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---Logopened Thu Aug 24 00:00:26 2017
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00:02<likcoras>jathan73: try hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net
00:04<jathan73>likcoras: Thanks. It stucks in the message gpg: refreshing 95 keys from hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net
00:04<likcoras>It takes a while.
00:04<likcoras>At least for me.
00:05<likcoras>btw, --keyservers is deprecated. usr dirmngr if possible.
00:05<likcoras>use*
00:05<jathan73>likcoras: Could you share the command with dirmngr please?
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00:06<likcoras>Oh, gpg uses dirmngs
00:06<likcoras>gpg uses dirmngr in the background
00:06<likcoras>see if you have it installed, and if so, look at $HOME/.gnupg/dirmngr.conf
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00:08<likcoras>The default is to use sks-keyservers.
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00:08<likcoras>So you probably don't have to edit anything at all.
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00:11<jathan73>likcoras: Perfect. I have installed dirmngr. Do I need to execute in a different way that gpg --keyserver hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net --refresh-keys?
00:11<likcoras>just gpg --refresh-keys
00:11<likcoras>no more defining keyservers in the command line
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00:14<jathan73>likcoras: It fails but at seems gpg is taking the values from gpg.conf. I do not have the dirmngr.conf yet.
00:14<jathan73>Do I need to create it manually?
00:14<likcoras>dirmngs.conf can be empty, the defaults are just fine.
00:14<likcoras>what is the error?
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00:20<jathan73>likcoras: Well, having hkp://keys.gnupg.net set in my gpg.conf, the error was gpg: keyserver refresh failed: No keyserver available executing gpg --refresh-keys. I have changed the keyserver value to hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net and now when I execute gpg --refresh-keys, the ouput stucks as before in gpg: refreshing 95 keys from hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net
00:20<likcoras>Oh, just get rid of the line in your gpg.conf
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00:22<jathan73>likcoras: So should I comment the line keyserver hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net in .gnupg/gpg.conf and create a dirmngr.conf file?
00:23<likcoras>Not sure if you need to create the file, but go ahead.
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00:25<jathan73>likcoras: I have commented the line in gpg.cond and when I execute again gpg --refresh-keys, is still happening the same delaying in the output.
00:26<likcoras>It nornally takes a while, especially if you have a lot of keys.
00:26<likcoras>Just wait.
00:26<jathan73>likcoras: Ok.
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00:42<jathan73>likcoras: gpg: keyserver refresh failed: Server indicated a failure :(
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04:27<marcus___>I was wondering why this module https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/platform/x86/intel_cht_int33fe.c isn't included in the Debian linux image packages
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04:27<marcus___>for 4.12
04:27<marcus___>I think this driver would enable battery status on Cherry trail devices
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04:38<jm_>marcus___: and stable 4.12 upstream kernels include it?
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04:41<marcus___>yep, I just checked in the 4.12.6 tar ball from kernel.org
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04:42<hiq[m]>4.12.* is in testing and unstable, not in stretch or stretch-backports
04:43<hiq[m]>are you using testing / unstable?
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04:44<jguillen>Hello, Im having issues with my wfi connection, and sometimes it just dont connect
04:44<jguillen>Where can I find some help with this?
04:44<jguillen>I've checked my dmesg to get some info
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04:46<marcus___>testing, yes
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04:46<jguillen>Is there a place where I can see a deeper info rather than dmesg ?
04:46<jguillen>regarding my wifi device
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04:49<grove>jguillen: That probably depends on your wifi device
04:50<jguillen>grove, mine is a Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter
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05:03<grove>jguillen: You probably already know what it can tell you, but dpkg knows a little about that:
05:03<grove>!AR9485
05:03<dpkg>Atheros AR9485-based wireless LAN devices (PCI IDs 168c:0032, 168c:0037) are supported by the Linux kernel since Linux 2.6.39, ask me about <ath9k>.
05:08<jguillen>!ath9k
05:08<dpkg>ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <carl9170>.
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05:09<jguillen>grove, yep, It should work fine. But sometimes my laptop just wont connect to an SSID, despite other devices are correctly connected, and even SSIDs are not detected, so I was wondering how to do a better debug of my wifi connection
05:09<jguillen>thanks anyway ;)
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05:09<jackpatil>hi
05:10<jackpatil>hi bro
05:11<annadane>hi. question?
