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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-08-15

---Logopened Tue Aug 15 00:00:13 2017
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00:12<xaxlm>perfect
00:12<xaxlm>bye
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00:46<montty19>hola
00:46<annadane>!es
00:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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01:36<n0rthlight>Annadane should a bug in lets say rkhunter be reported to debian or rkhunter from what I read it would be created by Debian?
01:38<annadane>well if you're using the package from debian you'd file a bug against the package rkhunter in debian
01:39<n0rthlight>thank you.
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01:39<annadane>because yes, it's packaged for debian thus it has a maintainer who does the packaging
01:40<n0rthlight>Perfect thanks.
01:42<iflema>n0rthlight: make sure it is a bug and not you (maybe its been fixed upstream) and make sure that no existng bugs exist - if it does tag onto it.
01:43<iflema>s/existng bugs/existing bug reports
01:43<n0rthlight> I will look for it. Yeah it was not created by me for once.
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01:43<n0rthlight>100% :P
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01:45<iflema>DOR attack... Denial Of Release due to flood of bug reports
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01:57<n0rthlight>The bug was actually I security update from debian.
01:57<n0rthlight>recent
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01:57<n0rthlight>Preventing Rkhunter to update itself.
02:01<n0rthlight>I was just about to fix to let it update when I read it.
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02:42<Drzacek>Hi
02:43<Drzacek>I'm installing debian now, I choose guided LVM partitioning with encryption - how can I now change the partitions size?
02:44<Drzacek>still in installer/partitioning window, I see he wants to assign most of the space to /home, while I would like a little bit more to the swap and /
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02:56<n0rthlight>there is a option to set it up yourself no the last one if I remember ?
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07:11<cef>I'd like to run a specific command when I press a certain key sequence, whether X is running or not, using a systemd target (eg: like the ctrl-alt-del target, but another group of keys, eg: Ctrl-Alt-Ins, or Ctrl-Alt-Home or something). Any thoughts how I'd define that? basically I want to use this like a hot debug key to capture some system state, usually when something has gone wrong.
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07:14<Nism0>hey guys
07:14<Nism0>I'm having a problem with nvidia drivers at fresh Debian Jessie installation
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07:15<Nism0>I followed debian guide at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
07:15<Nism0>and after reboot
07:15<Nism0>the resolution is better
07:15<bremner>not directly relevant, but why install jessie now? it's oldstable
07:16<Nism0>but seems like my Debian is still not using nvidia drivers
07:16<Nism0>bremmer: what's the difference? It doesn't really matter what version of Debian I'm using
07:16<Nism0>the Debian tut should work the same for all debian relieses
07:16<Nism0>nvm
07:17<bremner>as I said, not directly related to your question.
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07:17<Nism0>oh, ok. ur right
07:17<Nism0>anywya
07:17<Nism0>*anyway
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07:17<bremner>but suggests maybe your overally experience could be improved by using the current stable release
07:17<Nism0>I can't even run nvidia-xconfig
07:18<Nism0>nvidia-settings seems to be "empty" (nothing important there)
07:18<Nism0>What may go wrong in such a simple installation?
07:19<Nism0>lsmod doesn't show any nvidia or even noveau module loaded
07:19<Nism0>Xorg.0.log doesn't say too much about nvidia modules
07:19<Nism0>nor drivers
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07:23<tomasz>apt-get install firmware-misc-nonfree
07:24<tomasz>maybe
07:24<Nism0>tomasz: co mi to da?
07:24<piper>Nism0: nvidia-xconfig is deprecated
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07:24<Nism0>piper: but Debian tutorial says to run it after installation of nvidia driver
07:25<piper>Nism0: my bad, that is sid, but, still not sure you need that in todays world
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07:25<tomasz>Nism0: jaką masz kartę
07:26<Nism0>tomasz: GeForce Nvidia GTX750TI
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07:30<Nism0>something wrong is happening with my Debian
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07:30<Nism0>i'm getting 230 bps while downloading a package ...
07:32<tomasz>Nism0: http://www.nvidia.com/content/DriverDownload-March2009/confirmation.php?url=/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/334.21/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-334.21.run&lang=us&type=geforcem
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07:33<piper>tomasz: that is a very bad move in debian
07:35<Nism0>tomasz: I don't need and even want Nvndia's proprietary drivers
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07:35<Nism0>and as piper said, it's not the "Debian way" move
07:36<tomasz>OK
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07:37<piper>Nism0: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers the link you posted are proprietary drivers :) in case you didn't know
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07:38<Nism0>piper: ur right, but I meant manufacturer's drivers
07:38<piper>:P
07:38<Nism0>I called them wrong "proprietary"
07:38<piper>hrhr
07:39<Nism0>btw
07:39<Nism0>my fresh installation of Jessie is pretty slow
07:39<Nism0>may it be so because I used unetbooting to create bootable usb stick under Windows?
07:40*Nism0
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07:40<piper>hmm catching up here, and seen this, ‎[‎8/15/17 7:17 am‏] ‎<‎bremner‎>‎ but suggests maybe your overally experience could be improved by using the current stable release
07:40*Nism0 know's that's the bad way of making bootable usb debian stick
07:40<piper>ouch unetboot
07:41<Nism0>so...
07:41<Nism0>maybe I'll try to install Debian 9
07:41<piper>i will repeat what ‎bremner says maybe your overally experience could be improved by using the current stable release :P\
07:41<Nism0>but w/o unetbootin
07:42<piper>use dd
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07:44<Nism0>yup
07:44<Nism0>btw
07:44<Nism0>why previous releases were named Debian GNU/Linux and since Debian 6.0 they're "only" Debian?
07:44<piper>something like dd if=debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sxy bs=4M; sync where sxy is your stick, might want to change the name of the .iso also, as their have been updates i believe, i run unstable so not sure
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07:48<piper>nism0, gnu is all the software etc, linux is the kernel, maybe to just shorten the name or something like that, it's universal ;)
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07:51<Nism0>sounds good ;D
07:51<bremner>Nism0: I believe it had to do with the existence of Debian GNU/kfreebsd
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07:53<Nism0>how much does it take dd to write ~700 MB iso file?
