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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-08-13

---Logopened Sun Aug 13 00:00:11 2017
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00:30<king>hello,everybady
00:31<king>do you speak Chinese
00:31<king>?
00:31<king>hello?
00:31<jmcnaught>!cn
00:31<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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00:41<rob_415>hello world!
00:41<rob_415>parrot ?
00:43<jmcnaught>!parrot
00:43<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
00:43<rob_415>does it talk ?
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00:47<rob_415>be good
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01:05<xxzz>hi, what can I use to block CIDR based traffic in debian
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01:13<king>i can speak Chinese
01:14<king>do you speak Chinese
01:14<king>?
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01:26<xxzz>solly
01:26<xxzz>simplified Chinese = substitute r with l
01:29<xxzz>iptables can block a range of IP but I am trying to block several IPs listed in a text file with a simple rule
01:29<xxzz>in OpenBSD PF we use tables, it is convenient
01:30<xxzz>I am not sure whether anything of that sort exists in Debian or other Linux OS
01:35<Nemoder>might be easier with nftables
01:35<Nemoder>I think it has a function to load sets of data
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01:49<grove>!cn
01:49<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
01:52<xxzz>Nemoder: I think I got a clue and I will see if it works with IPTABLES
01:53<xxzz>a .db file can be hooked up with iptables
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02:17<xxzz>Okay, I think I managed my ?
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02:22<xxzz>not sure what kind of resources this will consume to block over 26K CIDR
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03:11<Jon1en3>Good morning. A easy one here, does Debian update install update to during netinstall?
03:11<Jon1en3>Wow sorry .
03:12<Jon1en3>Does Debian get updated during netinstall.
03:12<Jon1en3>?
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03:13<spacebug^>Jon1en3: yes, it will get the latest packages from internet during install
03:14<Jon1en3>thats great, more secure. Thx have a good night.
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03:20<annadane>at least, if you're on the same release
03:20<annadane>but that should be obvious
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03:23<bern>Hi! I try to instasll spotify on Debian testing. It needs the old libssl1.0.0, is there a proper way to have libssl1.0.2 installed parallel to libssl1.0.0? I would've thought it might be possible as so use those naming conventions. Or can I just symlink 1.0.0 to 1.0.2? Otherwise: What is the best way to solve the problem, except for not installing that terrible piece of software?
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03:25<xxzz>hmm I tried a loop but there is a netmask mistmatch
03:25<xxzz>I want a complete wildcard
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03:27<xxzz>for IP in $(cat blocklist | sort | uniq); do iptables -A INPUT -s $IP -d 0/0 -j DROP; done
03:27<xxzz>it wants host/network
03:28<xxzz>I will have to use ipset for CIDR & a loop for static IPs
03:30<xxzz>anyway enough for tonight
03:30<bern>How about adding wheezy repo with apt pinning, giving everything priority -1 and libssl1.0.0 500 (afair 600 is default for repos)
03:31<grove>bern: I've mostly stopped using spotify, but I would probably first try to trick it into using 1.0.2 by making 1.0.0 a symlink.
03:32<bern>that was my first thought, too, but I couldn't get ldconfig to use that symlink
03:33<bern>tried to link libssl.so.1.0.0 to libssl.so.1.0.2
03:33<grove>bern: If I remember correctly the libssl that was in wheezy was too old for spotify (but that might have been back in squeeze), back then I had to run it in a chroot or something
03:35<bern>package search states there are candidates up to jessie, gonna try that
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03:40<bern>using apt pinning seems to work
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03:50<bern>well it does play music ;). thank you grove for sharing your thought to that topic with me :)
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09:15<duglas>In Jessie I used "usbmount". In Stretch this has been dropped. What is the recommended method to mount usb thumbdrives?
09:15<bremner>I use pmount
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09:18<duglas>tks bremner.
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09:57<habs>hi, when doing an fsck on my ext4 luks-encrypted external hard drive, I get "Inode 130285579 has an invalid extent node (blk 521175040, lblk 0)" and then "Clear<y>?"
