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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-08-23

---Logopened Wed Aug 23 00:00:25 2017
00:01<Z3r0N1n3x>follow me on twitter everybody : https://twitter.com/Z3r0N1n3x
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00:37<VR>Are there any tools available for benchmarking software? Wanna compare RAM and CPU usage of some terminals.
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00:38<VR>(terminal emulators, I mean)
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00:47<recca>I found "debian-update-9.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo" on the Internet.Is it used to update from debian9.0.0 to debian9.1.0?\
00:49<jmcnaught>!jigdo
00:49<dpkg>Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . https://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/
00:49<jmcnaught>recca: if you mean updating a computer from Debian 9.0 to 9.1, this will happen by doing regular package manager updates, like 'apt update && apt upgrade'
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00:50<jmcnaught>VR: have you considered using zram swap? https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/blockdev/zram.txt
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00:53<recca>jmcnaught:Well, the computer isn't able to connect to the Internet.I am trying to update it offline.
00:54<VR>jmcnaught: I didn't quite get from that page how zram could help me with that
00:54<VR>Basically I just want something to monitor and log different software doing (as closely as possible) the same thing and see how much ram and cpu they used
00:55<jmcnaught>VR: I would just use top or any other system monitor for that. I was more addressing your earlier comments about not having very much RAM
00:55<VR>More specifically, I want to compare ram and cpu usage of a couple quake-style terminals
00:56<VR>jmcnaught: oh, ok, I see now
00:57<jmcnaught>if you don't have a lot of memory you can use zram to make a compressed ram disk as swap space, which has the effect of compressing the content of your memory. You trade more memory for a little CPU usage
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00:58<jmcnaught>recca: I supposed you could use jigdo to download ISOs that you then add to your sources with apt-cdrom and upgrade the system that way
00:58<recca>jmcnaught: Thanks.
00:58<jmcnaught>recca: there's also apt-offline: https://debian-administration.org/article/648/Offline_Package_Management_for_APT
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01:15<kj>hi, i'm having a bit of trouble. I cannot find a way to get the correct drivers to run steam, it says it needs swrast_dri.so and swrast, but anything i try doesn't work
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01:18<towo^work>and your distro is?, your graphics card is?
01:18<kj>debian 9, geforce gtx 1080
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01:20<towo^work>and you have installed the nvidia blob? and if, how?
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01:23<kj>i think i just purged it, then tried to reinstall it again and it wouldn't let me
01:23<kj>yep, my nvidia drivers are gone
01:23<towo^work>"it wouldn't" is sayin zero
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01:25<towo^work>apt install nvidia-driver libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 should be all you need
01:26<towo^work>given you have multiarch enabled
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01:30<xormor_>https://pastebin.com/3KqfdG9c <--- how come no upgrades, even though 3 were supposed to be?
01:31<kj>ah, i just figured it out, some one made me put an unrecognized command in my ect/apt/sources thing
01:31<kj>and it just ruined any command i put in trying to get a driver
01:32<towo^work>and now you have fixed your sources.list?
01:32<kj>yes
01:34<kj>oh thank god, my laptop fans turned on finally. whwew, i was getting pretty scared i was gonna melt something
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01:41<jm_>!tell xormor_ -about localized errors
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01:47<xormor_>jm_, https://pastebin.com/3iA0J41Q
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01:52<jm_>xormor_: looks OK to me, you shouldn't need to run apt -t stretch-backports update - packages installed from there get upgraded automatically
01:52<jm_>or rather apt -t stretch-backports -f install
01:52<jm_>(regular update also pulls from all sources)
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02:12<prcups>Could anyone tell me what "Theming engine 'unico' not found" is?
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02:13<prcups>Thx
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02:13<jm_>a warning?
02:15<prcups>I just upgraded my system this morning and then the wallpaper lost
02:15<prcups>I have seen the log and it indicated this
02:16<prcups>I use LMDE,a debian-base system with cinnamon desktop environment
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02:23<prcups>Hello?
02:24<kj>hi
02:25<kj>im goin to bed, nini
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02:27<jm_>!lmde
02:28<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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02:32<prcups>oh thx
02:32<prcups>the problem has been solved in their forums
02:33<prcups>i got here only because it's the default channel in LXDE
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02:46<towo^work>ha
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04:00<madduck>does anyone know a storage provider with affordable pricing plans for terabytes of data, in such a way that I can mount the storage on a linux host, using fuse or the like?
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04:01<madduck>it needs to be something solid though, not some fuse project on github or the like
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04:34<OdyX>madduck: isn't that Amazon Glacier's usecase?
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04:41<madduck>OdyX: I was unaware Glacier provides random access that a filesystem would need, and last I heard, it can take hours before they make a file available to you.
04:41<madduck>Glacier is backed by tapes.
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04:44<OdyX>ah yes.
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04:50<legacy_warrior>hi, with debian-jessie i could set mysql root password with debconf-set-selections in my vagrant provisions with "mysql-server mysql-server/root_password password vagrant". this doesnt seem to work with debian-stretch anymore? what is the new way to set mysql-server root password from a script?
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04:57<sandu2d>Every time when i install some packages via console, I got this message: http://paste.debian.net/982646/
04:58<sandu2d>How can i resolve it? On i-net wrote that this mean system miss some packages, but what is this packages?
05:00<legacy_warrior>sandu2d: try the files with `dpkg -S` (that supposedly tells to which packages those files belong)
05:01<legacy_warrior>but normally no package should install to /usr/local/
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05:04<sandu2d>m, i got spam erorr on paste.debian :(
05:04<sandu2d>sandu2d@sandu2d-pc:~$ dpkg -S libQtCore.so
05:04<sandu2d>teamviewer:i386: /opt/teamviewer/tv_bin/RTlib/libQtCore.so.4
05:04<sandu2d>I need to reinstall this app ?
