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01:06<kraim>hello
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01:08<kraim>some links broken in debian package web site
01:08<kraim>I don't know how to report this!
01:08<kraim>https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firefox-esr
01:09<kraim>Changelog file & Copyright File
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01:10<jm_>it's been like that for a long time for security updates AFAIK
01:10<jm_>also how to report it, read the text at the bottom of the page
01:10<annadane>kraim, i believe they are upgrading some pages
01:11<annadane>there was discussion in #debian-devel about this earlier
01:11<kraim>ok, thank you for information.
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01:30<quinerr>hi, i have a iptables/route question. how can i default dev wan0 (NATed) while allow any connection from wan1?
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03:27<user0>annadane, are you online?
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03:42<user0>where to find most lightweight(, but still graphical) packages/programmes/software [for Lnx]?
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03:47<jm_>perhaps look at lxde
03:47<grove>user0: In general that's not well defined enough to answer.
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03:48<user0>grove, OK, maybe I start with emails. It needs PGP-Encryptioning, but thunderbird becomes way too "darkweight" (opposite of lightweight).
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03:49<jm_>heavy weight
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03:51<user0>hm... I also could start with: where to turn off the animations in cinnamon?
03:54<grawity>gsettings set org.cinnamon.desktop.interface enable-animations false
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03:56<rjsalts>user0: aptitude might be able to help, -O gives you the search order. You could search and sort based on installsize
03:56<rjsalts>user0: however that will only be for the specific package, it wouldn't capture all the dependencies
03:56<rjsalts>user0: https://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s05s01.html#secSortingPolicy
03:57<user0>grove, (process:8269): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: The connection is closed
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04:00<user0>hm... maybe this one (now more important): I want to copy the external HDD, which is used by my TV and has xfs filesystem, but it says I wouldn't have the read rights for that, only user "1023" would have. Can I simply create a user named "1023" to solve the problem? :-D
04:01<user0>*I'm serious, but my 'solution' would be too easy I think, so therefor the emoticon*
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04:04<jm_>it's probably UID 1023, not user name 1023?
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04:05<grove>Why on earth are you referencing me on that?
04:08<user0>grove, that's the output of your given command I thought. Only now, I see, it was grawity who shoudl have beenreferenced. sorry
04:08<user0>jm_, screenshot?
04:08<jm_>user0: what do you mean with that?
04:10<grove>user0: What command? I haven't given you any commands since last night, and without remembering it in details it shouldn't cause dconf errors (and a quick look over the log from tonight made me think that the problem you had then was actually solved)
04:10<user0>jm_, do you want a screenshot of the message when I try mounting the external HDD for understanding a possible solution to the problem?
04:10<jm_>user0: maybe, also run «ls -l» on it as root and put it on the paste site
04:11<user0>grove, the problem does be still solved. I executed the line from grawity . I thought it was you, but it wasn't. as written at 10:08:03
04:11<user0>grawity, (process:8269): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: The connection is closed
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04:20<user0>when I have an encrypted external HDD and want to delete all duplicates with fdupes, I use "$fdupes -r --sameline -d -N /pat/to/.encrypted /path/to/mountpoint/decrypted". Will that delete every file (because I list it twice)?
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04:24<linuxenko>how do you encrypt your external hdd user0 ? just curious, i want to encrypt my usb drive, but dont know which method to choise..
04:24<user0>linuxenko, with encfs, a package from standard repo
04:24<user0>in deb 8.5 and 9.1
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04:25<linuxenko>user0, does it use fixed size of the encripted volume ?
04:25<linuxenko>i mean it is such as dm-crypt things ?
04:26<user0>linuxenko, I started with cryptkeeper, but you need a task bar/menu bar for that. dm-crypt? Cannot find that package...
04:27<jm_>dm-crypt is in kernel -- apt-cache show cryptsetup
04:27<linuxenko>user0, does your `.encrypted` volume has the same size of all the files inside, or it is one large drive ?
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04:29<linuxenko>yes, dm is the kernel thing , there is a bunch of tools to work with it, in general there is no difference how they are do things
04:30<user0>linuxenko, PM.
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04:38<user0>anyone here who knows about different file systems?
