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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-08-16

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02:19<quinerr>hi, i want to write a simple polkit program but could find no examples. could you help me?
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02:34<captain>hello, can anyone tell me what's the meaning of 'dereference' in c? I know * in c, but there is no 'dereference' in my dictionary?thanks
02:36<jm_>should be trivial to find an answer using a search engine -- https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14224831/meaning-of-referencing-and-dereferencing
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02:41<captain>...all right
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05:26<Mordain>is this a good place to ask questions about ALSA ?
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05:29<itd>Mordain: ALSA on debian stable? Yes.
05:29<grove>Mordain: If your problems are on Debian: possibly
05:29<grove>!alsa
05:29<dpkg>Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <default alsa>, <alsa firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
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05:30<Mordain>i am using qjackctl to connect my hardware MIDI controller to qsynth, everything works perfectly, lovely sound low latency, but i want to do it via command line not qjackctl. how do i go about this ?
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05:39<Mordain>i suppose i could read the qjackctl source but thats going to be tedious at best
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05:44<Naksu>anyone here familiar with iptables/netfilter optimization? If i have a relatively large subnet with lots of inner subnets with individual rules, would it make sense to pre-chew their rules by splitting the subnet into "halfs" with jumps into a new table depending on whether the packet that is being evaluated is hitting the first or the second half of the subnet
05:44<Naksu>this would skip evaluating the first half's rules for stuff that is on the second half
05:45<Naksu>but that only makes sense depending on how netfilter operates internally
05:47<Drzacek>Hello there
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05:48<itd>dpkg: iptables
05:48<dpkg>[iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>.
05:48<Drzacek>I'm having trouble with VNC server. I would like to start a vnc server for display :0 (whats the point of running for other display, I need to see whats going on on real display). Problem is, "vncserver :0" claims there is already vnc session for :0 running
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05:48<Naksu>oh, looks like someone's already done this, https://people.netfilter.org/hawk/presentations/osd2008/osd2008_iptables_rules_JesperDangaardBrouer.pdf
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05:49<Drzacek>there is X0 file in /tmp/.X11-unix/, created on last boot. ps -x doesnt show any vnc servers running, so I don't understand
05:49<Drzacek>Is it by design or I borked something?
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05:50<itd>Naksu: You could try #netfilter. (Since you said it may depend on implementation details.)
05:52<Naksu>it didn't occur to me that there might be a channel for that, thanks
05:52<jm_>Drzacek: have you tried using x11vnc package?
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05:58<Drzacek>jm_, thanks, was able to start with x11vnc. Any reason why vncserver didn't worked?
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06:06<jm_>Drzacek: which package is that from?
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06:08<jm_>I suppose it wants to server (x11) display :0, which is already being served in your case
06:08<jm_>to serve*
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07:31<Mordain>i am using qjackctl to connect my hardware MIDI controller to qsynth via ALSA, everything works perfectly, lovely sound low latency, but i want to do it via command line not qjackctl. how do i go about this ?
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07:36<Mordain>!alsa
07:36<dpkg>Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <default alsa>, <alsa firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
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07:45<itd>dpkg: tell Mordain about selftell
07:47<itd>Mordain: Is there a reason why you want to use the command line?
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07:51<jm_>maybe you could use pulseaudio-module-jack and PA cli tools?
07:51<jm_>or maybe jack-tools provides something
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09:14<blagarg>what does #debian use to mirror debian? apt-mirror, go-apt-mirror, ...?
09:14<Ganneff>!ftpsync
09:14<dpkg>ftpsync is a non-packaged scriptset for creating a Debian archive mirror. https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror . See also <mirrors>.
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09:29<blagarg>dpkg: is it possible to exclude architectures and suites with ftpsync nowadays? not too long ago it wasn't : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=124563
09:29<dpkg>blagarg: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
09:30<blagarg>dpkg: is it possible to exclude architectures and suites with ftpsync nowadays? not too long ago it wasn't http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=124563
09:30<dpkg>blagarg: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
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09:30<blast007>blagarg: dpkg here is a bot
09:31<blagarg>yeah sort of figured it out ^^
09:31<blast007>:)
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09:47<crjm>Anyone to have a gpg key signed easier?
