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01:46<Jan\\>what to do if debian dont boot ?
01:46<towo^work>provide relevant infos?
01:47<towo^work>no one here has a crystalball
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01:48<Jan\\>info like what?
01:48<Jan\\>its from a lice disk
01:48<Jan\\>live*
01:48<Nemoder>what image are you using?
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01:51<Jan\\>the live 64bit version with cinamon or any other desktop doesnt work
01:51<Jan\\>on amd cpu with nvidia gpu
01:52<towo^work>"doesnt work" is saying zero
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01:52<Jan\\>yes you see the first boot screen with the options, after that screen goes black
01:52<Jan\\>after choosing live
01:53<towo^work>add nomodeset as kernel parameter
01:53<Jan\\>and then ?
01:53<towo^work>try to boot with that parameter again
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03:35<Ghostbird>Hi guys, since about a week, sub-pixel font-rendering is broken on my Debian machine at work, and fonts are a pain to look at. At home I am running the same Debian Stretch, but the rendering works fine. I've tried some simple things like dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config. The main point of interest is that it is only broken for my account. The greeter screen show correctly rendered fonts.
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04:04<zaki>Let me ask you a question
04:05<zaki>How do I restore the default font?
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04:05<zaki>Anybody here ?
04:05<cruncher>Ghostbird, zaki, what DE?
04:06<cruncher>zaki, if peopel dont answer in 26 seconds, dont worry.. just wait
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04:06<zaki>I am understand
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04:14<cruncher>zaki, so what DE (Desktop Environment) are you using? but basically you just change the font to what you want... i dont think the default font is being "saved"
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04:19<zaki>@cruncher I am use kde
04:19<zaki>Then the font is pretty ugly
04:19<Ghostbird>cruncher: I'm using Cinnamon. Another interesting observation is that in Visual Studio Code, the fonts look perfectly fine.
04:20<zaki>So I want to restore the font before
04:20<cruncher>Ghostbird, did you try to change the setting to something else, then back?
04:20<zaki>because a before fonts is beautiful
04:21<cruncher>zaki, as i said, i doubt the font is being stored, so you have to "select" the default font
04:21<cruncher>but maybe someone runs cinnamon and can tell you what the default font is
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04:22<Ghostbird>cruncher: Which settings? I used dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config to force subpixel rendering, even when my screen would not be detected as an LCD screen. That didn't change a thing. I changed hinting and anti-aliasing settings, but that didn't affect the rendering at all.
04:22<zaki>I need use default fonts ,but I do not know default fonts name !
04:23<cruncher>Ghostbird, there is probably a program to set the font in cinnamon?
04:23<Ghostbird>zaki: For me it's Sans
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04:23<Ghostbird>cruncher: Yeah, the standard Settings » Fonts
04:24<cruncher>Ghostbird, isnt there some setting for subpixel rendering?
04:24<zaki>@Ghostbird ??? you are not use default fonts ?
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04:24<Ghostbird>zaki: Sans is the default font for me.
04:24<zaki>understand
04:24<Ghostbird>cruncher: Not in that dialogue. Subpixel rendering is handled through libfreetype6 and configuration through dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
04:25<zaki>@Ghostbird I am english is not good
04:25<cruncher>zaki, maybe you want chinese support
04:25<cruncher>!cn
04:25<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
04:26<zaki>I like here very much.
04:26<cruncher>Ghostbird, oh, didnt know that cinnamon has no gui option for that... on xfce there is
04:27<cruncher>Ghostbird, you can try to set it through command line, like "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings rgba-order 'rgb'"
04:28<cruncher>not sure if cinnamon uses dconf though
04:28<cruncher>try "gsettings get org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings rgba-order" to check
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04:30<cruncher>Ghostbird, but anyway, if they are ugly, are you sure you want subpixel rendering, and not antialiasing or hinting?
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04:41<Ghostbird>cruncher: Well, the default subpixel rendering looks fantastic. It just broke down suddenly, and I'm trying to get it back.
04:42<Ghostbird>cruncher: Any combination of anti-aliasing and hinting I've tried looks completely horrible in comparison to the default subpixel rendering that Debian comes with.
04:42<cruncher>Ghostbird, well, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and fontconfig-config is the way...
04:43<cruncher>i have no idea why it wouldnt get applied
04:43<cruncher>does it happen with all fonts?
04:43<Ghostbird>cruncher: Yeah, I did that, to no effect. That's why I'm asking here. Thanks at least for the confirmation.
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04:44<Ghostbird>cruncher: It happens with all fonts, except that the text in Visual Studio Code looks perfectly fine. I'm not sure why, I guess it uses a different font rendering library/configuration.
04:45<cruncher>Ghostbird, you could try rebuilding the font cache
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04:51<Ghostbird>cruncher: That's what dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig does.
04:51<Ghostbird>cruncher: Hence I already tried that, to no avail.
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04:52<cruncher>Ghostbird, yes, but it does it only for system wide folders, not the ones in the home folders
04:52<cruncher>hence, you didnt ;-)
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04:54<cruncher>so you would want fc-cache -f -v
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06:33<KjetilK>I have just upgraded my router box to Stretch and I have a problem starting dnsmasq on bootup. It fails, with this: https://pastebin.com/9XVbNeaA
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06:34<KjetilK>to me, it seems to start too early, and if I start it by hand using systemctl start dnsmasq.service
06:34<KjetilK>it starts and works just fine
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06:35<KjetilK>so, I don't think it is the dnsmasq config itself
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06:36<KjetilK>I have tried to edit /lib/systemd/system/dnsmasq.service to say Requires=network-online.target
06:36<KjetilK>but that didn't help
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06:41<KjetilK>here's a grep dnsmasq syslog from today: https://pastebin.com/2zJEhAWV
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06:47<cruncher>KjetilK, was Requires= empty before or why did you change it? could you paste that lib/.../dnsmasq.service file?