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04:43<dpkg>it has been said that dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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04:52<grove>user0: last night itd made dpkg tell you about querying it in private, please remember that
04:52<grove>What do you want to know about different file systems?
04:52<user0>grove, i needed dpkg to tell anythiun for starting that private session.
04:53<grove>user0: No you don't, you can just /msg it
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04:57<user0>grove, my external HDD for my TV has filesystem xfs and read-permissions only for owner, so something like 0600. I would like to have the recording of the TV (for which the ext. HDD is connected to my TV) on my PC. Therefor I plan mounting it to my PC and just cp (or copy otherwise) the files.
04:57<grove>And...
04:59<user0>grove, ...and I cannot copy it! *3 years old*
05:00<jm_>why not? should work at least as root
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05:01<user0>didn't. I had in mind to create a user with the same name as the one with r/w perm. on the ext. HDD to trick the xfs-fs.
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05:05<grove>user0: xfs doesn't save ownership as names but as uids, so the name of the user doesn't matter, his uid does
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05:06<grove>(I don't think I have heard of anything else than NFSv4 that uses symblic names)
05:06<user0>Can I still trick it?
05:07<user0>next issue: is there a "rmdir --recursive" (as 'opposite' to "rmdir --parents")?
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05:12<grove>user0: Not as far as I know, but why do you need that, `rmdir --parents` can do the same, just tab-complete the path
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05:16<grove>If there are files in the directories you want to remove, use the tool for removing files it has an option for working recursively
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05:26<user0>grove, I do '$ LC_ALL=C rmdir -p /home/user0/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*' with extre "/*" every step... I want every empty folder to be reased.
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05:27<user0>grove, not the files, only the empty folders. The files are gone for me with fdupes.
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05:30<grawity>find <path> -type d -depth -exec rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty {} \;
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05:34<grove>grawity's command is a lot better
05:38<user0>hm, I admit it.
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06:58<mm11>Hi guys, I'm having this problem on a Dell laptop https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=869658
06:58<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/869658 in src:linux (open, security, upstream): «linux: system freezes when dell-smm-hwmon reads fan speed»; severity: important; opened: 2017-07-25; last modified: 2017-08-09.
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07:05<jm_>tried upgrading the BIOS as bug says?
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07:08<mm11>jm_ I do not think the bug is in the bios, because on windows HWinfo32 the reading of the fan is read without freeze
07:08<jm_>mm11: you are the bug submitter?
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07:09<mm11>jm_ what?
07:09<mm11>In the strace_hwmon_fan1_output.txt file I noticed that there is a delay when doing these two operations
07:10<mm11>14:53:33.190385 read(3, "2837\n", 131072) = 5
07:10<mm11>14:53:35.115446 write(1, "2837\n", 5) = 5
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07:11<jm_>mm11: indeed, as pointed out by the debian maintainer commenting about it
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07:12<mm11>jm_ I am a simple user, proud to use debian
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07:15<user0>I copied my dot-folders to my homedir, but now I don't have access to the internet with thunderbird. Using enigmail. Access through the webmailer functions well.
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07:17<user0>"Thunderbird - Could not connect to mail server <name>; the connection was refused."
07:17<jm_>!connection refused
07:17<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address/TCP port at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
07:19<mm11>I also confirm that temporary freeze occurs when I open with thunar the folder that concerns dell_smm_hwmon "/sys/class/hwmon/hwmon2/"
07:20<mm11>jm_ I would like to know more in detail what this problem is about
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07:20<jm_>mm11: like written in the bug report, it's a kernel driver issue
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07:22<mm11>jm_ I understand this, but what debian troubleshooting tools does it make available to me?
07:22<jm_>mm11: sorry, I don't understand the question
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07:23<mm11>jm_ sorry, In addition to strace command, what tools do I have for troubleshooting?
07:24<jm_>mm11: why would you bother with anything else when strace clearly points out where the problem is (in read(2))
07:24<user0>I also have problems with copying .thunderbird resp. .idecode from archive/backup some times...
07:26<mm11>jm_ This is true, but it does not tell me in the source where I can find the bug
07:27<jm_>mm11: somewhere in the dell-smm-hwmon driver dealing with reads on "fan*_input" files
07:28<user0>may the problem caused by the fact that in .thunderbird .icedove are older copies, but named with an additional ending?
