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02:44<Guest1862>i have been trying to make a home router from a debian box. i set it to have a static ip address on enp2s0 which is my lan adapter. then i plug a computer to that adapter and set that computer an ip of the same subnet. i am not able to ping neither way. what could be wrong?
02:45<grawity>does `ethtool ...` (or `mii-tool -v ...` for old drivers) show the link being up?
02:45<grawity>does `ip route get <other_ip>` pick the correct interface?
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02:47<Guest1862>grawity: the link is up. from the ip route get command i get this:
02:47<Guest1862>192.168.2.100 dev enp2s0 src 192.168.2.1
02:47<Guest1862> cache
02:48<grawity>what does the other computer show?
02:48<Guest1862>when doing this on the router for the client
02:48<Guest1862>it shows the same but opposite and for eth0
02:49<grawity>can you arping the hosts? or, when you do a regular ping, does `ip neigh` show the host as reachable?
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02:49<grawity>also in both directions
02:51<Guest1862>ip neigh fails and arping hangs, need to ctrl-c it.
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02:51<Guest1862>sent X received 0 for arping
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02:53<grawity>does `tcpdump -e -n -i eth0` show any incoming ARP requests?
02:53<grawity>does ethtool show full-duplex and reasonable link speed?
02:53<Guest1862>on the client host?
02:54<grawity>on both
02:54<grawity>well, tcpdump on the host you're trying to ping, but again, I'd check in both directions
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02:56<Guest1862>tcpdump does capture arp who-has requests when i ping the router and run tcpdump on the client. i get destination host unreachable when pinging
02:57<Guest1862>ethtool shoes full duplex and a gigabit speed
02:57<Guest1862>shows
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03:04<Guest1862>grawity: any other ideas?
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03:07<jm_>does tcpdump on router show ARP request sent on client too?
03:08<Guest1862>jm_: yes
03:08<Guest1862>but they do not arrive to the destination
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03:09<grawity>I thought the client *is* the destination
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03:10<jm_>Guest1862: do you see them on both if you run tcpdump on the router and on the client?
03:11<Guest1862>grawity: well the router sends arp who-has to the destination which is the client. the client sends arp who has to the router which is then the destination
03:11<Guest1862>jm_: nope :/
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03:15<Guest1862>but what should be the gateway of the lan interface of the router? does it matter in this communication between a lan host and the router?
03:16<grawity>communication within a subnet *by definition* does not go through a gateway
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03:16<Guest1862>currently my lan interface address is 192.168.2.1 and so is for the lan interface gateway
03:16<grawity>huh?
03:17<grawity>could you please show the full output of `ip addr` and `ip route` on both hosts?
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03:20<Guest1862>grawity: a moment
03:25<Guest1862>grawity: would take time to do the same for client. this is for router: https://paste.null-life.com/#/sDCf4/8XU0QClFe/D7CPEPmcqQxc+fVLQ9BUVM/uRpdYDPqrJp2r+DQ0
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03:51<Guest1862>grawity: did you see it?
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03:51<grawity>no, only noticed it now
03:51<grawity>or rather, noticed how fast it has expired
03:52<Guest1862>grawity: https://paste.null-life.com/#/CS1CBc9acVUBFc/tedI76IREklglrU+6Q2dGqEDP6SjbaQ2yoxPPyKQ0
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03:53<grawity>that part looks fine
03:53<grawity>if you can't pastebin from the other host, post a photo or something
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03:53<grawity>or, well, I'd expect it to list route "192.168.2.0/24 via eth0" and optionally "default via 192.168.2.1"
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03:55<Guest1862>yes
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03:55<Guest1862>and ip addr says inet is 192.168.2.100/24
03:56<grawity>hrmm
03:56<grawity>does it only have eth0?
03:56<Guest1862>it has several others too. usb0 and wlan0
03:56<Guest1862>they are not connected
03:56<Guest1862>i mean, they are DOWN
03:57<grawity>do they have addresses configured though? are there any routes for those interfaces?
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03:58<grawity>well, I'm curious, if the client runs `ping -b -I eth0 255.255.255.255` or `ping ff02::1%eth0` – a broadcast ping – does *that* reach the router?
03:58<grawity>oh, is it a regular cable, or some kind of crossover?
03:58<Guest1862>no routes and for wlan0 it says no-carrier and also the broadcast,multicast,UP. whoa. but state is DOWN.
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03:59<grawity>in <flags>, UP means administrative state (enabled) and LOWER_UP means operational state (has carrier)
03:59<grawity>(NO-CARRIER is mostly the opposite of the latter)
03:59<grawity>"state DOWN" also shows the operational state
03:59<grawity>i.e. it's enabled but disconnected
03:59<grawity>well, fine either way
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04:00<Guest1862>grawity: how do i determine if the cable is crossover?
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04:00<Guest1862>the first ping command does not reach the router
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04:01<grawity>hmm look at the wire colors on both ends, I guess?
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04:01<grawity>should be identical on both
04:01<Guest1862>because i am using a cable which came with my router for the configuration ...
04:02<Guest1862>(other router)
04:02<grawity>I've heard of situations where the network cards manage to *negotiate* gigabit mode, but can't actually transfer any data due to the cable being junk
04:03<Guest1862>the cable worked with the other router. going to try another cable soon
04:04<grawity>e.g. crossover cables (with swapped pairs), and/or 4-wire cables (instead of full 8-wire), might cause problems
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04:16<Guest1862>grawity: doesn't work with another cable. this is strange.
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04:17<Guest1862>grawity: i have dnsmasq but it stopped on the router as i am using static ip. iptables rules should be ok but of those i am not sure.
04:18<jm_>iptables shouldn't matter if you don't even see arp requests
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04:19<Guest1862>hm
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05:04<Guest1865>grawity: this is a strange issue. little more information: when i do nc 192.168.2.1 22 i get no route to host
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05:10<duclicsic>Guest1865: well do you have a route for that address? 'ip route get 192.168.2.1'
05:11<Guest1865>i think so. output is 192.168.2.1 dev eth0 src 102.168.2.100 cache
05:12<Guest1865>*192
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05:12<duclicsic>bear in mind that if you have a default route set it will just show that
05:12<duclicsic>but in this case that looks ok
05:12<duclicsic>so nc is lying
05:13<duclicsic>'arping 192.168.2.1' ?
05:13<Guest1865>Received 0 responses
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05:14<duclicsic>are these hosts connected by a switch?
05:14<Guest1865>no, straight from nic to nic
05:14<duclicsic>link lights are on?
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05:15<duclicsic>also what sort of device is 192.168.2.1?
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05:15<Guest1865>going to check the lights soon. the device is a computer with debian stretch
05:15<duclicsic>ok, presumably you get similar results trying to talk to 192.168.2.100 from that?
05:16<Guest1865>yup
05:16<duclicsic>both have the same netmask configured right?
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05:16<Guest1865>the router's link light is red. not sure if it is its natural color
05:16<Guest1865>same netmask yes
05:16<duclicsic> /24 presumably
05:17<Guest1865>for the client the link light is green
05:18<duclicsic>ok i'd run 'ethtool <interface>' as root on each end and check what they're negotiating at, if at all
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05:18<duclicsic>ideally you'd see:
05:18<duclicsic> Speed: 1000Mb/s
05:18<duclicsic> Duplex: Full
05:18<duclicsic>half way down the output
05:18<Guest1865>i see those lines on both machines
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05:19<duclicsic>right.. and you've tried a different cable?
05:19<Guest1865>yes i tried earlier
05:20<duclicsic>do you have a 3rd device you can connect in place of one of these?
05:21<Guest1865>not one which has rj45
05:21<duclicsic>i'd try running tcpdump on the router side while you attempt to arp for it
05:21<duclicsic>see if the arps are even arriving
05:21<Guest1865>did that, arp requests doesn't go through
05:21<duclicsic>you see no frames arrive at all?
05:21<Guest1865>that's right
05:22<Guest1865>is see them going but not arriving
05:22<duclicsic>and this is just a straight-through patch lead?
05:22<Guest1865>what is that?
05:23<duclicsic>ethernet cable
05:23<Guest1865>utp gigabit patch cable verified
05:23<Guest1865>cat6
05:24<duclicsic>if the frames are not getting to the other end i'd have to suspect they're not really making it out onto the wire
05:24<duclicsic>so the issue is not with the router
05:24<duclicsic>or the cable
05:25<Guest1865>what it could be then?