05:04<legacy_warrior>give the full path for dpkg -S
05:04<legacy_warrior>dpkg -S /usr/lib64/libQtCore.so
05:05<dpkg>Badgers ate my /usr/lib64/libQtCore.so!
05:05<legacy_warrior>hush bot!
05:05<sandu2d>sandu2d@sandu2d-pc:~$ dpkg -S /usr/lib64/libQtCore.so
05:05<sandu2d>dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/lib64/libQtCore.so
05:06<legacy_warrior>then i guess you need to tell ldconfig to forget that. but i dont know if/how to do that
05:06<legacy_warrior>does the file actually exist?
05:07<sandu2d>sandu2d@sandu2d-pc:/usr/lib64$ ls
05:07<sandu2d>gconv libQtCore.so.4 libQtGui.so.4 libQtNetwork.so.4
05:07<sandu2d>libQtCore.so libQtGui.so libQtNetwork.so
05:07<sandu2d>exist..
05:08<legacy_warrior>hmm, i wonder if that is a symlink? do debian packages track symlinks? (sorry, im not really a debian user)
05:08<sandu2d>i dont know, i`m new debian user :)
05:08<sandu2d>in general, new linux user
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05:10<legacy_warrior>try `file /usr/lib64/libQtCore.so` to see if its a symlink
05:10<sandu2d>http://paste.debian.net/982649/
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05:12<legacy_warrior>interesting, really an empty file
05:12<legacy_warrior>if no package owns it, i would delete it.
05:13<sandu2d>just delete file ?
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05:15<zumbi>legacy_warrior: I think you need to force preseed for passwords
05:16<sandu2d>you mean sudo rm <file name> ?
05:16<sandu2d>i`m not good in english too :D
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05:17<sandu2d>I removed: /usr/lib64/libQtCore.so && /usr/local/lib/libQtCore.so
05:18<sandu2d>how can i test if problem was resolved ?
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05:18<sandu2d>Messages appear only at install packages
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05:20<legacy_warrior>zumbi: "force preseed"?
05:21<legacy_warrior>sandu2d: remove and install a package :P
05:22<sandu2d>legacy_warrior: i did this steps: http://paste.debian.net/982652/
05:23<legacy_warrior>sandu2d: libQtCore.so is a file and with apt-get you install packages
05:23<zumbi>legacy_warrior: sorry, I was reading #640344 (apparently that is for simple-cdd
05:23<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/640344 in simple-cdd (open): «simple-cdd fails to preseed passwords»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-09-04; last modified: 2017-01-17.
05:24<legacy_warrior>sandu2d: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libQtCore.so&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any looks like libqt4-dev has that file
05:25<sandu2d>legacy_warrior: ok, i`ll try to install this packages
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05:27<sandu2d>legacy_warrior: After install these messages didn`t appear: http://paste.debian.net/982653/
05:28<sandu2d>legacy_warrior: Maybe problem was resolved
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05:28<legacy_warrior>\o/
05:28<loongxiaohan>hello
05:28<sandu2d>legacy_warrior: Thank you :)
05:29<legacy_warrior>sandu2d: youre welcome
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05:33<legacy_warrior>umm, why does removing mariadb-client-10.1 want to install package dbconfig-no-thanks ?!
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05:44<KjetilK>If I have a SSD and HDD in a KVM RAID, will I be able to take advantage of the bootup performance of the SSD?
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05:59<txt-file>what is a kvm raid?
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05:59<txt-file>KjetilK, ^
05:59<sep_>perhaps a lvm raid ? since k is quite close to l on the keyboard :)
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06:01<KjetilK>right, indeed, sep_ :-)
06:01<KjetilK>and possibly KVM is pretty close to LVM in my head too ;-)
06:02<KjetilK>their both some kernel stuff :-)
06:03<KjetilK>so, I'm about to upgrade my router and firewall box to stretch, and I have an SSD sitting around unused, so I figured I want to use it in the router for faster boot, but also mirror it with the HDD that's already there for redundancy
06:04<txt-file>with raid1 you should already get a performance improvement.
06:04<txt-file>otherwise there is dm_cache und other newer stuff
06:05<KjetilK>right
06:05<sep>not sure how 2 so different disks would behave. either writes are slow (when the slowest drive acks) but reads are fast since reading one drive suffices.
06:05<sep>or in the worst case the 2 different drives have a problem staying in sync and you get constant rebuilds
06:06<KjetilK>yeah, and it is specifically bootup performance that is important, and that's a read process mostly
06:06<KjetilK>after that it is just routing and firewalling, and I also have varnish on the box, so most of it is in RAM
06:06<sep>if they stay stable in a raid1 i would assume you got improved read performance yes
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06:07<KjetilK>ok, sounds good
06:07<sep>but have backups and test heavy writes to see if the raid is stable before depending on it to heavily
06:07<sep>and let us know how it goes. :)
06:07<KjetilK>yup, I will :-)
06:07<KjetilK>I expect some downtime :-)
06:08<KjetilK>sooo, I plan to first try and move things around and then upgrade
06:08<sep>if the ssd and hd fail at staying in sync you could look at bcache.
06:08<sep>will not give you redundancy tho
06:08<KjetilK>right, ok
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06:09<KjetilK>I posted about this the last time I thought about doing it: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=128097
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06:10<sep>hehe you write both lvm and kvm raid in that post as well :)
06:10<KjetilK>hehe, yeah...
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06:11<KjetilK>perhaps the easiest is to reinstall the system and use the installer to create the RAID...?