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05:12<jackpatil>byyy\
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05:47<Drzacek>Hello there
05:47<kok>Hi
05:47<Drzacek>I'm using x11vnc, or at least trying to
05:47<Drzacek>It crashes every ~minute
05:48<Drzacek>http://paste.debian.net/982827/
05:48<Drzacek>*** stack smashing detected ***: x11vnc terminated
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05:50<jm_>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=859213
05:50<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/859213 in x11vnc (open): «x11vnc: stack smashing detected: x11vnc terminated»; severity: important; opened: 2017-03-31; last modified: 2017-08-19.
05:51<jm_>apparently this fixes the issue - https://github.com/LibVNC/x11vnc/pull/25
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05:52<jm_>looking at the diffs it should be simple to take the source package, apply the diff, build it
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06:38<Drzacek>jm_, am not sure how to proceed
06:38<Drzacek>I need to get those 2 commits?
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06:40<jm_>Drzacek: apt-get source x11vnc, grab those commits and apply them, debuild -uc -us -b -j
06:40<Drzacek>jm_, I git cloned that repo, looks like those changes are already there
06:41<jm_>Drzacek: yeah the pull has been accepted
06:41<Drzacek>now only to find out what configure flags do I need
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06:42<jm_>that's why I said better take debian source package and build that
06:44<Drzacek>I'm not sure how to get those commits - do I just copy the contents and paste it to some text file
06:44<Drzacek>?
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06:45<Drzacek>http://paste.debian.net/982831/
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06:46<jm_>https://github.com/LibVNC/x11vnc/pull/25/commits -> click c93... -> add ".diff" to the URL, reload, save, repeat for the other change
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06:47<Drzacek>got it
06:47<jm_>even better, https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.com/raw/LibVNC/x11vnc/pull/25.diff
06:47<jm_>one just adds ".diff" to the pull request URL :)
06:48<jm_>and gets it all in one go
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06:53<Drzacek>jm_, ok, applied the diff files, but having trouble with building
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06:54<jm_>Drzacek: forgot to mention, run this first: «apt-get build-dep x11vnx»
06:54<jm_>x11vnc
06:54<Drzacek>yeah, unmet dependencies
06:55<Drzacek>I though just installing them will solve this
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06:55<jm_>it should, that's the easy way to install them
06:56<Drzacek>its compiling
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06:58<jm_>the package should be built in .. so ls -l ../*deb
06:58<jm_>install it with dpkg and test
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07:11<Drzacek>jm_, looks like it works, its been almost a minute now and its working
07:12<Drzacek>I tried opening various popups (since thats when the problem occured), so far so good
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07:17<Drzacek>thanks for help jm_
07:18<jm_>Drzacek: no problem
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07:20<jm_>note that apt might install debian's version in the future, if that happens, rebuild it with changed version number (man dch) and install that one or if it's a security update, rebuild it with new sources (and newer version)
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07:21<Drzacek>jm_, I'm hoping that any newer version debial provides will have this problem solved
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07:22<jm_>Drzacek: probably not in stretch though, so look out for a possible backport perhaps
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07:23<Drzacek>jm_, why not in stretch? its fairly new system, one would expect it will get some updates
07:25<jm_>Drzacek: you typically only get security updates in stable - not sure if this bug classifies as such
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07:27<Drzacek>oh okay
07:27<Drzacek>well, in either case - I don't have automatic updates and I usually check what I install when doing dist-upgrade
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07:28<kaimo>hey all
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07:30<grumpy>I go banana i have "UUID=x-x-x-x /media/alex ext4 defaults 0 0 " in fstab and stil it mount as root onlyafter chown and chmod it work as expected.what is wrong ? deb 8.8 this is a second hard drive
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07:33<grawity>that's perfectly normal for ext4
07:35<grumpy>grawity : bummer but how to solve it
07:37<grawity>either use chown/chmod, or use a filesystem which doesn't support ownership
07:37<cascardo>Drzacek: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/03/msg00010.html
07:37<cascardo>about what goes into stable-updates, besides the security updates that go into security
07:39<Drzacek>cascardo, thanks, gonna give it a lick
07:39<cascardo>grumpy: after you chown, it should work just as fine after you unmount and mount back again
07:39<Drzacek>s/lick/look
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07:39<grumpy>cascardo: Will try
07:41<grumpy>Nope din`t work
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07:42<grumpy>Sorry after this time it do work pfffff
07:42<grumpy>scared system i presume
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07:52<grumpy>going to work :) no more grumpy say "have a nice day" :)
07:53<cascardo>have a nice day :-)
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08:24<kok>anyone have experience with ltrace, ida pro, linux syscall? I am doing something and I see different results.