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07:54<grove>Nism0: What do you mean? It takes ~700MB disk space
07:54<Nism0>how much time does it take
07:55<grove>That depends on the speed of your discs
07:55<piper>depends, usb1,usb2,usb3
07:55<Nism0>more or less?
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07:55<Nism0>i've got usb3 stick
07:56<piper>anywhere from 1-4 minutes
07:56<grove>This weekend I dd'ed a lot of dvd's onto an NFS drive, it took 15-20 minutes per disc
07:56<piper>that is a small iso
07:57<piper> i do a 1.8 gig of our distro in under 2 minutes
07:58<piper>2.5 gig in under 4
07:58<piper>usb3
07:59<Nism0>I'm writing ~700 iso with dd and it's over 5 minutes ;>
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08:05<Guest2468>Hello ! I have an annoying issue related to networkmanager, it automatically changes my DNS settings even though I don't want it
08:05<Guest2468>i put dns=none in NetworkManager.conf
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08:05<Guest2468>but it recently became useless
08:06<itd>Nism0: Maybe a USB 1.0 port? (Data rate around 1.5MB/s, so 7-8min for 700MB.)
08:06<rebbdohr>does someone know where i can see, when a certain package will be moved from testing to stable?
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08:07<bremner>rebbdohr: tracker.debian.org/thepackage
08:07<bremner>oh. well, no.
08:07<grove>rebbdohr: Packages doesn't move into stable automatically
08:07<cef>Nism0: if you have it installed already, why not just upgrade? or is that an issue re: download speed?
08:07<bremner>rebbdohr: mostly at the next stable release
08:08<itd>Guest2468: 'recently'? What changed?
08:08<bremner>rebbdohr: what package in particular are you interested in?
08:08<rebbdohr>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/php-crypt-gpg
08:09<rebbdohr>i need it for roundcubes enigma plugin
08:09<Guest2468>itd, my resolv.conf used to stay the same until recently it was taken over again by networkmanager
08:09<Guest2468># Generated by NetworkManager
08:09<Guest2468>is at the beginning
08:10<Nism0>cef: upgrading distro is often a hidden source of problmes
08:10<Nism0>*problems
08:10<bremner>rebbdohr: you might ask the maintainer about a backport
08:10<grove>rebbdohr: If there is a serious problem in the version in stable, an update might go into a point release of stable, otherwise new versions won't go in and you'll have to wait for the next stable release. Considering the stretch is still <2 months old, I don't think anybody can say more than "we guess that will happen in 2019"
08:11<Guest2468>in fact it seems that dns=none is not working
08:11<Nism0>I'd prefer to install it from the beginning
08:11<rebbdohr>grove: 2019 would be quite a long wait ;)
08:12<Nism0>anywya
08:12<Nism0>dd has done so I'm going to test it
08:12<Nism0>ttyl
08:12<Nism0>Thank you guys ;)
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08:13<rebbdohr>@bremner should be the best option
08:13<Guest2468>maybe it is an issue with net
08:13<Guest2468>sorry network manager
08:13<itd>Guest2468: Did you upgrade/install/remove any package?
08:14<Guest2468>I might have upgraded but don't recall
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08:17<rebbdohr>actually the package is not in stretch at all, so hopefully the new version will be added
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08:17<bremner>rebbdohr: no, a new package almost certainly won't be added to stretch
08:18<rebbdohr>its not a completely new package, just a newer version
08:18<rebbdohr>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php-crypt-gpg
08:18<bremner>I thought you said it wasn't in stretch.
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08:19<bremner>if so, it's new to stretch, which is what matters
08:19<rebbdohr>ah ok
08:20<bremner>you can also try backporting it yourself, although then you have to deal with security updates yourself
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08:22<rebbdohr>never done this... i wrote an email to debians php pear maintainers if they are planning to do a backport
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08:28<Guest2468>oh i noticed that resolv.conf was a symlink
08:29<Guest2468>weird
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09:09<quinerr>hi, i'm developing a system configure tool for debian. how do you get root permission for such usage?
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09:12<grove>quinerr: There are no usages that have special ways to get any permissions
09:13<quinerr>?
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09:14<grove>quinerr: If your tool needs o run as root to perform it's ask, document that. Then it's up to the user of your tool to make sure it is run as root (it also is if you don't document it, but it's hard for the user to know in that case)
09:14<grove>s/ o / to /
09:14<grove>s/ ask / task /
09:14<quinerr>i know, but gui tool...
09:14<Zimsky>what's a gui?
09:15<grove>I wonder if it need a keyboard with a better t-key
09:15<quinerr>would you suggest polkit+dbus?
09:15<gusfer>if it is in gnome, you can use gksu
09:16<quinerr>but it's said gksu is going to be removed...
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09:20<BGenc>Greetings! I am trying to let a remote user into our network just as if they were in the same place as us. That is, being able to connect to printers etc. Main purpose is to let them use our accounting server, but because of some bizarre reason with their location they are unable to reach the ports needed. But, they are able to use any other port, including VPN. I tried to setup a PPTP server on m
09:20<BGenc>y Windows Server 2012, and although it does connect to the network, the subnet is blocked to 255.255.255.255 so it is useless for me. I also have a debian server which I thought I can utilize to solve this. It would be great if the normal web traffic can be separated and not tunneled by VPN, as our purpose is not privacy of their traffic but to be able to connect our server. Do any of you know whe
09:20<BGenc>re should I start? Any keywords that I need to know to look for? Thanks!
09:22<quinerr>so how do you share your printer?
09:22<BGenc>I don't, currently.
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09:22<BGenc>Normally other users in my country can connect to open ports on my static ip
09:23<BGenc>but the person that wants to connect is from Iran, and because of some potential blocking the port i need is blocked
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09:23<gusfer_>distribution
09:23<BGenc>The accounting program don't let me change the ports
09:23<quinerr>you share your printers via M$ netbios?
09:24<BGenc>No printer was just an example, I don't share them externally, they are only local
09:24<BGenc>My windows server is the one who contains the accounting program
09:25<BGenc>but as I can't open the port I needed for it, I'm thinking of using a vpn to connect to the network and reach internally
09:25<quinerr>you only want to share some *particular* services?
