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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-08-05

---Logopened Sat Aug 05 00:00:29 2017
---Daychanged Sat Aug 05 2017
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00:22<not-me>hi, i just upgraded from fessie to stretch, but now i have an issue mounting the second partition of a diskimage. the first is mounted well as usual.
00:23<not-me>oops i meant jessie
00:23<annadane>fessie is debian 13 ;)
00:24<not-me>the mount option in fstab are like:
00:25<not-me>"/srv/img/rpi-raspbian-lite.img /srv/nfs/rpi-raspbian-lite-boot auto loop,ro,nofail,auto,offset=4194304 0 0" "/srv/img/rpi-raspbian-lite.img /srv/nfs/rpi-raspbian-lite-root auto loop,ro,nofail,auto,offset=48234496 0 0"
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00:26<not-me>and the error message i get, for the second partition is:
00:27<not-me>"mount: /srv/img/rpi-raspbian-lite.img: overlapping loop device exists"
00:29<not-me>in the man, there is a note for loops, that if the mount file, the offset and sizelimit is equal, the same loop will be used. but in my case the offset is different. so i dont understand the errormessage.
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03:42<Jan\\>live cd boot works but doesn't display anything after the initial screen
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04:18*iflema live cds in my experience are buggy as a install base. Best to use full media or a net install.
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08:19<samrat>what is hex chat and why we use it?
08:21<Epakai>it's an IRC client for internet chatting
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08:27<TotallyNotKim>hey I'm trying to find about 33.1gb of missing data
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08:28<TotallyNotKim>issuing sudo du -hsx * | sort -rh | head -40 in /home shows my home folder with a size of 24gb
08:28<TotallyNotKim>in the home folder ls -lah reports 91M total
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08:28<TotallyNotKim>also du doesnt show me with file / folder consumes the space
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08:29<TotallyNotKim>I do not miss any data, just trying to clean up
08:29<TotallyNotKim>32gb*
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08:34<itd>TotallyNotKim: What does 'ls -lah' report in /home? :)
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08:35<TotallyNotKim>ohh
08:35<TotallyNotKim>I see
08:35<TotallyNotKim>also found the files
08:35<TotallyNotKim>:)
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08:36<itd>TotallyNotKim: Also https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/55 (+ link in comment on question)
08:37<TotallyNotKim>^^
08:37<TotallyNotKim>confused myself about that
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12:02<n0rthlight>Hey is it normal to get /usr/bin/lsattr: Operation not supported While reading flags on /bin/ mutiple times on this command: /usr/bin/lsattr `echo $PATH | tr ':' ' '` | grep i--
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12:03<annadane>n0rthlight, post your complete output?
12:05<n0rthlight>annadane This is above my understanding, I will provided you the guide I was following. I am just trying to understand if the result are worry some of system been tampered with
12:05<n0rthlight>http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-Quickstart-HOWTO/intrusion.html#HACKED
12:05<n0rthlight>its in the 6.2 section.
12:06<n0rthlight>I read it like 20 times I am still puzzled..
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12:09<itd>n0rthlight: Maybe a hint: https://superuser.com/a/755286
12:09<n0rthlight>Yeah thanks I did read that.
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12:11<annadane>i just thought your output would provide more hints but it may not be necessary
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12:14<n0rthlight>Annadane I didn't output anything I get lost in Linux translation. My output was supposed to be after $PATH right?
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12:15<n0rthlight>The debian guide sure have a steep learning curve.
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12:16<n0rthlight>guides.
12:17<annadane>ah, well, i just tried it myself and it really does just seem to be a bunch of "operation not supported"
12:18<annadane>by output i just mean, what does the terminal say when you enter that command
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12:19<n0rthlight>Oh well yeah it was mutiples of those Operation not supported: So you got the same msg ?
12:19<annadane>yep
12:19<n0rthlight>I think its normal once you have installed different applications thats what I read however just conforming relief me a little. thanks.
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12:19<annadane>well, i don't really know the answer so i'll stop talking :D
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12:19<seru>Hi all
12:20<seru>I've just installed debian but I can't seem to access the windows network
12:20<seru>It comes up with “Failed to retrieve share list from server”
12:20<seru>What can I do?
12:20<n0rthlight>Annadane you helped regularizing the situation.
12:21<jcrain>n0rthlight: those are all symlinks that it complains on. maybe lsattr doesn't work on symlinks.
12:21<annadane>well, my output isn't what you're supposed to get if your system is clean according to the guide
12:21<annadane>so either the guide is wrong or we're both infected
12:22<n0rthlight>My tought exactly
12:22<n0rthlight>However this is a clean install with Virtualbox installed and not used yet.
12:23<annadane>i'm inclined to believe jcrain
12:23<n0rthlight>Same
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12:23<annadane>it's kind of bad i don't know more than tha
12:23<annadane>t
12:24<itd>n0rthlight: If you look at the source for lsattr you will find only one occurence of that error message: https://sources.debian.net/src/e2fsprogs/1.43.5-1/misc/lsattr.c/?hl=86#L86
12:24<n0rthlight>Let me look.
12:24<itd>n0rthlight: So fgetflags returned -1, that function is defined here: https://sources.debian.net/src/e2fsprogs/1.43.5-1/lib/e2p/fgetflags.c/?hl=48#L48
12:27<n0rthlight>itd It is above my understanding could you point me to the point you are making. I tried!
12:27<n0rthlight>?
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12:28<itd>n0rthlight: My point is: fgetflags only returns -1 in line 54 or 101.
