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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-08-31

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03:02<faisal>please send me link where real haking tutorials available
03:04<arturo>faisal: http://bit.ly/19BiSHW
03:04<arturo>:-) just kidding, not sure what you mean
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03:08<faisal>ARTURO WHAT IS THIS
03:08<faisal>IS IT A DSOMEKIND OF JOK
03:08<faisal>AM AI JOOKER
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03:11<cruncher>faisal, this is a debian support channel. Use google to search for what you are looking for
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03:14<faisal>so please tell me how type of questions i ask like?
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03:21<lordievader>falstro: Anything debian support related can be asked here.
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03:22<towo^work>wasted time, this guy is comming day by day for asking such useless questions about hacking
03:22<towo^work>it's only a troll
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03:26<faisal>debian can be tracked
03:26<faisal>i know how
03:26<faisal>you all are useless
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04:01<zaki>I have a question,I use openvpn , 'ping www.google.com' ip is 243.185.187.39
04:01<zaki>but I in service ping www.google.com ip is 216.58.219.4
04:01<zaki>why ?
04:03<zaki>Because www.google.com analysis to 243.185.187.39
04:03<zaki>So I can't access Google
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04:04<danielh1234>zaki: They respond with different IPs to distribute the load, probably also based on where your own IP is from. For me it is 172.217.17.228 at the moment. Your problem probably lies somewhere else.
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04:07<grove>zaki: Be gald that you have a reason to start using one of the less privacy intruding alternatives
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04:12<bhs-janka>HI
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06:55<birdperson>Is there a way to install all fonts that comes with debian?
06:55<birdperson>Or at least take a look at them\
06:55<birdperson>its hard to tell which font you want without looking at them beforehand
06:55<birdperson>and you cant look at them without installing them :S
06:56<likcoras>birdperson: *all* fonts is a bit too much for any system.
06:56<birdperson>likcoras, okay, what about all latin fonts
06:56<birdperson>i dont need russian or japanese fonts
06:56<likcoras>There was a website that had renderings of various fonts. It's unmaintained, but let me pull it up.
06:57<birdperson>I tried to install everything from fonts section, but it tries to pull up things like apache2 and a thousand things, probably because this arent just fonts
06:57<birdperson>the package name doesnt help either :S
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06:58<likcoras>https://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org/review/
06:59<likcoras>there are a few here.
06:59<cruncher>birdperson, another option, in synaptic, i.e., you search for "ttf", then you can clik on "Get screenshot", and you can see (most of) them like that
06:59<cruncher>not all may have one though
06:59<birdperson>I have a good computer... if i can handle tex dependence that something pulls up for some reason and i dont use at all, it should be able to handle a few hundred fonts :)
06:59<petn-randall>birdperson: Do you reall want to look through 1000+ fonts by hand? I'd narrow it down before hand, and just have a look at 5 candidates.
07:00<birdperson>petn-randall, 1000+ fonts arent that many to look at if you have a preview, and most programs have a preview of the fonts
07:00<birdperson>petn-randall, thing is, i cant know what i want beforehand
07:00<likcoras>Just curious, why do you need all the fonts?
07:01<birdperson>Just to pick up a font i like
07:01<cruncher>he doesnt need them, he just wants to scroll trough them
07:01<likcoras>Huh.
07:01<birdperson>right
07:01<birdperson>Once im a font expert, i wont need them all
07:01<cruncher>...to see which one he wants
07:01<likcoras>I guess look over the font review, although unmaintained, seems useful for your needs.
07:02<cruncher>i agree, it would be nice to see all of them one pic beside another, so you can quite fast see which one you like
07:02<cruncher>the page from likcoras comes close
07:02<birdperson>well, i have to click on them :S
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07:03<birdperson>Mmm, not sure how maintained is that list, or if its manual
07:03<cruncher>yeah, thats the only disvantage, and probably its not "complete" as its 2016, and probably doesnt cover "ALL" fonts either (which would be a tremendous work anyway)
07:03<birdperson>but i can install those packages listed on that page
07:04<cruncher>birdperson, i woulndt install all of them, yous aid you dont need japanese, etc
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07:05<birdperson>yeah, overkill, but my computer can probably handle it
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07:06<birdperson>Mmm, debtags doesnt tag fonts either :S
07:07<birdperson>At least a random one fonts-mononoki
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07:08<birdperson>A metapackage would be useful too :S
07:09<birdperson>or a task... There used to be more tasks... now theres only a handful
07:09<birdperson>I guess it went unmaintained
07:10<likcoras>https://packages.debian.org/stable/fonts/ ?
