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00:22<Caelum>Hi, I was wondering how I could possibly backport dpkg to an older system when dpkg-dev is a build-dep for dpkg, and dpkg itself is the source for dpkg-dev
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00:28<zaki>hello ! I have a question ,My install kde desktop ,but in kde desktop not show network icon ,why ?
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00:29<zaki>My install network-manager ,but not show network icon
00:29<zaki>I'm confused
00:29<jathan>zaki: Run nm-applet in a terminal.
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01:00<zaki>Anybody here ?
01:00<jathan>zaki: Yes
01:02<zaki>I have question ,abut kde desktop!
01:02<zaki>I install kde desktop ,but no show network icon
01:02<zaki>why ?
01:03<zaki>I install kde desktop ,but kde desktop not show network icon
01:03<grawity>zaki: install plasma-nm
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01:04<zaki>Thank you @jathan
01:05<jathan>zaki: Have you tried to run nm-applet in a Terminal Emulator like Konsole?
01:06<grawity>last I checked plasma does not support anymore the tray icon type that nm-applet uses
01:06<zaki>My install plasma-nm ,but no show network icon ,need restart computer
01:07<jathan>zaki: Which Debian version are you using?
01:08<zaki>Debian 4.9.18 @jathan
01:10<zaki>Do you need to restart my computer ?
01:11<zaki>Do my need to restart my computer?
01:11<zaki>My English is not good , I'm sorry
01:14<zaki>@jathan if my konsol run nm-applet in Terminal ,kde desktop show icon
01:15<jathan>zaki: So can you see now the network icon?
01:16<zaki>if run nm-applet in Terminal , yes i can
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01:17<zaki>if run nm-applet in Terminal , Yes i can network icon
01:17<grawity>oh, so that's still supported
01:20<zaki>I try install network-manager , install success ,but not show network icon
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01:21<jathan>zaki: Set nm-applet as autostart application in your KDE Desktop settings, and if not try wicd-gtk ;)
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01:23<jmcnaught>zaki: how did you install KDE? Did you disable apt recommends?
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01:26<zaki>I user apt-get install
01:26<zaki>@jathan install wicd-gtk ?
01:27<zaki>@jmcnaught Yes , i use apt-get install
01:28<zaki>@jmcnaught Yes , i use 'apt-get' install KDE
01:28<jmcnaught>zaki: Did you disable recommends? What package(s) did you install (what are their names)?
01:29<zaki>My use "apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop" install KDE desktop
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01:31<jmcnaught>zaki: you may want to install either the kde-standard or task-kde-desktop for a more comprehensive KDE desktop. Installing those meta-packages will ensure that all the parts of KDE one expects will be installed
01:32<zaki>then desktop install success ,but no show network icon ,I suspect there is a lack of KDE components
01:32<jmcnaught>zaki: if you run "apt-get install task-kde-desktop" does it want to install more packages?
01:33<zaki>Yes
01:34<jmcnaught>task-kde-desktop installs a more complete KDE desktop than the kde-plasma-desktop package does
01:35<zaki>I'm executing 'apt-get install task-kde-desktop'
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01:38<dooglus>I'm trying to install virtualbox following https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22
01:38<dooglus>when I "# apt-get update" it tells me: W: The repository 'http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch Release' does not have a Release file.
01:38<dooglus>why?
01:39<dooglus>http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/stretch/contrib/binary-amd64/Release appears to exist
01:40<zaki>@dooglus apt-get search , search 'virtualbox' exist
01:40<zaki>if virtualbox is exis , executing apt-get install
01:40<dooglus>zaki, stretch apparenty removed virtualbox
01:41<dooglus>so I need to add the virtualbox.org repo to find it
01:42<annadane>i find virt-manager works quite well
01:42<annadane>blah blah don't add 3rd party repos blah
01:43<jmcnaught>dooglus: can you show the exact line you added to sources.list?
01:43<dooglus>jmcnaught: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list contains one line:
01:43<dooglus>deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib
01:44<zaki>@dooglus you try http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.1.26/virtualbox-5.1_5.1.26-117224~Debian~stretch_amd64.deb
01:44<dooglus>annadane: I would tend to agree, but virtualbox was part of debian for me until yesterday, and I have stuff in a virtual machine that I need access to
01:44<zaki>dkpg -i 'name '
01:44<dooglus>zaki: I didn't
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01:45<zaki>@dooglus wget http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.1.26/virtualbox-5.1_5.1.26-117224~Debian~stretch_amd64.deb
01:45*banished says hey all
01:45<dooglus>zaki: I'd prefer to use apt-get so it stays up to date
01:46<zaki>understand
01:46<banished>compiz work with stretch yet?
