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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-07-24

---Logopened Mon Jul 24 00:00:24 2017
00:00-!-schoppenhauer1 is "css" on #bitlbee
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00:10-!-user is "realname" on #debian
00:10-!-user is now known as Guest743
00:10<Guest743>ola
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00:11-!-gnugr is "Vangelis Mouhtsis" on #debian-mysql #debian-mirrors #debian-mentors #debian-mate #debian-lts #debian-live #debian-kde #debian-kbsd #debian-installer #debian-hurd #debian-gr #debian-gnome #debian-glibc #debian-gis #debian-ftp #debian-forensics #debian-edu #debian-dpkg #debian-devel-changes #debian-desktop #debian-derivatives #debian-cloud #debian-cd #debian-bugs #debian-boot #debian-arm #debian-apt #alioth #debian-apache #debian-68k #debian
00:12<Guest743>pessoal quero falar de comandos
00:12<Guest743>do terminal da plataforma
00:13<Guest743>cade p Dio
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00:15-!-platvoeten is "Platvoeten" on #debian
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00:17-!-infernix is "the funk phenomena" on #debian #awesome #ceph-devel #linux-nfs #lartc #debian-systemd #debian-next #debian-live #debian-cloud #qemu #ceph-ansible #ceph
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00:42-!-linuxmodder is "Corey Sheldon" on #smxi #apparmor #codesurfers #Corsair #debian #ext4 #fossology #fosscar #freenode #gcc #https-everywhere #ipv6 #irssi #kvm #linux #oftc #openbox #openstack #cryptoparty
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00:43-!-brunoramos is "Bruno Ramos" on #debian #debian-next #debian-mentors #debian-bugs #debian-doc #debian-forensics #debian-games #debian-installer #debian-perl #debian-reproducible #debian-welcome #packaging #debian-offtopic #debian-boot #debian-cloud #debian-js #virt
00:48<lexruee>piper: just as an info. compiling the whole linux 4.11 source package for amd64 took 3 hours and 34 minutes and it consumes ca. 37GB disk space. (system: ssd, 12GB ram, intel i7 5600u). :-)
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00:57<Drzacek>hello there
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00:57<Drzacek>whats with the irc spam recently?
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00:59<josegatica>Drzacek: me too
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01:10<Jan\>got the spam too
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01:14<Nick1296>I'm having issues too. I'm even getting spam messages
01:15<lexruee>i got spam as well
01:16<Drzacek>I saw a lot of that crap in #gnu @freenode
01:16<k-man>is there a gui based app for gpg key management?
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01:22<Nick1296>Are the 9.1.0 images the new ones?
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01:23<Nick1296>Not testing. The current images
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03:49<santi>Hola
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03:51<amacater>!es
03:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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04:20<mtcjayne>I'd like to provide my users with the ability to have encrypted home directories but I'd also like them to be able to run daemons out of their home directories that start on boot. Is there any way to do both? I'd looked at a FUSE option called encfs but that would require me using a password to unlock each user's encrypted homedir.
04:20<mtcjayne>I'm thinking relying on filesystem permissions is going to be the best I can do.
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04:24<rudi_s>mtcjayne: Yeah, full disk crypto + permissions sound like a good solution.
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04:38<sbine>Salut
04:39<itd>sbine: Hello.
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04:44<mtcjayne>when sshed into a Debian install with Putty in Windows does anyone know how to access the other consoles labeled 2-4 (shell, shell, and log)?
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04:45<rudi_s>mtcjayne: Ctrl-a 2 - it's a screen (I think).
04:46<petn-randall>mtcjayne: When you SSH into a machine it's a new shell completely independent of those on ctrl+alt+F1 to F6.
04:46<petn-randall>mtcjayne: You can use 'chvt' to switch the terminals on the physical machine, but it won't change any terminal in your SSH session.
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04:47<diefi>hi, I have a problem with my desktop, all the icons and applications are gone. Is it a problem with x11 or what causes that exactly?
04:47<rudi_s>petn-randall: "debian install"
04:47<mtcjayne>yeah
04:47<mtcjayne>thanks rudi_s that was what I was looking for
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04:48<jm_>so ssh installer starts screen with same info as on VT-s, neat
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06:08<mtcjayne>I'm trying to set up my system so users can set their own passwords through the WinSCP client, but I can't get it working. I'm not yet sure what's to blame.
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06:09<mtcjayne>WinSCP allegedly supports two password change methods they call "Explicit password change request" and "keyboard-interactive authentication"
06:09<mtcjayne>Does anyone know anything I can use to get this working? Password expiry changes work find in Putty.