09:57<habs>would it be wise to choose 'y' for this to fix it?
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09:58<habs>when i try to mount it, i get "mount: /dev/mapper/luks-23654325-6192-4012-9604-5cc1654963bb: can't read superblock" and trying with e.g. -o sb=32768 doesn't help :-(
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10:00<grove>habs: The normal advice when it comes to the question fsck asks is: Unless you know what you're doing, take the default
10:00<petn-randall>habs: Sounds like your system crashed mid-write. Do you have backups of the data?
10:01<habs>petn-randall: The drive in question is my backup hard drive, I was trying to recover something from it
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10:01<petn-randall>habs: Usually choosing <y> is the right answer, but there's a small chance that data will get lost.
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10:04<habs>petn-randall: Thank you, selecting <y> for all the prompts fixed it!
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15:02<boy>hello
15:02<boy>can anybody help me
15:02<Nemoder>!ask
15:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:03<boy>i have a problem in package
15:03<boy>list
15:04<towo`>as long, as you don't tell your problem. no one will help
15:04<boy>i cant download application
15:04<boy>s
15:04<boy>lika cmatrix
15:04<towo`>and "i have a problem in package list" is saying zero
15:05<boy>or something like that
15:05<boy>sources list
15:05<towo`>"i can't" is even saying zero
15:05<towo`>paste your sources.list and state your real problem
15:05<boy>bro u want to help me or not
15:05<boy>ok
15:05<boy>wait
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15:09<dboles>yeah, sure, we actively want to spend half an hour ekeing out a full problem description
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16:05<guilherme>hi, I have installed arpon, but everytime my connection goes down the arpon service also stops but it does not restarts when the connection is up again. How can I configure it to restart with the connection? thanks
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16:07<ArlecchinoSec>this is kali irc chat
16:07<ArlecchinoSec>?
16:07<piper>!kali
16:07<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
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16:09<ArlecchinoSec>i hava an answer
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16:10<itd>guilherme: How did you configure your connection?
16:10<ArlecchinoSec>i create a payload named ,,test,exe .And i try to move / upload /etc he say : acces deniend .How to change user permmision without chown beaucause not work
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16:10<ArlecchinoSec>this answer is for debian
16:10<itd>ArlecchinoSec: No, this is not the "kali irc chat". Try #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net.
16:10<ArlecchinoSec>yea yea i know
16:10<ArlecchinoSec>but is debian
16:11<ArlecchinoSec>and i want to know
16:11<ArlecchinoSec>how to change perrmision on debian
16:11<piper>ArlecchinoSec: It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian.
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16:12<bw123>ArlecchinoSec: just don't change permissions on anything debian is fine without all that
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16:14<guilherme>itd: I do not know if I understood your question. I use the Network manager I guess.
16:15<bw123>anybody know anything about the parms in usb_storage driver or where I can get some info? Still trying to get an sdcard reader working.
16:16<guilherme>itd: I think that the problem relies on systemd with a sysV script. I was not able to write a new service (including the restart=always), since it always conflict with the original arpon script.
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16:19<itd>guilherme: Sorry for being ambiguous. You can ask network-manager to execute scripts for you, see 'man 8 NetworkManager'.
16:22<guilherme>itd: uhm, ok, thanks!
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17:14<mohammed>hi
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17:37<xaxlm>Hola
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17:45<annadane>xaxlm,
17:45<annadane>!es
17:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
17:45<annadane>anyone else saying hi who has a question, just ask
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18:02<Maarten_>after accidental upgrade to jessie 8.9 i noticed that my colorfull and nice looking notify messages turned to awful looking gray balloons .... im just wondering why/who changed that, was that made by debian, gtk3 or Mate?
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18:04<aguitel> try to boot debian live 9.01 , what user/passwd ?
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18:07<itd>aguitel: Maybe user/live.
18:07<aguitel>itd: is not working
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18:10<bw123>aguitel: what is not working, what are you trying to do that needs a pw on live system?
18:11<aguitel>login is not working
18:11<aguitel>login faild
18:11<bw123>aguitel: live logins are automatic, maybe you have bad media?