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01:48<rjsalts>banished: it's in stretch. https://packages.debian.org/stretch/compiz
01:48<zaki>@dooglus apt-get install virtualbox , Is there a prompt error?
01:49<zaki>I doubt the lack of dependence
01:49<dooglus>zaki: not now that I've installed the .deb package you linked to
01:49<banished>rjsalts: cool but does it work
01:50<banished>everytime I upgraded last time I used it I ran into a boat load of pain
01:50<dooglus>it seems to work
01:50<banished>tks dooglus
01:51<banished>hope they don't break it
01:51<zaki>network icon ,The problem is still there !
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01:51<zaki>I'm sad.
01:52<annadane>not to be a backseat computer user, it's just very common for people "to just add a repository so i can get the software i want"
01:52<annadane>if you know what you're doing then that's your choice
01:53<jmcnaught>zaki: have you restarted your KDE session since installing the new packages (by logging out and logging back in)? If that doesn't work, I would also create a new test user and see if the problem exists for the new account as well.
01:53<dooglus>I clearly don't know what I'm doing or I wouldn't be asking here about how to get 'apt-get update' to work
01:54<zaki>OK,I'll be away for a short while,because restart computer
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01:55<DanieleV[m]>Hey mates, have you heard about Librem 5?
01:55<annadane>!chat
01:55<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
01:55<banished>dooglus, am in late and this seems like a dutzie question but did you check your sources.list file to make sure it got updated when you changed repository entries??
01:56<DanieleV[m]>Oh sorry
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01:57<zaki>I'm back!
01:57<jmcnaught>dooglus: I tried and I'm not able to replicate your problem. http://paste.debian.net/983306/
01:57<zaki>Thanks very much
01:58<zaki>@jmcnaught
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01:58<jmcnaught>zaki: you have a network icon now?
01:59<zaki>@everybody network icon show , question solve
01:59<zaki>yes ,OK
01:59<jmcnaught>zaki: good work
02:00<zaki>@dooglus deb install virualbox ,you have question ?
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02:06<dooglus>jmcnaught: interesting. I wonder why it's different for me
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02:09<annadane>is this a situation that calls for !bat?
02:09<annadane>!bat
02:09<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
02:09<annadane>could also just try a different mirror
02:11<dooglus>annadane: it's not on the mirrors - that's the whole problem
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02:12<annadane>ah i didn't scroll up enough
02:13<dooglus>here's the info you requested: http://paste.debian.net/983308/
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02:13<dooglus>note the: Err:3 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch/contrib i386 Packages \n 403 Forbidden
02:13<dooglus>I remember adding i386 packages a long time ago - could that be the problem?
02:15<dooglus>"multiarch" rings a bell
02:15<banished>dooglus, I learned that some i386 only contain scripts, so I check to make sure if something requests an i386 pkg it doens't contain a lib.so file.
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02:18<banished>:D
02:18<LukaszMTBPoland>Hello
02:18<dooglus>I see I can tell it to only download for a single arch, like this:
02:18<dooglus>deb [ arch=amd64 ] http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib
02:19<dooglus>(but it didn't help - now I see a different error)
02:19<dooglus>Err:3 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch/contrib amd64 Packages \n 403 Forbidden
02:19<dooglus>whereas jeremy saw: Get:8 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch/contrib amd64 Packages [1,459 B]
02:20<dooglus>same URL, different result
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02:20<banished>dooglus, dists?
02:20<dooglus>what do you mean?
02:20<banished>http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/
02:21<dooglus>ok... what do you want me to do with that?
02:22<banished>can you find it in the tree
02:22<dooglus>the URL opens in a web brower, and gives me a list of dists
02:22<dooglus>if that's what you're asking
02:23<banished>u saying you cant update your repos list for virtual box?
02:23<dooglus>yes
02:23<dooglus>apt-get update fails
02:23<banished>and its in your sources.list file
02:23<dooglus>it's in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list
02:24<dooglus>but I can put it in sources.list if you think it'll help
02:24<banished>nope
02:24<banished>then again
02:24<dooglus>it didn't
02:24<dooglus>"Err:3 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch/contrib amd64 Packages ... 403 Forbidden"
02:24<dooglus>I can wget that URL just fine - don't see 403 Forbidden - so not sure why apt-get sees a 403
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02:35<banished>I'm guessing you already did the http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.1.26/virtualbox-5.1_5.1.26-117224~Debian~stretch_amd64.deb
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02:39<banished>Not sure about the key error with deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib
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02:48<banished>Hmm says they changed the KEY..... http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/sun_vbox.asc
02:48<banished>to
02:48<banished>https://www.virtualbox.org/download/oracle_vbox_2016.asc
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02:52<banished>does anyone know why networking is left non functional without a network connection during install from DVD ISO
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04:13<Tarmabal>hey I am having a problem with NFS v3 on a debian6 client and idk what to do :(
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04:18<itd>Tarmabal: Debian squeeze? Suggested fix: provide more information.