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09:10<kaimo>hey all debian 9 shows music playing but no sound .. how should i go about solving this
09:10<kaimo>goodle was no help
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09:13<cascardo>kaimo: what about volume settings? which music player is it? which audio system are you using to check the volume and working audio, and which one is the player using?
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09:14<kaimo>kodi no sound youtube also no sound however pavcontrol shows teh bar underneath the volume adjuster is showing activity
09:14<kaimo>i just cant hear it lol
09:14<kaimo>been having alot oif sound issues with debain tbh!
09:15<lingang>j
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09:17<kaimo>brb quick restart
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09:25<kaimo>hey again
09:25<kok>hi
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09:28<kaimo>sound is still knackered
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09:33<kaimo>anyone know why sound in debian would randomly shit itself?
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09:34<cascardo>kaimo: it depends a lot on hardware
09:34<lpouzenc>@kaimo I may not get earlier messages but, I don't have any sound problem here. What hardware ?
09:34<cascardo>which other system did you have previously that had working audio?
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09:36<kaimo>its been working on windows and debain this morning {dual boot} no its impossible to get in debian ... youtube, kodi both siletn even though you can see teh volumes are all arte max and teh blue bar under teh volume control inside the pavcontrol is indicating activity the hardware is merely motherbaord analogue
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09:38<cascardo>so, was it working on debian this morning or not?
09:38<kaimo>it was
09:38<cascardo>did you upgrade anything?
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09:38<kaimo>#i think some dependices for atom editor
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09:58<kaimo>any ideas?
10:01<cascardo>kaimo: does it work on your windows? and about the hardware, can you pastebin the output of lspci -vv ?
10:02<kaimo>yeah work fine on windows ill do teh lspci now
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10:05<kaimo>https://pastebin.com/Wgtv3iXq
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10:09<cascardo>kaimo: /usr/sbin/alsa-info --no-dialog --no-upload --with-all
10:09<cascardo>then, upload the given file to pastebin too, please
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10:11<kaimo>https://pastebin.com/jD3shaxV
10:11<kaimo>you want eh contents of /tmp/alsa instead?
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10:16<kaimo>the contents of /tmp/alsa-info.txt.hsfpWDGAst
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10:17<kaimo>https://pastebin.com/xaq4G4ct
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10:22<Tuor_>Hi, I have got a new Laptop: Lenovo T560. Most is working fine. My Problem: The Laptop has 2 Batteries (Accu). One is recognised by my KDE power "applet" the other is shown as "Unkown Battery". Sometimes only on Battery is listed in the applet. How could I fix this Problem?
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10:23<cascardo>kaimo: which output do you have chosen at the pulseaudio mixer? PCH?
10:23<kaimo>built in analogue
10:24<cascardo>kaimo: and if you use the test speakers option, does it work?
10:24<kaimo>where is this option?
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10:27<cascardo>kaimo: gnome-control-center sound
10:27<cascardo>bottom right
10:27<kaimo>im xfce
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10:31<cascardo>kaimo: I see some alsamixer switches are off
10:31<cascardo>can you run alsamixer and turn every playback option on ?
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10:31<cascardo>for the PCH device?
10:31<kaimo>ill try
10:31<kok>anyone experience with ltrace?
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10:33<kaimo>everythign is on fro what i can see
10:33<kaimo>all set to full
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10:33<cascardo>not from what I see in the alsa-info output
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10:34<cascardo>HP/Speaker, for example, is off
10:34<cascardo>as is IEC958 Default PCM
10:34<kaimo>i have a very limited view from alsa mixer
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10:36<cascardo>kaimo: try alsamixer -D hw:1
10:36<kaimo>alsamixer -D hw:1
10:36<kaimo> -wc lol
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10:38<kaimo>i can see one thats off s/pdif but whats teh key to turn it on enter doesn nothig nor cursur keys nor tab
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10:38<cascardo>up
10:39<cascardo>but you are probably not using s/pdif
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10:39<kaimo>eitehr way i cant interact with it so i cant turn anythig on youc an only play with volumes
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10:40<grawity>it often shows hdmi as "s/pdif"
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10:40<kaimo>https://imgur.com/a/oHhd5
10:40<grawity>in pavucontrol, are you looking at the streams tab or at the devices tab?