05:25<duclicsic>something local on that machine interfering with the sending of these arps and who knows what else
05:26<duclicsic>ever messed around with something like ebtables?
05:26<Guest1865>only iptables
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05:26<duclicsic>and this machine has previously been connected to a different router that worked fine?
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05:27<Guest1865>yes the client has worked fine with a commercial router
05:27<duclicsic>if so, did that previous router have the same IP? didn't set up static arp entries by any chance?
05:28<duclicsic>anything in 'ip neigh list' ?
05:30<Guest1865>ip neigh list tells: 192.168.2.1 dev eth0 FAILED. this is on the clien (.100)
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05:31<duclicsic>ok i'm pretty stumped there, i'd try manually setting speed/duplex on the adaptors and disabling autoneg
05:32<Guest1865>what does that failed mean? what actually failed?
05:32<duclicsic>failed to get an arp response
05:32<Guest1865>ok
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05:33<Guest1865>could it be some setting in bios or what is it called nowdays, uefi?
05:33<duclicsic>doubtful
05:34<duclicsic>try running 'ethtool -s <interface> speed 100 duplex full autoneg off' on both machines
05:34<duclicsic>can try 1000 for the speed also if you want
05:35<duclicsic>then try arps and such again
05:36<duclicsic>brb
05:37<Guest1865>ok
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05:38<kzar>annadane: I did try running lsusb
05:39<kzar>annadane: (Sorry, hit enter by mistake.) I did try running lsusb after some online discussions I found suggested it might help. No luck there unfortunately, it didn't work for me.
05:39<Guest1865>duclicsic: i did those and did not help. i changed the ip addresses of the adapters to the 10 network to be sure that no static arps are present. i still get ip neigh list FAILED
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05:48<Guest1865>duclicsic: i will be afk soon. if you are interested in this topic we could discuss it later. i want to get this thing working. thanks so far for your time.
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06:50<arkonten>hi! I'm running Debian Sid, and a while ago an `apt upgrade` broke python3 for me. now when I try to (re)install any python3 package both the prerm (since it calls py3clean) and postinst (since it calls e.g. py3compile) fail, since they use python3. how can I get python3 working again without a working python3?
06:51<arkonten>for the record, the error I get when starting python3 is: http://paste.debian.net/980572/
06:57<jm_>try #debian-next
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07:15<User1865>duclicsic: hello
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07:18<User1865>i have narrowed down the problem to my other nic and the router's operating system, this is how it goes: when i try to get an ip address with the router's debian strecth, it does not give me an address even with dhcp. i tried the same nic with other os from live usb stick and the nic got an address. so the nic is working. but there is some issue with the router
07:19<User1865>grawity: i tag you also for being involed with this issues for such a long time earlier, thanks for that.
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07:22<User1865>and the other nic is working also. i am able to ping between router and client when i changed the nic port on the router for the client.
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07:29<pavi[m]>Does anyone know a simple way from commandline to make hotspot. My friend had it working on jessie. Its no more working on stretch.
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07:29<pavi[m]>The card number is Atheros AR9485
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07:36<johny>hi!
07:37<johny>i'm installing debian. should i choose encryption key "password" or "random key"?
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07:37<johny>i need setup manually encrypted lvm
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07:48<pavi[m]>johny: go for password for simplicity.
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07:55<johny>Should I choose xts-plain64, cbc-essiv:sha256, cbc-plain, plain or ecb IV algorithm?
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07:56<jelly-hme>if you don't know, use the default?
07:56<grawity>those are already sorted by recommended preference
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08:01<pavi[m]>choose the default one or read up on those algorithms
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08:02<pavi[m]>johny: here is one guide, maybe it can help you. Its a bit old but should work https://xo.tc/setting-up-full-disk-encryption-on-debian-jessie.html
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08:56<user0>I think I have blew up my $HOME/.gnupg, where to find the "original"?
08:58<grove>What original? There is no .gnupg in any users home directory on a fresh clean Debian installation
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09:04<user0>I have a /home/user0/.gnupg/.gnupg/gpg.conf, is that right with double "/.gnupg" in the path?
09:05<user0>grove:
09:05<user0>grove: OK, then the one I get with #apt install gnupg gpg
09:05<grove>user0: It's unusual, but if that's how you've configured gpg it's right
09:07<user0>I have problems with my #apt update, where the "public key is not available":https://paste.debian.net/980589
09:07<grove>There's no package called gpg so that will cause an error, but like any other Debian package gnupg should not put anything in any user's home directory.
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09:08<user0>I guess, it is created with the first run of gpg, right?
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09:09<user0>or gnupg or enigmail...
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09:17<grove>Probably. And your private keys is the only thing to worry about in there, so if you make a backup of secring.gpg it should be safe to just delete that directory
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09:20<grove>user0: If I add a sources.list line pointing to ftp.de.debian.org it works for me, Can you put a copy of your sources.list and output from `apt-key list` on a pastebin?
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09:24<user0>https://paste.debian.net/980591/
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09:30<user0># LC_ALL=C apt-key exportall
09:30<user0>gpg: WARNING: nothing exported
09:30<user0>grove: # LC_ALL=C apt-key exportall
09:30<user0>grove: gpg: WARNING: nothing exported
09:30<grove>Your apt keyring seems to be missing some entries. Is the debian-archive-keyring package installed?
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09:32<user0>grove: already newest version (2017.5)
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09:32<Walex>user0: again? again?
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09:33<grove>If it is, does `apt-key add /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-stretch-stable.gpg` make a difference (not fix everything)
09:33<user0>I did this cmd some times, yes.
09:34<grove>For that to make sense you must also have done something which undoes it. What?
09:34<vezult_>So, I'm preseeding a debian install, and am using a custom partman recipe.
09:34<user0>grove: I don't have that...
09:34<grove>And why?
09:34<user0>https://paste.debian.net/980595/
09:34<vezult_>because partman seems to assign "all the rest of the space" to the last partition...
09:35<Walex>user0: you had it all working two days agao, what have you done?
09:35<vezult_>I've added a dummy partition at the end that I do *not* want to mount
09:35<vezult_>or use
09:35<user0>vezult_: do you need the data on that disk part ?
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09:35<user0>walex: I'm working for, like 5 days on that problem...
09:35<vezult_>user0: no
09:36<puff>hell
09:36<puff>o
09:36<user0>Walex:it didn't work, sorry.
09:36<vezult_>user0: it's just for padding. I throw it away later
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09:36<puff>are you on parrot os
09:36<vezult_>and to be clear it's an LV, not a physical partition
09:36<grove>user0: That paste doesn't show the command I gave you
09:36<grove>!parrot
09:36<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
09:37<puff>cool I am on the lite version
09:38<Walex>user0: it was workign correctly with all the right keys.
09:38<grove>user0: Also add '--keyserver' before keyring.debian.org when downloading the keys
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09:42<grove>user0: Actually that would make it unreadable (if it works at all), it should be (something like) `apt-key adv --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 8B48AD6246925553 7638D0442B90D010 EF0F382A1A7B6500`
09:43<user0>gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
09:44<user0>do I have the necessary keys at all? https://paste.debian.net/980598
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09:46<grove>user0: That paste is completely irrelevant, that shows your personal (although for the root user = you're doing something seriously wrong, which goes a long way towards explains why stuff breaks for you all the time) keyring, not the one apt uses. - an you've been told about the difference before!
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09:48<user0>I'd like to give _apt the necessary rights it needs for the keyfiles. Easiest would be "#chmod +777 /*" but that's silly, obviously.
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09:48<user0>*would be silly
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09:56<grove>I haven't upgraded any of my machines to stretch yet (I'm behind on a lot of projects), and as _apt is a Stretch thing, that means I don't have any experience dealing with that. But it doesn't really matter right now. Somehow you've lost three keys from apt's keyring. Have you tried reinstalling (with `apt install --reinstall` the keyring package)?
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09:58<user0>*Will come back after reboot*
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10:01<morpheus>Hi !
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10:02<user0>https://paste.debian.net/980601/
10:02<user0>sorry, ditn'd work
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10:04<grove>user0: Can you try running `apt-key list` right after getting those keys, i.e. before running `apt update`?
10:05<user0>like this?: https://paste.debian.net/980603/
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10:06<Walex>user0: it worked for me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25277041/
10:07<user0>line 7 makes me wonder wether it's a hint...
10:07<user0>*7 of mine
10:07<Walex>user0: it is the same command that I told you to do 2 days ago and worked and loaded the right keys. What did you do after that?