18:12<aguitel>they ask password to enter in system
18:12<aguitel>media i check
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18:14<L0rd_Kam0S>Hello i am installing debian 9.1 and its looking for network driver b43/ucode29_mimo.fw but i cant find it anywhere.
18:14<aguitel>need to add contrib non-free in sources.list
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18:15<itd>Maarten_: Have a look at /var/log/apt/history.log and try to figure out what was upgraded. (Maybe 'mate-notification-daemon'?)
18:16<L0rd_Kam0S>this is during the install screen
18:16<blast007>L0rd_Kam0S: can you install with a wired connection and then install the firmware later?
18:17<konata>Hi. I would like to know if there is a way to make wacom tablets work on wayland I use GNOME on Wayland and it doesn't detect it in the control panel. I also get 2 cursor when I try to use it and it doesn't work on any applications. It does work perfectly on xorg just not on wayland.
18:18<L0rd_Kam0S>blast007, i can
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18:19<blast007>the b43 firmware cannot be distributed by Debian, so it must be extracted from the Broadcom's binary drivers (via either firmware-b43-installer or firmware-b43legacy-installer, depending on which card you have, and both of which require a network connection)
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18:20<blast007>you can read more about it here: https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
18:20<bw123>L0rd_Kam0S: that fw is installed by a roundabaout thing called firmware-b43-installer
18:21<L0rd_Kam0S>so the only way is post install over ethernet?
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18:21<petn-randall>Maarten_: I'm upgrade from what to jessie 8.9?
18:21<petn-randall>Maarten_: The upgrade was from what to jessie 8.9?
18:22<L0rd_Kam0S>anyway thanks for the help
18:22<blast007>L0rd_Kam0S: that's the easiest method, anyway. I'm sure you could manually do it, or do it from another install or live DVD and copy the resulting files.
18:22<Maarten_>itd: oke thanks.. will have a look...
18:22<bw123>L0rd_Kam0S: you might be able to rip it look here
18:22<bw123>http://www.lwfinger.com/b43-firmware/
18:22<L0rd_Kam0S>is there a way i could make my own driver file for a later install?
18:22<L0rd_Kam0S>thanks
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18:24<Maarten_>petn-randall: actually i also never really understand why i was upgraded... i had debian jessie 8.8 i grabed the dpkg selection, then i migrate back to older backup (but also 8.8), did apt-get update and restored the selection and suddenly i was on jessie 8.9...
18:24<blast007>L0rd_Kam0S: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en (covers how to load extra firmware - note that not even the ISOs with non-free firmware include the b43 firmware)
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18:25<aguitel>anymore try to boot debian live ,no good
18:25<petn-randall>Maarten_: You understand that those point releases all belong to the same release? Everything 8.x is jessie, and it's just that every now and then the point release is bumped and new CDs are created.
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18:26<bw123>aguitel: did you set up a persistence partition and change the pw or what?
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18:29<aguitel>bw123: this debian live usb , why persisten partition need ?
18:29<Maarten_>petn-randall: yes and no... i understand its still Jessie, but i thought apt-get update was update in same point release, apt-get upgrade to newer point release and apt-get dist-upgrade to newer version...
18:30<blast007>apt-get update does not install packages.
18:30<aguitel>bw123: this is the file:debian-live-9.1.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso
18:30<bw123>aguitel: debian live doesn't need a pw to login, if it's asking you for one then it's bad.
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18:31<bw123>get rid of it
18:31<blast007>Maarten_: you are mistaken about all three subcommands.
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18:31<Maarten_>blast007: really? could you elaborate?
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18:32<blast007>Maarten_: 'man apt-get'
18:33<blast007>aguitel: the username is 'user' and the password is 'live'
18:33<aguitel>does not working
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18:34<aguitel>the image is correct , it means error in build process
18:35<aguitel>right?