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06:49<KjetilK>cruncher, Requires was set to network.target
06:49<KjetilK>I changed it to network-online.target, since that is supposed to wait until the network is actually up
06:50<cruncher>KjetilK, then you would want After=, not Requires
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06:50<KjetilK>right, I changed both :-)
06:50<cruncher>but anyway, if the file you will paste is original, you might want to use StartLimitIntervalSec and StartLimitBurst, really itf its the case that it is slow
06:51<KjetilK>here's the dnsmasq.service : https://pastebin.com/b5DXw8bV
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06:52<KjetilK>I changed only After and Requires
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06:52<KjetilK>OK, I'll look up docs for those
06:53<KjetilK>BTW, I'm using /etc/network/interfaces to configure the network, could it be that something isn't correctly hooked in there?
06:54<cruncher>KjetilK, with static ip i guess?
06:55<cruncher>you can paste it
06:56<KjetilK>I have static IPs on the inside, dhcp on eth0
06:56<KjetilK>sure
06:56<cruncher>and what interfaces is dnsmasq configured to?
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06:57<KjetilK>eth1 through eth3
06:57<KjetilK>https://pastebin.com/eF4ehg5F
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06:58<KjetilK>so, this is how it looks, kinda: http://dev.kjernsmo.net/Nettarkitektur.png
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06:59<KjetilK>and then there's a bunch of VLANs on eth2
07:02<cruncher>KjetilK, first, did you check the logs for anything on dnsmasq that might give you a clue about the real reason?
07:04<KjetilK>cruncher, yeah, I've started at it since last night... :-)
07:04<KjetilK>there's a hint in "Aug 30 11:36:45 kanga dnsmasq[1092]: warning: interface eth1 does not currently exist"
07:04<KjetilK>that it is coming up too early
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07:05<KjetilK>but apart from that, nothing I can think of
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07:06<KjetilK>that message is not there when I start it by hand
07:07<cruncher>yeah, because all is up by then
07:07*KjetilK nods
07:07<cruncher>it may be something in the dnsmasq.conf itself
07:07<cruncher>what do you have in the *interfaces* part?
07:08<KjetilK>it might, but since this config worked perfectly on jessie, and not much has changed in dnsmasq since then, and it starts perfectly fine by hand
07:08<KjetilK>very simple, let me paste
07:09<KjetilK>https://pastebin.com/NDcxmmMe
07:09<cruncher>ad maybe paste a "journalctl -u dnsmasq" too
07:09<KjetilK>sure
07:10<KjetilK>https://pastebin.com/i3U94Fgc
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07:12<KjetilK>so, I have a feeling, there's something wrong in my systemd setup rather than the dnsmasq setup...
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07:12<cruncher>KjetilK, there might be a completely different problem.. i noticed that the service is being restart in a few seconds.. i dont guess that was you?
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07:12<cruncher>and thenm, of course it hits the start limit
07:13<KjetilK>hmmm
07:13<KjetilK>perhaps
07:13<KjetilK>right, good point
07:14<KjetilK>so, it seems to be waiting around for interfaces to come up, retrying every few seconds
07:14<KjetilK>then, hits the limit
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07:14*KjetilK nods, good catch
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07:16<KjetilK>I get
07:16<KjetilK>root@kanga:~# systemctl list-dependencies network-online.target
07:16<KjetilK>network-online.target
07:16<KjetilK>● └─networking.service
07:16<KjetilK>and
07:16<KjetilK>root@kanga:~# systemctl list-dependencies networking.service
07:17<KjetilK>networking.service
07:17<KjetilK>● ├─system.slice
07:17<KjetilK>● └─network.target
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07:17<KjetilK>so, these will probably fire with very time in between
07:18<cruncher>one is missing on the first output, NetworkManager-wait-online.service
07:18<cruncher>(if its installed)
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07:18<cruncher>oh no, you said its a router box, so probably headless
07:18*KjetilK nods
07:18<KjetilK>no NetworkManager here :-)
07:18<Ghostbird>cruncher: Alas, fc-cache -fv didn't work.
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07:19<cruncher>Ghostbird, ran that as user i guess?
07:21<Ghostbird>cruncher: Yup, and as root again, just to ensure that it would also refresh the non-user-writable system caches.
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07:21<cruncher>KjetilK, in dnsmasq.conf, is bind-interfaces active?
07:21*KjetilK looks
07:21<KjetilK>cruncher, no
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07:26<KjetilK>hmmm, so networking.service has
07:26<KjetilK>TimeoutStartSec=5min
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07:27<KjetilK>well, nevermind
07:27<KjetilK>I don't understand why dnsmasq would even try to start without all interfaces ready...
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07:34<cruncher>KjetilK, yeah, but its only a warning, it shouldnt be a problem. I would be more concerned on why the service is stopped, even after an apprently successful start
07:36<KjetilK>hmm, ok
07:38<KjetilK>OK, so what if I increase StartLimitBurst= to allow it to continue trying for a while?
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07:39<cruncher>that should work, but its only a workaround
07:40*KjetilK nods
07:40<KjetilK>but if it works, I may understand the problem better
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07:42<cruncher>KjetilK, dont forget to reverse the change you did in the service file
07:42<KjetilK>why?
