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00:00<clay>comamnd sudo add-apt-repository ppa: webupd8team/java error message Sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found
00:04<annadane>so you'd have to add the repository in your sources list
00:05<annadane>but only if you really need it, i think...
00:05<jmcnaught>clay: why not use openjdk-8 that comes with Debian?
00:05<annadane>^
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00:06<jmcnaught>clay: that also looks like it for for Ubuntu. You shouldn't install packages compiled for Ubuntu on Debian, the two distros have different versions of libraries (because of different release schedules) and their packages are not compatible… they just happen to use the same file format
00:06<annadane>,v openjdk-8
00:06<judd>No package named 'openjdk-8' was found in amd64.
00:06<annadane>,v openjdk
00:06<judd>No package named 'openjdk' was found in amd64.
00:07*annadane shrugs
00:07<jmcnaught>,i openjdk-8-jdk
00:07<judd>Package openjdk-8-jdk (java, optional) in stretch/amd64: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK). Version: 8u131-b11-2; Size: 443.3k; Installed: 530k; Homepage: http://openjdk.java.net/
00:07<annadane>i don't even need to ,v in this case, i don't know why i'm doing that
00:07<jmcnaught>there's also openjdk-8-jre if that's all you need, and some other packages too
00:07<annadane>in any event, yes, you don't need a seperate repository just for java
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00:08<jmcnaught>clay: if you *really* cannot use openjdk then you should read about using java-package in the Debian Java FAQ
00:08<clay>But it's not just the one I want to install if it were all that much more and any program that requests to use the add-apt-repository of those errors
00:10<clay>I wanted it to work because when I need it already configured. I tried everything already and nothing worked.
00:10<jmcnaught>clay: Debian users don't normally use add-apt-repository, and the happiest Debian users use software that's already in Debian whenever they can
00:10<annadane>!don't break debian
00:10<dpkg>dont break debian is probably https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
00:11<n0rthlight>lol
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00:12<annadane>clay, try not to try everything if you don't know it's going to work, that's what asking for help on irc is for
00:13<annadane>we don't bite... much
00:15<clay>But there's something I can do about it from the add-apt-repository
00:15<annadane>in general adding repositories not from debian is a bad idea
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00:16<jmcnaught>well, it's a risk at least. And if the software isn't even for Debian (which is normally the case with PPAs) then it's especially asking for trouble.
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00:18<annadane>in addition, java in particular isn't even obscure, it's very common and everything available in debian will satisfy 99.9% of your needs
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00:38<clay>ok
00:38<clay>Thank you
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02:13<kaimo>hey alll teh sounds isses i wa suffering right up until shutdown last night have dissappeared upon boot up thismorning... fml
02:14<cruncher>kaimo, did you upgrade some packages?
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02:15<kaimo>last thing i remember was install the dependecies for atom editior then sound died after the reboot didnt return until 2 mins ago when i booted up
02:17<kaimo>this might sound dumb but with windows you have t go about installing all teh intel drivers the gpu drivers and the mobo drivers.......in linux you just do apt-get update && upgrade right?
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02:17<jm_>that does not work for all drivers
02:18<kaimo>so what would be the optimal way to get all working drivers
02:20<jm_>there is no single command
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02:24<kaimo>so is teh method to go to each provider adn download freom the website ie mobo website look for linux drivers...each individual hardware provider needs to be visited?
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02:27<jm_>naah, for wifi you go to https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi, for nvidia/ati there's also a page there so best would be to just search how to get X working in debian
02:27<jm_>or in linux
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02:46<kaimo>tyvm amigo
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02:53<kaimo>also more of a linux quest than debian specific - when i install .deb, should i install to my home folder or am i meant o install to another location, the installer.deb is in my downlaods folder, so i wont install there obviously so when moving it am i ok to stop at home folder or must i take my .deb elsewhere then install it?