07:10<birdperson>install all latin fonts doesnt seem so farfetched
07:10<likcoras>It lists mononoki
07:10<birdperson>yeah, thats fonts section
07:10<birdperson>but it includes everything font related
07:10<cruncher>yes, but in that section you get also editors, viewers, etc
07:10<birdperson>programs, and even tries to pull things like apache2
07:10<birdperson>for some reason
07:10<likcoras>Ah, right.
07:15<birdperson>https://fonts.google.com/
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07:15<birdperson>ops
07:15<birdperson>for some reason i thought it was fonts.ubuntu.com
07:15<likcoras>The color scheme, maybe, :P
07:17<birdperson>that and that the link came from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts
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07:17<birdperson>Well, I think I gave up looking in the archive :S
07:18<birdperson>Ill use the google link and copying the font into .fonts
07:18<likcoras>But are there fonts that are not named ^(x?fonts|ttf|otf)- ?
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07:19<birdperson>thats a great regex, but there are a few non font packages that start with ttf
07:19<birdperson>i tried to find a pattern, but theres none
07:19<likcoras>this regex matches ttf though.
07:19<birdperson>debtags should deal with that, but there arent :S
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07:20<likcoras>"For most uses, you’ll want TrueType (TTF) and OpenType (OTF) fonts – these packages start with fonts-, ttf- or otf-. "
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07:21<birdperson>otf-trace
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07:21<likcoras>regex matches otf as well
07:21<Sebastian>Hi, I'm trying to figure out why my system is relatively slow to boot, and I am hoping that this might be the right place or that you could point me into the right direction.
07:21<birdperson>there arent any pattern that doesnt involve installing all kind of non wanted packages :S
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07:21<likcoras>The ones not included here are bitmap fonts, which aren't used often afaik.
07:22<Sebastian>I have used systemd-analyze blame to see that networking.service takes 22 seconds to start, which seems excessive. Any ideas what might be causing it?
07:22<likcoras>those are the xfonts-*
07:22<likcoras>Sebastian: anything in the logs? how is your networking set up.?
07:22<Sebastian>which logs might be relevant? Just dmesg?
07:23<likcoras>sure, around where it says something like "Starting Raise network interfaces..."
07:24<Sebastian>pasting
07:24<likcoras>Sebastian: not here. to paste.debian.org or something.
07:24<likcoras>then link.
07:24<Sebastian>of course
07:24<likcoras>ok, just making sure ;)
07:24<birdperson>random idea: slow dhcp server? sudo dhclient <interface> and look how long it takes
07:25<likcoras>birdperson: this is just my curiosity, but can you mark the fonts for installation and tell me why it thinks apache should be installed?
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07:25<Sebastian>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f70a8f87/
07:26<Sebastian>I also included my /etc/network/interfaces
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07:27<birdperson>likcoras, I used synaptic to easily select all packages from a section
07:28<birdperson>open it, select section, select all packages, wait 30 secs for synactic to respond again and watch new dependencies being pulled
07:29<likcoras>huh.
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07:29<Sebastian>birdperson: hm, interesting. Now I don't know why I have any dhcp in my interfaces file at all, since everything should be static
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07:32<birdperson>I dont really know where you configure interfaces with systemd but it used to be on /etc/network/interfaces
07:32<Sebastian>It's the only place where I put any config
07:33<birdperson>Look where systemd configure interfaces now, maybe its change
07:33<birdperson>I havent had to touch that stuff in a while
07:34<Sebastian>/etc/systemd/network, but I'm not using it at all (it's completely empty)
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07:34<Sebastian>/etc/systemd/network/ even
07:34<birdperson>Sorry i cant be of more help, try maybe in #debian-systemd
07:34<birdperson>or #systemd on freenode
07:35<Sebastian>no problem, thank you for the pointers
07:35<Sebastian>will remove all mention of dhcp in my config file and then try again
07:35<Sebastian>:)
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07:37<likcoras>Eh, debian stoll uses e/n/i
07:37<likcoras>still*
07:37<likcoras>In fact, I didn't have to touch networkd at all for my machine.