07:28<mm11>jm_ would like to tackle this problem together
07:30<jm_>mm11: try mentioning it on LKML
07:30<mm11>jm_ I'm using the kernel linux-image-4.9.0-3-686-pae. How should I consider this as an official source?
07:30<mm11>https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/hwmon/dell-smm-hwmon.c
07:31<jm_>mm11: once again, I don't understand your question
07:31<jm_>why are you looking at kernel files there instead of https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/ ?
07:32<mm11>https://github.com/torvalds is official channel of torvalds
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07:33<jm_>sure, but it's just a clone
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07:34<jm_>heh that thing seems to call into bios and provides timing info if one enables debugging
07:35<mm11>jm_ The link I sent you is not good? https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/hwmon/dell-smm-hwmon.c
07:35<jm_>mm11: naah, keep looking there if you feel like it
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07:36<mm11>jm_ naah is no?
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07:37<jm_>mm11: yes (the message says "all is ok, feel free to look at the file there)
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07:38<mm11>I sent you that link because I can not understand which version is the kernel that I use v4.9-rc8, ... rc7 ... etc
07:38<mm11>https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/refs/
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07:41<jm_>«apt-get source linux-image-4.9.0-3-686-pae» will get you source code
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07:43<mm11>jm_ I can find them manually in the repository online because I am now on another pc
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07:44<mm11>jm_ http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/
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07:45<jm_>easier to go to https://packages.debian.org/stretch/linux-image-4.9.0-3-686-pae and grab it from there
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07:49<mm11>jm_ I download this linux_4.9.30-2+deb9u3.debian.tar.xz but I not found dell_smm_hwmon src
07:50<jm_>mm11: dowload orig.tar.xz instead
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07:52<ullbeking>buself, and no resources
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07:53<mm11>jm_ I found it dell-smm-hwmon.c but searching "fan1_input" string, I found only this:
07:53<mm11>static SENSOR_DEVICE_ATTR(fan1_input, S_IRUGO, i8k_hwmon_show_fan, NULL, 0);
07:54<mm11>&sensor_dev_attr_fan1_input.dev_attr.attr, /* 8 */
07:54<jm_>yeah, you are unlikely to get help with those specifics here, my recommendation would be to ask on LKML
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07:56<mm11>jm_ https://pastebin.com/8c2HUZaP
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08:02<mm11>dell-smm-hwmon.c Copyright (C) 2001 Massimo Dal Zotto <dz@debian.org>
08:02<mm11>Is Massimo Dal Zotto present in this irc channel?
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08:03<vezult_>I'd like to set up encryption for one particular LV using preseeding, and a partman recipe
08:04<vezult_>is that possible?
08:04<vezult_>also, where the hell is the documentation?
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08:05<vezult_>and it clearly doesn't cover everything
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08:29<kukuruzar>Hi guys, since mozilla.debian.net can't update ESR firefox to current because of rust, I found this tutorial. Could you just take a look and tell me if i would be doing something unhealthy to my debian isntall? link: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-latest-firefox-browser-on-debian-9-stretch-linux
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08:30<MagicFab>kukuruzar, looks good but don't "Replace existing binary"
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08:36<MagicFab>kukuruzar, this is a bit nicer, it shows how to install newer version side by side without breaking your current system: http://libre-software.net/how-to-install-firefox-on-ubuntu-linux-mint/
08:36<MagicFab>kukuruzar, also check https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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08:57<sep>greetings. when i upgrade my moinmoin server to stretch i get problems with /usr/lib/python2.7/tarfile.py in debian jessie python-moinmoin provided it's own? tarfile.py in usr/share/pyshared/MoinMoin/support/tarfile.py , this file is not present in
08:57<sep>stretch python-moinmoin.
08:59<sep>problem happen when editing a twikidraw drawing. files are saved with 0 size and moin crashes.
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09:00<sep>should it be reported to python-moinmoin or libpython2.7-stdlib
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09:08<kukuruzar>MagicFab thanks! So if i understood correctly, this way as mentioned in the link you provided, the gnome's firefox launcher will then, because of the symlink, actually load new firefox, not esr?
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09:10<kukuruzar>And it updates automatically?
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09:17<kukuruzar>Hey guys, if i understand correctly, in time, Debian will probably run flatpak apps?đ
09:18<bremner>probably.
