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00:05<lulu>Hello
00:06<lulu>I have a question. What is the Chromium? Is it a google chrome?
00:10<annadane>lulu, it's a fork of google chrome
00:10<annadane>a fork means it's essentially a derivative, ie it "forks off" from the original thing it's based on
00:13<yuta>use firefox lulu
00:13<yuta>don't bother it :P
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00:19<rjsalts>lulu: I think it's the other way round, chromium is the open source project that is the basis for google chrome. They do a few addons on top of it, such as the automatic flash downloads and some of the google integrations (like spell checking, google cloud print, etc) although I think some of them will work with chromium if you take extra steps to install them
00:19<lulu>but I'd like to use some plugins in Google Chrome...
00:19<annadane>oh is it really? i never knew that.
00:19<annadane>right, that does sound familiar
00:20<rjsalts>lulu: so install google chrome
00:21<lulu>how to install that... orz
00:22<rjsalts>lulu: go to google's website, search for chrome, download the deb, install with your favourite interface to dpkg
00:23<lulu>OK
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00:37<yuta>chromium can also use plugin .
00:37<yuta>lulu
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00:44<znoteer>I'm setting up a new box with cups. When in the cups admin interface, when I click on either the "Administration" or "Adding Printers and Classes" links, I get a dialogue box asking me what I want to do with the file 'admin'. If I choose open or display, I get the raw html of the admin page instead of the page being rendered. Any idea what to do to get the page to render?
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00:49<znoteer>https://imagebin.ca/v/3ZIwOvVx2Rb4
00:50<znoteer>https://imagebin.ca/v/3ZIwqiKjwMEg
00:51<znoteer>Those are images of the dialogue box I get and of the raw html page
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01:30<lulu>hello I'm back again lol
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01:30<lulu>Please let me know how to install playonlinux on Debian 9
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01:33<annadane>lulu, just apt install playonlinux; you'll need contrib in your sources list which i believe you already have
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01:35<lulu>Thanks!
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01:39<lulu>Um... how to install wine? I installed wine in "Software", but I can't launch it
01:39<annadane>you need multi arch
01:40<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/Wine
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01:41<popup>can someone help me with qemu? i'm trying do do -machine none, but i can find absolutely no documentation on the web or the manpages for how to use it, and #qemu is pretty dead.
01:41<annadane>actually that wiki entry is really bad
01:41<annadane>it's better if i just elaborate myself
01:41<lulu>I did [sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt update]
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01:41<lulu>but wine still not working
01:42<annadane>take off the parentheses
01:42<cpaelzer_>popup: there is #debian-qemu and #virt which might be more alive - yet not sure at this time of the day
01:43<annadane>otherwise if you tried to launch wine graphically then launch it from the terminal and paste what errors it gives
01:43<cpaelzer_>popup: what is the issue you are facing with -machine none at the moment?
01:43<lulu>how...?
01:43<popup>it requires i manually added devices via -device, however when i run "qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom linux.iso -machine accel=kvm,type=none -device pcie-root-port -device host-x86_64-cpu", it spits out this error:
01:43<popup>qemu-system-x86_64: -device pcie-root-port: No 'PCI' bus found for device 'pcie-root-port'" and then exiting.
01:43<annadane>should just be wine /path/to/file
01:44<popup>this happens no matter what -device i use
01:44<annadane>you can also type winecfg or wine winecfg to set up what version of windows you want to emulate, if you want
01:44<popup>i've tried pcie-root-port,bus=0, pcie-root-port,bus=pci.0, pcie-root-port,bus=pci, and more
01:44<annadane>among other options
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01:44<popup>as for #virt, it looks like that's for libvirt only. i'm using regular qemu.
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01:45<towo^work>popup, you could ask in #kvm @freenode
01:45<popup>that's for the linux kvm subsystem and not qemu.
01:45<towo^work>no
01:45<towo^work>it's for all kvm/qemu related questions
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01:46<popup>at least when i was there last, they told me that qemu syntax-related questions were off-topic, but i could have been misled. regardless, i don't have access to freenode at the moment (might in a day or two), so i'm stuck here.
01:47<lulu>how to launch wine graphically?
01:47<annadane>right click a program you want to launch in wine and select wine...