07:42<cruncher>becasue thats how it is intended :)
07:44<KjetilK>but https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/#conceptsinsystemd says "network.target has very little meaning during start-up. "
07:44<KjetilK>seems a bit odd to me...
07:44<lufeng>hey guys, i am using debian with cinnamon desktop, when i watching movies, the screen always get dark after a while. what should i do?
07:45<lufeng>please
07:45<HappyLoaf>Power saving/screensaver
07:46<cruncher>KjetilK, yes, true, with *online* it ensures its "up"
07:46<cruncher>did you try a reboot with "online"?
07:47<lufeng>I've done those Settings, but steel not work
07:47<lufeng>still
07:48<KjetilK>cruncher, yeah, no change, really...
07:49<KjetilK>but yeah, ok, one change at a time is reasonable
07:50<lufeng>HappyLoaf: thanks a lot! it is my carelessness
07:50<lufeng>lol
07:50<petn-randall>lufeng: You can use the tool "caffeine" to prevent screensaving to go on when watching a video in full screen.
07:51<lufeng>thanks guys, I have solved it, HappyLoaf is right
07:52<petn-randall>lufeng: Turning it off has the side effect that the screen saver will never go on. Is that what you want?
07:53<KjetilK>ok, going down for reboot
07:54<lufeng>I want the screen not getting dark so that I can watch my movies without move the mouse or tip the keyboard after a while
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07:57<lufeng>It made me confused that I was searching the setting on Preferences/Screensaver before.
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07:58<KjetilK>the workaround worked :-)
07:58<KjetilK>now, figure out what is really going on...
07:58<cruncher>KjetilK, i think something with systemd. You could set loglevel to debug, and see what it says
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08:01<KjetilK>yup
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08:03<KjetilK>it stops also one time after all interfaces are up
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08:05<KjetilK>loglevel goes in journald.conf?
08:05<cruncher>system.conf
08:05<KjetilK>ok
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08:06<KjetilK>rebooting again
08:09<cruncher>Ghostbird, did you try removing the ~/.cache/fontconfig folder and logging out/in?
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08:13<KjetilK_>cruncher, must admit I can't make any more sense of this https://pastebin.com/MWsLLyQf
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08:16<d9867eb_>hello
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08:20<d9867eb_>I use Kde and Xorg. After I log in my to kde my panel does not appear and I cannot rightclick anything. However my wallpaper and some widgets is there.
08:20<d9867eb_>I am on Debian Unstable.
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08:30<lufeng>petn-randall: aha! caffeine is pretty good!
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08:38<cruncher>KjetilK_, you could also try with a standard dnsmasq config, just to see if its still restarted without your things inside
08:38<cruncher>just to narrow the problem a bit down
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08:41<KjetilK_>cruncher, yeah, I should try that
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08:46<Ghostbird>cruncher: Clearing .cache/fontconfig didn't change anything. I did not expect it too, since fc-cache does it too.
08:49<cruncher>Ghostbird, neither did i, but since your problem is strange, i would try different things. Did you already try logging in with another (maybe newly created) user?
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08:50<Ghostbird>Yeah, the problem is limited to my user configuration.
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08:52<cruncher>the thing is there isnt much about fonts in a users folder for cinnamon. Basically only the .cache/fontconfig folder.
08:53<Ghostbird>The weird thing is that fontconfig should only load ~/.config/fontconfig user files. And neither of the accounts has one of those. So it seems the problem is not fontconfig.
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09:12<babybee>Any clues why this error while trying to compile from source ?
09:12<babybee>Makefile:950: recipe for target 'astyle-check' failed
09:12<babybee>make: *** [astyle-check] Error 1
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09:15<itd>babybee: Context?
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09:19<babybee>user@debian:~/Cataclysm-DDA$ make CLANG=1 CCACHE=1 RELEASE=1 TILES=1 SOUND=1 LUA=1 USE_HOME_DIR=1
09:19<babybee>#define VERSION "31834b0"
09:19<babybee>astyle regressions found.
09:19<babybee>Formatted src/profession.h Formatted src/editmap.h Formatted src/messages.h Formatted src/bonuses.h Formatted src/damage.h Formatted src/weather_gen.h
09:19<babybee>Makefile:950: recipe for target 'astyle-check' failed
09:19<babybee>make: *** [astyle-check] Error 1
09:19<babybee>Trying to compile game from git source
09:19<babybee>accoring to instructions and after installing recommended libraries
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09:20<babybee>stretch 64amd
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09:20<babybee>gnome
09:21<babybee>according to this instructions - > https://www.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/522x19/looking_for_help_getting_cdda_to_run_on_linux/
09:23<babybee>What can I add is that I can compile it successfuly without RELEASE=1 option, but its debugging version
09:24<oicydwa>Got a super noob question. But should be pretty easy to answer and I'll be on my way. I need to load wireless firmware for my atherosclerosis card on the net install image (on my USB drive). Does it need to be on the boot media, or secondary device and is it looking for a specific path to find the firmware?
09:25<oicydwa>On my phone so autocorrect... Sorry. Atheros card*
09:25<petn-randall>oicydwa: I recommend using the firmware installer.
09:25<petn-randall>!firmware images
09:25<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>.
09:25<oicydwa>I am trying to install Debian with the net installed
09:26<oicydwa>Installer rather.
09:26<oicydwa>Oh. Gotcha Thank you. That should help tremendously petn-randall
09:26<itd>babybee: Open an issue on their github repo.
09:27<babybee>itd, ok
09:27<petn-randall>oicydwa: You're welcome!
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09:37<ESphynx>hi guys, so our package is marked for auto removal becasue upx-ucl is failing to build with GCC 7...
09:37<ESphynx>but shouldn't that get fixed?