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06:12<KjetilK>I have /etc in etckeeper
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06:15<sep>KjetilK, i tend to just create the raid1 with 1 missing drive, lvmextend + pvmove or dd or cp clone the system onto the raid, depending on what it is. ; install grub on it and reboot onto the raid1. then add the old drive into the raid1
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06:15<KjetilK>looking at it now, it seems I started doing it, I have created sdb4 that is the same size as sda1
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06:15<KjetilK>right, sounds good!
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06:19<rovanion>Hmm, I have accidentally replaced /dev/sdb1 with a symlink. Is there any way I can restore this file without rebooting?
06:19<grawity>`mknod` it
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06:20<grawity>guess the device number based on what /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb2 have
06:20<grawity>or, actually, maybe `partprobe` or `partx --update` would work
06:22<legacy_warrior>hmm, apt-key has no verbose mode? what could make `apt-key adv --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 5072E1F5` hang forever?
06:23<rovanion>Hmm, neither seem to replace file :/. I tried giving them the path to sdb1 as an argument too.
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06:27<rovanion>Is there a copy of the file somewhere in /sys/block/sdb perhaps?
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06:28<grawity>cat /sys/block/sdb1/dev
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06:28<grawity>the two numbers map directly to `mknod /dev/sdb1 b <X> <Y>` parameters
06:28<rovanion>Thank you!
06:31<rovanion>I mean. I really hope I'm not referencing to some other drive now :D
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06:38<legacy_warrior>FWIW, oracle mysql server still works with debconf, yay! it uses "mysql-community-server mysql-community-server/root-pass password vagrant" and "mysql-community-server mysql-community-server/re-root-pass password vagrant". i guess debian mariadb doesnt support that at all anymore...
06:39<legacy_warrior>well, i hope i got oracle mysql, cause apt-key wont work here so i just used --allow-unauthenticated :P
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06:39<KjetilK>sep, how about an md raid with write-mostly for my application, is that a good idea?
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06:46<cruncher>legacy_warrior, try -v after adv
06:47<cruncher>and man gpg (since adv passes parameters to gpg directly)
06:47<grawity>it would also accept "--debug all" in that case
06:48<legacy_warrior>cruncher: ah, thank you! looks like it hangs at "gpg: connection to the dirmngr established"
06:48*legacy_warrior will try --debug all, if this doesnt advance
06:54<legacy_warrior>it hangs here http://paste.debian.net/982672/ i see it uses hkp://pgp.mit.edu, is hkp:// a protocol? does it use some exotic port? (im at work, dunno what they block)
06:55<grawity>it's http-ish but on port 11371
06:55<grawity>the pgp.mit.edu keyserver should accept the same on standard HTTP 80 though
06:55<legacy_warrior>can i tell it to use port 80?
06:55<grawity>the same way you do in any other URL
06:56<grawity>though maybe better use hkp://p80.pool.sks-keyservers.net:80
06:56<legacy_warrior>hows that?
06:56<legacy_warrior>grawity: thanks, :80 helped
06:56<grawity>(in fact ... have you tried *not* specifying a keyserver at all? I'm sure modern gnupg versions just default to hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net which runs over generic HTTPS :443)
06:57<legacy_warrior>grawity: awesome! not defining keyserver works too
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07:33<KjetilK_>I'm looking at https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Converting_an_existing_system#Installing_grub
07:34<KjetilK_>and grub-mkconfig doesn't seem to detect my array
07:34*KjetilK_ went for an md raid
07:34<KjetilK_>domdadm is in there, but not the UUID of the array
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07:51<legacy_warrior>hmm, why do i get "Apache2 Debian Default Page" when 000-default is disabled...
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07:53<legacy_warrior>nvm, that must come from somewhere else, cause i get it even when apache2 is not running...
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09:12<zzz>Would anyone know why when I install ParrotOS and restart my computer it acts like the install didnt happen (no I didn't run it Live)
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09:14<bremner>!parrot
09:14<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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09:15<zzz>oh very sorry, and thanks for the link
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09:27<KjetilK_>I have single partition setup, created an new md RAID and copied over everything from the old partition, updated fstab and I'm trying to get it into /boot/grub/grub.cfg
09:27<KjetilK_>and failing :-)
09:28<KjetilK_>I have mostly been following https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Converting_an_existing_system#Installing_grub
09:28<KjetilK_>but grub-mkconfig doesn't detect it
09:29<KjetilK_>I've tried to hack the grub.cfg itself, didn't help
09:29<KjetilK_>and I have set GRUB_DEVICE_UUID=30c01ed7-24cd-482e-84d2-785ae3acfd8c in /etc/defaults/grub
09:29<KjetilK_>but to no avail
09:30<KjetilK_>any idea of what I may be doing wrong?
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10:13<Spyro>anyone about who can give me a hand with some packaging stuff?
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10:15<grove>!ask
10:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:17<Spyro>grove: I did, in #packaging, but no-one seems to be present
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10:21<Spyro>Im attempting to make some packages for a
10:21<Spyro> customised debian system that install mostly configuration files
10:21<Spyro>14:55 < Spyro> they are replacements for the standard configuration files in some packages
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10:21<Spyro>14:56 < Spyro> the idea is that I dont want the originals to re-assert themselves on an upgrade
10:21<Spyro>14:56 < Spyro> is that feasible?
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10:21<grove>Spyro: The answer is no
10:21<grove>That is not feasible
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10:23<Spyro>is there an appropriate way to override existing debian configuration without it being blown away by updates ?
10:23<grove>Actually I guess the main problem would be installing your package(s), where apkg would complain about you trying to replace files from another package
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10:24<Spyro>is this not similar to the vim/vim-tiny case where both packages provide different versions of the same files
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10:25<grove>Spyro: Updates won't replace config files if you have made changes to them
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10:25<grove>Even though I use vim I have no idea how the packaging looks
10:26<Spyro>the usage scenario is a custom debian-based platform, which has a number of modified configuration files.
