblood>not that it really matters tho
17:38<youngblood>i need hardware to fix that problem
17:38<Maarten_>oke and you want to install stuff on deb guest?
17:39<youngblood>all i wanted to know is how to install one of the browsers mentioned above so i can properly execute sql commands
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17:39<Maarten_>well actully it does... trying to figuer out how you could solve this...
17:39<youngblood>believe me mate
17:40<blast007>youngblood: Debian has Chromium
17:40<youngblood>ive looked far and wide but it all comes down to the ethernet cable or and extra wifi interface
17:41<youngblood>thnx @blast007
17:41<youngblood>chromium
17:41<youngblood>nice one
17:41<youngblood>just did the apt-get
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17:41<Maarten_>no... no need you can use one of the many apt offline tools
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17:46<Maarten_>i want to boot my complete system from ram.. i have 16gb and no swap... how big can my system be at max to fit into ram?? will it in ram be same size compressed or bigger then on disk?
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17:48<youngblood>why boot from ram?
17:48<youngblood>use usb mate
17:48<youngblood>is alot easier
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17:49<youngblood>btw ram isnt reammy used for booting, well.. not by my knowledge
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17:49<youngblood>what system are u gonna boot?
17:50<Maarten_>well at least the main file system...
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17:50<youngblood>yh i know what u mean
17:50<Maarten_>but was hoping to also load some mount into ram
17:50<youngblood>u wanna use ur ram as hard memory ?
17:50<youngblood>why?
17:51<youngblood>will drastically slow down performance
17:51<youngblood>if u really wanna reboot into new os u should use pendrive linux
17:51<Maarten_>what running in ram will slow down preformance, how so?
17:51<youngblood>oh btw nice ram space
17:51<youngblood>16 gb?
17:51<youngblood>damn
17:51<youngblood>ur not playing
17:51<Maarten_>on my laptop hihi
17:51<annadane>!offtopic ...
17:52<youngblood>well ram is basically, as i understand it ur pc's work power
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17:53<youngblood>u wanna boot on harddrive mate
17:53<Maarten_>but ya anyway, im wondering if all would fit or if i need to move some stuf over to other partion.
17:53<Maarten_>yes one hardrive into ram
17:53<youngblood>i guess it would
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17:53<youngblood>16 gigs is more then enough to fit an OS
17:53<blast007>Maarten_: what kind of device are you booting from?
17:53<youngblood>but personally never tried it b4
17:54<blast007>rotational hard drive?
17:54<youngblood>just a normal 32 GB usb flash
17:54<youngblood>ull need like 2 gb for the os alone
17:54<youngblood>really not alot of space there
17:54<youngblood>make that 4gb
17:55<youngblood>i think thats a bit closer
17:55<Maarten_>blast007: im have a 60GB hardrive in my laptop with 16gb ram
17:55<Maarten_>blast007: harddrive is ssd if that is what you mean?
17:55<blast007>Maarten_: yes, that's what I mean
17:57<blast007>your system is already going to cache things from the SSD into RAM
17:57<Maarten_>any idee on filesystem size in ram compared to ondisk size?
17:57<blast007>things you've actively been using
17:58<Maarten_>ah oke.. it says im now using 1.5gb ram
17:58<blast007>check the output of 'free -h'
17:58<blast007>there will be a buf/cache section
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17:59<Maarten_>total used free shared buffers cached
17:59<Maarten_>Mem: 15G 2.3G 13G 32M 42M 741M
17:59<Maarten_>-/+ buffers/cache: 1.5G 14G
17:59<Maarten_>Swap: 0B 0B 0B
17:59<annadane>!paste
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18:00<Maarten_>annadane: oke sorry...
18:00<blast007>so right now, you have 42MB in buffers and 741MB cached
18:00<Maarten_>what does that mean?
18:01<Maarten_>really i only have 2.3g of free ram space??
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18:02<Maarten_>then i might not work...
18:02<blast007>no, you have 13G of free memory, 2.3GB used
18:03<blast007>but my NAS, for instance, has 13GB used for cache right now (and only 165MB "free")
18:03<Maarten_>oke then to be save let say i want to limit to 10gb in ram.