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02:57<jm_>.deb already contains locations for files in it, you don't specify that unless you're doing something special
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02:58<jm_>if the question is about the .deb file itself - it can be anywhere dpkg can read it when installing the package
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02:58<kaimo>excellent tyvm
02:59<jm_>no problem
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03:02<kaimo>same question as teh deb one but instead its .tar.bz2
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03:05<jm_>that one you want to decide where to put it
03:07<kaimo>its sublime text editor is tehre a defualt location this should go to i was thinking usr/bin but i dont want to go installing stuff in random places
03:08<jm_>better not put it in /usr/bin, use /usr/local/bin or maybe /usr/local/sublime and create necessary symlinks in /usr/local/bin, or /opt
03:08<kaimo>right tyvm again
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03:18<kaimo>https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/907
03:19<kaimo>how would you ever know to do this lolo? i feel like to learn linux is to search for a new guide everytime you do something hehe
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03:20<jm_>that looks to be written for ubuntu not debian, don't use ubuntu packages on debian
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03:25<kaimo>nps more the locations of where to install was used
03:26<kaimo>tyvm for all help btw!
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03:26<jm_>no problem
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03:33<abraxxa>I'm struggling with debconf/dpkg-reconfigure
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03:33<abraxxa>whenever I run dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive after setting some debconf values to regenerate the config file(s) all debconf vars are reset to their package defaults
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03:43<abraxxa>seems like the exact same problem this user has https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/10/msg00480.html
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04:12<abraxxa>it seems the packages parse their config files to populate the config variables rather than using the debconf values
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04:13<OdyX>abraxxa: https://lintian.debian.org/tags/debconf-is-not-a-registry.html
04:14<OdyX>abraxxa: that's by design
04:15<abraxxa>so the debconf Ansible module is useless after installing packages, too bad as it would have been a perfect abstraction for automation as you don't have to check which config file a package uses, in format it is, how to update it etc
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04:17<OdyX>abraxxa: it's useful to pre-configure packages before installing them
04:17<OdyX>and reconfigure
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04:22<abraxxa>OdyX: I want to reconfigure them but fail as their config file is parsed and the (old) values in there overwrite what I've set using debconf
04:22<abraxxa>so whatfor is debconf good after installation? why save the values given at install time at all?
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04:24<TotallyNotKim>Hey how could I find who autostarts gnome-keyring on login? I'm on XFCE. There are only 3 unrelated desktop files in /etc/xdg/autostart X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled and no gnome keyring in ~/.config/autostart either
04:24<TotallyNotKim>I need the keyring to use the gpg-agent instead of ssh-agent
04:25<grawity>why do you say /etc/xdg/autostart is unrelated
04:25<grawity>it's exactly where the "ssh-agent" part is started from
04:25<TotallyNotKim>no, the enabled desktop files in there
04:25<jm_>I think he said there are no gnome-keyring related files there
04:25<TotallyNotKim>^this
04:25<grawity>the main gnome-keyring process is not a problem, really
04:25<grawity>(and it's used for *other things* as well)
04:26<grawity>if you just want to prevent it from overriding ssh-agent, then that's definitely in /etc/xdg/autostart last I checked
04:26<grawity>same for gpg-agent
04:26<grawity>(oh, it doesn't touch gpg-agent anymore)
04:26<grawity>so yeah, I'm 100% sure it's /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop
04:27<TotallyNotKim>in the autostart exec parameter theres a --components=ssh
04:27<TotallyNotKim>that file is not enabled^
04:27<TotallyNotKim>at least if I understand that correctly
04:27<grawity>how did you determine it's "not enabled"?
04:27<TotallyNotKim>no X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled parameter set
04:27<grawity>then it's enabled *by default*
04:28<TotallyNotKim>oh
04:28<TotallyNotKim>I see
04:28<TotallyNotKim>does the ending matter?
04:28<grawity>GNOME only adds that parameter when you're disabling stuff (like via gnome-session-properties)
04:28<TotallyNotKim>Becuase it's named gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop_DISABLED
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04:28<grawity>I dunno
04:28<TotallyNotKim>don't know where that comes from tho
04:28<TotallyNotKim>ok
04:28<grawity>when I disabled mine, it got copied to ~/.config/autostart/ with "X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false" added
04:29<TotallyNotKim>I'll remove the disabled and see what happens
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04:34<TotallyNotKim>nope
04:34<TotallyNotKim>even placed it into my .config/autostart
04:35<TotallyNotKim>it fells like the xdg stuff is completely ignored somehow
04:36<TotallyNotKim>on the other side I got a own .desktop file which works perfectly, so that can't be the problem
04:37<grawity>do you mean you still get the SSH_AUTH_SOCK variable?