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07:40<Sebastian>likcoras: that's what I thought
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07:41<Sebastian>dhcp wasn't the problem
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07:50<piper>Sebastian apt policy systemd-cron apt purge systemd-cron if that doesn't help you can always reinstall it, or if it does help use cron
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07:51<Sebastian> Installed: (none)
07:51<Sebastian>(already using cron0
07:51<Sebastian>)
07:52<piper>hmm, ok, i knew that was a problem, was checking ;)
07:52<mais>hello, I am searching for the debian 9 live standard edition but without luck, can anyone give a hand pls?
07:52<Sebastian>It would be a weird interaction for cron to affect the networking startup time though, imo
07:53<rjsalts>Sebastian: which init system are we talking?
07:53<piper>mais https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
07:53<Sebastian>rjsalts: I'm using systemd
07:53<piper>mais 2 different links
07:53<mais>piper: thanks but there is no standard edition without a DE
07:54<piper>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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07:54<piper>that is not live
07:54<mais>yup
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07:54<rjsalts>Sebastian: yeah, I would expect that it would effect startup time less with systemd
07:54<towo^work>there is no live-medium without DE
07:55<piper>mais can't help with that and no such thing
07:55<Sebastian>rjsalts: My question is related to the networking startup time, since that seems to dominate boot times (according to dmesg and systemd-analyze blame at least )
07:56<Sebastian>rjsalts: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/81fac060
07:56<mais>towo^work: there was for debian 8
07:56<mais>anyway thanks for your time guys
07:56<piper>mais, debian 8 is not debian 9 ;)
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08:05<rjsalts>Sebastian: that's the kernel output, what's going on in userspace for 22 seconds?
08:08<b17>waiting for ifup, because networking.service runs it as 'oneshot'
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08:09<Sebastian>rjsalts: I don't know how to answer that question, is there some way to know?
08:09<Noxarivis[m]>me using debian9.1 on some random old pc lol
08:10<rjsalts>Sebastian: does journalctl show anything?
08:11<Sebastian>interesting, maybe
08:11<Sebastian>preparing another paste
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08:18<Sebastian>rjsalts: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b63832d7/
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08:21<rjsalts>do you ever get an ip on br0?
08:21<Sebastian>yes
08:22<rjsalts>hrm, this stuff with dhclient[1097] is suspicious
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08:24<rjsalts>but it still doesn't look like 20 seconds, I only see 10
08:24<Sebastian>this is from a different startup
08:24<Sebastian>the times aren't always exactly the same
08:24<Sebastian>this time the networking.service took 15 seconds
08:24<Sebastian>I didn't have the journal from the previous startup
08:25<rjsalts>ah, okay. It does look like it's trying to get a dhcp lease on br0 before something is happening
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08:25<Sebastian>the only change to my dhclient.conf is that I enabled this option
08:25<Sebastian>7] is suspicious
08:25<Sebastian>grr fail paste
08:25<Sebastian>prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
08:26<rjsalts>that seems harmless
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08:26<Sebastian>indeed
08:27<rjsalts>I don't think it's the dhclient.conf anyhow
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08:27<rjsalts>maybe it's trying to bring up br0 before eth0.1 and failing?
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08:29<rjsalts>like the 39:39 khon kernel: r8169 0000:04:00.0 eth0: link up is after that dhclient stuff
08:29<Sebastian>though the wait only starts after br0 is up
08:29<Sebastian>the 10 seconds delay
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08:30<rjsalts>could be DAD
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08:30<rjsalts>duplicate address detection for ipv6
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08:33<Sebastian>would that give no logging at all?
08:35<rjsalts>not sure, I think it's done in the kernel https://www.agwa.name/blog/post/beware_the_ipv6_dad_race_condition
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08:40<Sebastian>I'm not sure if this is a problem in userspace
08:40<Sebastian>because of the kernel message that gets emitted
08:41<Sebastian>the "bridge firewalling registered"
08:42<Sebastian>I was made aware in another channel that this message is emitted after the bridge firewalling module acquired a mutex
08:42<Sebastian>so potentially the kernel is blocking for a while, on whatever it might be blocking on :/
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09:17<Sebastian>oh wow, surprising
09:17<Sebastian>I disabled the bridge and I'm seeing the same behaviour
09:18<mnuhmnuh>in the systemd-analyze manpage it mentions the prog. "dot"; what else is there that can do what dot does, as i can't find dot (apt search)?
