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00:04<leoni>n0rthlight are you there?
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01:16<Guest3383>hey
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01:18<Guest3383>where r u from
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01:26<somiaj>!chat
01:26<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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02:38<dooglus>I just upgraded from jessie to stretch. after booting it didn't bring up the gdm(?) login screen - all I have is virtual consoles
02:38<dooglus>how can I fix it?
02:39<somiaj>check your xorg log, what video card do you use?
02:40<dooglus>it's a laptop with Intel graphics onboard I think
02:40<dooglus>xorg log hasn't been touched since I rebooted I don't think
02:41<dooglus>uptime tells me 23:39:39 up 6 min, leading me to think I rebooted around 23:33, and Xorg.0.log is dated 23:29
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02:42<dooglus>the first vc screen has the line of [ OK ] messages, and the last one is "started update UTMP about system runlevel changes..." - maybe that hung?
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02:43<somiaj>well if it was me I would disable the display manager and first get xorg working with startx, then enable the display manager again
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02:45<dooglus>ok. do you mind helping me through it?
02:45<dooglus>it's hard googling stuff without a web browser :(
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02:46<dooglus>oh - just running 'startx' brought up my desktop
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03:10<xormor>my friend's debian is complaining about "wireless kernel": I think I should reinstall it for him. I am now writing debian-9.1.0-amd64 to a USB stick. his net does not work properly.
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03:15<dooglus>this line in /var/log/syslog looks like a problem:
03:15<dooglus>Aug 27 00:09:34 chris kernel: [ 89.159611] gnome-session-f[2219]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fda5ea2fe19 sp 00007ffe03aa1de0 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.2200.11[7fda5e74d000+700000]
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03:40<dooglus>couldn't figure it out, but switching to lightdm fixed the problem
03:40<dooglus>something's screwed up with gdm3 I guess
03:41<dooglus>probably this: http://ralph.soika.com/debian-gdm3-gnome-broken-dist-upgrade/
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05:07<pabs>some part of my bash config has broken Ctrl+<left arrow key> and Ctrl+<right arrow key> moving between words, any idea which options could do that?
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05:12<Walex>pabs: that does not work for me here, it is probably not part of the default configuration. Look at "$HOME/.inputrc"
05:14<heiko>Hello, I use debian buster. is threr an option as bumblebee ?
05:15<pabs>Walex: thanks, something in that file was the issue!
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05:17<heiko>I mean a newer option as bumblebee
05:19<pabs>Walex: huh, even an empty .inputrc breaks it...
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05:20<Walex>pabs: I guess "not part of the default configuration" applies here.
05:21<misha>showburger
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05:23<pabs>the fix appears to be to add this to ~/.inputrc: $include /etc/inputrc
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05:26<pabs>thanks for the help Walex :)
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05:28<Omochao>I have a Pi running Raspbian stable and a recent update seems to have removed libGLESv2.so, any ideas on how to fix this?
05:29<Walex>Omochao: Raspbian/RPi have their own channel as they are not quite straightforward Debian ports.
05:29<Omochao>there was no response to my messages there so I thought I'd try here, sorry
05:29<Walex>Omochao: but you can do things like 'apt-get install apt-file' and use that to check whether it has moved package
05:30<Walex>Omochao: apt-file update; apt-file search libGLESv2
05:30<Omochao>thanks, I'll try that
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05:35<Omochao>looks like the one from the libgles2-mesa package is now named libGLESv2.so.2
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05:35<Omochao>Walex: I could try installing chromium-browser which has a libGLESv2.so, or would setting up a symlink work?
05:36<grawity>afaik it's pretty rare for programs to use unversioned .so's, though
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05:37<Omochao>I'm just trying to get a program called info-beamer to run again. There's another Pi where it's still running but I can't start any new instances of it because of the missing library
05:38<Walex>Omochao: that's probably a custom version for Chromium, bundled with it. Not necessary compatible with any other progra.
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05:38<Walex>Omochao: how did you install 'info-beamer'?
05:39<grawity>meta question: does this channel allow questions about software which is not in the official debian repository?