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10:41<kaimo>https://imgur.com/a/QdxLp
10:41<kok>anyone experience with ltrace?
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10:42<grawity>kaimo: so the peak meter bar moves under apps/streams, but not under devices?
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10:44<kaimo>https://imgur.com/a/FoBBx
10:44<kaimo>not sure what you mean
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10:55<kaimo>https://imgur.com/a/GrJa4
10:55<kaimo>i cant find the key to turn it on
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11:05<grove>kaimo: M normally works for me in alsamixer
11:05<kaimo>it turned mine on but stil no sound i presume i need a reboot
11:06<kaimo>https://imgur.com/a/8bK9I
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11:09<kaimo>https://imgur.com/a/au578 cant open teh advanced option here eitehr
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11:16<Tuor_>Hi about my battery problem: http://imgur.com/v0Er0bo
11:16<Tuor_>I can I fix this problem, so the second Battery is recognised corretly to?
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11:17<Tuor_>It's a brand new laptop with a fresh installed Debian 9 with KDE.
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11:24<l0rd>Hi folks, is there any good softphone for kde-plasma?
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11:25<CQ>should an anacron that is daily run every time the machine is rebooted?
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11:26<kaimo>still nothing :(
11:26<tda>l0rd: not specifically kde, but ekiga is mature and compatible with it, according to their site
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11:33<l0rd>tda: indeed, but ekiga is GTK...
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11:59<Tuor_>I found the Solution finaly: Power off the laptop, turn it upside down, press the reset button (a little hole with no name to it) for like 10 sec and boot again.
12:00<tda>fstab shows a 8 digit UUID for /boot/efi. what command will show that UUID?
12:01<tda>blkid does not
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12:03<tda>disregard, blkid does show it. I was looking at th wrong drives
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12:08<Tuor_>cu, have a nice evening.
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12:13<edeak>identify Bu11 H0rns
12:13<edeak>oh I'm a dumbass.
12:14<edeak>bitlbee is an hazard
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13:11<Luciano_>what url put in sources.list to update better , the debian version?
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13:11<Luciano_>somebody know?
13:12<Luciano_>anybody here?
13:13<Luciano_>I need help , please
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13:14<annadane>Luciano_, one moment
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13:15<annadane>Luciano_, what do you want to upgrade to?
13:15<annadane>and also, what are you on now
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13:17<Luciano_>the normal upgrade after installation
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13:18<annadane>Luciano_, if you just want to keep stable up to date you shouldn't need to change your sources list unless there's a problem
13:18<annadane>if you kept the sources list the same since installation
13:18<annadane>what does "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" say? paste.debian.net
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13:19<Luciano_>that's ok , but if I need upgrade you use default list
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13:19<Luciano_>what does "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" say? paste.debian.net
13:19<Luciano_>yes
13:19<Luciano_>sources.list
13:20<annadane>Luciano_, it depends on what you mean by upgrade. i'm not sure whether you want to stay in stretch or move to buster
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13:21<Luciano_>upgrade debian packages
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13:22<annadane>right. if you just want to keep stable up to date you can just use the default sources
13:22<jmcnaught>Luciano_: your sources.list should look like the example on this page: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList which mirror you use doesn't really matter, deb.debian.org is fast for most people because it is on a CDN
13:22<Luciano_>ok
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13:22<annadane>^ what jmc said is probably more helpful
13:23<Altair>!de
13:23<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
13:23<Luciano_>that's ok
13:23<Luciano_>what email send for more help ?
13:24<Luciano_>to don't today to someday
13:24<Luciano_>if I need
13:24<H4ndy>there is no e-mail support
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13:25<annadane>yes, there is
13:25<annadane>try debian-user@lists.debian.org
13:27<Luciano_>ok annedane , thank you for your information
13:27<Luciano_>;)
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13:29<Luciano_>you know some link to analyst Support ? for job
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13:29<annadane>Luciano_, that's not really a topic for #debian, try #debian-offtopic
13:30<Luciano_>sorry
13:30<Luciano_>but thank you
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13:43<o>I have modified and existing Debian pkg and dropped the binaries into a personal repo. I could use aptitude hold to makes sure my binaries are not "upgraded" but there has to be a proper naming convention for this. The orig name is 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u2 but I have changed it to 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u2+erik9+1. Not sure +erik9+1 or ~erik9+1 is what I need.