09:19<Sebastian>rjsalts: the dhclient message is gone now without a bridge.
09:19<Gabriel_7>mnuhmnuh: apt install graphviz
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09:27<rjsalts>Sebastian: but didn't help with the network startup?
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09:29<Sebastian>nope :(
09:29<Sebastian>curiously, it also takes a while to take the network devices down
09:29*mnuhmnuh passes Gabriel_7 a salute and a smile.
09:30<Sebastian>so shutdown is slow as well
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09:38<tyng>why
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10:00<mnuhmnuh>systemd-analyze verify on my mostly stock stretch produces nil. expected?
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10:12<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: If you read the man page, it'll tell you when it outputs something.
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10:14<mnuhmnuh>petn-randall: have been, but i've already missed its mention of graphiz (for dot), drat. i'm a noob wrt systemd.
10:15<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: It'll only output anything when there are errors with unit files. Since Debian is a good citizen and only ships error-free unit files in stable, you get no output. :)
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10:19<mnuhmnuh>petn-randall: ty. wanted to verify "[FILES...]" was optional, and it defaulted to $everything/$showall ... :-)
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10:20<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: You can always temporarily add a broken unit file to /etc/systemd/system/ and see if the output changes.
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10:26<mnuhmnuh>petn-randall: my real goal is to figure out whether i can/should get systemd to handle /dev/xconsole related stuff. works from user perspective, but trying for "correct", in my situation.
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10:31<Noxarivis[m]>I am using Debian since im 8 years old, now im 18.
10:31<Noxarivis[m]>thanks for creating this wonderful project
10:31<petn-randall>Noxarivis[m]: Glad you're enjoying it! Have you considered working on Debian yourself?
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10:33<Noxarivis[m]>of course, but I lack of fast internet connection and my programming skills are not that nice
10:34<Noxarivis[m]>the thing I do is printing Tshirts, offering free support and installing in my area
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10:34<Noxarivis[m]>like repairing old pc and make them work again, killing off windows
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10:35<itd>Noxarivis[m]: Awesome. Should you look for more ways to help you can /join #debian-welcome or visit https://wiki.debian.org/Welcome :)
10:35<Noxarivis[m]>I ask for donations sometimes and this goes to the debian paypal
10:35<Noxarivis[m]>itd: thanks
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10:38<petn-randall>Noxarivis[m]: No programming skills needed! There are many ways to help the project, you already mentioned some :)
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10:40<Noxarivis[m]>petn-randall: but I love programming
10:40<Noxarivis[m]>I actually want to become a package maintainer too
10:40<Tuor>Hi, isn't sflphone available for stretch?
10:41<petn-randall>,v sflphone
10:41<judd>No package named 'sflphone' was found in amd64.
10:41<itd>Tuor: No. I think upstream decided to stop working on it.
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10:41<itd>Tuor: ring.cx is the new thing they are working on, IIRC.
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10:42<petn-randall>Tuor: The rationale is that it's unmaintained, and replaced by ring. See https://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sflphone/news/20160309T043706Z.html
10:42<itd>judd: info ring
10:42<judd>Package ring (comm, extra) in stretch/amd64: Secure and distributed voice, video and chat platform - desktop client. Version: 20161221.2.7bd7d91~dfsg1-1; Size: 1183.5k; Installed: 5322k; Homepage: https://ring.cx; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/ring
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10:47<Tuor>Can I use any SIP-server with ring?
10:48<Tuor>We have a SIP-server with SIP-phones (hardware phones) using it. I would like to use my computer to make calls...
10:48<itd>Tuor: Yes: https://ring.cx/en/documentation/faq#node-65
10:48<Tuor>Thx for all the answers@
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10:52<Tuor>itd, thx.
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10:53<itd>Tuor: No problem. :)
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10:55<tda>I have a command in root's cron tab that doesn't run. works from the shell, but there is no email for root. Why does it fail?
10:56<grawity>do you actually have a mail service installed?
10:56<grawity>and/or, does cron's syslog/journal mention the failure in any way?
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10:56<tda>yes, other users get the email report for their jobs
10:58<mnuhmnuh>re systemd & xconsole: http://paste.debian.net/983881/
10:58<mnuhmnuh>systemd & xconsole: http://paste.debian.net/983881/
10:58<mnuhmnuh>sry 4 rep.
10:59<petn-randall>tda: 99% of the cases it's because cron by default has *NO* environment variables set at runtime. This includes $PATH.