09:38<ESphynx>why the sudden rush to the latest bleeding edge GCC version before stuff actually succeeds to build with it?
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09:42<petn-randall>ESphynx: There's no gcc7 in stretch. I'm assuming you mean testing/unstable?
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09:42<ESphynx>petn-randall: testing -- right
09:43<petn-randall>ESphynx: Which one is "our package"?
09:43<ESphynx>petn-randall: ecere-sdk
09:43<ESphynx>in fact it doesn't even really 'need' upx-ucl, it's only a 'build-recommends' thing
09:43<ESphynx>(though I don't think there's such a thing?)
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09:44<petn-randall>ESphynx: There's not much to worry about. Packages in testing get removed all the time during library transitions. When the RC bug is fixed, your package will migrate back into testing (assuming the RC bug doesn't get fixed by then).
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09:45<Naksu>upx-ucl looks like a real mess what with shipping its own 2006 copy of lzma development libraries
09:45<petn-randall>ESphynx: I think #debian-mentors is a better option to discuss this, or even #debian-devel, since this channel is mainly for end user support.
09:45<ESphynx>right
09:48<Garreat>can anyone here help me with this god damned preseed system?
09:48<Garreat>no matter what i do, the installer always applies 'default' recipe..
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09:49<petn-randall>!ask
09:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:19<vezult>Garreat: define "no matter what I do"
10:21<vezult>do you do: linux auto url=...?
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10:57<grummund>Is ~/.profile the correct place to put shell aliases, to work both in console and X ?
10:59<grawity>login-mode shells usually load ~/.*profile while non-login mode ones load ~/.*rc
10:59<grawity>so either one needs to source the other (conditionally), or both need to source a third custom file like ~/.bash_aliases
11:01<grummund>thanks for the pointer. i now see the stock setup is to use ~/.bash_aliases
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11:04<somiaj>grummund: man bash, and you will get info on what files it reads. I personally have [ -f ~/.bashrc ] && . ~/.bashrc in my ~/.bash_profile, so anything in .bashrc gets read by both login() and interactive shells. But I have a simple setup.
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11:05<grummund>somiaj: yep i have read the man page. question was more about The Debian Way and it seems without any effort that is ~/.bash_aliases
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11:08<mixma>this is the first time i try to use that tool
11:08<mixma>is anyone can reply there ?
11:09<duclicsic>mixma: what tool do you speak of?
11:09<grummund>no
11:09<mixma>hexchat
11:09<mixma>is it based IRC ?
11:09<duclicsic>you seem to have succeeded in using it
11:09<mixma>i never used this protocol before
11:09<duclicsic>it is an irc client
11:09<mixma>yea
11:09<mixma>so it's based like chat channel website right ?
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11:10<duclicsic>mixma: it's similar in use/purpose
11:10<grummund>like that, but a parallel universe.
11:10<petn-randall>mixma: It's real-time chat from the 80s.
11:10<mixma>ah ok thanks guys for your explaination
11:10<mixma>that pretty cool
11:10<mixma>does it's possible to create my own channel too ?
11:10<duclicsic>yes
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11:11<duclicsic>though this is really off-topic for this channel
11:11<duclicsic>there are plenty of resources on irc out on the web
11:11<jhutchins_wk>!fr
11:11<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
11:11<mixma>ah it's not debian information based ?
11:11<mixma>and which language to talk here in this channel ?
11:11<mixma>i am french
11:11<duclicsic>this is an english speaking channel
11:11<mixma>ok got it
11:11<mixma>i hope my english not suck here lol
11:12<itd>dpkg: tell mixma about chat
11:12<duclicsic>irc is a protocol, you can use it from any OS, it's not unique to debian
11:12<jhutchins_wk>mixma: Better than my French.
11:12<mixma>haha nice
11:12<mixma>i can also asking help of debian here ?
11:12<Sakarah>isn't there a typo in the dpkg !fr message ? Because the mostly used french channel is #debian-fr not #debianfr
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11:13<jhutchins_wk>mixma: This network is primarily Open Source software support channels. There are lots of other networks with lots of other topics.
11:13<grummund>mixma: you may try the channel #oftc on this network, or the channel #hexchat on freenode.net network
11:13<mixma>okay
11:13<grummund>mixma: only debian help here
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11:13<mixma>so this means you guys can use planty of other software instead of hexchat to use this channel right ?
11:13<itd>Sakarah: Possible, you should be able to change that (http://infobot.sourceforge.net/guide-0.43.x.html).
11:14<mixma>thanks
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11:15<mixma>is that also IRC protocol on eMule in chatting section i used before ?
11:15<grummund>mixma: irssi is popular client too, there are others.
11:16<grawity>yes, the eMule thing is the same IRC
11:16<mixma>ok i already tried before so its same technology. Nice.
11:17<mixma>so now im here in debian section i got a small question. Is anyone know how to modify the grub background ? I would like to put a Xiaomi background there
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11:19<annadane>mixma, https://wiki.debian.org/Grub2#Configure_graphical_splashimage may be helpful
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11:20<mixma>thanks
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11:50<andi->When are packages supposed to install their .so's into /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu vs /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu?
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11:56<vezult>grummund: that will work
11:56<vezult>for X, it will be read only once
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11:59<Sakarah>andi-: usually /usr/lib/* (see http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html)
12:00<Sakarah>Sorry I read the question too fast
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12:05<Sakarah>The FHS link will probably be clearer than me anyway
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12:10<andi->Sakarah: i'll read that, thanks..
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12:43<moein>Hi
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13:20<Megaf>Help? http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/raw/master/dpkg_mess
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13:26<annadane>well, beyond using wheezy...