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04:20<Tarmabal>well, I have a NFS v3 and a Debian client, when I try to mount it, only mounts as v4 and I need it to be v3, when I try to force it to version 3 using: mount -v -t nfs -o nfsvers=3 I get the following error: portmap query failed: RPC: Unable to send
04:21<Tarmabal>I also tried to mount it on a ubuntu and it worked fine
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04:21<Tarmabal>I dont know why it doesnt work
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04:25<Guest3454>hello
04:25<Guest3454>anybody here
04:26<towo^work>no
04:26<towo^work>only 792 bots
04:26<Guest3454>ohh why so
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04:27<Guest3454>hey guyz
04:27<Guest3454>wassup
04:27<zaki>what ?
04:28<zaki>wassup ?
04:28<Guest3454>hey zaki how u doing
04:28<Tarmabal>hey guys!
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04:29<zaki>what ?
04:29<zaki>Tarmabl wassup ?
04:30<Tarmabal>uf trying to think why my nfs doesnt work hahahaha
04:30<Tarmabal>computers suck when things dont work XD
04:30<Zimsky>no they don't - people do
04:30<Zimsky>is the rpc service running?
04:31<Tarmabal>yeah in both
04:31<zaki>English is poor, so it's very difficult to understand @Tarmabal
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04:32<Tarmabal>well let me explain slowly
04:32<zaki>I'm depressed , because I English is not good
04:32<Tarmabal>hahaha where are you from zaki?
04:33<Tarmabal>I have a Ubuntu NFS server
04:33<Tarmabal>and I have an Ubuntu NFS client that works perfect
04:33<zaki>My from China
04:33<Tarmabal>and a Debian client
04:33<zaki>The blockaded country
04:33<Tarmabal>hahaha that must suck a lot
04:34<zaki>Cannot access google youtube ...
04:34<Tarmabal>really?
04:34<itd>dpkg: tell zaki -about chat
04:34<Tarmabal>maybe using a vpn?
04:34<zaki>Yes
04:34<zaki>openvpn cannot access
04:34<Tarmabal>how about a tor browser?
04:35<zaki>yes ,I use Shadowsocks and tor browser
04:36<zaki>BandwagonHost buy server
04:37<zaki>Basically, you should be very rare with Chinese people
04:38<llandon>!offtopic
04:38<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
04:38<zaki>sorry
04:38<Tarmabal>sorry too XD
04:38<zaki>understand
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04:39<llandon>Tarmabal: first of all you should upgrade at least to debian 7 (jessie). Debian 6 (squeeze) reached its end-of-life on Febrary 29, 2016
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04:43<Tarmabal>arg, Its not my machine and its a production machine, I really dont wanna touch it a lot
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04:47<itd>Tarmabal: How old is the ubuntu client?
04:48<Edhil>Tarmabal: are you sure there is no filtering issue between NFS server and your debian6 nfs client ?
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04:48<Tarmabal>probably there are issues
04:48<Tarmabal>ubuntu is new
04:48<Tarmabal>I have just set it up
04:48<Edhil>I mean, are they both on same LAN ?
04:49<Edhil>with no firewall on either side ?
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04:53<Tarmabal>firewall is set up enable for both
04:53<Tarmabal>but it allows all trafic between them
04:53<Tarmabal>so I dont think thats a problem
04:54<Tarmabal>network isn't an issue either as they can reach each other
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04:54<rjsalts>Tarmabal: you've done rpcinfo -p otherhost from both of them?
04:55<Tarmabal>from client to server
04:55<Tarmabal>programa vers proto puerto
04:55<Tarmabal> 100000 4 tcp 111 portmapper
04:55<Tarmabal> 100000 3 tcp 111 portmapper
04:55<Tarmabal> 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper
04:55<Tarmabal> 100000 4 udp 111 portmapper
04:55<Tarmabal> 100000 3 udp 111 portmapper
04:55<Tarmabal> 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper
04:55<Tarmabal> 100005 1 udp 59229 mountd
04:55<Tarmabal> 100005 1 tcp 37685 mountd
04:56<Tarmabal> 100005 2 udp 38738 mountd
04:56<Tarmabal> 100005 2 tcp 56387 mountd
04:56<Tarmabal> 100005 3 udp 53795 mountd
04:56<rjsalts>use a paste site
04:56<Tarmabal> 100005 3 tcp 37411 mountd
04:56<Tarmabal> 100003 3 tcp 2049 nfs
04:56<Tarmabal> 100003 4 tcp 2049 nfs
04:56<rjsalts>don't flood
04:56<Tarmabal> 100227 3 tcp 2049
04:56<Tarmabal> 100003 3 udp 2049 nfs
04:56<Tarmabal> 100003 4 udp 2049 nfs
04:56<Tarmabal> 100227 3 udp 2049
04:56<Tarmabal> 100021 1 udp 39616 nlockmgr
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04:56<Tarmabal> 100021 3 udp 39616 nlockmgr
04:56<Tarmabal> 100021 4 udp 39616 nlockmgr
04:56<Tarmabal> 100021 1 tcp 46541 nlockmgr
04:56<Tarmabal> 100021 3 tcp 46541 nlockmgr
04:56<Tarmabal> 100021 4 tcp 46541 nlockmgr
04:56<Tarmabal>ops sorry
04:56<Tarmabal>its short though
04:57<Tarmabal>where can I paste it?