10:07<Walex>user0: just to be sure do again 'sudo apt-key update'
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10:09<user0>I slimmed my sources.list with synaptic. For the rest I have to look it up...
10:09<piper>Walex: Warning: 'apt-key update' is deprecated and should not be used anymore!
10:09<grove>user0: No, you've connected the commands with &&, but then the second doesn't even run when the first one fails
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10:11<user0>you mean like that?:https://paste.debian.net/980604
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10:12<user0>Walex:may I just reinstall my system? or is this version of a solution too big?
10:12<piper>user0: can you try as user gpgconf --kill gpg-agent then as root gpgconf --kill gpg-agent then do apt update
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10:13<grove>user0: Yes.
10:13<user0>I don't know the cmd for executing a cmd neither as logged in user nor as root. Could you tell me?
10:13<grove>You've been executing lots of commands, what do you mean
10:14<piper>+1
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10:14<piper>user0: $ = user # = root
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10:16<user0>piper: sure. I'd like to execute "as user gpgconf --kill gpg-agent then as root gpgconf --kill gpg-agent then do apt update" [piper]. Or do you mean "as user ['user0']"???
10:16<grove>piper: killing a gpg-agent might help, but `apt update` right after will still fail. The problem is that the keys doesn't get added to apt's keyring with the apt-key command, I don't know if that shell script it says it executes is the standard on Stretch, my Jessie behaves differently
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10:17<piper>grove worked for, also worked for 8 builds last night
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10:17<piper>for me*
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10:17<grove>piper: Obviously you haven't f*cked your system in the same way as user0
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10:18<piper>hmm, i try to fscked my system anyway possible, it's hard
10:19<user0>grove: and that, where I want to install a further(?) distro/OS...
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10:20<grove>user0: What?
10:22<user0>Does that have anything to do with the fact that I copied /home/[old_username]/* to an external HDD and right after the install of Stretch on my new PC, I just pasted them all to /home/user0/ .?
10:23<user0>grove: I want to install BSD as dualboot/multiboot. I'm going to test some other distributions of Linux and OSes.
10:23*piper does facepalm
10:23<grove>user0: It shouldn't, you've f*cked apt's keyring, that doesn't live in /home (unless you've configured really weird, and then you'd know)
10:23<user0>OK, that calms me...
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10:24<Walex>user0: you don't need to reinstall anything, the APT keyring is a trivial thing to fi.
10:24<user0>piper: how did you do that line at [16:23:11]?
10:24<Walex>user0: you don't need to reinstall anything, the APT keyring is a trivial thing to fix
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10:24<user0>Walex:that calms, too.
10:25<Walex>user0: part of the problem is that a convention I follow and other people follow is that we must assume that you know what you are asking for.
10:25<user0>the annoying thing is that it doesn't work whatever you "propose".
10:25<user0>nothiung against Walex.
10:26<Walex>user0: my impression is that you don't know what you are doing and you are asking the wrong questions, but we keep answering the questions you actually ask, not those you probably should ask
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10:26<grove>user0: Why are you telling us that? Whether your debian installation works or not have no influence on installing anything else (your ability to comprehend what we're telling you might give us an opinion on the wiseness of your plan, but that is completely unrelated)
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10:26<user0>indeed, I'm asking "I cannot run #apt update without error, I don't like that and want to fix it. Can you help me? :-)".
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10:27<Walex>user0: that's a different question.
10:27<piper>user0: have you done what i asked or no, if yes, at least you tried, if not, oh well
10:27<Walex>user0: do you need the keyring for user 'root'?
10:27<Walex>user0: do you even know what the keyring for user 'root' is?
10:28<user0>I'm typing -.- And copy my .bash_history - if that helps.
10:28<user0>for piper.
10:28<Walex>user0: if you don't know it, just delete the whole '/root/.gnupg' directory
10:29<piper>user0: i don't want or need your bash history
10:30<user0>piper: isn't that where to find what I've done...?
10:30<piper>user0: i asked a simple question, a yes or no is a good answer ;)
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10:31<user0>all: you're quite fast right now. I'm brain-sweating.
10:31<piper>user0: thanks, my grandkids call me slow
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10:32<user0>piper: double-kill with update didn't work. Same old "song".
10:33<user0>piper(reply): when you're talked to from more than one person with at least 100% each, that's quite normal I think.
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10:35<grove>user0: I feel https://paste.debian.net/980604 shows your problem rather well. The keys you ask apt-key to get is not added to the keyring. - Did you ever try adding the keys from the local copy like I suggested an hour ago, the command I gave was `apt-key add /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-stretch-stable.gpg`
10:36<user0>yes, that was "no such file or directory"
10:36<user0>still is now.
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10:38<jelly-hme>user0: what do "apt-cache policy apt debian-archive-keyring" and "apt-cache policy" and "apt-get update" say
10:38<grove>Then your debian-archove-keyring package (that you said was installed) is f*cked, can you reinstall it: `apt install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring`
10:39<jelly-hme>did user0 actually show the version of debian-archive-keyring installed
10:40<grove>s/archove/archive/ (luckily that typo wasn't in th ecommand)
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10:40<grove>jelly-hme: No, he just claimed "already newest version (2017.5)"
10:41<grove>But at that point I chose to believe it
10:41<user0>https://paste.debian.net/980617
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10:42<Walex>jelly-hme: grove: piper: I no longer havce the paste links, but two days ago "user0" had the right archive keyring, the right keys in the APT keyring, and could run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' with not key missing issues.
10:43<grove>Why did you do those last two commands, and not the one I gave you: `apt install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring` - note the *--reinstall*
10:43<jelly-hme>user0: you don't have security repo in sources.list (and no stretch-updates, either)
10:43<jelly-hme>,v apt
10:43<judd>Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4.7; sid: 1.5~beta1; buster: 1.5~beta1
10:43<piper>Walex: hmm, interesting
10:43<jelly-hme>good thing there hasn't been a security update for apt recently, then
10:43<jelly-hme>!stretch sources.list
10:43<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
10:43<jelly-hme>user0: ^^
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10:45<jelly-hme>apt-get has install --reinstall, I'm not sure the apt command has a reinstall option (not in the man page for apt, at least)
10:45<grove>user0: Also try executing /var/lib/dpkg/info/debian-archive-keyring.postinst
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10:46<piper>apt install --reinstall should be correct
10:46<Walex>grove: good point too
10:48<JaguarDown>Running Debian 9 amd64. Trying to install flash player according to the wiki. Added wheezy contrib section to sources.list (since stretch didn't have the package), apt got a bunch of dependency packages and then tried to download flash itself from https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/24.0.0.186/flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz which gives 404 not found. What gives? However I understand this is Debian and not
10:48<JaguarDown>Ubuntu or something :-)
10:48<Walex>JaguarDown: obviously out of date :-)
10:48<vezult_>OK, well, back to my partman recipe error...
10:49<JaguarDown>I've also tried manually downloading a .tar.gz package from adobe and installing manually to no avail.
10:49<grove>Why did you add wheezy sources when you're running Stretch?
10:49<vezult_>this is my recipe: https://pastebin.com/1BGPvvny
10:49<jelly-hme>JaguarDown: what gives is you tried to add a repo from two releases behind, and things broke?
10:49<vezult_>and the error I'm getting is...
10:49<MagicFab>JaguarDown, Chrome and Firefox don't support it anymore, and you're mixing diff repositories
10:49<JaguarDown>Oh sorry, should I have added Jessie? I'm a Debian n00b and I thought wheezy was Debian 8
10:49<MagicFab>Ah, yes, wheezy is Debian 8
10:50<MagicFab>("old-stable")
10:50<JaguarDown>oh
10:50<vezult_>the attempt to mount a filesystem with type defaults in LVM VG system, LV padding at ext4 failed
10:50<grove>Wheezy was Debian 7, and repos for Jessie (Debian 8) might have caused similar problems
10:50<jelly-hme>MagicFab: wheezy is oldoldstable, debian 7
10:50<JaguarDown>MagicFab: I did not know they no longer supported it! I knew that YouTube went to HTML5 player which I was happy about, lots of sites still use flash players unfortunately
10:50<MagicFab>grove, yes I stand corrected
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10:50<vezult_>I'm not exactly sure that it's telling me anything useful
10:51<jelly-hme>JaguarDown: debian's downloader has been broken for months.