13:26<annadane>!bat
13:26<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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13:27<Megaf>fixed
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13:28<annadane>how'd you fix it?
13:28<Megaf>mkdir /var/cache/debconf
13:28<Megaf>for some weird reason sometimes this directory just vanishes
13:29<Megaf>and then it causes the most weird problems
13:29<Megaf>apt could just say, "error: could not find /var/cache/debconf"
13:29<Megaf>it would make life easier
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13:31<Megaf>annadane, and make Stretch use as little RAM and disk space as Wheezy and I will upgrade to it
13:31<Megaf>;)
13:32<Megaf>I can have 10 Wheezy servers where I would be able to only run 3 or 4 Stretch servers
13:32<Megaf>in fact I have 8
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13:35<mdx0>Hi, bought a new external HDD, I like to check if it has survived the transport undamaged. somebody knows a tool and can tell me the name of the package?
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13:37<mc68040>mdx0: i use SMART tests for this (command smartctl in package smartmontools)
13:37<mdx0>thank you
13:39<mdx0>then, I can check if anything is all right with this hdd?
13:40<mdx0>okay, I can search a little about it.
13:41<mc68040>mdx0: read the part about "SMART RUN/ABORT OFFLINE TEST AND self-test OPTIONS" in smartctl man page
13:44<mc68040>mdx0: "smartctl" can give you al lot of other useful information too, like Power_On_Hours, Reallocated_Sector_Ct, ...
13:44<mdx0>thanks, very nice from you
13:44<annadane>Megaf, sorry. it was poor support on my part
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13:45<Megaf>Uh, that's alright annadane. You are not paid to give support, are you?
13:47<annadane>nope, but not an excuse
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13:51<cruncher>mdx0, a smart test wont help you at a damaged hd caused by transport, as the electronics wont be damaged (unless it fell down hard). What could be damaged are sectors, but those wont be recognized as such until you write to them, so the best way to know what you want is to format the disk.
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13:52<cruncher>(or read, of course)
13:52<mc68040>cruncher: man page say other: conveyance - [ATA only] runs a SMART Conveyance Self Test (minutes). This self-test routine is
13:52<mc68040> intended to identify damage incurred during transporting of the device. This self-test routine should
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13:53<cruncher>mc68040, i see, but i really cant imagine how. a sector must be read or written to to know if its bad
13:54<cruncher>or it was previoously r/w and is in the bad sector list
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13:55<cruncher>and i doubt that in minutes, like its written as the duration of that self test, the whole disk is read
13:55<mc68040>cruncher: true, smarctl only checks read, electical and mechanic... for r/w is "badblocks" better
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13:58<mc68040>cruncher: i think the "long" test reads at least all (it runs usually several hours here)
13:58<pamaury>hi, I'm curious about aptitude. I've seen slides of Debconf saying that apt-get is not recommended (just use
13:58<pamaury>apt)
13:59<pamaury>and I've heard people aptitude is not recommended because it's unsafe sometimes
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14:03<itd>dpkg: tell pamaury about why aptitude
14:03<itd>dpkg: tell pamaury about why not aptitude
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14:04<itd>pamaury: That are the reasons I'm aware of.
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14:05<pamaury>thanks :) I'm usually using aptitude (in unstable) but sometimes the solutions are very convoluted and I have to tweak them by hand and put packages on hold. aptitude safe-upgrade sounds interesting
14:06<annadane>i use aptitude because i'm not aware of an alternative for aptitude why foo
14:06<annadane>unless they changed that in sid
14:06<annadane>which, yeah, not the right channel for that
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15:29<mosasaur>I've got a 4TB external usb disk, it has partition 1 microsoft reserved, partition 2 NTFS
15:30<mosasaur>however it is "dirty"? Any way I want to reformat it, what is the best filesystem for such a disk
15:30<mosasaur>should I make 1 big partition?
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15:35<mosasaur>I don't care what's on the disk I already made a backup
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15:43<mosasaur>gparted says: The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used.
15:44<mosasaur>but I haven't even selected a drive
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15:45<itd>mosasaur: How do you plan to use that drive?
15:45<grove>mosasaur: There is no "best filesystem", it's subjective and it depends on what you need the disc for.
15:46<mosasaur>itd: I want to use it for backups
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15:46<mosasaur>I will access it not very often
15:47<mosasaur>safety comes first
15:48<grove>For my backup discs, I've gone conservative and chosen a well tested fs, and one that supports traditional UNIX semantics (i.e. not FAT)
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15:48<mosasaur>grove: can I just delete that microsoft reserved partition and make one big data partition
15:49<mosasaur>grove: ext3 or ext4
15:51<mosasaur>OK ext4 is from 2008, the wrinkles should be out of it by now
15:52<grove>I see no reason to preserve that ms partition. For backups ext3 will probably do fine, and it has been along for longer than ext4, so at the very least it has been tested for a longer period (without knowing more we can't say it's been tested more), but as you say ext4 isn't young any longer
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15:53<mosasaur>thanks. I will try 1 big ext4
15:53<cruncher>if you'll use only ext3/4, you dont need that MSR partition
15:54<mosasaur>thanks cruncher
15:54<cruncher>mosasaur, out of curiosity, how big is the partition for a 4TB?
15:54<cruncher>128MB?
15:54<mosasaur>cruncher yes 128MB
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16:04<mosasaur>OK done. That was quick :) The error is gone
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16:42<Guest3646>hello all
16:43<Guest3646>Im new here
16:43<Guest3646>what is this for?