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12:30<itd>n0rthlight: So either the stat syscall failed or line 101 was reached (via its goto label 'notsupp' in line 77).
12:30<itd>n0rthlight: And finally (if I understand correctly): line 77 is reached if the file is not a directory and not a normal file.
12:31<itd>n0rthlight: A symbolic link is neither a normal file nor a directory.
12:31*itd argues that lsattr failed since that file is a link.
12:31<n0rthlight>lol
12:31<n0rthlight>Now i get it. :P
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12:32<n0rthlight>Everyday it seems I get worst understanding debian ..:(
12:33<Walex>n0rthlight: it has lots of layers of "legacy" logic
12:33<Walex>n0rthlight: Linux has been around for 25 years.
12:33<annadane>that's pretty much the definition of a difficulty curve. everything you do at first is easily comprehensible. then you start into more difficult things and feel like you're getting worse. after a while, you get better and it smooths out
12:34<annadane>i, however, am still an idiot
12:34<n0rthlight>Lol
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12:35<n0rthlight>Yeah thanks all you been patient and helpful I feel less paranoid but so far from hardening my system.
12:35<annadane>n0rthlight, as general advice, the issue with hardening your system is it makes it harder to do things
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12:36<annadane>and if you don't understand how to harden a system you can run into problems
12:36<n0rthlight>I know it make me very careful on what I do.
12:36<annadane>i guess it does depend on what method you use, whether some are easier than others
12:37<annadane>some people don't bother hardening their system because they just find it's a nuisance
12:38<n0rthlight>Yeah I am gonna start easier stuff like Iptables / firewall and see has I go.
12:38<annadane>it depends on what you mean by it. there are sets of "hardening tools" which i'm not sure how it applies to debian. then there's the general practice of just making yourself more secure in general, which is things like iptables etc
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12:38<annadane>the best principle of securing yourself is just to use common sense and not upset three letter agencies
12:39<n0rthlight>Oh I don't believed they need to be upset but that for another channel. :)
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12:42<melo12>Hi guys
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12:43<melo12>I would like to understand how I can fix this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860534
12:43<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/860534 in firmware-amd-graphics (open): «firmware-amd-graphics: Random system freezes with AMD GPU»; severity: important; opened: 2017-04-18; last modified: 2017-08-01.
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12:45<annadane>melo12, as mentioned before, you're on stable and that bug is in testing. also you should probably mention that your post is in there under carmelo c so you don't end up giving people redundant info
12:45<annadane>i'm leaving for a few minutes bbl
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12:45<Walex>melo12: you become a kernel GPU graphics developers, become very familiar withe the radeon/amdgpu driver and you spend a lot of time figuring it out
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12:47<melo12>annadane Should I put it as a new bug report?
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12:48<bw123>melo12: how do you know the firmware is the problem?
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12:49<melo12>walex I ask for someone's support, the open source philosophy is also to help solve problems by having the source code available
12:49<Walex>melo12: indeed, so send patches :-)
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12:50<Walex>melo12: the philsophy is "scratch your itch". Note that you asked "how can *I* fix this bug".
12:51<melo12>bw123 I suppose if you go to see the log I posted 2017_08_01_kern.log.txt, there is a line that speaks of "GPU lockup"
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12:52<bw123>melo12: not sure you could boot without firmware, but what about trying an older version and see if the problem goes away.
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12:53<bw123>gpu lockup can happen without firmware, intel had that issue back right before jessie
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12:55<melo12>bw123 Ok, if the bug is not in the firmware how do i know in which package is it?
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12:56<melo12>xorg log reported "Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file"
12:56<Walex>melo12: you become an expert kernel GPU driver developer, familiar with the radeon/amdgpu driver and you spend a lot of time investigating the source of the bug.
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12:58<Walex>melo12: perhaps you could consider asking: "what can I do about it, as a workaround?"
12:58<melo12>Walex we are here to learn, I do not define a gpu expert, problems solve with dialogue
12:59<bw123>melo12: you find out which package by elimination of everything else
12:59<Walex>melo12: then you should not ask how to fix something that is immensely complex and contains many layers of stuff written by dozens of people.
13:00<Walex>melo12: you get answers to the questions you actually ask, if you are lucky :-)
13:01<melo12>bw123 I installed debian 9.1 netinst from scratch, the problem came to me suddenly
13:03<melo12>At 10:35:57 in the log 2017_08_01_kern.log.txt the bug is present..
13:04<bw123>why don't you try tweaking the driver, look up /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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13:05<e>здорово
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13:06<melo12>xorg.conf.d is not present xorg has been configured automatically
13:06<itd>dselect: ru
13:06<dselect>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
13:06<bw123>melo12: yeah it has been but it don't work, that's the point
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13:08<melo12>From 2017_08_01_kern.log can you trace something?
13:08<bw123>melo12: it's your computer you have to trace it
13:08<bw123>read man radeon if you're using the radeon driver
13:09<melo12>yes I use the radeon driver
13:10<melo12>bw123 The only place where the event was reported is in the kern.log file
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13:11<melo12>I turn to your help because I ask for a comparison with the experts
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13:12<melo12>I was told before gpu lockup does not really depend on the firmware, and what can it depend on?
13:13<bw123>melo12: hardware, bios, kernel, driver, X.. long list
13:14<bw123>power supply?
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13:15<bw123>heat?
