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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-08-17

---Logopened Thu Aug 17 00:00:16 2017
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00:48<magyar>is freenode down?
00:48<rjsalts>magyar: nope
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00:48<cruncher>magyar, not down, but im also having trouble connecting
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00:48<magyar>I got 50 flood messages and tool a few minutes to reconnect :)
00:48<magyar>s/tool/took
00:49<cruncher>magyar, yes, for me too, just try again (now), should work
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00:49<magyar>sure, just got in, thanks cruncher
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01:15<xyzone>nvidia-vulkan-icd multiarch still broken in stretch? Will it be backported?
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02:21<popup>if i'm using gnu netcat with the -u (udp) option, how do i get netcat to close after it's finished receiving data?
02:22<popup>it automatically closes with tcp (naturally), but i need to do the same with udp. simply doing -w 1 to wait and timeout after one second is not acceptable.
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02:23<rjsalts>popup: how does it know about end of data?
02:24<popup>when i do -q 0, which causes it to exit immediately after EOF, it exits too quickly and doesn't provide time to receive the response.
02:24<popup>rjsalts: same way as it does for tcp: EOF
02:24<popup>like i can do -q 1, but then it hangs for a second just like -w 1. and it does not accept -q 0.1 or so.
02:24<rjsalts>popup: maybe try socat instead?
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02:26<popup>i want to use gnu netcat. if there's absolutely no way that's not a huge hack, i can just get it to use tcp, but i'd rather udp (faster, lower overhead for my purposes)
02:26<jm_>which package in debian provides gnu netcat?
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02:26<rjsalts>netcat-traditional
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02:27<rjsalts>netcat-openbsd being the alternative to it in debian
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02:28<grawity>netcat-openbsd being the more capable alternative, in some cases
02:28<popup>i know that it can close seamlessly with tcp because it's stateless, but surely there must be a way to do that with udp? nc must send a fixed amount of data, then will receive a fixed amount of data. surely it could know to close after that amount of data transfers.
02:29<popup>grawity: i plan to use this on multiple distros, and distros like gentoo have netcat-openbsd masked. only gnu netcat appears to be universal.
02:29<jm_>hmm never heard of it being a gnu project, copyright file seems to agree http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/n/netcat/netcat_1.10-41_copyright
02:29<grawity>it doesn't know how much *is* the "fixed amount"
02:29<popup>netcat doesn't, but would it respond to, say, stdout closing and quit when that happens?
02:30<popup>if netcat supported a decimal value of -q, that would do the trick perfectly.
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02:31<popup>i.e. stay open to send the data, then stay open for, say, 100ms to receieve the data, and exit otherwise. but it only supports 0s (which is too fast), and 1+s (which is too slow)
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02:34<popup>oh! i can run timeout 0.1 $netcatcmd
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03:39<Symphonic>Hi, I tried to follow the steps in fixmbr but at the grub reinstallation it says "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly", what should I do?
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03:44<jm_>which version of debian is that?
03:44<Symphonic>jm_: Debian Stretch
03:45<jm_>Symphonic: and which version of grub?
03:45<Symphonic>jm_: How can I know?
03:45<jm_>Symphonic: dpkg -l | grep grub
03:46<Symphonic>jm_: which version is in the live?
03:47<jm_>Symphonic: I have no idea, doesn't dpkg tell you?
03:47<Symphonic>jm_: I'm not currently at the pc
03:47<jm_>you should also be using grub from your installation, not the one from the live media if you followed fixmbr properly
03:48<Symphonic>Ah
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03:49<jm_>I am asking all these questions because it appears you're using some old grub version
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03:55<Symphonic>jm_: Thanks I will check it when I can, I can find you within 3 hours?
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03:56<jm_>Symphonic: can't promise anything since I am at work
03:57<Symphonic>jm_ Okay, sorry
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03:57<jm_>Symphonic: no need to apologize, just ask in the channel and we'll reply if we can
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04:29<user4711>Installed stretch, xfce4, geary. In geary checkboxes are not visible. Same in firefox-esr. In gtk3-demo: Terrible look, not a single widget (right term?) like it should be, mainly unvisible. May be a GTK3 issue? Tested several themes, that contain GTK3 icons, settings etc.. Used lxappearance to change themes, and looked at .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini if changes are written in. Still no success. Any ideas?