18:35<blast007>I just tested with debian-live-9.1.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree.iso and it worked
18:36<aguitel>it ask only password
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18:36<aguitel>i type "live"
18:37<aguitel>return to same window asking again
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18:39<bw123>ah.. i do recall a bug wher you use ctrl-alt-f1 and wait
18:39<blast007>what is asking for a password?
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18:39<bw123>some live kde has an issue with X on vt7
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18:43<bw123>steve mcintyre (sp) asks help on the live kde https://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2017/07/msg00001.html
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18:45<aguitel>bw123: what problem is ?
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18:45<bw123>I couldn't figure it out, X alwasy launches on VT7 for some reason, if you use ctrl-alt-f1 it will launch a session on VT1
18:46<bw123>but the VT7 sessions stays open
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18:46<aguitel>i try tty but system freeze
18:48<bw123>the first one works with the above instructions debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-kde.iso
18:48<itd>aguitel: You could try to boot with 'nottyautologin' (see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865382#40 ) - or with another image.
18:48<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/865382 in debian-live (open): «Stretch KDE live image is not stable»; severity: important; opened: 2017-06-20; last modified: 2017-07-29.
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18:58<bw123>i used find on the whole kde live filesystem and could not find what is launching X on vt7 with --neverkill or whatever the flag is
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19:03<bw123>grep'd the heck out of it anyway, i gave up
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19:28<guilherme>how can I edit a service generated by systemd-sysv-generator?? It is a problem with the arpon. When the connection goes down then up the service is not restarted
19:29<Brigo>guilherme, i think you can't, systemd generates them from the init scripts. look there.
19:31<guilherme>Brigo: uhm, ok, thanks. So changing the question. How can I write an script so the service will be restarted when connection goes down?
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19:32<Brigo>guilherme, an init script can't do that, you need a daemon (like inetd) or a systemd init unit for that.
19:33<guilherme>Brigo: I tried adding a script on /etc/network/if-up.d with systemctl restart arpon.service but it was a really bad idea, because on boot time it needs the network
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19:34<Brigo>guilherme, arpon.service (witch i don't know) and /etc/network/if-up.d are not related.
19:34<guilherme>ok, should I keep the arpon.service and try to write a unit? is this correct?
19:34<Brigo> /etc/network/if-up.d are executed when you run ifup or ifdown command (or on boot if you use ifupdwon for managing your network)
19:35<Brigo>guilherme, keep in mind i don't know what arpon is, but i would say so.
19:38<guilherme>ok, no problem :) The arpon.service is: https://paste.debian.net/981241/ What is the difference between this file and the one I am suposed to create?
19:39<Brigo>guilherme, maybe that line 18?
19:41<guilherme>Brigo, Yes, but this file is automatically generated, everytime I change it goes back to this
19:42<Brigo>guilherme, you have to create it in /etc/systemd/
19:42<Brigo>guilherme, i have to go, good luck there :)
19:43<guilherme>thank you very much
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19:43<guilherme>I tried systemctl edit arpon.service, no luck
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19:46<bw123>guilherme: no luck why? what did you put in the override.conf?
19:47<guilherme>The same https://paste.debian.net/981241/ but now changed Restart=always
19:47<guilherme>it returns this on the status: systemd[1]: arpon.service: Service has more than one ExecStart= setting, which is only allowed for Type=oneshot services. Refusing.
19:47<bw123>under a [Service} section?
19:48<guilherme>yes
19:48<bw123>well you can override by including a blank execstart and then a real one
19:49<bw123>execstart= then newline execstart=<whatever the real service file has>
19:50<guilherme>sorry I do not understand. I think it conflicts con the automatic version generated by systemd-sysv-generator
19:50<bw123>yeah it might, i haven't tried that with sysv-generator
19:50<guilherme>you meant adding a ExecStart= on line 25?
19:52<bw123>no, all you need in the override.conf is a [service] section, a blank execstart= and the real execstart line and the restart=always
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19:52<bw123>4 lines
19:56<guilherme>like this https://paste.debian.net/981244/ ?