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10:27<Spyro>we need it to be upgradeable by the end user *without* interaction, and we need to be able to ship them new versions of the configuration in some kind of easy-to-install package
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10:36<grove>vim-tiny/vim-runtime uses diverts to supply the same files, but they have the major advantage (compared to your situation) that they *work together* to support it
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10:51<Spyro>so, what is the recommended way to distribute (as a single file) custom configurations for Debian systems
10:51<Spyro>?
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11:00<kok>hi
11:00<Spyro>hi
11:00<kok>Can I ask for help here about resolution changing after restart?
11:00<Spyro>I dont know.
11:00<kok>ok.
11:01<Spyro>No-one seems to be present anyhow
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11:02<annadane>!ask
11:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:02<annadane>kok, ^^
11:03<annadane>!ask to ask
11:03<dpkg>Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>.
11:03<Spyro>You know, that is literally the worst thing about IRC. people saying stuff like that.
11:04<kok>On my debian guest I added a new mode for resolution and also created .xprofile file in the home directory to save the settings. Then I reboot to check if the resolution is changed. Well the mode I set before deleted and not sure how to save the resolution after reboot.
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11:06<kok>.xprofile content: http://termbin.com/5awz
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11:07<kok>my DE is xfce
11:09<Spyro>QED.
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11:15<Zimsky>that's just PHEPH.
11:16<kok>ping me please for the answer.
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11:20<Spyro>Zimsky: PHEPH?
11:20<Zimsky>what about it
11:20<Spyro>you just said "Thats just PHEPH".
11:21<Spyro>whats that
11:21<Spyro>?
11:21<Zimsky>I know
11:21<Zimsky>I assume QED is referring to quod erat demonstrandum?
11:21<Spyro>yes
11:21<Zimsky>as opposed to quantum electrodynamics
11:21<Zimsky>oka
11:22<Zimsky>that's just post hoc ergo propter hoc
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11:22<Spyro>ok, never come across that one writyten that way before
11:22<Zimsky>never come across someone with the nick Spyro before
11:22<Spyro>what has my nick got to do with anyone ?
11:23<Spyro>*anything
11:23<duclicsic>!chat
11:23<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
11:23<Spyro>Dear god its no wonder no-one speaks in here...
11:23<Spyro>I asked a question and one person gave half ananswer.
11:23<Spyro>someone else asked, no-one answered.
11:23<Zimsky>welcome to irc
11:24<OdyX>Spyro: the answer to your question is "a single binary package" and/or "configuration management software" (chef, puppet)
11:24<Spyro>but we've now had about half a dozen people get the chatbot to passive-agressively tell people not to use normal human language
11:24<Spyro>Odyx: Thankyou!
11:24<duclicsic>Spyro: if you have need for help, ask and wait, and be gracious when someone volunteers to do so
11:24<duclicsic>we are not getting paid
11:25<OdyX>Spyro: I've used https://packages.debian.org/stable/config-package-dev with success
11:25<Spyro>OdyX: can you elaborate on "single binary package" ? I'd guessed I could use a single package, but how ?
11:25<OdyX>Spyro: build a package from a source package.
11:26<Spyro>duclistic: I have no trouble waiting - what hacks me off is people invoking things like !ask - but then IRC's unhelpful social culture has always irritated me.
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11:26<Spyro>OdyX: I dont follow?
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11:27<OdyX>Spyro: create a Debian source package. The build process will give you a binary package.
11:27<annadane>what else are we supposed to invoke? many people won't ask their question unless they get some kind of answer, and the dpkg commands are there for a reason
11:27<OdyX>Spyro: you have search engine starting points now :-)
11:28<Spyro>well yes, I'd assumed I'd need to create a source package with the things I need in it. - thanks for the link to config-package-dev, that looks like a lead
11:28<annadane>granted that i should have invoked !ask to ask as opposed to !ask in that specific situation
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11:28<Spyro>annadane: People ask to ask because they want to see if anyone is there who has knowledge in the area of their question.
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11:29<Spyro>and because, as very very frequently happens on IRC - if they dont ask to ask, and they "just ask" their question in the wrong place, they get fired into the sun as punishment.
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11:29<annadane>well, whatever, i'm not going to argue about it
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11:30<Spyro>no, I didnt think anything would change. This aspect of IRC culture has been a problem for 25 years and shows no sign of improving
11:30<kok>welp
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11:30<OdyX>It's quite specific to how the medium works. I'm idling all day, but will not context-switch if someone asks "is anyone around for $very-generic-question ?"; although I will if I have an answer to a specific question.
11:31<duclicsic>same
11:31<Spyro>Its also a reason why many people ask once and never come back.
11:31<annadane>also i've seen very few people get fired into the sun, people are quite patient at relocating off-topic questions
11:32<duclicsic>even the parrot linux people.. ugh
11:32<Spyro>annadane: thats not my experience of IRC to be fair
11:32<Zimsky>good for you
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11:33<annadane>i can understand disagreeing with irc culture if people are rude but i don't think "just ask your question" is particularly rude
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11:33<kok>O_O
11:33<Zimsky>Spyro: can I ask you a question
11:34<OdyX>Anyway. Let's stick to technical content. :)
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11:34<Spyro>I find the answers above to be counter to reality - if people "dont have the energy context switch to say "hi, can you be specific" to a general question, then why would they context switch just to say !ask. its the same amount of effort.
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11:34<Spyro>Zimsky: sure
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11:35<Zimsky>Spyro: on a scale of runlevels, how pointless is this conversation?
11:35<Spyro>OdyX: Social content is important too. Drive people away and projects die.
11:35<Zimsky>OdyX: I'll just use systemd analogies for everything
11:35<annadane>Spyro, but i do understand your point. it's easy to take for granted when one can simply invoke a command
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11:35<Spyro>Zimsky: You what?