04:37<TotallyNotKim>yep
04:37<grawity>are you testing by logout/login or reboot?
04:37<TotallyNotKim>logout/login
04:37<TotallyNotKim>cant reboot
04:38<TotallyNotKim>it's a vm, with multiple users on it
04:38<grawity>just a hunch but try `systemctl unset-environment SSH_AUTH_SOCK`
04:38<grawity>er, systemctl --user
04:39<TotallyNotKim>should I try again after that?
04:42<TotallyNotKim>no luck with that
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04:55<TotallyNotKim>gnome-keyring-daemon is started by systemd
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04:55<TotallyNotKim>I see where this is going
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04:56<grawity>not really though
04:56<grawity>since gnome-keyring-daemon does not set any environment variables for you
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05:00<marcus_______>looking further into the battery-level-on-cherry-trail issue, I found there's not really much in /lib/modules/4.12.0-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/power/supply/ compared to what's in the kernel source tree
05:00<marcus_______>or am I missing something?
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05:02<jm_>you could check if kernel config for 4.12.0-1 enables those features, see /boot/config-*
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05:51<k-man>in gnome, is it possible to change the alert sound?
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05:57<bill-auger>im sure it is k-man
05:58<bill-auger>had you typed that question into duckduckgo you would probably know how to do it by now
06:00<bill-auger>as a last resort you could crudly replace the sound file in /usr/share/sounds
06:00<Naksu>what the fuck is duckduckgo
06:00<Naksu>oh wait
06:00<Naksu>that thing
06:00<Naksu>that still exists?
06:01<k-man>bill-auger, is it possible to change it to something thats not obnoxious though
06:02<bill-auger>somewhere on your hard disk is a sound file with that sound - you could replace that file with any other sound file you like
06:02<bill-auger>that would be the crude way
06:03<bill-auger>the only thing that could possibly stop you would be if gnome only accepts certain codec format - still then you would need to convert the format
06:03<k-man>yeah ok
06:03<bill-auger>off the top of my head i think you want to look at "gnome tweak tool" - but i dont use gnome so i dunno
06:05<k-man>ok thanks
06:05<k-man>i've found a way in gnome - but the options it has aren't great
06:05<bill-auger>gnome is not that great
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06:08<k-man>i was using xfce but i found its support for high dpi screens wasn't good enough
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07:38<madduck>I have an LV as the disk for a VM. I just resized it, after turning the VM off. lvs doesn't have the LV as "o"pen. gdisk says the volume is 50G in size, but I can't create a partition larger than 20G (the previous size).
07:38<madduck>sfdisk -R on the volume yields sfdisk: BLKRRPART: Invalid argument
07:38<madduck>any idea what could be going on?
07:38<madduck>I am not aware of any process holding this volume open.
07:39<madduck>lvs has attributes -wi-a-----
07:40<madduck>there is no reason why I should be able to manipulate this!
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07:42<madduck>also, vgchange -an can be used to disable the volume just fine.
07:42<madduck>what am I missing?
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07:49<jelly>madduck: where are you running sfdisk, on host or inside the guest?
07:50<madduck>jelly: on the host, to make it reread the partition table on the kernel level
07:50<madduck>i have found the problem!
07:50<jelly>that partition table is irrelevant to the host, only guest will care about it
07:50<madduck>no, it's on the host
07:50<madduck>Expert command (? for help): e
07:50<madduck>Relocating backup data structures to the end of the disk
07:51<jelly>the kernel on the host will not care about it
07:51<madduck>the backup data structures were at the old end and need to be moved before partitions can be extended.
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07:53<jelly>at work we "solve" this by giving each VM two disks, a small one (500 or 200MB) with a single mbr partition and /boot, and a large one that's used as LVM PV inside the guest
07:54<jelly>resizing a PV (and therefore VG, and any LV inside the guest) can be done online without issues
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07:56<jelly>Linux has historically been very bad dealing with partition (table) changes, avoid partitions completely works around all that
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09:18<Guest3286>est ce qu'il y a de Guest Addition pour Mac?
09:18<Guest3286>Si oui comment l'installe? salut
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09:24<cruncher>!fr
09:24<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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09:45<kok>!il
09:45<dpkg>il is Israel.
