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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-07-25

---Logopened Tue Jul 25 00:00:25 2017
00:00-!-schoppenhauer2 is "css" on #bitlbee
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00:01-!-lukas_ is "Lukas Gajarsky,,," on #debian
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00:04-!-inne is "purple" on #debian
00:05<mnuhmnuh>Secure Socket Layer (Netscape, RSA, WWW, cryptography). 'Member Mosaic?
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00:42<grawity>Mosaic didn't have SSL, I think it had something called "S-HTTP"
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03:22<whomai>hellow
03:23<whomai>they are some one hear
03:23<cheapie>Nope :P
03:23<jm_>!ask
03:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:24<rueben>I'm here!
03:25<whomai>some one speak spanish
03:25<jm_>!es
03:25<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
03:27<whomai>thx
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03:39<mrwick>is there any risk to running oldstable? I will eventually upgrade but not just now, meanwhile I just got a surprise amount of updates, mostly non-maintainer uploads, I assume everythinig in oldstable is as tested as stable, true?
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03:40<rueben>I'm running Stretch now. It works great so far!
03:41<RoyK>mrwick: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases - jessie will be supported for a while
03:41<Drzacek>oldstable is jessie, so it was the current system less that 2 months ago
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03:41<Drzacek>you'll be fine, there is a lot of people that didn't upgraded yet
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03:49<capruro>hello!
03:51<rueben>Hey there!
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03:59<ss>hello
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05:40<alkisg>Hi, I'm trying to find some user management application for debian stretch mate. I see that `mate-system-tools` that provides users-admin is available for jessie, but not for stretch (=latest). Was it completely dropped, or was it replaced by something that I can't find?
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05:43<itd>alkisg: It was abandoned upstream, see bug #812730
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05:43<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/812730 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: mate-system-tools -- RoM; abandoned upstream»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-01-26; last modified: 2016-02-24.
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05:48<itd>alkisg: gnome-system-tools might be an alternative. (See http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=133492 and https://github.com/mate-desktop-legacy-archive/mate-system-tools/issues/28 )
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06:12<alkisg>Thank you itd
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06:13<itd>alkisg: No problem. :)
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07:36<schoppenhauer2>my debootstrap is from jessie (raspbian). but I want to set up an lxc with stretch. can a debootstrap-script for stretch be downloaded somewhere?^
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07:40<itd>schoppenhauer2: For stretch (raspbian)?
07:41<petn-randall>!raspbian
07:41<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
07:41<schoppenhauer2>itd: no
07:41<schoppenhauer2>itd: I want to build a linux container → this should be debian specific
07:41<schoppenhauer2>itd: but I found it out: it is "sid", in the sense that sid will aparently install stretch in this version
07:42<petn-randall>schoppenhauer2: Is is always unstable, and at no point were sid and stretch the same.
07:43<schoppenhauer2>petn-randall: somehow, "stretch" is a symlink to "sid" in debootstrap from jessie
07:44<schoppenhauer2>gah. I'll just install jessie and do a dist-upgrade
07:44<petn-randall>schoppenhauer2: Not in Debian though.
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07:45<petn-randall>!based on Debian
07:45<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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08:45<FLD>i wonder why the wine repositories refuse to work via apt-cache-ng: W: Failed to fetch https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages Received HTTP code 403 from proxy after CONNECT
08:48<FLD>ah, https :)
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10:38<Luca91>Ciao!
10:38<Luca91>I've just upgraded my Jessie to Stretch
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10:38<Luca91>Everything is working, except graphic driver
10:38<Luca91>Is there any way to install the fglrx-driver on Stretch?
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10:39<jmcnaught>no it's no longer updated by AMD is not compatible with the xorg in stretch
10:40<Blacker47>Luca91, sure you have firmware-amd-graphics package installed AND cleaned old xorg.conf?
10:40<Blacker47>e
10:40<Blacker47>-e
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10:42<Luca91>Blacker47, jmcnaught, thanks both for the hint
10:42<Luca91>well, I've always used the fglrx driver because I'm on a workstation (at work)
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10:42<Luca91>do you think that the opensource drivers are good enough?
10:43<Luca91>if yes, I'll install it then
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10:44<jmcnaught>they work fine and should already be installed, but you probably need to install the firmware package from non-free
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10:45<Luca91>jmcnaught, thank you, I'll try now
10:46<tda>Does anyone have recommendations for a rednotebook replacement?
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10:50<Luca91>reboot time. I'll be back soon.
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10:51<itd>tda: No, but maybe one of https://paste.debian.net/plainh/5d83ce69 does what you want. :)
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11:12<Luca91>okay I'm back
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11:37<Luca91>I'm back. I figured out that I'm missing xorg.conf in /etc/X11
11:37<Luca91>I suppose that this isn't the correct behaviour, right?
11:38<Luca91>if I try to run Xorg -configure, a new xorg.conf.new is generated in my home dir, but then when I try to start X using this file, I get:
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11:38<jmcnaught>Luca91: most people don't need an xorg.conf, the xorg server will autoconfigure itself
11:39<Luca91>DRM version is 2.48 but this dirver is only compatible with 3.x.x
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11:39<Luca91>jmcnaught, ah
11:39<jmcnaught>Luca91: probably better to 1. describe what is happening and 2. provide full errors, along with the commands that produced them
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11:40<Luca91>jmcnaught, since I saw no xorg.conf in /etc/X11, I've ran Xorg -configure
11:40<Luca91>this command create a new xorg.conf.new in my home dir
11:41<Luca91>when I start X using this file, I get that error
11:41<jmcnaught>and without that file…?