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09:25<BGenc>yes
09:26<quinerr>if yes, maybe port forwarding is more suitable for you.
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09:26<BGenc>That makes sense, but here is the issue
09:26<BGenc>for some reason, port 3055 is accessible in Turkey (my country) yet not accessible in Iran
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09:27<quinerr>why not port-forwarding to another port, say 12345
09:27<gusfer_>I've been reading about debconf internals, and I saw some references for a debconf python module which I can't find neither in debian repo nor in python package index (PyPI).
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09:27<BGenc>I did, but I think there is a port like 3050 that also needs to be accessed, and I can't make the client connect to that
09:27<BGenc>that is somewhat immutable
09:27<gusfer_>The man page for debconf-devel says: "Perl programmers can use the Debconf::Client::ConfModule(3pm) perl module, and python programmers can use the debconf python module."
09:28<gusfer_>Does anyone know what happened to this module/package?
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09:28<BGenc>Only I can make the client think that they are connecting to 3050, but actually make them connect to 4050 or something...
09:29<quinerr>hmm, is it possible to make remotes do port-forwarding in their clients?
09:29<BGenc>I don't know if that's possible
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09:31<quinerr>what did you mean by 'the subnet is blocked to 255.255.255.255 so it is useless for me'?
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09:32<BGenc>well the device shows up in my network, but their IPv4 settings has that subnet, so it cannot see the server in the network
09:32<quinerr>i don't think there is an easy way to separate web traffic once you use vpn
09:33<BGenc>I feel like if they use any vpn they'll overcome this issue
09:33<BGenc>maybe their router is blocking that or something i don't know
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09:33<quinerr>what ip did they get
09:33<BGenc>they got 192.168.2.8 and server is at 192.168.2.200
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09:36<quinerr>maybe your problem is just the wrong mask?
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09:37<BGenc>Yes, but I just can't find the solution for it
09:37<quinerr>network mask only affects default route, not other
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09:37<BGenc>what do you mean?
09:38<grove>Every route has a mask
09:39<quinerr>even with a wrong mask, with proper configure in route (enabling route forward in Linux, for example), you can still touch other hosts in the network.
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09:40<quinerr>did you enable 'share network' (or sth like this) in your windows server?
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09:40<BGenc>I didn't see it, lemme check
09:40<BGenc>I'm not really comfortable with windows server, it has its own way of doing things
09:41<quinerr>so why not use your debian server
09:41<duclicsic>BGenc: are you just trying to give a remote user access to services within a LAN?
09:42<BGenc>yup
09:42<duclicsic>and you said you already got them connected to a pptp server?
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09:42<BGenc>did it through the windows server, yes
09:42<duclicsic>but you weren't able to reach said services?
09:43<duclicsic>did you attempt some basic diagnostics like trying to ping the host you're attempting to connect to?
09:44<BGenc>I basically made the client app connect like they were connecting locally, with local ip and port
09:44<duclicsic>ok ok, it's a printer right? what is the IP of the printer?
09:44<duclicsic>or did i make that up
09:44<duclicsic>what is the IP of the thing they are trying to use?
09:45<quinerr>maybe you can draw a topology graph for your current network
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09:45<BGenc>I actually think I found what I needed
09:45<duclicsic>quinerr: it sounds fairly simple tbh, a lan with a single internet connection and some remote user
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09:45<BGenc>next to the VPN setting, there is something called DirectAccess
09:46<duclicsic>hold up there
09:46<BGenc>Apparently that fits perfectly what I want
09:46<duclicsic>i would suggest dropping pptp entirely and going for something like openvpn
09:47<BGenc>would open vpn solve that?
09:47<duclicsic>solve what?
09:47<BGenc>connect to the network, not just tunnel it
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09:47<BGenc>tunnel the web traffic, i meant
09:48<duclicsic>i don't know what you mean
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09:48<quinerr>duclicsic: everything can go wrong, especially for networking
09:48<duclicsic>when you connect to a vpn you can choose what routes you install.. if the purpose of the vpn is to provide access to some remote LAN then you configure it to only install a route for that network
09:49<duclicsic>all other traffic will take your regular default route
09:49<duclicsic>this is true of basically all vpn software
09:49<BGenc>by default route, what route do you mean?
09:49<duclicsic>openvpn is particularly configurable though
09:49<quinerr>in that sense, m$ pptp server is especially hard to configure
09:49<BGenc>lets say the client is at location A and server is at B
09:49<duclicsic>i mean exactly that, the "default" route. 0.0.0.0/0.
09:50<BGenc>oh so pptp is not really meant for this, right?
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09:50<duclicsic>pptp is exactly meant for this
09:50<duclicsic>it's just old and shit
09:50<duclicsic>there are better solutions now
09:51<BGenc>open vpn and certificates scare me, that's the only reason i stay away from it
09:51<duclicsic>BGenc: you can do it with a pre-shared key. both client and server get the same key and just need to refer to it in their config
09:51<duclicsic>it's not the most secure way to do it, but it works
09:51<BGenc>i guess I can give it another shot
09:51<quinerr>pptp is not shit, m$ service config is shit
09:51<duclicsic>and it's probably still more secure than pptp
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09:52<duclicsic>quinerr: pptp has poor security
09:52<BGenc>can i configure it to not tunnel web traffic though? our upload speeds are crap, like 0.8mbps crap
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09:52<duclicsic>"web traffic" means nothing in this context
09:52<quinerr>i said no easy way
09:52<quinerr>that how vpn works
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09:53<duclicsic>BGenc: what you mean is that you only want the traffic specific to the remotely accessed service to go over the vpn?
09:53<duclicsic>you do this with your routing table
09:53<BGenc>yes
09:54<duclicsic>if the LAN uses 192.168.1.0/24 then upon connecting of say an openvpn client it will install a route like "192.168.1.0/24 dev tun0"
09:54<duclicsic>(if you configure it that way)
09:54<duclicsic>all traffic that is not destined for that range will not go over the vpn
09:54<duclicsic>it will go via your existing default gatewazy
09:54<BGenc>what should i google to find a tutorial for it?
