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02:19<grawity>hmm, do you have any way of setting environment variables for it?
02:19<grawity>GDK_SCALE=2 should help for the default greeter
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02:36<malte_>hi, i switched from mint cinnamon to debian stretch with kde. i kept my home directory. now some things are not as nice as on a debian install with new home dir. for example keepassx is in breeze drak not useable and kdenlive is missing some buttons (both are fine in a virtualbox test with new home dir). i tried to delete both configurations to see if it helps, but does not help. any ideas what i can do?
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03:00<Epakai>malte_: how did you install kde?
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03:06<malte_>Epakai, i formatted the complete disk and just left swap and home untouched, then installed stretch with kde
03:09<Epakai>malte_: i mean did you select the kde task during the install or did you install a package later?
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03:12<malte_>Epakai, oh yes i select it during install and only kde
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03:15<k-man>when my computer tries to hibernate, it asks for my password to authorise hibernation
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03:16<k-man>can i permanently allow hibernation without authenticating?
03:16<grawity>usually it only asks when there are multiple users logged in
03:16<k-man>oh
03:16<grawity>you can write a polkit rule file (pkla) to allow it regardless
03:17<k-man>grawity, can you point me to how to do that?
03:17<grawity>the system log (journalctl -f) should show the specific action name, possibly "org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate" or "org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions"
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03:17<k-man>ok
03:18<grawity>I don't have any examples for .pkla files though (only for the new JS format), but they're pretty simple, try googling
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03:20<Epakai>malte_: my last experience in kde some settings modules (theming related) weren't installed by default, unfortunately i don't have a memory to point you to specific things. you could also try 'qtconfig' and making some adjustment there
03:21<malte_>Epakai, thank you! i will have a look at qtconfig. maybe i will find something. the other option would be to reinstal everything with a brand new home folder, but if i can i would like to avoid that :)
03:22<k-man>grawity, thanks, will do. when would you use the "new JS" format of which you speak?
03:22<grawity>when you're not on Debian
03:23<grawity>polkit 0.113 has been in 'experimental' for many many months
03:24<grawity>either because the maintainers don't like the concept of JS-in-polkit in general, and/or because they found it very unstable
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03:24<RiberHus>hello. what's supposed to the the keyboard shortcut to open the terminal on Stretch with Gnome GUI?
03:24<grawity>(it honestly used to crash a whole lot.)
03:24<RiberHus>s/to the/to be
03:24<grawity>RiberHus: I don't think there's a default one, except going through Alt+F2 ("run command")...
03:24<k-man>i see, thanks grawity
03:24<grawity>I always add custom shortcuts for it though
03:25<grawity>if neither Ctrl+Alt+T nor Win+Enter (Super+Enter) work, then there probably isn't any by default
03:26<RiberHus>hum.. I tried to add Ctrl+Alt+T and the command as gnome-terminal without success
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03:26<k-man>ok - so is there user creatable/editable policy files?
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03:29<grawity>if there weren't, i wouldn't have told you to create/edit them
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03:30<grawity>although don't mix .pkla files in /etc (sysadmin editable) with .policy files in /usr/share (packaged -- editing not recommended)
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03:39<k-man>all the examples i find are people editing the policy in /usr/share
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03:40<grawity>ehh I just googled "polkit pkla example" and I found plenty
03:40<grawity>e.g. https://wiki.libvirt.org/page/SSHPolicyKitSetup
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03:41<grawity>or https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/0.105/pklocalauthority.8.html
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03:47<RiberHus>this is weird.. the shortcut refuses to work.. I've tried already as command 'x-terminal-emulator' and 'gnome-terminal' in the Ctrl+Alt+T shortcut and still don't open the terminal.. what I'm I missing here?
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03:48<k-man>grawity, something like this: https://paste.debian.net/979300/
03:49<grawity>*Action=org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate
03:49<k-man>thanks
03:49<grawity>also, make sure you have the correct action (I mean, the default '…hibernate' is already supposed to be passwordless)
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03:49<k-man>weird that it didn't
03:49<k-man>i'm only logged in as myself in X
03:49<grawity>and, you need all three Result settings because the meaning of ResultAny is a bit weird
03:50<k-man>maybe i'm barking up the wrong tree
03:50<k-man>thanks
03:50<grawity>you can use `pkcheck -a org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate -p $$ -u` to check
03:52<k-man>ok, seems to work, thanks for the pkcheck tip
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03:54<k-man>do i need to reload anything after modifying polickits?
03:55<grawity>depends on whether pkcheck gives the desired result
03:55<k-man>hmm.. i thought it did. or at least, it returned 0
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03:56<grawity>if actual hibernate still requests a password, then a) it's using a different Action= (again, see the system log / journalctl -f -n 100)
03:56<grawity>or b) it's not using polkit at all
03:56<k-man>but systemctl won't let me hibernate because root is logged in (maybe in a term)
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03:56<grawity>that's the multiple-sessions one, then
03:56<grawity>check `loginctl` just in case?
03:58<k-man>grawity, thanks. i have to go and finish cooking dinner. I'll experiment later. thanks for your help
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04:04<RiberHus>okay.. it's working now.. :D it's my Alt key that's kinda 'rusty'. after pressing it harder, it worked.