06:09<mtcjayne>(I want to give users SFTP access without shell access right now which is why I'm going this route.)
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06:10<grawity>you can easily give interactive access without full shell access though
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06:11<grawity>the "keyboard-interactive" method mainly deals with password expiry
06:11<grawity>i.e. "password expired, please change it now" during regular login
06:11<grawity>all it does is pass through prompts from PAM
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06:13<mtcjayne>yeah and i don't know how to do it
06:13<mtcjayne>Is that a PAM thing or an sshd thing independent of PAM?
06:14<grawity>as I just said, all it does is pass through prompts from PAM
06:14<mtcjayne>figured it out
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08:16<imran>hello
08:16<imran>got a couple quests... well bug really
08:16<imran>i'd use reportbug but that crashes on me
08:17<imran>debian 9.1, just upgraded from jessie. 1. can't use the gnome (I assume on x11) option, when i enter my password, i assume it crashes, and i get dropped back to the login screen, can use gnome on wayland though. 2 the zoom option makes my mouse disappear 3 reportbug crashes
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08:17<jm_>reportbug tty tool crashes?
08:18<imran>jm_: only tried reportbug ui, the gtk one?
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08:19<jm_>imran: have you checked bts?
08:21<jm_>i.e. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=862152 ?
08:21<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/862152 in reportbug (open, moreinfo): «crash when $DISPLAY is defined»; severity: important; opened: 2017-05-09; last modified: 2017-05-30.
08:21<imran>jm_: for my first 2 bugs i'm not sure what packages to check against, gnome-shell i guess? and i haven't looked for reportbug bugs yet
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08:22<jm_>imran: yeah for the first one maybe check gdm log and session log first
08:22<imran>862152 doesn't look like my issue
08:23<jm_>heh I was unaware reportbug has so many bugs reported
08:23<imran>so starting the reportbug ui via the terminal i get
08:24<jm_>careful with pasting
08:24<imran>AssertionError: Function should be called in <MainContext of reportbug thread> but was called in <MainContext of UI thread>
08:25<imran>ah so "OSError: [Errno 101] Network is unreachable" then "During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:"
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08:28<jm_>maybe look thorugh the bugs a bit and submit a new one if you can't find one that matches
08:28<imran>ah i think i spotted my x11 crashing issue
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08:57<imran>x11 crashing problem was xorg.conf issue
08:58<imran>now that i have gnome on x11 back, my mouse cursor is back, think it going walkies is a wayland problem
08:58<imran>and i don't care enough to report a bug about reportbug
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09:00<bremner>ok, probably nonone else cares more than you
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10:39<Maarten_>is there a channel for acceptability/tts questions?
10:40<petn-randall>Maarten_: You can ask your real question, and we'll do our best to answer it or point you to the right channel.
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11:20<android-24d7m17yjlopsery>hi
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11:20<android-24d7m17yjlopsery>hi
11:20<itd>android-24d7m17yjlopsery: Hello.
11:21<android-24d7m17yjlopsery>is this real chat or robot ?
11:21<itd>android-24d7m17yjlopsery: I'm (not) a robot. Do you have a debian stable question?
11:21<android-24d7m17yjlopsery>ye
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11:21<itd>android-24d7m17yjlopsery: Then please go ahead and ask.
11:21<android-24d7m17yjlopsery>have problem with synflood
11:22<android-24d7m17yjlopsery>can help me
11:22<itd>android-24d7m17yjlopsery: Please describe your problem in more detail.
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11:23<android-24d7m17yjlopsery>are sure this live chat ?
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11:24<duclicsic>android-24d7m17yjlopsery: ask your question and the robots will attempt to answer it
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11:27<itd>dpkg: ask
11:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:27<blast007>android-24d7m17yjlopsery: what linux distribution are you running?
11:27<itd>android-24d7m17yjlopsery: If you are looking for a bot, look at dpkg.
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11:31<android-24d7m17yjlopsery>can any body help me
11:32<blast007>android-24d7m17yjlopsery: what linux distribution are you running?
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11:32<android-24d7m17yjlopsery>parrot
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11:32<blast007>!parrot
11:32<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
11:32<blast007>try their IRC channel on that other IRC network, or their mailing list
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11:45<digitalboy>Hi guys, how can I "tell" Debian installer to use the other two DVDs (DVD2/DVD3) during the installation?
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11:46<digitalboy>If I start the installation from DVD1 I don't get the famous "If you wish to scan another CD or DVD, please insert it now."