18:04<blast007>data from cache will be removed if the running applications need more memory
18:04<JaguarDown>Intermediate Linux user here. Fresh Debian 9 install with MATE desktop (about two days.) Just experienced what was probably a memory leak with mate-settings-daemon using all of CPU and RAM and forcing Debian to start using swap. I have 16 GB of RAM! Should I report as a bug?
18:04<JaguarDown>Killed the process, daemon just restarts and continues with the leak, had to restart to resolve.
18:05<JaguarDown>restart as in reboot
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18:05<badargo__>hey how to use the mv command to move a directory?
18:05<blast007>Maarten_: I'm not sure if the Debian Live images have a "toram" option
18:05<Maarten_>blast007: does that mean i have to shrink the main files system to 10 gb and move the rest to other partion /filesystem or does it need to be smaller then 10gb
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18:06<badargo__>yoo Maarten_ o/
18:06<blast007>Maarten_: I've only ever done it with live CDs/USBs
18:07<lindi->JaguarDown: sounds like https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-settings-daemon/issues/44
18:07<Maarten_>JaguarDown: about 20 minuts ago i had exact same thing, i have it at least couple of times aweek im on jessie..
18:07<Maarten_>badargo__: hi
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18:08<Maarten_>JaguarDown: what i would like to know is how i can do open terminal and do a force restart mate.. any idee how to do that?
18:08<JaguarDown>Interesting, I think I was just reading that bug but haven't read it close yet
18:09<badargo__>mv /home/badargo/Scripts /home/badargo/Documents/
18:09<badargo__>mv: cannot move '/home/badargo/Scripts' to '/home/badargo/Documents/Scripts': Directory not empty
18:09<badargo__>theres no recursive option
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18:09<badargo__>so whats the trick?
18:09<JaguarDown>Maarten_: No I can't say that I do, sorry I am a beginner/intermediate Linux user.
18:09<Brigo>badargo__, use cp
18:11<blast007>badargo__: does /home/badargo/Documents/Scripts already exist and have files?
18:11<badargo__>blast007: yesss
18:11<Maarten_>badargo__: mayby try mv /home/badargo/Scripts/* /home/badargo/Documents/Scripts/
18:11<blast007>that's why
18:12<badargo__>guess i will empty the folder first then
18:12<badargo__>thank u guys
18:16<JaguarDown>Anyone ever have both Firefox and Chromium be invisible? ps aux | grep firefox shows multiple instances of firefox running but they're nowhere to be found. Chromium shows up in the bottom MATE task bar panel thing but the window is not visible.
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18:18<Maarten_>JaguarDown: yes...
18:18<JaguarDown>Maarten_ you use MATE as well?
18:19<Maarten_>JaguarDown: in the right corner you have 4 display, mostlikely they move to one of the other 3 displays
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18:22<JaguarDown>Maarten_ I checked them, they're not there
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18:23<JaguarDown>Maarten_ I looked, they aren't there.
18:24<JaguarDown>Sorry didn't realize I replied twice.
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18:25<Maarten_>JaguarDown: sorry then i don't know
18:26<Maarten_>have you tried turing it of and on agian (not reboot)
18:27<Maarten_>JaguarDown: i like mate but it has some issues from time to time
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18:28<JaguarDown>Maarten_: I might switch to gnome, that's what I was going to install originally.
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18:30<badargo__>hey guys, redhat has some certifications that have market value, does debian have that too?
18:31<Maarten_>JaguarDown: well sure you should try them all out.... gnome is by design for touch screens, if you have a touch screen you will love it, if not ...
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18:35<sney>badargo__: not really, though LPIC has (had?) an apt/dpkg specialty
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19:34<rican-linux>I just moves from stretch to testing and now my nvidia card is not working I see that dkms has not built it for the new kernel but the bbswitch kernel module. How do I get DKMS to rebuild the nvidia module?