11:42<Luca91>jmcnaught, without that file X start correctly, but again, I'm missing the xorg.conf from /etc/X11/
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11:44<Luca91>jmcnaught, is this the correct behaviour?
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11:46<jmcnaught>no xorg.conf is default. if xorg works without one, why are you creating one?
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11:48<Luca91>jmcnaught, ah I was sure that an xorg.conf was needed (and placed in /etc/X11/).
11:48<Luca91>sorry
11:48<jmcnaught>you're just making problems for yourself :P
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11:49<Luca91>jmcnaught, ahah that's for sure :'D anyway I remember 10 years ago that I used to edit xorg.conf to switch gpu drivers
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12:00<Luca91>anyway I tested the GPU with glmark2. It is working perfectly with the opensource driver ;)
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12:01<Luca91>Last problem: kdm is not starting. I have to log and then run startx. I'll try to fix this now.
12:02<pinaraf>Luca91: kdm is deprecated since a few years
12:03<pinaraf>you should be using sddm instead
12:04<Luca91>ah, okay thx
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12:05<Luca91>anyway it is not starting at boot (I've to login and then run startx)
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12:06<Luca91>I've reinstalled the package. It is time for a reboot ;)
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12:08<woolcoat>hello
12:09<woolcoat>Can I fix the random source?
12:10<itd>woolcoat: Maybe, what exactly is your problem?
12:10<woolcoat>The machine has no random source.
12:10<woolcoat>Does debian come with the most random text file?
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12:12<itd>woolcoat: Are you talking about /dev/random?
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12:13<woolcoat>you make the code
12:13<woolcoat>put it where you want
12:14<woolcoat>How do I rig the smoke detector to the debian machine?
12:15<woolcoat>It is a good day to be alive!
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12:15<Luca91>Everything fixed :D
12:15<woolcoat>Let's have life more abundantly.
12:15<itd>woolcoat: Maybe, but #debian is not a good place to spam.
12:15<Luca91>I had just to reinstall the sddm package ;)
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12:16<woolcoat>itd: is dev random the certified most random text file?
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12:17<woolcoat>I have ubuntu.
12:17<itd>dpkg: ubuntu
12:17<woolcoat>It is debian based.
12:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
12:17<woolcoat>It uses dpkg
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12:17<itd>woolcoat: No idea, try #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net
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12:18<woolcoat>itd I can put debian on but there is experimental hardware
12:18<woolcoat>do you know how to run sata
12:19<woolcoat>sata which uses a special bios
12:20<woolcoat>the bios has a slot for a system
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12:22<woolcoat>if it is not debian ubuntu goes on it because it is downloaded and burned on disk
12:23<woolcoat>did you read the wiki of trinity test
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12:24<towo`>woolcoat, stop that ot jabbering
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12:25<towo`>that's a support channel, not a social chat
12:25<woolcoat>send debian irc server
12:26<woolcoat>irc and ssh
12:26<woolcoat>add smtp
12:26<woolcoat>netgear still sends email logs
12:26<woolcoat>OK?
12:27<woolcoat>do you want me to move to oracle?
12:27<woolcoat>the game is to be sold
12:27<woolcoat>you are supposed to get debian on my machine
12:28<woolcoat>make a live bootable ssh irc and smtp server which can be installed to disk.
12:28<itd>dpkg: ops woolcoat: off-topic jabbering / spam
12:28<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: itd complains about: woolcoat: off-topic jabbering / spam
12:28<woolcoat>the live is for purposes of headless installs and read only tamper checking
12:29<woolcoat>make sure the most random text file is used as the random source until something external can be rigged in
12:29<woolcoat>ssh uses encryption and irc optionally
12:31<woolcoat>have you seen gentoo system rescue cd?
12:33<woolcoat>send a minimal debian ios with stated requirments
12:34<petn-randall>woolcoat: Do you have a Debian support question? If not, please be quiet in this channel.
12:34<woolcoat>send the custom iso
12:35<woolcoat>I'm awake
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12:36<woolcoat>hurryup before somebody starts radiating my body
12:36<petn-randall>!install stretch
12:36<dpkg>There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
12:36<petn-randall>woolcoat: ^^^ This?
12:36<woolcoat>does it make an iso using package selections?
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12:37<petn-randall>!ask
12:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:37<petn-randall>woolcoat: ^^^
12:37<woolcoat>what is the firmware section about?
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12:38<woolcoat>question
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12:38<woolcoat>can the debian install compile its own abstraction layer at boot
12:38<petn-randall>woolcoat: What are you talking about?
12:38<petn-randall>!xy problem
12:38<dpkg>Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
12:39<petn-randall>!goal
12:39<dpkg>Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
12:39<woolcoat>the goal is to have a solid secure comunication system anywhere on earth
12:39<petn-randall>woolcoat: And what does that have to do with Debian?
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12:40<woolcoat>that is what I can use debian for
12:40<woolcoat>you need to make the code and put it on ISO
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12:41<petn-randall>woolcoat: I don't need to make anything. Try asking a coherent question. If English is not your native language, we can also point you to a Debian support channel in your language.
12:42<woolcoat>that is what you need to be doing
12:42<woolcoat>chrysalis records
12:42<mrwick>maybe woolcoat is a bot
12:42<woolcoat>near the end of the path being a martyr is a glorios light
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12:42<woolcoat>after defeating the yom kippur
12:42<petn-randall>!ops woolcoat is a bot (?) spamming the channel with non-sense.
12:42<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: woolcoat is a bot (?) spamming the channel with non-sense.
12:43-!-woolcoat is now known as kryst
12:45<kryst>the road to ZION
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12:50<kryst>how do you like the scene
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12:51<kryst>woolcoat taken off
12:51<kryst>naked for the glory
12:51<kryst>got your cup ready?
