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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-07-26

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00:56<smile>where are you
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02:15<dutchfish_w>hi, since i upgraded from jessie to stretch and converted to php7.0 in a apache2 setup, php7.0-sybase no longer seams to provide things as mssql_connect for accesing a mssql server, What is the preferred way now?
02:16<dutchfish_w>i need to access stored procedures that way with named parameters. Which did work until now with Jessie.
02:17<dutchfish_w>same for some sysbase servers
02:17<dutchfish_w>sybase*
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02:18<dutchfish_w>any hints for a working setup would be highly apreciated
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02:20<dutchfish_w>i also tried already a setup over unix-odbc with PDO but that does not seam to support named parameters (or i dont know the correct syntax), which let me connect, but chokes on the named parameters
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03:16<hubot>Hi!
03:16<hubot>I got following message after login ssh into compromised server:
03:16<hubot>Last login: Tue Jul 25 23:00:22 2017 from 62.210.115.87
03:17<hubot>Is 62.210.115.87 attacker?
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03:19<rudi_s>hubot: Possibly. But if you know the server is compromised, shut it down, take an image of the disks and then reinstall it. Then figure out what happened by using the (read-only) disk image. Don't do anything on the live system.
03:20<rudi_s>But maybe not, it's the last login.
03:20<hubot>62.210.115.87 isn't my ip address
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03:21<hubot>Lately I logged in from different IP
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03:48<hubot>Server is now shutted down
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04:56<user>?
04:56<user>how to use it?
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05:00<duclicsic>Guest869: do you have a question about debian?
05:01<FalloutHorizon>Good morning. I tried with efi to start the live with the usb pendrive, I was expecting to boot the live instead I booted my local installation.Why did it happen?
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05:41<petn-randall>FalloutHorizon: Most BIOS/UEFI try to be helpful and fall back to booting via the other options.
05:41<petn-randall>FalloutHorizon: I'm guessing this is what happened.
05:43<petn-randall>hubot: What publicly-facing services ran on that machine?
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05:44<hubot>petn-randall: nginx, mysql, postgresql, postfix, dovecot, uwsgi, openvpn, znc, php5-fpm
05:45<hubot>ssh, telnet
05:45<petn-randall>hubot: What web services did you run on there?
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05:45<petn-randall>telnet??
05:45<hubot>Yep
05:45<hubot>I forget turn off it
05:45<petn-randall>hubot: For logging in on something else?
05:45<petn-randall>*or
05:46<hubot>rsyslogd
05:46<hubot>web services: two blogs on nginx, some files on proftpd
05:47<petn-randall>hubot: what kind of blog software?
05:47<hubot>phpmyadmin, phppgadmin
05:47<hubot>petn-randall: wordpress
05:47<petn-randall>hubot: That's the first thing I'd look into.
05:47<petn-randall>Gotta run, see you later.
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06:02<FalloutHorizon>petn-randall: How can I boot the live anyway?
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07:14<rdwlf184>hi
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07:15<rdwlf184>noob with little problem here.jessie
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07:16<kqly>hello
07:16<jm_>!ask
07:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:16<rdwlf184>i cant add gpg key for TOR...server don't responding
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07:17<rdwlf184>is it only me
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07:19<grove>rdwlf184: Read the description of a good question that dpkg just gave
07:21<bremner>!fr
07:21<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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07:22<rdwlf184>ok..i go to french side...thanks
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08:44<fxb>Why am I able to use the command 'ld' but 'apt show ld' returns: 'no package found' and ld is not an alias either?
08:45<grawity>because a single package may contain several commands, none of which named the same as the package
08:45<lindi->fxb: apt show takes a package name
08:45<lindi->fxb: "ld" is a command
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08:45<grawity>`dpkg -S ld` would show that it's part of the 'binutils' package
08:45<fxb>I see. Thanks a lot :)
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08:47<ArGoSaX>Hi! how are you?
08:47<grove>!chat
08:47<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
08:48<ArGoSaX>Someone could tell me some program for debian likes notepadqq ??
08:48<Aldryic>I'm fond of gvim.
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08:48<Aldryic>But you'll want to give Kate a try.
08:49<Aldryic>It's a pretty nice editor. Gedit is a good one as well.
08:49<deltam>fxb, dpkg -S "$(type -p ld)"
08:50<ArGoSaX>i would like some editor for html and php, notepadqq lets you see the open/close <> for example
08:50<ArGoSaX>i am looking for something likes thisd
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08:50<Aldryic>Give Kate a try then.
08:50<ArGoSaX>ok thanks!
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09:47<digitalboy>Hi guys, I've noticed that Debian on the console (VT/VC) in the early boot process changes the default ("console font") from VGA (I think) to a "fixed" font type, how can I prevent this from happening?
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09:50<FalloutHorizon>Good morning. I tried with efi to start the live with the usb pendrive, I was expecting to boot the live instead I booted my local installation.Why did it happen and how can I boot the live?
09:51<itd>digitalboy: Find out which font you want and set the debian console font to match your expectations. (Would that work for you?)
09:52<digitalboy>FalloutHorizon Hi, I think that it has something to do with the UEFI firmware of your motherboard.. Maybe (like a lot of Sandy/Ivy Bridge HP laptops) would search for \EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI on the ESP partition and ignores other EFI binaries..
09:52<itd>FalloutHorizon: How did you prepare the usb you are trying to boot from? Did you configure your BIOS boot from the usb?
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09:53<digitalboy>ito I would like to know where Debian stores this console "font" setting (in which configuration file)
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09:54<Aldryic>Try /etc/default/console-setup
09:54<Aldryic>Also dpkg-reconfigure console-setup perhaps.
09:54<digitalboy>Aldryic Thank you very much for the info :)
09:54<grove>digitalboy: There are very varying opinions on the look of the font that is changed to (i.e. some feel it's good others feel it's ugly). A major reason for doing the change is to get a font which supports more of unicode, so think careful about your needs before you go on with preventing the change
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09:56<digitalboy>grove Yeah, I was looking forward to changing it to the Terminus font, like Grml Linux :)
09:57<digitalboy>FalloutHorizon What motherboard do you have? (Brand/Model)
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09:57<digitalboy>Or PC?
09:57<digitalboy>laptop*
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09:59<FalloutHorizon>digitalboy: this is the model Asus P2530U, thanks
10:01<digitalboy>FalloutHorizon Ok, do you have Windows installed (8/8.1 upwards)?
10:01<digitalboy>Maybe the fast boot feature is interfering with the boot media selection
10:01<FalloutHorizon>digitalboy: I've the dual boot with Windows 10 and Debian
10:02<digitalboy>Ok
10:04<digitalboy>So your PC has already Debian installed on the harddisk? If so did you installed it in UEFI or CSM mode?