09:55<duclicsic>well, it sounds like you could do with a primer on basic routing first, without an understanding of that you'll struggle
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09:56<duclicsic>but i've been going back to the offical openvpn "howto" page for years now, when i need a reminder of some config
09:56<duclicsic>it has all you need to get started
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09:56<BGenc>I surely will.. let me set up an openvpn server first, connect the client, and then I'll look for all the port forwarding details
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10:21<rmx>Any body here... New to Kali but really want to get my hands on CEH
10:21<grove>!kali
10:21<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
10:22<BGenc>it made me smile to see that there is a shortcut for that haha
10:23<rmx>dpkg thanks for the info, will go on and seek help
10:23<dpkg>no problem, rmx
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10:36<guardian>hello, I need a hand please. I'm upgrading a wheezy box to jessie. And I noticed dist-upgrade installed linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae and after dist-upgrade running aptitude search '~i(!~ODebian)' lists the current kernel linux-image-3.2.0-4-686.pae
10:37<guardian>so I'm confused: why is the kernel installed by dist-upgrade 3.16 < 3.2?
10:37<guardian>whye is the current kernel listed as a non pure Debian package?
10:37<guardian>and more importantly what can I do about the situation?
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10:39<Blacker47>guardian, 16 is biger then 2.
10:39<grove>3.16 > 3.2 - version numbers don't follow the rules of maths but are just a numbers of integers seperated with .
10:39<guardian>oh right sorry for being a noob
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10:40<guardian>why is 3.2 listed as non debian package then?
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10:43<guardian>I have another question if you don't mind. I installed mariadb from their repository because it only landed in Debian with jessie. Now that I'm upgrading from wheezy to jessie, what's the proper way to have mariadb-server and mariadb-client installed from debian repositories?
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10:45<coruja>guardian, i suppose you have disabled wheezy entries in sources.list, so apt can't know about the origin of 3.2 (as it's not in jessie anymore)
10:45<guardian>I indeed renamed wheezy ot jessie in apt sources
10:46<coruja>just being curious, why not another dist-upgrade to current stable stretch?
10:48<coruja>(before fiddling with database software, which i would uninstall old non-debian versions of in advance)
10:48<guardian>I thought I'm better off taking mariadb from jessie, then let it upgrade with dist-upgrade to stretch
10:48<guardian>instead of trying to convey old packges from wheezy to stretch
10:49<guardian>e.g. when I purge libmariadbclient18
10:49<guardian>it has impact on exim4 and php5-mysql
10:49<coruja>dist-upgrades work the better the less packets are installed actually
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10:50<coruja>pls provide pasted logs/command output
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10:56<coruja>guardian, at first, in any case, i would recommend creating backups of your databases, and when uninstalling i would prefer remove to purge to keep your configs (which should be backuped too)
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10:56<guardian>oh I'm doing all that in a virtualbox vm, to replicate the real vox
10:56<guardian>s/vox/box
10:57<coruja>i see
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10:58<guardian>so I have libmariadbclient18 that's still from mariadb's wheezy repositories. Is there a way to tell apt-get to replace libmariadbclient18 by libmysqlclient18 from jessie, WITHOUT uninstalling exi4m-daemon-heavy and php5-mysql?
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11:00<coruja>as you are testing in a vw anyway, you could let packages go and try to re-installed the needed ones afterwards
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12:42<melvin>Whiich is the best open-source flash player?
12:43<bremner>abstinence is the best flash policy
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12:43<melvin>Thanks, i'll check it out...
12:43<bremner>otherwise, I think you're most likely stuck with the latest proprietary crap for some sitest
12:43<bremner>the first was (an attempt at) a joke
12:44<melvin>I see...the proprietary flash players are not available in stretch :(
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12:45<coruja>bremner, no joke but truth :)
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12:53<_kab>Flash for Linux isn't supported anymore
12:54<_kab>So go Chrome if you really need it
12:54<_kab>It's the only way to get a relatively recent and secure version
12:54<_kab>Not open source though
12:54<bremner>ah, that's a good-ish suggestion.
12:56<_kab>And I thought I get slaughtered here for suggesting proprietary software ;)
12:57<bremner>well, that's my point above: when you really need flash, it seems like the free options are not working well these days.
12:57<Naksu>i would argue that they never worked
12:57<bremner>actually, I think even chrome didn't work for me last time, and I just borrowed a laptop with windows on it :(
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12:59<hthoreau>Good evening.
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13:00<hthoreau>I'm trying to install the wordpress package available through the Debian repository, and have it setup using an LEMP configuration.
13:00<_kab>It does work for me. Google doesn't really want you using Flash either though so you might need to change settings for the website you're on and click through a million of confirmation dialogues.
13:00<hthoreau>For that, I refered to the instructions available at https://wiki.debian.org/WordPress
13:04<hthoreau>Though, when it referred to a conf file to use at apache's sites-available folder, I instead used the example conf file for nginx available at /usr/share/doc/wordpress/examples/nginx-wordpress.conf
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13:04<hthoreau>And set it at its respective sites-available folder.
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13:05<hthoreau>By reaching the end of the instructions, and calling it in the browser, I get the following error message:
13:05<hthoreau>"Resolving a hostname to an IP address list included the IPv4 address "127.0.53.53". This is a special IP address which ICANN has recommended to indicate there was a name collision, and alert admins to a potential problem. http://debianwordpress.dev/wp"
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13:08<ach>hi
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13:09<_kab>hthoreau: Your local domain .dev (or better dev.) is also an ICANN domain now
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13:10<ach>?
13:10<hthoreau>_kab: Should pick something else then.
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13:11<blast007>like .icannsucks
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13:12<_kab>Better something actually standard compliant
13:13<_kab>Either test. or local.
13:13<blast007>local is reserved for zeroconf
13:13<_kab>Yeah
13:13<_kab>But nobody cares ;)
13:13<blast007>except when you start using it and avahi/boujour makes it break
13:14<blast007>so don't use local
13:14<bremner>or don't use avahi
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13:14<bremner>at least I never noticed avahi doing anything useful for me
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13:16<ICHIM>hi
13:16<_kab>The optimal solution of course would be to use a subdomain of an actual domain that belongs to you
13:16<_kab>But (almost) nobody does that either
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13:18<ICHIM>How to get on another server?