09:47<crjm>Anyway*
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09:57<MCgeorge>Hi guys, just asking - is there any consensus to which of the upcoming package formats will debian gravitate, towards flatpak or snap? I see flatpak is available to more distros, and once again this seems like another NIH syndrome story, but are there any quality related differences for everyday user?
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09:57<bremner>it
09:58<bremner>is probably fair to say things are still up in the air, but flatpak is not dismissed yet
09:58<bremner>Or more precisely, I know of flatpack-in-debian activity, but nothing specific about snap in debian. That might be just my ignorance
09:59<MCgeorge>bremner thanks for your response. i'm not a developer or anything, but i read and see people are pretty much enthusiastic about the coming formats, so was just trying to get insider tip on which is a safer bet...
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10:00<bremner>too early to say, I suspect.
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10:02<MCgeorge>thanks bremner
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10:07<MCgeorge>oh, bremner, we should expect any of the two on Debian, should they enter mainstream use?
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10:11<bremner>MCgeorge: I'm not sure there will ever be a "Debian App Store", but I could be wrong. As for as whatever tooling is needed, and policy adjustments, that seems more likely.
10:12<MCgeorge>Oh, i always thought it will be a one size fits all flatpak store?
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10:12<MCgeorge>Well, as long as we'll be able to run the apps, i'm good :)
10:12<blast007>MCgeorge: flatpak is already packaged in Debian, if that's what you're asking
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10:13<blast007>as is snapd, it seems
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10:57<hthoreau>Good morning.
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10:58<hthoreau>I'm trying to setup wordpress using a LEMP configuration. I believe I got the LEM part figured out, but I'm getting a "502 Bad Gateway | nginx/1.10.3" when trying to access localhost.
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10:59<hthoreau>I've followed instructions provided here (https://wiki.debian.org/WordPress) for the installation.
10:59<hthoreau>Though, in the part explaining how to setup apache2,
11:01<hthoreau>I instead copied the file "/usr/share/doc/wordpress/examples/nginx-wordpress.conf" available in the documentation to "/etc/nginx/sites-available/"
11:01<hthoreau>Otherwise, I used the same commands.
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11:06<ajkiller>is there a ftp site for a live install of pure debian with desktop choices like gnome?
11:06<ajkiller>via usb
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11:12<jmcnaught>hthoreau: can you make a paste of the configuration files and logs entries?
11:13<hthoreau>jmcnaught: I can. I'll get back to you soon enough.
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11:20<jmcnaught>hthoreau: there are two methods documented on that wiki page, so please don't leave out details about how you configured it. 502 Bad gateway… that sounds like nginx is not talking to php-fpm
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11:23<hthoreau>jmcnaught: Yes, sorry for that. I used the first method.
11:23<hthoreau>Here are the conf files: https://paste.debian.net/981605/
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11:24<hthoreau>As for the logs, could you intruct me on which ones to obtain?
11:24<hthoreau>And the commands to do so?
11:24<jmcnaught>hthoreau: start with nginx logs
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11:26<jmcnaught>hthoreau: do you have php7.0-fpm installed?
11:27<hthoreau>"php-fpm/stable,stable,now 1:7.0+49 all [installed]"
11:29<hthoreau>jmcnaught: ^
11:30<jmcnaught>good. you need to look in your nginx logs. The log location is in the nginx configuration file
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11:32<jmcnaught>you might also need to look at php-fpm logs, the log path is probably configured in the pool configuration file in /etc/php7.0… I haven't used php on stretch yet so you'll need to look.
11:33<bremner>any good reasons to choose between nginx and lighttpd? I see nginx has an "open core" model, not sure how I feel about that, but other than that?
11:33<jmcnaught>hthoreau: for troubleshooting webserver issues it's sometimes useful to use 'tail -v -f /var/log… /var/log/otherlog…' to follow one or more logs live as you make requests
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11:34<jmcnaught>I still use apache for everything when it's up to me
11:36<hthoreau>bremner: I've installed Zeronet as well and it suggested nginx. I the found out that nginx and apache2 are interchangeable, and so I tried to reduce the number of installed programs.
11:37<bremner>interchangable in what sense? they use different config, e.g.
11:37<hthoreau>jmcnaught: Ok, here's the nginx log: https://paste.debian.net/981606/ It points out that it is failing to communicat with php7.0, as you suspected.