04:30<grawity>have you tried the standard "Adwaita" theme?
04:31<grawity>it's embedded in gtk3 itself, so it'd take a lot of effort to break it
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04:33<user4711>As far as I understand, Adawaita is a _icon_ theme, not a _widget_ theme (it appears as a icon theme in lxappearance, not as a widget theme)
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04:34<towo^work>nope
04:34<grawity>lxappearance is lying to you
04:34<towo^work>adwaita is a inbuild gtk3 theme
04:34<towo^work>and lxappearance is little wronf for xfce
04:35<grawity>possibly it only shows themes found in /usr/share/themes, and only the gtk2 variant of Adwaita puts files there
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04:38<user4711>Hmm. What would be the approbiate method so set a theme for gtk3? (I installed three other themes which appear to support gtk 3.0: numix, gerybird an blackbird)
04:38<user4711>s/gerybird/greybid/
04:41<grawity>since you're using xfce, all gtk2/3 programs will take the setting from xfconf
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04:45<user4711>SUCCESS! Changed "Theme name" in Xfce Settings editor to "Adawita".
04:46<grawity>if you want to mix themes, you can e.g. symlink ~/.local/share/themes/Adwaita/gtk-2.0 to /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/gtk-2.0
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04:49<user4711>grawity, towo^work : Thank You.
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04:51<user4711>Does .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini have any meaning for Xfce? (As far as I remember, it was not there til I started lxappearance for the first time)
04:53<grawity>not really
04:53<grawity>gtk3 itself will read parameters from there
04:53<grawity>but some of them are overridden by xsettings-provided parameters from xfconf
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04:54<user4711>Not intutive, but who cares ... =:)
04:55<user4711>grawity, towo^work : Thank you again.
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08:31<jonatan>I need help installing anbox on my system
08:32<towo^work>then you propably in the wrong channel, there is no anbox in any debian repo
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08:33<grawity>maybe that's exactly why they need help installing it
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08:33<jonatan>sory
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08:35<grawity>/topic doesn't really say anything about the channel being limited to existing packages only
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09:44<Artox>Hi everyone; I was wondering if regenerating extlinux.conf on kernel update is automated in debian. I cam across this blog post, that mentions a programm called extlinux-update, but it is nowhere to be found. http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/install/extlinux-debian.html
09:44<Artox>Does anybody know more about this?
09:45<Artox>the purpose is providing a frankenbian sdcard image that "just works"with u-boot distro-boot support
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09:46<cascardo>Artox: there used to be extlinux-update in exlinux package in wheezy, not anymore
09:47<cascardo>thought that extlinux was only x86
09:47<Artox>the extlinux debian package sure is
09:47<Artox>but u-boot can read extlinux.conf directly so I don't even need to have extlinux, just the .conf
09:48<cascardo>I see
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09:49<cascardo>Artox: you can look at flash-kernel
09:50<cascardo>not sure it fixes your problem, but it's possible, even if it requires patches to add support to your device
09:50<Artox>cascardo: that one is my next stop, but these days its pretty limited and likes its boot scripts
09:50<Artox>there is already a bug about patching flash-kernel and its progressed nicely
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09:51<Artox>the great thing abotu extlinux.conf is actual meaningful boot menu listing the installed kernels
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09:53<cascardo>yes, thought you would want the menu listing, which makes sense on some platforms
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09:54<Artox>it is more accessible too, even if people need to change teh DEFAULT setting in extlinux.conf remotely
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09:57<Artox>cascardo: I thought maybe the funcationality was moved to /etc/kernel/postinst.d
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10:09<cascardo>Artox: not sure when that happened, but maybe that's something you would like to provide
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10:14<Artox>cascardo: I am not sure if I could provide that; it is kind of a complex task maintaing such a file
10:14<Artox>like grub.cfg
10:14<Artox>deciding which entry is default, what to do when kernels are uninstalled, ...