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04:21<giordano>salve a tutti,mi potreste dire se esiste un canale irc deepin? grazie
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04:24<itd>dpkg: it
04:24<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
04:24<itd>dpkg: deepin
04:24<dpkg>deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at https://www.deepin.org/en/
04:24<Bebowi_>Hallo everyone. I've got a problem due automated installation of debian 9. Does anybody know how to change the isolinux.cfg? Adding preseed/file=/cdrom/preseed.cfg, language=en and changing timeout to 1 doesn't work
04:27<itd>giordano: #deepin on irc.freenode.net
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04:58<Symphonic>If I'm connected with ssh on another tty, how can I start the x istance so that it's like I'm currently working on this machine?
04:58<Symphonic>Because startx says: cannot open /dev/tty0 (permission denied)
04:59<grawity>you can't start the X server via SSH and make it display via SSH
05:00<grawity>you would need to enable SSH's X forwarding (-X, -Y) and let the remote apps connect to the *local* X server
05:00<grawity>(startx tries to run both the server and clients)
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05:00<Symphonic>grawity: I used ssh -x
05:01<Symphonic>But I want to interact with that pc like I have the monitor in front of
05:02<jm_>you can do that using X -query if remote allows it
05:03<Symphonic>jm_ ?
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05:45<sugno>Hello. I don't understand the Debian version numbering for xorg. For example I have
05:45<sugno>xorg 1:7.7+19
05:46<sugno>what is that "1:" ? Other packages do not have it. More over, other packages have a version in the form: upstream_major.upstream_minor-debian_release
05:46<towo^work>that's the epoch
05:46<sugno>But in this case there is no "-debian_release", but that +19
05:48<sugno>OK, I just read about the epoch in https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version , thanks towo^work
05:49<sugno>so "xorg" is a "native package"? It has no debian_revision.
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06:00<jm_>xorg is a metapackage
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06:02<mke>hi, does someone know where ip, netmask and anything else is stored statically in stretch?
06:03<mke>i did a upgrade from jessie, however /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work anymore. I guess now NetworkManager meddles with the ethernet connection
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06:07<duclicsic>mke: if you run 'nmcli dev status' it will tell you which interfaces NetworkManager controls
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06:08<duclicsic>if you intend to use it, it stores config information in /etc/NetworkManager/
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06:09<mke>ah thanks
06:09<mke>eth0 ethernet connected Wired connection 1
06:09<mke>looks like it is managed
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06:09<duclicsic>editing /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf so that it says "managed=false" under the "[ifupdown]" section will cause it to ignore any interfaces you add to /etc/network/interfaces
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06:10<mke>i did that
06:11<mke>when i do that, the interface (here eth0) stays unconfigured.
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06:12<mke>even if i configured it via eni
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06:13<duclicsic>so you add config to /etc/network/interfaces and reboot or restart the 'networking' service, and the interface doesn't get the IP/etc that you specified?
06:13<mke>yes
06:14<duclicsic>you restarted the networkmanager service since adding managed=false ?
06:14<mke>i did a reboot
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06:15<duclicsic>can you pastebin the interfaces file?
06:15<mke>yes, wait
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06:18<mke>https://paste.debian.net/979319/
06:18<mva11>hey boys and girls. my wifi keeps disconnecting ever so often. can someone help me? https://paste.debian.net/979318/
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06:19<duclicsic>mke: is the interface still definitely called eth0 ? naming conventions changed with stretch.
06:19<mke>nmcli said it is eth0
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06:20<jm_>what happens if you run «ifup -a -v eth0»
06:20<mke>and ifconfig -a lists eth0 and lo
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06:20<mke>command not found
06:22<jm_>is ifupdown package installed then?
06:23<mke>oh, no, it is not
06:23<transacid>hey, I was wondering if it is intended that the Packages file is gone although it's still listed http://paste.debian.net/979321/
06:24<jm_>there's Packages.gz and Packages.xz - all seems normal to me
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06:25<transacid>yes, but it's listed in the Release file and apt wants to get it resulting in a 404
06:27<mke>jm_, ah, error found. thank you
06:27<jm_>mke: no problem
06:29<jm_>I see the same thing on the mirror I use: Release file lists all 3, yet apt does not complain
06:29<transacid>hmm after clearing the apt-cacher it seems to work again. still odd
06:30<jm_>so probably some apt-cacher related issue, checked BTS for it?
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06:30<jm_>I'm sayong that because I don't use it and I see no such issue, obviouisly just speculation
06:31<transacid>well wfm now but why is it listed in the Release file when it's not built anymore?
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06:34<jm_>not sure on that, but it seems normal
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07:11<mva11>https://paste.debian.net/979318/ can anyone help me fix my connectivity error? my wifi keeps disconnecting me.
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07:19<annadane>mva11, does dmesg | grep firmware still produce errors?
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07:21<mva11>yes, i included the link https://paste.debian.net/979318/ :)
07:21<annadane>oh i'm sorry, it's early here :P
07:22<annadane>that's really weird, i'm not sure why you're still getting those
07:24<mva11>13.23 here, yea..