13:15<bw123>get off irc and fix it
13:17<melo12>bw123 When the gpu lockup occurred, the screen became black, then it resumed but fragmented images were shown
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13:20<bw123>melo12: yeah i know i have seen that way back on intel i said
13:21<bw123>you can fix it
13:22<bw123>i think what happens is the card falls back to vesa or someother fb device or whatever
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13:25<melo12>bw123 Gpu lockup happened when i was browsing irc with the KiwiIRC webclient and noticed that the site slowed me down to debian, at some point it happened when i said
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13:26<bw123>melo12: i would not tolerate gpu lockup that is so rude
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13:28<melo12>In plain words, gpu lockup is a gpu freeze?
13:31<bw123>melo12: imagine your brain is a gpu, and a program is a crossword puzzle, and one of the clues is just too hard
13:31<melo12>bw123 I not understand
13:32<bw123>yeh that was kind of dumb, anywa in plain language yeah it's a freeze
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13:34<melo12>bw123 If it should happen again what do you suggest me to do?
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13:35<bw123>melo12: if you can live with it, just reboot when it happens
13:36<bw123>or maybe just restart x
13:36<bw123>probably need a power off though
13:38<melo12>bw123 I had to press ctrl + alt + f1 to open a terminal, with which command close the ctrl + alt + f7 session and restart X?
13:40<bw123>some display managers can do this from the login menu
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13:41<bw123>melo12: anyway these are things you can figure out about your setup
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13:42<bw123>melo12: also some can be restarted from a tty with a command like service kdm restart or gdm3 or whatever, but look that up don't just type stuff
13:43<melo12>There is no menu, ctrl + alt + f1 opened a black terminal
13:43<bw123>black is good, black is your friend but you have to know what to do
13:44<melo12>I use lightDM
13:44<bw123>look it up
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13:45<bw123>melo12: i got to run but don't give up good luck
13:46<melo12>When i typed ctrl + alt + f1 I opened a terminal, from there I had to press ctrl + alt + canc to restart the machine. I wanted to know if I can only restart X without losing the session
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13:47<sney>'service gdm restart'
13:48<sney>or sddm, lightdm, etc
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13:51<melo12>sney With that command restart lightdm but i miss the windows open?
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13:52<sney>you can't restart X without losing the session, restarting X explicitly means creating a new session
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13:52<sney>some wm/de variants will reopen programs that you had open previously, I've seen kde do this among others
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13:57<annadane>i feel pretty much all the mainstream ones should
13:57<Walex>sney: indeed that's right: there is an X11 thing called "session management" where applications that support it send to the "session manager" their state, and when X restarts the session manager restarts those applications telling them which state they had. KDE has a session manager, and most KDE apps support it.
13:58<Walex>'man xsm'
13:58<Walex>'man xsm' for the "vanilla" one
13:58<sney>probably want to highlight melo12 since he was the one with the question
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14:02<annadane>if not there must be a package for it so you can do it manually
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14:04<melo12>sney ok, then restarting X will lose for example open firefox windows
14:04<sney>yes
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14:07<annadane>temporarily at least
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14:07<annadane>x is literally your GUI
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14:10<kernel-panic007>hello i get this error while i run apt-get update http://paste.debian.net/979988/ maybe is a public key messages
14:10<kernel-panic007>any help
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14:11<sney>google's repository is not officially supported
14:12<sney>delete /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list and the error will go away
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14:13<kernel-panic007>sney, that is the only solution? what about the upgrade of google-chrome??
14:13<sney>ask google, or use chromium
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14:15<kernel-panic007>sney, ok but there are others method to upgrade chrome like a deb or something
14:15<kernel-panic007>?
14:15<sney>if you download the deb from google.com/chrome it will upgrade over whatever you have installed
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14:17<kernel-panic007>sney, alright so i dont need that repos on my repos list?
14:17<sney>it doesn't seem to be working anyway
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14:18<kernel-panic007>ok
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14:19<n0rthlight>Simple one guys. Whats the difference between deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib non-free and the Jessie main ? Jessie would not update to the next stretch?
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14:20<dboles>jessie will always be jessie
14:20<n0rthlight>But atm they are the same correct until there is a new codename upgrade?
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14:21<maddog226>I thought there was a new code name
14:21<dboles>no, jessie is 8, stretch is 9
14:21<dboles>that will always be so
14:21<n0rthlight>Oh true.. Omg my bad.
14:21<dboles>new codename is buster
14:22<dboles>sid will always be unstable, but that's the exception that proves the rule :)
14:22<n0rthlight>Yeah I got confused install a virtual os that run on jessie.
14:22<n0rthlight>installing.
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14:23<n0rthlight>For a moment I believed I was on jessie.
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14:24<n0rthlight>Virtualbox is like multi-Paralel universe.
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14:24<maddog226>it does what says on the box
14:25<n0rthlight>Install windows 98 and tell me you dont fell back in the 90s :)
14:25<maddog226>nasty
14:25<n0rthlight>Haha
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14:26<n0rthlight>I started using webcrawler.com again when I did :P
14:26<maddog226>what's that a porn site :P
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14:27<maddog226>only joking :)
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14:27<n0rthlight>Haha
14:28<n0rthlight>However I does sound bad now indeed.
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14:29<maddog226>I was check what era I was in
14:29<maddog226>#cheking
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14:31<maddog226>got to be careful I hit the wrong key
14:32<n0rthlight>Gonna go install Netscape(:P) before they kick for mutliples subject use.
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14:33<maddog226>Haha
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14:35<maddog226>how are you finding Vbox
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14:52<n0rthlight>I really like it. It simple of use specially with the appliance.
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14:53<n0rthlight>I had some issue with Debian and my gpu and it was difficult to fix from a 1024x768 windows. I resolved them in a VM inside from Ubuntu first and installed Debian after with the found method
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14:55<maddog226>I had that trouble with my Nvidia card
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14:56<maddog226>I managed to fix it but not with Debian as my main
14:57<n0rthlight>What is your card?