01:47<towo^work>wine is a cli tool
01:47<annadane>depends on what desktop environment you're on
01:47<lulu>I can launch wine configuration through terminal command, but I don't know how to launch wine
01:47<lulu>Debian 9
01:48<annadane>no; desktop environment
01:48<towo^work>there is nothing grapical if you don't use playonlinux
01:48<annadane>like plasma, kde, gnome, etc
01:48<lulu>Plasma
01:48<annadane>i think lulu means graphical as in not having to call it from the cli, towo
01:48<towo^work>lulu, wine /path/to/windows.exe
01:48<annadane>lulu, then yes, right click the program and "open with"
01:48<towo^work>annadane, doesn't exist
01:49<towo^work>again wine is a cli tool
01:49<annadane>i'm positive it's worked for me
01:49<lulu>wine: cannot find '/path/to/windows.exe'
01:49<cpaelzer_>popup: I never used none so far, but I can confirm your issue
01:49<annadane>lulu, that was just an example
01:49<annadane>use the actual path
01:49<cpaelzer_>popup: let me try to find what dev it might miss in this combination
01:49<lulu>ok
01:50<annadane>"plasma, kde, gnome"
01:50<annadane>i meant plasma, xfce, gnome :P
01:50<annadane>it's late
01:50<lulu>It's working...
01:51<annadane>that's already better than me, i could never get wine working all that well in stable
01:53<annadane>lulu, i probably recommend reading some documentation so you can learn how to do certain things for yourself
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01:55<annadane>https://debian-handbook.info/ https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/
01:57<annadane>incidentally one problem with wiki pages is that because stretch was only released 3 months ago many of the pages still read "for jessie"
01:58<lulu>Thanks
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02:06<cpaelzer_>popup: if you run that without your pci-root-port and in the qemu monitor run "info pci" you'll see that there really is no pci bus it could bind (due to the machine none)
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02:06<cpaelzer_>popup: also info qtree is rather empty
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02:06<cpaelzer_>popup: we'd need to find how to add these devices as well
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02:24<cpaelzer_>popup: looking at http://paste.ubuntu.com/25470525/ what you lack is the host pci bridge, which would usually come by e.g. being a i440fx machine
02:24<cpaelzer_>popup: but since you are -M none that isn't added
02:24<cpaelzer_>popup: so you need to add such on your own some way (or omit devices needing it - which I tihnk is pretty much everything)
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04:28<arun_>hi guys can you help with this bug?
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04:29<Guest4096>https://pastebin.com/BTaNs3uR
04:32<Guest4096>I cannot install grub customizer because of dependency issues https://pastebin.com/BTaNs3uR can you help me fix?
04:33<grove>!bat
04:33<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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04:35<grove>Based on what that pastebin shows I would guess you're either running testing/unstable in which case you should go to #debian-next, or you're trying to install something from an old version on a newer debian
04:36<Guest4096>hiya
04:36<Guest4096>OK so this is the situation
04:36<Guest4096>https://paste.debian.net/984478/
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04:36<Guest4096>ok will try that channel
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04:38<Guest4096>how does one go from testing to stable?
04:40<grove>There's no official way. But your output from `apt-cache policy` suggest you're not using testing/unstable which would mean the first option of my guess was wrong, and that there's no reason to go there.
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04:41<grove>You haven't actually shown `apt-cache policy <pkg>` output for "ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE", and the output for e.g. libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 might be interesting
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04:43<grove>You seadrive.org repository is for jessie, that might be involved (I have no idea what that might be for)
04:44<Guest4096>hi grove, seadrive repo only is upto jessie, but should be unrelated to main sources
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04:44<Guest4096>grove tried apt-cache policy <pkg>
04:44<Guest4096>got a bash error
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04:46<grove>Did you replace "<pkg>" with the name of a package?
04:46<itd>Guest4096: seafile-cli is in stretch-backports (if you don't need the gui).
04:46<Guest4096>itd i need the gui i'm afraid - Bit of a newb :)
04:48<Guest4096>grove tried those
04:48<Guest4096>https://paste.debian.net/984480/
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04:50<Guest4096>anyway i updated my seadrive to stretch as per your advice
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04:54<grove>Guest4096: Can you show your /etc/apt/sources.list (and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*)
04:55<grove>Have you run `apt update` since the last time you edited one of those?
04:56<Guest4096>grove yep updated
04:57<Guest4096>here are the items you requested, policy sources and dir
04:57<Guest4096>http://paste.debian.net/984484/
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04:58<grove>I didn't mean the list of files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, but the contents of all of them
04:58<Guest4096>ok any command to do that easily?