19:56<bw123>yes that's what overrides look like, but make sure mayching brace [Service
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19:58<guilherme>oh, ok, mine is correct, thanks
19:59<guilherme>I will test it and I will be back, thanks a lot
19:59<bw123>yeh thank god for systemd eh?
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20:01<mateo>hola
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20:08<guilherme>bw123, No it is not working, after disconecting and then connecting the arpon.service does not restart, it stays active, but (exited)
20:08<bw123>guilherme: don't know, look at the init script maybe restart instead of start?
20:09<guilherme>uhm, ok
20:09<bw123>reload? geez it should have a service file where did it come from?
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20:13<guilherme>Sorry, I think I missed some messages. what file are you asking?
20:13<guilherme>regarding the restart, I got: Restarting anti ARP poisoning daemon: arpon/sbin/start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 12308: No such process So I decided to go back to the "start"
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20:18<k-man>when i try and print a range of pages like 1-5 in evince, it just prints the last page
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20:41<jking2>hey folks, i have been trying to get wifi card rolling for a while and have met defeat. i now humbly bow before you, the linuxbeards, and ask for your help
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20:42<jking2>its an rtl8723de, cant find anything about getting this thing to work
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20:43<jking2>im getting the impression that its just too new to have support yet
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20:46<abrotman>dpkg: rtl8723de,
20:46<dpkg>abrotman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
20:46<abrotman>dpkg: rtl8723de
20:47<piper>jking2: thats a bluetooth/wlan conbo right, i don't think any version of linux as of august has firmware for that yet
20:47<abrotman>jking2: you've checked the linux-wireless site?
20:47<piper>combo*
20:47<jking2>yup i understand it to be the combo
20:48<jking2>linux-wireless, thats the compat-wireless/backport site i think, checking it again now just in case
20:48<piper>10ec:d723 should be the ID of that card
20:50<jking2>0bda:58ed Realtek Semiconductor Corp. and 0bda:b009 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. i think
20:50<jking2>also have 0bda:8813 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. but im 99% sure thats my external alfa awus1900
20:51<jking2>the b009 being the bluetooth component from what i understand
20:51<piper>hmm searching now
20:51<piper>ok first hit https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2367405
20:52<piper>then this, which i seen a few days ago https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/WLAN/Karten/Realtek/
20:52<jking2>yup, ive been hunting down that path to find linux-firmware-nonfree (under kali, not debian proper)
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20:54<jking2>hmm, i wonder why it doesnt match my device ids, the bottom of the laptop literally says rtl8723de, hmm..
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21:01<jvictors>I just want to say that I am very, very pleased with the performance and stability of Debian and XFCE on my Chromebook. It's absolutely beautiful and working exactly as I wanted. Thank you to everyone for your efforts.
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21:03<jvictors>I am literally running everything with about 20% of the resources of Windows 10 at idle. My HDD usage is low, my RAM usage is low, and Debian runs smoothly on this cheap mobile-like processor.
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21:50<rob_debian>Hi all, I've compiled some packages in debian through 'build-essential' compilation tool. I admit I did it not for any specific need, but just because I like to compile packages from their source codes
21:51<rob_debian>Please, my question is: is that useful compiling any package instead of simply using apt-get and aptitude for binaries already ready to be installed ?
21:52<rob_debian>any technical advantage on compiling in debian ?
21:52<rob_debian>any technical advantage about compiling in debian ?
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21:54<blast007>are you simply needing/wanting newer versions? or are you building the same versions and hoping it will be better optimized for your hardware?
21:55<iflema>rob_debian: if a setting/feature is not compiled in then it maybe avantages to compile from source... otherwise not really.
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21:57<iflema>rob_debian: you could strip things out (re)compiling... but the point here is to provide a set of packages with a sane default so you dont have to bother with that and save power etc.