04:57<itd>Tarmabal: paste.debian.net
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04:57<itd>Tarmabal: Also "/msg dpkg paste". :)
04:58<itd>Tarmabal: And "/msg dpkg localized errors".
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04:59<Tarmabal>http://paste.debian.net/983335
05:00<rjsalts>Tarmabal: what version of nfs are you using?
05:01<rjsalts>Tarmabal: 3? 4?
05:01<Tarmabal>nfs 3
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05:01<Tarmabal>but on the client it only mounts it as nfs 4
05:01<Tarmabal>well a fake nfs 4
05:02<Tarmabal>because the server is NFS3
05:02<rjsalts>Tarmabal: the server supports nfs 4 if your rpcinfo -p is to be believed
05:02<Tarmabal>it does but I disable it
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05:03<Tarmabal>and I am trying to force client to mount it as NFS3
05:03<Tarmabal>because it need it
05:03<rjsalts>Tarmabal: so maybe change the mount options to enforce nfs v3 on the client?
05:03<Tarmabal>I need it*
05:03<Tarmabal>http://paste.debian.net/983336/
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05:04<rjsalts>Tarmabal: firewall? selinux? apparmor?
05:05<rjsalts>Tarmabal: you're running that as root I assume
05:05<Tarmabal>yeah all of them are root
05:05<Tarmabal>firwall is not a problem
05:06<Tarmabal>I made a rule to allow communication between hosts
05:07<Tarmabal>well its interesting
05:07<Tarmabal>http://paste.debian.net/983337/
05:07<Tarmabal>if I only mount it, it mounts as nfs4
05:08<Tarmabal>but on my other client (Ubuntu) it mounts it as nfs3
05:08<Tarmabal>http://paste.debian.net/983339/
05:08<rjsalts>Tarmabal: showmount -a server
05:10<Tarmabal>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/721e6e76/
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08:17<efraim>is anyone else having trouble accessing sources.debian.net?
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08:18<itd>efraim: Yes.
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08:42<MagicFab>Is there a status page somewhere for Debian services?
08:45<itd>MagicFab: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains is all I can think of.
08:46<MagicFab>itd, well, Debian wiki links are 503 - Service unavailable :0
08:47<itd>dpkg: debian.net
08:47<dpkg>The "debian.net" domain points at unofficial resources maintained by Debian Developers. The resources are usually not managed or controlled by the Debian sysadmin group, unlike debian.org machines. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains for more information.
08:48<itd>MagicFab: Yeah. That page is a normal wiki page with a list of domains and their purpose. :)
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08:49<itd>MagicFab: Something like https://status.gitlab.com/ or https://status.github.com/ would be nice.
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08:55<itd>In case you still receive a 503, try https://web.archive.org/web/20170202171818/https://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains
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09:13<Spyro>Hi folks
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09:13<Spyro>is debuild the right tool to be using to build packages?
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09:14<Spyro>how can I build a package without signing it? I dont have a key
09:14<grawity>it probably is, though I usually go with plain `dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc`
09:15<Spyro>there seems to be about 600 ways to build a debian package
09:16<grawity>most of them probably just run dpkg-build* behind the scenes
09:16<Spyro>is there a *canonical* guide to doing it correctly ?
09:16<Spyro>(excuse the pun)
09:19<grove>!nmg
09:19<dpkg>The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/
09:20<Spyro>This file describes your package using debian control fields. Below we have defined a binary package and a corresponding source package (from which the binary package can be repackaged):
09:20<Spyro>oops
09:20<Spyro>LOL
09:20<grawity>writing debian/control is one thing; building a .deb out of it is another
09:21<grawity>er, I'm confusing it with debian/rules
09:21<Spyro>k
09:23<Spyro>Is that guide up to date? it seems to refer to 2.0 as the packageing version...