10:14<Artox>or added
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10:15<Artox>(grub.efi is an option too, but its a bit overkill and last time I checked the stable version in stretch was missing a few patches)
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10:18<txt-file>Is there a way to set wireless basic_rate in debian?
10:18<txt-file>I know the setting from OpenWRT and would like to use it on debian.
10:18<cascardo>Artox: have you looked why it was removed from the package?
10:19<cascardo>anyway, it would seem a little odd requiring to install extlinux itself just to get a /etc/kernel/postinst.d/update-extlinux script
10:19<Artox>nope haven't.
10:19<cascardo>so maybe work on getting uboot to provide such a thing
10:19<Artox>can dig on the history
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10:20<Artox>well, there is some special stuff needed that is highly-debian-specific. Location of kernels, location of devicetrees, file naming convention
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10:21<cascardo>well, if there is some feature you would like to get from flash-kernel, maybe that's where some work needs to go to
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10:21<cascardo>like adding support for more than one kernel
10:22<Artox>quite possible
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10:25<Artox>last time extlinux-update was mentioned in changelog is july 2013
10:26<cascardo>that's the debian changelog, is it right?
10:26<Artox>yes
10:26<cascardo>is it provided by debian, or did it come from upstream?
10:26<Artox>syslinux debian/changelog
10:26<Artox>I also grepped the git history but nothing
10:27<Artox>well that mention I found was just a solved bug
10:27<Artox>looks like it was a debian-thing
10:27<Artox>may 2013: * Splitting fileupdate function in extlinux-update to subscript.
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10:28<Artox>there are lots of functionality-changes of extlinux-update in that changelog
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10:38<Artox>So, the script was removed in "Imported Debian patch 3:6.03~pre19+dfsg-1"
10:38<Artox>thats very detailed, seriously
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10:38<bremner>check debian/changelog?
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10:40<Artox>"Due to 'popular demand' and the fact that the debian specific bootloader integration just isn't ready yet (and will not be in time for jessie, temporarily dropping Debian custom additions for jessie and shipping an (almost) vanilla syslinux package from now on (Closes: #750851, #754225)."
10:40<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/750851 in extlinux (closed): «please support memtest86/memtest86+ in syslinux-stuff»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-06-07; last modified: 2014-11-27.
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10:41<Artox>wasn't that temporary apparently
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10:42<cascardo>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754225#10
10:42<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/754225 in syslinux-stuff (closed, patch): «Configure fails if findmnt returns /dev/root as result of device»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-07-08; last modified: 2014-09-10.
10:42<Artox>and then 3:6.03~pre19+dfsg-2: "Adding note when upgrading extlinux that there's no bootloader integration anymore."
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10:54<Artox>just found a mailinglist message that suggests flash-kernel understands extlinux.conf
10:56<cascardo>hum.... flash-kernel is armhf only
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11:17<W4RL0RD>Having issues on installing gnome on strecth
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11:18<W4RL0RD>Tasksell says apt-get failed(100)
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11:18<posterdati>hi
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11:18<W4RL0RD>apt-get install gnome started to work but then ti said unmet dependencies to a whole bunch of packages
11:19<W4RL0RD>It said do apt --fix-broken install
11:19<W4RL0RD>Does nothing
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11:19<W4RL0RD>I dfid apt-get -f install
11:19<W4RL0RD>SNothing
11:19<themill>!show sources.list W4RL0RD
11:19<dpkg>W4RL0RD: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
11:19<W4RL0RD>And dpkg --configure -a.Nothing
11:20<W4RL0RD>themill, I removed sources.list
11:20<W4RL0RD>I added onion repos in sources.list.d
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11:20<themill>Real output from real commands
11:21<W4RL0RD>One sec
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11:22<W4RL0RD>themill, https://pastebin.com/rv8CnnBK
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11:25<themill>and does apt-get update complete without error?