21:57<rob_debian>Hi blast007 ! happy to see you again ! Hi iflema, nice to meet you here !:) in fact, just for curiosity, that's not the case of applications I've compiled here blast007 and iflema. I've compiled gthumb and pidgin, and both are available as stable binaries in debian stretch repository
21:58<rob_debian>at first, I suspected that compiled packages could provide a more light installation, but after your explanations, I realize I was wrong
21:58<blast007>you could do such things in a virtual machine so you don't complicate/break your main installation
21:59<rob_debian>a lighter installation, sorry, my english is still terrible :(
21:59<blast007>!diminishing returns on bogomips
21:59<dpkg>methinks diminishing returns on bogomips is where you spend more time compiling everything, but fare to gain less CPU time than you wasted in the first place. See also <diminishing returns>. Eg., Runtime savings vs compile time wasted.
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22:00<rob_debian>blast007, I have such lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib
22:00<iflema>rob_debian: it can sort of... but how keen are you? If you had a embedded device with a few functions you could strip things out and maybe have things more tuned to the hardware or remove uneeded software feaures.
22:01<iflema>but really grab a binary and go...
22:01<iflema>if you trust the source that is =)
22:01<rob_debian>it means: every stable and available binary has its corresponding source code package. I ask you: please, why is that necessary in debian such correspondind source code repositories ?
22:02<rob_debian>I see, iflema, thanks for analysis and explanation ! :)
22:02<Arrowmaster>source packages arent for normal users
22:03<iflema>rob_debian: if a Debian (binary) package has a feature missing you can rebuild it and toggle the feature
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22:03<iflema>rob_debian: but most likely not required
22:04<rob_debian>Hi Arrowmaster, nice to meet you here too !:) Well Arrowmaster, is there any specific risk on compiling in debian using the corresponding source code packages ( I always compile those who are available as binaries in stretch too)
22:05<blast007>if you compile packages yourself, you may end up having to keep track of updates yourself and rebuild from the new source package
22:05<rob_debian>hum, quite interesting this question, iflema...
22:05<iflema>rob_debian: it is indeed
22:05<annadane>rob for what it's worth your english is quite good
22:06<rob_debian>blast007, Arrowmaster and iflema, do you often build some packages from source in Debian Stretch ?
22:06<Arrowmaster>i never do
22:06<rob_debian>Hi annadane, happy to see you again here !!:)
22:06<blast007>mainly just for a project I'm a developer for
22:06<iflema>rob_debian: I cant recall ever rebubiling a Debian package. I have in Arch linux, Gentoo and Slackware.
22:07<rob_debian>oh, I see, blast007, Arrowmaster and iflema...I use always slackbuilds, but it's quite necessary in the case of my Slackware here
22:07<iflema>it has a lot of packages
22:07<iflema>rob_debian: I only have one for slackware... weechat =)
22:08<rob_debian>Please, annadane, do you often do the same as blast007, iflema and Arrowmaster, about not compiling in Debian ?
22:08<iflema>mad blast form the past...
22:09<rob_debian>except for in some special occasions, like blast007 example....
22:09<annadane>i don't compile
22:09<annadane>should learn how to
22:10<blast007>!greenhouse
22:10<dpkg>Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian!
22:10<blast007>;)
22:10<annadane>but for a user like me with little needs i don't necessarily have to
22:10<annadane>lol
22:10<iflema>rob_debian: building a Kernel is a thing
22:10<iflema>Debian makes it rather easy
22:10<Arrowmaster>i did that years and years and years ago, never again
22:10<iflema>but again... not really required. Maybe for some newer hardware.
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22:12<rob_debian>oh, I see annadane, well, I know it will be considered naivety for you, but I like to compile in Debian, as I would like to compile in FreeBSD, but in Debian, everything catches my eye because it is my preferred OS along with Slackware (well, the 1st one is always Debian Here ...)
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22:13<rob_debian>oh, I see, annadane, that should my case too ! I'm still quite newbie in Debian, despite the fact I Love this OS !!
22:14<rob_debian>I see iflema, building the kernel is a more specific task that should justify this process, anyway...