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11:38<hthoreau>bremner: In the sense that I could, for wordpress at least, use any of them for its setup.
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11:39<bremner>ok, fair enough
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11:39<jmcnaught>hthoreau: take a look at "systemctl status php7.0-fpm". I'm pretty sure that software has its own logs (outside of journald) in /var/log somewhere as well
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11:48<hthoreau>jmcnaught: Here's the systemctl log: https://paste.debian.net/981609/ And the "/var/log/php7.0-fpm.log": https://paste.debian.net/hidden/8efddaf8/
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11:49<hthoreau>Not very informative that last one, I would say.
11:50<hthoreau>jmcnaught: How was it that I would call journalctl to check on php7.0-fpm?
11:50<jmcnaught>hthoreau: use the -u option to specify a unit
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11:53<jmcnaught>but i doubt there will be more info in the journal. Look in your php-fpm config… is nginx using the correct path to the socket?
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11:55<hthoreau>Yeah, nothing in the journal.
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11:55<hthoreau>Let's see the php-fpm config...
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11:56<hthoreau>jmcnaught: Here: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/5604a53f/
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11:59<jmcnaught>hthoreau: do you see the last line of that file? There should be at least one default pool that is created by the package, but you can have more than one
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12:01<jmcnaught>hthoreau: it's good that you're spending some time with the config files. You should be familiar with them if you're going to be running a server. It's also important to know where your logs are
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12:02<hthoreau>jmcnaught: I admire your ability to look at the bright side of all this hurdle. xD
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12:03<hthoreau>jmcnaught: But thank you for your patience. Yes, I'm being introduced to all of this as we go along.
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12:03<jmcnaught>well it's one thing to take longer settings up a service than you had hoped, but it's another thing to have a service go down and not know how to fix it
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12:04<hthoreau>jmcnaught: Wow. True dat.
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12:05<hthoreau>jmcnaught: So, yes, there was only the default conf at "/etc/php/7.0/fpm/pool.d/www.conf"
12:05<hthoreau>jmcnaught: Here it is: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e4aa4d09/
12:05<jmcnaught>hthoreau: that file should say where the socket is. After you check that, look to see if it actually exists while the php7.0-fpm is running
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12:07<jmcnaught>hthoreau: it's the line 'listen = /run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock', does that exist? Is nginx looking for it there or somewhere else like /var/lib?
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12:08<hthoreau>jmcnaught: It does exist at that address... So I should check nginx.conf for where it is listening?
12:08<jmcnaught>hthoreau: look at /etc/nginx/sites-available/nginx-wordpress.conf
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12:11<hthoreau>jmcnaught: It is set to /var/run/php7.0-fpm.sock
12:12<hthoreau>That address doesn't exist.
12:12<hthoreau>Though, there is a "/var/run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock"
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12:13<jmcnaught>hthoreau: yes, also /var/run is a symlink to /run (they're the same directory)… the issue was that php-fpm is using a php subdirectory there, and nginx was looking in the wrong place
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12:14<Anythingscom>Hey everyone.
12:14<Anythingscom>Need some support.
12:15<bremner>!ask
12:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:15<Anythingscom>I installed Debian on my laptop, have to install some programs without the disc. Does anyone know the link to the official software scource?
12:16<bremner>!mirrors
12:16<dpkg>The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <httpredir.debian.org>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
12:16<hthoreau>jmcnaught: Cool! So, first, I disable the site, make a substitution to in the nginx-wordpress.conf for "/var/run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock", enable it, then restart nginx?
12:17<Anythingscom>Do I apply that to Software & Updates from Othersoftware?
12:17<Anythingscom>Other Software
12:18<bremner>I don't understand the question, sorry.
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12:19<Anythingscom>I installed the OS from the disc that can also be used to install software/packages without internet. Is there a scource that I can use?
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12:19<Anythingscom>Like deb.debian.org?
12:20<bremner>Anythingscom: yes, you can use deb.debian.org as your mirror. But that should have been a question during the install.
12:20<jmcnaught>hthoreau: probably you don't need to disable or restart anything, just correct the file and "systemctl reload nginx"
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12:20<bremner>... if you used a supported installer ...
12:21<Anythingscom>Okay. Give me a moment.