14:57<maddog226>I now run Fedora 26
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14:57<maddog226>GTX970
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15:01<maddog226>I had the same issues with Fedora, I found a solution online and it worked
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15:04<Walex>maddog226: "I now run Fedora 26" in #Debian! :-)
15:05<maddog226>I VBOX Debian
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15:05<Walex>maddog226: cruel too :-)
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15:07<maddog226>makes perfect sense for me, I did try to set it up as my main but fell over trying to configure my Nvidia card
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15:10<n0rthlight>You on stretch?
15:10<n0rthlight>This guide worked for mw
15:10<n0rthlight>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22
15:10<n0rthlight>But I am pretty sure you tried it
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15:18<piper4>apt update && apt install nvidia-driver --install-recommends works well in sid :)
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15:20<maddog226>I have tried a similar guide but not for Debian, I found this after I succeeded with the other for Fedora, I will be going back to Debian as my main system soon and I will try it for Stretch
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15:20<piper4>GTX970 is my card also
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15:20<maddog226>does it piper4
15:21<maddog226>very interesting
15:21<maddog226>and no other configuratiuon required?
15:21<piper4>well, i use sid (unstable) no other config
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15:22<maddog226>cool
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15:22<piper4>it should work fine in stable
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15:38<d3d83at>piper4 whats wrong with SVGA non-scalar resolutions ?
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15:40<d3d83at>although, i could always take the "why would you want high end graphics in linux" approach --- a lot of people seem to have the take that the solution to a problem is to not do the thing which is causing you the problem ,and to do it the way that "everybody" else does , because it's better.... why ? because "everybody" does it, so it must be better right ?
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15:41<d3d83at>personally, i disagree with any distribution of a point & click UI that does a very poor job at mimicking windows/apple -- when Linux's power is the command line .... sort of lol
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15:41<rob_debian>Hi all, I'm trying to install eclipse in Debian Stretch 9.1, and after following all the previous procedures, I'm facing this phase, but don't know how to install ii, according these options: http://imgur.com/a/F73G5
15:42<rob_debian>Please, anyone can help me on this. thank you !!
15:42<d3d83at>even DOS could render game graphics, but the Linux console thus-far, has never achieved that -- forcing X on you to start the game instead lol
15:42<d3d83at>eclipse = java = your problem
15:42<dboles>rob_debian: what is "ii" ?
15:43<d3d83at>:)
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15:43<rob_debian>Hi dboles, I really don't know... ii ?
15:43<dboles>rob_debian: you said it yourself: "I'm facing this phase, but don't know how to install ii, according these options"
15:44<d3d83at>ps -- rob_debian, eclipse is installed already from that screenshot
15:44<dboles>if you meant "it", then it is already installed, and i don't see what the problem is
15:44<rob_debian>d3d83at - apt-get install openjdk-8-jre openjdk-8-jdk
15:44<rob_debian>- already installed here
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15:44<d3d83at>eclipse wouldn't even start without Oracle Java installed
15:45<d3d83at>aka --- java/jre/openjre/openjdk
15:45<rob_debian>oh, d3d83at, sorry, I meant: but don't know how to install it.
15:45<dboles>It is open on your screen
15:45<dboles>Therefore it is installed
15:45<dboles>What do you think the problem is?
15:46<rob_debian>well, dboles, I'm feeling quite stupid about it, I thought it was to be installed, I thought the installation process hasn't finished yet
15:46<dboles>:)
15:46<d3d83at>i think you have been looking at getting started guides saying -- hey ... Java is this awesome language, and Eclipse is the MOST AMAZING IDE TO WORK WITH EVER --- thus, it is now installed, and you see how boring and not like what the claims are
15:47<dboles>now is the boring bit, where you have to use it to write code :)
15:47<d3d83at>in the not-so famous words of Linus Torvalds (creator of the Linux kernel) ---- "Java, is a horrible language"
15:47<dboles>yeah ok, i am no java user, but let's not start a language war here
15:47<dboles>we get that you don't like it
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15:47<rob_debian>yes, d3d83at I see
15:48<d3d83at>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa55RKWZxxI
15:48<d3d83at>^ Linus Torvalds at an Oracle meeting :)
15:48<rob_debian>sorry dboles and d3d83at, I think I need an aspirin here :(
15:48<rob_debian>sorry for attention and great support !
15:48<dboles>rob_debian: no worries, it's better to check if you're not sure :D
15:49<d3d83at>not a problem. that is what Eclipse is ... from there, you make your project and start writing crappy applications that are slow and buggy and memory hogs :)
15:50<rob_debian>yes dboles, but I believe in your analysis, surely it's better than mine here !
15:50<dboles>or you could use C like Linus, but then you'd better make sure you write all the 2349824823 free()s you need, otherwise you get the same result...
15:50<d3d83at>so happy Adobe is finally nuking flash --- one down, one to go .....
15:50<dboles>*ahem* or you could use C++ and (after spending a year steeling yourself against template errors and undefined behaviour) get something like C, but with RAII \o/
15:51<rob_debian>yeah d3d83at, I'm obligated to install it because of SAP AS 7.5 Trial requirement. it's quite easy to install it in ubuntu 10.04 lts (arrrgh), but I want it installed on Debian, not ubuntu...
15:51<rob_debian>correction: ubuntu 16.04 lts
15:51<d3d83at>i had to install java on a box because --- Jekins requires it lol
15:52<rob_debian>oh, probably you hated that too....