04:59<grove>`cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*`
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05:00<Guest4096>http://paste.debian.net/984486/
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05:01<Guest4096>feels like this is not a localised error huh?
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05:01<grove>In some way you have gotten libssl1.1 installed in a version that has ever only been in testing/unstable, so even though your sources now only mention stable, your effectively still running testing, just not following it, which is probably not very smart. But you will probably be able to get better help in #debian-next
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05:02<Guest4096>so i should remove it?
05:02<grove>No surprises in your sources
05:02<grove>Remove what?
05:03<Guest4096>libssl1.1
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05:03<grove>libssl1.1 is probably depended on by so many things, that that won't be fun
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05:04<Guest4096>yep you are right
05:04<Guest4096>did not look fun at all
05:04<Guest4096>how can i go back to the main version without breaking anything?
05:05<grove>You can try forcibly downgrading it to the version in stable with `apt install libssl1.1= 1.1.0f-3`, but I will not guarantee that will work or not break things
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05:05<cruncher>you seem to have installed at least libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 and libssl1.1 from a different source, probably testing/unstable
05:05<cruncher>so if you do that, dont forget libgtkmm
05:05<grove>But as I said: You're effectively runing testing, so #debian-next might give better help
05:07<grove>And if downgrading libssl1.1 works, that will probably only fix a minor part of the problems, and running (outdated) testing and only having stable sources is bound to cause more problems in the future
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05:09<grove>Guest4096: You're on the edge of running frankendebian
05:09<grove>!frankendebian
05:09<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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05:17<guardian>hello, what's the proper way to download a netinst iso for oldstable please?
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05:17<lulu>Hi
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05:18<cruncher>guardian, what are you asking, how to download it, or where?
05:19<guardian>from where
05:19<cruncher>guardian, i.e. enter in google "debian oldstable netinst iso"
05:19<guardian>ideally http
05:19<cruncher>then select the version you want
05:19<cruncher>should be the first hit
05:20<guardian>hmm first it is wheezy here, but indeed I can find my way from there, thanks
05:20<guardian>it seems slow though
05:21<lulu>I wanna install flash player for Debian 9, how to install it?
05:21<cruncher>yeah, should show jessie.. anyway, you know what to do
05:21<guardian>sure thanks again
05:21<cruncher>lulu, are you sure you need flashplayer? for what you want it? if its for youtube, you dont need it
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05:22<lulu>for educational web site
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05:26<cruncher>lulu, i cant help you install it as i would never use that, but did you try the page without?
05:27<lulu>Is it so dangerous for security?
05:27<cruncher>that would not be the only reason to not to use it
05:28<lulu>oh...
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05:31<cruncher>but im sure someone else here can help you
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05:34<itd>lulu: You could read what [1] recommends. But, really, try not to use Flash. [1]: https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer/
05:34<babilen>lulu: Which browser?
05:35<Guest4096>okj i fixed it, i changed my sources to testing and it worked
05:36<Guest4096>i think i was on testing and added stable repos by mistake
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06:25<lulu_>Hi
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06:26<yuta> Hi Cromiululu
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06:30<lulu_>Debian is so nice distro, I love it now
06:31<ciampix>little question... where do you find stats on Debian _developers_? I mean: how many today, how many last year, how active, and so on...
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06:49<BrainError404>I'm trying to repair grub with fixmbr and it says that it didn't found splash image and stage1 file
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06:50<BrainError404>*the fixmbr procedure
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06:52<Brigo>BrainError404, that is not an error.
06:52<Brigo>(the splash image at least)
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06:54<BrainError404>Brigo: No?
06:55<Brigo>ths splash image if for shwoing some picture at boot time. If not provided nothing is showed. No problem there.
06:55<BrainError404>Ah okay
06:55<BrainError404>And the stage1?
06:56<BrainError404>It says that can't read correctly this file
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07:12<petn-randall>!ask
07:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:13<petn-randall>BrainError404: Can you provide context and output in form of pastes? You can use the dpkg message as a guide.
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07:28<lulu_>How do I change start button in Plasma environment?
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07:30<Blacker47>lulu_, right click -> alternatives?
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07:32<lulu_>where?
07:33<Blacker47>on the start button?
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07:33<lulu_>there is no 'alternatives'
07:34<lulu_>Oh I find it... thanks...
07:34<lulu_>found it...