11:26<W4RL0RD>Yes
11:26<W4RL0RD>But upgrade has error
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11:27<Megaf>W4RL0RD, as I said, you have a mess of versions
11:27<Megaf>W4RL0RD, you have Jessie repo there
11:28<Megaf>comment it out
11:28<W4RL0RD>No?
11:28<Megaf>comment everything but stretch
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11:28<Megaf>you have lots of Jessie entries there
11:28<W4RL0RD>Megaf, Just saw lel
11:28<Megaf>go to the other channel, read again what I said,
11:29<Megaf>don't make me repeat everything
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11:30<Megaf>I will pastebin what I said
11:30<W4RL0RD>No need
11:30<W4RL0RD>That was on .save
11:30<W4RL0RD>Only
11:31<Megaf>Walex, there http://paste.debian.net/plain/981817
11:31<Megaf>W4RL0RD, *
11:31<W4RL0RD>Megaf, Upgrade still wont work
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11:32<Megaf>W4RL0RD, paste.debian.net what it says
11:33<tda>why does the art for the 24th birthday of debian have a pink 10 arm octopus when stretch is a purple 8 arm octopus? just curious?
11:34<Megaf>because lawsuits?
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11:34<Megaf>and because squid maybe?
11:34<Megaf>(just guessing)
11:34<W4RL0RD>Megaf, https://paste.debian.net/981819/
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11:35<Megaf>W4RL0RD, yep, mismatch of versions
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11:36<W4RL0RD>Thios didnt happen before i instal;led gnome btw
11:36<Megaf>W4RL0RD, apt remove chrome-gnome-shell gnome task-gnome--desktop
11:36<Megaf>W4RL0RD, apt autoremove
11:36<Megaf>W4RL0RD, and Im saying apt, not apt-get
11:36<Megaf>W4RL0RD, then try apt update and apt upgrade again
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11:36<Megaf>just be careful, read the things it will remove before pressing y
11:37<W4RL0RD>Megaf,
11:37<W4RL0RD>E: Unable to locate package task-gnome--desktop
11:37<Megaf>W4RL0RD, sorry, task-gnome-desktop
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11:37<W4RL0RD>Nothing
11:38<Megaf>that's alright, what about the apt autoremove ?
11:38<W4RL0RD>Not installed so nnot removed
11:38<Artox>cascardo: armhf and arm64
11:38<Artox>and I was apparently mistaken
11:39<Artox>it wants me to do plain boot.scr
11:39<Artox>I mean, it does the job
11:39<W4RL0RD>Megaf, Nothing
11:39<W4RL0RD>Like the paste i sent
11:40<Megaf>did it remove chrome-gnome-shell?
11:40<W4RL0RD>No'
11:40<W4RL0RD>Says not nstalled so not removed
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11:41<Megaf>W4RL0RD, if you do apt-get -f install now
11:41<Megaf>what happens?
11:42<W4RL0RD>megldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
11:42<W4RL0RD>dpkg: error processing package libc-bin (--configure):
11:42<W4RL0RD> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
11:42<W4RL0RD>Errors were encountered while processing:
11:42<W4RL0RD> libc-bin
11:42<dpkg>w4rl0rd: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
11:42<W4RL0RD>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
11:45<Megaf>W4RL0RD, please pastebin everythingg
11:45<W4RL0RD>It;s a huge output...
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11:46<Megaf>W4RL0RD, precisely.
11:46<W4RL0RD>Megaf, https://paste.debian.net/plain/981825
11:46<W4RL0RD>Oh you want it all wait
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11:49<W4RL0RD>Megaf, https://paste.debian.net/plain/981827
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11:50<Megaf>That's for the "plain" by the way
11:51<Megaf>W4RL0RD, The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
11:51<Megaf>that tells me you didn't read or do what I said
11:51<W4RL0RD>I did
11:51<Megaf>[16:36:15] <Megaf> W4RL0RD, apt autoremove
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11:51<W4RL0RD>autoremove does nothing
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11:52<Megaf>W4RL0RD, ok, let's clean that
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11:52<Megaf>W4RL0RD, apt remove *gnome*
11:52<Megaf>that should fix
11:52<W4RL0RD>Same shit'
11:53<Megaf>nothing to remove?