10:51<vezult_>any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
10:51<MagicFab>Last time I used flash succesfuly in Debian was Wheezy
10:51<JaguarDown>So basically I should just give up on flash player and wait for everybody to go to HTML5
10:51<JaguarDown>Or something else that's not flash lol
10:51<MagicFab>JaguarDown, is that for a specific website..?
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10:51<grove>I haven't needed a flash player for years, so it's not that hard
10:52<vezult_>what I want is to create an LV, but not mount it anywhere
10:52<JaguarDown>MagicFab: Not really, every once in a while I am looking at a site that is using flash in a player or other piece of content, and it's just a minor annoyance
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10:53<jelly-hme>JaguarDown: while you can install flashplayer-nonfree, you're right it tries to download an old release and fails. After that, you can download an appropriate tarball from adobe instead, then unpack libflashplayer.so into /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ and then restart firefox
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10:53<MagicFab>jelly-hme, sure but Firefox will also block Flash content anyways
10:54<JaguarDown>jelly-hme: I actually did that first but it doesn't appear to be working inside of firefox
10:54<jelly-hme>MagicFab: it blocks flash plugin content only by default, you can still click to enable.
10:54<JaguarDown>although
10:54<JaguarDown>I actually placed the .so directly into the firefox directory, do I need to put it in /usr/lib and symlink it?
10:54<jelly-hme>dunno, where is this "firefox directory"
10:55<JaguarDown> /usr/local/firefox
10:56<jelly-hme>did that path exist previously?
10:56<JaguarDown>no that's where I installed it manually
10:56<jelly-hme>installed what?
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10:56<JaguarDown>When I downloaded firefox I extracted it to that directory and manually symlinked the binary and icons and such
10:57<jelly-hme>you installed a build of firefox from mozilla's tarball? not using debian's one?
10:57<JaguarDown>erm, yes, I didn't know that was incorrect :-)
10:57<jelly-hme>debian's integration won't work with that one
10:58<JaguarDown>makes sense now
10:59<JaguarDown>well are you saying that's why the flash .so isn't working? My install came with Firefox ESR. I removed that and installed from Mozilla. I had a reason, I think it's because I wanted the latest build release.
10:59<jelly-hme>I don't remember which paths mozilla's build looks when searching for plugins
10:59<jelly-hme>does about:plugins page give a clue
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11:01<jelly-hme>JaguarDown: is there a /usr/local/firefox/browser/plugins/ directory?
11:02<JaguarDown>jelly-hme: negative on the plugin directory. There's an extension directory but it just contains one strangely named .xpi file
11:02<jelly-hme>mkdir it, see if putting it there makes a diference
11:02<jelly-hme>(as seen on https://support.mozilla.org/hr/questions/1030381)
11:02<JaguarDown>it looks like it may be in /home/"user"/.mozilla/firefox/3lwvopel.default/
11:02<JaguarDown>not sure what 3lwvopel.default means though
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11:03<jelly-hme>that's just a randomly generated profile dir
11:03<MagicFab>Some more info about Firefox + Flash in case you need it long term : https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2017/07/25/firefox-roadmap-flash-end-life/
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11:08<JaguarDown>MagicFab: Thanks for the link!
11:08<JaguarDown>jelly-hme: Your solution worked!
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11:10<JaguarDown>Thanks for the assistance. Kinda suprised I didn't come across that solution before. I suppose it's because I used the methodical newbie solution of placing libflashplayer.so in the main firefox directory because I saw a bunch of other shared objects there. :-)
11:11<MagicFab>JaguarDown, where did you look? Perhaps some doc can be updated/improved.
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11:13<user0>executing /var/lib/dpkg/info/debian-archive-keyring.postinst ...
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11:15<user0>When I execute it as root in pcmanfm, it "works", but: # sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/debian-archive-keyring.postinst
11:15<user0>dpkg-maintscript-helper: error: couldn't identify the package
11:16<JaguarDown>I was mainly looking in the Debian Wiki which explains how to install from repos, I didn't do a lot of searching elsewhere. A few Google searches but I suppose I was searching for terms other than related to *where* to put it, but rather how to install and or the arbitrary question "how get it working."
11:17<JaguarDown>"how to get it working"*
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11:18<user0># apt install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring -> got the same error.
11:18<user0>I'm short before reinstalling just everything -.-
11:18<JaguarDown>MagicFab: I'm sure the existing documentation related to this is fine, I was probably just going about it the wrong way. I am more of an intermediate level Linux user.
11:19<user0>JaguarDown: can I log in as _apt?
11:19<user0>;-)
11:20<JaguarDown>user0: I'm either such a n00b I don't know what you mean or advanced enough to know that's a bullsh*t question.
11:21<JaguarDown>I apologize for the censored profanity...
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11:23<user0>apt uses/creates the user _apt to get its things done. can I log in as that pseudo-user?
11:23<piper>JaguarDown: i use firefox nightly 57.0a1 (2017-08-09) (64-bit) and thunderbird nightly 56.0a1 (2017-07-30) (64-bit) i put both in /opt and install like this http://paste.debian.net/978581/ (of course change username) granted, you might not want nightly, but it can be done with any version there is also https://mozilla.debian.net/
11:24<JaguarDown>user0: I doubt it, you'd need a password, no? What is the password for _apt? :-)
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11:24<user0>hm... thought that there could be some useful info...
11:26<user0>Walex: do you know again what you told me then?
11:26<JaguarDown>user0: Why not try, do su _apt :-)
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11:27<user0>nothing reacts
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11:34<JaguarDown>it's probably configured for no login, only being intended for apt. I don't know, I'm just the new guy.
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11:38<user0>hm... assuming that I've successfully downloaded the necessary keys for the repos, how does apt know that they're there?
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11:40<viashimo>user0: apt-key add normally does the part of putting keys where apt reads them I think
11:40<whaf>could `apt-get dist-upgrade` remove manually installed packages?
11:40<user0>I don't know, but don't think so; is that a new problem?
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11:44<user0>I have found "file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build main" as a possible repo in Synaptic...
11:45<user0>Part of my problem ist "NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010 NO_PUBKEY EF0F382A1A7B6500 The repository 'http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch Release' is not signed."
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11:46<kzar>It possible to increase the sensitivity of my mouse's scrollwheel in my xorg config? Scrolling with my touchpad is OK, but with my mouse it's incredibly slow.
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11:47<jelly-hme>user0: did you reinstall debian-archive-keyring?
11:48<user0>You can look in settings > mouse & touchpad if you find the options. cmd-line option? I don't know...
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11:48<jelly-hme>user0: do you have a /var/cache/apt/archives/debian-archive-keyring*.deb in place maybe?
11:48<user0>kzar: system settings > mouse & touchpad
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11:49<user0>jelly-hme: nope.
11:50<jelly-hme>user0: then download it manually and (re)install with dpkg
11:51<jelly-hme>http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-archive-keyring/debian-archive-keyring_2017.5_all.deb
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11:53<jelly-hme>4e4ec5d35f0ec0a123b9c1992281343b debian-archive-keyring_2017.5_all.deb # its md5sum
11:53<jelly-hme>and quit synaptic while doing things with apt, apt-get or dpkg
11:54<user0>so? # dpkg --install debian-archive-keyring_2017.5_all.deb
11:54<user0>jelly-hme: i always do.
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11:55<user0>jelly: rename goooood
11:55<user0>*me silly*
11:55<jelly>yes, like that
11:55<user0>i've never done dpkg before, could you just give me the lines, maybe with explanation?
11:56<jelly>you already figured it out
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11:57<user0>but...- i didn't need the sum... what'S wrong with me??? *aghast*
11:58<user0>:-D
11:59<user0>https://paste.debian.net/980629
11:59<user0>jelly:next step? :-)
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12:01<jelly>user0: wtf is Apt-Spacewalk ?
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12:01<user0>don't know...
12:01<kzar>user0: There's not an option there for mouse wheel acceleration
12:01<user0>package tracker? https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/apt-spacewalk
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12:01<kzar>user0: FWIW I'm using XFCE and Debian Buster
12:02<user0>kzar: I thought so, because at my desktop (cinnamon), there is sth like that...
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12:02<jelly>user0: pastebin "dpkg -l apt\* | grep ^.i"
12:02<jelly>kzar: buster is in early testing stages. Use #debian-next channel.
12:03<user0>jelly:that helps? expl. please ;-)
12:03<user0>https://paste.debian.net/980630
12:04<jelly>I want to see what other packages starting with apt you have installed
12:04<jelly>what the bloody fuck
12:04<user0>what should it be?