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09:26<Spyro>!best practice
09:26<Spyro>!package basics
09:26<dpkg>"Basics of the Debian package management system" is a chapter of the Debian GNU/Linux <FAQ>, which describes the Debian package format. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics . To create your own Debian packages, ask me about <nmg>.
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09:26<Spyro>gah. IRC stinks.
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09:34<grove>According to wikipedia (the first useable hit) I got, 2.0 is the current version of the packaging format
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09:34<Spyro>weird. I've seen a lot of reference to 3.0
09:34<demo>Salve
09:35<grawity>yeah, I think I've seen "3.0 (quilt)" and "3.0 (git)"?
09:35<Spyro>well I've built a (useless) package that doesnt install anything and doesnt do anything useful. It does uninstall at least.
09:35<itd>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#sourcef -> suggests 3.0
09:36<cascardo>grove: doesn't it refer to the deb (binary) format?
09:36<demo>sto cercando di recuperare mx linux che non mi parte più dopo aver recuperaro windows 10 con il ripristino dell MBR.......sapete da live cd come farlo?
09:36<itd>dpkg: it
09:36<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
09:39<Spyro>so... Im not interested in pre-historic source management options - I want to use pure git. Is there a tutorial for that ?
09:41<itd>Spyro: https://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit
09:41<Spyro>itd: ta :)
09:41<itd>Spyro: Also check out #packaging and #debian-mentors. (Read the /topic. ;))
09:42<Spyro>itd: I'm in #packaging
09:42<Spyro>debina-mentors might be useful
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09:45<Spyro>Cheers folks, got a lot to process now :)
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09:49<KjetilK>for those who discussed a initrd image that wasn't booting with me on Thursday, the update is that configuring and building my own kernel fixed the problem
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11:36<pradip>hello anyone there
11:36<annadane>pradip, go ahead with your question
11:38<pradip>please help me with linux command i am new here
11:38<amacater>!ask
11:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:39<pradip>i have problem when i run ifconfig this Os doesnt reconize my wifi
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11:40<amacater>what wifi card is reported? You may need to install firmware for wifi to work
11:40<pradip>ya but i m now in virtualbox envronment
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11:41<amacater>Check your virtualbox network settings. If you are not in virtualbox and running Linux, does it see wifi?
11:42<pradip>ok sure thanks for ur help
11:42<pradip>i will se my virtualbox settings
11:42<pradip>thanks amacater
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13:12<sjors__>i have an intel wifi-card but the vid:id is not recognized but the chipset is supported, how do i solve this ?
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16:39<Vallet>como usa ?
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16:42<willy>!br
16:42<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:43<Vallet>hunhum
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16:50<thomasross_>i think i'm going insane
16:50<thomasross_>i can't set +r for user and group
16:50<thomasross_>with chmod, does anyone know why?
16:50<thomasross_>it's also got setgid
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16:51<thomasross_>I do chmod u=rwx,g=srx,o=x and i just get -rwxr-s--x
16:52<thomasross_>i am going insane... the read is there ._.
16:52<thomasross_>i can't read apparently
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17:08<Fox682>is this an external drive / USB pen drive?
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17:17<aren>I'm preparing to install debian testing on an old laptop, does anyone have any tips to improve performance?
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17:18<thomasross_>Fox682: I fixed it, I was just being an idiot :)
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17:19<Fox682>Hmmm... I have an issue where I can't set the execution bit on a file on a USB drive
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17:20<Fox682>it would let me set the owner, but it wouldn't let me set the execution bit... until i copied it to a local drive, then it was fine.
17:21<jmcnaught>aren: for testing you'll get moe help in #debian-next (the testing/unstable channel). In general you probably want to use either a lightweight desktop environment or a window manager. If you don't have very much RAM, you could look at using zram swap.
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17:21<Fox682>Oooh... I've got an old laptop that I've got Debian 9 on with 512 MBs of ram.
17:21<Fox682>it's an old Acer Travelmate.
17:21<thomasross_>Fox682: maybe check the fs?
17:22<thomasross_>were you using ntfs or something?
17:22<Fox682>That's a good question, let me check something then.
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17:24<aren>Mine is an IBM thinkpad.
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17:25<aren>Any thoughts on boot time?
17:25<Fox682>Oh sweet aren! I'm on a T43 right now. lol
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17:26<Fox682>It's a couple of minutes, but I've got LMDE2 on it now, I'm gonna nuke and pave for Debian proper and MATE, it'll shave about 80 MBs off startup ram and it should boot a little quicker.
17:28<Fox682>One of the things i've noticed is the networking takes for EVER to get going, so I'm gonna tweak it so that it doesn't spend the time on it and use a startup script to restart networking. so it'll get up faster and get the wifi going later.
17:28<aren>It's a R61 and I think someone added a gig of ram so it had 3 gigs of ram.