15:52<d3d83at>some applications are super cool -- but..... they chose java as it's engine.
15:52<rob_debian>I see, and java has invaded SAP universe too. ABAP is dying...
15:52<d3d83at>look how much faster Minecraft runs once microsoft ported it from Java to C :)
15:54<d3d83at>java also requires updating, the language changes way too much while allowing the old stuff to "work" in a broken state --- too many issues. my one boss <3's java -- he can keep it :)
15:55<d3d83at>sec while i dig up the instructions to install java on debian -- pretty sure you just add sid repo, and install through apt -- which is likely what you did since eclipse is running
15:55<rob_debian>please dboles and d3d83at, in the section 'Running Eclipse'. so it's installed already, like you said dboles and d3d83at ? https://linuxconfig.org/install-the-latest-eclipse-java-ide-on-debian-8-and-ubuntu-16-04-linux
15:55<d3d83at>eclipse running means java is installed. -- else eclipse won't even open
15:55<d3d83at>at command line, type `which java`
15:55<rob_debian>fine, d3d83at ! :)
15:56<rob_debian>as normal user ?
15:56<dboles>rob_debian: that is how to run if, if it's not already running, but yours was
15:56<d3d83at>and `java -version`
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15:56<d3d83at>yes, those commands shouldn't require sudo
15:57<rob_debian>strange, trying to paste you the information here
15:57<d3d83at>obviously push enter after the command
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15:58<d3d83at>`which` will tell you where the package installed that binary
15:58<jmcnaught>,eclipse
15:58<jmcnaught>,v eclipse
15:58<judd>Package: eclipse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-7; sid: 3.8.1-8; buster: 3.8.1-10; stretch: 3.8.1-10; sid: 3.8.1-10
15:58<rob_debian>Please, dboles and d3d83at - https://paste.debian.net/980003/
15:58<d3d83at>`java -version` will tell you what version it is. --- between the two commands you should be able to confirm that something is installed :)
15:59<jmcnaught>heh i guess that's not the most recent, but that's going to be the easiest way to try eclipse
15:59<rob_debian>so, it's in /usr/bin/java directory
16:00<rob_debian>fine jmcnaught, thanks for information !
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16:02<rob_debian>openjdk version "1.8.0_141"
16:02<piper4>d3d83at: whats the major malfuntion ?
16:02<rob_debian>d3d83at, the output of 'java -version' command. thanks for that !
16:02<d3d83at>"The reason Java will never die is because of legacy codebases" roflmao .... just read that quote !! kind of true. implies that it's usefulness extends only to running outdated crap that should be rewritten in a better language or already has an alternative.
16:03<d3d83at>rob_debian: no problem :)
16:03<rob_debian>I see d3d83at, that's why java is so important in SAP tools
16:03<d3d83at>piper4: kybread is not tpinyg crrocetly
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16:03<rob_debian>even on their ERP, more or less about 45% written in java, not abap/4
16:03<piper4>whats wrong with SVGA non-scalar resolutions ? it doesn't play crysis, or witcher 3
16:04*piper4 ignores back on the side
16:05<d3d83at>nothing, except the linux console isn't even capable of that yet -- while DOS was. didn't need windows to play, i dunno... Doom, Quake ....
16:05<d3d83at>piper4: just a bit dissapointed that decades later, and we are still no further ahead graphically from the console side of things -- we have X ... which is bloated garbage
16:05<piper4>well i have no problem playing witcher 3 in linux
16:06<d3d83at>uninstall your desktop, and try
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16:06<jcrain>dos has no memory protection. of course you can do graphics if you can write directly to the video buffer.
16:06<piper4>d3d83at: why the fsck would i want to
16:06<jcrain>the linux equivalent would be some framebuffer device i suppose
16:06<d3d83at>heck ... we had command line Image viewers and video players in DOS ... no windows interface required
16:07<d3d83at>there is nothing even remotely close to that for linux
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16:08<d3d83at>we have stuff like ncurses --- to draw boxes :) we had that for years. it was nice it was ported from DOS for basic interface drawing, but the encoding is wacky -- not true boxes like the DOS based ncurses
16:09<piper4>d3d83at: maybe you should have a beer, have no clue to what your trying to say, coming from the days before microsoft existed, i really don't care
16:09<d3d83at>LOL
16:10<piper4>hell, bb was great, web browsers didn't exist
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16:13<d3d83at>piper4: this is what i am trying to say http://www.myabandonware.com/game/jazz-jackrabbit-2bf on DOS -- no windows. run from command. show me a single application that actually draws even a single image to the screen from console that doesn't require some bloated dependancy on a windows equivalent (aka X)
16:14<d3d83at>if you truly want linux for gaming --- wouldn't it make sense to shake the overhead of a gui ?
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16:17<d3d83at>( this isn't specific to debian ... this is in general. ) originally, people did start writing pseudo visual interfaces for some things like IRC clients, and mail. even Lynx. but then, nothing since X -- people just keep piling garbage onto that thing which was really more of a proof of concept ( X itself is just a bootstrap into a core windows emulation with X as the cursor on a gray background)
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16:21<rob_debian>Please, I have to create the desktop file, cd into .local/share/applications in your home directory.
16:22<rob_debian>I created a share and applications directories, but $ cd ~/.local/share/applications
16:22<rob_debian> didn't work here
16:22<annadane>!doesn't work
16:22<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
16:22<rob_debian>bash: cd: /home/r4fkramer/.local/share/applications: No such file or directory
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16:23<rob_debian>sorry for that, annadane !