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09:19<kukuruzar>so then, basically, with canonical doing marketing for snappy, we won't be left behind if we use debian?
09:19<sdk>kukuruzar: Yes. it'll load the new firefox instead of ESR one. You could just name your symlinks "firefox-latest" and create a .desktop in /usr/share/applications. So you will have firefox-esr and firefox-latest.
09:19<kukuruzar>thanks sdk:
09:19<bremner>please don't recommend hand mucking with /usr
09:19<kukuruzar>bremner: ?
09:20<bremner>/usr belongs to apt. admins should use /usr/local for local changes
09:20<sdk>bremner: oh my bad. i mean local of course.
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09:23<bremner>or of course you can make your own .deb packages
09:25<kukuruzar>sdk: and firefox will then update automatically, i don't have to manually download every time there's a new version?
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09:31<sdk>kukuruzar: It should update automatically. I've never tried it myself. AFAIK when I go in Help > About Firefox it search if there's a new version.
09:33<kukuruzar>thanks sdk:, after having everything set up the way i like it in stretch, the firefox esr thing was basically the only thing going on my nerves. gotta love debian!
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09:42<W4RL0RD>Hello
09:42<W4RL0RD>Wanna start maintaining
09:42-!-W4RL0RD is now known as Guest1962
09:42<Guest1962>Where the hell are the packages?
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09:44<bremner>please calm down and ask an understandable question.
09:44<grove>!wnpp
09:44<dpkg>For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help.
09:44<W4RL0RD>I want to start maintaining right?
09:45<W4RL0RD>So i choose packages in need for help?
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09:45<bremner>if you want to maintain packages in debian, #debian-mentors is the best channel for that
09:45<grove>W4RL0RD: What packages? The list dpkg just mentioned could be a starting point
09:45<bremner>also that.
09:45<W4RL0RD>bremner, Ye forgot that ill go there
09:45<W4RL0RD>So apt-get source pkg name?
09:46<W4RL0RD>Ans start working?
09:46<bremner>well, it depends a lot on the current state of the package
09:47<bremner>also, if you know git, you may want to start with "dgit clone package"
09:47<W4RL0RD>I see
09:47<bremner>otoh, fewer people know that tech
09:47<bremner>life is complicated, as they say
09:47<W4RL0RD>If it's in wnpp every pkg source should be there right?
09:47<grove>No
09:47<W4RL0RD>I mean when i do apt-get source i get errors
09:48<W4RL0RD>Bit confused
09:48<grove>The wnpp list contains a lot of "I wish this was in debian"
09:49<W4RL0RD>So i have to build them and shit
09:49<W4RL0RD>To get them in debian?
09:49<grove>Yes
09:50<W4RL0RD>Cool
09:50<W4RL0RD>Now for the maintaining party
09:50<W4RL0RD>part*
09:51<W4RL0RD>All i do is see what packages need it and do apt-get source?
09:51<W4RL0RD>And the other stuff
09:51<grove>? What do you think maintaining entails?
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09:52<W4RL0RD>Improving the packages.
09:52<W4RL0RD>No?
09:53<grove>That's a very minor part
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09:54<W4RL0RD>What else do i do?
09:54<W4RL0RD>Besides the obvious
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13:33<Nicki>hi there... I have a problem with my mail client... Cannot log in anymore. I've been looking for other mailing clients, can you advise me one?
13:35<_kab>Thunderbird?
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13:37<mnuhmnuh>i preferred mutt (when i still did mail).
13:37<Nicki>_kab, I have Thunderbird... After I pasted my .thunderbird and .icedove folders to my $HOME, TB says "Could not connect to mail server <name>[I have several]; the connection was refused."
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13:38<Nicki>I also take a cmd-line mail-client, if encryption possible.
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13:39<_kab>I personally switched to web based groupware solutions
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13:39<mnuhmnuh>mutt's cli, does crypto, ldap, ...
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13:40*mnuhmnuh i think ldap's what i'm thinking of.
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14:00<jmcnaught>Nicki: can other programs connect to the mail servers that don't work from Thunderbird?
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14:16<Nicki>I can access my email with webmailer in firedfox.