12:21<jmcnaught>the installer doesn't configure mirrors if no networking is available during the installation
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12:21<bremner>Anythingscom: you might need !source.list
12:22<bremner>!sources.list
12:22<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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12:24<Anythingscom>Can't you use Software & Updates to change the sources?
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12:24<hthoreau>jmcnaught: I did that, and reloaded the page. I got a diferent error message "Neither /etc/wordpress/config-127.0.0.1.php nor /etc/wordpress/config-0.0.1.php could be found.
12:24<hthoreau>Ensure one of them exists, is readable by the webserver and contains the right password/username." I'll do waht the error message suggests.
12:25<itd>Anythingscom: This one: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/software-properties-gtk ?
12:26<Anythingscom>Yes.
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12:26<Anythingscom>In other software?
12:27<jmcnaught>hthoreau: this is somewhat specific to the wordpress package in Debian. The wp-config.php file (in /usr/share/wordpress I think) points to /etc/wordpress/config-HOSTNAME_USED_IN_REQUEST.php… so you if you browse to it at http://127.0.0.1 then it looks for the file in your error
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12:27<itd>Anythingscom: I think 'Debian Software' is what you need. The first 3 check boxes should be marked.
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12:30<Anythingscom>By the way, I'm using Apper to install new software.
12:30<hthoreau>jmcnaught: Hm... I see. I named it "config-www.debianwordpress.test.php"
12:31<Anythingscom>I want to install Compiz,but it's not listed.
12:32<hthoreau>jmcnaught: Typing in debianwordpress.test gives me a "This site can’t be reached because server DNS address could not be found" message.
12:33<itd>Given that #827198 exists. Would it be impolite to use (hijack) that bug to inform the maintainer about hthoreau's php7-fpm issue?
12:33<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/827198 in wordpress (pending, patch): «wordpress: Update nginx example configuration for php7»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-06-13; last modified: 2016-07-12.
12:33<Anythingscom>Okay, I think it's fixed.
12:33<hthoreau>jmcnaught: Maybe I should just rename it localhost? I imagine this will give me problens in the future as I try to create more sites. xD
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12:34<itd>Anythingscom: Cool. :)
12:34<jmcnaught>hthoreau: if it is named localhost when when a different computer connects it will fail. Do you have DNS configured properly? debianwordpress.test doesn't look like a real domain name
12:34<Anythingscom>One other thing that bugs me: I can use the trackpad to move the mouse, but tapping it does nothing. Tested other desktop enviroments that work, except MATE and GNOME.
12:34<Anythingscom>Maybe it's a driver problem?
12:35<itd>Anythingscom: If it works in other DEs it's (most likely) not a driver problem. Check if you can enable it in the KDE(?) settings.
12:36<Anythingscom>I can use the physical buttons, but tapping the trackpad won't do anything unless there was a setting to fix this issue. Am using MATE right now.
12:36<Anythingscom>I know it works on Cinnamon and KDE, haven't tried XFCE and LXDE.
12:37<itd>Anythingscom: Scratch the 'KDE(?)' and lock if you can enable it somewhere. ;)
12:37<hthoreau>jmcnaught: Oh no, its not. It was suggested by the wiki to use it. But, I'm trying to host it locally, at least to begin with.
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12:38<codekid45>hi!
12:38<sjzurek>hi
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12:39<sjzurek>:)
12:39<Anythingscom>Hey, codek
12:39<jmcnaught>hthoreau: the file needs to be named for the name you will be using to access the site. So if you request 'http://example.com' it looks for /etc/wordpress/config-example.com.php. Making sure that requests for example.com reach the computer they're intended for is another matter
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12:43<Anythingscom>By the way, I forgot that I had Synaptic Package Manager. Maybe trying to change the sources wasn't necessary.
12:43<hthoreau>jmcnaught: I went ahead and renamed it config-localhost.php and just got a H1 headline saying "Error establishing a database connection" xD
12:45<Anythingscom>Just hope nothing gets broken.
12:45<hthoreau>A "You fail at this" would be equally instructive. xD
12:46<Anythingscom>Uh, never mind. I guess it was.
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12:46<jmcnaught>hthoreau: so either the file in /etc/wordpress has the wrong database information, or you don't have a database running… back to looking in the logs ☺
12:46<Anythingscom>Didn't find a solution to the trackpad, though. Is there anything I can use for MATE?