11:53<Megaf>tasksel remove gnome-desktop
11:53<Megaf>maybe that works?
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11:54<W4RL0RD>No output
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11:55<camis>iaer
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11:56<Megaf>W4RL0RD, apt-get --purge autoremove -y && apt-get --purge *gnome* -y && apt-get --purge autoremove -y && apt-get update
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11:57<W4RL0RD>Same
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11:58<Megaf>if you have no gnome package installed or pending for instalation, why the hack your apt wants to upgrade it?
11:59<Megaf>Ok, if anymore present with more idea, please come and help
11:59<W4RL0RD>Cause its autistic?
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12:00<W4RL0RD>Thanks for all your time and help Megaf
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12:01<cascardo>W4RL0RD: what's your /etc/ld.so.conf and /etc/ld.so.cache ?
12:01<cascardo>ld.so.conf only actually
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12:02<Megaf>W4RL0RD, anyway, in the future please always use a single version of Debian in your system. And never use non-official mirrors.
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12:03<W4RL0RD>cascardo, include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf
12:03<cascardo>W4RL0RD: can you pastebin: cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf
12:03<W4RL0RD>Megaf, Didnt know i had jessie.Though i changed it.
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12:05<W4RL0RD>cascardo, https://paste.debian.net/plain/981831
12:05<W4RL0RD>Megaf, Thought they were official
12:07<cascardo>W4RL0RD: stat /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
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12:08<W4RL0RD>https://paste.debian.net/plain/981832
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12:11<cascardo>W4RL0RD: stat /etc/ld.so.cache ?
12:12<Megaf>cascardo, maybe he has to rebuild the list of installed packages and clear all apt/dpkg caches
12:12<W4RL0RD>https://paste.debian.net/plain/981833
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12:19<cascardo>something is odd about this ldconfig failure, could be the reason or just something to throw us off the tracks
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12:23<W4RL0RD>What the fuck
12:23<W4RL0RD>Any more ideas?
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12:24<cascardo>W4RL0RD: sudo strace -o ldconfig.strace ldconfig
12:24<cascardo>then put that ldconfig.strace into a pastebin
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12:26<W4RL0RD>cascardo, Command not found
12:26<cascardo>can you install it, or does apt fail too?
12:27<W4RL0RD>Fails
12:27<cascardo>wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/strace/strace_4.15-2_amd64.deb && dpkg -i strace*deb
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12:29<W4RL0RD>Says no space
12:29<cascardo>he
12:29<W4RL0RD>And have 9gb left
12:29<cascardo>that explains everything
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12:29<cascardo>pastebin df -h
12:29<W4RL0RD>I have 9gb eft
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12:32<cascardo>depending on your partitioning, you might not have enough space in an important one
12:32<W4RL0RD>Maybe
12:33<cascardo>if you pastebin df -h, I can look at it
12:33<W4RL0RD>Ye one sec
12:33<cascardo>if it doesn't show anything odd, it's still possible to look at why there is no space when downloading or installing strace
12:34<W4RL0RD>https://paste.debian.net/plain/981840
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12:35<blast007>your root filesystem is full
12:37<W4RL0RD>I see
12:38<cascardo>problem identified
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12:40<W4RL0RD>Thanks so much
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12:40<Megaf>[17:35:56] <blast007> your root filesystem is full
12:40<Megaf>meh
12:40<Megaf>no words
12:41<Megaf>that explains everything
12:41<Megaf>apt couldnt even update its cache
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12:59<randy1985>I need some clarity about upgrading between releases, and this is probably gonna be a mouthful. I recently (after stretch became stable) tried to bring an outdated jessie system up to date, but realized that its packages and kernel weren't matching a fresh install of stretch on another system.
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13:01<randy1985>I eventually came around to seeing that my sources.list was still pulling "jessie/updates". After it to "stretch/updates", things went better. My question is, do I have to manually change those lines each time a new release drops in order to stay up to date?