16:43<annadane>Guest3646, this is a support channel for debian stable
16:44<Guest3646>cool, thanks
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16:48<sleser>hi clock changed by it self is that normal ?
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16:49<sleser>clock date changed
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16:55<sleser>clock on panel shows wrong but in system settings shows right
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17:01<piper>sleser: try as root dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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17:02<sleser>whats new york eastern or central ?
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17:04<piper>eastern
17:04<sleser>that place it wont let me sett time
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17:04<sleser>it shows 21 now is not 21
17:04<sleser>now is 17
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17:05<sleser>how do i fix the time
17:07<piper>5pm is equal to 1700 so the time is right you use gnome kde or what
17:08<sleser>how do i make the panel show the localtimeon the panel i think its showing niversal time
17:08<sleser>kde
17:08<sleser>it says utc 9 08
17:09<piper>right click on clock > digital clock settings > uncheck use 24 hour clock
17:09<piper>or did i misunderstand
17:10<sleser>i think u miss understand
17:10<sleser>terminal shown me universtal time 9 whitch panel is showing then terminal also shows local time whitch is 5
17:10<sleser>id like the panel showing me 5 not 9
17:10<sleser>panel showing universal time
17:11<sleser>says utc
17:11<sleser>not sure what hapend it changed by it self i just realised
17:11<adminewb>my new installation of stretch is having what appear to be wireless 802.11 driver/firmware issues after first booting; during install, I managed to put a proper firmware file (rt2870.bin for Ralink 148f:3070 USB device) into place to allow downloading of firefox and such like, but now it won't connect after loading firmware, or give adequately detailed info in log files as to what's the trouble; paste https://pastebin.com/fBb0Sz78 -- thoug
17:12<piper>sleser: right click on clock > adjust date & time > uncheck set date automatically and change manually
17:13<sleser>its uncheked
17:13<adminewb>incidentally, it's the same wireless USB adapter that I use without a hitch on other linux installations including an older debian version, jessie
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17:14<sleser>in configure date and time settings shows 5
17:14<piper>sleser: did you manually change it to correct ? if so log out/in
17:14<piper>sleser: it is 5:13 in new york, i live there
17:15<sleser>i didnt change anything
17:15<sleser>in the settings time shows correct but panel dosnt show the rite timing
17:15<piper>sleser: did you log out/in again after any changes
17:16<sleser>ill try now
17:16<sleser>brb
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17:16<adminewb>hopefully, my paste has not too much fluff and is not missing critical pieces to diagnose
17:16<blast007>adminewb: do you have the firmware-ralink package installed from non-free?
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17:17<sleser>didntwork
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17:17<blast007>I guess it does load the firmware file
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17:18<adminewb>blast007, I manually grabbed the relevant package from web hosts for install purposes, it didn't come without human intervention
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17:18<adminewb>blast007, also had to extract its contents on to a thumb drive
17:18<piper>sleser: i have no clue then, all is good here, i use kde, maybe try checking "set date automatically" and log out/in again
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17:19<sleser>it wont let me chek it
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17:19<sleser>option isnt highlit for chek it
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17:20<adminewb>blast007 don't recall offhand for sure, but I believe it was package name firmware-linux-nonfree, including lots of non essential stuff
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17:20<adminewb>37Mb worth
17:20<piper>sleser: hmm, i don't use sudo, i know it needs root for changes
17:21<sleser>how do i do it from terminal the automatic part
17:21<piper>sleser: you don't want to run gui apps as root
17:21<blast007>adminewb: there are also installer ISOs that have most firmware included (excludes some that they can't redistribute, like some of the broadcom stuff)
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17:22<blast007>!firmware images
17:22<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>.
17:22<blast007>not that it helps you now - but could save you some effort the next time
17:22<adminewb>blast007 thanks I prefer to begin with official images if possible
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17:23<blast007>it's the same thing really, just that one has extra (firmware) packages included
17:23<adminewb>I'm a little more confident that I can do integrity checks and protect myself, using the official downloads and repos
17:23<piper>sleser: i have to cook on grill for dinner, does this help you https://askubuntu.com/questions/783184/how-to-display-kde-lock-screen-time-in-24-hour-format
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17:23<blast007>it's still on the normal debian download site, probably made by the same people
17:23<adminewb>ofc
17:23<sleser>ill look at it
17:24<sleser>thanks piper
17:24<sleser>can i ask u quik quastion in pm ?
17:24<piper>sleser: no problem, if it don't, others are here to help
17:24<sleser>ok
17:24<piper>sleser: no, that helps no-one
17:24<sleser>can i ask u quik quastion non debian related in pm
17:24<sleser>sins ur in ny
17:25<piper>no, i am not setup for pm, and i don't have time at the moment, if here later maybe
17:25<sleser>np
17:26<adminewb>blast007, btw I have another USB wireless adapter I was trying to use to achieve the same thing; it's Broadcom 43235 based, so apparently its driver support on linux is not complete, so I went back to the other Ralink based device
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17:27<adminewb>I did look at the install guide and used it to my best ability
17:28<adminewb>have a look at the syslog I pasted?
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17:30<blast007>adminewb: it's not drivers, it's firmware
17:30<adminewb>ok
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17:31<adminewb>am I mistaken, or as a principle is a given version of a kernel driver needing a specific version of the device firmware to talk to?
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17:33<adminewb>that's my dim understanding of why firmware and drivers are interdependent as packages
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17:37<Walex>adminewb: not really
17:38<b17>adminewb: i have a rt2870 device, it doesn't like the rand mac feature in nm. try this link https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=842422
17:38<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/842422 in network-manager (open): «network-manager: NetworkManager fails to authenticate with old 802.11bg USB devices»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-10-28; last modified: 2017-07-04.