11:46<digitalboy>I'm using Debian 9
11:46<digitalboy>9.1*
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11:49<itd>digitalboy: You don't need them *during* the install. See "There are lots of files here! Do I need all of them?" on https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.1.0/amd64/iso-dvd/
11:52<digitalboy>Uhm ok, so this is a change starting from Debian 9? I remember Jessie having this "feature"
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11:53<digitalboy>Or maybe I'm confusing it with the netinst ISO..
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12:00<lindi->does DVD1 have all the packages that you get with netinst if you install for example desktop system?
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12:16<knoppix_>i seeing if it works
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12:16<Guest772>yes
12:16<itd>dpkg: test
12:16<dpkg>Test failed.
12:17<Guest772>what else new
12:17<Guest772>i am mike
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12:18<Guest772>u unix to
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12:19<itd>Guest772: Want to chat? Try #moocows!
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12:19<Guest772>i here in santa rosa ca
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12:49<blast007>digitalboy: at least with the text installer, after it installs the base system, the 9.1.0 DVD1 is asking me if I want to scan another CD or DVD.
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13:29<digitalboy>blast007 Thank you for the feedback, did your system had an active network connection at the time?
13:29<digitalboy>Maybe I'm missing something on my end..
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13:32<blast007>digitalboy: yes
13:33<blast007>had you gotten through partitioning and the base system installing?
13:33<digitalboy>Ok, did you tried installing it on a VM or on bare metal? Sorry for the questions but it helps me understand..
13:33<blast007>it was a VM
13:33<digitalboy>Oh ok..
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13:41<digitalboy>I'm retrying to install it ("Normal" text installation, not the expert one) with no kind of active network devices..
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13:48<digitalboy>blast007 With no network connection I'm not reaching that message..
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13:48<digitalboy>I've selected "Do not configure the network at this time"
13:49<digitalboy>Because this PC doesn't connect to the Internet
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13:51<digitalboy>Do you think it is "by design" or it is a bug?
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13:57<digitalboy>What have you answered at the question "Use a network mirror?"
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14:00<blast007>digitalboy: it has not gotten to the mirror part for me yet
14:00<blast007>let me try it again with the network disabled
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14:10<blast007>digitalboy: same result - I get the "Scan another CD or DVD?" prompt just fine
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14:51<pelicano>hey in the case of open some ports in the router where i should go port mapping or port trigger??
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14:57<jelly>port mapping probably, pelicano, but that doesn't sound like a debian question
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15:05<pelicano>jelly, i want to open the port for amule
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15:06<pelicano>which one should i use mappin or trigger
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15:06<pelicano>?
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15:06<blast007>pelicano: read your router documentation.
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15:09<blast007>lindi-: from 9.1.0 DVD1 without network (after installing aptitude, also from the DVD1): http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6e81b12d/ netinst with network (after installing aptitude from HTTP mirror): http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d61b42ba/ (in both cases, I had selected the desktop environment, print server, and SSH server from the tasksel screen)
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15:26<mtcjayne>How do I make Debian stop writing DNS servers from an DHCPv6 response to /etc/resolv.conf?
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15:27<mtcjayne>I've already manually specified the IPv4 and IPv6 DNS server IP addresses I want in /etc/network/interfaces and in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf I've set "supersede domain-name-servers to those IPs as well.
15:27<mtcjayne>They are completely ignored.
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15:33<digitalboy>blast007 I also get the message when I install Debian from DVD1 without network on a VM (Hyper-V) but if I install on "real" metal hardware then I don't get it, I suspect it has to do with the fact the the VM is using an emulated DVD drive and that the Debian installer presents that screen only in the case of DVD media (on the real metal I've used the DVD ISO dd'd on a USB drive)
15:33<mtcjayne>even modifying /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf to not even ask for DNS servers has no effect
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15:34<jmcnaught>mtcjayne: look in your logs for what else might be changing resolv.conf for example "journalctl | grep -i ipv6". Also do you have the resolvconf package installed?
15:34<digitalboy>Anyone has an idea how to mount an USB drive as a DVD drive so the Debian installer would detect/recognise it as another DVD?
15:34<blast007>digitalboy: ah, mentioning it was on a USB would have been useful info :)
15:35<digitalboy>blast007 Sorry, my fault :(
15:35<blast007>you might have to switch to an external DVD drive and use actual DVDs
15:35<mtcjayne>I don't have resolvconf installed
15:35<digitalboy>blast007 Should I be able to mount a Debian DVDx ISO from a shell (busybox) during the installation?
15:36<mtcjayne>nothing else is listed as modifying that file either
15:36<blast007>no idea, I normally use netinst (and rarely install a desktop environment as I do more with servers)
15:36<mtcjayne>With the two servers I get I can't access the Internet at all. So I'm not sure why my ISP is pushing them. The moment I remove them I can access the Internet again.