12:52<kryst>"millions" of people
12:52<kryst>"billions"
12:52<kryst>what's it like to be a billionaire
12:52<kryst>hear the sound of those wanting the cup filled
12:53<kryst>billions of tapping rythms
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12:53<kryst>just a rebel on the radiation IO
12:56<kryst>hamburg germany!
12:56*kryst points
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12:58<kryst>adriana you hear rocky yelling out
12:58<kryst>sweat blood
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13:01<oktomus>Hello :)
13:01<oktomus>I'm having trouble with my web service on debian regarding user management, could someone help me ?
13:02<blast007>oktomus: maybe. what's the trouble you're having?
13:03<oktomus>blast007: I have this service which was running by root, so I created a user espacilly for it. But each time I reboot, I have to change the owner of a folder in run which contains the service's socket and pid..
13:05<oktomus>I think I didn't use the right commands, this is my first server
13:06<kryst>who appointed you?
13:06<blast007>is the service being started via a systemd unit?
13:06<oktomus>idk, I'm using systemctl
13:06<oktomus>so yes, I guess
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13:07<kryst>how did you come to be user manager?
13:07<blast007>is it some custom service, or is it something from a Debian package?
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13:07<oktomus>It is a custom service, one that runs gunicorn for my django web app. It listens on a socket
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13:08<oktomus>I created the user using "-r" and set ownership to him on all files/folders used by the service
13:09<oktomus>kryst: What do you mean ? This is a personnal server
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13:10<itd>oktomus: Please ignore kryst.
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13:10<oktomus>itd: ok ^.^
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13:13<blast007>oktomus: did you use this to make your system start gunicorn? http://docs.gunicorn.org/en/latest/deploy.html#systemd
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13:13<kryst>don't reboot
13:14<oktomus>blast007: Yes !
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13:14<blast007>and the 'User' and 'Group' there are set to the user you created (assuming that a group by the same name was created)?
13:14<kryst>there's bugs everywhere
13:14<oktomus>Yes
13:15<oktomus>Once I changed the ownership, if I look for gunicorn service in top, this is the correct user that I created, and not root
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13:16<kryst>anybody want to create REAL root
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13:16<blast007>oktomus: what about /etc/tmpfiles.d/gunicorn.conf ? is that set to your user and group?
13:16<kryst>they keep running sidebased fake root
13:17<towo`>can someone kickbann that stupid kryst bot?
13:17<oktomus>There isn't any gunicorn file
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13:18<blast007>oktomus: the directions on that page I linked tell you to create that file
13:18<oktomus>Once I changed the ownership, I use `systemctl daemon-reload` and `systemctl restart myservice`
13:18<blast007>as well as /etc/systemd/system/gunicorn.socket
13:18<gheorghe>which nick in irc could one PM in order to get info about packages?
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13:18<annadane>gheorghe, don't pm anyone. you can likely ask in here about any given packages you have questons about
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13:19<towo`>gheorghe, for info about packages you don't need to pm anyone
13:19<oktomus>blast007: I have the systems file, the service is already working
13:19<blast007>gheorghe: judd, though you can also use https://packages.debian.org
13:19<annadane>oh, "info about packages". yeah, i see the context now
13:19<gheorghe>ok. if you don't know the answer to my question, please don't suggest something else.
13:19<kryst>oktomus you need to apply for a jn316 authority file
13:19<oktomus>blast007: Ok I get it for tmp, let me try :)
13:19<blast007>(or any of apt, apt-cache, or aptitude can tell you info about packages)
13:19<gheorghe>there is anick you can pm to get info about packages. i will find it myself, thank you
13:20<kryst>adi do you read
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13:20<blast007>gheorghe: like I said, it's judd
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13:21<gheorghe>yes, it is judd, thank you!
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13:21<gheorghe>yea so buster and sid still have gnome 3.22 and arch has gnome 3.24 already :(
13:21<oktomus>blast007: How can the service know wich file to look in tmpfiles ?
13:22<blast007>oktomus: I don't know, sorry
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13:22<oktomus>blast007: np :)
13:23<oktomus>Wow, it seems to work
13:23<blast007>oktomus: seem that /etc/tmpfiles.d/ is a systemd thing, so try reading through 'man tmpfiles.d'
13:23<oktomus>Thanks a lot, this tmpfile is doing exactly what I want
13:23<blast007>sweet
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13:25<oktomus>FYI, these files are not linked at all with service files, there are used only to create specific directories with specific owners
13:25<oktomus>*, when systemd starts
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13:32<kryst>thinstation had a build system
13:32<kryst>input my app into the debian system
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13:33<kryst>create a login for the customized build menu
13:34<kryst>it needs to build application
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13:38<kryst>break devil yoke
13:39<kryst>apply
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13:40<kryst>the linkage layer needs a percentile accuracy measurment
13:40<kryst>then user clicks [APPLY]
13:41<kryst>did oktomus leave?
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13:43<kryst>itd: how to activate DNS
13:43<kryst>when job was in the lucent machine theres some way to leave the body
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13:46<kryst>gnome 3.22
13:47<kryst>the build system needs to build the iso to specs
13:48<kryst>and then the QA tester goes through and tests for a match
13:48<kryst>when it matches three hosts can be used for the software
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13:52<blast007>thank you somiaj :)
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16:01<T-bond>Hello. I would like to ask, if anybody was able to make Plymouth work with Debian 9 and Bumblebee proprietary driver?
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16:05<unleashedmode>AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
16:05<unleashedmode>>_<
16:05<unleashedmode>....