07:24<annadane>okay so it's being loaded but you're getting config errors, hmm
07:24<mva11>yeah i thing the config error is from when it disconnect but am not sure
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07:26<annadane>i'm not sure how to answer this, maybe someone else does
07:26<mva11>i can try later if someone knows :)
07:26<mva11>thanks anyways
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07:34<mke>now to my next problem: how can i switch the naming convention of the interface from eth0 to enp3s0 (or however it is called)
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07:38<lordievader>mke: Do you have udev rules to that effect?
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07:39<mke>ah, i guess so. i found one in /etc/udev/rules.d/
07:39<mke>can i savely remove that file?
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07:40<jm_>maybe https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/07/msg01453.html
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09:20<r3b00t>Krl
09:20<r3b00t>Ola
09:20<r3b00t>alguem br ?
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09:21<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:59<TotallyNotKim>ay! whats happens if I reload a kernel module while it's being used?
09:59<TotallyNotKim>what*
10:00<lordievader>Depends on what you unload, for example, network drivers you can unload just fine.
10:00<TotallyNotKim>kvm_intel
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10:03<lordievader>Hmm, I suppose if libvirt and its vm's are not running.... Never tryed it myself though.
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10:04<TotallyNotKim>it's proxmox
10:04<TotallyNotKim>doesn't matter
10:04<TotallyNotKim>kvm after all
10:05<TotallyNotKim>whatever
10:05<TotallyNotKim>looks like I'm going to do the shutdown reload dance
10:05<lordievader>That is the safer route ;)
10:05<TotallyNotKim>to bad the vms on questions aren't on the ha cluster yet
10:06<TotallyNotKim>live migration would have taken care of that :D
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10:08<Guest1377>hi there!
10:08<TotallyNotKim>ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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10:10<Guest1377>You folks using debian 8 or 9?
10:10<froosh>Guest1377: 9
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10:11<Guest1377>cool.... sitched back down to 8 after having graphics issues with gnome - screen flikering...
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10:12<froosh>oh, bummer, I am using i3 so I dont have that issues
10:13<froosh>good luck all in all :)
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10:14<Guest1377>i3? never head of that. Is it any good? WHat the use case behind using it?
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10:14<dnull>Guest1377: https://i3wm.org/
10:14<dnull>It's very minimalistic
10:14*dnull uses it too
10:14<Guest1377>I see... interesting stuff..
10:14<dnull>I use it because I rarely have to touch my mouse
10:15<dnull>There are keybindings for everything
10:15<Guest1377>Is it stable? How long have u been using it for?
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10:16<dnull>I've been using it for ~7 years I think
10:16<dnull>And I've never had an issue
10:16<dnull>But it doesn't have a lot of spit and polish like some of the others
10:16<dnull>It's very minimalistic and gets the job done
10:17<Guest1377>Sick! Can i open any GUI application on it? libreoffice, gimp, etc...
10:17<froosh>sure
10:17<Guest1377>might take a look at it then. sounds interesting
10:17<dnull>Yep
10:18<froosh>I used gnome at first but my laptop is too weak to handle gnome
10:18<dnull>It will handle i3 just fine
10:18<dnull>It has minimal requirements
10:18<dnull>Basically a video driver
10:18<froosh>yep
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10:18<Guest1377>why not just use a tmux window in gnome?
10:19<Guest1377>YOu would have the next of both worlds.. unless you just want to use as little resources as possible..
10:19<Guest1377>*best of..
10:19<dnull>Mostly because I'm not a fan of Gnome
10:19<froosh>I really wanted as little resources as possible
10:19<dnull>But I use tmux all the time too
10:19<Guest1377>hahah ok! ya sounds good.
10:19<dnull>Mostly on remote machines
10:20<Guest1377>yes
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10:20<SavoyRoad[m]>bspwm is also another great choice if you go into the world of tiling WMs
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10:21<dnull>For me it's not about resource usage. I just hate taking my hands off the keyboard
10:21<Guest1377>bspwm also looks cool. Can I maximze any tile any time to full screen?
10:22<dnull>Guest1377: Yep
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10:22<Guest1377>Ya that understandable. ive done some IBM/ZOS stuff in the past and its impossible to us a mouse using thoes systems..
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10:29<dnull>But what it boils down to is use what is comfortable for you
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10:32<WhoamiTwo>hola
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12:08<RC_>Hello.. Is there a channel to ask questions about sid/unstable?
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12:10<RC_>You know, I suppose it helps to read the topic. :) Thanks!
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12:29<rob_debian>I need to unpak three .rar files (for Linux, these are to be used in Linux Distros, not Windows) but unrar-free didn't work ( unrar x <filename>. I have
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12:31<rob_debian>please how to use p7zip-rar ? I didn't find any man page about it in my debian stretch here
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12:32<grawity>7z x <filename>
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12:36<rob_debian>hi grawity, I need to unpack three files in sequence (they become one unpacked file) sap_netweaver_as_abap_750_sp02_ase_dev_edition.part1.rar
12:36<grawity>unpack part 1 and it'll find the rest
12:36<rob_debian>oh, fine, grawity, let me try it here
12:37<Blacker47>rob_debian, i think i have a dejavu.
12:38<rob_debian>I put them in sequence ? '7z x sap_netweaver_as_abap_750_sp02_ase_dev_edition.part1.rar sap_netweaver_as_abap_750_sp02_ase_dev_edition.part2.rar sap_netweaver_as_abap_750_sp02_ase_dev_edition.part3.rar ?