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14:28<petn-randall>Nicki: I'd rather debug the issue before switching mail clients.
14:28<petn-randall>Nicki: Have you checked the actual error message and taken measures to fix it?
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14:29<voidcat>hello
14:29<voidcat>anyone here
14:30<towo`>no
14:30<voidcat>oh ok
14:30<towo`>only 791 bots
14:30<voidcat>yes
14:30<voidcat>anyway
14:30<voidcat>a friend of mine has an issue with bluetooth on debian
14:31<voidcat>no client detects his device
14:31<voidcat>it shows up in dmesg
14:32<voidcat>and "rfkill list" says it's not blocked
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14:42<gunix>is anybody on this chat actually using archlinux?
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14:43<retrospectacus>possibly you
14:43<cruncher>gunix, yes, thats why its called #debian
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14:44<gunix>might might be here to help people using debian, even if they are using a different distro ... there are also lots of debian based distros and people with knowledge from those distros could also help some debian beginners
14:44<voidcat>what
14:44<cruncher>gunix, true, btu even if, they wouldnt help ont his channel with archlinux issues
14:44<voidcat>^
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14:50<gunix>cruncher: the linux community is about sharing and love, no matter if you use ubuntu, fedora, redhat, debian, suse, arch or whatever. arch users will also hang on the arch channels, but if you have XP with another distro, why not help others? i, for example, share a lot of respect for debian. it managed to survive a lot of years and managed to have many sub-distros with great results.
14:50<voidcat>>the linux community is about sharing and love
14:50<voidcat>uh oh
14:51<cruncher>gunix, all right and fine. But the help a arch user can offer in #debian would be limited compared to a debian veteran
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14:51<cruncher>and here they/we concentrate only on debian distro
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14:51<cruncher>voidcat, he expressed the "how it should be" ;-)
14:52<voidcat>kek
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14:52<gunix>i used ubuntu/debian for 10 years and i still use a lot of ubuntu :D and debian 9 is really cool, i had it on my desktop for 1 month
14:53<gunix>does it matter if for example now i use another distro?
14:53<voidcat>yes
14:53<gunix>why ? :D
14:53<cruncher>gunix, as you say, we are here to help, voluntarely... but in this channel only debian, not ubuntu, not parrot, not kali, not rasp pi, only pure debian
14:53<voidcat>^
14:53<voidcat>that
14:54<gunix>so wait. people using other distros are unworthy to help other people, no matter if they know what they are doing or not?
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14:54<cruncher>and i mean of course you can connect with/use whatever you want, but talk/help only about debian
14:55<cruncher>gunix, no, dont twist words :)
14:55<gunix>ok, ok, got it. so help debian people without asking about other distros. sorry about that.
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14:59<Nicki>gunix, you don't need to shout out loud, which distro yoiu use; just help. Onyl help :_P
14:59<Nicki>*:-P
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14:59<Nicki>all, how to come to debian in a specific lanugage?
15:00<cruncher>and in case we this topic continues, it should be done in #debian-offtopic
15:00<gunix>Nicki: channel for specific language or change distro language?
15:00<Nicki>channel
15:00<cruncher>Nicki, you mean you want i.e #debian in in another language than english?
15:01<TobiX>Nicki: There are several language-specific channels for debian, ask dpkg about them...
15:01<cruncher>or check https://wiki.debian.org/IRC
15:01<Nicki>the hexchat irc. in german
15:01<TobiX>!de
15:01<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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15:01<gunix>uuh debian.de
15:02<gunix>joining now
15:02<gunix>this will be nice
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15:03<Nicki>TobiX, and how to join here in hexchat/irc? since now, i only used the defaults.
15:03<TobiX>Nicki: /join <channelname>
15:03<TobiX>Or use the UI...
15:05<cruncher>Nicki, i think you mean you want (only) the program hexchat in german?
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15:06<voidcat>i just use irssi
15:06<voidcat>i like irssi
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15:07<gunix>Nicki: wenn du einen deutschen channel für debian beitreten wills, versuch mal in der chatkiste "/join #debian.de" zu schreiben. das sollte klappen.
15:12<gunix>he did it. it's ok.
15:12<voidcat>ok
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15:18<Nicki>foudn it, thanks.
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15:28<aguitel>anyway to install firefox 55 ?