13:45<o>the 9 there is for stable and the +1 is "my version". Is this 'way wrong' ?
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13:46<o>ofc I am using 'hold' to be on the safe side but I still want to know what is what
13:47<jmcnaught>o: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version explains how versions are compared
13:48<o>jmcnaught, yeah been reading that but it does not seem to get into the detail I am asking about. Thx for the url though!
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13:49<jmcnaught>"One common use of ~ is for upstream pre-releases. For example, 1.0~beta1~svn1245 sorts earlier than 1.0~beta1, which sorts earlier than 1.0." so ~ is not what you want
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14:01<kaimo>hey
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14:07<Walex>o: use pinning
14:08<Walex>o: set an appropriate 'origin' and pin on that.
14:09<Walex>o: "pin on that" means give it a higher prority]
14:11<kaimo>any one able to help witha sound issue
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14:26<annadane>kaimo, just go ahead and ask
14:27<kaimo>i have a few tiem today im trying to think of a better way to word it
14:27<kaimo>still no sound on my debain xfce it worked this morning still works in windows jsut debian it shows all teh signs its working exceopt doesnt produce sound
14:28<annadane>xfce... hmm i don't remember whether that uses pulseaudio or alsa by default
14:29<kaimo>pulse was installed by defualt
14:29<kaimo>i have alsa also
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14:30<annadane>the problem with diagnosing sound issues is there's a myriad of things that could be the issue and i'm really not sure where to start except i guess just look through the faders, anything muted, etc etc
14:30<annadane>someone other than me likely knows more
14:31<kaimo>verywell tyvm
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14:31<kaimo>ill transiton to my laptop cant work in silence ...or in windows lol
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14:44<o>Walex, sry was giving my kid a bath. Is there a reason to use pinning over just doing aptitude hold?
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15:03<n0rthlight>good afternoon all, I am looking for a straight forward guide to encrypt a swap.
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15:03<n0rthlight>I found this but I am sligthy uncomfortable with the explanation
15:03<n0rthlight>http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/
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15:05<TobiX>n0rthlight: Why not full disk encryption?
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15:06<n0rthlight>The regular full disk from the Debian install?
15:06<TobiX>Yes. That even an installer option
15:07<n0rthlight>Is is my understanding it does not encrypt the swap I am wrong?
15:07<TobiX>s/That/That's/
15:07<madduck>n0rthlight: it now does AFAICT
15:07<madduck>my doc is rather old and predates the installer doing this.
15:07<n0rthlight>haha omg.
15:07<TobiX>n0rthlight: You are. The installer option encrypts everything but /boot IIRC
15:08<madduck>AFAIK, even suspend2disk now works with encrypted swap, thanks to grub's luks support.
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15:08<n0rthlight>Well I am glad to know that now, just saved me 1 hour and probably a lock out :)
15:08<TobiX>Ah, right. grub has luks support, so it may even encrypt /boot - I really should check that ;)
15:09<madduck>it does
15:09<madduck>and it works
15:09<n0rthlight>madduck just so you know your guide was the best I found out there, just feel insecure applying it :)
15:09<TobiX>All my systems still use unencrypted /boot...
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15:10<n0rthlight>Took me 3 hours to set password on grub2. looked myself out a few times I will look to possibly update those guide.
15:10<n0rthlight>locked.
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15:16<madduck>n0rthlight: glad to know ;)
15:16<n0rthlight>Small word tho haha.
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16:42<trajb>upgraded to stretch from jessie and mobile internet (option usb modem) stopped working - any ideas?
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16:50<b17>is there a way to implement a screensaver without gtk, dbus, pk and all of that? all i need is something other than blank.
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16:53<b17>feh doing slideshow would be fine, but how do i hook it in to the timeout?
16:53<trajb>xscreensaver?
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16:54<b17>aptitude install xscreensaver:Need to get 17.6 MB of archives. After unpacking 53.0 MB
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16:55<b17>too big
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16:57<Dark-Jedi>Too big?