13:18<_kab>Like IRC server?
13:19<ICHIM>krakow.irc.pl
13:19<_kab>I'd suggest looking into the manual of your IRC client
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13:20<_kab>ICHIM: https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/getting_started.html#quick-start
13:21<ICHIM>Ok thanks for the helP
13:22<ach>hi ICHIM
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13:24<ICHIM>HI
13:25<ICHIM>I have a question for you
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13:27<ICHIM>Will somebody help me?
13:28<bremner>depends on the question.
13:29<ICHIM>I made payload and as I tried to turn it on another pc it did not work
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13:29<bremner>what's the connection with debian?
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13:30<ICHIM>I'm new to this and I do not even know what debian it is
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13:31<bremner>then this is almost certainly not the right channel for your question. Debian is an operating system.
13:31<_kab>Debian is a Linux distribution. Visit debian.org for details
13:32<dboles>do you mean "what debian is" or "which debian i have"
13:32<_kab>Judging from your CTCP reply you're using Kali Linux which is a different Linux distribution
13:33<_kab>I imagine therefor your question is in regards to metasploit or something similar
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13:36<amacater>!kali
13:36<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
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13:38<_chaos>hi ... i'm looking at https://www.howtoforge.com/debian_subversion_websvn and it says to use htpasswd2 but apt-file find htpasswd gives zero results... help plz1
13:39<_chaos>*apt-file find htpasswd2 <dah>
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13:43<_kab>_chaos: Try just htpasswd
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13:45<_kab>The tutorial you're looking at is probably outdated.
13:46<_kab>From what I can see htpasswd(2) has been renamed back and forth a few times
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13:47<hthoreau>blast007, _kab, I changed it to debianwordpress.test. Still, "This site can’t be reached because server DNS address could not be found". It seems that though I got that ICANN alert, it was unreleated to the fact of that the link wasn't working to start with.
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13:48<_kab>Have you tried accessing it the good old fashioned way over 127.0.0.1?
13:48<ach><.
13:49<ach><*
13:49<hthoreau>_kab: "502 Bad Gateway nginx/1.10.3"
13:50<_kab>Well that's a start
13:50<_kab>Sounds like you haven't setup PHP correctly
13:50<_kab>for nginx
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13:51<hthoreau>Hm. I might have not...
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13:52<hthoreau>Well I'll look into the PHP part then. Thanks _kab.
13:53<_kab>To your domain name issue are you sure you have the entry in /etc/hosts set correctly?
13:53<_kab>You can do ping $hostname to verify that
13:53<_chaos>_kab: thanks :) that's what I ddi when there was no response and it seems to have worked
13:53<_kab>(dig and host will NOT yield the expected result)
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14:01<guardian>in stretch, what's the proper way to enable /tmp on tmpfs? /etc/default/tmpfs says it's not compatible by systemd
14:02<guardian>s/by/with
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14:06<dboles>guardian: https://paste.gnome.org/p7fr5k5vp (pretend i pasted the leading "c")
14:06<dboles>pretty sure it's a standard thing that already exists and just needs to be enabled
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14:11<hubot>Hi!
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14:11<hubot>How can I delete my firstname and lastname from https://contributors.debian.org/contributor/hubot-guest@alioth/?
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14:12<hubot>I don't want show my firstname and lastname in Debian contributors list.
14:12<guardian>dboles: thanks gonna have a look
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14:15<guardian>I have another question: in jessie I had: /var/lib/mysql/piwik is a symlink to /home/piwik (because /home is large)
14:15<guardian>after having migrated to stretch, mariadb doesn't see the piwik database because of the symlink
14:16<guardian>does someone know what I should tweak so that mysql follow the symlink?
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14:21<annadane>i guess contact the webmaster, hubot
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14:24<bremner>hubot: the people on #debian-newmaint might be able to help
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14:30<_kab>guardian: Some blog suggests symbolic-links=1 on the my.cnf
14:30<_kab>I can't find official docs on that option right now
14:31<_kab>Alternatively you could setup a bind mount
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14:35<guardian>_kab doesn't work
14:35<_kab>Yeah I expected that
14:36<_kab>A bind mount would be an alternative, but those are kinda painful too
14:37<guardian>hmm
14:37<guardian>also, I find it strange /etc/mysql/my.cnf is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/my.cnf
14:38<guardian>and /etc/alternatives/my.cnf is a symlink to /etc/mysql/my.cnf.migrated
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14:42<guardian>is it expected or did something go wrong on my wheezy -> jessie -> stretch upgrade path?
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14:49<agaida>welcome to the debian alternatives system - and the change from mysql to mariadb - i would guess
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14:51<syzio>hey
14:51<syzio>anyone here
14:51<annadane>!ask
14:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:52<syzio>can u tell me what is use of hexchat
14:53<syzio>and how i find who is online
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14:53<dboles>this channel is about using debian
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14:54<canaima>CANAIMA
14:54<canaima> HNJHGIJ
14:54<MagicFab>dboles, hexchat is in Debian
14:54<MagicFab>syzio, it's an IRC client.
14:55<canaima>JKJJK
14:55<annadane>canaima, stop spamming
14:55<MagicFab>syzio, there is now way to tell who is really online. Even if a channel has dozens of users, they may have clients connected from servers, etc.
14:55<canaima>KK
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14:56<guardian>agaida: I'll intall a fresh stretch and see how files are aranged there. I'm so maniacal that at that point I believe I prefer re-reading my /etc git/etckeeper log and apply changes on a fresh stretch :/ wheezy -> jessie -> stretch was such a journey
14:57<MagicFab>annadane, is there a list of shortcuts for this channel somewhere?
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14:58<annadane>MagicFab, no idea, sorry
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15:02<syzio>ohk
15:03<rajudev_>http://metrics.debian.net/ is down?