22:15<annadane>i find compiling in a system like debian where it's optional compared to for instance slackware where it's expected basically falls into 2 categories, needing functionality you wouldn't normally have or fixing a specific technical problem
22:15<annadane>in any case, getting off topic
22:15<rob_debian>fine, blast007, so, in my case it will not really necessary here, for I'm not a debian developer
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22:15<rob_debian>I see annadane, understood you :)
22:16<rob_debian>fine, Arrowmaster, so if you gave up compiling for a long time, I don't need to continue compiling here in my Stretch
22:18<rob_debian>well, thanks a lot for help, information and assistance, blast007, annadane, iflema and Arrowmaster, Always happy and pleasured when I can talk to you ! As I always say: Debian Warriors are the Best !!
22:18<rob_debian>Really thank you !
22:18<n0rthlight>good evening I notice multiple of this in my log DST=158.69.223.100 LEN=76 TOS=0x10 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=9656 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=43862 DPT=123 LEN=56 going to multiple address but mostly in my country, what worries me is the port 123, anybody knows if it could be a regular debian app doing so?
22:19<n0rthlight>I read it could be related to NTP ?
22:19<Arrowmaster>n0rthlight: thats NTP
22:20<n0rthlight>It run even if its off in the options?
22:20<n0rthlight>Under Cinamon
22:20<n0rthlight>network time off.
22:21<n0rthlight>well I just got that log rg.cinnamon.SettingsDaemon.DateTimeMechanism'
22:21<n0rthlight>I guest its a answer from the god of irc? :P
22:22<n0rthlight>One last thing then avahi Daemon what do i Lose killing that monster?
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22:24<n0rthlight>Arrowmaster thanks you by the way. One get paranoid reading the logs for to long.
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22:37<annadane>so i guess i'll ask this generic question...
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22:39<annadane>i've looked on the internet and i still haven't found the answer to this (it's not in the install manual), but for the list of desktop environments preceded at the top with the "desktop environment" checkbox, i know if you tick that by itself you get GNOME, but is it necessary to tick that and then the DE of your choice? or can you leave that alone
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22:49<annadane>i'm sure i could test this in virtualization anyway
22:50<n0rthlight>I was wondering the same thing 6 hours ago and didnt and shocked
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22:51<n0rthlight>I wish there was a simple way no to install all the games and extra's.
22:51<annadane>n0rthlight, you left it unticked and it didn't work?
22:53<n0rthlight>I left desktop environment check but not the last one.. Cant recall it however got the same number of package 1347 if my memory is right?
22:53<n0rthlight>then having it check.
22:53<annadane>oh, standard system utilities? that's the last checkbox in the list
22:53<n0rthlight>yeah
22:53<n0rthlight>thats the one.
22:53<annadane>yeah it's recommended you have that one checked
22:54<annadane>i just wonder about that desktop environment checkbox... really ought to be fixed for the buster installer
22:54<n0rthlight>I can see shh client was not install so I know it worked however same numbers of package then regular install?
22:54<n0rthlight>Oh my bad..
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22:54<annadane>i guess you can leave it unchecked if you know what you're doing but most users would want that
22:55<n0rthlight>Yeah I am not versed enough to do that yet.
22:55<n0rthlight>I learned faster in 1 month of Debian then 1 years of ubuntu tho hehe.
22:57<n0rthlight>How technical is activating Selinux?
22:58<annadane>n0rthlight, i guess that's a subjective question but there's https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux and more specifically https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup
23:00<annadane>i personally have not started with selinux because i don't have a specific need for it and i'd like the things i have to be there for a purpose beyond just "i want more security"
23:00<annadane>i sort of trust the default debian setup is adequate for most cases
23:02<n0rthlight>annadane Its my hobby atm getting thing secured and private.
23:02<n0rthlight>But reading the page you sent me.. I aint feeling ready yet hehe.
23:02<annadane>i suppose someone who's actually done it can explain whether it's a huge pain in the ass or not
23:03<annadane>or just search the internet for "how difficult is selinux"
23:03<n0rthlight>I used it in Fedora it a nice touch it was implanted.
23:04<n0rthlight>annadane let me try that.
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23:14<annadane>i think i've asked this question before and people have said it needs to be checked
23:14<annadane>so maybe i'm just repeating myself
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