12:04<jelly>user0: why do you have 40 extra apt-* packages installed
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12:05<user0>jelly: I don't know. Maybe because i could have re-installed apt or I have added some packages manually with synaptic in order to self-solve my problem...?
12:05<kzar>jelly: Well XFCE hasn't changed much in the last X years, so not much difference between Buster and Stretch there... or Jessie in fact,
12:06<kzar>My question is can you configure mouse wheel acceleration in an Xorg config file?
12:06<jelly>apt-dater? apt-move? apt-offline?
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12:06<user0>jelly: do they disturb the others?
12:06<jelly>they might.
12:07<jelly>kzar: and the right place to ask that question for a user of buster, is #debian-next. I have no idea if something changed in xorg input stack since stretch again
12:07<user0>OK, for removing an apt package, I'd like to have the "do it" from a high- or top-ranking debian/linux/kernel developer...
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12:07<jelly>user0: that's not going to happen
12:07<user0>because...?
12:08<user0>jelly:who's there?
12:08<kzar>jelly: Well do you know of a way of doing that in Debian Stretch?
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12:09<jelly>user0: those poeple usually don't have time to help in here
12:10<user0>jelly:but you brought up a new idea, that's great :-)
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12:10<jelly>kzar: no. First figure out which input drivers your mouse uses. Then figure out if it has xorg.conf settings (probably in its manual)
12:11<jelly>user0: at this point, I'd say the current mess is quicker to solve by a fresh installation than trying to untangle it
12:12<user0>like reinstall my whole distro???
12:12<jelly>yep
12:13<user0>my whole OS?
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12:13<piper>user0: yes, it is fucked up beyond
12:13<jelly>you've done a whole lot of things to it that you haven't mentioned to us
12:13<kzar>jelly: How do you figure out which driver the mouse is using?
12:13<user0>all that dozens of GB having to be overwritten so that no single bit is retracable?
12:13<user0>you're surely kidding me...?
12:14<jelly>kzar: hm, I guess I'd start by looking at Xorg log (that thing that used to sit at /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
12:14<annadane>if people give you advice the appropriate response isn't "you must be joking"
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12:14<jelly>user0: alternatively, see if someone wants to offer paid help
12:14<piper>kzar: xserver-xorg-input-libinput isnstalled
12:15<piper>installed* even
12:15<jelly>user0: personally I wouldn't bother touching this system for less than 100EUR/hr :-)
12:16<piper>jelly: and $150.00/hr US
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12:16<kzar>jelly, piper: Yes, looking at that log the mouse is using libinput.
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12:18<jelly>piper: you're more expensive than me
12:19<jelly>so now you want to find libinput documentation, if there're options to be set, you can put them into a file under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/local.conf or similar
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12:19<piper>jelly: and older, it looks more of a severe headache, i am used to pounds, not euro's ;)
12:19<jelly>(kzar ^)
12:19<kzar>jelly: Yea I already have a configuration file for the mouse since I needed to map the buttons, just reading the libinput man page now. Thanks for the pointer
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12:21<jelly>user0: there're multiple compounded issues in place here, it's a pain to figure it all out. If you back up your /home and whatever useful data you have, and reinstall, that's like 2 hours work tops. You've been at this for more than that.
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12:28<kzar>Any idea what "natural scrolling" means? It doesn't elaborate in the man page.
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12:30<user0>sure... I plan installing several OSes...And therefor I will have to partition my hdd... I planned 10-100 GB each partition, for I have the space... Is there a guide for doing it through the installation process?
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12:32<jelly>user0: use expert mode, manual or guided partitioning, and give debian just 10GB + say 1GB swap.
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12:33<jelly>leave the rest unpartioned and unallocated. Let each OS installer allocate its own space.
12:33<jelly>unpartitioned*
12:35<user0>There's an option in the installer, i assume.?
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12:39<jelly>user0: in expert mode, yes
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12:41<user0>and it won'T be complicated for I'm noob in partitioning?
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12:42<jelly>you'll have to learn about it, if you want to install half a dozen OSes onto one disk
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12:42<user0>*not nice*
12:43<user0>*me really not like*
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12:45<user0>fyi: https://paste.debian.net/980640
12:48<user0>jelly: is it explained in the process? is it - kind of - user-friendly? (Once I installed openSuSE, it had a great partitioning section. Although it was graphical install [but for me, text install is also graphical, I mean, you have windows (kind of), you have text fields, you can navigate with your arrow keys and: there are multiple colours in noe frame.)
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12:52<jelly>user0: uh, try it and see?
12:52<aguitel>any guide to speed up boot process under plasma in stretch ?
12:53<jelly>it's comparable to rhel/centos installer partitioning
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12:53<jelly>aguitel: what, like, "put your OS and /home on ssd" ?
12:54<aguitel>i am poor man to buy sdd card
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12:59<jelly>then run something like xfce, not plasma, perhaps
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13:04<user0>aguitel: I can rely on Openbox as a DE; it's not much, but it's fancy as f... And the handling is easiest when starting programmes through terminal
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13:08<vezult_>why does the installer try to ask me if this is really what I want, when I'm using an expert recipe in partman?
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13:40<user0>may I have problems trying to install a Linux (with a several architecture) onto a PC with a different architecture?
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13:40<annadane>user0, "a linux"
13:40<annadane>such as?
13:41<vezult_>OK, this is frustrating. How I can tell partman to shut the hell up, and do what I tell it?
13:41<annadane>this is for debian support
13:41<user0>annadane, "Debian stretch"
13:42<vezult_>I've given it a recipe, and it's just asking me for confirmation. It *really* wants me to mount any LV I create
13:42<annadane>you usually want amd64 for 99% of cases
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13:42<annadane>but you can ask here if you have one in mind
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13:42<user0>annadane: uname -a gives Linux debian 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u2 (2017-06-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux
13:42<vezult_>I suppose I could just give up and mount it on /tmp/foo or whatever
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13:43<vezult_>also, why does it create all my lvs the same size (not the maximum), even though I give them differing priorities
13:45<annadane>user0, debian does have muiltiple architectures but you should find out whether your computer you want to install it on actually is different from amd64
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13:46<user0>the vendor (asrock) doesn't want to tell me -.-
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13:49<annadane>user0, anyway, the short answer is "yes". if you install an amd64 iso on a different arch it won't work out
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13:51<user0>annadane, could that cause severe and system-up-f*cking problems?
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13:55<annadane>in any case you definitely ought to be able to determine your computer's architecture
13:55<annadane>"the vendor won't tell me" is silly
13:56<blast007>user0: what CPU is it?
13:56<blast007>user0: also, if it's the wrong arch, it won't even boot the installer
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13:59<bw123>user0: if /proc/cpuinfo flags has 'lm' in it then it's amd64
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14:00<annadane>that's assuming the computer already has linux on it however...
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14:00<bw123>yeh they all should by now?
14:00<annadane>in an ideal world...
14:01<annadane>but, yeah, what processor is it?
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14:03<user0>blast007, that calms me...
14:04<annadane>if someone says "how do i install linux on a computer" the chances are 99% the computer runs windows
14:04<user0>bw123, there's no such folder like /proc/[a-zA-Z]
14:04<user0>annadane, I don't, for years already *proud*
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14:07<bw123>user0: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo |grep -om1 lm
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14:09<user0>annadane, bw123, I can hear you *not nice feeling*
14:09<user0>output: lm \newline lm \newline lm
14:10<bw123>long mode i think
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14:10<user0>if you want to have any look at it... I tried to reconstruct my inputs...https://paste.debian.net/980650
14:11<bw123>nah that's ok i have my own
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14:11<mnuhmnuh>user0: /proc is a special in ram filesystem. better to use cat with it.
14:11<user0>bw123, what???
14:11<user0>mnuhmnuh, what???
14:12<mnuhmnuh>cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags
14:12<user0>So I have to re-set-up my whole system... I'd like every partition to have ~ 10 - 100 GB. Is that user-friendly at the installing process or better (e.g. with KVPM) when the system is set up?
14:13<user0>mnuhmnuh, what do you wish from that?
14:13<mnuhmnuh>that's where you'll find "lm" if arch == amd64.
14:14<annadane>better with the installer imo
14:14<annadane>less work
14:15<user0>it's four times there.
14:15<user0>imo isn't
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16:05<user0>hey there, I have a problem with my # apt update, can anyone help?
16:06<annadane>!ask
16:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:06<annadane>!bat
16:06<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
16:06<user0>annadane, I've been here an hour to two ago...