12:47<hthoreau>jmcnaught: xD
12:47<hthoreau>Uh boy.
12:49<Anythingscom>Does anyone have graphic glitches in linux half the time? I've always wondered: What causes that to happen?
12:49<hthoreau>jmcnaught: By the way, thanks for helping me so far, at every step of the way.
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12:51<jmcnaught>hthoreau: you're welcome. you'll get it figured out. The more you read from the documentation of the various parts you are working with, the easier it gets. There's probably useful info in /usr/share/doc/wordpress (in addition to upstream wordpress docs, nginx docs, mariadb docs etc)
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12:56<Anythingscom>Anyone still there?
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13:00<annadane>people didn't leave en masse
13:00<annadane>you can go ahead with any questions you have
13:01<annadane>ah well left anyway
13:01<Anythingscom1>It's way too quiet in here :D
13:01<annadane>or... nick change
13:01<annadane>anyway, graphic glitches may be a missing firmware issue
13:01<annadane>check dmesg | grep firmware
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13:03<N0rthlight>Hey guys what I am missing here.
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13:03<jmcnaught>a question.
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13:04<N0rthlight>haha
13:04<N0rthlight>https://paste.debian.net/981623/
13:04<N0rthlight>There you go
13:04<Anythingscom1>WIFI issues. Forgot to go to LAN.
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13:05<N0rthlight>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=steam&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all
13:05<annadane>N0rthlight, i guess this is a time for:
13:05<annadane>!bat
13:05<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:05<jmcnaught>N0rthlight: you probably need to enable multi-arch and install the i386 package. Are you following https://wiki.debian.org/Steam ?
13:05<annadane>ah, or that
13:05<N0rthlight>Yeah I I felt it was something about i386
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13:06<N0rthlight>Thanks all, I might pass for now I am torn with steam been no-free and installing more stuff for it.
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13:11<N0rthlight>thanks for the guide. jmcnaught
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13:12<MagicFab>Happy Debian Day :) https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDay/2017
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13:15<annadane>\o/
13:16<N0rthlight>Cheers!
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13:27<Anythingscom1>I'm going. Thanks to those who helped out.
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13:46<crash_bandicoot02>how can i configure the resolvconf service to give internet access only when i start the service???
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13:50<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: resolv.conf manages /etc/resolv.conf, which tells programs where to send DNS queries. How do you configure networking on this computer?
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13:53<crash_bandicoot02>jmcnaught, what i want to do is to disable internet to my machine and the only way that my machine can have internet access is when i start the resolvconf service
13:53<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: how about instead, you make it so internet access is disabled until you start the service that configure networking?
13:54<crash_bandicoot02>jmcnaught, how can i do that?
13:55<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: how do you configure networking on this computer?
13:55<crash_bandicoot02>jmcnaught, this machine is by default dhcp
13:56<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: i'm asking are you using NetworkManager? wicd? systemd-networkd? ifupdown?
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13:57<crash_bandicoot02>jmcnaught, networkmanager
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13:58<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: so you could disable networkmanager from starting on boot. Or you could configure networkmanager to not connect automatically
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14:01<crash_bandicoot02>jmcnaught, i dont like do it that way. i would like to do it with the resolvconf service to install the service and then disable on boot so only can give internet when i start the service is that possible in debian cause in ubuntu i did it???
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14:05<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: that way doesn't make sense, and it doesn't disable network acces, only DNS resolution
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14:05<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: why don't you like doing it a sensible way?
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14:05<blast007>wouldn't the old DNS entries be there anyway?
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14:06<blast007>and does NM manage the /etc/resolv.conf file?
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14:08<crash_bandicoot02>jmcnaught, in ubuntu i just disable the resolvconf service on boot and bam no internet access unless i start the service again but in debian i notice that the service resolvconf is not even install it
14:08<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: it was not a very good way to do things in Ubuntu either, just because it sort of worked. If the computer is connected to the network but only its own resolv.conf is unconfigured, it can still be access by other computers on the network
14:09<jmcnaught>if you want to stop a connection from happening, stop the connection from happening… breaking DNS resolution only half works for what you want
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14:12<crash_bandicoot02>jmcnaught, ok so what will be the right way to disable internet without messing around with button on my laptop which indicate the wifi lan??