15:37<mtcjayne>^ I can access the Internet their DNS servers are just unacceptably slow
15:37<jmcnaught>mtcjayne: how did you check what is modifying that file (resolv.conf you mean?)
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15:37<mtcjayne>Bad exaggeration to make while asking for help troubleshooting sorry
15:37<coruja>digitalboy, a or another dvd (meaning you want one or more dvds at disposal)?
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15:37<mtcjayne>I ran the command you listed and checked for the filename.
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15:38<coruja>digitalboy, for only one mount iso/usb-device to /media/cdrom
15:38<mtcjayne>https://pastebin.com/raw/804QY8Ke was the output, and those 3 lines don't appear to be what I'm looking for
15:38<coruja>that's where apt expects it to be
15:38<digitalboy>coruja Thank you for the info, If I would like to mount more than one DVD how should I proceed for the installer (apt) to recognise it?
15:38<digitalboy>DVD image*
15:39<coruja>maybe this may be answered by another one ;)
15:39<jmcnaught>mtcjayne: can you make a paste of your interfaces file? Also we prefer if you use http://paste.debian.net/ instead of pastebin (which has ads and sometimes forces a captcha)
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15:40<mtcjayne>I'll use Debian's, however I always post the raw text link because I know people don't like the stuff you mentioned.
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15:40<mtcjayne>http://paste.debian.net/plainh/d755561e
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15:41<felipe>ff
15:41<felipe>oi
15:41<felipe>tudo bem
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15:41<tidux>huehuehuehue
15:41<felipe>huehue
15:41<felipe>so os hackudo aqui
15:42<jmcnaught>mtcjayne: dns-nameservers is an extension provided by the resolvconf package
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15:42<mtcjayne>Ah
15:42<mtcjayne>So they aren't doing anything beneficial to begin with.
15:43<mtcjayne>Would you suggest I install resolvconf?
15:43<jmcnaught>mtcjayne: yes
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15:46<pelicano>why the ufw firewall doesnt work good in the case of open port or how can i open some port on debian jessie
15:46<pelicano>?
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15:47<jmcnaught>pelicano: Debian has no firewall by default. A port isn't "open" until something is listening on it, for example port 80 becomes accessible once apache2 is installed and running
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15:50<pelicano>jmcnaught, ok but i enable ufw firewall on my system and i just install amule then i added the rule for amule but it doesnt work how can i open those port for amule
15:50<pelicano>?
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15:51<mtcjayne_>The /etc/resolv.conf is still getting written to. Before it was two IPv6 addresses- that while I didn't verify, I assume were my ISP's- and now it's three IPv4 addresses two of which are my ISP's and one of which is one of the several I set.
15:52<jmcnaught>pelicano: You're probably doing something wrong. You could summarize the steps you've taken, make a paste of commands and their output and someone who knows ufw (not me) may be able to help you figure it out
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15:53<mtcjayne_>I was able to pull up the original from /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d/original. The two IPv6 addresses were indeed my ISP's.
15:53<jmcnaught>mtcjayne_: keep looking in your logs for other things that do network configuration stuff. Use diffent grep filters like dhcp, network etc, or just eyeball the output
15:53<blast007>pelicano: you're probably trying to do too many things at once. start without a firewall on Debian and see if your router is configured correctly. After that's working, THEN add a firewall to Debian.
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15:56<pelicano>blast007, ok let me disable the firewall and check if those ports are open right?
15:56<blast007>right
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15:56<mtcjayne_>jmcnaught: I'm really not sure what else to look at at this point.
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15:57<jmcnaught>mtcjayne_: make a paste of "journalctl" for peer review ☺
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15:57<gheorghe>does debian provide a qcow2 image for kvm?
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15:58<mtcjayne_>http://paste.debian.net/977983/
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15:59<jmcnaught>gheorghe: Debian provides openstack images that probably require a bit of tweaking to make work. Why not just install in the VM like normal?
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16:00<gheorghe>jmcnaught because it takes 10 minutes instead of taking 1 second
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16:02<jmcnaught>mtcjayne_: one thing I notice from your logs is that you use "systemctl restart networking". Restarting the networking service like this has actually been deprecated for a while, you should use "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" (to bring down and up eth0 for example)
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16:02<mtcjayne_>Ah
16:03<mtcjayne_>I've also been doing reboots and the behavior hasn't been different as far as I can tell, so that's not a direct culprit
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16:03<jmcnaught>gheorghe: one thing i've done is install Debian to a 'master' VM image that I clone then modify with virt-sysprep. What purpose will the VMs be used for?