15:03<annadane>syzio, you should have a user list on the right hand side? if you're on hexchat
15:03<bremner>rajudev_: looks so
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15:04<syzio>yep
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15:04<luispc>hello_
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15:05<syzio>hey is their any way so i can talk 2 u any time annadane
15:05<luispc>speak a spninsh
15:05<syzio>sorry
15:05<syzio>i can't
15:06<annadane>!es
15:06<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
15:06<syzio>can u tell me
15:07<syzio>magicfab, hi
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15:09<dboles>do you have a question about using debian? this is not a general chatroom
15:09<syzio>nope
15:09<luispc>Well this is supposed to be the technical support of debian
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15:10<syzio>k
15:10<syzio>so how i make friends here
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15:10<dboles>the point is that this channel is for helping people with questions about debian, not for socialising
15:11<syzio>ohk
15:11<dboles>there are bound to be better places to socialise or talk about topics that interest you, which evidently debian isn't
15:11<luispc>hola alguien habla espa;ol
15:12<dboles>please, use the correct channel if you want to converse in a non-English language
15:12<dboles>!es
15:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
15:12<syzio>so u all are master coders
15:12<syzio>or legends
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15:12*dboles feels like i've heard this script before
15:13<syzio>can u help how do i start codings
15:13<syzio>or how become like u all
15:13<dboles>once again, none of this is on-topic
15:14<syzio>this is rude
15:14<dboles>at least go to #debian-offtopic
15:14<dboles>no, what's rude is not using the channel for what it's intended for, and expecting everyone here to entertain you
15:15<syzio>sorry
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15:15<syzio>but i want to become like u all
15:15<luispc>My system operation is running is a parrot security os I have a problem I'm hanging on to be due
15:15<syzio>only i want some tips
15:15<dboles>we're just users of debian; there is no "us". if you want to use debian, then use it, maybe then you'll have something on-topic to talk about
15:15<dboles>!parrot
15:15<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
15:15<luispc>espa;ol como pongo esto en espa;ol xd
15:16<dboles>bots are weird these days
15:16<luispc>goodbyte
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15:19<grove>syzio: You don't, this channel is not for making friends, but for getting help with Debian
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15:19<grove>!chat
15:19<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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15:19<luispc>hello xdxdxdxdxdxd
15:19<dboles>always in pairs
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15:20<syzio>k
15:21<syzio>thanks 4 help
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16:08<guardian>So. I had /var/lib/mysql/piwik -> /home/piwik because /home is a larger partition. When I upraded from Jessie to Stretch, this stopped working (as in mysql doesn't list the piwik db when doing show databases;)
16:08<guardian>My /home has 755 permissions, owned by root
16:09<guardian>interestingly, when I create /foo with 755 permissions, owned by root, then mv /home/piwik /foo/, and then symlink /var/lib/mysql/piwik -> /foo/piwik now mysql sees the piwik db
16:09<guardian>what would make /home special?
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16:11<Walex>guardian: AppArmor?
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16:11<guardian>I suspect that
16:11<guardian>but I don't know AppArmor and dpkg-query -l only lists libapparmor
16:11<Walex>guardian: if you have it and it is enabled it will do that.
16:11<guardian>does it mean it's enabled?
16:11<Walex>guardian: could be SElinux
16:12<rajudev_>Happy Debian Day everyone, as well as Happy Birthday GNOME
16:12<guardian>never installed SElinux or AppArmor explicitly
16:12<guardian>I have libselinux1 installed as well it seems
16:12<Walex>guardian: unlikely; also you chould be getting kernel warning messages.
16:12<guardian>but just that
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16:12<guardian>and I can't find anything in mysql.err log
16:12<Walex>guardian: would be in the system log.
16:13<Walex>guardian: other possibility: permissions on '/home'
16:13<guardian>permissions are 755
16:13<guardian>I tried to move piwik data to /foo/piwik, with /foo created with 755 permissions, owned by root, just like /home
16:13<guardian>and it works
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16:13<Walex>guardian: can't believe you.
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16:14<Walex>ls -ld /var/lib/mysql/piwik /foo/piwik /foo /home
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16:15<Walex>guardian: then again after: mv /foo/piwik /home/piwik; rm /var/lib/mysql/piwik; ln -s /home/piwiki /var/lib/mysql/piwik
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16:15<guardian>!pastebin
16:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
16:16<Walex>guardian: 'pastebinit'...
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16:16<guardian>http://paste.debian.net/981488/
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16:17<Walex>then it should not really not make a difference.
16:18<Walex>guardian: unless somehow MariaDB/MySQL verify whether the filesystem is the same.
16:18<Walex>guardian: which they shouldn't.
16:18<guardian>about your last remark: could be BUT I'm currently debugging on a replica which is a single partition virtual box vm :(
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16:18<guardian>so /home is same partition as /foo in current tests
16:19<Walex>guardian: then gremlins :-)
16:19<Guest2503>Hello All, first time.
16:19<guardian>Walex: bonus, when I mount bind /var/lib/mysql/piwik instead of a symlink it also works
16:19<Walex>rajudev_: it is also Indian Independence Day
16:19<guardian>Walex: so something is angry at /home
16:19<Walex>guardian: hard to believe.
16:20<Walex>guardian: ls -ld /
16:20<Walex>guardian: just in case?
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16:20<guardian>755, owned by root
16:20<Walex>guardian: should not make a difference between '/home' and '/foo' though
16:20<guardian>yeah that's what I thought as well :( until starting that mystery debugging session :)
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16:21<guardian>nothing of interest in /var/log/syslog
16:22<Walex>guardian: 'dmesg'? '/var/log/audit/'?
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16:22<guardian>Jdmesg is all about usb and hid
16:23<guardian>I don't have /var/log/audit
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16:24<guardian>dammit
16:24<guardian>I think I found it
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16:24<guardian>by doing grep -R '/home' * in /etc
16:24<guardian>mysql.service has ProtectHome=true with a comment that says "Prevent accessing /home, /root and /run/user"
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16:26<guardian>the more you know...
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16:28<Walex>guardian: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 'systemd'! :-)
16:28<guardian>I'm such a systemd noob
16:28<guardian>it's all uphill for the casual sysadmin I am
16:29<Walex>guardian: trying to do the same job as AppArmor or SELinux. Total domination!
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16:30<guardian>:(
16:30<spacebug^>tries to be Lisa in Simpsons, but ends up being Ralph :)
16:30<Walex>guardian: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb/systemd/
16:30<guardian>whatever...