10:59<itd>tda: How can you tell that the comment "doesn't run"?
10:59<itd>s/comment/command/
11:00<tda>the command is `/sbin/rsnapshot daily` if it ran, I should get a new backup. I don't, so it obviously didn't run
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11:02<itd>tda: /sbin? The binary from rsnapshot is in /usr/bin
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11:04<vicenzo>um rico keso kon mierda jaaj
11:05<vicenzo>hole vicenzo trcecy ygf
11:05<tda>itd: or what ever the path which told me, let me double check
11:05<vicenzo>paSA el paack
11:05<itd>dpkg: es
11:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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11:05<petn-randall>vicenzo: Do you have a Debian support question?
11:06<vicenzo>no motherfuker
11:06<vicenzo>tjs\
11:06<vicenzo>chao maricas
11:06<petn-randall>vicenzo: Then please be quiet and refrain from insulting other people in this channel.
11:07<vicenzo>ja you are a fucking motherfucker
11:07<petn-randall>!ops vicenzo is trolling
11:07<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: vicenzo is trolling
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11:08<petn-randall>babilen: thanks
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11:10<tda>crap crontab -r wtf does that not ask to confirm :(
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11:22<blast007>tda: and no backups that cover the /var/spool/cron/crontabs directory?
11:23<tda>blast007: lol no. at least it was just the one line this time. backups will cover that directory now.
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11:27<mc68040>tda: SCNR linux != windows - more useful: maybe you can reconstruct cron entry from logfiles (/var/log/syslog, ...)
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12:07<will>Hi, How configure console login windows server of KRDC?
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12:31<VoidViper>Yo guys! I just downloaded vsftpd on my debian box but I cant seem to make it so that I have write access in my /home folder. I've uncommented WRTIE_ENABLE=YES but I still cannot write to my /home folder. No other changes have been made to the vsftpd.conf file. Any ideas ? Thanks :)
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12:32<VoidViper>Actually, I can upload/read but cannot delete files *
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12:34<petn-randall>VoidViper: Just don't use ftp, use sftp instead.
12:34<petn-randall>!ftp must die
12:34<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html . The Debian project will cease offering mirrors via FTP on 2017-11-01 https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425
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12:35<VoidViper>petn-randall: Why does vsftpd come with debian as the default ftp server when installing the os if it's so troublesome :/
12:36<blast007>FTP itself is troublesome
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12:37<petn-randall>VoidViper: What makes you think it comes by default?
12:37<blast007>I do not think an FTP server should be getting installed unless you tell it to
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12:37<petn-randall>VoidViper: It's shipped for people who must use FTP and don't have any other option. Just because it's shipped with Debian doesn't mean it should be used for your use case.
12:38<VoidViper>petn-randall: Because when I installed the os in the menu I selected an ftp server. That's what the installer gave me
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12:38<VoidViper>petn-randall: I see.
12:38<petn-randall>VoidViper: Yeah, the "mistake" is that you selected "ftp server". ;)
12:38<VoidViper>petn-randall: It's for home use. Nothing special
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12:38<blast007>SFTP works better
12:39<petn-randall>VoidViper: I understand. But sftp just works out of the box if you install openssh-server, and doesn't require any setup beyond creating the user.
12:39<VoidViper>petn-randall: I guess I'm off to uninstalling it and using sftp
12:39<VoidViper>blast007: thanks for the recommendation
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12:41<petn-randall>VoidViper: If you're curious, read the article dpkg linked to. There's virtually no scenario where ftp shines. It's been superceded in every area by other protocols.
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12:43<VoidViper>pent-randall: Gonna give it a read :)
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12:47<petn-randall>VoidViper: petn<tab>
12:47<VoidViper>petn-randall, aaah
12:48<VoidViper>petn-randall, good to know. :D
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12:53<mnuhmnuh>petn-randall: pe<tab> & verify & correct if nec. 3 chars+<CR>
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12:55<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: I say "petn<tab>" because too many times peter1138 got highlighted. :D (luckily they're offline)
12:56<mnuhmnuh>petn-randall: proofreading is a lost, and on irc unnecessary, art.
12:58<b17>is modprobe -r on a pci net device about the same as unplugging a usb device?