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12:39<rob_debian>Blacker47 unfortunately it's not a dejavu, it's a real situation here :(
12:40<rob_debian>according situation here, if I didn't insist using Debian, I would be back using windows again
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12:42<Blacker47>rob_debian, for me it seems that you ignored the most of the help i post to you in the past and so you still have the problem and ask again. :-(
12:43<rob_debian>thanks for attention and great support, Blacker47, quite tired here, that wasn't my intention if i ignored accidentally your help, please, forgive me about it ! :(
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12:43<rob_debian>I'll have to read all the instructions again you've passed me
12:44<Blacker47>so now you know what you are doing wrong?
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12:45<rob_debian>not yet, Black47, please, let me check it here...
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12:46<rob_debian>well, some minutes ago I read your instruction, now I remembered ! unrar x <filename>, but it didn't work
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12:50<samwan>Hello my dear Debian friends, does anyone know if this information (backports uploads) exists in a more machine-readable way? https://backports.debian.org/changes/stretch-backports.html - I'd like to avoid parsing the HTML because the markup could of course change anytime
12:50<Blacker47>so there is 3 possibilities: you are doing it wrong; your archive files are not complete or damaged or it is packed with a incompatible version of rar or something like that. in any case using unrar-free that is for rar 2.x archives only makes no sense.
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12:57<Blacker47>rob_debian, you can try shareware rar from non-free that is version 5.4 (unrar is 5.3).
12:57<rob_debian>I see Blacker47
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12:58<rob_debian>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib
12:58<rob_debian> I think it's possibel this non-free version
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12:59<rob_debian>apt-get install shareware rar ?
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13:04<rob_debian>these files are complete, for they were succesfully unpacked in jessie in other occasion, Blacker47. Perhaps I've forgotten the correct process.
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13:06<Blacker47>apt-get install rar
13:07<rob_debian>thanks a lot for great support, Blacker47 !! You're Always a Great Debian Warrior helping me here !!
13:08<rob_debian>Thansk you too grawity, other Great Debian Warrior providing me great support !!
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13:14<rob_debian>Please Blacker, se what's happened:https://paste.debian.net/979391/
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13:14<rob_debian>other package was succesfully installed, but rar has failed
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13:17<rob_debian>should I have to add other repository line in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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13:30<Walex>rob_debian: choose another mirror
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13:31<Walex>rob_debian: for some reason you have configured your system claiming it has IPv6 connectivity but it hasn't.
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13:35<rob_debian>Hi Walex, thanks for attending me here ! Please, in this case, what good mirror do you suggest me to replace this one: https://paste.debian.net/979394/
13:35<rob_debian>or how to deactivate this ipv6 connection I don't need here ?
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13:41<Blacker47>rob_debian, try "apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true install rar" but you should fix your network - maybe it is a temporal problem of your ISP with broken ipv6 routing or similar.
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13:42<rob_debian>ok Blacker47, I'll try it here. really thanks !! :)
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13:43<rob_debian>installed here, Blacker47 !
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13:44<rob_debian>now, let me try to unpack the files... thank you very much for Great Support again, Black47 ! Thanks for information provided Walex !!
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13:45<rob_debian>I really like Debian Warriors a lot ! Really fun and nice People here :)
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13:47<lwxre>.
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13:47<lwxre>hey
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13:48<lwxre>is anyone here
13:49<mc68040>!ask
13:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:49<lwxre>i have a problem with tor browser
13:49<lwxre>can anyone help me with it
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13:50<dboles>Explain what this problem is, and you'll find out
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13:54<lwxre>when i open "Tor Browser Launcher Settings" and select "Install Tor Browser" i find there is and error "Error Connection To Tor At TCP:127.0.0.1:9050
13:55<lwxre>how can i solve this problem
13:56<lwxre>and thanks to all of u
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13:58<mc68040>lwxre: is "tor" installed and running?
13:59<annadane>lwxre, tor browser is not in stretch
13:59<annadane>i would ask in #tor
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14:02<Walex>rob_debian: to see where your IPv6 address is do: ip -6 addr show
14:02<rob_debian>Please, Blacker47, take a look on it: apparently it was unpacked succesfully: https://paste.debian.net/979397/
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14:03<rob_debian>ok, Walex, is thta needed to deactivate it in the case ?
14:03<rob_debian>is that
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14:10<Walex>rob_debian: yes
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15:14<Snglrty>how i can turn off bluetooth on my laptop? Debian show bluetooth error every time on startup
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15:15<shibumi>Snglrty: turn off bluetooth support in the kernel
15:16<Snglrty>but how
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15:24<annadane>Snglrty, i did find this https://askubuntu.com/questions/67758/how-can-i-deactivate-bluetooth-on-system-startup though it's for ubuntu
15:24<annadane>i'm not sure if it works the same way in debian
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15:24<Snglrty>ty will try
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15:25<annadane>the second answer with 43 upvotes seems simple enough
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15:26<annadane>though some comments under that answer say it doesn't work
15:26<Snglrty>there is no rc.local in debian
15:26<jmcnaught>don't use rc.local for this
15:27<Snglrty>43 votes better ty
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15:32<Snglrty>one more question, how i can see input devices on debian9.1 gnome? sudo xinput dont work here
15:32<jmcnaught>Snglrty: did you try without sudo?