13:02<randy1985>After changing* it
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13:03<annadane>randy1985, you can set it to "stable" which will point to whatever stable is
13:03<annadane>just be aware you've done that when the next one comes along
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13:05<randy1985>okay, I tried that too and it worked, but I wanted a second opinion. How does that effect the use of running dist-upgrade?
13:06<blast007>I'd recommend against using the 'stable' keyword in your sources. You want an upgrade to be a conscious decision, not a surprise.
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13:07<annadane>but yes if you want to use the release names like jessie stretch etc you'd need to change it to buster when that comes out
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13:09<randy1985>blast007, that's a good point
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13:13<randy1985>If you were to choose to keep running the previous release's kernel and packages, how significant of a security risk is that? Do the applicable security patches get backported to old release's? Are the old kernels still updated/patched?
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13:14<annadane>randy1985, the old stable does get security support for some months
13:15<annadane>how long precisely i'm not sure, i'm looking that up
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13:17<annadane>jessie will apparently be supported until june 2018
13:18<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
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13:20<randy1985>annadane, gotcha. I hadn't realized that was the purpose of oldstable. Thank you guys for helping
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13:23<annadane>note that LTS is a volunteer project and not official... but that page does give the "official" support deadline
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13:23<annadane>you can probably find better information elsewhere
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14:03<koleygr>Hi, does anybody use lxqt on debian 9? I asked on #debian-lxqt if it is a completed DE now but got no answer. I tried with lubuntu 16.04 and that was not really a "finished" and usable DE
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14:07<itd>koleygr: I doubt it is "finished", but as the lxqt version is 13 in stretch (vs. 4 in 16.04 - if I'm not mistaken) it might look different.
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14:09<koleygr>thanks itd... I will install and check it...
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14:12<luizromario>Hello, all. I managed to successfully upgrade to Stretch (using Plasma), but enabling OpenGL compositing makes the screen freeze. Any ideas?
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14:17<itd>luizromario: Try switching to a terminal and look into your logs. Depending on your card: maybe a driver issue?
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14:18<itd>luizromario: The quality (and quantity) of responses is maylikely to improve if you provide more information.
14:19<itd>s/maylikely to/may/
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14:26<broke>What happend to avahi-daemon?
14:26<broke>Why is it listening all the time§
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14:28<broke>When I was upgrading to stretch everything fucked up
14:28<broke>apt-get installed a lot of rubbish, for what?
14:29<broke>apache2, avahi-daemon fucking cans
14:30<itd>broke: rant -> /dev/null
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14:31<broke>itd: I think, what would you do if it'd happen on production server not my debian box
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14:34<broke>how can i kill the fucking avahi-daemon§
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14:35<tda>broke: service avahi stop?
14:35<broke>I tried
14:36<broke>no effect
14:36<broke># service avahi-daemon stop
14:37<broke>Warning: Stopping avahi-daemon.service, but it can still be activated by:
14:37<broke> avahi-daemon.socket
14:37<broke>but netstat says the fucking shit is still working
14:37<broke># netstat -ap
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14:37<broke>I've tried kill -9; pkill
14:37<tda>uninstall it if you are ok with removing whatever depends on it
14:38<tda>probably some useless gnomes hell applet
14:38<broke>I can't because while upgrading some shit have installed
14:38<broke>I will never again upgrade debian
14:39<broke>to next release
14:40<Blacker47>lol
14:40<broke>I think the smart apt-get installed it but avahi-daemon is like a backdoor to me because it's vulnerable
14:41<broke>I don't have the /etc/shells file
14:41<jmcnaught>avahi is a dependency of GNOME on both jessie and stretch
14:41<tda>what firewall are you using?
14:41<broke>I use fluxbox not gnome
14:41<broke>I've never installed gnome
14:41<jmcnaught>broke: clearly you had some package installed that depends on avahi, and then you answer yes to the package being installed while upgrading
14:42<jmcnaught>'aptitude why avahi-daemon'
14:42<broke>Does it work with apt-get?
14:42<jmcnaught>no it's an aptitude feature
14:44<broke>Is the /etc/shells nessasary for apt-get?