17:39<adminewb>b17 yes I had suspicion this trouble's particular to my device
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17:43<b17>adminewb: it works fine, it's a new feature of nm, or the persistent names like wlx32389755 nobody seems to know which
17:44<adminewb>the bug record for 842422 looks as if there are work arounds until they fix it
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17:45<adminewb>adding "net.ifnames=0" to kernel start or some other text to /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
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17:46<adminewb>so what works fine for you? kernel switch?
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17:47<adminewb>b17 "it works fine" please elaborate?
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17:48<b17>i gave up on nm, but using either should fix it for you. I just use wpa_cli nowadays.
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17:49<adminewb>b17, thanks for the customized help
17:50<b17>np, if you want, you can followup the bug and share what you find out
17:50<adminewb>b17 if I get anywhere, I should have morale enough left to report back
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17:51<b17>you'll get it it's just a one time thing to figure out your hardware, good luck
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18:03<himmelstrutz_>hello. I can't start libreoffice in debian stable. everything is up to date. tried it from scratch with a different user: same same. does any else got the same problem? it just wont start... it gives up half way.
18:04<himmelstrutz_>any one else
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18:04<sney>himmelstrutz_: try deleting/moving ~/.config/libreoffice and then try to start an office application again
18:05<himmelstrutz_>sney: already tried that, didnt work. libreoffice calc/math works,,, its only "libreoffice writer" that doesnt work
18:06<himmelstrutz_>:(
18:06<Nemoder>if you run it from a terminal are there errors printed?
18:06<sney>my kingdom for a user that hasn't "already tried" the things people suggest
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18:08<himmelstrutz_>Nemoder, I run libreoffice --writer; but it doesnt say anything, and nothing starts... there is no --verbose variable is it?
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18:09<himmelstrutz_>sney: what? didnt get that
18:10<annadane>i think sney is suggesting you try it again
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18:10<himmelstrutz_>i first googled it,, your suggestion was the first thing that came up...
18:10<himmelstrutz_>already done it,,,
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18:11<Nemoder>is there a stalled process for it already running?
18:12<sney>no, you changed the problem description after I tried to help you. if you ask for help, include the details or you risk wasting people's time
18:13<himmelstrutz_>sney: "tried it from scratch with a different user" <-- thats from scratch, ey? s-c-r-a-t-c-h.
18:14<sney>you also said it couldn't start, and then changed it to say only writer had a problem
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18:14<annadane>the other issue with "tried it, didn't work" is it's vague
18:14<himmelstrutz_>my god.
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18:18<Nemoder>another satisified customer
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18:19<coruja>no error message, no support ;)
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19:39<xorrox>Had Debian 9 on a SSD in a laptop using Intel graphics. Worked perfect. Since I need to compile about 10k pkg (yeah really) for work I have dropped that ssd into a quad xeon workstation that has a Nvidia GPU in it. I see GRUB then just a black screen and a cursor.
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19:41<xorrox>I know this have something to do with that retarded Nvidia GPU. Not sure how to approach this issue.
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19:43<xorrox>The GPU seems to be a Nvidia GTX 960. Xeon cpus do not have built in graphics. At least not the these.
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19:46<annadane>xorrox, you can try, in a virtual terminal, dmesg | grep firmware
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19:47<xorrox>annadane, kk be right back. Have to switch computers
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19:59<annadane>it's possible it's also a changed architecture but let's see...
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20:02<xorrox>annadane, can't get anything more then grub cmd but a recovery boot seems to show that the system is trying to load nouveru and getting stuck.
20:03<annadane>hm
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20:03<xorrox>annadane, this is the reason I have avoided anything from that crappy company...
20:04<annadane>xorrox, where does it get stuck? can you not get past grub?
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20:05<xorrox>annadane, just when x should kick in after grub the screen goes black with a cursor.
20:06<xorrox>annadane, if I put the ssd back in my laptop with its Intel everything (and graphics) it works perfect.
20:06<annadane>right
20:06<annadane>well, i'm not entirely sure what the issue is, perhaps someone else can chime in
20:07<xorrox>Does Nvidia even work on Debian?
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20:07<annadane>it should; i had to install the proprietary driver when plasma kept crashing
20:07<annadane>i guess you can try that
20:08<annadane>add non-free to sources list and apt install nvidia-driver
20:08<annadane>unless someone has a better idea
20:10<annadane>xorrox, but can you not get to a terminal in recovery mode?
20:10<oicydwa>Okay. So I got Debian installed from the net installer disk. And I'm in a live environment (sans the gui) but I can't get it to reconnect to the wifi now. Dmesg shoes part of the firmware isn't loading. Ath10k firmware. Ideas? More specifically saying can't load failed to load ath10K/pre-cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin
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20:11<oicydwa>I gt it installed over wifi BTW. So I had it working.
20:11<xorrox>annadane, in recovery mode you can see the system booting up. All looks good until the GPU stuff goes by. Then it stops there and dies. So I don't get that far.
20:11<annadane>oicydwa, try adding non-free to your sources list and install firmware-atheros
20:12<oicydwa>It says firmware
20:12<oicydwa>Firmware-atheros is already installed
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20:13<b17>xorrox: the reason you can't just swap an installed system drive like that is probably because initrd has the wrong hardware in it. The last time I swapped a drive, I had to bind mount boot, proc, and sys, chroot from a 'live' system and update-initramfs
20:13<annadane>ah
20:14<ach><.<
20:14<oicydwa>annadane: I used the non-free install disk. And added the atheros firmware.deb to the image before installing. Everything worked fine for the install, just not loading after reboot into live environment
20:15<oicydwa>It says it's trying for dhcp, but it didn't even attempt to connect to the wireless. And dmesg at that point says device not ready. So it sounds like part of the firmware isn't loading or something.