15:32<Snglrty>aye
15:33<Snglrty>ther is no xserver on debian9?
15:33<jmcnaught>if you are using GNOME you might be logging into Wayland instead of Xorg. Also Xorg doesn't run as root anymore in stretch (at least if you use gdm3, not sure about the others)
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15:34<itd>Snglrty: Looks like that setting is gone, see comments on that answer (and the link to https://marc.info/?l=linux-bluetooth&m=138695456303364&w=2 ).
15:34<Snglrty>i just "sudo apt-get install xinput" and now its work, i do bad or its ok?
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15:36<Snglrty>anyone know where is laptor touchscreen here? http://paste.debian.net/979409/
15:36<jmcnaught>Snglrty: yeah it's fine to install packages from the Debian archives ☺ I just meant not to use sudo with the xinput command itself
15:36<Snglrty>ok ty)
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15:40<Snglrty>i found it)
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16:49<mufflon>Hello there. Someone had problem with upgrade from sketch to sid? I cant upgrade because of owerriding "/usr/share/locale/sr/LC_SCRIPTS/kfontinst/kfontinst.js" problem
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16:50<jmcnaught>mufflon: unstable support is next door in #debian-next ☺
16:50<mufflon>Okay ;-) thanks jmcnaught
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16:55<mnuhmnuh>what would i need to do to fix the anarchic state of man pages on my system? i know I used to be able to groff batch it all, bu it's been a while.
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16:57<bw123>mnuhmnuh man mandb didn't help?
16:57<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: Do what now? I don't understand the problem you're trying to solve.
16:58<mnuhmnuh>petn-randall: formatting, long length lines, odd embedded chars, ...
16:58<mnuhmnuh>bw123: tx.
16:59<bw123>yeah i have some formatting issues too if you find a solution do pass it on
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17:02<mnuhmnuh>petn-randall: prob. is dox are last, and produced wherever they're produced however they're produced, migrated *somehow* to target system, and are very low priority for most complainers.
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17:07<camionmandaf>hi anyone has test kvm/qemu ?
17:10<annadane>camionmandaf,
17:10<annadane>!ask
17:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:10<camionmandaf>Im on debian
17:11<petn-randall>camionmandaf: Didn't you just ask 10 minutes ago on the other channel?
17:11<camionmandaf>9 and kvm qemu paquet not working
17:11<petn-randall>!doesnt work
17:11<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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17:12<jmcnaught>camionmandaf: how does it fail? what did you try, and what was the result? can you show us on http://paste.debian.net/ ? I use KVM all the time on Debian 9.
17:12<Snglrty>if i see red input on dmesg - its very bad? that means crytical errors on kernel?
17:12<Snglrty>red output*
17:12<bw123>guilty of all of this^^
17:12<annadane>i guess it depends on what the output is
17:12<camionmandaf>paste.debian.net/979426
17:12<bw123>except begginh
17:12<annadane>i've gotten "warning" messages in red
17:13<petn-randall>!bat
17:13<camionmandaf>no , the paquet is not available :/
17:13<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
17:13<petn-randall>!localized errors
17:13<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
17:13<petn-randall>camionmandaf: ^^^
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17:13<jmcnaught>camionmandaf: also please don't remove the scheme (http://) from URLs
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17:14<camionmandaf>Okay sorry ;)
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17:15<annadane>oh dmesg, i really can't read
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17:15<camionmandaf>does the "libvirt-daemon-system libvirt-dev libvirt-clients
17:15<camionmandaf>" work ?
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17:16<petn-randall>camionmandaf: Can you read the last two messages from dpkg and provide that info in a paste? That would allow us to help you.
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17:16<camionmandaf>http://paste.debian.net/979427 this ?
17:17<Snglrty>!localized errors
17:17<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
17:17<Maarten_>im wondering if i found a bug... im using jessie with MATE.. i have change the vars in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs .. opening caja (filebrowser) when clicking on any of the home folders will "link" to correct new location also desktop... however even after refreshing the desktop with F5 i still see files in old folder and not the new desktop location...
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17:17<petn-randall>!tell camionmandaf -about bat
17:18<petn-randall>!tell camionmandaf -about localized errors
17:18<petn-randall>camionmandaf: dpkg should have sent you a private message, check that please.
17:18<camionmandaf>Okay np :/ im new on irc sry
17:18<camionmandaf>http://paste.debian.net/979428
17:20<bw123>camionmandaf: it's ok, sorry about your paquet problem, does that mean 'package'
17:21<camionmandaf>oh yes paquet ^^
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17:21<petn-randall>camionmandaf: That is _not_ what was asked for.
17:21<petn-randall>camionmandaf: You're missing 1), 2) and 3) from the requested output. So basically everything. :)
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17:26<bw123>camionmandaf: 3) apt-cache policy will show where your paquets are coming from, good idea
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17:27<petn-randall>It's called "packages" in English, btw.
17:27<camionmandaf>i have http://paste.debian.net/979430 error on my client :/
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17:30<annadane>camionmandaf, just give us the following
17:30<annadane>LC_ALL=C apt-get install bridge-utils kvm libvirt-bi
17:30<annadane>LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy bridgeutils kvm libvirt-bi
17:30<annadane>LC_ALL =C apt-cache policy
17:31<annadane>sorry, shouldn't be a space on the =C in last
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17:31<annadane>should also be bridge-utils instead of bridgeutils
17:32<camionmandaf>bridge-utils is already the newest version (1.5-13).