16:05<unleashedmode>spiders
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16:06<unleashedmode>cool this is a debian chat?
16:06<itd>unleashedmode: This is the debian stable support channel.
16:06<towo`>no, it's a debian support channel
16:07<unleashedmode>cool just what i need
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16:08<it>hi
16:09<unleashedmode>i have a debian thats connecting to a mirror thats no longer around how can i get it to connect to the norml debian apt list for wheezy ?
16:09<rudi_s>!sources.list
16:09<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
16:09<rudi_s>unleashedmode: ^
16:09<rudi_s>!wheezy
16:09<dpkg>Wheezy is the current <oldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 ; security support ended on 2016-04-25, but ask me about <wheezy-lts>. Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Final update <7.11>.
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16:10<jelly>or even
16:11<jelly>!wheezy sources.list
16:11<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
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16:11<unleashedmode>can i keep the same OS that was built with wheezy and upgrade it to jessy
16:11<unleashedmode>sorry im still learning about linux
16:12<annadane>should probably change the wheezy paste to "oldoldstable"
16:12<unleashedmode>how would i do that
16:13<annadane>unleashedmode, i wasn't talking about your issue
16:13<unleashedmode>ok
16:13<rudi_s>unleashedmode: Yes, you can upgrade from one stable debian release to the next (don't try to skip releases!) while keeping the system basically the same and only installing newer versions of the packages.
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16:16<jelly>unleashedmode, in-place upgrades are well supported in Debian. read /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie (and also consider jessie->stretch after that)
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16:16<jelly>dpkg, wheezy->jessie
16:16<dpkg>Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>.
16:17<jelly>unleashedmode, ^^ the procedure and caveats and other gotchas are described in jessie release notes
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16:18<jelly>make backups in advance. This may take 2-3 hours of your time, more if you're doing a release upgrade of Debian for the first time ever.
16:19<rudi_s>I don't skip reading the release notes, they are quite important and will help you prevent issues later.
16:19<rudi_s>s/I/And/
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16:21<hubot>I've empty logs in /var/log on my VPS server
16:21<hubot>What's the cause of this?
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16:30<Aldryic>You may have been compromised. Which logs in particular?
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16:35<mnuhmnuh>i just tried "/msg dpkg stretch->buster", and it doesn't appear to know buster exists yet.
16:35<hubot>Aldryic: in /var/log
16:35<hubot>All logs are empty
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16:36<mnuhmnuh>hubot: journalctl?
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16:39<hubot>mnuhmnuh: http://paste.asie.pl/NNnO
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16:41<mnuhmnuh>hubot: that paste looks truncated at ca. 80 chars.
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16:43*mnuhmnuh i recommend "pastebinit -b paste.debian.net"
16:45<hubot>mnuhmnuh: ftp://hubot.pl/journalctl
16:46<hubot>There's no more logs before today
16:47<mnuhmnuh>hubot: you ought to be careful doing that. $badguys might learn something useful to them from that sort of thing; fyi.
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16:49<hubot>mnuhmnuh: I encrypted it using ccrypt
16:50<hubot>mnuhmnuh: I send you password on query
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16:52<mnuhmnuh>hubot: not necessary. did you run the nmap, ms sql server connections, do you recognize the ip addys hitting your sshd, and do you see any successes resulting? hopefully you cn eliminate some of them and drill down to what's actually going on.
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16:53<mnuhmnuh>i suspect someone's either trying to or have got in.
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16:54<mnuhmnuh>trying to is not necessarily a problem; succeeding is.
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16:57<hubot_>I lost connection
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16:58<hubot_>PSAD is locked my ip address
16:58<hubot_>I forgot that I have installed PSAD
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16:58<hubot_>PSAD doesn't allow port scans
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17:00<ach>hi
17:00<jim>(trying to help someone...) is it possible to install debian stretch (or +) on a ps3? I note that #debian-ps3 has 3 people (incl myself)
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17:03<mnuhmnuh>jim: assuming it's never been allowed to connect back to the mother ship after sony disabled that and it's old enough so that feature was still there when purchased, then yes, i believe so.
17:03<annadane>jim, https://wiki.debian.org/PS3
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17:06<mnuhmnuh>annadane: ty 4 the correct. interesting.
17:06<annadane>that said
17:06<annadane>the date on the bottom of the wiki page says PS3 (last modified 2015-04-23 10:54:20)
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17:09<hubot>I removed my ip block from iptables
17:09<mnuhmnuh>meh. just like everything else: trust, but verify.
17:09<hubot>mnuhmnuh: have you look nmap result?
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17:09<jim>annadane, looking at that page now... and having said that, the person who wanted to install left
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17:10<mnuhmnuh>hubot: did you run the nmap, ms sql server connections, do you recognize the ip addys hitting your sshd, and do you see any successes resulting? hopefully you can eliminate some of them and drill down to what's actually going on.
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17:11<mnuhmnuh>jim: edumacational.
17:11<mnuhmnuh>:-)
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17:11<mnuhmnuh>some friend.
17:12<hubot>mnuhmnuh: I ran nmap, no mssql, I ran postgresql and mysql connections, postfix, dovecot, nginx
17:12<mnuhmnuh>oops, thot you said friend., sry.
17:12<hubot>I have no way to check ip addys
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17:13<hubot> /var/log/auth.log is empty
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17:16<hubot>mnuhmnuh: in /var/lib/znc I found following suspected link from IRC: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/T1cmlueY/FJIMG_20170722_134210.jpg
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17:19<mnuhmnuh>hubot: nslookup, nc/netcat; lots of others. but you need only worry about *successes*; there'll always be script kiddies, bots, and $badguys trying to find a way in.