16:06<user0>You remember?
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16:06<annadane>user0, it's not just me in the channel, you should restate your problem so other people can also look at it
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16:07<user0>hm, you're --- Cinnamon crashed right now, when I was "#apt upgrade -y"-ing
16:08<user0>...
16:09<user0>http://paste.debian.net/980668/
16:10<annadane>so your main issue is cinnamon crashing when you upgrade packages...?
16:10<annadane>i guess i could scroll up from an hour ago
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16:11<annadane>i can't really find your original question. you posted a lot of messages. can you be more specific with your problem
16:12<annadane>and maybe not leave this time until it gets fixed, you've asked the same "can someone help me with my apt update" question several times
16:12<user0>nope, long story short: I was dealing with #apt update for a week, then, today, joger (or something like that) proposed me to reinstall my whole system and now, I'm ready with that step, but I have 38 "ignored" or something packages.
16:13<user0>search for "bsd". I may have posted it after you joined... (something like "several OSes")
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16:14<annadane>user0, that was 6 hours ago, not an hour
16:14<annadane>anyway
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16:14<grove>user0: If you want help, start by answering the questions I asked this afternoon that you didn't answer then
16:14<annadane>i would still say you need to follow the instructions in !bat
16:15<annadane>user0, please don't send me a pm
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16:16<user0>I want to post an image, where can I do that, dpkg?
16:17<user0>dpkg picture
16:17<dpkg>user0: are you smoking crack?
16:17<user0>!picture
16:17<annadane>stop
16:17<user0>!picture-post
16:18<annadane>dpkg: tell user0 about screenshot
16:18<grove> dpkg: you're not the only one to wonder that
16:18<dpkg>grove: i don't know
16:18<user0>so, I'd like to post my screenshots, where (Linuxworld) can I do that?
16:18<annadane>imgur?
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16:19<user0>there was a dkpg-chat-command showing where I can post to debian pastebin and there also was an url where to post pictures.
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16:20<grove>Anyone know if I could have done something to make dpkg ignore that (I tried adding a leading space, but that obviousæy didn't work) - and even though I know dpkg is a bot it was intentional that I replied to it's question
16:20<annadane>put "dpkg" at the end of your question
16:20<annadane>et tu, dpkg?
16:21<grove>user0: screenshots won't help us with your apt problem
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16:21<itd>dpkg: tell user0 -about selftell
16:21<itd>dpkg: tell user0 -about paste
16:22<annadane>user0, and can you slow down and stop guessing so we can actually work on your problem
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16:23<grove>annadane: I forgot to add: short of rephrasing the question. English is not my native language, so that is not always easy
16:23<user0>http://picpaste.com/n8x1TGj3.png and http://picpaste.com/Bildschirmfoto_vom_2017-08-09_22-16-04-FutExXz5.png
16:23<annadane>yeah, fair enough
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16:24<grove>user0: I told you that wouldn't help! Answer the questions you have already gotten!
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16:25<itd>user0: try #debian.de if you prefer german
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16:27<grove>If you do, please tell them that we have already worked on the problem and what we found, so that they don't have to go through the same troubles getting relevant info from you
16:28<bw123>user0: using the -y flag on apt commands is really asking for trouble
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16:28<annadane>also that
16:29<Walex>bw123: "user0" has been trying to find trouble in very simple APT opewrations for a few days, and he is good at finding it.
16:29<Walex>:-)
16:29<Walex>:-)
16:29<Walex>:-)
16:30<bw123>well i admire cowboys, but yeah you are right
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16:36<bw123>actually man apt-get says -y has fairly sane defaults, i still wouldn't do it
16:37<annadane>relying on defaults is bad in general i feel unless people specifically say it's ok
16:37<annadane>no matter how sane
16:37<annadane>especially for apt
16:37<annadane>"rely on" is another way of saying "don't try to understand how x works"
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16:42<user0>Sorry for saying no to your answer, but it didn't help. I reinstallted all of my system right now and I'm still stuck in the same old error. I checked the sha sum before I burnt the iso on my installation media and even downloaded everything with tails, so I do don't assume that I got an error right before the installation process. During the i.p. it is very unlikely to make the same error twice and I extra re-partitioned my HDD so that
16:42<user0>really no old - and therewith it should no "wrong" - data or whatever be taken through the installation. After that, I have at least english of lvl B2.2 - I even DREAMT(!) in english! - so I think I can do this in english; next: I have really not the best internet connection (living in Germany and on top of that in a village in a rural village (I do know that it[Germany, rural, village]'s redundant with respect to the internet, but 1st, I
16:42<user0>didn't get the message from 22:18:04, when - I don't remember correctly, but it may have been grove who - told me to bootstrap Debian. Next: Walex told me a command working with their - obviously not Debian, but - Ubuntu for pasting an "ubuntu-link" with a command working there, but also after 3rd time not with my system. Then some "helper" made fun of my situation mentioning something like it would be hard to f**k up a system like I did with
16:42<user0>mine. Really -.- Here's some nice paste for you if you'd like to get an idea of the last week of mine with hexchat... https://paste.debian.net/980650
16:42<grove>With the level user0 is on, I believe he should rely on a lot of things
16:43<bw123>user0: your english is real good it's your sanity at question
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16:44<tim>hi
16:44<grove>user0: I haven't told you to bootstrap Debian, that is a major overreaction
16:44<bw123>but don't stop hacking man you may reinvent the wheeel the way youare going
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16:45<annadane>let's all just slow down and work on the problem in small stages
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16:47<user0>OK, to start all over again... I just re-install Debian 9.1 (Stretch bzw. stable) after I got tails as they recommend getting it and then I get a full installation of Debian experimental and - maybe - I could make it replying on any of your posts the day after tomorrow even without MPH (for chemists: IUPAC names it (±)-2-Phenyl-2-(2-piperidyl)essigsäure-methylester ).
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16:47<user0>really. I'm working on a paste on debian.net...
16:48<annadane>well, firstly, don't mix stable and experimental
16:48<annadane>unless you mean on a seperate partition
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16:51<grove>!tails
16:51<dpkg>Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. https://tails.boum.org/ #tails on irc.oftc.net.
16:51<itd>tim: Hello, should you have a question regarding debian stable - just ask. :)
16:52<tim>salve
16:52<bw123>To reinvent the wheel is to duplicate a basic method that has already previously been created or optimized by others.
16:52<bw123>To reinvent the wheel is to duplicate a basic method that has already previously been created or optimized by others.
16:52<tim>how I can make a netwokrk with debianś
16:52<tim>?
16:53<annadane>you're just including way too much information in your messages. we need to know specifically what your issue is. you said you have 38 ignored packages. if you're "reinstalling your system" - i don't know what that means - from scratch then you won't have those because it's simply a fresh install. you shouldn't get 38 ignored packages in debian stable, are you going from 9.0 to 9.1? and as i mentioned, if you're mixing
16:53<annadane>repositories, it's a bad idea, not sure if that's the cause of your ignored packages
16:53<user0>http://paste.debian.net/980672 I have to warn you: There's some lines in GER, others are really NOT useful at all and some are redundant. But I thought I'll give you 100% i/o form now on, so that we really do can do find (so much stressing) the error[s] in my system. Or in me. Don't know. *weary*
16:53<annadane>okay
16:53<tim>okay
16:53<tim>tell me
16:53<tim>?
16:54<itd>tim: What kind of network? Why do you want that? :)
16:54<bw123>amnesic?
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16:54<user0>http://paste.debian.net/980673/
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16:55<annadane>thank you providing the information and i'm sorry that you're frustrated
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16:56<bw123_>what's amnesic?
16:56<user0>annadane, the initial problem was that I didn't get rid of those 37 [38 ] packages, which were seemingly being ignored. That smells like an error for me.
16:56<annadane>well, okay, you're definitely on stable
16:56<user0>bw123_, @amnesia, forgetting everything... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesia
16:57<annadane>this is the general problem with splitting your question up in help channels over multiple sessions and then expecting everyone to know your issue
16:57<bw123_>i got brain damage
16:57<annadane>it helps to understand the problem first before you solve it
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16:58<user0>OK, please everyone let's forget about #apt update, it's working fine with every 7*10⁹ people out there.
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16:58<bw123_>user0: far out how you did that 7*10 >> ⁹
16:58<annadane>bw123_, stop
16:59<annadane>you're not being helpful
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17:00<user0>annadane, for solving the issue of 37, I removed them manually in synaptic. I wanted to have another repo, so I just changed manually and added several mirrors because I thought that I'd get more packages or "better results". Btw: fdupes and encfs don'T com with #apt update, somehow.