17:32<annadane>on paste.debian.net
17:33<camionmandaf>i have trying to install the suggered version
17:33<petn-randall>camionmandaf: We can't help you until you provide the info we ask you for. If you continue to ignore that, we'll start ignoring you.
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17:34<camionmandaf>if you want http://paste.debian.net/979431
17:34<annadane>and also you don't need apt-get install && apt-get install
17:34<annadane>you can just type all the packages you want to install in one go
17:34<camionmandaf>yes i kwon ^^ i have see that after ^^
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17:36<annadane>and by the way we need not just apt-cache policy <packages> but apt-cache policy by itself
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17:38<bw123>'no candidate' = sources.list problem
17:38<annadane>camionmandaf, also give us your sources list. editor /etc/apt/sources.list
17:38<mnuhmnuh>camionmandaf: btw, look into pastebinit. "dmesg | pastebinit", and it spits ous a url you can report. slick.
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17:40<bw123>i hate it when my paquets have no candidate, i rarely edit sources.list
17:42<bw123>but i did switch all three lines to deb.debian.org today
17:43<bw123>or maybe it was two lines and a security.debian.org i forget
17:44<annadane>having no installation candidate in debian stable is very odd
17:44<annadane>it indicates something is very wrong
17:45<bw123>if you install from cd without the net you can end up with only the cd for a source
17:46<jmcnaught>camionmandaf: bridgeutils and kvm are not package names
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17:47<annadane>i probably should have checked that first...
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17:48<bw123>yeh kvm is a virtual i think real pkg is qemu-kvm
17:48<mnuhmnuh>bw123: a debian source. try upstream & /usr/local.
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17:49<mnuhmnuh>er, poss. apple v. oranges, sry.
17:50<mnuhmnuh>thot you meant source code marooned.
17:50<jmcnaught>camionmandaf: il y a aussi un canal français #debian-fr, peut-être plus facile pour vous? You're welcome to continue here in English of course ☺
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17:51<bw123>mnuhmnuh: could be, but the man page had line breaks and i couldn't read it
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17:54<mnuhmnuh>mandb's about recreating caches, btw, not re-processing troff & etc. manpage source types a la gentoo rebuild.
17:54<bw123>i think it's a bug that man page is hard to read, but you need to give them a patch
17:55<mnuhmnuh>dpkg-reconfigure ought to do it. :-|
17:55<annadane>what is camionmandaf actually trying to install?
17:56<annadane>"kvm" is not a package but qemu-kvm is, you may want to read https://wiki.debian.org/KVM, camionmandaf
17:57<mnuhmnuh>bw123: yabut, that old troff markup lang is the granfather of all markup langs. it's childishly easy.
17:57<annadane>oui et comme jmcnaught a dit il y a aussi #debian-fr si c'est plus facile pour toi
17:58<bw123>mnuhmnuh: i am very childish so tell me where to look it up
17:58<bw123>so i don't have to type mnuhmnuh again
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17:58<mnuhmnuh>bw123: nowadays, groff.
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17:59<mnuhmnuh>mn<TAB>
17:59<bw123>ok i'll check out troff after i see: groff
18:02<annadane>bridge-utils *is* a package: https://packages.debian.org/stable/bridge-utils
18:02<annadane>so what i posted in my commands earlier is correct
18:02<annadane>not sure if he's even still reading this channel
18:03<annadane>(well, it's correct if you replace kvm with qemu-kvm)
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18:06<annadane>camionmandaf, "libvirt-bi" is also not a package. libvirt-bin is, but it's not in stable
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18:07<annadane>see https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=libvirt-bin
18:07<annadane>i think if you want to continue working on your problem in this channel if you don't want to go to #debian-fr that we should just start from the beginning
18:08<mnuhmnuh>bw123: man groff_man
18:08<bw123>paquet is fr?
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18:09<zeromon>how do I check the default 2d acceleration method for intel graphic driver? I am just wondering if the default method became "sna" method.
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18:10<bw123>man intel has some info, i think 'sna' is default now
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18:10<bw123>but 'uxa' might still work
18:11<zeromon>bw123: Do you expect huge difference in terms of speed?
18:11<bw123>zeromon: i left it at default, Xorg.0.log says sna and it all works fine
18:11<bw123>beats me
18:11<zeromon>bw123: Thanks for your answer.
18:12<n0rthlight>I am sorry can somebody explain me this command or line I just dont know what to type in.
18:12<n0rthlight>aptitude -r install linux-headers-$
18:12<n0rthlight>Mising info:
18:12<n0rthlight>aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-driver
18:12<petn-randall>n0rthlight: That will just throw an error. What are you trying to do?
18:12<n0rthlight>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22
18:12<n0rthlight>That line i just dont get it
18:13<petn-randall>n0rthlight: $(...) is shell syntax and means "run this command, and place the *output* of this command in place of the $(...)".
18:13<petn-randall>n0rthlight: You can run "uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'" as a test.
18:14<n0rthlight>YEah I understood that but I have no idee what are supposed to be the output?
18:14<mnuhmnuh>n0rthlight: echo "linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')" on a command line says "linux-headers-amd64" here. :-)
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18:15<petn-randall>n0rthlight: It will output your architecture.