11:36<aluno>hiroks
11:36<aluno>hack ?
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11:38<annadane>i think !ask is appropriate for "anyone here?" because it does give the best kind of information for that kind of question
11:39<annadane>but you could answer "is this the right place to ask..." with something more constructive than that, i agree
11:39<annadane>the thing about !ask to ask is it might inform other people in the channel who might have a question but are hesitant what the policy is
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11:40<annadane>that's kind of why you have bot commands, so people understand how you're supposed to do things
11:40<annadane>anyway yeah i guess this is off topic now
11:41<Spyro>except it doesnt work because about 9 times out of 10 people just think "what kind of arrogrant prick just gets a bot to answer for them" and never comes back.
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11:41<Spyro>(Im not calling anyone specifically a prick, but illustrating how it makes people feel)
11:41<annadane>well, ok, that's fair i guess. i haven't heard any feedback about this except from you so i don't know how many people have felt this way
11:42<Spyro>thats because Im one of the few people thick skinned enough to say "fuck it, I'm going to hang around anyway just in case".
11:42<Spyro>Time and Time again I've seen people ask, get a !ask style response, and quit.
11:42<zumbi>what is the right place to ask Debian docker related questions?
11:42<annadane>here
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11:43<zumbi>cool, is it sane to run systemd within docker container?
11:43<Spyro>^^^^ thats the correct way to handle it
11:43<zumbi>I want to run services within docker
11:44<Spyro>I have to go for now... back later
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11:45<zumbi>bye
11:45<annadane>Spyro, but thanks for sticking up for your point of view, i really hadn't thought of it that way
11:45<Spyro>no worries.
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11:46<Spyro>One of the problems of a long-ingrained culture. Debian is supposed to be big on encouraging participation, and IRC is a really important place for that.
11:47<Spyro>I really do have to go now though. If anyone wants to discuss this further, I'll be back later, and I'm on Facebook (Ian Molton).
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11:48<annadane>also #debian-offtopic
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11:53<kok>to ask my question again?
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11:54<annadane>yeah, kok. sorry.
11:54<ssph>boot
11:54<ssph>offline if protocol ftp in 1hours
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11:55<kok>On my debian guest I added a new mode for resolution and also created .xprofile file in the home directory to save the settings. Then I reboot to check if the resolution is changed. Well the mode I set before deleted and not sure how to save the resolution after reboot.
11:55<kok>.xprofile content: http://termbin.com/5awz
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12:04<cruncher>kok, why set it with a script? what DE do you use?
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12:04<tda>why doesn't exclude in this rsync command work? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/fb7c6bcc/
12:05<kok>XFCE
12:05<cruncher>kok, so why you dont set it there with the display settings program?
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12:06<kok>do you mean the xfce display?
12:06<cruncher>kok, yes
12:08<kok>I didn't tried but I try with xfce
12:08<kok>xrandr*
12:09<cruncher>kok, no, i mean why you use xrandr and not the normal xfce program?
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12:11<cruncher>why use a script? the resolution in xfce is/stays saved once its set
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12:13<kok>The resolution I need is not listed in there. I have to add it manually using xrandr.
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12:14<cruncher>kok, ok, in that case, just rename your .xprofile to .xsessionrc, then login again
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12:16<kok>.xsessionrc?
12:17<kok>oh i didnt know that :D
12:17<kok>i will try and update
12:17<cruncher>.xprofile is not being read (anymore)
12:18<hthoreau>Hi, I'm a Subgraph user. Yes, I already tried their to contact their room here at the OFTC.
12:18<hthoreau>By any chance, does someone here know how to use paxrat, or audit grsec errors?
12:19<Walex>kok: cruncher: it used to be just '.xsession' so check that too
12:19<hthoreau>I'm having bijiben blocked for "denied RWX mprotect"
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12:24<cruncher>no, if you use .xsession, you have to make sure that the WM/D is being launched, so better not use it for something only like setting resolution
12:24<cruncher>meaning, if you just rename the one you have to .xsession, you will not be able to login anymore
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12:26<kok>seems its not working
12:28<cruncher>kok, did you try if the script works when you run it manually?
12:28<kok>yes
12:28<kok>I tried bash .xsessionrc
12:28<kok>and then I reboot
12:28<cruncher>maybe its too early to set resolution. Even maybe better if you put it into ~/.config/autostart
12:29<cruncher>kok, no need to reboot, just logout from xfce, then login back in
12:29<kok>i will check how to do it then
12:30<kok>there is no directory 'autostart' in .config so to create it?
12:30<cruncher>kok, yes,
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12:32<cruncher>kok, you will have to save it as a proper desktop file
12:33<kok>what?? im cheking it then
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12:34<kok>so i created autostart directory and put the file there
12:34<cruncher>yes
12:34<kok>and then logout and login but it didn't do anything
12:34<cruncher>the *.desktop file you correctly created
12:35<cruncher>...which calls your resolution changing script
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12:36<kok>the ame of the file is .xsessionrc
12:36<kok>name*
12:36<cruncher>kok, no, change the name
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12:37<cruncher>exmaple: your script is ~/bin/changeres.sh, then create a ~/.config/autostart/changeres.desktop
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12:39<kok>the changeres is important?
12:39<cruncher>kok, no the name you can choose
12:39<cruncher>was only an example
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12:40<kok>no it doesn't work
12:40<cruncher>if you do it right, it works
12:40<kok>it is not!
12:40<cruncher>kok, did you create the desktop file *correctly*?