05:40<Omochao>Walex: its install instructions are to install dependency packages through apt and then download and run a binary
05:41<Omochao>the dependencies for stretch are libevent-2.0-5 libavformat57 libpng12-0 libfreetype6 libavresample3
05:41<Walex>Omochao: that's a bit saying like "you take full responsibility for system integration because we won't" :-)
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05:41<Walex>Omochao: the "Debian way" however to handel that is to create an empty "equiv" package with the right depenencies.
05:42<Walex>Omochao: if you feel like taking more responsibilityu for system integration look at the 'equivs-build' command
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05:43<Walex>Omochao: part of the 'equivs' package. This may not help directly in your current predicament, but in the future.
05:43<Walex>Omochao: anyhow if you want to hack it
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05:44<Omochao>I haven't done anything like that and I'd rather try to get the program running until tomorrow, since it unfortunately broke just before I was going to need it
05:44<Omochao>though I'll note that down as something to investigate later
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05:44<Walex>Omochao: you could *copy* 'libGLESv2.so' from the Chromium install to /usr/local/lib/libGLESv2.so.2 and run then 'ldconfig'
05:44<Walex>Omochao: that is not a very clean thing, but
05:45<Walex>Omochao: *might* work given your urgent need.
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05:46<captain>hi everybody, I would like to know how to read the ' . ' int URLS like www.google.com "dot" or "point"? thanks
05:46<Walex>captain: or "period" :-)
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05:47<Walex>captain: however as in "dotcom" usually people call it a "dot".
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05:47<captain>oh...thank you...
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05:47<captain>:)
05:47<Walex>captain: usually "point" means "decimal point"
05:48<captain>oh..I see
05:48<Walex>captain: but there are not real universal rules.
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05:49<Walex>there is a Debian related subtlety that is one of my pet peeves: version numbers are not decimal numbers. So 1.2 should not be read "1 point 2" (as in 12/10) but "1 dot 2".
05:50<grawity>version numbers are not decimal numbers practically *anywhere* (except for TeX)
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05:52<Walex>yet lots of people say "point releases"! (pet peeve)
05:53<grawity>nah that's just you assuming that "point" implies decimal number
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05:53<grawity>it's not a real universal rule :)
05:55<captain>is there a official way to edit dns on debian? except changing" /etc/network/interfaces" and "/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/basd"?? :)
05:55<grawity>tbh you could say versions are practically a separate case by themselves – they don't *have* to fit into one of the two slots, "either it's a decimal or it's English text"
05:55<grawity>captain: what's wrong with /etc/network/interfaces? that's quite official AFAIK
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05:59<amacater>Point releases are a release at a single point :) Not so relevant now that "Debian 9" covers all releases of Debian 9 and 9.1, for example, just updates the installer fractionally
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06:00<Walex>amacater: most people I think mean "point releases" as "the minor release number only changes" as in "after the decimal point"...
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06:03<Omochao>Walex: it didn't work unfortunately. It seems to find the libraries now (had to do the same thing for libEGL) but then gives a “cannot initialize display” error
06:03<Omochao>I also tried using the libraries from minecraft-pi, same result
06:03<Walex>Omochao: maybe the X server does not support GLEX.
06:04<Walex>Omochao: maybe the X server does not support GLES.
06:04<Walex>Omochao: or maybe you forgot to set the "$DISPLAY"
06:04<Walex>Omochao: check the '/var/log/Xorg.0.log'
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06:07<Omochao>that log only reports that two input devices are keyboards
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06:08<Omochao>which is probably because I'm reading evdev events in the info-beamer node
06:09<grawity>it's not going to show the screen as an input device
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06:10<Omochao>if I run info-beamer from within lxde, I get different errors: “libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate” and “cannot create surface”
06:10<Omochao>Xorg log has the same output
06:10<Walex>Omochao: this page: https://info-beamer.com/pi says that all the dependencies are built in.
06:10<Walex>Omochao: except for those listed that you listed too.
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06:11<Walex>Omochao: tha error you get seems to say that GL mode is not working in your X session.