18:15<annadane>that wiki is interesting in that aptitude isn't in stretch by default
18:16<petn-randall>?
18:16<n0rthlight>I know ..
18:16<annadane>though i guess it assumes you don't need to be told to install it
18:16<n0rthlight>I did need it foudn the problem after 10 minutes
18:16<petn-randall>Just install it? There's no sensible default to cater everyone's needs, anyway.
18:16<annadane>no, of course not, i'm just rambling
18:16<annadane>please ignore the annadane and do not feed it under any circumstances
18:17<n0rthlight>Well both of you are right I dont mind looking for issue just not in 1024x768 please
18:17<n0rthlight>:)
18:17<n0rthlight>Solution that is :)
18:20<n0rthlight>Well I could not believe it was actually a command forgive my noobness.
18:20<bw123>can't you just install the headers you need for the kernel you're building for?
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18:21<bw123>wihtout all the uname redir stuff?
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18:24<bw123>guess there's no easy way to install headers when it gets updated
18:25*annadane never wants to hear the word header ever again
18:25<bw123>.h is okay?
18:25<annadane>i'm being silly, ignore me
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18:26<bw123>i never ran nvidia or anything needing dkms and i'm real glad!!!
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18:27<bw123>but it is good that linux has a way to do it
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18:33<n0rthlight>Well to those who helped earlier thank you. It worked, I am not in 1024x768 anymore.
18:34<bw123>i'm in 1024x600 so what happened did you build a driver?
18:35<n0rthlight>Naa just copied that line in terminal with apptitude installed and it did his job.
18:36<n0rthlight>I just didn't understand that was semi automation.
18:36<bw123>i have 1080 on the tv but peopple's court is on right now
18:36<dnull>bw123: Priorities
18:37<n0rthlight>lol
18:37<mnuhmnuh>n0rthlight: it's unix/linux shell / bash.
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18:37<mnuhmnuh>man sed if you really want to dive in.
18:38<bw123>n0rthlight: if the problem was in the wiki i think you can fix it
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18:38<annadane>being stuck in one resolution can also be missing firmware
18:38<annadane>check dmesg | grep firmware
18:39<annadane>unless you must see the conclusion of people's court
18:39<dnull>Of course you need to see the conclusion
18:39<n0rthlight>bw123 I was not going to but adding 1 line is not a bad idea yeah.
18:40<bw123>n0rthlight: i hate editing wiki entries so if you do it: good luck
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18:56<n0rthlight>bw123 that much eh? Lets try it
18:57<bw123>omg the plaintiffs lost their case, brb
18:58<schoppenhauer1>hi. I want to install sarge into a virtual machine. there is archive.debian.org, but I cannot get the installer use the right directory.
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18:59<petn-randall>schoppenhauer1: Is there a reason you want to install such an old and unsupported version?
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19:00<schoppenhauer1>petn-randall: yes.
19:01<schoppenhauer1>as I said, just a VM
19:02<schoppenhauer1>petn-randall: do you know what I have to pass to the installer?
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19:03<schoppenhauer1>petn-randall: I tried to give archive.debian.org as a servername, and /debian/, /debian/dists/, /debian/dists/sarge/ as subdirectories. but somehow, it always claims that there is no Release-file.
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19:05<jmcnaught>schoppenhauer1: install without a network mirror, configure sources.list after the first boot
19:06<TobiX>schoppenhauer1: Doesn't the instructions from http://archive.debian.org/debian/README work?
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19:06<schoppenhauer1>jmcnaught, TobiX, is there still a full cd for installation? because I only find netinstall.
19:07<jmcnaught>schoppenhauer1: current netinst images can install a base system without network. I think it was the same back then too.
19:08<DarkPi>Can I run a Cron Job as root
19:08<schoppenhauer1>jmcnaught: ok I try
19:08<schoppenhauer1>thx
19:08<DarkPi>for example shred -zu /.bash_history
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19:09<TobiX>jmcnaught: Was sarge already using debian-installer? Or still boot-floppies?
19:10<DarkPi>or should i just chmod /.bash_history
19:10<TobiX>Ah, looks like it was already debian-installer...
19:11<TobiX>schoppenhauer1: You can jigdo the CDs if you really want them: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/i386/jigdo-cd/
19:13<TobiX>schoppenhauer1: See https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ for the "full" CD archive
19:14<DarkPi>echo $HISTFILE/root/.bash_history
19:14<DarkPi>but when i attempt a shred it cant find file
19:14<DarkPi>any ideas?
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19:15<dnull>So you attempt sudo shred /root/.bash_history and it can't find the file?
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19:20<bw123>DarkPi: just tell bash not to save the history?
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19:23<n0rthlight>whats the name of the app again for managing vpn network manager is it? Please.
19:23<danielsh>networkmanager ?
19:23<n0rthlight>Yeah I was not 100% thank you.
19:24<danielsh>np
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19:35<h9x>Hello
19:35<h9x>How is eveyone today?
19:35<h9x>!
19:35<annadane>hi. do you have a support question?