16:57<b17>32 pkgs for a screensaver is pretty big
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16:59<trajb>wow how does it have so many deps
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17:01<b17>don't know, but it's silly, anyway what happened to your modem trajb did you forget to plug it in or what
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17:02<trajb>i think it doesn't want to change mode from usbstorage (windows drivers) to modem, tried playing with usb_modeswitch but nope
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17:03<b17>trajb: maybe you can retrace the steps you did when you first installed on jessie
17:04<trajb>on jessie it works without any problems on vanilla install
17:05<b17>yeah i have a jessie machine and have been comparing a lot of things with stretch, but it is different in a lot of ways
17:05<b17>i make two folders and copy all the crap in there that might relate and then use diff
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17:07<b17>like diff jessie/dmesg stretch/dmesg | less it's real boring
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17:11<KjetilK>I have a small disaster after stretch upgrade... ;-)
17:12<KjetilK>When I try to boot from the 4.9.0 kernel, it halts immediately with an error, don't remember the exact wording, but something like "XZ can't uncompress" or something
17:13<KjetilK>I booted it back to the 3.16 kernel, so the system runs, but obviously I'd like to finish the upgrade with a new kernel
17:14<KjetilK>could it be that the initrd image is corrupted
17:14<KjetilK>?
17:15<KjetilK>is that xz compressed by default?
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17:20<KjetilK>hmmm, file says
17:20<KjetilK>initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC)
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17:21<KjetilK>so, I guess it isn't xz compressed
17:21<b17>file initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64
17:21<b17>initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64: gzip compressed data, last modified: Mon Aug 14 01:56:00 2017, from Unix
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17:23<annadane>KjetilK, my best guess - and it isn't a good one - is to look through the logs to see if the upgrade failed somewhere...
17:24<annadane>unless there's a quick fix to the kernel or something... 3.16 to 4.9 also sounds like quite a leap
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17:24<annadane>beyond that i'll leave it up to those more knowledgeable
17:24<KjetilK>annadane, right, I should look at the logs
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17:25<KjetilK>yeah, it is a leap, but they are from a stock jessie kernel to a stock stretch kernel
17:25<annadane>ah, okay. sorry. i should have looked into that before opening my mouth
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17:26<annadane>it does make sense between stable releases that it would go through multiple iterations
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17:27<b17>KjetilK: i haven't done an upgrade, you mean it keeps the 3.16 kernel?
17:28<KjetilK>b17, yeah, it does until you remove it
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17:28<KjetilK>I suppose it is for cases like these :-)
17:28<b17>why can't you just update-initramfs -a or something, check man before you try it
17:29<ERR_208>hello people
17:29<ERR_208>how are you?
17:29<annadane>ERR_208, hi. do you have a debian support question?
17:29<n0rthlighted>!question
17:29<n0rthlighted>Didnt work :P
17:29<KjetilK>b17, actually the first thing I tried was to apt-get install --reinstall, which should do that, and it didn't solve the problem
17:29<annadane>it's !ask but i'm trying to stop doing that
17:30<b17>yeh it's a -k flag to update for a specific fernel
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17:30<b17>hehe i said fernel
17:30<KjetilK>:-)
17:30<n0rthlighted>ERR_208 for general chat its #debian-offtopic or we get punched in the face.
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17:31<KjetilK>This is an excerpt from dpkg.log when I reinstalled it: https://pastebin.com/DrEdmjbq
17:32<KjetilK>that it says "half-configured" that's not a red flag, is it?
17:32<annadane>it's not
17:32<annadane>that's normal
17:32<KjetilK>ok, good
17:32<annadane>to be honest, your issue sounds like a highly specific one someone else might have reported
17:33<annadane>i should have done an internet search
17:33<KjetilK>yeah
17:33<KjetilK>I would need to reboot and check the rack for the exact error message
17:33<KjetilK>but then, I'll have downtime :-(
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17:34<annadane>xz can't uncompress doesn't return anything specific
17:35<annadane>maybe i should stop guessing like an idiot
17:35<KjetilK>I also tried downloading the deb and install it by dpkg -i , and got this in the log: https://pastebin.com/BG03tLT4
17:35<KjetilK>naah, your guesses could put me on the right track :-)
17:36<annadane>if the kernel is already there i'm not sure manually installing it would fix it
17:37<KjetilK>nope, but my first hunch was that a file might have been corrupted upon installation
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17:37<annadane>well, or in theory you could remove the kernel and install it manually, i'm not sure whether that's safe practice
17:37<KjetilK>if the package was corrupt, surely others would have noticed long before :-)
17:38<KjetilK>Yeah, back in the day, I used to compile a kernel from source adapted to every box I had
17:38<KjetilK>but I found it wasn't worth it
17:39<KjetilK>oh well, I'll go and reboot..., bbiab
17:39<b17>if acpi shows an event when dpms times out, then i can setup an event to launch feh slideshow instead of blanking the screen?