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06:13<Walex>Omochao: indeed I just downloaded https://info-beamer.com/jump/download/player/info-beamer-pi-0.9.8-beta.caeb0e-stretch.tar.gz and:
06:13<Walex>$ ldd info-beamer not a dynamic executable
06:14<Omochao>hm, I get a different output
06:14<adoudick>Bonjour. je viens d'installer Debian sur mon X-60s Lenovo. c'est cool. je rencontre une préoccupation au lancement de writer. en effet toutes les applications de libreoffice se lancent sauf le writer
06:15<Omochao>!fr
06:15<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
06:15<Walex>Omochao: ah that's because I did it on a amd64 machine
06:16<grawity>yeah ldd only works when you have a matching ld.so
06:16<grawity>since it literally runs the program in special mode :(
06:16<adoudick>ok thinx @dpkg
06:16<grawity>you could `readelf -d`, however
06:16<Walex>ah that works thsanks
06:17<grawity>readelf only shows direct dependencies, not recursive ones, but it's arch-independent
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06:18<Walex>Omochao: have you tried to install 'libgles2-mesa' and 'libgles2-mesa-dev'
06:19<Omochao>I think so, but let me double-check
06:19<Omochao>ah, -dev wasn't installed
06:20<Walex>Omochao: the "official" binaries are not well built
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06:24<Omochao>Walex: same errors as before. Do I need to remove the library files I copied?
06:24<Walex>Omochao: ideally.
06:25<Walex>Omochao: but I still think that the issue is non-working GLES.
06:26<Walex>Omochao: anyhow at this point the issue seems to be really RPi dependent, because the way X and GLES are done on an RPi are somewhat different from other platforms.
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06:27<henryk>greetings, i have trouble getting my private repository to work. i've used mini-dinstall to create it. i get the following error http://paste.debian.net/983203/ but my Release file is signed and i checked the signature manually. The key is imported to apt-key. Where would i start debugging this? thanks.
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06:28<henryk>* i get the error on apt-get update
06:30<Omochao>Walex: thanks for the help so far, I'll see if #raspberrypi on freenode can help me from here
06:30<henryk>interestingly, in /var/lib/apt/lists/ the file deb.henrykszeug.de_sid_all_Release.gpg is missing, wich might be a clue.
06:31<Omochao>Walex: one last question, to clean up the libraries, do I just remove them from /usr/local/lib and run ldconfig again?
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06:40<henryk>now when i manually download the Release.gpg and run apt-get update again, i still get the invalid signature error, but if i test the signature manually against /etc/apt/trusted.gpg i get a good signature.... http://paste.debian.net/983205/
06:41*henryk flips table
06:45<TobiX>henryk: I tried to reproduce that, but https://deb.henrykszeug.de/deb.henrykszeug.gpg is 404 ...
06:46<henryk>it's here, right next to the release file: http://deb.henrykszeug.de/sid/all/Release.gpg ^^
06:47<henryk>TobiX: eh, whoops. i mean https://deb.henrykszeug.de/deb.henrykszeug.de.key
06:47<henryk>need to update the frontpage ^^
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06:53<TobiX>henryk: Maybe this is the problem:
06:53<TobiX>gpgv: WARNING: This key is not suitable for signing in --compliance=gnupg mode
06:53<TobiX>gpgv: binary signature, digest algorithm SHA1, key algorithm rsa4096
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06:54<TobiX>This also fails verification: gpgv -v --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --weak-digest SHA1 deb.henrykszeug.de_sid_all_Release.gpg deb.henrykszeug.de_sid_all_Release.FAILED
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06:55<henryk>TobiX: interesting. thanks, i will investigate.
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06:57<TobiX>henryk: gnupg 2 uses stonger defaults AFAIK, so using that may solve your problem...
06:58<TobiX>Also, the bettercrypto.org handbook has suggestions for strong gpg.conf settings
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07:02<TobiX>henryk: For the future: apt update -oDebug::Acquire::gpgv=true
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07:06<henryk>TobiX: that solved it. thanks a lot.
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08:25<captain>hey guys, I can't open sync. I input 127.0.0.1:888 but it display "unable to connect"
08:25<captain>127.0.0.1:8888
08:25<captain>how can I start sync?
08:26<grawity>you mean the "bittorrent sync" thing?