14:13<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: edit the connection in whatever NetworkManager interface you use, uncheck "connect automatically". When you want to connect, select that network in your NM interface
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14:17<crash_bandicoot02>jmcnaught, i share my pc with other people that is why i want only me can give internet access
14:19<crash_bandicoot02>jmcnaught, how can i disable network manager without the button with indicate wifi on my laptop turn to red
14:19<crash_bandicoot02>???
14:19<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: NM also has 'make connection available to others' option for each connection
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14:21<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: you can also remove users from the netdev group
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14:22<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: or, you could simpll disable network-manager from starting at boot
14:22<jmcnaught>damn i can't type today, probably going to give up on typing soon
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14:24<jmcnaught>anyways… disabling the resolvconf service is definitely not the right way to do this. I would remove the users from the netdev group ('deluser username netdev'), and configure the connections to not connect automatically, not be available to other users inside NM itself
14:24<crash_bandicoot02>jmcnaught, what is netdev group? and how i configure it to disable internet access?
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14:26<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: netdev is the group a use must belong to to change NM system settings. And I already told you a couple of times how to disable a network from connecting automatically in NM
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14:27<crash_bandicoot02>jmcnaught, ok i gonna take a look
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14:28<jmcnaught>crash_bandicoot02: you should also look at /usr/share/doc/network-manager especially README.Debian (you should do this for any package you have questions about really)
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14:32<crash_bandicoot02>jmcnaught, ok thank
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15:02<help>Hi all
15:02<help>Quick question, I got some AppImages and wondering where the best place is to save them
15:02<help>Other than Downloads
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15:02<Guest2594>These are going to be regular packages that I'll use
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15:04<Guest2594>Can anyone see my messages? (I'm new to this)
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15:05<annadane>Guest2594, yes
15:06<grove>Guest2594: Yes, we can see your messages. I (and I can only speak for me on that) don't understand your question though
15:06<blast007>Guest2594: I see various paths mentioned here: https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/blob/appimagetool/master/README.md
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15:06<Guest2594>blast007: that answers my question, thanks!
15:07*annadane smiles and nods
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15:10<spacebug^>Guest2594: is that something similar to Flatpak?
15:12<Guest2594>spacebug^: I'm a newbie to linux, don't even know what Flatpak is
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15:12<Guest2594>I didn't know there was a subcommunity of body builders in linux
15:12<Guest2594>or rather, dieters
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15:15<Guest2594>Thanks guys! quick support
15:15<spacebug^>Guest2594: Flatpak is for running programs in containers. This brings both security(1) and flexability(2). (1. Programs are isolated). (2. Programs can have other versions of librarys than the host system uses)
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16:22<marioxcc>Hello.
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16:23<marioxcc>What e-mail client can I use that can classify messages pertaining to mailing lists in a folder corresponding to *that* mailing list?
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16:28<Mordain>i am using qjackctl to connect my hardware MIDI controller to qsynth via ALSA, everything works perfectly, lovely sound low latency, but i want to do it via command line not qjackctl. how do i go about this ?
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16:45<N0rthlight> Hey I am looking for a replacement for Nuvola player since it is not on the rep. Any suggestions ?
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18:31<marioxcc>" Hey I am looking for a replacement for Nuvola player since it is not on the rep. Any suggestions ? "
18:31<marioxcc>VLC
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18:38<Vittorino_>ayudenmen
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18:41<annadane>already gone...
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19:08<k-man>the arduino ide on my high resolution screen is too small to use
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19:08<k-man>oh #arduino they claim its a problem with the wm settings. i don't believe it personally
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19:08<parrot>hello
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19:09<annadane>k-man, i guess you can tell us what is your wm?
19:10<k-man>xfce4
19:10<k-man>most other apps are ok. some aren't in xfce4
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23:11<annadane>Northlighted, re your question earlier, VLC was suggested as a replacement for nuvola
23:12<captain>can anyone hello me ping expressvpn? what's the ip? thanx
23:12<captain>expressvpn.com
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23:29<Aramorti>I am looking to build a small debian vm with cisco vpn capability and rdesktop. Which is better for performance Gnome, KDE, or XFCE?
23:31<jathan>Aramorti: LXDE or XFCE. If you could, try a Window Manager like Fluxbox.
23:31<Aramorti>thx jathan.
23:32<jathan>Aramorti: Your welcome.
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