09:45<kok>lol
09:46<kok>!he
09:46<dpkg>it has been said that he is alone in the house left to him by the death of his parents, even though he's only feet away from the sister he's always been much closer than to anyone else. From his hidden room, he views life through concealed video cameras. Life is only real to him when he sees it on a monitor, and on most of those monitors is his sister. Or Hebrew
09:46<kok>!heb
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10:02<petn-randall>!lol
10:02<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
10:02<petn-randall>:)
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10:58<captnfab>!heh
10:58<dpkg>Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such.
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12:17<hthoreau>Morning.
12:19<hthoreau>I'm a user of the tablet Wacom Cintiq, an I'm using a small script to toggle my pen movements to be mapped between my two screens: https://paste.debian.net/983022/
12:20<hthoreau>At parts of the script similar to this 'xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 13HD Pen stylus" MapToOutput "eDP-1"'
12:21<hthoreau>I used xrandr --listmonitors to get the names of my monitors "eDP-1" and "HDMI-1"
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12:23<hthoreau>I would like to change this configuration, between being mapped to my tablet's screen "HDMI-1" to being map to the entire width of both screens "eDP-1 + HDMI-1"
12:23<hthoreau>How does xrandr refer to that as an output?
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14:11<aruna_>hi, request_module how does one pass arguments ? I have a request_module("test") which loads and does what I want fine but when i try to pass arguments zilch ? This fails --> request_module("test myint=123") any one know why ? and how do I resolve please ?
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14:29<kok>aruna_: in what context?
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14:31<kok>This is Debian channel support.
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14:32<annadane>kok i'm pretty sure that *is* a debian question...
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14:32<kok>It is? How?
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14:34<kok>Is she talking about requesting modules in kernel? or something else?
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14:35<aruna_>kok: yes in the kernel context please as in a kernel module
14:35<aruna_>am running debian
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14:37<aruna_>modprobe test myint=123 works fine oki ? but request_module("test myint=123") does not ?
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14:40<cascardo>well, that would work more like modprobe "test myint=123"
14:40<cascardo>as if it was a single parameter
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14:42<kook>aruna_: The function request_module get only one parameter.
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14:43<grawity>I wouldn't be surprised if it was *intentional* that request_module didn't allow parameters to be specified
14:43<kook>aruna_: what are you trying to do?
14:44<aruna_>cascardo: let me explain clearly. I have a kernel module test.ko ok ? when I run modprobe test myint=123 from the command line/shell things work as expected ok ? Now, when i try to load the same module using another module with request_module("test") that works as expected ok ? But when i try to pass arguments to request_module that is when things stop working ?
14:44<annadane>aruna_, i guess it depends on the arguments
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14:45<aruna_>kook: it is a simply an educational exercide for my own leraning....
14:45<aruna_>annadane: so how does one pass arguments to request_module ? the documentation says you can ?
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14:46<annadane>aruna_, i'm not sure, not my area of expertise
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14:46<cascardo>aruna_: does the documentation say you can? I don't think so
14:46<aruna_>annadane: cascardo: kok: http://kernelbook.sourceforge.net/kernel-api.html/r3553.html
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14:47<cascardo>as I said, you can read kernel/kmod.c:call_modprobe
14:47<kok>yep and as you see it's one parameter.
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14:47<cascardo>and you will see that, as I said, the behavior would be like doing modprobe "test myint=123"
14:47<kok>And even why would you want to load two in the same time?
14:47<aruna_>yes that link is one parameter and the module name BUT look at this link: https://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/kernel-api/re659.html
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14:57<kok>Yet I still don't see it as a debian question. There is a ##kernel channel in freenode server that you can ask there your question.
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14:58<Altair>!de
14:58<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
14:59<kok>huh?
14:59<W4RL0RD>HELLO
14:59<kok>Hi
14:59<annadane>Altair, feel free to /msg the bot
14:59<W4RL0RD>SIGINFO present in Debian?
14:59<grawity>SIGINFO is not present in Linux at all
14:59<W4RL0RD>LOL
15:00<W4RL0RD>You sure?