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17:43<KjetilK>it said "XZ-compression data is corrupt -- system halted"
17:43*KjetilK googles
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17:44<annadane>i mean it's the first i've heard of it
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17:46<KjetilK>it is really strange that the 3.16 kernel works, but not the 4.9...
17:47<KjetilK>I mean, this certainly happens before the kernel runs
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17:47<KjetilK>and if it was a hardware problem, you'd expect it to influence the 3.16 kernel too
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17:50<annadane>xz compression data may refer specifically to 4.9
17:50<KjetilK>it might
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17:53<b17>KjetilK: is apt happy otherwise can you do apt-get check and update with no errors?
17:54<KjetilK>b17, yeah
17:54<annadane>a dirty fix may be to backport a kernel
17:54<annadane>assuming there are no simple answers
17:54<KjetilK>so, I could in principle stick to the 3.16 kernel
17:55<KjetilK>but then, security support would cease at some point, and that'd be bad, since this box is exposed to the Internet
17:56*KjetilK looks at https://wiki.debian.org/Initrd but fails to find anything about how it is compressed
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17:56<b17>what about update-intramfs -c
17:57<KjetilK>I guess it can't hurt :-)
17:57<b17>or all, maybe need 'all' i can remember
17:57*KjetilK rtfms first
17:57<b17>yeh that
17:59<KjetilK>I think I'll drop the "all" to not risk ruining the initrd of the 3.16 kernel
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18:00<b17>good id, or copy it to /root
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18:01<KjetilK>it didn't want to do -c, but it did -u
18:01<b17>yeh but you running 3.16 so it didn;t do 4.9 right?
18:02<KjetilK>root@pooh:/boot> update-initramfs -u -k 4.9.0-3-amd64
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18:02<KjetilK>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64
18:02<KjetilK>that's what I did :-)
18:02<b17>well do file on it and see
18:02<KjetilK>root@pooh:/boot> file /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64
18:02<KjetilK>/boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC)
18:03<b17>nah that looks bogus
18:03<KjetilK>doesn't say anything about xz
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18:04<b17>when you tried -c what did it say
18:04<KjetilK>Cannot create version 4.9.0-3-amd64: already exists
18:04<annadane>hit your computer with a sledgehammer
18:04<b17>well -d should delete it
18:05<b17>why didnt you do the upgrade right in the first place sheesh
18:06<KjetilK>it didn't complain about anything when I upgraded...
18:06<KjetilK>smoothest upgrade in years...
18:06<b17>yeah i was kidding i am scared to try an upgrade myself
18:06<KjetilK>so, I was kinda surprised when it didn't come back up
18:06<KjetilK>:-)
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18:08<KjetilK>I first upgraded my number crunching box, then my laptop (both before stretch was released) and then my internal server on monday, and now the Internet facing server
18:08<b17>there's still some initrd stuff like unmkinitramfs and mkinitramfs but i haven't used them
18:08<KjetilK>all the others were pretty bumpy, but I've been using a few backports and stuff on them, very little of that on this box
18:09<KjetilK>right
18:09<b17>try apropos initramfs
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18:10*KjetilK looks at update-initramfs
18:10<KjetilK>source code
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18:14<KjetilK>so, there's something about xz compression in mkinitramfs
18:14<KjetilK>but the code isn't so straightforward that I can tell if it is used by just looking at it quickly
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18:15<annadane>post it here? :)
18:15<b17>you purged the 4.9 kernel and reinstalled and it showed that 'hal-installed' stuff and never ran update-initramfs?
18:16<KjetilK>b17, I'm very sure it does that automagically
18:16<b17>yeh but did it?
18:17<KjetilK>well, can't tell 100% but...
18:17<KjetilK>lsinitramfs initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64
18:17<KjetilK>gives a decent list of files, so at least it isn't so corrupted it can't be read
18:18<b17>when you install kernel it will call update-initramfs and grub so i don;t see how you could miss it
18:18<KjetilK>yeah, exactly, it isn't something I should need to do by hand
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18:19<b17>heck it usually does update grub two or three times
18:20<KjetilK>perhaps it possible that the initrd is larger, so that there is a hardware problem, it comes into corrupted parts of the RAM...?