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15:31<jmcnaught>aguitel: there aren't any supported ways
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15:38<aguitel>jmcnaught: ok
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15:50<lolol>Someone tell me please how to install Cinelerra the latest version on Debian 32bits
15:50<lolol>Debian stretch alpha05
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15:51<Nicki>"#apt install cinelerra"...?
15:51<lolol>didn't find the package
15:51<Nicki>obviously not, that'S too easy, isn't it?
15:52<lolol>indeed
15:52<Nicki>written correctly?
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15:53<towo`>cinelera is not in debian
15:53<lolol>yea
15:53<towo`>there is no stretch alpha05
15:54<lolol>i had the alpha 05 version
15:54<Nicki>http://x.chip.de/intern/dl/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chip.de%2Fdownloads%2Fc1_downloads_auswahl_15810551.html%3Ft%3D1502394827%26v%3D3600%26s%3Dd0d8bc238f68e9d09408c3579586c4dc&pageLayout=noinstaller|e50 would be a possibility, but: you need JavaScript...
15:54<lolol>am still stuck in it
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15:55<lolol>lol wtf is that
15:55<Nicki>http://cinelerra.org/2015/index.php/2014-11-19-00-57-12/cinelerra ??? that would be too easy either... wouldn't it?
15:55<lolol>indeed
15:55<towo`>Nicki, don't suggest that
15:56<Nicki>OK. *undo*
15:56<towo`>no one here is supporting that
15:56<lolol>huh
15:57<towo`>btw, no changes since 2015, seems dead for me
15:57<lolol>still great
15:58<Nicki>may someone know about Thunderbird?
15:58<lolol>yeah it's a movie...
15:59<lolol>am so funny.
15:59<voidcat>yes
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16:05<itd>lolol: If you want cinelerra-cv you could try this: https://mcturra2000.wordpress.com/2016/04/28/compiling-cinelerra-cv-in-ubuntu-xenial/
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16:13<andres>!ops
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16:13<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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16:13<gunix>oh ffs
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16:13<voidcat>oh god
16:13<andres>!ops spam
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16:14<tsimonq2>!ops spam
16:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tsimonq2 complains about: spam
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16:14<compuguy>!ops spam
16:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: compuguy complains about: spam
16:15<voidcat>!ops spam
16:15<voidcat>>20:15 <dpkg> Someone already said that 9 seconds ago
16:15<voidcat>ok
16:15<stderr>Based on those "ads" I'm sooo going to join their network...
16:16<voidcat>>wazzup my niggers
16:16<voidcat>what a great ad
16:16*tsimonq2 sarcastically claps
16:16<compuguy>*sarcasm*
16:16<voidcat>!ops spam
16:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: voidcat complains about: spam
16:16<voidcat>there i did it yay
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16:19<itd>voidcat: I think they got it the first time. No need to call them again and again. ;)
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16:19<voidcat>itd: k
16:20<Nicki>will the ytry to crack my PC if I clicked on that deep web link?
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16:21<voidcat>Nicki: yes
16:21<Nicki>sarcastic?
16:21<voidcat>yes
16:22<Nicki>-.-
16:22<voidcat>i wouldn't go anyway
16:22<Nicki>:-D
16:22<Nicki>you heard about those "red rooms" in DW? :-D
16:22<voidcat>with that advertising it's pretty clear of what they are
16:22<voidcat>and yeah, i heard the concept
16:22<voidcat>never saw one
16:22<voidcat>don't want to see one tbh
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16:23<Nicki>i say they're fake. just strange humour of anyone like tbhrb
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16:24<Nicki>what dou you think the ad leads to?
16:24<itd>voidcat: Regarding your friends bluetooth issue: make sure that the device is set to be visible for other devices
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16:25<Nicki>gn8
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17:23<Ovni>oiiii
17:23<voidcat>hi
17:23<Ovni>Hi
17:23<Ovni>how are you
17:23<voidcat>i'm fine, what about you?
17:23<Ovni>all right
17:24<Ovni>where do you from
17:24<voidcat>middle of europe
17:24<Ovni>i am barazilian
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17:24<voidcat>cool cool
17:24<Ovni>sorry brazilian
17:24<voidcat>lol
17:24<voidcat>what time is it there
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17:25<Ovni>here is very critical politic and corruption
17:25<Ovni>more and more violence
17:25<Ovni>litle civil war
17:25<bremner>!chat
17:25<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
17:26<somiaj>please stick on topic, this is a debian support channel.