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10:05<digitalboy>Try to restart your PC with the F2 key pressed, keep it pressed until the UEFI firmware has loaded
10:06<FalloutHorizon>Does CSM mode correspond to legacy?
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10:06<digitalboy>FalloutHorizon Yes
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10:09<malte_>hi, maybe wrong channel, but i would like to install strech over my mint 18.2. my home folder is on a separate partition. could i just leave it there and will it work again in debian?
10:09<r0b0_sk>hi, anyone with experience with drbd, please?
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10:11<itd>dpkg: tell r0b0_sk about ask
10:11<r0b0_sk>I want to "upgrade" a LVM logical volume to drbd.. if I just expand the LV and add it as underlying device of a resource and then generate the metadata and sync, will my data stay intact?
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10:11<r0b0_sk>assuming that the internal metadata are added *at the end* of the underlying device
10:11<FalloutHorizon>Yes,I'm using the CSM mode and I'm trying to do it trough EFI but I need the live to do it.
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10:12<itd>malte_: Probably. What do you expect to "work again in debian"?
10:12<grove>malte_: Provided that you install everything you had in mint, I don't see why that shouldn't work
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10:15<digitalboy>FalloutHorizon Ok, try with this: make sure your Debian USB drive is inserted, press and keep pressed the F2 key BEFORE your laptop is powered on, then turn it on. If it doesn't work repeat the steps but with the F8, F9 or F12 keys
10:15<digitalboy>It should take you straight to the firmware interface
10:15<digitalboy>Or the boot selection menu
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10:39<malte_>ok thank you, i wasn't sure if i will lose all data or so, but i will make a backup to be sure ;)
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10:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:43<duclicsic>lol
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11:22<__marioxcc>Hello.
11:22<__marioxcc>I want to install a set of dependencies for a program I intend to build from source, but I would like them to be organized in a "group" so that I can remove the group and they're gone, instead of having to remember which they are, and removing them manually one by one. How can I do this?
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11:25<itd>__marioxcc: Maybe you can use equivs for that.
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11:27<__marioxcc>itd: I don't know what "equivs" are. I'm very ignorant in Debian package management, but I'm willing to learn. Could you please point me to a resource?
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11:28<itd>__marioxcc: Is the software you intend to build from source already available in debian? Try 'apt show equivs'.
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11:31<__marioxcc>itd: “Is the software you intend to build from source already available in debian?” <-- yes
11:31<__marioxcc>It's "spring".
11:31<__marioxcc>(a RTS game engine)
11:32<itd>__marioxcc: Why do you want to build spring from source?
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11:33<__marioxcc>itd: I thought Debian had an outdated version (and most multiplayer games require the latest), but I'm wrong. I just checked and Debian 9 has the latest version.
11:34<__marioxcc>I will just install the Debian package.
11:34<__marioxcc>Anyway, the same question goes for other programs that I want to compile to have the latest version (e.g. Emacs, HOL)
11:34<itd>__marioxcc: If the latest version is available as debian package a "backport" is what you want.
11:34<luxius>Oops - I used sudo on gem install, cause I am a newbie and use sudo on anything that gives me a read-write-access error. How screwed am I now?
11:35<__marioxcc>itd: Won't enabling the backports archive will tend to "mess up" my versions?
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11:36<bremner>no
11:36<itd>__marioxcc: No, that would happen if you enable testing/unstable. ;)
11:36<__marioxcc>Ok.
11:36<__marioxcc>I will take a look into it. Like I said, I'm very ignorant with Debian package management.
11:37<__marioxcc>What would you recommend to read?
11:38<Aldryic>...manpages? :P
11:38<itd>__marioxcc: Perhaps http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html - depends on what you want to know.
11:38<__marioxcc>I know how to use the command line tools "apt-get", "apt-cache", etc... that's not the problem.
11:38<__marioxcc>I mean the things one must know in practice.
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11:38<__marioxcc>Like that, for instance (equivs and backports).
11:39<Aldryic>Honestly, there's no such thing as "everything I need to know" guides. That'll come from time and experience.
11:39<Aldryic>You'll run into problems, and in learning the solutions to individual problems you'll gradually gain the knowledge you're after.
11:39<itd>__marioxcc: Don't use equivs, join #debian and say "I'd like to install a newer version of package X." ;)
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11:41<__marioxcc>itd: In *other* cases, it is actually necessary to build from source, though.
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11:42<grove>luxius: That depends on what you `gem install`'ed
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11:45<luxius>grove, yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out as well. I've been installing jekyll and bundler, but I can't remember when I used the sudo command. All I know is that I get this "You don't have write permissions for the /usr/local/bin directory" when I don't use sudo.
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11:48<luxius>"You don't have write permissions for the /var/lib/gems/2.3.0 directory." as well
11:50<blast007>luxius: /var/log/auth.log should log what you ran with sudo, I think.
11:50<luxius>thanks
11:52<masou>i'm a longtime Debian user but since stretch, when i want to add a gpg key, i always have this error: gpg: Warning: 1 key skipped due to its large size. How to fix it?! I tried everything!
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11:52<bremner>masou: what kind of key is it, and how many bits?
11:55<masou>It's a "PGP PUBLIC KEY". I can't tell you how many bit it has. But you can find the key there: https://download.docker.com/linux/debian/
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11:58<bremner>and how are you trying to "add" the key?
12:00<grawity>huh, that's just regular RSA-4096
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12:00<grawity>I was expecting RSA-32k or something as crazy
12:01<masou>apt-key add, synaptic, apt-key adv --keyserver sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys
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12:05<luxius>I tried adding myself to the group adm, so that I had access to the logs at all time. I see myself in /etc/groups but not when I simply type 'groups'. It also doesn't let me read the auth.log file.
12:06<luxius>I meant /etc/group
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12:08<masou>I want to specify that i can add key from something like 60% of 3rd party repo. The other 40% always result with "1 key skipped due to its large size"
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12:12<itd>luxius: Does the adm group show up in the output of "groups" after a "newgrp adm"?
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12:22<grove>luxius: /etc/group is only read when you log in. I believe there is a way to make the change take effect for your current session, but I don't remember it. - And a more debiany way of adding users to groups is `adduser <user> <group>`
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12:25<grove>luxius: It might work just spawning a new shell with the appropriate option to make it a login shell, both for bash and zsh that is -l
12:26<grove>That will only give you those rights in that shell, but that might be enough if you just wants to look at a log files
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12:32<luxius>linux is hard ... *sigh*
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12:39<macros>hi
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12:40<luxius>now that I screwed up my gems and Ruby with sudo, is there a "safe" way to revert it to what's needed by system? Like uninstalling Ruby and re-installing dependencies? If I try to 'apt-get remove ruby' it warns me I will remove all packages depending on Ruby ... I don't want that.