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19:36<h9x>How to install Kali linux tools in debian
19:36<annadane>!kali
19:36<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
19:36<annadane>that said, your question is a general one. i don't really know the list of default kali tools but you should be able to find them easily enough by an internet search and if they're in the debian repo install them
19:37<h9x>thanks
19:37<h9x>
19:37<h9x>exit
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19:38<h9x>sorry
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20:50<melvin>bw123: You helped me the other day with slow performance and suggested the graphics driver...Thanks! That was it...I installed the free Radeon driver and my problem was solved :)
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21:08<bw123>melvin: way to go. You said you upgraded from jessie, and I wondered why it was a problem.
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21:11<melvin>bw123: I did a clean install of stretch and it was using the VGA driver...I fixed the performance problem by installing the free AMD/ATI driver but now I have found some bugs in the driver so now I'm trying to find out how to uninstall the free driver and try the non-free driver.
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21:12<bw123>melvin: thanks I really like radeon boards, but i only have some older stuff, nothing in the HD series.
21:13<bw123>I really hate the way AMD abandobns older stuff, so I appreciate the free radeon driver.
21:15<melvin>bw123: Does the free driver work for you? I have a Radeon HD 6250 and the free driver doesn't work right...now I have to find out how to install the non-free driver in stretch :(
21:16<bw123>melvin: well before you go to the proprietary driver fglrx, if you take some time and report anu bugs, they might like that.
21:17<bw123>after that just go to the debian wiki search for atiproprietary, that should fix you up
21:17<annadane>although it only has instructions up to jessie
21:18<annadane>not sure if it's any different from stretch
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21:19<bw123>ok, well hey welvin you just got drafted to write a wiki on atiproprietary
21:19<bw123>sorry melvin: sp
21:21<melvin>bw123: OK, I'll try that...but if I have to eventually go to the non-free driver I have to find out if I have to uninstall the free driver first and then like you said I need to find out if the procedure for jessie will work on stretch...then I might be knowledgable enough to write a wiki :)
21:22<bw123>melvin: i think the proprietary driver will add the right blacklists, but yeah do some good reserach and also try to fix up the free driver first and report the bugs for us old guys ok?
21:22<melvin>lbw123: OK, will do :)
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21:23<melvin>bw123: ^^^
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21:31<bw123>i have seen a few of those radeon bords on craigslist in a machine with mboard, ram and a case for about 30-40 dollars lately. man that's cheap.
21:32<bw123>but i like a vga port not just hdmi or dvi or mini dp
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21:36<jmcnaught>melvin: fglrx was removed for stretch, AMD doesn't maintain it anymore and it was not compatible with the newer version of Xorg. Unless your card is supported by the amdgpu driver, radeon is your only option
21:38<melvin>bw123: Thanks for the info...BRB, I have to do something for the wife :)
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22:09<melvin>bw123: For your future reference if you have video problems in Firefox when scrolling with the mouse wheel turn off smooth scolling in Firefox (jPreferences/Advanced/Browsing/Use Smooth Scrolling)...I don't dnow if this would be considered a bug in the display driver or not...it did not do that in fessie with the non-free AMD/ATI driver but that fixes the problem...maybe Firefox does something that tries to write directly to the
22:09<melvin>hardware?
22:10<melvin>*jessie
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22:49<Maarten_>when i create new account it only contains the files from /etc/skel. however on first login it create whole bunch of files... where do these files come from?
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22:58<jmcnaught>Maarten_: xdg-user-dirs
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23:07<Maarten_>jmcnaught: is it "save" to run `xdg-user-dirs-update` after being loged in?
23:07<Maarten_>safe
23:10<jmcnaught>Maarten_: I don't think it's destructive but I haven't tried. Test it with a different user account.
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23:22<Maarten_>is their way to restart instead of `kill -9 $pid`
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23:25<jmcnaught>Maarten_: restart what? 'kill -9' is like a bullet to the head. Why not just "kill"? Take a look at "man 7 signals"
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23:26<Maarten_>im getting a "No manual entry for signals"
23:27<jmcnaught>if a program doesn't respond to SIGTERM (the default with kill) then it's buggy. Some programs restart themselves on SIGHUP
23:27<jmcnaught>Maarten_: oh sorry it's signal not signals
23:27<Maarten_>need to restart mate-panel... it is eating up 4gb and growing....
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23:28<jmcnaught>Maarten_: and it does not respond to SIGTERM?
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23:40<Maarten_>the man make distinguishing between abort, kill and terminate ... but not how they differ... also could find any mentioning on restarting... there is not help file for signal
23:43<jmcnaught>Maarten_: i would just "pkill mate-panel" and then start it again manually with alt-f2
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23:48<Maarten_>oke thanks... i did the xdg-user-dirs-update but it did not reload the desktop as i had hoped...
23:48<jmcnaught>'reload the desktop'?
23:48<Maarten_>and the xdg-user-dirs seems to be only for the normal home folders. but not all the dot file that are create on first login....
23:53<jmcnaught>Maarten_: oh yes. Those others are created by the programs that use them. You can put dot files in /etc/skel if you want (for new users)
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23:57<Maarten_>jmcnaught: yes... i did man and info for xdg-user-dirs which did not have much info... after doing a locate i found a readme file with just one link.. https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/ the page does not have much info but i was under the impression that it would read my setting in ~/.config/xdg-user-dirs and reload them...
23:58<jmcnaught>by reload do you mean change their names? like Desktop becomes Bureau for example?
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