19:34<rican-linux>I meant DKMS build the kernel mod for bbswitch
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19:40<annadane>rican-linux, #debian-next
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19:40<rican-linux>ok thanks
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19:47<rican-linux>FYI if anyone asks you need to reinstall the nvidia-kernel-dkms package
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20:39<marisol>alejandro
20:39<annadane>!es
20:39<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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21:19<Meson>Wifi problems
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21:22<somiaj>you need to be more specific. Most common issue in debian is missing firmware.
21:23<Meson>Hey. I know. Thanks. My new Stretch installation is stuck in airplane mode and Wifi won't turn on.
21:23<Meson>I can only find some Ubuntu articles on this, but, they don't seem to apply.
21:24<blast007>is there a hardware switch that controls your wifi? or a 'Fn + something' key combo for wifi control?
21:24<Meson>Hmm. No hardware switch, but let me see if there happens to be some Fn combo....
21:26<Meson>...Yes, there most certainly is. I've never used it under Windoze, and I just put Stretch on with it. Unfortunately the Fn+F12 doesn't seem to be altering anything.
21:28<somiaj>rfkill is a comman that can check for hardware or software kill switches.
21:28<Meson>Ok, looking into this...
21:33<Meson>Ok: Would "Hard blocked: yes" indicate that the airplane mode has to be toggled through the device?
21:33<Meson>soft blocked was no
21:33<somiaj>hard blocked means you have a hardware switch.
21:34<Meson>I only know of that Fn key ...which doesn't seem to do anything.
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21:35<somiaj>you chould check the firmware/bios configuration tool.
21:35<Meson>Do you mean the BIOS, itself? Or something in Linux?
21:35<somiaj>well many stystems these days are not bios, but still have a confugration tool
21:36<somiaj>but yes, many refer to the BIOS as the configuration tool
21:36<Meson>So, I can possibly disable airplane mode in the BIOS?
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21:36<somiaj>maybe, I don't know your hardware.
21:37<somiaj>you could also look up the hardware on line
21:37<Meson>I'll check that, in a moment. I still am seeing what this rfkill can do.
21:37<Meson>Yeah, I've been trying that...
21:39<somiaj>mostly it can just inform you of any kill switches, and I think it can toggle the software switch.
21:40<Meson>That's what I had in mind. Right now, I'm heading for BIOS (in the other box). If nothing ...then, I'll check out toggle.
21:40<Meson>Have you tried Stretch?
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21:41<somiaj>tried stretch? This is a hardware switch, so I don't think stretch will help
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21:42<Meson>I was just wondering if you've tried it.
21:43<Meson>Nothing about Airplane in the BIOS. Damn.
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21:43<somiaj>many here have tried stretch, but in this case I would ask a more specific question.
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21:47<blast007>Meson: do you have a wired connection attached to that system currently? some systems can/will disable wifi when they're plugged into a network.
21:48<Meson>blast007: Actually, I do: Ethernet ...until, I can get WiFi working.
21:48<Meson>I think I will power it down, remove the ethernet, reboot and try the F keys again.
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21:49<somiaj>maybe just unplug the network wire and then run rfkill again
21:49<somiaj>see if that is enough to triger the hard switch
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21:49<Meson>well, 'tis done...
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21:51<Meson>...to no avail.
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22:43<mwsd82>Hi there, good night.
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22:46<mwsd82>I want to troubleshooting my synaptic mouse driver. I want to configure it to works same as windows... When you do a faster double clic it works as a simple clic in order to activate menus, buttons etc..
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22:50<mwsd82>Couldn't do it: https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad I don't have /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf
22:50<mwsd82>Can you help me please?
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22:54<retrospectacus>you can create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf
22:56<mwsd82>Hi retrospectacus. Appreciate that.
22:57<mwsd82>So I only have to put all the content from Section "InputClass" to EndSection according the example and play with the options?
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22:58<mwsd82>Did you have work with this before?
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23:00<retrospectacus>X11 configs, yes long ago... synapic no
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23:16<mwsd82>Ok dude, thanks a lot. Still recollecting information about it.
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