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08:26<captain>yes
08:27<grawity>are you sure it's currently running?
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08:27<grawity>run `netstat -lptn` as root, and check what ports it's actually listening on (if any)
08:27<captain>I don't know .
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08:28<captain>ah...it seems like....
08:28<captain>I have not start it...
08:29<captain>how can I launch sync?
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08:33<magguda>Bonjour
08:33<itd>magguda: Hello.
08:34<magguda>itd :)
08:35<magguda>quel est le sujet de se site ?
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08:35<coruja>!fr
08:35<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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08:36<magguda>ok sujet: aide sur l utilisation de debian
08:36<coruja>oui
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08:36<magguda>bon se ne va pas etre ma tasse de thé de suis sous linux mint
08:37<magguda>et je ne connais pas tres bien linux
08:37<magguda>salut !!
08:38<coruja>!linux mint
08:38<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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09:14<hendry>what is the deb-src CDN url for Jessie? doesn't appear to be: deb-src http://deb.debian.org/ jessie main
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09:15<towo`>hendry, deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
09:16<hendry>towo`: oh right, deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian jessie main
09:16<grawity>oh the /debian is needed now?
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09:16<towo`>now? it was allways there
09:17<grawity>also, speaking of which
09:17<hendry>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror seems to have some churn ;)
09:17<grawity>is it okay to use the cdn for debian-security, or should I stick with security.deian.org
09:18<grawity>because the page at http://deb.debian.org/ says "you can use the cdn" and IRC says "you shouldn't use any mirrors"
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09:32<NieDzejko>I mean, every package is signed, right?
09:32<NieDzejko>that would mean that it's OK to use the cdn for security
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09:38<itd>grawity: While a mirror might vanish, security.debian.org will (hopefully) never. I'd recommend security.debian.org.
09:39<coruja>The security updates are not hosted on the usual network of Debian mirrors but on security.debian.org (on a small set of machines maintained by the Debian System Administrators).
09:39<grawity>then why does http://deb.debian.org/ say the opposite
09:40<coruja>maybe some innovation ;)
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09:50<coruja>seems to work fine, good to know
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10:11<NieDzejko>if you use a mirror redirector, maybe it will redirect you to security.debian.org?
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11:17<debianfan>I have a question regarding an application that seems to crash at launch
11:19<debianfan>When Steam launches in the terminal, this is the output. No GUI is shown beyond the EULA acceptance screen: https://pastebin.com/0i6D18sf
11:19<debianfan>I had to use dpkg to install the deb file, as the Gnome Software installer doesn't work with any non-repo packages on my system
11:20<debianfan>And then I repaired the install with apt
11:20<dboles>that should've been red flag enough
11:20<dboles>try this - 2nd last section (1st result on google) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam/Troubleshooting#Symbol_lookup_error_using_dri3
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11:22<debianfan>Danke
11:22<debianfan>It worked
11:22<dboles>cool!
11:22<debianfan>So now I just have to edit the Gnome launcher to include that flag for steam whenever it launches
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11:23<debianfan>Also, while I'm here, is anyone else having problems with Gnome Software saying "This file is unsupported" whenever you try to install a non-repo package?
11:24<dboles>debianfan: yup, and iirc the .desktop file needs Exec=env VAR=val command
11:24*dboles doesn't use gnome-software
11:25*debianfan prefers gnome-software but wishes it would actually work
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11:40<debianfan>Also, I've noticed that I use a fairly high amount of RAM at system idle when comapred to Jessie (about 1.5-1.7 GB at idle). Is this normal?
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11:52<zaki>有人在吗? 咨询一下问题
11:52<dboles>!jp
11:52<dpkg>Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on irc.debian.or.jp or speak English here.
11:52<dboles>:)
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11:53<zaki>yes
11:54<zaki>I am China no japanese
11:54<dboles>oh sorry - i am just an ignorant English speaker :(
11:54<dboles>Let's try the right one...