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12:41<jmcnaught>luxius: how did you install the gems?
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12:42<luxius>jmcnaught, I used sudo at some point, which I later learned I should never do.
12:42<jmcnaught>luxius: sudo what? You're asking how to reverse something without telling us what how you did it.
12:43<luxius>jmcnaught, I know, I've done a lot without logging everything. I should probably just shut up and go sulk in a corner ... :-/
12:44<blast007>luxius: again, that should be in the auth.log file
12:44<luxius>jmcnaught, to rephrase: I have done 'sudo gem install <gem>' at some point ...
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12:44<jmcnaught>luxius: well you should start taking notes, start that habit today. If you were using some sort of "sudo gem install …" command then you need to locate where on the filesystem that command would install things to
12:45<annadane>can luxius not find out by logging in as sudo and typing history?
12:45<luxius>*sigh* ... too much history and my head is spinning, annadane
12:45<blast007>it should be in the user's history, not root's history
12:46<annadane>it should at least be in /var/log/apt
12:46<luxius>does it really matter, if it's possible to uninstall Ruby without taking away the packages depending on it and then re-install dependencies?
12:46<blast007>annadane: they didn't install a Debian package, they installed a Ruby gem
12:46<annadane>ah.
12:47<jmcnaught>luxius: if you install stuff with something other than apt/dpkg, then apt/dpkg doesn't know how to remove it
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12:47<blast007>why do you even need to remove it?
12:47<luxius>jmcnaught, okay, tough luck
12:47<jmcnaught>luxius: maybe that gem command has a man page that says where it installs to, or has an uninstall command?
12:47<luxius>maybe
12:48<masou>bremner & grawity: are you able to reproduce my bug with "apt-key add". I saw bug reports about it but no one seem to have the answer about "gpg: Warning: 1 key skipped due to its large size", ans it's only with the Stretch release..
12:48<blast007>luxius: grep 'gem install' /var/log/auth.log
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12:49<luxius>blast007, that gave me a list of all gems installed as root, thank you
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12:49<annadane>ahhhh
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12:51<jmcnaught>luxius: try "sudo gem environment" and look for the GEM PATHS
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12:52<luxius>jmcnaught, looks like same paths as 'gem env', should I expect different paths?
12:53<jmcnaught>luxius: i'm helping you locate where gem installed stuff to
12:53<luxius>oh okay, thanks
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12:54<jmcnaught>look for stuff in those directories, tell us what they are, make a paste of the list?
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12:54<luxius>I just did a 'sudo gem uninstall' on all the gems installed as sudo
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12:55<blast007>does 'gem install' also install dependencies? and if so, does uninstalling a gem also uninstall the dependencies?
12:56<luxius>Problem is when I try 'gem install' I get "You don't have write permissions for the /var/lib/gems/2.3.0 directory."
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12:57<luxius>that's when I started using sudo earlier today ... and recently read that's a very bad idea
12:57<jmcnaught>luxius: i think what most people do is use a Gemfile, and rake, and they configure it to download gem files into $project/vendor as the user that will be executing the ruby program
12:58<luxius>rake? bundler? RVM? I'm so confused about all these Ruby managers
12:58<jmcnaught>go read about it then
12:58<luxius>I thought the gems would be called from one directory, not installed in every project folder
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12:59<luxius>yeah, I tried comprehending the ruby file structure, got nowhere :D
12:59<jmcnaught>when using these programming language specific package managers, don't ever run them as root
13:00<luxius>Problem is when I try 'gem install' I get "You don't have write permissions for the /var/lib/gems/2.3.0 directory."
13:01<jmcnaught>luxius: you need to find out which option(s) to use to install to a different directory
13:01<luxius>okay, thanks
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13:02<jmcnaught>luxius: look for the upstream documentation for the tools you are using, and the README.Debian files in /usr/share/doc/<package>. It usually takes less time to figure something out by reading the manual than it does by trial and error and random blogs
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13:04<annadane>especially random blogs...
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13:18<__marioxcc>Why is Moscow ML not in Debian? Is it not free software?
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13:24<blast007>__marioxcc: you can check the license yourself to confirm the second question
13:24<__marioxcc>Ok.
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13:25<blast007>not all software is packaged in Debian, of course :) someone has to not only package it but maintain it.
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13:25<__marioxcc>blast007: Ok.
13:25<annadane>i did very brief searches in my search engine and there's threads from 2003 and 2005 talking about it so they may or may not be applicable to the modern day
13:26<annadane>but literally just "debian moscow ml"
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13:35<__marioxcc>annadane: Ok. Thanks for the (implicit) suggestion.
13:36<__marioxcc>The problem (about an ad-hoc license) still applies.
13:36<__marioxcc>Though I believe that it is free software.
13:36<__marioxcc>(I have read that license)
13:37<blast007>the GPL license?
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13:37<annadane>if there's no threads within, like, the last 5 years, may be worth it to bring it up again? idk
13:37<blast007>oh, does seem that some files prevent charging money for redistribution, which makes those files non-free
13:37<annadane>ah
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13:38<__marioxcc>blast007: Apparently one can charge for the cost of distribution, but that's too vague.
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13:53<masou>Ok i found a solution myself about the weird keys. They need to be placed in "/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d" and added with synaptic. Now it works! If somebody still reading me...
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14:04<masou>so the bug is related to "apt-key" only: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=853858
14:04<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/853858 in apt (open): «/usr/bin/apt-key: cannot add gpg keys due to their large size»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-02-01; last modified: 2017-02-03.
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14:05<masou>lol yes
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14:08<masou>but it should be marked as "severity: high" because it's a security related. And the bug result in no security at all as long as you can't add the key...
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14:13<annadane>masou, i'd post about it in the bug thread
14:14<masou>ok thank you!
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14:48<jimpop>how do i get back the traditional Xwin select/copy/paste behavior?
14:48<jimpop>i'm not a fan of right-clicking to copy/paste
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14:55<BrainError404^>I'm searching info about Intel Corporation Device 9d10, someone can help?
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14:55<annadane>!ask
14:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:56<BrainError404>annadane: I simply want to know what is that device, I know only that it's related to PCI
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15:02<towo`>BrainError404, try update-pciids
15:02<jmcnaught>jimpop: are you asking about the selection buffer that you paste with middle click? What desktop environment are you using?