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17:20<Aldryic>hubot: If your auth.log is empty, then it really sounds like you've been compromised and someone wiped it to cover their tracks.
17:20<Aldryic>Your best bet is to immediately pull any data you want to save (individual files is safest), wipe and restart.
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17:21<Aldryic>You don't want to try and 'clean house' unless you really know what you're doing when it comes to intrusion.
17:21<mnuhmnuh>hubot: so, how'd that file get there, and can you find anything *out there* (google?) which mentions that behavior?
17:21<mnuhmnuh>ack.
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17:23<mnuhmnuh>'specially if you're holding others' PII yada yada.
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17:25<mnuhmnuh>hubot: znc == advanced modular IRC bouncer; where you been hangin' out? :-)
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17:45<HumanG33k>Where can i download iso for old debian release ?
17:45<itd>HumanG33k: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/
17:46<HumanG33k>thx
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18:11<adhawkins>Hi guys. Just upgrade a debian server to stretch. Previously, dovecot sieve scripts were working fine, but now they (or at least, the system script) don't seem to be executed. I've tried debugging using the info at https://wiki.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve/Troubleshooting, but not getting anywhere really
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18:11<adhawkins>The only debug I'm getting is a single line: Jul 25 23:08:42 xcp-mailnews dovecot[5327]: lda(andy): sieve: msgid=<72c1a63e-46d1-4f7c-b811-a87ee0ba5599@WSMSG3701.srv.dir.telstra.com>: stored mail into mailbox 'INBOX'
18:11<adhawkins>No reference to any sieve scripts that are being executed.
18:11<adhawkins>Any ideas?
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18:29<mnuhmnuh>adhawkins: the only debug you get is successful transmit & store; [don't know] does dovecot log its work, and can you tell it to be verbose? are your scripts in non-standard places?
18:32<mnuhmnuh>adhawkins: deb maintainer may have changed execute behavior (ie., less verbose, don't bother mentioning scripts, ...).
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18:35<adhawkins>mnuhmnuh: Scripts are (I believe) in standard locations.
18:35<adhawkins>The same locations worked fine in the previous debian.
18:36<adhawkins>I had to modify some of the configs (now in /usr/share/dovecot/conf.d rather than /etc/dovecot/conf.d) to add in the sieve bits
18:36<adhawkins>I'm assuming I've missed something, but I'm at a loss as to what...
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18:37<adhawkins>mnuhmnuh: The web page I linked to for troubleshooting suggests you should get messages detailing which scripts were loaded.
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18:40<mnuhmnuh>adhawkins: don't suppose you've backups of old dovecot config you can diff against current? i'd still hunt for *moar* verbose to see what it's doing.
18:41<mnuhmnuh>adhawkins: and reportbug it. the maintainer may be able to 'splain wtf.
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18:43<mnuhmnuh>adhawkins: you have grepped tracker.debian.org for same, yes?
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18:45<adhawkins>mnuhmnuh: THink I may have misunderstodd where the config was being read from. Just trying to edit the files in /etc/dovecot/conf.d rather than /usr/share/dovecot/conf.d
18:47<mnuhmnuh>adhawkins: been there, done that. ecucational. grr ...
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18:51<adhawkins>I'm wondering what the files in /usr/share are for...
18:51<adhawkins>Now I've modified the correct files, it *seems* to be working again...
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18:53*mnuhmnuh never underestimate the power of pebkac, murphy, and karma. we exist at their sufferance.
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19:00<mnuhmnuh>i've often wondered how the DDs expect users of *stable* to keep up with the re-configuring from upstream or (latest version) behavior stuff they do regularly. i call 'em debian gotchas.
19:02<rosaage>https://gyazo.com/7a3dbd2fab25def6618dc95f71132de3 the main folder where my ts3 server is is full, so I can't start it. Can I move from /home to /? how would I do it?
19:02<mnuhmnuh>'sokay; just "striking", i guess.
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19:08<mnuhmnuh>rosaage: my / is 5.6 GB (used; 23 GB real), so you need to lose some stuff in /. apt-get autoclean?
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19:11<mnuhmnuh>rosaage: no, you can't move from /home to /, but you could move from / to /home.
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19:13<mnuhmnuh>rosaage: clean up /, lose stuff that doesn't need to be there and it should come up fine afterwards.
19:13<rosaage>I was thinking since / is only 5gb and /home has 13gb available If it was possible to shrink the home partion and expand the root partition?
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19:15<jmcnaught>adhawkins: the files you should edit (or create) are in /etc, the files in /usr/share are provided by packages and your changes will be overwritten when the package that owns those files is updated
19:17<rosaage>Wait.. /home isn't even used. the main account is root so the one in the home folder is only used sometimes for ssh access. Can't I just remove the user and delete the partion then?
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19:19<jhyn>Good evening, I am looking for help regarding sound card detection and driver install with ALSA under Debian Jessie
19:19<jmcnaught>rosaage: are you using LVM? your paste doesn't work for me.
19:21<rosaage>I have no idea, /root is a 5gb partion then an extended partition with swap and /home partions
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19:21<jmcnaught>jhyn: is this a new install? why not start with stretch?
19:21<jhyn>I was trying to tinker around a sound issue ; now "alsactl init" or "aplay -l" doesn't detect my sound card even though it appears in lspci.
19:22<jhyn>it is an old install but only headphone sound was working, finally took the time to work on it; i'll do a fresh install if i need
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19:23<arberdarber>Hey there.