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13:02<mnuhmnuh>b17: network manager handles everything system detects here but lo
13:03<mnuhmnuh>b17: dhcp --> cable router --> isp
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13:04<b17>mnuhmnuh: i want the pci net card undetected on boot up, then activated with hotkey
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13:05<b17>like plugging in a usb
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13:07<mnuhmnuh>b17: different strokes; i wouldn't want that. i'd prefer manually initiated, then auto-enabled. paranoia perhaps.
13:08<mnuhmnuh>b17: sry, that's wrong. you're doing the same thing, just differently.
13:09<b17>mnuhmnuh: yeh that's what i'd like, manually initiated
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13:10<mnuhmnuh>b17: so, click open net-man applet, enable wifi & go
13:11<mnuhmnuh>b17: mouse ver. of hotkey?
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13:14<b17>mnuhmnuh: hotkey should work in console and outside of x
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13:31<mnuhmnuh>b17: my pavilion had a wifi enable key on keyboard. get wifi working auto, then kb key disable/enable when ready.
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13:33<b17>mnuhmnuh: yeh, this should default to disable, and work to enable before x, but all the links i find on rfkill are about the opposite
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13:34<b17>that's why i was thinkin modprobe instead
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14:43<adminewb>with the new install of stretch, I'm getting accustomed to the way recovery mode boots; in jessie it didn't care about root account being locked, it started a root shell anyway, now it pauses before continuing to multiuser start, to let you read how it won't start a shell and refers to sulogin man page
14:44<adminewb>is there a way to have init let a root shell start anyway?
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14:47<adminewb>sulogin has a -e switch to skip prompting for root password, but where would init invoke it?
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14:56<mc68040>adminewb: maybe to boot with "systemd.unit=rescue.target" is what you look for?
14:58<mc68040>adminewb: and with boot parameter "init=/bin/bash" you can get a shell immediately after initrd finished (only rootfs "/" mounted read only)
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15:07*mc68040 just tested systemd.unit=rescue.target - it wants password
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15:15<h670>what?
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15:16<h670>all is work?
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15:31<mnuhmnuh>mc68040: yeah, and that's bad, how?
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16:18<jcdubacq>hello. I am looking for help regarding the disabling of the gnome-keyring ssh-agent component
16:18<jcdubacq>I really want to keep gnome-keyring for my passwords but just for that: I'd rather have a ssh-agent of my choice.
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17:22<volitank>hello, is anyone here proficent with mdadm? I have a very strange scenario.
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17:22<volitank>after reboot I tried to assemble the raid, which wouldn't work. It was saying it's not an md device
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17:23<volitank>I eventually gave up and went to recreate the raid and instead of creating a new raid device it just assembled my old one.
17:23<volitank>problem is this won't work on boot. I have to do it manually
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20:35<thrall_Master>When I installed jessie about 2 years aog, I put /var on a seperate hdd, and now it's dying. i managed to save good deal of it except /var/lib. Is there a way to restore it?
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20:36<thrall_Master>The system with that bad /var hdd seems to be functioning except I cannot install new packages
20:38*annadane suspects chroot
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20:47<b17>thrall_Master: dying how? can be fun but usually not very profitable.
20:48<thrall_Master>smartctl shows more than 500 of reallocation sectors
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20:50<thrall_Master>s/500 of/500/
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20:51<b17>i like to mess with that stuff. I usually pull it, install in a plain slow machine without fancy bios and stuff. The more it spins, spins down, and boots the worse it can get.
20:52<b17>how many hours on it?
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20:55<thrall_Master>more than 20000 hours... It's more than 10 years old
20:58<b17>One of the old diag progs may help, there used to be some distros i think systemrescue had several drive mfg diags on it.
20:58<thrall_Master>I don't want to save the disk. I just want to restore the content of /var/lib
20:59<b17>well the more you try to read it the worse it can get if it's really dying, you just want to boot it once and clone it.
20:59<thrall_Master>It looks like it's doable, because most of it seemed not touched since installation
21:00<thrall_Master>Yeah I managed to clone most of it, except /var/lib
21:01<b17>you said it's not very full?