16:23<jcrain>rob_debian: then you didn't create it
16:23<annadane>rob_debian, mkdir
16:23<rob_debian>hi jcrain, yes, I used mkdir
16:23<rob_debian>for share and applications
16:24<jcrain>rob_debian: your mkdir did not do what you expected
16:24<annadane>rob_debian, type history and give us the command you used
16:25<rob_debian>ok, jcrain and annadane, just one moment, please
16:25<annadane>i assume you used mkdir as root
16:25<annadane>so you'd have to use history as root
16:26<rob_debian>oh, ok
16:27<rob_debian>used it wrongly here, as normal user: https://paste.debian.net/980006/
16:27<annadane>yeah, you need to be root
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16:27<annadane>otherwise anyone could make directories willy nilly
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16:27<rob_debian>sorry, my 5 years old son had visited my laptop here
16:27<jmcnaught>you do *not* need to be root to make directories in your own ~
16:27<jcrain>you don't need to be root to run mkdir in your own home directory
16:28<annadane>oh
16:28<jcrain>i'm guessing that maybe you needed 'mkdir -p' to create the entire path
16:28<rob_debian>annadane, as root: https://paste.debian.net/980007/
16:29<annadane>rob_debian, you used mkdir .local mkdir share and mkdir applications on 3 seperate lines
16:29<annadane>just mkdir ~/.local/share/applications
16:30<rob_debian>oh god ! thanks for that, annadane !
16:30<annadane>so you now have 3 directories in your home folder called ".local" "share" and "applicatons"
16:30<annadane>but yes you don't need to be root for that, sorry.
16:31<rob_debian>that's why I couldn't find them correctly, they weren't created correctly. thank you very much for Great Support, annadane, jcrain and jmcnaught !!
16:33<rob_debian>in fact, I really need 'Debian Administrator's Handbook' - printed version
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16:35<annadane>always a good idea to know the syntax of commands before actually doing them
16:36<rob_debian>yes, annadane, this elementary phase should be known here, sorry for that :( and thanks for patience and Great Support !
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16:38<Wyzard>Is there a Debian package that contains the GPG key used for signing the release ISO images (e.g. iso-cd/SHA512SUMS.sign)? I have both debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring installed, but neither seems to contain the release signing key.
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16:40<Wyzard>Those files are probably the most common things for a Debian user to want to verify manually, so I'd be surprised if the key wasn't packaged somewhere.
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16:42<d3d83at>Wyzard: the most common files I verify are my logs lol
16:42<Wyzard>(I know about the Debian keyserver and I can download the CD signing key manually into my own personal keyring, but if I'm concerned that my ISO download might have been tampered with, downloading the key doesn't seem any more trustworthy. It makes more sense to have a chain of trust that goes through the apt keyring on my existing Debian system.)
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16:43<d3d83at>"tampered" -- you mean the result of mostly random contributions that are only briefly "verified" by other random people ?
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16:44<Wyzard>I know
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16:44<Wyzard>but still, Debian signs things with GPG, and provides packages with (most of?) the signing keys
16:44<d3d83at>heh --- i really wish that OS's of today would have developed on the foundation by Commodore instead of IBM
16:45<Wyzard>It'd be weird if there's no package you can install on one Debian system that provides the GPG key needed to verify downloads of other Debian releases.
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16:46<d3d83at>Wyzard: i believe it is a requirement. or at least you need to be superhuman with the console to override the security to install unsigned packages
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17:00<Linked>hi guys, just a short question: I'm currently running a server with Debian 7.11 LTS. Because of update reasons, I'm requiered to have open-jdk-8 installed. Is this somehow possible with 7 or am I doomed ?
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17:02<petn-randall>,v open-jdk-8
17:02<judd>No package named 'open-jdk-8' was found in amd64.
17:03<sney>oldest was in jessie-backports
17:03<petn-randall>,v openjdk-8-jre
17:03<judd>Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u131-b11-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u131-b11-2; stretch-security: 8u141-b15-1~deb9u1; buster: 8u141-b15-3; sid: 8u141-b15-3
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17:03<petn-randall>Linked: You could upgrade to jessie, and get it from jessie-backports.
17:04<Linked>ok, so i'm doomed i guess :D
17:05<Linked>what would happen if I add jessie-backports to apt.list in wheezy ?
17:05<sney>frankendebian and dependency problems
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17:06<Linked>,v openjdk-8-jre-headless
17:06<judd>Package: openjdk-8-jre-headless on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u131-b11-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u131-b11-2; stretch-security: 8u141-b15-1~deb9u1; buster: 8u141-b15-3; sid: 8u141-b15-3
17:06<Linked>thats kinda usefull thx for the hint
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17:06<sney>I can't believe I'm suggesting this, but I bet oracle has a java 8 binary that would work
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17:06<sney>dpkg: java-package
17:06<dpkg>java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>.
17:07<petn-randall>Linked: What is stopping you from upgrading to jessie?
17:07<sney>I know from experience that oracle java 8 is supported by java-package.
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17:10<Linked>petn-randall: it's totally not scheduled right now to perform an upgrade. server is serving some other services (doh) which i don't want to be interrupted. I would start from scratch and setup a whole new OS with current stable to be up2date
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17:11<rob_debian>I must go now, thanks for all Great Debian Warriors here ! You are the Best !!! :)
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17:12<annadane>now i want a badge with "debian warrior" on it
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17:13<Linked>sney: i honestly don't know how to handle these info about the java-package. but i'm reading from it that it's impossible to install openjdk-8 on wheezy right ?
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17:14<sney>Linked: correct. java-package would be used to install oracle java 8 instead.