12:41<cruncher>it is *not* just a "script"
12:41<kok>the file 'res.desktop' in ~/.config/autostart
12:41<cruncher>yes, so how what is inside res.desktop
12:41<cruncher>*show
12:41<kok>have the content of the file like xrandr commands
12:42<cruncher>kok, you see, thats not correct.. like i said, it is not a script
12:42<cruncher>menter man xdg-desktop-menu, and read the section "Desktop files"
12:42<kok>ok well i have to check what is it suppose to be then
12:42<cruncher>s/menter/enter
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12:44<kok>so i can create a script and inside the .desktop to call it?
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12:44<cruncher>kok, just make sure the "Exec=" entry has your script name
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12:48<cruncher>kok, and dont use ~ in Exec=... write full path (like "/home/kok", not "~")
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12:49<kok>ok
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13:03<kok>it doesn't work
13:05<cruncher>then you have somewhere an error. Use paste.debian.net to show the desktop file
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13:08<cruncher>and also do "ls -l /path/to/your/scriptfile"
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13:14<jathan73>msg NickServ register -w3ist4bl4 jonathanslart@openmailbox.org
13:14<kok>O_O
13:14<kok>cruncher: http://termbin.com/p17l
13:14<jathan73>Shit, sorry.
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13:15<cruncher>kok, i see you invented the parameter "Path" ;-)
13:16<cruncher>kok, in "Exec=", put the full path+filename
13:16<cruncher>and the file res.sh doesnt have to be in autostart
13:16<annadane>jathan73, change your password
13:17<jathan73>annadane: Yes, thank you ;)
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13:17<kok>cruncher: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Desktop_entries
13:18<kok>where does it need to be?
13:18<cruncher>no "need"... as you are probably ging to have more than this script some day, create ~/bin or so
13:18<cruncher>s/ging/going
13:19<cruncher>and i mean more than Path= was not needed
13:19<kok>i dont understand
13:20<cruncher>its really easy: /home/kok/bin/res.sh, and in the desktop file change "Exec=/home/kok/bin/res.sh"
13:20<cruncher>make sure res.sh is executable, and finished
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13:21<cruncher>(and no "Path=")
13:21<kok>works
13:22<kok>:D thanks
13:22<kok>why the path does not make it work?
13:23<cruncher>the path= was not the problem, but its not needed
13:23<kok>ok i fixed..
13:24<kok>but i dont like that solution although it works
13:24<cruncher>you can go back to .xsessionrc, and put a sleeping timer
13:25<cruncher>but this solution is "better"
13:27<kok>there is no config script or something for xorg?
13:27<kok>is that what people do to change resolution?
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13:28<cruncher>normally they change it in the settings program
13:28<cruncher>and your case isnt normal, where you cannot see a resolution which your monitor is clearly able to do
13:28<cruncher>but yes, many use xrandr to set resolution
13:28<cruncher>for whatever reason
13:29<kok>that's why people don't use linux? :D
13:30<cruncher>this is going offtopic (join #debian-offtopic for that :))
13:30<kok>it's just i dont believe that the option for resolution is by scripting it's so weird
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13:31<cruncher>its not weird... just why do it like that when you have a nice program where you set it 1 time, and its stays saved
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13:31<cruncher>as per your case, i would have first checked why the resolution is not visible
13:31<cruncher>but you wanted to know how to autostart a script
13:32<cruncher>so thats what you got
13:32<kok>the debian is on virtual machine
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13:32<cruncher>kok, nice to know (now).. betetr late than never?
13:32<cruncher>anyway, i have to go now
13:33<kok>ok thanks for helping..
13:33<kok>have to find alternative solution
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13:35<kok>I said it proof: "On my debian guest".
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13:38<Aurelius>hi
13:38<Aurelius>anyone here wher speak german???
13:39<kok>what is your question?
13:39<annadane>!de
13:39<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
13:39<kok>noice
13:39<annadane>i would say that's an appropriate time for using the bot :P
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13:40<kok>Can I make the terminal window hidden on start? it's ugly...
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13:42<Brigo>kok, install plymouth
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13:46<kok>what?
13:47<kok>i found
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13:56<jurek1234>Hi, does anyone ever tried Radeon r9 270x on debian? Is there any open firmware for that? thanks
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14:08<jhutchins_wk>!radeon
14:08<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
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14:11<posterdati>hi
14:11<kok>hi
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14:11<posterdati>please I need help installing an hp wifi direct mouse
14:12<posterdati>the laptop wifi board works with p2p and p2p-go
14:12<grawity>... wifi direct mouse? now that's something I've never seen
14:12<posterdati>I see the mouse connecting and disconnecting to the wifi, because the system hasn't got ozwpan module
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14:13<posterdati>ozwpan module is an usb over wifi module
14:13<posterdati>but on debian is not on the original 4.9 kernel
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14:14<jhutchins_wk>posterdati: I think you may be confusing your terms, wifi means 802.11 wireless networking. Wireless mice don't use that.
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14:16<posterdati>http://www8.hp.com/emea_middle_east/en/products/oas/product-detail.html?oid=5095508
14:17<posterdati>jhutchins_wk: you think wrong
14:17<el>^^
14:17<el>sorry
14:17<Blacker47><tda> why doesn't exclude in this rsync command work? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/fb7c6bcc/ <-- i think because you use absolute paths at exclude and that don't align with absolut paths at source/dest.
14:17<posterdati>jhutchins_wk: the mouse is packaged as wifi direct mouse
14:19<jhutchins_wk>posterdati: You're right, that's what they claim. It wouldn't be 802.11, but the answer is right on that page: "compatible only with this software".
14:20<grawity>well, "compatible only with this software" doesn't imply "not 802.11" though
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14:21<grawity>it might very well use a custom protocol over p2p ... like miracast for displays
14:21<posterdati>jhutchins_wk: no problem, but I need help to understand what ozwpan module is and why is not in debian kernel
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14:22<posterdati>https://fabiobaltieri.com/2013/02/14/hp-wi-fi-direct-mouse-on-linux/
14:22<posterdati>behold!