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14:45<tda>why does the art for the 24th birthday of debian have a pink 10 arm octopus when stretch is a purple 8 arm octopus? just curious?
14:47<jmcnaught>dselect: basic apt troubleshooting
14:48<jmcnaught>broke: check to see if the debianutils package is installed
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14:49<jmcnaught>where's the bot?
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14:54<bremner>broke: well, don't know how you killed it, but you could probably recreate it.
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14:55<broke>No, actually I've removed it successfully
14:55<bremner>this word successfully, I do not think it means what you think it means.
14:56<broke>bremner: I have a package from jessie, can I add jessie repo to sources.list and upgrade it?
14:56<bremner>anyway, real work calls. good luck.
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15:21<sdk>Question: Is it possible to show packages from a specific repository (e.g. non-free) with the command dpkg-query? If not, what would be the best solution to achieve that.
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15:23<piper>sdk: maybe something like dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\t${Package}\n' | grep ^non-free should work
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15:25<superkid>can someone chat with me please i want to chat
15:25<sdk>piper: Neat! Thanks.
15:25<piper>superkid: this is not a chat channel
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15:26<piper>sdk: no problem
15:26<sdk>superkid: #debian-offtopic :)
15:26<itd>superkid: or #moocows
15:26<superkid>is it not a chat channel?
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15:27<piper>superkid: this is a debian support channel
15:27<superkid>what does that mean?
15:27*piper puts superkid on ignore
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15:27<superkid>hi begriffs
15:27<superkid>i h8 u piper
15:28<itd>superkid: Stop spamming, try #moocows
15:28<superkid>#moocows
15:28<superkid>
15:28<superkid>...!
15:28<piper>itd seen that coming, why i gnore ;)
15:28<piper>ignore*
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15:30<itd>superkid: Try it with '/join #moocows' (just the text inside the quotes).
15:30<superkid>how do u type in red?
15:30<itd>superkid: Good first question for #moocows, once you joined.
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15:31<superkid>.?
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15:33<superkid_enderkid>hi
15:33<superkid_enderkid>im superkid
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15:34<superkid>oh yes i joined #moocows
15:34<superkid_enderkid>ao
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16:47<annadane>trying to use debian on a vm and i can't call openbox from the terminal? "failed to open the display from the display environment variable"
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16:49<broke>annadane: do you use gdm, xdm?
16:49<annadane>i guess i need a window manager
16:49<broke>annadane: do you use display manager
16:49<annadane>broke, i didn't install one, no, just openbox
16:50<broke>annadane: you have you create a file .xinitrc
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16:50<broke>annadane: how do you start the openbox by typing startx?
16:50<annadane>just by typing "openbox"
16:50<annadane>i guess startx is the way to open it?
16:50<broke>are you in terminal?
16:50<broke>yeah
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16:53<annadane>i'm such a noob :P
16:53<broke>did it work?
16:54<annadane>i actually didn't try it yet
16:54<annadane>let me do this again
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17:15<annadane>broke, startx command not found
17:15<annadane>so i guess i do need a dm of some kind
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17:16<tacocat>startx looks like part of package xinit, is that installed?
17:16<broke>annadane: install xinit
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17:16<broke>annadane: or maybe xdm
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17:17<tacocat>the xorg meta package installs xinit and some more stuff for a complete X
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17:18<annadane>interesting, startx now just gives a black screen
17:18<annadane>after installing xinit
17:19<coruja>i never had any problems installing and running openbox
17:20<annadane>i wonder if i need the xorg meta package
17:20<coruja>base install -> install xorg policykit-1 openbox
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17:22<coruja>annadane, and as you know, no real support without error messages, apt policies etc ;)
17:23<annadane>anyway i will trash this vm, just wanted to do basically that
17:23<annadane>but it's definitely an idea for future installations
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18:03<txt-file>I just installed mocp on my stretch amd64 notebook but when I start it it shows "mocp: alsa.c:319: alsa_read_mixer_raw: Assertion `RANGE(0, vol, 100)' failed."