16:03<jmcnaught>mtcjayne_: oh i don't think it's related to the resolv.conf behaviour, just an FYI that restarting networking doesn't always work as expected
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16:04<jmcnaught>mtcjayne_: have you tried using static instead of dhcp for your interfaces?
16:04<mtcjayne_>I can't for the one
16:05<jmcnaught>why not?
16:05<mtcjayne_>It's my ISP's connection
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16:05<mtcjayne_>That being said I can try with the information they've given me currently just for troubleshooting but it won't be a permanent solution in itself
16:05<lindi->blast007: thanks. it seems that if you install with DVD1 without network you will not get for example the "host" package
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16:05<jmcnaught>oh… and the undesired nameservers are coming from your ISP's DHCP response then?
16:05<mtcjayne_>Right
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16:06<gheorghe>jmcnaught i don't need any advice regarding virtualization. there is no qcow2 image. i got it. thank you for your help
16:06<mtcjayne_>And I'm not sure if there's a way to just not ask for them or what. I thought dhclient.conf looked like it had an option but it didn't change the behavior.
16:07<blast007>lindi-: which is a dummy package
16:07<blast007>at least in the current version provided "This dummy package is provided for a smooth transition from the previous host package. It may safely be removed after installation."
16:08<jmcnaught>mtcjayne_: you were trying "supersede domain-name-servers …" in dhclient.conf?
16:08<mtcjayne>yeah
16:08<mtcjayne>I also tried prepend
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16:09<jmcnaught>mtcjayne: removed "domain-name-servers" from request in that file?
16:09<blast007>lindi-: actually.. that's been a dummy package for a while. even wheezy has it as a transitional package.
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16:09<lindi->blast007: ah true. another one is "dnsutils"
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16:10<jmcnaught>mtcjayne: if you cannot get DHCP to stop accepting the nameservers, you _can_ put them in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head so they will always be listed first in resolv.conf
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16:11<jmcnaught>put the ones you want in that part of the resolvconf template i mean
16:11<mtcjayne>removed that and domain-name, domain-search, and the 3 IPv6 equivalents
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16:12<mtcjayne>the file claims it will be overwritten so I haven't tried that yet
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16:12<blast007>lindi-: dnsutils is on DVD1. dunno why it's not being installed, though.
16:13<blast007>it doesn't show as "automatically installed" on the netinst install, so it would have been explicitly installed
16:13<blast007>maybe it wasn't included because I didn't configure the network?
16:13<lindi->maybe
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16:14<mtcjayne>the settings remained and worked after ifdown/ifup. Let's see if a reboot predicably follows suit
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16:16<mtcjayne_>jmcnaught: That effectively solved the problem. Still odd behavior but doesn't interfere with what I'm trying to do now. Thanks.
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16:17<cyberoptiq>getting the following 2 error messages when running Synaptic package manager......someone please take a look: https://pastebin.com/6nyXTBeV
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16:19<jmcnaught>mtcjayne_: it's a little confusing, but resolvconf assembles a resolv.conf file from the files in that directory (and dynamic info). The reason that /etc/resolv.conf says "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" is because that's in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
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16:22<mtcjayne_>On to my next deal, which is setting up this machine to give my LAN access to IPv6.
16:23<mtcjayne_>However the ISP only gave the machine a /128 so I'm not sure what to do from here. If anyone has suggestions while I do some research I'll take them. Currently looking into what someone called a bridging firewall
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16:24<cyberoptiq>mtcjayne maybe this helps: A bridging firewall (sometimes called a transparent firewall) is a security appliance that does NOT actively participate in the routing of packets that are allowed by the policies in place to pass through the device. ... A bridging firewall does not require any IP routing changes or subnetting to be inserted into place.
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16:26<mtcjayne_>With no real knowledge on this it seems to me I need to get my LAN machines capable of asking my ISP for an IPv6 address, but I'm not really sure. Since I don't know if I have an allocation to use or not from my DHCPv6 response for machine
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16:28<cyberoptiq>getting the following 2 error messages when running Synaptic package manager......can someone please take a look: https://pastebin.com/6nyXTBeV
16:30<localhorst>cyberoptiq: install apt-transport-https
16:31<mtcjayne_>I have a machine directly connected to my modem in bridged mode. It's currently set up successfully to do NAT and firewalling. I'd like to have clients be able to not only access the Internet via NAT but also by their own IPv6 address. I'm just not sure how do do that because all I know about what address space I have access to is that the machine was assigned a /128 by the DHCPv6 server.