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20:18<blurr>What is the correct way to update debian 8 to sid? I changed sources.list to sid but dist-upgrade wants to remove needed packages
20:18<xorrox>b17 cant I just do something like update-initramfs -v -u -i `uname -r` ?
20:18<blurr>should I first upgrade to debian stable first?
20:19<b17>xorrox: yeh you can if you can boot it, but you can't as far as i know. Maybe try some old switches like video=vesa or video=inteldrmfb:off but i doubt it will work
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20:19<xorrox>b17 hmm yeah if I can get into grub I can maybe pass that in the kernel cmd there?
20:20<xorrox>b17 is that a valid kernel cmd that can be passed in grub?
20:20<b17>probably more hardware mismatch than just graphics
20:20<xorrox>This system I am doing this on is a quad Xeon E5-2630 v3 with a total of 32 real cores. Granted I want to compile the 10k of pkg on that system over my 7 year old laptop.
20:20<xorrox>then some retard puts a nvidia gaming card in there...
20:21<b17>xorrox: reinstall is trivial, why not just reinstall?
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20:21<xorrox>xorrox, I set up a really nice pbulider env with a bunch of hooks
20:22<Guest3668>http://www.cineaqui.com/category/estrenos
20:22<b17>the do the chroot thing, it's not that bad look it up
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20:23<xorrox>b17, yeah I know how to do it. Guess that is the next step.
20:25<xorrox>Thinking about when Linus said "F U Nvidia". No idea why....
20:25<xorrox>b17 anyway thx!
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20:26<b17>L8r good luck
20:26<annadane>proper hardware is seriously linux's biggest issue and it's not even its fault
20:27<annadane>but no they won't open source it because it runs into legal problems and trade secrets and blah blah blah blah rant i'll take it to offtopic
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20:31<Randolph>hola
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20:32<annadane>!es
20:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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21:02<Noxarivis[m]>is this the official Debian IRC?
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21:03<sney>Noxarivis[m]: yes
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21:05<Noxarivis[m]>great
21:06<Noxarivis[m]>i am a big debian fan since childhood and I never visited here
21:07<blurr>welcome Noxarivis[m] :)
21:07<blurr>Noxarivis[m], there is also #debian-offtopic for general chatting
21:07<Noxarivis[m]>thanks ^^
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22:17<PawnPolo>moin
22:17<blurr>morning
22:17<Noxarivis[m]>moin (norddeutscher?)
22:18<PawnPolo>Nay American
22:18<Noxarivis[m]>oh
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22:18<Noxarivis[m]>moin is common there
22:19<PawnPolo>Indeed! Also good evening to you blurr
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22:21<blurr>danke :)
22:23<PawnPolo>So I'm new to the server and wondering what is Debian Stretch?
22:23<PawnPolo>It's the topic so I'm just inquiring
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22:24<amdgoon>It is the latest stable release of debian
22:24<PawnPolo>So each channel is specifically about dev of each kernel of each distro?
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22:26<amdgoon>depends on channel, but some are general, some are specific
22:27<PawnPolo>Got'cha thanks, not trolling, just finding my way around.
22:29<PawnPolo>Hmmm, actually maybe someone can point me in the right direction, I came here in search of the Kernel Newbies channel but not finding it.
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22:30<PawnPolo>Anybody know if it has moved?
22:31<jmcnaught>PawnPolo: I just joined it to test, so it's still there. Did you try typing '/join #kernelnewbies' into your IRC client?
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22:32<PawnPolo>welp
22:32<jmcnaught>PawnPolo: looks like you found it ☺ Welcome to IRC.
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23:10<adminewb>hi all
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23:16<dvs>zzzz
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23:21<adminewb>reporting back here from an earlier today help request, b17 helped with a reference to bug #842422
23:21<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/842422 in network-manager (open): «network-manager: NetworkManager fails to authenticate with old 802.11bg USB devices»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-10-28; last modified: 2017-07-04.
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23:22<adminewb>in that bug record, someone recommends a work around by modifying /etc/default/grub, to contain a line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0"
23:23<somiaj>and? Did that not work?
23:23<adminewb>now after doing update_grub, my kernel no longer calls my wireless device "wlx" followed by MAC address digits, it goes back to being called "wlan0", and now it can authenticate like it did
23:24<adminewb>not so trivial victory :D thanks all for contributions
23:24<somiaj>ahh nice, so some how the usb devices don't like the new persistant inteface naming of systemd?
23:25<adminewb>right
23:25<adminewb>no one seems to understand the trouble with the interface naming in any depth
23:26<somiaj>most likely it is just some component that has wlanX hardocded
23:27<somiaj>anyways,l glad you found the bug report that lead you to a functioning system
23:27<adminewb>suppose so, but who's got time to correct that and test every side effect
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23:28<dvs>adminewb, you're not going to have a choice with buster
23:28<adminewb>is that the new testing?
23:28<dvs>yes
23:28<adminewb>i'll worry about that bridge when i have to cross it then
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23:42<adminewb>to keep packages updated in jessie I relied on aptitude since it didn't require one to have a working graphical desktop; since stretch doesn't offer aptitude any more, what's a good replacement?
23:45<adminewb>never mind, my confusion
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23:50<somiaj>adminewb: aptitidue is in stretch.
23:50<somiaj>I find apt a bit faster, but I don't use the curses gui
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