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18:06<jathan>txt-file: Open Alsamixer and if the master or PCM values are at 100, change it to lower.
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18:08<txt-file>It's at 153. Thank you PulseAudio for fucking up audio again.
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18:09<txt-file>setting it to 100 helped. Thanks jathan
18:10<jathan>txt-file: Your welcome ;)
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18:51<N0rthlight>Hey If I have no bluetooth on my system can I asume it is safe to remove bluez? ( Bluetooth tools and daemons)
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18:54<txt-file>N0rthlight: true … check the dependencies.
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18:56<N0rthlight>The only thing is see that is questionable a little is pulseaudio however I do not fully understand how they linked.
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18:57<txt-file>not normal pulseaudio. The package is pulseaudio-module-bluetooth and can be removed without removing pulseaudio.
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18:58<annadane>if it does say pulseaudio by itself though don't just go ahead and remove it
18:58<N0rthlight>Looking
18:58<annadane>if it's just pulseaudio-module-bluetooth then fine
18:59<N0rthlight>yeah its the module.
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19:00<annadane>you're probably pretty safe with that kind of thing on debian stable
19:00<annadane>if you were on unstable there's a non zero chance it would try to remove "pulseaudio"
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19:05<N0rthlight>Hmm for some reason it added some appache file to the autoremoval?
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19:06<N0rthlight>Apache2
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19:08<N0rthlight>Oh well I will go all in :P .
19:09<annadane>remove and autoremove are different things
19:09<annadane>you don't "have to" autoremove unless you're concerned about space
19:09<annadane>entirely up to you
19:10<N0rthlight>Yeah.
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19:12<annadane>it's interesting that you'd have apache installed though
19:12<txt-file>especially tha
19:12<txt-file>especially that apache was set as automatically installed.
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19:13<txt-file>if it where manually installed then autoremove would not remove it.
19:13<coruja>aptitude why apache2
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19:16<annadane>you do get apache if you click the checkbox saying "web server"
19:17<txt-file>but then you have "task-web-server" set as manual installed
19:17<coruja>annadane, yes
19:17<annadane>which... i think is automatically enabled in the installer
19:18<annadane>i think that's the one i always uncheck
19:18<annadane>so it'd be quite easy to just go ahead with it
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19:23<txt-file>web server is not enabled by default.
19:23<txt-file>IIRC the print server and standard utils are selected by default
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19:27<N0rthlight>I did not
19:27<N0rthlight>CLick that thing for webserver
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19:28<N0rthlight>I only had cinnamon and the first one. Base package or something
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19:38<N0rthlight>txt-file So apache2 was auto installed? Even If I had nothing but Cinnamon and the base installation?
19:38<txt-file>should not
19:39<N0rthlight>I have no idea why it is there then.
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19:39<N0rthlight>I have installed nothing with connection with server.
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19:45<N0rthlight>Just looked at the log and it was there from installation I knew something didnt had up.
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19:46<annadane>as suggested you can "aptitude why apache2"
19:50<N0rthlight>I installed debian twice in the same day because of some mistake and with different package selected however I got the same number package both time I remenber the 1347 hehe
19:51<N0rthlight>Yeah resolved.
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19:52<N0rthlight>https://paste.debian.net/981896/
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19:52<N0rthlight>the ****** that get installed sometimes..
19:53<bremner>give us features they say. oh boo-hoo, you used $0.50 worth of disk they say
19:54*annadane gives bremner a cookie
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19:59<N0rthlight>there is a lot more issue then disk space coming out of *features* Multiples Daemons is one the main Linux security issues
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21:28<annadane>what are good router firmwares for debian? i looked up openwrt and came across https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWRT but it doesn't really address what i'm looking for
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21:28<annadane>i suppose it depends on my device
21:28<Arrowmaster>yup
21:29<annadane>actually, i'm sorry, this should be in #next because i'm on sid
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23:44<jpleau>Hi. I have a Debian stretch install at work, and I would like that when I login, credentials would be checked by the Windows server that is running on the network. Is it something that is easily doable? The (local) user already exists on the debian machine.
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