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17:16<Linked>sney: thanks, would this method mess around with the behaviour of the currently installed openjkd-7 ?
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17:18<sney>no, you can have multiple java instances in one debian system, and control which is default via java alternatives
17:18<Jan\>live cd boot works but doesn't display anything after the initial screen
17:19<guilherme>why libpam-usb lacks on Debian 9.1?
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17:21<judd>Package: libpam-usb on amd64 -- jessie: 0.5.0-4; wheezy: 0.5.0-4
17:21<petn-randall>guilherme: It likely got superceded by something else, or it is simply not maintained anymore.
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17:22<guilherme>ok, thanks
17:23<Linked>sney: ok i guess i'm giving it a try thx
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17:26<Linked>sney: ok i've just failed at getting it, according to debians wiki, it should be "aptable" by adding the contrib component, but apt-searching for it after adding the contrib doesn't result in the package being found
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17:29<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Trying to get Private Insternet Access vpn going. When I run ./pia* command it prompts me for the sudo command of my user. Of course the root password doesn't work. And it won't let me execute with root priveleges. Is there something I am missing here?
17:29<sney>remember to apt-get update after editing sources.list
17:29<Linked>yeah, did this
17:31<sney>can you paste your sources.list and the output of the command you are running to http://paste.debian.net/ and link here?
17:31<petn-randall>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: What is ./pia* and where does it come from?
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17:31<sney>I think that's the private internet access openvpn client wrapper thingie
17:32<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>./pia-v72-installer-linux.sh
17:32<Linked>just found it, accidently added it to the "updates"
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17:34<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/downloads
17:34<petn-randall>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: Ask their support?
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17:35<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>The instructions are here: https://helpdesk.privateinternetaccess.com/hc/en-us/articles/219438217-Installing-the-PIA-App-on-Linux
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17:35<MASL>holA
17:36<Linked>sney: I'll try this: "server-jre-8u144-linux-x64.tar.gz" because from my inner feelings this is the closest to openjdk-jre-headless, would you do too ? :p
17:36<jmcnaught>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: last I tried you can use their openvpn service without their application, either with network-manager-openvpn or the openvpn package's openvpn@.service
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17:38<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I have already downloaded the software. I might as well install if it is possible.
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17:39<jmcnaught>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: go for it, but you'll need to ask PIA why their program doesn't work #debian doesn't know
17:40<sney>Linked: yes that sounds like the correct one
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17:40<sney>PIA is just a preconfigured openvpn client, IIRC they also have instructions to configure your own openvpn client
17:41<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Shouldn't a fix apply to all .sh files?
17:41<sney>a .sh file is just a script, a series of shell commands
17:41<jcrain>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: what fix? you don't know what's wrong with it.
17:41<jmcnaught>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: sudo wants your user's password, not root's password
17:42<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I already tried. Said that user is not a sudoer and it will be reported.
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17:43<jcrain>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: are you in the 'sudo' group?
17:43<jmcnaught>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: you can add a user to the sudo group with 'adduser username sudo' and then have the user logout and login. But running that installer script is at your own risk
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17:45<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Maybe I will install openvpn and go from there.
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17:48<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Also want to get tap click to work on a laptop with xfce.
17:48<Linked>sney: can't interprete this https://paste.debian.net/980022/ success or failure ?
17:49<jmcnaught>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: xfce I think uses nm-applet from NetworkManager, so try installing the network-manager-openvpn-gnome package to be able to add VPNs through NM
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17:52<sney>Linked: that is a little vague. is there a .deb in your working directory that wasn't there before?
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17:55<Linked>sney: it's just the tar.gz file there
17:56<sney>ok, seems like failure. bummer. no java 8 for your debian 7 system
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17:58<jmcnaught>Linked: are you using the java-package from wheezy-backports?
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18:00<jmcnaught>java-package in wheezy-backports mentions java 8 in its description, java-package in wheezy does not
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18:03<n0rthlight>How many port should be listening after a fresh install? (Ballpark stats)
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18:05<sney>depends on what you installed
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18:06<n0rthlight>Nothing its is Router, Keyboard, mouse, Lcd.
18:06<Linked>jmcnaught: thx for the info, i'm using just the wheezy repo, will try it with backports. thx !
18:06<n0rthlight>No Bluetooth no wifi
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18:07<sney>I mean, what tasks you selected in the debian installer. print server is selected by default, for instance, and that would listen on port 631
18:08<n0rthlight>Yeah I saw that on the netinstaller however it does not work here for some reason
18:08<n0rthlight>This is from the live iso.
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18:08<n0rthlight>So I suppose printer should be on automatically right?
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18:09<sney>!doesnt work
18:09<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
18:09<n0rthlight>:P
18:10<jcrain>n0rthlight: when i've done a gnome desktop only install, i don't have anything listening, at least not on a public address
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18:10<n0rthlight>Thank you.
18:11<n0rthlight>I toughts my count was low.
18:11<n0rthlight>tough
18:11<Linked>,v java-package
18:11<judd>Package: java-package on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.53~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.56; buster/contrib: 0.62; sid/contrib: 0.62; stretch/contrib: 0.62
18:12<n0rthlight>I am surprised to see the printer port off.
18:13<n0rthlight>Since I supposed it was installed by default with the live iso.
18:13<Linked>ok, java-package 0.53 gets me further, but still errors: https://paste.debian.net/980025/
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18:15<Linked>looks like it's trying to unzip the .tar.gz file and fails ?