16:31<cyberoptiq>got an "unable to locate package transport-https
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16:31<cyberoptiq>error message
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16:32<itd>cyberoptiq: *apt-*transport-https
16:32<mtcjayne_>throw apt- in front of that, if you didn't already: apt-transport-https
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16:32<jmcnaught>cyberoptiq: it's also showing you 404 errors. Have you run "apt update" recently?
16:32<cyberoptiq>did that
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16:32<cyberoptiq>no matter what I do I get those two error messages you see in Pastebin.....
16:33<localhorst>You may need to replace https by http at least temporarily in your sources.list. Without apt-transport-https you can't fetch packages via https.
16:33<cyberoptiq>even if I have them removed and re-installed.....
16:33<cyberoptiq>I get the 2 error messages.....
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16:35<jmcnaught>cyberoptiq: can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list (and any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/) on to http://paste.debian.net/ and also the output of running "apt-get update" ?
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16:35<cyberoptiq>will do....
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16:37<terrible_>blast007, i cant get those port open in the router
16:38<terrible_>blast007, i already disable the ufw firewall
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16:39<cyberoptiq>jmcnaught here you go: https://pastebin.com/x8DPdWG1
16:39<jmcnaught>cyberoptiq: thanks. in the future please use a better pastebin ☺
16:39<cyberoptiq>??
16:40<cyberoptiq>suggestions??
16:40<cyberoptiq>I thought Pastebin was the choice...
16:40<cyberoptiq>or best I mean....
16:41<jmcnaught>cyberoptiq: pastebin.com has adds and sometimes makes us fill out captchas, especially when there are lot of URLS in the paste. I did mention the Debian one above, but any that doesn't require javascript is fine
16:41<jmcnaught>cyberoptiq: you left out the contents of the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and the output of running "apt-get update"
16:42<cyberoptiq>I see...I only use Pastebin when I come on here...so I'm not too saavy with them....
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16:42<cyberoptiq>sorry jmcnaught will get that now....
16:43<jmcnaught>cyberoptiq: well, i did give a link to use when i requested the information but perhaps you don't read all of what I say
16:44<cyberoptiq>don't see the link you mention....no need to slap me....
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16:45<cyberoptiq>the output of /etc/apt/sources.list.d is there in the Pastebin I provided....
16:46<cyberoptiq>found your link now....
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16:46<cyberoptiq>eyes aren't what they used to be.....
16:47<jmcnaught>cyberoptiq: you showed the list of files in that directory, i asked for the contents of those files. "tail -n 50 -v /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999" will put it all on termbin.com which is an okay one too
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16:47<cyberoptiq>ok
16:48<mnuhmnuh>cyberoptiq: i have yet to see anyone answer the q., so paste.debian.net is preferred. carry on.
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16:49<cyberoptiq>ok jmcnaught the paste is there where you requested.....
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16:49<cyberoptiq>thanks mnuhmnuh
16:50<jmcnaught>cyberoptiq: do you have a URL for your paste? we can't find it otherwise. Also I've got to go, but with the information you gathered in the pastes others here will be able to help you. Good luck ☺
16:51<cyberoptiq>no prob....thanks jmcnaught
16:51<mnuhmnuh>cyberoptiq: what's the url to your paste?
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16:52<cyberoptiq>this is the command jmcnaught gave me to run: tail -n 50 -v /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999
16:52<cyberoptiq>maybe it's on termbin??
16:53<Aldryic>Running that command should've given you a URL output linking to the paste, or perhaps placing it directly to your clipboard.
16:53<localhorst>cyberoptiq: replace your backports line with 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main'. This is the one from the official instructions.
16:53<cyberoptiq>http://termbin.com/q4sc - I'm new to that one...sorry.....
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16:56*mnuhmnuh wish i knew how to use patebinit by now.
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16:58<itd>mnuhmnuh: pastebinit? /msg dpkg pastebinit
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16:59<itd>vnc: Hello.
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17:03<mnuhmnuh>itd: "Unknown website, please post a bugreport to request this pastebin to be added (http://paste.debian.org)". add "-b paste.debian.net" and it works great; tx!
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17:52<gheorghe>anybody knows why apt failed on "setting up dbus" ?
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17:58<melvin>I ran apt-get upgrade as instructed in the installation manual and it upgraded 788 packages...however, when I run apt-get dist-upgrade I get this output https://pastebin.com/qwgWisi1 and it fails with error...
17:59<melvin>I'm trying to do a dist upgrade from jessie to stretch...