15:03<towo`>BrainError404, and if that not help, do lspci -nn
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15:04<towo`>BrainError404, but a short google-search sayes Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio
15:05<BrainError404>towo`, thanks, what keywords you used?
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15:06<towo`>BrainError404, really, but your nickname seems to be programm
15:06<towo`>BrainError404, pci id 9d10
15:06<BrainError404>O H
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15:08<jimpop>jmcnaught: cinnamon+dmlight and yes I'm asking about the select w/ mouse functionality
15:09<jimpop>*lightdm :-)
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15:10<jmcnaught>jimpop: in GNOME you can configure this under 'Keyboard and Mouse' in tweak-tool. I don't know if cinnamon has enough in common with GNOME to also use tweak-tool or not
15:10<jimpop>rgr that jmcnaught, thx
15:11<jmcnaught>jimpop: you shouldn't need to right-click to paste anyways. ctrl+v
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15:13<jimpop>yeah, but it's much nicer to just double-click a word, or drag the mouse to select a sentence and have it automatically in the paste buffer
15:13<annadane>ctrl v doesn't work in terminals
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15:15<itd>annadane: But ctrl+shift+v should.
15:15*annadane recoils in horror
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15:22<itd>That's the spirit.
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15:44<hubot>Is using sudo on server with public ip proper?
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15:46<agaida>only if one connect via telnet
15:46<agaida>aka it depends how your sudo is configured
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16:07<MrTrain>Greetings
16:08<MrTrain>Anybody here? I haz a question
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16:09<MrTrain>I have verified my iso checksum (again) and it is the same from the site. So my question is this. When creating the LiveUSB, do I need the .packages for the creation of the liveUSB or am I okay with just the .iso? I'm not sure what to do with the .packages file.
16:10<jmcnaught>What .packages file are you talking about?
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16:11<jmcnaught>and are you downloading a live ISO from debian.org or a mirror, or are you making a new live image with live-build?
16:11<MrTrain>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
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16:11<jmcnaught>that file is there for informational purposes, you only need the .iso
16:12<jmcnaught>are you planning on installing Debian using this, or you just want to test?
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16:12<MrTrain>That's that I thought. So all I need is the iso. I wanted to test first and if I liked it then installed it
16:12<MrTrain>The kde has failed the last 3-4 times I ran it
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16:12<jmcnaught>MrTrain: test away, but when you install you should use an installer image (not a live one), and make sure to read at least some of the install manual first
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16:13<MrTrain>I can't get past the login screen for the liveusb version
16:13<blast007>tried a different flash drive brand/model?
16:13<MrTrain>I believe the 9.1.0 kde version is corrupt
16:14<MrTrain>I can try another USB, it'll take a few to find one
16:15<MrTrain>I wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong first before I tried something different.,
16:16<jmcnaught>MrTrain: how are you copying the .iso file to your USB stick?
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16:17<towo`>MrTrain, do anyone here know your hardware?
16:18<towo`>MrTrain, especialy the graphics card?
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16:20<MrTrain>My hardware is common hardware here in the USA, Nvidia 750 ti, AMD phemon2, quad, etc. I tried different ways of copying the file over to the stick, each way resulting in the same result. I even followed the instructions on the FAQ, same result.
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16:20<MrTrain>I even purged the stick and tried again, nothing
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16:21<jmcnaught>well the place you downloaded the KDE live disk from mentions problems with KDE in the known issues section
16:22<jmcnaught>MrTrain: you used win32diskimager? Please be more precise.
16:22<towo`>MrTrain, kde is using accellerated 3d, nouveau has well known problems with plasma
16:22<towo`>MrTrain, so try another DE or install debian from netinstall and use the binaryx blob driver
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16:24<MrTrain>I'm currently on Fedora right now and I tried using cp command and using disk image writer. I tried using something else but I don't remember what it was.
16:25<MrTrain>My fall back plan is xfce, will I have any problems with that?
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16:25<towo`>propably not
16:26<MrTrain>I ultimately want to be able to use Steam and Wine (or whatever Debian uses) so I can eventually play some games while streaming without compromising security and privacy.
16:26<MrTrain>Which environment will prevent me from doing that?
16:27<towo`>not with such live
16:27<towo`>for gaming you would need the binary blob, which you can't install on a live medium
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16:28<annadane>just testing something for a sec, please ignore
16:28<annadane>,v gcc
16:28<judd>Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; sid: 4:6.3.0-4d1; buster: 4:6.3.0-4d1; experimental: 4:7.1.0-0
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16:30<romo>hey guys. how is the install of virtualbox guest additions supposed to work in current 9.1? Can't seem to find virtualbox-guest-utils with contrib/non-free enabled. also the guest additions supplied directly by vbox don't work...
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16:31<towo`>romo, since there is also no virtualbox in stretch, from where you have installed vbox?
16:32<MrTrain>binary blob?
16:32<lindi->romo: virtualbox is not part of debian
16:32<annadane>was there in jessie, not stretch
16:33<lindi->it was there in wheezy, in jessie it was in contrib
16:33<adhawkins>jmcnaught: Thanks for confirming that, I'd come to that conclusion myself. I think the reason I was editing the ones in share was because the diffs shown when the package was upgraded (showing changes to be made to config files) were diffing the files in /etc against the ones in /usr/share, so I assumed this was the new location for the config files.
16:33<romo>towo`: followed the corresponding debian wiki to install virtualbox, which worked instantly.
16:33<towo`>romo, again, from where?
16:33<towo`>romo, vbox is not in debian 9, aka stretch
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16:34<annadane>you have other virtualization options; i use virt-managwr
16:34<towo`>romo, or have you installed debian as vbox guest?
16:34<annadane>virt-manager, that is
16:35<romo>towo`: followed this https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22
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16:36<towo`>romo, then you have the guest tools allready as iso
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16:36<towo`>romo, it comes with the vbox package
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16:36<romo>towo`: both actually, deb 8 host, deb 9 guest, the guest refuses to take any sort of guest additions
16:36<towo`>romo, and vbox has a nice handbook, where you can read all
16:37<towo`>romo, read the vbox manual
16:37<towo`>romo, and answer to questions
16:38<towo`>romo, if i understan correct, you have installed debian 9 as guest and want to install the guest additions
16:38<towo`>*understand
16:38<romo>towo`: correct
16:38<towo`>romo, then you have to use the way from the vbox manual
16:38<towo`>romo, since you can't install them with apt
16:39<towo`>romo, https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#idm1959
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16:41<spartrekus59>hello
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16:41<spartrekus59>I would like to have SystemD on Devuan, is it possible?