19:23<jmcnaught>rosaage: sounds like you are not using LVM. Resizing partitions can be done, but you risk data loss so don't even start without a backup. An easier way is to find something in / that is big, and move it to somewhere on the /home partition, then use a symlink to make it still appear in its old location
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19:23<jmcnaught>jhyn: headphones were working too, but then you did stuff and they don't work either or they still work?
19:23<jmcnaught>jhyn: have you tried pavucontrol?
19:24<jhyn>no, they stop working, also alsamixer refuses to start now. pavucontrol only display dummy devices
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19:24<jhyn>I *think* i need to install a module snd-hda-intel (a driver?) but I don't seem to manage to do it
19:25<jhyn>i did install then purge pulseaudio at some point which was maybe not the best idea
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19:27*RoyK wonders if PHP really is onomatopoethic - the sound you make after puking and trying to recover - PHP!
19:27<jmcnaught>jhyn: no probably not. what does "lspci -nnk | grep -i -A3 audio" say (put it on http://paste.debian.net/)
19:27<mnuhmnuh>rosaage: you could split /home (assuming you need minimal space in /home) and allocate relesed space to /var, /etc/, ...
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19:28<jhyn>http://paste.debian.net/978159/
19:28<rosaage>I don't need anything in home, its currently almost empty
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19:29<rosaage>But I think moving the ts3 folder to /home and then symlinking to /ts3 would work fine?
19:29<jhyn>pavucontrol displayed dummy devices when pulseaudio was installed, now obviously it doesn't display anything
19:29<rosaage>I wouldn't be able to install lots of stuff but the server should start
19:29<jmcnaught>,pciid 8086:3b56
19:29<judd>[8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
19:30<mnuhmnuh>rosaage: yeah, and debian uses a lot of /var (stores .debs on upgrade).
19:30<mnuhmnuh>mine's 9.2 GB.
19:30<jhyn>I don't have snd-hda-intel under lsmod, but I don't know how to install that except with "alsactl init"
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19:31<rosaage>It's only a small vm so I could backup the ts3 server and start fresh too
19:31<jmcnaught>jhyn: that module should already be included. if headphones worked before, it was because snd-hda-intel previously functioned. So what did you to that broke sound? Was it "alsactl init" when things stopped working? Have you rebooted?
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19:32<mnuhmnuh>rosaage: always my first choice. start over, clean.
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19:32<jhyn>things stopped working after a reboot, definitely, when I tried installing pulseaudio iirc
19:32<jhyn>I did purge-reinstall alsa-base, alsa-tools and alsa-utils which may have removes snd-hda-intel?
19:33<jhyn>alsamixer did work before even though I couldn't unmute master w/o headphones, now it doesn't
19:34<jhyn>(I purged-reinstall after purging pulseaudio)
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19:36<jmcnaught>jhyn: reinstall alsa-utils and pulseaudio
19:36<jhyn>currently doing that, I'll reboot and report back
19:36<jhyn>thanks for the help
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19:39<rosaage>What's the most minimalistic debian version?
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19:40<annadane>"version"...
19:41<jmcnaught>rosaage: there are Debian releases, for a new server you should always pick the most recent to benefit from a longer period of security support. But there is no minimal or server edition of Debian, you just install what you want to use
19:41<annadane>i guess you mean desktop environment? probably lxde, though you can choose not to install a GUI
19:41<annadane>well, and there's also fluxbox/openbox
19:41<jhyn>after reboot, alsamixer starts again, pavucontrol sees an audio stream but only dummy devices
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19:42<jhyn>no speaker or headphone sound
19:42<jmcnaught>jhyn: what about "lspci -k | grep -i -A1 audio" and "lsmod | grep snd"?
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19:43<jmcnaught>and "aplay -l"?
19:43<rosaage>I'm running lxde right now, I thought there were several iso installs, or is it one?
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19:43<annadane>rosaage, generally you can just use the first dvd for an offline install, and you can also use net install
19:44<jmcnaught>rosaage: the different isos just have different sets of packages on the disks, but the installers are identical and will just download packages from mirrors if they aren't on a disk. So you *can* install KDE and not GNOME using a KDE ISO image but that would be wasting bandwidth
19:44<jmcnaught>err.. i mean KDE and not GNOME using a GNOME image…
19:44<jhyn>http://paste.debian.net/978160/
19:46<rosaage>is net install a small image that downloads everything?
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19:46<jmcnaught>jhyn: ack… the -A1 on the grep wasn't enough to get the module in use, try -A2 or -A3
19:47<_marioxcc_>Hello.
19:47<_marioxcc_>I intend to install Debian using the "hd-media" method. I rebooted, while having the CD ISO in a LVM LV that I intend to preserve during installation.
19:47<_marioxcc_>However, the installer can't find it. Why?
19:47<annadane>afaik the net install and cd/dvd 1 should be the same but i'm not certain about that
19:47<jmcnaught>rosaage: correct but it has enough on the disk to install a bootable debian system
19:47<_marioxcc_>Are the "hd-media" images not LVM-capable?
19:48<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell _marioxcc_ about crosspost
19:48<jmcnaught>_marioxcc_: please ask on freenode or oftc but not both at the same time
19:48<rosaage>Thanks, I think I'll try that then.
19:49<_marioxcc_>No.
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19:49<_marioxcc_>Some people are only in one channel.
19:49<_marioxcc_>And if I receive I reply, I then in the other channel the problem is solved, so as to not to waste people's time.
19:49<jmcnaught>_marioxcc_: which means they don't know they're wasting they're time researching a question that has already been answered
19:50<jhyn>I checked and the output is exactly the same as before reboot
19:50<jhyn>i.e. http://paste.debian.net/978159/
19:50<_marioxcc_>jmcnaught: No. You did not understand what I just wrote.