18:01<squat>melvin: may be you installed some packages from an other source, in this cae just remove the offending package (you can reinstall it later), or apt-get discovered while installing, that it needs some more dependencies.. so run "apt-get install -f"
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18:07<diefi>am I going crazy, or is the search function for packages gone from the debian website?
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18:11<diefi>ok it moved...
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18:14<melvin>squat: I updated my sources.list to point to stretch and immediately did apt-get upgrade...I did not install any packages other than that...there seems to be something terribly wrong as here is the output from apt-get dist upgrade -o "Debug::pkgProblemResolver=1" https://pastebin.com/RwGUzPVg.
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18:15<mnuhmnuh>melvin: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
18:15<localhorst>melvin: kscreen 1.0.2.1-1 is from jessie but 4:5.8.5-2 is from stretch. So actually the latter should get installed. I'd try 'apt-get -t stretch kscreen' to force an upgrade.
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18:17<melvin>mnuhmnuh: That is what I did followed by apt-get kist-upgrade...
18:17<squat>melvin: or just remove kscreen with "apt-get remove kscreen" and the later resinstall it, removing packages does not remove userdata
18:17<localhorst>do it again
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18:18<Aldryic>I keep wanting to read your user as 'localhorse'.
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18:21<melvin>squat, localhorst: I'll tryf those suggestions and check back...Thanks!
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18:24<localhorst>melvin: Good luck. note, I missed a part of the command: It's "apt-get -t stretch install kscreen"
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18:27<petn-randall>!bat
18:27<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
18:27<petn-randall>melvin: ^^^
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18:34<diefi>anyone knows how my laptop with an ATI Mobilit Radeon HD4650 would handle stretch?
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18:39<coruja>diefi, try a stretch live iso, then you know (in doubt, try one including non-free)
18:39<Brigo>diefi, the problem is not Stretch by itself, is the desktop environment of your choice.
18:40<diefi>KDE should be save
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18:43<mnuhmnuh>Brigo: you can install any wm / env you want, and it'll be added to your login picklist. mate works. fluxbox. works. dwm works.
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18:44<Brigo>mnuhmnuh, yest but not all of them will work if the graphic card is not capable enought.
18:44<mnuhmnuh>what's important's what's running under the hood.
18:45<mnuhmnuh>i've seen cinnamon wailing about resources, but that's the only one i know of.
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18:54<mnuhmnuh>Brigo: oh, yeah, those "compiz fuzion" yada yada thingy's. those i avoid; wretched excess.
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18:56<mnuhmnuh>mesa, gl, gah.
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19:03<melvin>ptn-randall: Here is the output from apt-get upgrade https://pastebin.com/8EeQb2Tc ... there are too many packages kept back to do what dpkg said to do...Here is the ouput fom apt-cache policy https://pastebin.com/AahfEKuc
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19:07<melvin>petn-randall: ^^^
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19:16<RoyK>melvin: is this debian stable?
19:17<melvin>Royk: it is jessie in the midst of an upgrade to stretch...
19:17<mnuhmnuh>melvin: on dist-upgrade, a *lot* of stuff's gonna come down. ensure you've backed up critical data, and go for it.
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19:18<melvin>mnuhmnuh: I get a fatal error when trying to do a dist upgrade
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19:20<mnuhmnuh>melvin: on what? remove it, pull it back in, try again. or re-install.
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19:20<RoyK>I've upgraded a few machines to stretch so far, from jessie, has worke well
19:20<RoyK>melvin: what sort of error is this fatal one? pastebin, please?
19:21*mnuhmnuh stretch is the best i've seen yet. :-)
19:22<melvin>mnuhmnuh, royk: I'll pastebin the pertinent info but it will take me a minute...
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19:26<mnuhmnuh>melvin: packages held back on "upgrade" will be upgraded on "dist-upgrade"
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19:30<melvin>mnuhmnuh, royk: Here is the output from apt-get dist-upgrade https://pastebin.com/rtaQPZLB ... Now when I look at the bottom line I do japt-get dist-upgrade -o "Debug::pkgProblemResolver=1" Iget this output https://pastebin.com/gYjRhWFS shich seems to indicate that there are a lot of problems to be resolved before I can do a dist upgrade...
19:31<melvin>*which
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19:34<mnuhmnuh>i'd give up too. that's a lot of broken. are you sure you installed debian jessie?
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19:41<melvin>mnuhmnuh: are you talking to me? I'm about ready to give up and install stretch from scratch but I'm having a problem booting from the netinst ISO on a USB stick... I've been using jessie for about three years with no problems.