16:41<bremner>spartrekus59: we've been through this befre
16:41<bremner>this is not a devuan support channel
16:42<agaida>why not - the easiest way is to add the debian sources and ask in #devuan for instructions
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16:43<agaida>the devuan folks are nice and will be glad to help
16:43<spartrekus59>ah yeah, actually, apt-get update and apt-dist upgrade will probably do it. Actually better to reinstall the machine from ISO cdrom debian.
16:43<annadane>!based on debian
16:43<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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16:44<bremner>is there an bot trigger for "hostile to debian" ?
16:44<jmcnaught>romo: if you are using Debian on the host, I recommend switching from VirtualBox to libvirt/KVM and virt-manager
16:44<MrTrain>alright, i'm off to try again
16:44<MrTrain>cheers
16:44<annadane>bremner, !kali
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16:47<jmcnaught>fun fact, one of the core kali developers is a DD who co-wrote https://debian-handbook.info/ and is also behind https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
16:48<bremner>yeah, I wouldn't classify him as hostile
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16:49<romo>towo`: ...the 'not part of 9' part I'm starting to get. This reads horrible unfamiliar compared to how I used to do things. Thank you for the link.
16:49<romo>jmcnaught: thank you. I'll look into that right now before I start reading the vbox page.
16:49<romo>jmcnaught: *continue
16:50<jmcnaught>i just corrected https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox it still had a note about it being in contrib right above the instructions for adding the upstream repo
16:50<jmcnaught>romo: how many VMs do you have?
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16:52<romo>jmcnaught: dependant on tasks I usually run 3 to 5.
16:53<jmcnaught>romo: there's a virt-convert command but you'll have to check to see if VirtualBox images are one of the types it can convert
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16:58<lindi->images are easy to convert but converting virtual machines is harder
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17:02<MrTrain>Okay so
17:02<MrTrain>The xf image worked and I'm very happy. ^_^
17:02<MrTrain>I have a question once I find the question
17:03<MrTrain>actually, I have to go to a different channel for this question
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17:06<romo>jmcnaught: yeah... could take a 'bit' before I'll even get to that part. thanks for the recommendation.
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17:11<__marioxcc>Hello.
17:12<__marioxcc>I used to adjust screen brigtnes with "xbacklight" with Debian 8, but it does not work with Debian 9.
17:12<__marioxcc>$ xbacklight =50
17:12<__marioxcc>No outputs have backlight property
17:12<__marioxcc>What can I do? Should I use other program or can I make xbacklight work?
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17:14<lindi->__marioxcc: are you using X?
17:14<__marioxcc>lindi-: Yes.
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17:19<ryouma>marioxcc: have you tried ddccontrol? i use that on jessie and it works. (i rely on it -- can't use computer at night without it, even if i adjust using sw, beacuse i do that in addition)
17:19<lindi->on debian stable I have at least Xwayland by default
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17:20<marioxcc>lindi-: I assumed it was X11. How can I know?
17:21<marioxcc>pstree displays this (irrelevant information elided):
17:21<marioxcc>|-lightdm-+-Xorg
17:21<marioxcc>So yes, it seems that it is X11.
17:22<ryouma>marioxcc: of course you probably know that redshift and so on are sw not hw, so light will leak through
17:22<marioxcc>ryouma: I want to change the level of the backlight. Will ddccontrol do that?
17:22<ryouma>yes
17:23<ryouma>try it right now
17:23<ryouma>once you get the modules it recommends do a shell function like this: installed ddccontrol -p -r 0x10 -w ${1:-0} >/dev/null 2>&1
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17:24<ryouma>correction: once you get the modules it recommends do a shell function like this: myddc () { ddccontrol -p -r 0x10 -w ${1:-0} >/dev/null 2>&1 }
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17:27<marioxcc>Ugh.
17:27<ryouma>there is gddccontrol if you wanted a gui
17:28<marioxcc>ryouma: No, no guy, but I get this error: https://pastebin.com/7wGsweNg
17:28<marioxcc>And I already did "modprobe i2c-dev"
17:28<ryouma>you probably have the modules isntalled alreadyb ecause you already ran whatever it was
17:28<mnuhmnuh>annadane: http://futurist.se/gldt/ == awesome! :-O
17:28<ryouma>i can't do pastebin
17:28<ryouma>it has too many captchas for me
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17:28<marioxcc>ryouma: raw link: https://pastebin.com/raw/7wGsweNg
17:29<marioxcc>but it has no captchas.
17:29<marioxcc>Does that link works?
17:29<ryouma>more captchas
17:29<mnuhmnuh>ryouma: use "pastebinit -b paste.debian.net"
17:29<ryouma>mnuhmnuh: i am not pasting anything
17:29<ryouma>marioxcc: just use sprunge or somethign
17:30<marioxcc>ryouma: This one: https://paste.debian.net/978344/
17:30<marioxcc>No, I pasted it.
17:30<marioxcc>How is it that you get captchas to *view* a pastebin?
17:31<marioxcc>Does that link works for you?
17:31<ryouma>yes it works
17:31<marioxcc>Ok.
17:31<marioxcc>What can I do about it?
17:31<ryouma>did you check all the modules?
17:31<marioxcc>ryouma: It only mentions i2c-dev, and I did load it with "modprobe".
17:32<marioxcc>I don't know what else is required.
17:32<ryouma>i presume the framebuffer thing is not needed then?
17:32<marioxcc>I have no idea.
17:32<marioxcc>It does not mention any specific linux module.
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17:34<marioxcc>(other than i2c-dev)
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17:36<ryouma>my modules file contains loop and i2c-dev
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17:36<ryouma>same monitor?
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17:37<ryouma>some monitors do not support i2c
17:37<ryouma>ddc/ci*
17:38<marioxcc>ryouma: It is exactly the same setup, same computer, same monitor, everything. It worked in Debian 7 & 8, but not in Debian 9
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17:40<ryouma>extremely disturbing
17:41<ryouma>i'd put a high priority bug on it as it is an accessibility issue (in my case it would mean i cannot use my computer during the day without problems and cannot use it at night at all)
17:42<marioxcc>Ok.
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17:43<ryouma>in fact, i am on jessie, and because of your problem, i am going to not upgrade to stretch until i know that is fixed
17:44<marioxcc>ryouma: I'm using "echo ... > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness" for the time being. It is not elegant, but it works.
17:44<ryouma>marioxcc: that never worked for my computer. nothing in the dir.
17:44<ryouma>xbacklight also never worked
17:44<marioxcc>ryouma: Ok.
17:44<ryouma>be sure that it's reallys etting the backlight rather than just compressing the subpixel range
17:44<marioxcc>I may settle on this solution, so do not rely on me to report a bug if you want it fixed.
17:45<marioxcc>Yes, indeed.