18:18<Linked>gzip -V: gzip 1.5
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18:18<sney>gzip is gzip. it's trying to decompress something from stdin, which I would guess is something special in the oracle installer
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18:22<bffrhhh>cool http://522w4vs2zirnav6z.onion/amniotic-candle
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18:28<Linked>i'Ve tried to manually unpacking it with tar -xvzj and getting the same error. i also tried redownloading the file but that neither changed the behaviour
18:29<jcrain>where did you get the file from?
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18:29<jmcnaught>Linked: tar -j is the same as --bzip2
18:29<Linked>wget http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/8u144-b01/090f390dda5b47b9b721c7dfaa008135/server-jre-8u144-linux-x64.tar.gz
18:32<Linked>jmcnaught: thx, was a typo in irc but not in bash, tar -xvzf threw "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format"
18:33<jcrain>Linked: make sure it's not an html file. I think oracle is doing something with cookies or redirections or logins.
18:33<jmcnaught>Linked: does oracle provide hashsums? does "gunzip server-jre…tar.gz" work?
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18:36<agaida>Linked: tar xf should work
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18:37<Linked>the file was altered somehow by wget, i've downloaded it through firefox and scp'd it to the server, runs now
18:38<agaida>:)
18:39<Linked>oh god why https://paste.debian.net/980028/
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18:46<jcrain>Linked: do you have libxrender1 installed?
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18:49<Linked>oh man, my brain entered patato mode, outfile wasn't written due to denied persmission
18:49<Linked>The Debian package has been created in the current directory.
18:49<Linked>You can install the package as root with:
18:49<Linked> dpkg -i oracle-java8-jre_8u144_amd64.deb
18:49*dpkg removes a speen from linked and replaces it with oracle-java8-jre_8u144_amd64.deb
18:52<annadane>calm down there, dpkg
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18:53<Linked>ok, it's finally installed, but how do i locate the path to make it do fancy java 8 stuff with my juicy .jar files ?
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18:54<agaida>Linked: take it with a grain of salt - but there are know working wrapper packages @webupd8
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18:59<jmcnaught>Linked: look at update-java-alternatives(8)
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19:00<jmcnaught>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ is probably also worth a quick look
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19:01<Linked>zomfg wtf it's working finally
19:02<Linked>thx for the support you're awesome
19:02<Linked>all of you
19:02<Linked>but especially sney who came up with the initial idea
19:02<sney>np
19:03<Linked>sir, you a truely awesome thx so much
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19:06<Linked>absolutely deserved
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19:52<Linked>,v openjdk-8-headless-jre
19:52<judd>No package named 'openjdk-8-headless-jre' was found in amd64.
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19:53<judd>Package: openjdk-8-jre-headless on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u131-b11-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u131-b11-2; stretch-security: 8u141-b15-1~deb9u1; buster: 8u141-b15-3; sid: 8u141-b15-3
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20:32<jmcnaught>Linked: you can also /msg judd
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21:04<dboles>hi,
21:04<dboles>!ask
21:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:12<Victor_Queiroz>I can't install linux headers on my debian sid, I get a few conflicts. Can somebody help me?
21:12<jmcnaught>Victor_Queiroz: sid support is in #debian-next
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21:15<heini>Zc
21:15<heini>sry
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22:00<floky>hi
22:01<annadane>hi, floky. question?
22:02<floky>yes
22:02<floky>one
22:02<floky>i have setup a lamp server i have given the righ read write.
22:02<floky>but i still can't create or paste any file from ftp
22:02<floky>only view them
22:02<floky>debian 8
22:03<petn-randall>!ftp must die
22:03<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html . The Debian project will cease offering mirrors via FTP on 2017-11-01 https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425
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22:05<floky>but ftp is what i need to use
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22:06<jcrain>does apache support writing to ftp?
22:06<floky>don't know if i enabled it. min
22:06<floky>in the conf file ?
22:07<petn-randall>floky: Why do you need to use ftp?
22:07<floky>what i should use if ftp is outdated and unsecure
22:08<petn-randall>floky: sftp
22:08<floky>that what i have installed
22:08<petn-randall>floky: What do you have installed?
22:08<floky>followed a tuto sftp apache2 php5 php-sql
22:09<floky>i want to use filezila on windows to work on file on debian server
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22:10<petn-randall>floky: There is no 'sftp' package. What did you install *exactly*?
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22:12<floky>min will go see on the tuto
22:13<floky>wich package
22:13<floky>vsftpd
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22:14<petn-randall>floky: That is a FTP server. I recommend using sftp.
22:15<petn-randall>floky: You'll end up using the same tools, but having them transport encrypted, and not have problems with firewalls.
22:15<petn-randall>(gotta dash, see you around)
22:16<sney>iirc, openssh-sftp-server gets pulled in along with openssh-server so most debian systems have it already
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22:17<coruja>!sshfs
22:17<dpkg>sshfs is a <FUSE>-based filesystem using <SSH> for securely mounting remote resources. See http://fuse.sf.net/sshfs.html and http://sf.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse?title=SshfsFaq for more information. Remember to add yourself to the 'fuse' group. If you have problems with stale sshfs mounts, set ServerAliveInterval 30 (for 30 seconds) in /etc/ssh/ssh_config or ~/.ssh/config.
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22:21<floky>thx will try
22:21<floky>got to go. will come back tell you the result
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22:25<hubot>How can I redirect all network traffic through Tor?
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22:29<sney>default routes
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23:34<likcoras>Eh, how would default routes help? You'd still need to wrap it in whatever tor does.
23:38<likcoras>Even tails doesn't route everything like that, just blocks all traffic except through onion routes routes. (I think)
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