19:50<jmcnaught>_marioxcc_: I did, it's still rude, please don't abuse volunteer resources like that.
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19:52<jmcnaught>jhyn: when you were tinkering, what else did you do? did you try installing some drivers from source? did you blacklist anything?
19:52<_marioxcc_>jmcnaught: Well, it is rude according to your judgement, but there is nothing special about it according to my judgement. You can follow your judgement and I will follow mine.
19:52<_marioxcc_>Just because somebody added a memo to the dpkg bot doesn't makes it an universal principle.
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19:53<jhyn>I did add "options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf (which was otherwise empty)
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19:55<jhyn>I did "alsactl init" a few times and kill-restarted pulseaudio and alsa a few times, all before reboot
19:55<jhyn>oh, I also tried to install oss4-base and later removed it
19:56<jmcnaught>jhyn: comment that out. also look in your dmesg output, like "dmesg | grep -i -E '(audio|snd)'"
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19:56<jmcnaught>jhyn: installing oss4, you buried the lede :P that is an alternative to ALSA and it's a wrecker of days
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19:58<jhyn>[ 10.456531] thinkpad_acpi: Console audio control enabled, mode: monitor (read only)
19:58<jhyn>hmm, I hadn't purged oss4 correctly... there was some conf files remaining
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20:01<annadane>how did you purge it, apt purge oss4?
20:02<jhyn>well now I did, I probably did "remove" the first time
20:02<annadane>yeah
20:02<jhyn>I'll try a reboot again with that
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20:06<jhyn>ok, that was it, I got headphone sound back
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20:06<annadane>\o\/
20:06<annadane>oops
20:06<annadane>well, i have 3 arms apparently
20:07<jhyn>sorry for the stupid treasure hunt
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20:08<jhyn>speakers still not working though, I'll keep working on that
20:08<jhyn>thanks for your time jmcnaught, annadane
20:09<annadane>i did literally nothing
20:09<jmcnaught>jhyn: look in alsamixer for an automute channel
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20:10<jhyn>there's only one Master channel, and it reacts when I plug/unplug my jack (volume change)
20:10<jhyn>it's not muted
20:10<jmcnaught>jhyn: F6 to select device
20:13<jhyn>ah-ah, lots of channels now. disabled auto-mute, speakers detected and full volume, still no sound
20:13<jhyn>pavucontrol also sees the speakers
20:13<jhyn>might be an hadware issue?
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20:23*mnuhmnuh i more easily distrust (potentially buggy) software, then hardware (in that order), and i'm a programmer. fwiw.
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20:26<vw>hi
20:26<vw>is any body herer ??
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20:28*mnuhmnuh if vw would run irssi, it would get a list of the hundreds who're connected when it connects. moran.
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20:29<Aldryic>It's.. it's almost like users can be connected without actually being active/present!
20:29<Aldryic>THE HORROR!
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20:32<mnuhmnuh>as if we've nothing better to do than await their "hi ... is any body herer ??" with breathless anticipation.
20:33<Aldryic>Well, you pretty much did just that :P
20:35<mnuhmnuh>meh. i've wine, i'm retired, i've webbish !@#$ in tabs to read/research, and irssi beeps at me when things happen here. kids these days. :-P
20:36<Aldryic>Heh, that's fair.
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20:55<rueben>mnuhmnuh: I'm in the same boat. I work from home, and study programming when I'm not working.
20:56<mnuhmnuh>Aldryic: ya never know. maybe his parents never taught him/it about basic hygeine. i assume innocent until proven guilty. :-)
20:56<rueben>I actually just started using IRC again, after about 20 years.
20:57<Aldryic>HAH
20:57<rueben>Seems like there aren't nearly as many people using it as I had hoped.
20:57<rueben>haha
20:57<Aldryic>Like all things, technology marches on.
20:57<rueben>So must we!
20:58<Aldryic>Maybe if social media had leaned towards IRC rather than XMPP things would've been different, but alas.
20:58<rueben>I'm in China, where Wechat rules supreme.
20:58<Aldryic>My sincere condolences.
20:58<rueben>Thanks.
20:58<mnuhmnuh>rueben: every time i lauch irssi, i see hundreds connected. ymmv. bad app?
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20:59<rueben>Bad government. haha
20:59<rueben>Net is heavily censored here.
21:00<Aldryic>To say the least. A lot of our clients when I was with BuyVM were CN. So many VPNs <_<
21:00<rueben>Yes, the VPN has become the cultural identifier of "who's who" in China.
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21:01<rueben>Sadly, that party will end by February 2018 according to the Party that never ends.
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21:01<Aldryic>Speaking of, I need to finish setting up OVPN tonight
21:02<rueben>Good luck if you're in China!
21:02<Aldryic>Hah, no, thankfully. Currently in the south US.
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21:02<rueben>Does Debian support OVPN through GNOME?
21:03<Aldryic>Although I will say I enjoyed my trips to China much more than going to Japan.
21:03<mnuhmnuh>rueben: ack. it's just surveiled here (til they catch you child pr0ning or "sharing" rights protected media). sorry 'bout your tiannenman protester who died recently. --> #debian-offtopic
21:03<Aldryic>I'm unsure to be honest.. the sparse times I use a UI, it's been KDE.
21:03<Aldryic>And I still tend to stick to CLI instead of GUI.
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21:04<rueben>mnuhmnuh: Thanks for the shout-out.
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21:04<rueben>I tried all the desktop environments that came with my Debian ISO.
21:05<rueben>I think GNOME is pretty nice, and I've got my machine set up in a way I could only dream of with Windows.