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19:43<mnuhmnuh>melvin: yeah, i'd agree, start over after getting your data saved. it would be simpler than this afterward.
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19:44<mnuhmnuh>what's an 8Gb stick cost these days, five bucks?
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19:46<melvin>mnuhmnuh: Thanks, I'll try after I get the problem with the USB stick resolved...i did a dd if=debian-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=4M; sync to get the ISO on the USB stick but it won't boot :(
19:46<annadane>heck, probably 32gb is 5 bucks
19:46<annadane>(probably not actually, but it's not much more)
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19:50<cruncher>melvin, there you have the error
19:50<mnuhmnuh>i see debian-9.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso == 3.8 Gb. even 8GB is more than necessary.
19:50<cruncher>dont put it on sdb1, but on sdb
19:51<mnuhmnuh>cruncher: duh.
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19:51<mnuhmnuh>why didn't i see that?
19:51<cruncher>happens
19:51<cruncher>late, night, tired, etc
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19:51<melvin>cruncher: thanks, i'll try that
19:52<mnuhmnuh>melvin: of=/dev/sdb
19:52<melvin>mnuhmnuh: Thanks!
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19:53<mnuhmnuh>i just use cp, "cp blah.iso /dev/sdN" ; works.
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20:01<annadane>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-easy
20:01<annadane>er
20:02<annadane>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en 4.3.1
20:03<annadane>(really, just read the entire page)
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20:18<k-man>is there some way to make the virtual console fonts bigger on highdpi screens?
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20:23<mnuhmnuh>https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/kbd
20:24<mnuhmnuh>1st pick from ixquick. should still work.
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20:26<k-man>what is ixquick?
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20:26<hexa->a search engine
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20:28<k-man>what's the benefit?
20:28<k-man>privacy?
20:28<mnuhmnuh>https
20:29<mnuhmnuh>don't you want to tweak the nsa's nose? i do. :-)
20:31<k-man>i'm fairly sure google does https too
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20:35<k-man>what's the debian way to connect to a wifi network independantly of if the user logs in?
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20:41<mnuhmnuh>k-man: fiddle with network-manager applet. it does everything here (mate wm).
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21:32<mnuhmnuh>annadane: "https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en 4.3.1" not found.
21:33<annadane>link works. 4.3.1 means read 4.3.1
21:36<mnuhmnuh>annadane: i'd have said https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en *then* 4.3.1; that works (and is informative, tx).
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21:37<annadane>well, there's a space so it isn't part of the link
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21:43<mnuhmnuh>annadane: obviously, you're a gui guy (dunno what client you use. i'm a text guy (irssi, xterm, slrn, mutt, ...). what you see is not what i see.
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21:49<blast007>mnuhmnuh: gnome terminal makes links somewhat clicky
21:52<mnuhmnuh>blast007: yeah. i've so far managed to avoid that feature. i'm pretty old school. today, i found myself annoyed that my mouse cursor was (helpfully?) disappearing. why'd i want that? dunno.
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21:52<mnuhmnuh>xterm & uxterm here.
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21:55<mnuhmnuh>MB-3 in a terminal, to fire up a web browser, ... what? i'd cut then paste it onto a w3m command line first.
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22:26<supervisor>Just installed antix.....pretty cool
22:28<mnuhmnuh>k-man: #debian-offtopic & https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/09/everybody-lies-how-google-reveals-darkest-secrets-seth-stephens-davidowitz
22:30<supervisor>i wonder if google counts trolling in the data
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22:35<mnuhmnuh>subsystem: i suspect they quantify anything they've data for.
22:36<mnuhmnuh>s/sub/sup/ sry.
22:37<mnuhmnuh>er, wut? confused.
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23:13<captain>hello everybody,this is my first time using weechat
23:13<k-man>captain, welcome!
23:15<captain>thanks.
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23:16<captain>I failed to use ssl to connect to here,why? I use weechat
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23:17<captain>after "/set irc.server.debian.ssl on"
23:17<captain>I can not connect successfully
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23:18<somiaj>https://www.oftc.net/ -- I think you need to use ircs:://irc.oftc.net:6697, you can also ask in #oftc for more information on the oftc network
23:19<captain>oh...thank you
23:19<k-man>also #weechat on freenode is good for advice too
23:19<deltam>lastlog wakd
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23:20<k-man>mnuhmnuh, interesting article, thanks for sharing
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23:24*mnuhmnuh Amira Willighagen - Nessun Dorma. Bravo! Bellisimo! :-)
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23:26<mnuhmnuh>k-man: trust, but verify.
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23:33<captain>thank you. I am now using ssl
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23:43<k-man>woo!
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