17:00<annadane>more mirrors doesn't mean better updates
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17:03<annadane>and i'm sorry for the delay, i'm just trying to unpack and make sense of your problem
17:03<det3>I'm sure this has been asked a few times, but haven't found andy docs or solid references from Google searches: I'm running jessie and attempted to install exfat. It wouldn't load because of libfuse2, which has an unsatisfied dependency of setattr_prepare when I run modprobe. I'm running deb 8.2, updated this week, with kernel 3.16. The closest thing I can find is that setattr_prepare is only in the 4.x kerne
17:03<det3>l series, but when I run modinfo it shows that the fuse module was linked against a 3.16 kernel. Help?
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17:04<annadane>grove, maybe you can restate the questions you wanted to ask user0 because you seem to have dealt with this earlier
17:04<user0>annadane, you remember the screenshots? I have taken "Main server" with synaptic as the source of packages... http://picpaste.com/YYpkGcYK.png Somehow, my old problem starts over again...
17:05<annadane>user0, well, we can see by your output that there are mirror errors
17:05<annadane>http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch/updates not having a release file
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17:05<user0>annadane, that turned in "NO_PUBKEY" later on...
17:07<bw123_>det3: what package exactly did you install for exfat?
17:07<annadane>i'm not experienced enough to know whether your sources list is right or how to fix it if it's not, and that seems like a good place to start
17:08<annadane>an error in your sources list will lead to further problems down the line
17:08<user0>so I shouldn't change anything for now / on my own?
17:08<user0>want to see?
17:08<annadane>not without understanding what you're doing - you have a complex issue which we don't want to make worse
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17:09<user0>http://paste.debian.net/980677
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17:11<annadane>user0, it would have been better to post the entire sources list from the beginning...
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17:12<user0>annadane, so, there's already the error? I have "created" it with synaptic. I thuoght it would do its part "always right".
17:12<annadane>i think the problem would best be solved by first of all determining how if it's necessary you can fix your sources and only then look at any errors because it means those errors aren't dependent on what you fixed
17:13<annadane>user0, well, synaptic relies on the sources you added
17:13<user0>I always posted my sources.list, the only thing I didn't show were the comments.
17:13<annadane>but i really am out of my range in terms of technical knowledge here
17:14<annadane>but generally it's better to use the terminal so you get a detailed output rather than a GUI like synaptic
17:14<user0>annadane, I chose the mirror with syna, because I thought I wouldn't bring an error in the list by that.
17:15<bw123_>To reinvent the wheel is to duplicate a basic method that has already previously been created or optimized by others.
17:15<annadane>bw123_, again, this isn't helping
17:15<annadane>can you fucking stop
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17:17<grove>annadane: I think his reinstallation has rendered it moot, and saying that he "got tails as they recommend getting it", convinced me that it's not a problem for #debian, but this afternoon I concluded "user0: I feel https://paste.debian.net/980604 shows your problem rather well. The keys you ask apt-key to get is not added to the keyring." and "Then your debian-archove-keyring package (that ...
17:17<grove>... you said was installed) is f*cked, can you reinstall it: `apt install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring`", to which he responded with https://paste.debian.net/980617, which caused me to say "Why did you do those last two commands, and not the one I gave you: `apt install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring` - note the *--reinstall*" to which I never saw a response
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17:19<annadane>apparently, stretch/updates doesn't exist? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/371890/debian-the-repository-does-not-have-a-release-file
17:20<annadane>so that may be the cause of some of the issues
17:20<grove>I haven't upgraded to stretch yet, so I don't know, but I'm not surprised that no updates have been made yet
17:20<bw123_>stretch/updates is for security.debian.org
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17:20<bw123_>stretch-updates is for main
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17:21<annadane>right. so user0, you may want to put stretch/updates as security.debian.org
17:21<annadane>and obviously apt update after you do that
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17:22<user0>so no # LC_ALL=C apt install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring???
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17:22<user0>http://paste.debian.net/980678
17:22<tim>hi
17:23<annadane>hi, tim. re your earlier question, itd asked "what kind of network?"
17:23<tim>I m lokking for
17:23<itd>annadane: Thank you. :)
17:24<tim>debian relese
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17:24<user0>bw123_, could you give me a correct sources.list with a german Mirror server that I don't blow my system up again? :-)
17:24<annadane>see, that sounds like a great starting point
17:24<bw123_>user: i like the file here cat /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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17:25<annadane>although it doesn't necessarily have to be a german server, there's a redirect one as well
17:25<bw123_>but i read that deb.debian.org might have some trouble occasionally
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17:25<itd>tim: Sorry, but that doesn't make any sense to me.
17:25<grove>user0: And if you understand what you're doing you should know what I want to see now - but I'll be kind: What is the output of `apt-key list` now? - And I'll go to bed instead of waiting for the answer
17:25<user0>bw123_, so just using that as sources.list???
17:25<tom_>Can anyone please tell me how to correctly disable the Nouveau kernel driver so I can install a different one ?
17:26<itd>tim: Italian?
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17:26<tim>No portuguese
17:26<bw123_>user0: y, just the /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list is fine
17:26<user0>so, cat /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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17:26<user0>*sorry
17:26<annadane>!pt
17:26<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
17:27<user0>so, cp /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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17:27<annadane>oh i'm sorry, that may not have been the context itd was asking about
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17:27<tim>okay thanks im just tryinng receve I road
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17:28<itd>tim: You don't have to leave, but if you prefer portugese, then try #debian-pt (or -br). :)
17:28<itd>tim: Or try again to describe *why* do you want to create a network?
17:29<tim>okay i will try
17:29<tim>but i ve broblem whith this langage
17:29<tim>if you
17:30<tim>sorry
17:30<user0>http://paste.debian.net/980679 ?
17:30<tim>thanks
17:30<itd>tim: problem with english => /join #debian-pt :)
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17:32<itd>user0: What does 'ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg' return?
17:32<bw123_>$ ls -l /etc/apt | grep trust
17:32<bw123_>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul 14 09:34 trusted.gpg.d
17:32<user0>-rw------- 1 root root 32 Aug 9 22:15 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
17:33<bw123_>user0: stop with the chmod crap!
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17:33<user0>make it chmod +0444 ./* ?
17:33<user0>sorry, lame internet
17:34<jmcnaught>#864640
17:34<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/864640 in synaptic (open): «synaptic: when modifying repository's a file named trusted.gpg is created in /etc/apt/»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-06-12; last modified: 2017-07-31.
17:34<bw123_>hmmm that's odd, why you have trusted.gpg instead of a .d folder?
17:35<bw123_>ain't debian is it?
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17:35<itd>user0: Here it's 644.
17:36<jmcnaught>user0: does 'gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --list-keys' return anything?
17:36<user0>I thought +[yxxx] would give extra rights and -[yxxx] would take it.? I read somethign like that in the man page...?
17:36<user0>just the first time, the 2nd, it doesn't
17:37<itd>user0: Kind of, yes. Wait a bit, please. :)
17:37<itd>user0: What does it return the first time?
17:37<tom_>Can anyone please tell me how to correctly disable the Nouveau kernel driver so I can install a different one ? feel free to private message me
17:38<tim>I ve want to configure a entire network of windows
17:38<itd>tom_: Which driver do you want to install instead? (And how?)
17:38<jmcnaught>tom_: just follow the instructions at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and if you run into problems ask about it here
17:38<tim>thanks
17:39<user0>itd, http://paste.debian.net/980681
17:39<tom_>the one from Nvidia, if there is a better one, please tell me
17:39<tim>i dont now
17:40<tim>is this te one ?
17:40<jmcnaught>user0: you are experiencing the bug that judd linked to above. Synaptic adds this /etc/apt/trusted.gpg file that is empty but also has permissions that the _apt user cannot read, which breaks 'apt-get update'
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17:41<tom_>i don't know how yet. thanks for the link, i'm grateful :)
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17:41<annadane>jmcnaught, and possibly also an incorrect sources list
17:41<annadane>which is the parallel issue being worked on
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17:42<user0>annadane, jmcnaught what's next?