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18:21<b17>omg this is just like the good old days run memtest for 3 hrs and see
18:22<KjetilK>yeah... :-(
18:22<KjetilK>or I could build my own kernel...
18:22<KjetilK>it would be much smaller
18:23<b17>really, how much smaller?
18:23<KjetilK>well, it has been many years since I last did it, but it used to be like 40% smaller
18:24<KjetilK>but that included me building relatively little as modules
18:24<KjetilK>since I spent some time figuring out exactly what it would need
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18:24<Walex>currently memtest should be run for at least a day
18:24<KjetilK>yeah
18:24<b17>I haven't tried it, but I would want to be able to run the stock kernel first anyway
18:25<KjetilK>I don't want to memtest now...
18:26<b17>i think on an older machine it's silly, why can't you just purge the bad 4.9 kernel and reinstall since you can still boot to 3.16?
18:26<b17>empty the cache too
18:27<KjetilK>mmmm
18:28<KjetilK>well, I haven't actually purged it, overwriting should be as efficient, but desperate times calls for desperate measures, so OK :-)
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18:30<b17>Walex: memtest is surely still a good thing on inportant machines?
18:32<Walex>b17: surely, but it needs to run for a long time, at least overnight, sometimes 1-2 days
18:33<b17>i wonder sometimes how much dirty power supplies cause problems, but i have never found a ram error
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18:41<KjetilK>nope, didn't help
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18:45<b17>maybe if you pastebin /var/log/apt/term.log someone with a clue can figure it out and get back to you
18:45<KjetilK>yeah
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18:50<KjetilK>Here's the apt log from the day before my upgrade and up to now: https://pastebin.com/U1hcZhr6
18:50*KjetilK ->bed
18:50<KjetilK>thanks anyway, folks!
18:53<n0rthlighted>hello again I just read that some people have issues with Rizen and b350 in relation with the older 4.9 Kernel. I have exactly this with close to no issue for more then a month (One sudden crash with no load at all) .
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18:54<n0rthlighted>In the long run could this create issues ?
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18:58<n0rthlighted>I just dont want to go Fedora. *beg*
18:59<annadane>n0rthlighted, well i'd say just wait until something actually does happen...
18:59<n0rthlighted>Well there is one thing.
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19:00<n0rthlighted>it might not be related at all but my BIOS time never sync with Debian however I think I saw the same issue with another OS.
19:00<n0rthlighted>I changed the CMOS battery
19:01<n0rthlighted>4 hours difference at all time.
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19:01<n0rthlighted>If I change the time in BIOS It change it here -4 hours.
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19:02<n0rthlighted>Its a new motherboard however it never felt rock solid.
19:03<ach|2>hi
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19:05<n0rthlighted>hi <ach|2> this channel is for questions feel if you like some Debian based chat join us : #debian-offtopic
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19:06<dboles>or if you have a question, then
19:06<dboles>!ask
19:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:07<n0rthlighted>Voila.
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20:13<captain>hey guys , could anyone hell me examine this c code. I want to Count the number of occurrences of each word. But it can print? why? https://bbs.bccn.net/thread-480262-1-1.html
20:13<captain>sorry help not hell
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21:12<Symphonic>There is a file in debian who contains a sequence of english words that can be printed with cat?
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21:13<Symphonic>Like a dictionary or something
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21:18<mnuhmnuh> /usr/share/dictd
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21:33<n0rthlight>During installation I left the domain field empty and I would like to had localdomain has a name now. Anybody know how to proceed?
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23:24<clay>hellow
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23:26<stf>clay: Hi
23:27<dvs>harrow
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23:28<clay>stf: Know a forum about security in deepweb
23:28<annadane>this is a channel for debian support questions
23:28<annadane>sugget taking it to pm's or #debian-offtopic
23:28<annadane>suggest*
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23:29<clay>ok
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23:33<clay>I am having the problem in my add-apt-repository
23:34<clay>I type this command plus the message that is appearing and that it does not exist
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23:34<annadane>clay, use paste.debian.net
23:34<clay>Can someone help me
23:34<annadane>give us your output
23:34<clay>I already have many websites and never served
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23:36<n0rthlight>clay they need your sources.list to be able to help.
23:37<n0rthlight>Use this website to provided it on the channel: paste.debian.net
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23:50<annadane>clay, which repository are you trying to add and what error message do you get? what command do you use to get that error message?
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