21:06<rueben>Minimal and simple. Everything I need, and nothing I don't need. haha
21:07<Aldryic>That was my original attraction to fluxbox :P
21:08<rueben>Also set up virtualenv and now I can use Python3 without typing "Python3" any more. Haha!
21:08<mnuhmnuh>rueben: i like mate, which is kinda like cinnamon; gnome re-done. fwiw.
21:08<rueben>I also tried MATE. It's good.
21:08<rueben>Apparently people who liked the old GNOME were pretty pissed off about the new one.
21:09<rueben>I never used it, so the new one didn't come as an unpleasant surprise.
21:09<mnuhmnuh>people who use the new one were pretty peed off at the old one.
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21:09<rueben>haha
21:10<webuser>lol
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21:11<Aldryic>Another reason to love KDE. Small improvements over time, still basically the same thing from 20 years ago <_<
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21:13<mnuhmnuh>struth. stuff they thot i didn't need to have control over ("I'll handle that for you sir.", in *it's* way), i now have control over. you don't do that to a fluxbox user!
21:13<mnuhmnuh>ot.
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21:15<webuser>Test
21:16<webuser>YAY
21:16<Aldryic>SEGFAULT
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21:18<webuser>Sirs and ma'ams... I need help. I'm trying to run the live USB installer 9.1.0 kde amd64 Debian BUT it's asking me for a password... Why? o.O and what's the password?
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21:19<Aldryic>It's asking you to create a password.
21:19<mnuhmnuh>to secure your new system.
21:19<MrTrain>wait what
21:20<MrTrain>No no, when I try a password, it says login failed
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21:21<mnuhmnuh>MrTrain: perhaps it's asking you to verify entered pword, and you're pebkacing it?
21:22<mnuhmnuh>pebkac. look it up.
21:22<MrTrain>no need to be rude sir
21:23<mnuhmnuh>MrTrain: either that, or it's using the wronk keyboard setup and not understanding what you type.
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21:24<mnuhmnuh>not rude. geeky and minimalist, perhaps.
21:24<coruja>MrTrain, do you mean booting live system or really installing?
21:25<MrTrain>Just booting, NOT installing. I just wanted to see what Debian is like.
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21:27<Aldryic>Heh, so suggesting booting into SU and setting a new root pass is a bit much then.
21:27<Aldryic>I'd check where you got the image from and see if they say what the default password is.
21:27<notaswengr>whats a good image library for loading and writing to an image file
21:27<mnuhmnuh>MrTrain: what iso are you running? url you got it from?
21:28<mnuhmnuh>cdimage.debian.org
21:28<MrTrain>I'll grab the link, one sec
21:28<coruja>MrTrain, normally the live system should autologin and start the desktop
21:29<MrTrain>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
21:29<MrTrain>I nabbed the uh kde one
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21:29<coruja>if not (maybe try reboot first) you could try user:live as user:pass (at least this used to be the login data)
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21:30<MrTrain>I even verified the checksum
21:30<coruja>if this doesn't work, maybe try #debian-live for further debugging
21:32<mnuhmnuh>MrTrain: you do realize, this is *rocket science*, after all. very esoteric stuff, and we're all grateful it works at all [that was sarcasm, btw. :-)]
21:32<MrTrain>I will try again and be back if this doesn't work.
21:33<MrTrain>Fair enough
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21:44<MrTrain>Did ya miss me? xD
21:44<MrTrain>Sadly I'm back but I have news!
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21:45<MrTrain>The password 'live' does indeed work.
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21:45<MrTrain>However my installer is corrupt which I found out.
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21:46<MrTrain>it keeps bringing me back to the login page. If I keep logging in, eventually I reach the desktop. Yay! I was happeh! Then BAM! I got booted back to the login screen. But the desktop looked like something from Windows 98
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21:47<MrTrain>how do I purge a USB stick on linux? I had the tools on windows but I haven't a clue on Linux.
21:53<rueben>I've used mkfs on Linux, but be careful not to format the wrong drive!
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21:56<mnuhmnuh>MrTrain: cp new.iso /dev/usbX
21:57<mnuhmnuh>or gparted on running system
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22:01<MrTrain>I knew it
22:01<MrTrain>My usb drive is bad
22:02<MrTrain>I just bought it and it's already gone bad
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22:02<mnuhmnuh>refund/replace/never go back.
22:03<mnuhmnuh>and bad mouth you at every turn or chance!
22:04<MrTrain>xD
22:05<MrTrain>I'm assuming that Linux can see bad sectors and turm them off to bypass them on USB drives, yes?
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22:05<mnuhmnuh>s/you/them/
22:05<MrTrain>If so ,then it shouldn't be a problem
22:06<mnuhmnuh>MrTrain: that's usually done in the drives by themselves these days.
22:06<MrTrain>Ah okay
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22:15*mnuhmnuh why do i always want to say "yes" to that?
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22:30<xe>anyone know the atheme services command to restart in terminal
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22:35<mnuhmnuh>xe: "systemctl restart atheme" i'm guessing.
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22:35<mnuhmnuh>xe: may need to add sudo or "su -".
22:42<MrTrain>Alright, completely redid the entire USB and I redownloaded and reverified the ISO
22:42<MrTrain>Going to try again
22:42<MrTrain>Cheers!
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22:51<webuser>fail
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22:52<MrTrain>Either the build that's on the site is flawed or it's not compatible with my hardware, which is common hardware.
22:53<MrTrain>Either way, I'm calling it a night. I'll try some of the other builds tomorrow.
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22:53<MrTrain>night ya'll
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22:59<mnuhmnuh>MrTrain: bon chance. if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. :-)
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