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17:29<Fox682>that's definitely workable. I've got 2 GBs in mine (Maxed out)
17:30<aren>I have had ubuntu and manjaro on it previously both of which booted in ~20 seconds when I first installed but I have a habbit of installing cruft.
17:33<Fox682>sounds like the startup system is getting clogged up. it should run faster if you don't load a lot of startup items.
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17:34<aren>I've considered creating a /boot parttion, but I think that might help get to grub faster.
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17:36<aren>The boot process does get clogged up.
17:38<aren>My plan is to use it for school so I think it should be possible to keep processes to a minimum.
17:38<Fox682>You can run tmux on it and do the whole multi-window console thing, I do it on mine, it doesn't complain.
17:39<Fox682>but LXDE or Openbox would probably be more sane lol
17:40<jmcnaught>aren: honestly you could probably run GNOME with 3GB of memory, it'll just be a little sluggish sometimes when you have lots of browser tabs open
17:41<aren>I am a fan of tiling window managers so probably i3 or awesome.
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17:41<jmcnaught>aren: speaking of browsers, light-weight users often run less common browsers, but you should be aware that only chromium and firefox-esr get security support on Debian (and only on stable, testing/unstable don't get security support)
17:43<aren>I have run gnome on X11 on it before but found the animations to be jumpy, wayland would probably help.
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17:45<aren>as for browsers I haven't found any thing better than firefox for me, I have firefox nightly open on my other screen right now.
17:46<aren>Another reason for me to use firefox is it has most of the features of chrome devtools without google.
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18:06<Fox682>I run Debian9/MATE on my old laptops, wifi was a pain and I had to switch to the synapic driver but it works great!
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18:14<jkraehemann>Hi what version of debian is able to run on a AMD k6?
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18:14<amacater>Is this still 32 bit?
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18:15<amacater>Probably i386 - but there may be issues with some very old chips not supporting certain instructions
18:15<jkraehemann>1997
18:15<amacater>How much memory?
18:15<jkraehemann>yes it complains about mov
18:16<jkraehemann>64 MB I think
18:16<amacater>You could try putting Debian 3.1 onto it, which would work well :)
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18:17<jkraehemann>could be that there are 128 MB
18:17<jkraehemann>But unsure
18:17<amacater>If you burn a netinst cd with Debian 7, 8, or 9 on it you might get something that may work - but that small an amount of memory won't run X Windows
18:17<jkraehemann>3.1 comes with Gnome2 :)
18:18<sney>k6 was i686 I'm pretty sure
18:18<amacater>So try Debian 9 :)
18:18<itd>http://www.amd-k6.com/os-support/ claims i586
18:19<jkraehemann>debian doesn't boot because missing mov
18:19<amacater>Ah - then you'll need prior to the change to 686 only - Debian 7 may be the latest
18:19<jkraehemann>thank you
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18:20<rob_debian>Hi all !
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18:23<amacater>!ask
18:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:33<jkraehemann>debian 7 complains about insufficient memory :/
18:34<jkraehemann>Thought, there is something installed
18:34<rob_debian>Please, how do you downgrade the Mate interface that is release 1.16.2 in Debian Stretch 9.1 to the release previously used by Jessie 8.8? The customization features in this current mate release are less than you could have in Mate 1.12.1, for example
18:34<jkraehemann>2.6 kernel
18:36<rob_debian>example: in mate desktop environment 1.16.1 if you follow the path: Preferences -> look and feel -> Appeareance -> Customize -> there isn't 'Colors' tab anymore
18:36<itd>rob_debian: Downgrade is not supported.
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18:36<rob_debian>but you have this resource in mate 1.12.1...
18:37<dboles>https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/customize-colors-missing/9498/4
18:37<dboles>rob_debian: ^
18:37<rob_debian>hi itd, thanks for information !!
18:37<rob_debian>hi dboles, nice to meet you again ! thanks for this path !
18:38<dboles>MATE could probably implement colour customisation using GTK+ 3's new way of theming, but I guess no one has cracked it yet... Still there are various GTK+ 3 themes that you could try out, maybe one of them is close enough :)
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18:40<dboles>actually they might not have much luck doing that... they could certainly e.g. add/remove customisations from the users ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css, but not in a way that's likely to play well with all the CSS of themes and applications...
18:41<dboles>The GTK+ bug report sums it up pretty well: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780527#c1 So it's unfortunate, but it's kind of a price we have to pay for the (better, more standard, less hacky) way theming is done in GTK+ 3
18:41<rob_debian>yes, dboles, in fact, as I can see here... and I can't use 'Adwaita' because it replies: 'this theme will not look as intented because the required window manager theme 'Adwaita'is not installed....