11:54<dboles>!cn
11:54<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
11:57<zaki>- - !!! I have question , I an here debian make 'libQtShadowsocks' but recipe for target 'build' failed
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11:58<zaki>I hope I can get help
11:58<dboles>If you can post the failing part of the `make` output, or just the whole thing in a pastebin, that would help people understand what might be going wrong
11:59<zaki> if (kdf) delete kdf;
11:59<zaki>
12:00<debianfan>I'm swapping out to disk like crazy
12:00<debianfan>someone hebl
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12:02<dboles>zaki: then what is the error from make? it may be better to post the whole thing then link us to it
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12:02<zaki>Just a moment. I'm organizing the language. I'm not very good at English
12:04<zaki>He hints 'error: ‘kdf’ was not declared in this scope '
12:04<zaki>I'm very confused
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12:06<dboles>kdf is a class member, which is only declared in the header if USE_BOTAN2 is defined
12:07<dboles>https://github.com/shadowsocks/libQtShadowsocks/blob/6514370e87d7ef91f5b84c32bf4912d09159f06f/lib/cipher.h#L104
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12:07<dboles>but the source file tries to use it regardless
12:07<dboles>https://github.com/shadowsocks/libQtShadowsocks/blob/6514370e87d7ef91f5b84c32bf4912d09159f06f/lib/cipher.cpp#L105
12:07<dboles>that just seems extremely broken to me
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12:09<dboles>If so, you'd need to file a bug there https://github.com/shadowsocks/libQtShadowsocks/issues
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12:10<dboles>of course, if alternatively you want to use botan2 anyway (whatever that is!) then you could add -DUSE_BOTAN2 to the compiler preprocessor arguments
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12:10<zaki>I understand
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12:10<zaki>Thank you @dboles
12:10<jmcnaught>debianfan: a command like 'ps -eF --sort=pmem | tail -n 10' will show the 10 processes using the most memory. Or you can run top and sort by memory by pressing captial M
12:10<dboles>zaki: you're welcome!
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12:11<dboles>jmcnaught: they're logged out, hopefully not due to being swapped to their doom :P
12:11<CQ>hello, I'm using fetchmail to store mails on a dovecot server, and imapfilter to filter them. What I'd like to do is save individual mails in a textfile, or process them, kind of like how the BTS does it... any idea how that is set up? use imapfilter to save to file, then cron a directory to process it?
12:11<CQ>or procmail, whatever
12:11<jmcnaught>dboles: they quit at the same time I pressed enter ☹
12:12<grawity>tell fetchmail to deliver them directly to procmail, and procmail to use a maildir/
12:12<dboles>jmcnaught: huh, i was sure the name was already grey
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12:13<CQ>grawity: well, my fetchmail is "dumb" and not doing any filtering, that's why I was thinking of keeping it separate
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12:21<zaki>what ?
12:22<zaki>'dboles' is quit ?
12:26<itd>zaki: Not sure what your goal is, but this may be related to your output: https://github.com/shadowsocks/libQtShadowsocks/pull/130
12:26<hthoreau>Hi. I'm having this problem where, when I close my laptop lid, and it then enters a suspended state, when I reopen the lid I'm unable to snap my laptop out of it.
12:26<hthoreau>The fans do run and the keyboard light turns on, suport the indication that, indeed, it wasn't turned off instead by closing the lid.
12:28<hthoreau>I've tried, then to turn off the option to suspend by closing the lid in gnome's tweak menu, and using Ctrl+Alt+F1 to return to the user selection screen and leave it at that.
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12:30<hthoreau>But then I close the lid, reopen it, and I find out that though the screen has never turned off, the keyboard and the touchpad do not respond. -_-
12:30<hthoreau>So I still have to turn do a hard restart to use the system again.
12:33<jmcnaught>hthoreau: do you have another computer you can try connecting to this one from after a 'resume', with ssh for example?
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12:33<hthoreau>Hm... I could connect my LineageOS tablet.
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12:34<hthoreau>It has a ConnectBot ssh application, though I never used it before. -_-
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12:35<hthoreau>Let me try connecting them and then I'll come back here.
12:35<somiaj>hthoreau: connect bot works just like ssh, if you have an ssh server running it will work.
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12:36<jmcnaught>hthoreau: if you can connect by ssh after a failed resume, it could be something like a video card driver not resuming properly. If you can't, the next step would be to look at the logs of the failed suspend/resume event after rebooting
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12:39<hthoreau>Ok, now I connected the tablet and I'm talking to you guys through it.