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17:45<ryouma>i can't risk upgrading until i know i have a bootable backup of jessie, and i am having trouble creating a trustworthy bootable backup
17:45<marioxcc>That is why I do not update in-place, instead I install from scratch.
17:46<marioxcc>It also has the nice effect of getting rid of the crap that I install and forget to uninstall despite that I do not need it any more.
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17:46<ryouma>quite a bit of effort to get where you were though
17:46<ryouma>i want a bootable copy of my current running system on various media. i tried with grub+chroot, but turning off sda in bios to test bootability of sdb causes silly errors in initrd ("lvm is not available" in jessie even though i have never used lvm). (the opposite works ok.) can extlinux run luks to decrypt and boot my separate /root partition?
17:46<ryouma>also will grub work on a thumb drive?
17:47<marioxcc>I don't know. You will have to wait for somebody else to answer the first question.
17:47<marioxcc>But AFAIK, GRUB works on USB flash memory sticks.
17:47<marioxcc>That's how the Debian ISO image boots, AFAIK.
17:47<marioxcc>(and it can be put in a flash memroy stick.
17:47<marioxcc>)
17:48<ryouma>i thought that used extlinux
17:48<ryouma>heard*
17:49<mnuhmnuh>ryouma: tails boots w grub from usb stick, so yes.
17:50<ryouma>ok
17:51<ryouma>dunno why 2 identical (except for obvious like cryptroot in initrd) drives do not boot identically, then. i was told it was that if you turn off a drive, device.map becomes obsolete, but then somebody on #grub said grub does not use that, and searches for uuid.
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18:06<lynsk>Hi ! I'm having weird screen flickering on mouse movement after switching to a rx560 gpu, but only on ultra-wide resolutions. Any suggestions maybe? I'm clueless.
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18:20<marioxcc>From the user view of point, what is the benefit of using xwayland instead of traditional X11?
18:22<marioxcc>Does it use less CPU? Does it give higher frame rate for 3D scenes?
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18:31<MrTrain>Alright, so I'm on Debian now but the graphical installer didn't ask me to do fde
18:31<MrTrain>how do I enable full disk encryption?
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18:38<mnuhmnuh>marioxcc: the last sensible argument i heard about that is X is so old it's hideously fat supporting all the things it's been asked to do all these decades, and pruning some of that can't be a bad idea. ymmv. i'm unconvinced, but still interested.
18:38<jmcnaught>MrTrain: it is one of the Guided Partitioning options
18:38<MrTrain>It never came up
18:38<MrTrain>I looked for it
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18:39<marioxcc>mnuhmnuh: I get that Wayland is an improvenment from the programmer's side (less legacy code to support), but what is the benefit for the user?
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18:41<romo>MrTrain: There's a menu option at some point. You have to set up partitions. The default is something like "Guided - Use entire disk". Below you find something like "...Encrypted LVM" which will allow for full disk encryption to be set up.
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18:41<mnuhmnuh>marioxcc: depends on the user. a professional admin doesn't want to go with anything less than tested to death, while a user may just want it to do _it_ fast.
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18:41<marioxcc>mnuhmnuh: Ok. I refer to a typical desktop user. What is the benefit? Is wayland faster in some regard?.
18:44<mnuhmnuh>marioxcc: i'm not knowledgable much about wayland. just telling what i know. cf. xterm vs rxvt; i just went back to using xterm over rxvt, 'cause it's just better/more solid/more reliable?
18:44<marioxcc>mnuhmnuh: Ok, thanks.
18:51<begriffs>mnuhmnuh: what kind of weird things did rxvt do? I was considering using it in order to be more "minimalist."
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18:53<mnuhmnuh>re: x vs. wayland, gotta be lots of sites out there comparing performance between the two
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18:58<mnuhmnuh>begriffs: i like a simple text font, for readability considering oldster eyes, and i just like the sight of plain text, no frills or ... eg. b&h-lucidatypewriter in xman. i kept running into _stuff_ from elsewhere that was handled ugly, despite utf-8. i may be overly sensitive. :-)
19:01<mnuhmnuh>begriffs: there ya go, example: in root terminal, eg. "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" always looked horribly munged, cursor was in wrong place; obviously rxvt was misinterpreting what it was told. works fine in xterm.
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19:01<MrTrain>disk partician manager, what is it called in Debian? All the apps I'm used to in other Linux versions are gone
19:01<MrTrain>and where do I go to find the software "store" so to speak
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19:01<mnuhmnuh>parted, gparted ...
19:02<MrTrain>not found
19:02<MrTrain>I'm using Debian 9.1 with the xfsomething desktop
19:02<MrTrain>and all the main apps I'm used to are gone
19:03<MrTrain>including my sound app
19:03<mnuhmnuh>MrTrain: you configure your system, by editing /etc/apt/sources.list, to access debian resources, then "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
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19:04<mnuhmnuh>the correct debian resources, btw. stable? stretch?
19:04<MrTrain>I have no idea what that means. I just used the graphical interface from the live usb for standard options
19:04<MrTrain>stretch
19:05<jmcnaught>MrTrain: if you are used to GNOME from Fedora, then install GNOME
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19:05<mnuhmnuh>good way to learn. keep going! :-)
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19:05<rinzler>hi
19:05<mnuhmnuh>yes
19:06<MrTrain>I used Cinnamon
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19:06<mnuhmnuh>whatever floats your boat, ...
19:06<rinzler>Im new, i don't understand what i am doing here
19:06<MrTrain>I want to install the netinstaller. I have it downloaded but I can't freaking get it onto the USB... all my tools are missing
19:07<mnuhmnuh>rinzler: this's the Debian stable/stretch user support channel. fyi.
19:07<jmcnaught>MrTrain: open a terminal, the cp command will still be there
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19:07<MrTrain>how do I find the location of my USB?
19:07<romo>MrTrain: try 'GParted' to manage partitions with an GUI. the 'software store' would be the 'synaptic package manager', you'll find under 'System' in the Main Menu
19:08<rinzler>ok sorry then ..
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19:09<MrTrain>Ah, I found it!
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19:09<mnuhmnuh>MrTrain: i'd expect journalctl, dmesg, or tail or grep of /var/log/*whatever* ought to list it.
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19:13<romo>MrTrain: this is how you create bootable media. handle with care to prevent data loss, if you're not used to the command. https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb
19:13<MrTrain>Finally
19:13<MrTrain>I have tools again
19:14*mnuhmnuh i watch xconsole instead; see wiki.debian.org "notsofaq"?
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19:17<MrTrain>This install is going horribly wrong. I'm restarting. Be back in a few.
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19:38<mnuhmnuh>i've added myself to "adm" group; why can't i dmesg anymore? used to work for users.