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17:28<voidcat>somiaj: aight
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18:25<grenville>hey all, I dropped by yesterday to inquire about some disappearing arrows on the scrollbars of mozilla programs. I was kindly advised that problem is with gtk3.0 and either to choose a theme which didn't default to gtk or to modify either ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css or /etc/gtk-3.0/settings.ini. The problem is that I have no theme that doesn't do away with the arrows and neither file exists. I think that
18:25<grenville>this is because I am using xfce with xdm login manager. Any suggestions
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18:26<petn-randall>grenville: Are you running stable?
18:28<grenville>petn-randall: I think that I'm running backports, is that called "testing". Sorry.
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18:31<grenville>petn-randall: it is stretch-backports.
18:33<petn-randall>grenville: Can you show us the output of 'apt-cache policy'?
18:33<petn-randall>grenville: Paste it to https://paste.debian.net
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18:37<grenville>petn-randall: sure hold on
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18:42<grenville>https://paste.debian.net/980845/
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18:42<grenville>petn-randall: sorry, that took ages, I'm such a newbie, I paniced.
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18:51<petn-randall>grenville: No problem. You sources.list looks ok, you are running stretch. What version of firefox are you running?
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18:53<grenville>petn-randall: the latest, but is there an easy way to find the number?
18:55<coruja>apt policy firefox-esr
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18:55<grenville>petn-randall: 52.2
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18:55<grenville>rbalint: thank you
18:56<grenville>I think that I need to learn this apt-policy command
18:57<petn-randall>,v firefox
18:58<judd>Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 55.0-2
18:58<petn-randall>,v firefox-esr
18:58<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.2.0esr-2; sid: 52.3.0esr-2
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18:59<petn-randall>grenville: I'm using firefox on xfce on stretch, too. Which theme are you using?
19:00<grenville>petn-randall: xfce 4.6
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19:01<grenville>I've scrolled through all the themes, it doesn't change nowt. I've obviously done something odd, but I can't figure out what.
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19:02<petn-randall>grenville: Just so we're on the same page, you looking at settings -> window manager -> style, right?
19:02<mustafa>hello
19:03<grenville>petn-randall: ah no, I was looking at settings -> appearence. In Window manager it is Kde1.
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19:05<petn-randall>grenville: I see. setting -> appearance -> style will only change the colour settings. Try setting another them in settings -> window manager -> style, try the "default-*" ones or "xfce".
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19:05<grenville>petn-randall: thanks, will do...
19:08<grenville>petn-randall: no luck, none of the styles seem to restore the arrows.
19:09<petn-randall>grenville: You might need to restart firefox for it to take effect.
19:09<grenville>ok,...
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19:13<Maarten_>im going trough all dotfiles just to learn whats what, i sorted most important stuff out, except i cant really figure out howto deal with /home/migrate/.local/share/keyrings it contains a login.keyring and a user.keystore i copied them together with all other dotfiles over to a new account but the applications running under this new user cant seem to access the stored keys.. so i started looking online for a command line tool to excess it content, without
19:13<Maarten_>succes, however i did find https://askubuntu.com/questions/65281/how-to-recover-reset-forgotten-gnome-keyring-password#65294 which explains how change to new password without knowing the old one. so im starting to doubt how safe it is to use the keyring at all. so 2 questions: can i see the content of both keyrings from command-line and how to prevent the ability to rested password without knowing the old one...
19:14<grenville>petn-randall: still no change.