14:22<posterdati>I resolved the part with the wifi board, but not for the ozmo driver!
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14:28<jhutchins_wk>grawity: Yeah, apparently it does.
14:28<jhutchins_wk>posterdati: I don't see the ozwpan driver on standard stretch.
14:29<jhutchins_wk>,kernels
14:29<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc5-686 (4.13~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
14:29<judd>(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
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14:32<jhutchins_wk>posterdati: https://github.com/chunkeey/ozwpan or recompile the kernel with the module enabled.
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14:34<jhutchins_wk>posterdati: http://elixir.free-electrons.com/linux/v3.12/source/drivers/staging/ozwpan
14:38<jhutchins_wk>posterdati: Not in 4.9 that I can find, it had serious vulnerabilities and may have been removed.
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14:52<kok>Brigo: can you elaborate?
14:54<Brigo>kok, it simple, install it and configure it. (Check documentation in /usr/share/doc/plymouth/)
14:55<kok>but how to configure there the resolution?
14:55<kok>any idea why .xsessionrc didn't work?
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14:56<jhutchins_wk>kok: Perhaps because you are not in an x session?
14:56<kok>what is x session...
14:57<posterdati>jhutchins_wk: thanks, yes I found that there would be problem with that module...
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15:18<santiago_>hi
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15:18<santiago_>i need help with a panasonic toughbook cf 31
15:19<santiago_>i installed debian 9 ane i'm having random X server crashes
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15:19<santiago_>i cannot find anything useful in /var/log/{syslog kernel user messages}...
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15:20<kok>Which DE?
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15:21<annadane>santiago_, what kok said and also what does dmesg | grep firmware give you?
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15:23<santiago_>hi
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15:24<santiago_>it happens with heavy window and mouse activity, maybe a graphic driver problem?
15:24<kok>also don't paste here.. use pastebin or something
15:24<annadane>paste.debian.net is usually the go to
15:25<jhutchins_wk>santiago_: Also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log - very noisy but X specific.
15:25<jhutchins_wk>santiago_: Intermittents are very hard to track down if you can't reliably trigger them.
15:26<jhutchins_wk>kok: An x session is when you are logged in on the GUI desktop.
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15:26<santiago_>jhutchins_wk: i have screen blinks once in a while
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15:27<santiago_>blinks are more frequent when on heavy activity
15:27<kok>jhutchins_wk: I was in GUI Desktop
15:27<santiago_>i'm using KDE so i'll try LXDE to see if it happens the same
15:27<annadane>santiago_, but yes, dmesg | grep firmware please
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15:29<annadane>(you'll need to be root)
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15:31<santiago__>i'm back
15:31<santiago__>https://paste.debian.net/982765/
15:32<annadane>okay, so the problem isn't that
15:32<annadane>but yeah, so try LXDE, it may be that your hardware isn't powerful enough for plasma
15:33<santiago__>i added the grub parameter cited in this page
15:33<santiago__>http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/panasonic-toughbook-cf31-mk5-linux-guide.784843/
15:33<santiago__>but the problem persists
15:33<santiago__>it is a core i5 with intel graphics
15:34<santiago__>it should handle KDE, it feels very smooth
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15:34<santiago__>also i tried rendering with OpenGL 3.1, 2.0 and Xrender
15:34<santiago__>but still the same
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16:00<phil5354>I have a random question for those who are web experts
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16:01<phil5354>I want to start a practice project for a website
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16:01<phil5354>On that website, I want the user to be able to view a table but manipulate it as you would like a pivot table on excel. Where do I start?
16:02<phil5354>For example, it's a collection of books but they can group OR sort by the criteria that they choose
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16:03<tda>like google sheets?
16:04<santiago_>hi
16:04<santiago_>well, it seems that is a KDE problem
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16:08<phil5354>tda: yes basically :)
16:08<phil5354>but they don't need to create data
16:08<phil5354>just view it
16:08<iona>phil5354: not sure that question has a great deal to do with Debian
16:09<phil5354>iona: it doesn't and I'm sorry about that, do you know other IRC channels which would be better for these types of questions ?
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16:12<iona>#debian-offtopic ?
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16:26<inkbottle>phil5354: There is a ##javascript on freenode, and a #html5; don't know if that could be suitable though
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16:29<grove>I'm far from good enough to javascript to do it myself, but I'm pretty sure javascript would be the main component of such a site, so that javascript channel is a good bet for a place
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16:54<phil5354>iona, inkbottle: thanks and sorry for the wrong channel
16:55<phil5354>grove: thanks for pointing me in the right direction, I'm the same as you with no idea where to go but I'll explore js
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17:34<Guest3192>hello, have you link for help me, phone and connect to internet via a usb HSDPA ?
17:35<Guest3192>only on debian or linux, no windows please
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17:36<Guest3192>is a bad question ?
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17:38<KjetilK_>Guest3192, no, but there are perhaps not too many people around now
17:38<KjetilK_>hang around longer, and perhaps someone knows. Myself, I haven't done things like that for a very long time
17:39<Guest3192>oki KjetilK_ thk
17:39<KjetilK_>perhaps you need to say more about what you've done and any error messages you have encountered
17:40<Guest3192>KjetilK_ thk , you are here, and good, thk
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17:41<Guest3192>KjetilK_ i am a old computer user, i 50 odl :)
17:41<Guest3192>linux and usb modem, is not easy
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17:42<Guest3192>android is a linux distro, very easy to share 4G
17:42<KjetilK_>yeah
17:43<Guest3192>yes android is special distro
17:43<KjetilK_>I connected an old mobile to my computer and used GPRS around 1998 :-)
17:44<Guest3192>KjetilK_ oki you are a killerman of linux
17:44<KjetilK_>now, using the mobile as a Wifi AP is very easy
17:44<KjetilK_>naaah, just been around for a while :-)
17:44<Guest3192>me in 1998, i work on windows 95, money is money
17:44<KjetilK_>but I haven't use a USB modem
17:44<KjetilK_>hehe
17:45<Guest3192>KjetilK_ here is france, and windows is the best... not cool sure
17:46<Guest3192>KjetilK_ where are you from ?