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19:42<jmcnaught>mnuhmnuh: there's a note about it in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-amd64/NEWS.Debian.gz
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19:42<mnuhmnuh>ty.
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20:06<marioxcc>What is the difference between uxterm and xterm?
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20:08<Maarten_>what would happen if i would mount the main system '/' as read only? im guessing it would freeze or cause some sort of problems, but if it would not give any problems, how would it deal with for instance installing new packages, would it refuse to do so or write change to ram?
20:09<mnuhmnuh>marioxcc: i've wondered, but never got to finding out, that myself. i use the latter w irssi, the former for terms.
20:10<marioxcc>Maarten: I don't know what would happen, but it would *definitely* not write changes to ram.
20:10<mnuhmnuh>s/latter/former s/former/latter # uxterm for irssi
20:10<marioxcc>Because packets go in pre-defined dirs, most commonly /bin and /usr
20:11<marioxcc>Also, you would get at the very least, a crapload of error messages.
20:11<marioxcc>mnuhmnuh: Ok.
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20:13<Maarten_>i just opened both (xterm and uxterm) and typed 'env' in both and the both give same values for TERM= and XTERM_VERSION so shouldn't they be the same?
20:13<mnuhmnuh>Maarten_: it's been done in the past. anything that gets written to separated off into its own fs, make it read/write again on upgrade/changes/...
20:14<mnuhmnuh>Maarten_: simpler to just run from ram.
20:14<marioxcc>But you have to use explicitly squashfs or something like that.
20:14<marioxcc>Simply mounting / read-only will not make changes be stored in RAM, they will generate errors.
20:14<mnuhmnuh>no writable media except ram.
20:15<marioxcc>Maarten: Maybe you would be interested in Debian live version.
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20:16<mnuhmnuh>does grub still do "toram" option? slurp, boot, release CD drive?
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20:16<marioxcc>I don't know. I don't use optical media.
20:16<Maarten_>no no... im just curious what would happen if i mount the '/' on normal system as read-only
20:16<marioxcc>I just installed Debian 9 yesterday from the hard disk without wasting a DVD.
20:17<marioxcc>Maarten_: You can try it in a virtual machine.
20:17<marioxcc>My guess is that it will boot, but many things will not work as expected.
20:18<marioxcc>For example, mounting normally writes to /etc/fstab
20:18<marioxcc>If / is read only, that will not work.
20:19<mnuhmnuh>i thot we had virtual /tmp these days if you wanted it.
20:19<Maarten_>somehow it feel like something you should do, but then again it just might work...
20:19<Maarten_>should=shouldnot
20:19<mnuhmnuh>tempfs?
20:20<marioxcc>> mnuhmnuh: i thot we had virtual /tmp these days if you wanted it.
20:20<marioxcc>???
20:20<marioxcc>Maarten_: You can safely try it in a virtual machine.
20:20<Maarten_>marioxcc: virutual temp is optional but not default...
20:20<marioxcc>/tmp is in the "/" filesystem by default.
20:21<marioxcc>I think it was default in Debian Wheezy.
20:21<marioxcc>And it sucked.
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20:21<mnuhmnuh>marioxcc: gimme a minute; research.
20:22<Maarten_>ye i kind of remember having it in wheezy, i kind of liked it, could you elaborate on why you did not like it?
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20:23<mnuhmnuh>marioxcc: https://wiki.debian.org/DeCaf/PAMSetup?highlight=%28tempfs%29 then search tempfs # /tmp in ram
20:23<marioxcc>Maarten_: Because programmers assume that "/tmp" will be "large", so they may put a lot of crap there. If a program needs fast RAM access, then it *will* use RAM access built-in.
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20:24<marioxcc>mnuhmnuh: Uh, I am not interested. I said I do not like it.
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20:24<marioxcc>You may easily fill "/tmp" if it's a tmpfs and you do "open" to links in Firefox.
20:24<marioxcc>(they are saved in /tmp)
20:25<Maarten_>im asking because i was thinking about mounting /tmp with tempfs and then union mount with '/' so that all change are undone at reboot
20:26<mnuhmnuh>marioxcc: i have my own ~/tmp that i point apps at.
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20:26<marioxcc>Maarten_: I guess it will work, but I suggest to test it in a virtual machine first.
20:27<marioxcc>mnuhmnuh: How do you point programs to it? I think there's an env-var.
20:27<marioxcc>TMPDIR?
20:28<mnuhmnuh>v. app specific. research each app's vuln.
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20:28<Maarten_>mnuhmnuh: what are the benefits of doing this... ?
20:29<mnuhmnuh>you didn't like ff writing to /tmp?
20:30<marioxcc>I do, but that is why /tmp should be an ordinary filesystem (in HD or SSD), not a tmpfs.
20:31<marioxcc>Because firefox assumes that it may put big files there.
20:31<marioxcc>(and many other programs do)
20:31<marioxcc>I'm glad they undid that default.
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20:32<Maarten_>i was under the impression that /tmp was not used for anything that needed to outlive reboot, and that anything needed after reboot would be placed in /var/tmp
20:33<mnuhmnuh>ack. i've got such a blistering cool box now i forget to care if this thing can keep up. :-) it's taken ca. 40 a. to finally have it, but better late than never.
20:33<mnuhmnuh>ff brainfart.
20:34<Maarten_>what means '40 a.' ?
20:35<marioxcc>Maarten: That is indeed the case -> "i was under the impression that /tmp was not used for anything that needed to outlive reboot"
20:35<marioxcc>What I mean is that programs put large files in /tmp, and if /tmp is stored in RAM, ram is exhausted soon.
20:35<marioxcc>Though, that's less probable if you have one gorillabyte of RAM.
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20:36<mnuhmnuh>i'm running both ff and qupzilla atm, and i see almost nothing in /tmp for either. fyi.
20:36<marioxcc>/tmp is reset on reboot.
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20:37<mnuhmnuh>a. == annum, years.
20:37<marioxcc>mnuhmnuh: If you do "open file" (not "save file") to a link, it will be stored in /tmp, at least it was last time I checked.
20:38<Maarten_>marioxcc: ahh i see, i have 16GB for years now so i didn't understand why that would be a problem but ya in that case it might be better to not have it as tempfs
20:38<marioxcc>Maarten_: Yes, I have 4 GiB.
20:39<marioxcc>I have a computer from 2011, I think. I don't need more RAM.
20:39<marioxcc>So I don't plan to change it.
20:39<marioxcc>*replace it
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20:39<marioxcc>And I often run virtual machines, so anything that uses a lot of ram for no reason is bad for me.