21:01<thrall_Master>it's only 65%
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21:02<thrall_Master>I use a separate mail program, so nothing in /var/mail and likewise /var/spool is empty
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21:04<thrall_Master>the system is still working, except it stalls for minutes once in a random while... and I cannot install new packages because of /var/lib/dpkg chaos
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21:06<thrall_Master>The hdd been on at least 64192 hours.... who knew maxtor hdd would last that long
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21:07<b17>yeh i have a good old maxtor 4R080L0 they are pretty tough
21:08<b17>i dunno, /var/lib is pretty important, you should definitely get ready for a switch
21:10<b17>i had good luck after zero mine out once or twice thru the years, but once it starts with reallocate it probably isn't going to be read right
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21:11<velbau>Amigos, saben como instalar facebook en modo texto?
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21:13<rjsalts>!es
21:13<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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21:15<justme>Hi
21:16<thrall_Master>is it good practice to put /var on a sdd? It seems /var/log would chew an sdd up in no time.... but maybe there's a trick to it or something?
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21:17<b17>the trick is backups, lots of backups
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21:19<b17>thrall_Master: have you ever haerd of putting a failing drive in the freezer? I'm not saying it works, i'm just saying...
21:19<sney>it doesn't not work
21:20<sney>thrall_Master: the whole concept of excessive writes killing SSDs is pretty much obsolete. sure, they won't last forever, but the super short lifespan thing went away with the 2nd generation of the technology
21:20<thrall_Master>I tried it with quantum bigfoot drive. After the freezer treatment, the disk was totally inoperable :)
21:20<sney>we're on generation 5 or 6 now, I think
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21:21<b17>yeah i hate quantum a killed two or three of those
21:21<sney>hard drives are cheap, all of them die, just buy whatever's on sale and use raid and keep backups
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21:23<thrall_Master>yeah I think I am going with a ssd for system drv, and spend the weekend installing stretch and bring it back up to project-ready status over the weekend
21:23<b17>sometimes like i said a plain slow machine with non-fancy bios and a new cable can help. Also sometimes the pins on the connector get loose and need a quick solder.
21:23<b17>sounds dead to me though
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21:25<thrall_Master>it's definitely dying. I am not trying anything heroic with it. i was hoping there was some magic command to bring back /var/lib because it looks like it's mostly untouched since the installtion
21:26<b17>i only have 100MB in /var/lib you have 65% of how many gigs?
21:28<b17>oh that was 65% of /var
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21:28<thrall_Master>47gig
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21:29<b17>about 30g that sounds kinda high, what would happen if you got in there and pruned away some stuff would the controller find some good meat?
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21:31<thrall_Master>Apparently stuffs remain there even if it's no longer needed. And it was /var drive since.... sarge I think....
21:31<thrall_Master>it's not clear at all what's needed and what's not
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21:32<b17>maybe if you selectively get rid of some stuff it can rewrite to good sectors, long shot though
21:33<b17>var/tmp and var/log are surely probably? safe,
21:33<thrall_Master>I can lose those. And var/spool and var/mail can go too
21:34<b17>is it getting real hot when it sticks?
21:35<thrall_Master>It is warm but no more so than other hdds
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21:36<b17>i really admire a drive with that many hours way to go, you should give it a special place in the junk drawer
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21:37<thrall_Master>Yeah I think I will keep it and open it up
21:38<b17>yeah hook a 9 volt up to it it's fun
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21:39<b17>anyway, your debian is fried, and you had it since sarge? man that's a bummer.
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21:41<thrall_Master>It used to be system boot drv but since wheezy it only had /var so it's not too terrible
21:42<b17>wheezy was great but stretch is the best i ever had so far
21:43<b17>anyway wish you luck that's a sad tale, L8r
21:43<thrall_Master>bye
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22:57<Ionic>hmmm, is the homepage unavailable?
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23:33<jhutchins>Ionic: WHICH homepage?
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23:38<Ionic>jhutchins: the main debian.org homepage (though I don't know if a CDN is used for that)
23:39<Ionic>sometimes establishing a connection is really slow, but it looks like it always worked, albeit sometimes only after minutes
23:39<Ionic>currently it loads quickly for me
23:39<jhutchins>Comes up fine for me.
23:40<jhutchins>https://www.debian.org/
23:40<Ionic>yeah, currently it does
23:40<Ionic>an hour ago it hung a bit
23:40<jhutchins>If it's load balanced and there's a node down it might fail part of the time.
23:40<Ionic>*shrug*
23:40<jhutchins>Helps to watch what it's loading, usually it's something from another host.
23:41<jhutchins>...when it hangs.
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23:42<Ionic>my browser explicitly listed the TLS handshake at that time, but I can't reproduce it currently anyway
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