19:18<coruja>grenville, have you tried this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269145#c17 (iirc this was suggested to you yesterday)
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19:20<grenville>coruja: I had a look, but I have no ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css file
19:20<somiaj>you can create a file if you don't have it
19:20<coruja>then create it yourself
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19:20<coruja>i have tried now and it works here
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19:21<grenville>somiaj and coruja , that sounds easy, I'll do that. Thank you so much. It was the 'put the followingb in' that through me. Chers
19:22<grenville>*cheers
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19:27<coruja>grenville, try first, then thank ;)
19:29<grenville>coruja: well, it worked, so many, many thanks. They are all modern and tiny, so I might have to do some more research to make it look all rustic, but, but, I've learnt something. Cheers
19:30<coruja>you're welcome
19:31<grenville>and thank you, petn-randall and everyone else. Now I'm off to bed. :)
19:31<coruja>maybe you want to rise the size of the scrollbar and its steppers from 13 to 20 or sth like that then
19:32<grenville>coruja: I was actually going to try that before bed. :) bye
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19:33<coruja>!next
19:33<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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19:36<parrot>hi everyone :)
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20:00<Maarten_>oke so appernetly ~/.local/share/keyrings is the gnome keyring... without using seahorse is their way to query the keyring from commandline?
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20:38<begriffs>What's the smallest possible installation of Debian stable? I'd like to put it on a new machine and then build it up myself to a more usable state. Wondering how to start with a system that is just able to boot up in text mode, access ethernet, provide the barest of standard unix commands, and the ability to install more packages.
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20:39<petn-randall>begriffs: Maybe 100MB? Just deselect everything when the installer asks what you want to install.
20:40<coruja>during installation, disable all software tasks to be installed, and append 'recommends=false' to the boot line for the installer
20:41<sney>for usability, I would generally leave the 'standard system utilities' checked in the installer, and it'll still come in under 1GB anyway
20:41<somiaj>begriffs: unsure on the size, but the netinstall will install a minimial system, though I think it is more around 500MB than 100.
20:42<begriffs>What does it count as standard system utilities? Of course I need a shell and file manipulation commands. Does it throw a lot of luxurious stuff in there too?
20:42<begriffs>coruja: nice tip about the recommends=false.
20:42<somiaj>!standard
20:42<dpkg>i heard standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
20:43<somiaj>begriffs: in most cases you will want recommended packages
20:43<begriffs>My goal is to have a system that's not actually broken, but that I can look at and understand exactly what each part does. And then add the missing pieces in.
20:43<coruja>begriffs, i usually install this way (though having to install quite a lot by hand afterwards), but you sound like you want it to be this way too
20:44<petn-randall>begriffs: It won't be broken, as those packages are marked as "essential".
20:44<begriffs>Yeah the goal is a learning experience, not the easiest way onto a new system. But not compiling my own kernel or LFS stuff, just debian, but pure.
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20:46<begriffs>OK, so the slimmest I can go is to uncheck all installer options and also pass in the boot flag to skip recommended packages.
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20:49<begriffs>I found this page that talks about running debootstrap manually, would that make an even smaller system, or would it be the same effect as the installer? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
20:50<coruja>installing by debootstrap is much more work by hand, with the result being quite the same i guess (but others may correct me)
20:50<sney>pretty much
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20:51<sney>though I wouldn't go with "much more" since once you're running debootstrap it's fairly automated
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20:53<coruja>i thought of fstab/mounts/binds and things like these
20:53<coruja>i think using the installer would be more comfortable
20:53<somiaj>begriffs: it won't be that much smaller, and debootstrap misses lots of stuff one needs like a kernel.
20:54<begriffs>OK, installer it is. Also is there a nice way to browse packages and see their list of dependencies and these "recommended" deps too?
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20:54<somiaj>apt-cache show packagename will list things
20:54<coruja>or apt depends <package>
20:55<begriffs>OK, well I'll just google around for that part, feel like I should probably read the manual more before bugging you all about that.
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20:57<somiaj>any reason why you are wanting sucha minimial install, is disk space a problem?
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20:57<somiaj>note I prefer a netinstall with standard utilties + ssh for the start of my installs then only install the packages I want, but I don't mind recommended packages for the most part.
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21:02<begriffs>somiaj: disk space is fine. I'd like to do a `find /` right after minimal installation and make a note to understand all the things on the system.
21:03<begriffs>(at least at a high level)
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21:06<begriffs>If it's manageable I'm thinking of writing an article about what the minimal system contains, and how to proceed to make the system useable. Could be kind of a part two of my "Ultra-Geek Linux Workstation Guide"
21:08<somiaj>I would consider the standard task a standard system to start with, you can get more minmial than that, but standard is fairly minimial
21:08<somiaj>!standard
21:08<dpkg>rumour has it, standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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