12:39<hthoreau>Now I'll setup the SSH server...
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12:58<hthoreau>jmcnaught: I believe there is a learning curve here for setting up a ssh server. xD
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12:59<hthoreau>jmcnaught: Let's try it with the dmesg method?
13:00<hthoreau>somiaj: jmcnaught: I just reproduce the error, restart and then give you guys the paste from “sudo dmesg”?
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13:01<jmcnaught>hthoreau: dmesg only shows messages for the current boot, you would need to look at /var/log/syslog and find where the current boot starts (it will have a line with the string 0.00000) and then look above that for clues
13:02<jmcnaught>hthoreau: to install an ssh server you should be able to simply "apt-get install ssh"
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13:11<hthoreau>jmcnaught: I restarted the system and upon login immidiately used dmesg. Here's the result: http://paste.debian.net/983247/
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13:12<jmcnaught>hthoreau: dmesg does not show messages from the previous boot, so this paste would not include the failed suspend/resume event
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13:13<hthoreau>Oh. It will be in the /var/log/sys...
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13:13<jmcnaught>hthoreau: also it looks like you're using grsecurity… how else does your system differ from a standard Debian install?
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13:14<jmcnaught>and does the problem happen on this hardware when you use a stock/vanilla Debian stretch kernel?
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13:16<hthoreau>It is a Subgraph. I used to have a vanilla Debian Stretch, it used to have this problem but I used it at home so I didn't bother (I would leave the lid open at all times). Now, since yesterday I started carrying this laptop around.
13:18<hthoreau>Ok, I'll reproduce the error now and then search for it at my syslog using its timestamp as reference.
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13:19<blast007>so not a Debian system.
13:22<blast007>http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=subgraph
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13:27<somiaj>hthoreau: in the future, please don't use #debian support for non-debian systems.
13:27<hthoreau>jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/35b461ea/
13:28<somiaj>you could try to debug the issue in debian stretch, but it could just be your amd/intel video card hardware, the hybrids are known to have problems in linux.
13:31<hthoreau>Ok, then I'll backup subgraph, install stretch and debug this.
13:32<somiaj>well if you are not planning on running debian because you like subgraph better, then you should debug this in subgraph.
13:32<hthoreau>It'll be a stretch straight out of the box.
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13:33<hthoreau>Well, but it used to happen with Stretch.
13:33<somiaj>sure, it is most likely a kernel/hardware issue. But we choose to only support debian here.
13:33<hthoreau>And, well, you guys are just more noumerous and hence available to give support. xD
13:34<somiaj>part of what you get when choosing a distro is the support community.
13:35<hthoreau>somiaj: True dat, true dat.
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13:41<hthoreau>Well, I have another laptop using Stretch.
13:42<hthoreau>Ops, sorry, wrong message.
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14:05<jimpop>what is a good/best way to find dependend pkgs/programs when a package (i.e. libxml) is updated?
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14:10<itd>dpkg: apt-rdepends
14:10<dpkg>i heard apt-rdepends is a program which can show dependencies or reverse dependencies (what depends on the package). It is useful for removing large multi-package applications such as gnome.
14:10<itd>jimpop: Something like that ^ ?
14:10<jimpop>itd: thx, that looks promising
14:12<jimpop>hmmm, apt-rdepends shows what dependencies libxml2 has. What i want is something like this:
14:12<jimpop>apt-cache --installed rdepends libxml2
14:12<jimpop>but only for services that need restrating
14:12<jimpop>*restarting
14:13<grawity>hmm, isn't there some sort of built-in thing?
14:13<jimpop>not for everything
14:13<grawity>I remember occassionally getting prompted if I want to restart libc-using software
14:13<jimpop>yep
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16:40<jlbg>hello world
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17:03<Drzacek>Hi
17:03<Drzacek>x11vnc - how to check if vnc server is running?