16:31<guardian>I wish I could set exeptions to ProtectHome
16:32<Walex>guardian: you just need to use 'mount --bind'
16:32<guardian>sure doing that already
16:32<guardian>I just didn't want to give up and undertand what was happening
16:32<Walex>guardian: that is a very good decision.
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17:03<hedkas>SOundcard Intel 82801H - no sound in debian jessy - can anybody help on that?
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17:03<yasser>help
17:04<yasser>me
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17:08<hubot>I configured remote ssh cryptsetup unlocking and followed these tutorials: https://stinkyparkia.wordpress.com/2014/10/14/remote-unlocking-luks-encrypted-lvm-using-dropbear-ssh-in-ubuntu-server-14-04-1-with-static-ipst/ and http://paxswill.com/blog/2013/11/04/encrypted-raspberry-pi/
17:09<hubot>But I'm giving following error at boot after unlocking encrypted debian device: "Error: unexpectedly disconnected from boot status daemon"
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17:10<hubot>This error doesn’t seem to happen if LUKS passphrase is directly entered at the device console but I want to be able remotely unlock encrypted device.
17:10<hubot>Can you help me?
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17:17<annadane>is there a general jessie -> stretch changes list?
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17:19<annadane>oh never mind i guess it's https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch
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20:16<OutlawActual>o/
20:17<OutlawActual>looking for some help, installation stuck at configuring the package manager after "inserting" dvd 2
20:17<OutlawActual>trying to install as a VM
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20:30<OutlawActual>anyone awake?
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20:30<Mikes133>OutlawActual: can you switch to tty4 and check logs?
20:32<Mikes133>otherwise you could try a netinst iso if you have a internet connection to the VM
20:34<OutlawActual>Will the netinst end up downloading all the packages equivalent of the 3 dvd isos?
20:34<Mikes133>it will ask you to choose if you want a desktop environment, and which one etc
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20:35<OutlawActual>ok, thank you, will give that a try
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21:22<OutlawActual>I'm using the latest verion of VMWare Workstation Pro, Debian 9.x is not listed
21:22<OutlawActual>the latest one is 8.x
21:22<OutlawActual>is this a problem?
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21:26<bremner>sounds like a question for vmware
21:26<bremner>if you're asking, should you use debian 9 instead of debian 8, the answer is almost certainly yes.
21:28<OutlawActual>i guess my question is more along the lines of "If I select debian 8 from the drop down then proceed to use debian 9 install disks, will this create a problem"
21:28<Mikes133>It will not be a problem, I have tested this myself
21:28<OutlawActual>ok, good to know
21:29<OutlawActual>i'm not sure why my install is getting stuck after it askes me to put in addition cd/dvd
21:29<bremner>can't you use netinstall?
21:30<OutlawActual>in the process now
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23:03<dolphin>hi
23:03<dolphin>i need help with package problem
23:04<dolphin>trying to install tracktion which is a software for music production
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23:06<rjsalts>doesn't seem to be packaged in debian
23:06<rjsalts>3rd party providing debs?
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23:07<dolphin>https://pastebin.com/1qm5YCq9
23:07<dolphin>i could try
23:08<dolphin>is it an error that can be fixed?
23:08<rjsalts>They're lintian errors, so you're trying to create a package for this?
23:09<dolphin>well im trying to install a .deb
23:09<annadane>!frankendebian
23:09<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
23:11<dolphin>frankendebian um lol is meant to be a linux slur because i can your point of course
23:11<rjsalts>dolphin: log a request for support from the vendor
23:11<dolphin>is debian not compatible with ubuntu based debian
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23:12<rjsalts>dolphin: the packages are not necessarily compatible, but this is complaining because they have bad stuff going on in their package which is counter to debian policy
23:13<rjsalts>dolphin: and they haven't marked it as breaking any of those policies
23:13<annadane>and just in general installing a .deb file randomly is bad unless you specifically know what you're doing
23:13<dolphin>policy such as foss
23:13<dolphin>huh
23:13<rjsalts>dolphin: either that or they have simple mistakes in their build system
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23:14<dolphin>so a random .deb is bad but a ubuntu based .deb is more safe/
23:14<rjsalts>dolphin: the E: waveform8: embedded-library usr/bin/Waveform8: libpng means that they have a copy of libpng included in the binary, instead of linking against the system's libpng
23:14<rjsalts>dolphin: this is a perfectly reasonable thing for them to do, but debian maintained packages should not do this
23:15<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian has some good general advice
23:15<rjsalts>dolphin: they just have to tell the packaging system that they're violating this packaging stipulation made by debian
23:15<dolphin>so it wont work/
23:15<dolphin>or is it against policy?
23:16<rjsalts>The E: waveform8: uses-deprecated-compression-for-data-tarball lzma just means that their package is in a deprecated compression format
23:16<dolphin>can i fix it myself?
23:16<rjsalts>dolphin: it's not working because they haven't said we're deliberately breaking these policies in their package
23:16<dolphin>ah
23:17<dolphin>can i fix it for personal use?
23:17<dolphin>or is just not possible due to technical reasons
23:18<dolphin>thats the part thats not clear.
23:18<rjsalts>dolphin: the easiest way to get it fixed is to ask the person/company who provided the deb for support
23:18<dolphin>i appreciate your help though
23:18<dolphin>alright
23:19<dolphin>btw what is an acpi error?
23:19<annadane>and i guess what you can do is if the source code is available it can be compiled for debian as non-root
23:20<annadane>unless someone is kind enough to make a package for it or you want to try yourself
23:20<rjsalts>I thought lintian was only checked at build time, but you're getting this just when doing dpkg -i foo.deb
23:20<rjsalts>?
23:20<annadane>maybe installing a .deb might be fine in specific cases but the general idea is not to do that
23:20<rjsalts>dolphin: acpi is the power management system in linux
23:21<annadane>as far as my understanding goes, feel free to correct me if not...
23:21<dolphin>is there a way to update some kind of hardware so i dont get this error anymore
23:21<rjsalts>I think it will depend on the error
23:22<dolphin>why does acpi error show on some computers and not others?