18:41<dboles>that should just mean that window decorations may look different than intended; everything inside the client area should be themed perfectly fine
18:42<dboles>silly question: is the WM theme available for you to install? which WM are you using?
18:42<rob_debian>well, dboles, I really can't understand why they've done that... now themes in mate are quite limited....
18:43<rob_debian>no, dboles, I use Debian Stretch 9.1 in real hardware, it is my primary system
18:43<dboles>i would argue that themes are actually more powerful, potentially, but the barrier to entry is higher as now it requires carefully thought-out CSS, instead of just altering some properties in a theme engine
18:43<dboles>as for why they did it, there's plenty discussion on that on e.g. the GTK+ blog from the time during which the transition was occurring
18:44<rob_debian>I see dboles, more complex than before as consequence....
18:45<rob_debian>Yes, current mate seemed like a work of involution compared to the previous version. In Debian Jessie 8.8, all mate desktop environment engines work perfectly for me
18:46<rob_debian>dboles, do you think it's going to be improved on the next months ?
18:48<dboles>i'm not sure how it could be, really; without adding custom CSS properties to specify tints for various 'special' colours, changing colours in lots of places in a useful, appealing way requires regenerating a lot of CSS
18:48<dboles>not to mention having some way to know that you're not about to set a load of colours that conflict with the system theme, or per-application CSS
18:49<dboles>fwiw I would love if I could tell GTK+ 'use this other colour for highlighting things, instead of blue', but it doesn't seem that easy
18:50<rob_debian>I see dboles
18:50<dboles>you can get a certain amount forward by overriding the various named colours that the theme might define, but those are not standardised, and it's not necessarily true that all the colours you want to affect are derived from those named colours at runtime (they may be baked into the generated CSS)
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18:52<dboles>here are the public named colours that Adwaita offers: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/theme/Adwaita/_colors-public.scss?h=gtk-3-22
18:52<rob_debian>well, I just have to cry here for this current situation in mate and be happy and satisfied a lot for Debian Stretch, for it is marvelous, fast and fine OS !
18:52<dboles>but again, since they're not standard, other themes don't have to use them, and Adwaita may not even use those names in all places
18:52<rob_debian>Simply unbeatable over any other Linux and UNIX-like distribution in general. As always, Debian always surpasses !!
18:53<rob_debian>thanks for this reference about Adwaita, dboles, I'll read it carefully. Realy thank you very much !! :)
18:54<dboles>you're welcome!
18:54<rob_debian>:)
18:54<jkraehemann>Is there any debian 4.0 mirror available?
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18:57<itd>jkraehemann: http://snapshot.debian.org/
18:58<itd>jkraehemann: Last I found with dist/etch/ is 20100620T172521Z
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19:05<jkraehemann>itd: I just run apt-get update
19:06<jkraehemann>In 2006 it was unstable
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19:08<jkraehemann>That's freaking
19:08<jkraehemann>I install wormux
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19:14<jkraehemann>the game runs with 12.5 FPS
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19:27<annadane>is there something anywhere about most popularly requested backport packages?
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19:31<nicolas17>‎[19:37] ‎<‎nicolas17‎>‎ I have a script run by cron and I want cron to email the output only if the script fails
19:31<nicolas17>‎[19:37] ‎<‎nicolas17‎>‎ can cron do that, or do I need to handle it within the script? (eg. save output to a file, if script fails 'cat' the log to stdout)
19:31<nicolas17>I found the solution to this
19:31<nicolas17>http://web.taranis.org/shush/
19:31<nicolas17>abrotman: ^ :)
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19:35<rjsalts>nicolas17: any output in cron will lead to an email being sent, you can also just write your script such that it doesn't produce output
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19:37<nicolas17>rjsalts: the script *could* run the thing with -q to avoid any output on success... but if something fails I'd prefer to get the verbose messages too
19:37<rjsalts>nicolas17: e.g. exec 2>&1 FOO=mycommand; if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then echo $FOO;fi
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19:38<rjsalts>nicolas17: assuming that whatever you're running has a meaningful exit code
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19:39<nicolas17>and if it doesn't have a meaningful exit code, then I can grep the command's output to decide if I should send it out, etc... that seems to be the feature set of shush :P
19:39<rjsalts>nicolas17: if not then you have to do if echo $FOO | grep -q "error"; then echo $FOO;fi or something
19:39<rjsalts>nicolas17: yeah, it does seem to make it easier
19:40<rjsalts>nicolas17: even if you have to install another utility, it might be worth it
19:40<rjsalts>nicolas17: I also like mk_job from check-mk
19:41<rjsalts>nicolas17: if you're doing monitoring via nagios
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19:42<nicolas17>we used to do monitoring with zabbix (then the zabbix server had a hardware failure, and we thought "we didn't like zabbix anyway" and didn't bring it back)
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19:43<nicolas17>now for metrics monitoring like 'alert on high CPU usage' we have influxdb + grafana
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19:56<jimpop>monit ftw, not only alerts but process monitoring and auto restarting of dead processes. No gui too!