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18:37<nicolas17>I have a script run by cron and I want cron to email the output only if the script fails
18:37<nicolas17>can cron do that, or do I need to handle it within the script? (eg. save output to a file, if script fails 'cat' the log to stdout)
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18:40<abrotman>cron will email you output. If the script has no output normally, then you won't gte an email
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18:41<nicolas17>the script *could* run its commands with -q to avoid any output on success... but if something fails I'd prefer to get the verbose messages too
18:41<nicolas17>so I guess temp log file it is
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21:51<Guest3433>google
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21:52<ect0s>Can anyone direct me to a channel where I can get some help setting up LVM and Raid?
21:53<abrotman>on which distro
21:53<abrotman>?
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21:56<ect0s>Debian Jesse
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21:58<ect0s>I have a Logical Volume spanning three disks (12tb), and I have an identical set of 3 disks.. I wanted to setup mirroring or raid, but I'm getting hung up on the specifics of my setup.
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22:06<abrotman>You want RAID1 across three drives?
22:06<ect0s>Yes, sort of. Have 6 drives, 3 in a volume currently, want to add 3 as redundancy
22:07<ect0s>3 additional*
22:07<nicolas17>abrotman: sounds like a RAID1 across two JBODs
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22:07<abrotman>ect0s: so, you want 1+0 ?
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22:08<abrotman>eh, nicolas17 , yeah
22:08<ect0s>Yeah, In the end I need 12tb (3 drives) of space, but redundancy.
22:08<nicolas17>I never did RAIDy things with LVM
22:08<ect0s>Currently have ~7tb on the volume in question
22:09<nicolas17>but I still think the first step is making those three disks be (or have) PVs in the same VG as your current stuff
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22:09<ect0s>Yeah, the guides I have read show adding the pvs
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22:10<nicolas17>I don't know how to make them join your LV in the way you want though, will let someone more experienced answer that part :)
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22:11<ect0s>Every guide I've read explains how to setup raid on 2(1) or 4 disks (RAID10) but Im not sure what will happen with 6. I thought of creating 3 RAID 1 arrays (two drives each), then trying to use LVM to combine the space
22:13<ect0s>Im trying to figure out the simplest setup I can go with and might be over complicating things
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22:15<ect0s>I haven't spent alot of time with LVM - just when I was installing jesse I noticed I could combine the disks on hand for the storage space I needed at the time. I just recently wanted to add redundancy because the amount of data stored is beginning to grow and I no longer have a simple way to pull the data off for a quick backup.
22:16<nicolas17>ect0s: I think making three two-disk RAID1s and concatenating them with LVM would work, but I don't think you can do that without reformatting at this point
22:16<nicolas17>and there has to be a better way(tm)
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22:19<ect0s>My thought process currently is shink the volume to two disks, then create two raid1 mirrors with the remaining 4 (and concatenate), move data over to this, then process the remaining two disk in the same way/add to lvm
22:20<ect0s>just seams more complicated than Id like
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22:24<nicolas17>ect0s: is your current LV in linear layout? check with "sudo lvs -o +lv_layout"
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22:26<ect0s>yes, linear
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22:31<Guest3435>hi, anyone here?
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22:32<ect0s>there are a few here
22:32<Guest3435>I just installed debian with cinnamon. I cannot find the icon to search for attached printers. Is it hiding>
22:33<Guest3435>Hi a few
22:35<ect0s>Printers
22:35<ect0s> For configure printers, install system-config-printer and the gtk3-print-backends package.
22:35<ect0s>shows up on arch, see if those are installed
22:36<Guest3435>thank you. Id been looking most of the afternoon, and even reinstalled incase..
22:36<ect0s>might be what your looking for
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22:38<nicolas17>ect0s: are all disks the same size?
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22:39<Guest3435>not seeing gtk3-print in synaptics. Is it somewhere else>
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22:44<ect0s>Guest3435 you might also need to update/install the cinnamon applet for what your lookign for
22:44<ect0s>nicolas17 yes
22:44<ect0s>all 4tb
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23:05<nicolas17>ect0s: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/convert-mirror-to-RAID1.html
23:05<nicolas17>nooo wrong link
23:05<nicolas17>ect0s: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/linear-to-raid.html
23:06<nicolas17>ect0s: you need some free space for metadata so you will have to shrink the filesystem and LV by a couple of extents for each PV
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