23:22<annadane>"If you are building software from source obtained otherwise than from Debian, it's a good idea to build and run it as a normal user, within that user's home directory. If you keep sensitive, valuable, or non-replaceable data in your home directory, it might be a good idea to create another user account for this purpose." from https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
23:23<dolphin>lol this is commercial software no source of course
23:23<annadane>yeah
23:23<dolphin>i don't understand why i see that acpi error
23:24<dolphin>i really it fixed
23:24<dolphin>even if i have to buy new hardware
23:24<dolphin>is this the correct place to discuss this?
23:24<annadane>i have those too and i'm not sure why mysel
23:24<annadane>f
23:24<dolphin>it drives it nuts
23:25<dolphin>i see
23:25<annadane>i've been ignoring it because it boots and everything seems to work anyway :D
23:25<dolphin>but it grinds my gears
23:25<rjsalts>dolphin: what is the error?
23:25<dolphin>acpi error
23:26<rjsalts>dolphin: is it something that's in the log files, or is it displayed elsewhere?
23:26<dolphin>oh its a boot error
23:26<dolphin>its not a problem of anykind
23:27<annadane>yeah, it comes up on boot
23:27<dolphin>its just something that happens with unsupported hardware
23:27<rjsalts>This is relevant, even though it's from redhat https://access.redhat.com/articles/65378
23:27<dolphin>its just annoying
23:27<annadane>pre-GRUB, iirc
23:27<dolphin>yes
23:28<dolphin>i would love to know what hardware i could replace to fix it
23:28<annadane>you probably could avoid it (don't quote me on this) by purchasing linux specific hardware
23:28<annadane>that's my feeling
23:28<rjsalts>dolphin: it's about the motherboard, see if there is a firmware update for your motherboard
23:28<annadane>ahh
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23:28<dolphin>is that the same as a bio update
23:29<dolphin>i have the latets bios
23:29<rjsalts>okay, same deal
23:29<dolphin>my pc is an m51ac from asus
23:29<dolphin>i7 16 gig ram
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23:30<dolphin>so your saying that i need to buy a new motherboard that supports acpi?
23:30<annadane>no, he said see if there's a firmware update
23:30<rjsalts>no, your motherboard supports acpi
23:31<dolphin>so a firmware update is not the same as a bios update?
23:31<annadane>i may as well get this fixed for me too though i'm on sid, but that shouldn't matter in this case
23:31<rjsalts>the problem is that linux is expecting different things than your motherboard is providing because they've got a disagreement on what the acpi spec says
23:31<rjsalts>and motherboard manufactures usually only test against windows
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23:32<dolphin>so if i have the latest bios update and i see that error then the only answer is to buy a new motherboard with inux suported bios
23:32<rjsalts>or ignore it
23:33<annadane>and also i think even if you didn't have those errors i suspect the boot time would be the same
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23:33<annadane>having the messages doesn't increase the time it takes to boot up i would think
23:33<dolphin>well at least i know why it happens but its not a problem of any kind though?
23:34<rjsalts>it means that some of the power related features won't work (e.g. automatic fan speed control, suspend/hibernate, etc )
23:34<annadane>it apparently can interfere with power management but my general rule is if you don't notice a problem it probably isn't worth worrying about
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23:34<annadane>that said that general rule is probably lazy as hell and probably shouldn't be emulated
23:35<dolphin>suspend and hibertae key works
23:35<annadane>rjsalts, not sure if the question was answered but i'd also like to know whether the motherboard is the same as bios
23:35<rjsalts>dolphin: there may be fixes in other linux kernels where they've addressed particular peculiarities of your motherboard to act "more like windows"
23:36<dolphin>hibernate on my qwerty
23:36<annadane>right, kernels can be potentially backported
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23:36<dolphin>i believe that to be true linux mint sems to have that fixed
23:37<dolphin>ubuntu too
23:37<rjsalts>the motherboard is a physical piece of electronics, the bios is a bunch of hardcoded software to make that bunch of physical electronics function
23:37<annadane>whether the backported kernel will remove the errors is another question however
23:38<dolphin>do you know how i would search for which distros have fixed the problem
23:38<dolphin>and what would i be looking for in terms of tech
23:38<dolphin>i can tell you my motherboard if that helps
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23:39<dolphin>Intel® H87
23:40<rjsalts>Didn't you say it was an asus m51ac?
23:40<dolphin>yes
23:40<dolphin>why do you have that al;so
23:40<rjsalts>nope
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23:41<dolphin>is the h87 the actual mother
23:41<annadane>i think what rjsalts said before is true here, "acpi" is a general class of problem and your solution will depend on your specific hardware and also the specific error
23:43<rjsalts>nope, it's just the chipset for the northbridge/southbridge, asus will have added additional stuff based on that chipsets capabilities in all likelihood
23:43<dolphin>ok i get yous that info
23:43<dolphin>tommorow
23:44<rjsalts>you've given all the info
23:44<dolphin>oh?
23:44<dolphin>can you tell me how do i stop that error?
23:45<rjsalts>as in, you don't have many options, about the only additional thing you could look at is the output from where it's initialising the acpi drivers
23:45<rjsalts>have no idea
23:46<rjsalts>apart from the try a newer kernel, or an older kernel and google search for things in dmesg
23:46<dolphin>but not going to cause any kind of stability isshsues
23:46<rjsalts>it means some functionality might be missing
23:47<rjsalts>but it shouldn't cause things to fail
23:47<rjsalts>it might mean your computer uses more electricity than if those features were available
23:48<dolphin>ah ok due power management
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23:49<dolphin>now if it was causing power issues would it be easy to notice
23:50<dolphin>or your saying that it just uses more power due to power not being managed as wel
23:51<dolphin>and lastly does this effect cpu power
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23:51<dolphin>or simply put more money on the electric bill
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23:52<dolphin>sorry to be so detailed
23:52<rjsalts>dolphin: the cpu will just go full tilt instead of having the power management software kicking in and turning things off when it's not in use
23:52<rjsalts>dolphin: etc
23:52<dolphin>that perfect!
23:53<dolphin>in music production power throttling is hated with a passion
23:53<dolphin>alright
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23:54<dolphin>thanks dude now i can rest easy
23:55<dolphin>what is power management software in terms of linux
23:56<dolphin>last question
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23:56<dolphin>otherwise good night good morning or good afternoon
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