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20:14<nicolas17>jimpop: the graphs are the best part here :P
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20:20<rjsalts>I like graphs too
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22:43<jkraehemann>hi all
22:45<jkraehemann>what about dist-upgrade my AMD k6 to debian GNU/Linux i386 lenny?
22:47<jkraehemann>I think this might work until 8.0
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22:51<annadane>jkraehemann, what are you asking, whether dist-upgrade works from etch to lenny?
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23:05<jkraehemann>for a AMD k6
23:05<jkraehemann>yes, exactly
23:05<jkraehemann>I just did it
23:06<jkraehemann>I get 1,4 MB transfer
23:06<jkraehemann>was never so fast
23:06<jkraehemann>^^ 1411 kB/s
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23:26<cheapie>jkraehemann: You can run all versions up to and including jessie on a K6, IIRC.
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23:30<jkraehemann>https://twitter.com/gsequencer/status/902294973810388992
23:31<jkraehemann>I think the problem might be RAM
23:31<jkraehemann>I have never touched it
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23:32<Francisco>hi
23:32<jkraehemann>hi
23:32<Francisco>my english is bad
23:32<jkraehemann>!ask
23:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:32-!-Francisco is now known as Guest3508
23:32<Guest3508>i can questions?
23:32<nicolas17>!es
23:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
23:33-!-Guest3508 is now known as Mauro
23:34<Mauro>I want to run a script on startup
23:34<Mauro>Before you start openvpn at startup
23:35<Mauro>How can I see the order of boot services?
23:35<jkraehemann>https://github.com/joelkraehemann/hda-tool/blob/master/hda-retask.service
23:35<jkraehemann>^^ A simple example invoking /usr/sbin/hda-retask-test.sh
23:36<jkraehemann>starts during WantedBy=multi-user.target
23:37<jkraehemann>you place it in /lib/systemd/system
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23:37<jkraehemann>The enable it `systemctl enable hda-retask.service`
23:38<jkraehemann>^^ Then
23:38<Mauro>My debian has no systemd
23:39<Mauro>I had placed my script in init.d
23:39<nicolas17>what Debian version?
23:40<jkraehemann>sysv's links gives you the priorities
23:41<jkraehemann>Mauro, why not use sysv-rc-conf?
23:41<jkraehemann>it is a console base configuration program
23:41<jkraehemann>^^ base
23:41<jkraehemann>^^ based
23:42<jkraehemann>aptitude search sysv-rc-conf
23:43<Mauro>p sysv-rc-conf - SysV init runlevel configuration tool for
23:44<Mauro>not installed this package
23:44<Mauro>4.4.49-1-pve is my kernel, is a instanse for this proxmox but is debian jessie 8.9
23:45<nicolas17>then install it
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23:47<Mauro>ok
23:47<Mauro>next? never use sysv-rc-conf
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23:48<Mauro>nice, list the services
23:48<Mauro>openvpn 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off
23:49<Mauro>Need to run something before openvpn
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23:50<jmcnaught>jkraehemann: don't put systemd units in /lib/systemd/system, that directory is for packages. Put them in /etc/systemd/system
23:51<nicolas17>actually don't touch *anything* in /lib or /usr (except /usr/local), that's for packages
23:51<jmcnaught>indeed
23:51<Mauro>It is not a package, it is a script that creates a folder.
23:52<Mauro>cd /dev
23:52<Mauro>mkdir net
23:52<Mauro>mknod net/tun c 10 200
23:52<Mauro>chmod 0666 net/tun
23:52<jkraehemann>Originally it was run on a LFS
23:52<jkraehemann>so it is safe
23:53<Mauro>i need execute That before starting openvpn at the beginning
23:53<Mauro>it is understood?
23:53<jkraehemann>Mauro, set priorities
23:53<Mauro>How do I do that?
23:53<Mauro>ok wait
23:55<Mauro>http://paste.debian.net/983471/
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23:56<jkraehemann>sysv-rc-conf?
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23:56<jkraehemann>apt-get install sysv-rc-conf
23:56<Mauro>how set priority a /etc/init.d/tun
23:56<Mauro>i installed sysv-rc-conf
23:56<jkraehemann>Set the run-level
23:57<jkraehemann>^^ first
23:57<Mauro>run-level is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7?
23:57<jkraehemann>Mauro, do you know run-level?!
23:58<jmcnaught>Mauro: you will need to use LSB headers in your custom init script, like X-Start-Before:
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