15:01<grawity>unless you're confusing it with siginfo_t and SA_SIGINFO, which are an entirely different thing
15:02<W4RL0RD>I dont think so
15:03<W4RL0RD>But as i see on DDG in Linux exists
15:03<W4RL0RD>But not like ^T ni BSD systems
15:03<W4RL0RD>Thanks
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15:17<ugo>ciao
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15:18<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:51<BlackerX>hii everbody
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16:02<gunix>,v nvidia
16:02<judd>No package named 'nvidia' was found in amd64.
16:02<gunix>...
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16:04<dboles>did you expect a metapackage?
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16:05<gunix>,v nvidia-driver
16:05<judd>Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; stretch/non-free: 375.66-2~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; buster/non-free: 375.82-1; sid/non-free: 375.82-1; experimental/non-free: 378.13-2
16:05<gunix>hmmm 375 everywhere
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16:08<user__>hello
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16:08<gunix>do you guys use the latest nvidia drivers or the default debian 375 ones?
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16:10<gunix>,v qemu-kvm
16:10<judd>Package: qemu-kvm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u22; wheezy-backports: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1:2.8+dfsg-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6; stretch-security: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u2; buster: 1:2.8+dfsg-7; sid: 1:2.8+dfsg-7
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16:19<gunix>,v linux
16:19<judd>No package named 'linux' was found in amd64.
16:19<gunix>,v kernel
16:19<judd>No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
16:19<gunix>,v linux-kernel
16:19<judd>No package named 'linux-kernel' was found in amd64.
16:19<jmcnaught>gunix: you can /msg judd
16:19<gunix>,v linux-headers
16:19<judd>No package named 'linux-headers' was found in amd64.
16:19<gunix>jmcnaught: thank you, didn't know that
16:19<gunix>how was the kernel package names?
16:19<gunix>*named?
16:20<jmcnaught>,i linux-image-amd64
16:20<judd>Package linux-image-amd64 (kernel, optional) in stretch/amd64: Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package). Version: 4.9+80+deb9u1; Size: 6.7k; Installed: 16k
16:21<Quibus>,v msx
16:21<judd>No package named 'msx' was found in amd64.
16:21<Quibus>,v openmsx
16:21<judd>Package: openmsx on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.2-2.1; jessie: 0.10.1-2; stretch: 0.13.0-1+b1; buster: 0.14.0-1; sid: 0.14.0-1
16:21<gunix>jmcnaught: that doesn't help a lot, it only displays for stable
16:21<Quibus>Yay, nice bot :)
16:22<gunix>,v linux-image-amd64
16:22<judd>Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+80~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 4.11+82~bpo9+1; buster: 4.12+84; sid: 4.12+84
16:22<gunix>good, that's what i wanted to see
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16:23<gunix>what +80 and +74 after kernel version?
16:23<gunix>4.12 is currently at 9 and 4.9 at 45, not at 80, or 84
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16:25<hthoreau>Hi
16:26<blast007>gunix: the bot does work via /msg as well, and there's also https://packages.debian.org :)
16:26<gunix>yea, but i wanted all of you to see the answer from the bot. i also have a question realted to it. please see above
16:27<hthoreau>Please, help a scrub out. xD
16:27<hthoreau>I would like to use awk to identify an line starting with "1" from the output, and print the last word of that same line.
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16:28<jmcnaught>gunix: that number is the debian_revision. It's a lot easier for helps to notice questions when you don't spam the bot ;)
16:28<gunix>jmcnaught: how is the debian revision related to the kernel package version? how can i tell which kernel version that actually is ?
16:30<jmcnaught>gunix: linux-image-amd64 is a metapackage. If you do "apt-cache depends linux-image-amd64" you will see the package that it currently depends on is linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64. If you run 'apt-cache policy …' on that package you can see its version
16:30<blast007>gunix: sure, but you could figure out the package name in private first
16:31<jmcnaught>gunix: please don't /msg people, only the bots
16:31<gunix>jmcnaught: if i had a debian installed, i could just use "dpkg -l linux*" and that would save me the stress of checking this online. i need the kernel versions of stable and sid and i need to see the nvidia drivers version so i know if i go for debian on a new laptop or not
16:32<gunix>jmcnaught: i didn't /msg anybody
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16:32<jmcnaught>16:25 [OFTC] -!- gunix[~gunix@gunix.cloud] is messaging or inviting you, and you are umode +g, +j, or +G.