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17:42<annadane>https://paste.debian.net/980677 was from earlier, i don't know if he fixed it, i did mention stretch/updates was for security.debian.org
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17:43*itd is tempted to suggest to change the mode bits to -rw-r--r--
17:43<user0>annadane, I took another sources.list: "cp /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list" and then uncommentign the deb-src lines
17:44<annadane>i do recommend you take a look at the sources list examples at https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList , even if yours isn't exactly like that it will tell you where to put entries like security.debian.org for instance
17:44<annadane>ah, all right then
17:44<jmcnaught>user0: remove the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg file
17:44<user0>#rm /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
17:44<annadane>but in any case, one problem at a time, i'm getting ahead of myself
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17:45<jmcnaught>user0: does 'apt update' work now?
17:46<user0>yes.
17:46<user0>for now. I'm sceptical about that...
17:46<jmcnaught>user0: did you have repos for other distros or releases in your sources.list before this?
17:47<user0>jmcnaught, when is "before this"?
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17:47<jmcnaught>user0: before now, or before you just changed your sources.list
17:48<jmcnaught>user0: did you install packages from another distro's or release's repository is what I am really asking
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17:48<annadane>there was this from before https://paste.debian.net/980672
17:49<user0>boah... after my hard reset (re-installation of the OS), I only changed the deb-src lines manually, the rest with synaptic. I had wine installed before. But I think the problem was there also before that.
17:50<user0>annadane, thís ought to be befor my "hard reset".
17:51<user0>jmcnaught, but wine was suspect for me for a longer time... I'm not sure wether it works well or even is maintained properly... *Just my stomach speaking*
17:51<jmcnaught>user0: I recommend not using synaptic anymore. Also you should definitely not run Synaptic or any other GUI program from a root shell.
17:51<annadane>wine has multiple possible respositories
17:52<annadane>it's packaged in stable but then there is of course wine's own repos
17:52<jmcnaught>user0: what matters for package manager problems is where you got your packages from. If you added a new repo to install wine then it's relevant.
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17:53<user0>just in case: is it OK when I paste dot-folders to my homedir, where the things like mailing lists in gui client and optical behaviour of DE is stored?
17:53<user0>jmcnaught, I followed their steps on winehq.org
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17:54<annadane>...yeah.
17:54<user0>jmcnaught, is it OK to run synaptic "with double-click on the item"?
17:55<jmcnaught>user0: that's better than running it from the root shell, but you still have that synaptic bug that creates /etc/apt/trusted.gpg and breaks 'apt update'
17:56<user0>the thing is, that a GUI is helpful for me when I search or browse for packages I want to get (rid of), because I can just search for them an don't need to know the name.
17:57<jmcnaught>user0: it's a lot easier to help someone when they answer questions directly. I ask "did you install packages from another distro's or release's repository?" should be something you can tell us without asking me to look up instructions on winehq that you might have followed
17:57<user0>so:yes.
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17:57<jmcnaught>and they were…
17:58<annadane>user0, apt-cache search <pkg>
17:58<piper>in reality, apt purge synaptic and learn cli apt search foo apt install foo man apt
17:58<user0>for now, I go to bed.
17:58<annadane>or, yes, apt search
17:58<jmcnaught>or gnome-software
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17:59<bremner>frying pan -> fire?
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18:01<annadane>"don't need to know the name" is fair enough, however, i didn't really read it properly
18:01<annadane>still not a bad idea to use the terminal instead on general principles and also to not run into that bug
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18:03<jmcnaught>i really just wanted to know because they had mentioned experimental earlier, and it really seemed like they were not informing us of all the things they were trying
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18:03<annadane>yeah i'm not sure what experimental means
18:03<annadane>the sources were all stretch...
18:04<jmcnaught>there are people that try to add a repo temporarily, install stuff from it, then remove it from sources.list then neglect to mention this while trying to troubleshoot package manager issues
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18:05<piper>jmcnaught: +1
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18:06<marioxcc>Hello.
18:06<marioxcc>Can you suggest a well developed real time (not turn based) game for GNU/Linux?
18:07<marioxcc>I know about 0 A. D.
18:07<marioxcc>What else do we have?
18:07<annadane>it's called "help user0 with technical support"
18:07*annadane stops being snarky
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18:09<jmcnaught>marioxcc: there are some RTS games listed here: https://blends.debian.org/games/tasks/strategy boswars, megaglest, warzone2100
18:10<marioxcc>Ok.
18:10<marioxcc>Thanks.
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18:11<bw123_>marioxcc: if you like old school try the emulators too like mednafen and mupen64
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18:12<marioxcc>bw123_: Aren't game for emulators almost always proprietary, though?
18:12<piper>marioxcc: does this help https://wiki.debian.org/Game https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_games
18:13<marioxcc>piper: Yes. Thanks.
18:13<piper>:P
18:13<marioxcc>I also know about https://libregamewiki.org/
18:13<bw123_>marioxcc: there are some free roms, but yes most of the better games are hacks
18:13<marioxcc>bw123_: Ok.
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18:14*piper does steam & wine and a beer
18:15<marioxcc>I keep proprietary software to a minimum, only BIOS, microcode, embedded CPUs (in hard disk, etc.) and *some* web code.
18:15<annadane>yeah i can never get into the whole "steam for linux!!!111" it's like, the point is not to do that...
18:16<bw123_>just think if #debian channel had in-game purchase you guys could have milked about $300 out of user0
18:17<marioxcc>Right annadane.
18:17<marioxcc>I agree.
18:18<bw123_>i played candy crush on my sister's iphone and it's pretty good
18:18<bw123_>tastee
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18:49<grenville>hello all, simple query, I hope. I'm using xfce on debian 9 and all the scroll arrows on mozilla products have disappeared. The only stuff I could find online suggested changing the xfce theme, but that hasn't helped. Any ideas?
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19:06<Walex>grenville: when did they disappear?
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19:07<Walex>grenville: and what do you mean by "scroll arrows"? The scroll bar?
19:07<grenville>Walex: well, ff before I upraded to 9 and thundbird after I installed the latest update.
19:08<grenville>and thank you.
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19:08<Walex>grenville: could be a few things...
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19:09<Walex>grenville: have a look in Firefox at 'about:config' and then type "scrollbar" in the "Search:" field
19:09<grenville>sorry, I missed your second comment, I meant the little arrows at the top and bottom of the scrol bar.
19:09<grenville>will do
19:09<Walex>grenville: ah that's definitely a Gtk theme change
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19:10<Walex>grenville: latest Firefox uses Gtk3 themes
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19:11<grenville>Walex: ahhhh, can I change that easily?
19:11<Walex>grenville: oh yes, but it is complicated as to the arrows
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19:11<Walex>grenville: found a suitable bug report etc:
19:11<Walex>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269145#c17
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19:12<grenville>Walex: Thank you.
19:12<Walex>grenville: similarly: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2325112&s=76dbb6cd27c1fe708e41fa34f2986d0f&p=13492228#post13492228
19:12<Walex>grenville: or you can just change theme
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19:13<Walex>grenville: BTW "without arrows" is how your GTk3 default theme is meant to look like#
19:14<Walex>grenville: you may want instead of customizing your current GTk3 theme, to choose another one you like more.
19:14<grenville>Walex: Thank you so much. I will do one or t'other. Grrr... to these trendy designers, I can't use my fingers and need the arrows.
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19:15<Walex>grenville: I use these theme settings: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25280057/
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19:16<Walex>grenville: the link at the top is a wiki page that explains the setting
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19:16<grenville>Walex: There are so many themes. I hate the choice. Thanks for the helpful links.
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19:20<grenville>I'm off to retheme my computer, cheers Walex
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22:31-!-yoh is "Yaroslav Halchenko" on #debian-reproducible #datalad #debian #debian-med #debian-science #neurodebian
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23:34-!-towo` is "Torsten -towo- Wohlfarth" on #aptosid #debian #debian-next #debian-offtopic #siduction-de #siduction-dev #siduction-admin #debian.de-offtopic
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23:43-!-sunderland93 is "Sunderland93" on #debian-systemd #debian-gnome #debian-kde #debian
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23:45-!-kathenas is "Phil Wyett" on #debian-bugs #debconf17-woody #debconf17-potato #debconf17-bo #debconf17-buzz #debconf17-rex #debian-www #debconf #debian #debian-cd #debian-qa #debian-offtopic #debian-mentors #debian-derivatives #debian-gnome #debian-live #debian-next
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23:50-!-nover is "nover" on #tor #tor-project #whonix #debian #tails #subgraph #qubes #otr #zcash #zcash-market #zcash-mining #debian-mentors #bitmessage #onionbalance
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23:53-!-claw is ",,," on #debian-lts #debian #debian-kde
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