17:46<KjetilK_>Norway
17:46<Guest3192>Oki not the same place
17:47<KjetilK_>hmmm, perhaps I was overselling it a bit, Wikipedia says GPRS opened in 2000
17:47<Guest3192>KjetilK_ ok i have loose some information
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17:49<Guest3192>KjetilK_ some time i must be a windows, linux, oracle, mysql or other specialist
17:49<Guest3192>pfffff hard is the rock
17:49<KjetilK_>mmmm
17:50<Guest3192>here never work with debian, linux is redhat here
17:50<KjetilK_>The last time I actually used windows was in 1996 or thereabouts
17:51<KjetilK_>it was a long period of OSF/1 in the 90-ties, but other than that mostly Debian since 2002
17:51<KjetilK_>potato was the first Debian release I installed
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17:53<Guest3192>KjetilK_ i am 50 ald and you ?
17:53<KjetilK_>44
17:53<Zimsky>"windows is the best"
17:54<Guest3192>windows is the best for a lot of
17:54<Guest3192>Computer manager
17:55<Guest3192>in france
17:55<KjetilK_>anyway, gotta go to bed, I'll be back and ask about grub tomorrow morning :-)
17:55<Guest3192>KjetilK_ have a good night
17:56<KjetilK_>thank you!
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17:58<Guest3192>here how much user ?
17:58<Guest3192>i am new on irc
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18:09<annadane>!chat
18:09<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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18:17<amorim>ola
18:17<justin_>ola
18:17<amorim>boa noite
18:17<sney>!br
18:17<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:17<amorim>tc de onde?
18:17<justin_>canada
18:17<amorim>nossa!!!!
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18:20<kok>why there is no /usr/sbin in path?
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18:21<kok>oh because it's root stuff? but reboot is not required root :O
18:22<kok>how does root have /sbin path but normal user don't :O
18:26<dboles>because that's the whole point of /sbin
18:26<dboles>http://www.linfo.org/sbin.html
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18:34<kok>thx dboles for answer
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18:59<k-man>is there an apt getable screenshot app that supports posting to a hosted online service?
19:01<somiaj>I would use scrot, then write a script that uploads the resulting image to the online service.
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19:03<k-man>*sigh*
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19:05<somiaj>but I can't think of any single tool that would do that. What online service do you want to upload your screenshots to?
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19:05<k-man>whichever is easiest
19:05<k-man>i used to use one - but i can't remember what its called any more
19:06<somiaj>I don't really know of good image hosts out there. But I would split this into two problems. First figure out the best way (for you) to upload the image to some host you want to use (imgur maybe) and then second, scrot is a really nice app to take screenshots
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19:07<k-man>somiaj, ok thanks
19:07<somiaj>and then it won't be difficult to write a script to combine the two once you figure it out.
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19:13<jmcnaught>k-man: try doing apt-cache searches for the names of image hosts to see if any packages mention them in their descriptions
19:16<somiaj>yea, apt-cache search imgur returns shutter as a more featureful screen shot program that can upload to imgur and maybe other sites
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19:22<k-man>shutter seems to be what I used before
19:22<k-man>at the moment its not cooperating with me though
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19:34<libcomm>doeas anyone know the server the devuan channel is on?
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19:35<jmcnaught>!devuan
19:35<dpkg>Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a Debian <derivative>, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on chat.freenode.net for support.
19:35<libcomm>thank you, I just installed it
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19:39<bremner>heh, and don't let them know you were here.
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20:05<VR>Is there anything similar to smuxi-server? As in: an IRC daemon that a frontend can just connect to sometimes without having to keep a window/terminal open?
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20:07<bremner>bip? znc? weechat-daemon?
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20:08<VR>Main use case is to keep connected to channels and having them logged without overtaxing my very old underpowered computer with something like HexChat or irssi open at all times?
20:08<sney>+1 for znc
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20:09<bremner>these days I use bip; I was reasonably satisfied with znc also
20:09<VR>The secondary reason I'm looking for something like that is to try my hand at some Vala+GTK programming without having to do too much of the low level IRC stuff
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20:13<VR>znc and bip look promising, thanks a lot!
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20:16<kj>I have an intel processor, but the kernel version i have says amd64, what should i do?
20:17<jmcnaught>!why amd64
20:17<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64
20:18<jmcnaught>kj: nothing to worry about
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20:33<sney>haven't heard that one in a while.
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20:36<kj>anyone know of any good IRC's based strictly around coding?
20:37<annadane>kj, clients or channels?
20:37<kj>either 1
20:39<coruja>there are some programming/scripting language channnel on freenode
20:39<coruja>channels
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23:03<k-man>can you turn off the hot desktop corners in gnome?
23:08<jmcnaught>k-man: there might be an extension that does it
23:09<enick_426>From https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ : "The mac netinst CD here is a special version of the netinst CD image that is targeted specifically at older 64-bit Intel Macintosh machines. It will likely work on most other amd64 machines too, but it does not contain UEFI boot files that some people need."
23:09<enick_426>How old, though, exactly?
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23:58<jathan73>Hi. Does someone know how to fix the problem gpg: keyserver refresh failed: No keyserver available in Debian Stretch when command gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --refresh-keys is executed please?
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