16:32<gunix>jmcnaught: that is ctcp version. what irc client do you use ?
16:32<gunix>jmcnaught: your irc client reacted very strange to that ctcp version
16:33<jmcnaught>gunix: don't CTCP people either without permission
16:34<gunix>jmcnaught: are you serious? why wouldn't i ctcp people without permission? they can remove the answer from the irc client if they don't want me to get the information. i can ctcp anybody i like, man
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16:36<gunix>jmcnaught: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client-to-client_protocol this is a protocol, it's not illegal in any way
16:36<jmcnaught>gunix: it's rude, don't be a jerk when getting free support from volunteers. It's also against the rules of this channel: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines
16:36<dboles>a more interesting question is why you need to ctcp anyone
16:37<jmcnaught>yeah… kinda creepy. anyways good luck with your stuff, maybe someone else will help you.
16:37<gunix>jmcnaught: i see, than i will leave the channel because i don't agree to those rulles.
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16:37<dboles>lol
16:37<jmcnaught>weirdo
16:37<dboles>it's not illegal for me to go and peer in people's windows, but why would i? but if someone asks why i'm doing that, i'm being oppressed
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18:42<somiaj>GCS: try #debian-mentors, they may have ways to can either have access to such a chroot, or advise on how to use qemu-static to emulate a chroot to build in.
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19:00<hthoreau>Hi there.
19:01<hthoreau>I've just installed pass to use it as my password manager.
19:01<hthoreau>Followed the instructions provided by its author to initialize it, basically '$ pass init "refer to key by its name"' : https://www.passwordstore.org/
19:01<hthoreau>But then, at each new password that I give pass, I get the following warnings: https://paste.debian.net/983064/
19:02<k-man>my lastpass extension in chrome keeps reporting itself as corrupted. re-installing the extension doesn't fix it
19:02<hthoreau>At the subgraph IRC, I was instructed that "Those gpg errors are fixed "upstream" but since they get installed via skel you don't get them despite the upgrades, you can fetch them in /etc/skel/.gnupg"
19:04<hthoreau>But I'm a total scrub, and I don't know how to do that.
19:04<hthoreau>Moreover, one of the OS creators told me that "aka this problem would have happened on straight debian upgraded from al older version as well"
19:05<hthoreau>So here I am. xD
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19:20<n0rthlight>I don't have the knowledge to help you myself but is there are reason for using this passwords manager in particular ?
19:21<hthoreau>n0rthlight: Instead I want to know why people ask me that, pass is awesome! xD
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19:22<n0rthlight>It was a real question/
19:22<hthoreau>Auto-complete, two step process to add, copy, modify passwords, AKA anything a password manager does.
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19:23<n0rthlight>Ok. :)
19:23<hthoreau>Well , by the way, They helped me address one of the three warnings presented.
19:24<n0rthlight>Great.I hope the chrome one since it is not supported by Debian? :)
19:24<hthoreau>Now I'm left with just two: "gpg: WARNING: unsafe permissions on homedir '/home/user/.gnupg'" and "gpg: keyserver option 'no-try-dns-srv' is unknown"
19:24<n0rthlight>Stick around somebody will help I am sure. Its just a little slower these days.
19:25<hthoreau>Oh ok, cool. ;)
19:25<Delta-One>what are the permissions on ~/.gnupg ?
19:25<hthoreau>Delta-One: Here: https://paste.debian.net/983066/
19:26<Delta-One>that doesn't show the permission of the actual directory
19:27<hthoreau>"drwxr-xr-x 4 user user 4096 Aug 25 20:14 .gnupg"
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19:27<Delta-One>it needs to be 700
19:27<Delta-One>not 755
19:28<hthoreau>How do I change it to 700?
19:28<Delta-One>chmod 700 ~/.gnupg
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19:28<Delta-One>so that only you (user) has access to it
19:29<hthoreau>YUS!
19:30<hthoreau>Ok, just one warning left:
19:30<hthoreau>"gpg: keyserver option 'no-try-dns-srv' is unknown"
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19:34<n0rthlight>:)
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19:36<Delta-One>you can check if you can find that option in your gpg.conf
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19:46<n0rthlight>I do not have this file.
19:47<n0rthlight>Oups misstell .
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