20:40<Maarten_>mnuhmnuh: i feel you... i switcht from window to debian in 2013 and still not perfect setup, but feeling that im getting really close to perfection... and when im done i have to upgrade to debian 9 :-(
20:41<mnuhmnuh>marioxcc: i've four gb on 4 core xeon; blows the doors off every other machine i ever owned. or seen.
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20:42<marioxcc>mnuhmnuh: 4 core xeon does not seem anything out of the common.
20:42<mnuhmnuh>it's old maybe, but so am i. :-)
20:42<marioxcc>I would not consider anything less than an 8 core CPU to be high end.
20:42<mnuhmnuh>still rocks.
20:42<marioxcc>mnuhmnuh: Sure. My system is even weaker. It is a laptop.
20:43<mnuhmnuh>marioxcc: Sun had 64 core at one point. drool.
20:44<marioxcc>mnuhmnuh: IBM still markets POWER architecture CPUs with a crapload of cores.
20:45<marioxcc>And Oracle (which bought Sun) still has some servers like that.
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20:50<marioxcc>mnuhmnuh: But the only ordinary use I see for that is compiling.
20:50<marioxcc>Of course, servers may make full use of that much computing power.
20:52<mnuhmnuh>marioxcc: there's boxes out there that drool a mil/min. through the cracks in the floor when they're down.
20:52<mnuhmnuh>railways, oil corps, ...
20:52<marioxcc>mnuhmnuh: high frequency trading?
20:53<mnuhmnuh>we're gonna get slapped by abrotman (deservedly) going on like this.
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21:10<ransur0t>Any info on the timeline for a remmina package in stretch-backports?
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21:17<mnuhmnuh>ransur0t: don't even see remmina available in stretch.
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21:20<piper>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/remmina
21:20<ransur0t>mnuhmnuh: yes, that's correct -- due to an ssl package
21:20<ransur0t>piper: thanks, I'll take a look
21:20<piper>opps sid
21:20<piper>testing
21:21<piper>ransur0t: that is in testing and sid
21:21<annadane>yeah, see "versions", left side of the page
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21:22<ransur0t>yes, I had read on the remmina project package that it will be available as a backport at some point, hopefully soon! alertnatively, compile from source ...
21:23<mnuhmnuh>ransur0t: /usr/local is your friend.
21:23<ransur0t>mnuhmnuh: good point, thanks ;)
21:24<mnuhmnuh>i ran afio from there during its free/non-free confused age.
21:25<ransur0t>useful method indeed ...
21:26<mnuhmnuh>yeah, let me restore old afio created backups!!!!! :-)
21:27<mnuhmnuh>still makes me angry, sry.
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21:28<mnuhmnuh>i still have stuff dating to early '90s.
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21:43<abrotman>mnuhmnuh: feel free to stop highlighting me
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21:46<mnuhmnuh>abrotman: you're a good person to threaten with. success. be afraid, very afraid. :-)
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21:50*mnuhmnuh it's in my nature to poke sticks. can't see any way to change that so far. it's not intended maliciously. i'll shut up now, and try not to drag you in. sry.
21:52<abrotman>mnuhmnuh: stop being a pain in the ass. Thank you
21:52<mnuhmnuh>abrotman: i could say the same to you.
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21:55*abrotman notes this isn't going to end well
21:55<abrotman>mnuhmnuh: I'm not the one needlessly highlighting you. Please stop highlighting me, last warning.
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22:01<MrTrain>whelp, I'm back
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22:03<MrTrain>I think I'm done with Debian. I've tried every installer including the network installer. Last idea I had was maybe it was my USB stick but I was able to use it to reinstall fedora just fine. Your 9.1.0 Deb installers are f'd.
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22:03<MrTrain>I thought I would let you guys know. Have a good one.
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22:04<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
22:04<abrotman>MrTrain: You're using windows ... never mind then ..
22:04<mnuhmnuh>luser error.
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22:28<ryouma>have there been any more reports that monitor backlight control is broken in stretch?
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22:29<ryouma>by which i mean ddccontrol / gddccontrol and xbacklight
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23:01<melvin_>I did clean install of stretch and am having "Server not found" errors on servers which should always be available - forensics.alioth.debian.org, www.linuxquestions.org, etc. Can anyone help with this problem?
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23:03<mnuhmnuh>can you ping -c 1 8.8.8.8?
23:04<melvin_>mnuhmnuh: No, network is unreachable...
23:04<mnuhmnuh>melvin_: details of what you're running help. network-manager applet?
23:05<mnuhmnuh>have you updated and installed firmware it needs?
23:06<melvin_>mnuhmnuh: I'm running firefox and also some of the built-in apps for downloading themes, etc. cannot connect. I don't know about the network-manager app.
23:09<mnuhmnuh>in mate, i go system-->network ... or just click on the nm applet icon, all done in the top bar.
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23:10<melvin_>mnuhmnuh: I don't understand, I don't know what mate is and I have no top bar...
23:11<mnuhmnuh>mate is $better v. of gnome, in theory. works good here.
23:12<melvin_>I'm running KDE
23:12<mnuhmnuh>apt show network-manager
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23:14<mnuhmnuh>kde likely has (sigh) knetwork-mangaler or sumfin.
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23:14<mnuhmnuh>kde likely has (sigh) knetwork-mangler or sumfin.
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23:15<melvin_>That just gave me a screen full of info about network-manager
23:15<Nemoder>melvin_: are you on wired or wireless? does the machine have no network connection at all or are some things working?
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23:17<melvin_>Nemoder: I have high speed internet and some sites come up fine while others say server not found
23:17<mnuhmnuh>showed me 35 lines.
23:17<mnuhmnuh>text.
23:18<melvin_>about the same here but no help there
23:18<Nemoder>melvin_: does restarting your router make any difference?
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23:19<melvin_>Nemoder: I'll try that but I'll be gone for about 5 min...Thanks
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23:29<_melvin>Nemoder: Just rebooted the router with no change still server not found
23:29<Nemoder>_melvin: you can't ping 8.8.8.8, can you ping 2001:4860:4860::8888 ?
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23:31<_melvin>Nemoder: Yes
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23:31<Nemoder>so ipv6 is working but not ipv4
23:31<_melvin>that sucks!
23:32<_melvin>brb got to take care of my wife
23:32<Nemoder>check /sbin/ifconfig and see if you are even getting an ipv4 address
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23:44<_melvin>Nemoder: bash: /sbin/ifconfig: No such file or directory
23:45<Nemoder>maybe you need to install net-tools for that
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23:46<_melvin>ok I'll do that...thanks
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23:52*mnuhmnuh good $deity: "ping 2001:4860:4860::8888" # hmph.
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