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07:36<treaki>hi folks
07:36<treaki><treaki> ive got some system with a usb keyboard that has got some volume buttons
07:36<treaki><treaki> i would like them to work even when the screen is locked or no user is logged in or even no x server is running
07:36<treaki><treaki> because the soundcard of the system is used as a distributed player
07:36<treaki><treaki> do you know any deamon that can listen to the volume buttens and turn alsa accordingly
07:36<treaki>thanks in advance
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07:39<fillotassi>Hello Channel
07:40<fillotassi>I just started using Debian and I'm having troubles with ALSA
07:40<fillotassi>I want to use Pure Data (https://puredata.info/)
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07:42<fillotassi>I installed ALSA and its libraries. But when I open it, it says: ALSA input error (snd_pcm_open): No such file or directory ALSA output error (snd_pcm_open): No such file or directory
07:42<fillotassi>Can you give me some hints?
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07:43<BrainError404>petn-randall: sure: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/652231a0/
07:44<petn-randall>BrainError404: Is /boot on your root partition, or a separate one?
07:45<BrainError404>petn-randall, I haven't a partion called /boot ._.
07:45<BrainError404>Ah
07:45<BrainError404>Sorry
07:45<BrainError404>I haven't read correctly
07:46<BrainError404>Yes is on my root partition
07:46<BrainError404>I've made this steps with debian stretch live
07:47<petn-randall>BrainError404: Does the file /boot/grub/stage1 exist?
07:47<petn-randall>!tell treaki -about crossposting
07:47<petn-randall>!tell treaki -about crosspost
07:49<itd>fillotassi: Have a look at the alsa-checklist.
07:49<itd>dpkg: tell fillotassi about alsa-checklist
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07:52<treaki>petn-randall, sorry i didnt meant to be in polite and there where at least 3 minutes after my last posting on an inertly different network
07:52<treaki>i think its more a problem that we have a #debian on freenode and on oftc because debian folks are to whatever to use freenode
07:52<treaki>...
07:52<treaki>*impolite
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07:53<treaki>fillotassi, do some basic stuff like speaker-test (in alsa utils package)
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07:54<ilmaisin>hello
07:54<treaki>hi ilmaisin
07:54<ilmaisin>why the console keyboard layout configuration has to be such a disaster?
07:55<ilmaisin>gnome seems to convert per-user keyboard mappings to console keyboard layouts (!) and does it extremely unpredictably
07:55<grawity>because people prefer whining and crying instead of providing concrete suggestions
07:55<petn-randall>treaki: 3 minutes is nothing in IRC time. I'd wait > 30 minutes before asking again or somewhere else.
07:55<fillotassi>thanks itd and treaki: speaker-test says ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1052:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
07:55<BrainError404>petn-randall, Yes it exists
07:55<ilmaisin>grawity: there has been enough concrete suggestions: not adopting systemd
07:58<treaki>ilmaisin, what do you mean by "disaster"?? one dpkg-reconfigure call some menues and everythin is as you like it?
07:58<ilmaisin>treaki: no
07:58<treaki>why no?
07:58<ilmaisin>treaki: because systemd and gnome
07:59<ilmaisin>treaki: 14:55 < ilmaisin> gnome seems to convert per-user keyboard mappings to console keyboard layouts (!) and does it extremely unpredictably
08:00<treaki>ilmaisin, one "sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" here and everything is fine after i answered a few questions
08:00<petn-randall>ilmaisin: What has this to do with systemd?
08:00<treaki>could you specify your problem more precisely?
08:00<ilmaisin>treaki: nonsense, it does not have all keyboard layouts
08:00<treaki>ok, what special keyboard layout is missing
08:00<ilmaisin>treaki: finnish das, but what does it matter?
08:00<treaki>its a universal operating systems so if you want something special use gentoo
08:01<ilmaisin>treaki: more like useless operating system
08:01<ilmaisin>treaki: and no, i do not want gentoo
08:01<treaki>its much useful for many people
08:01<grawity>more seriously, if the behavior is unpredictable, reportbug it
08:01<treaki>*it was a joke
08:01<petn-randall>ilmaisin: Feel free to use something else. But if you want to get support in here, it'll help if you leave that attitude at the door and try to be a bit more cooperative.
08:02<ilmaisin>petn-randall: i do not want any "support", i want to talk about problems
08:02<treaki>or just answere the questions youre asked...
08:02<ilmaisin>the bug is reported for at least fedora, i try to find it
08:02<treaki>yea but to become understood we need to cicle around the problem and therefore we need details
08:03<ilmaisin>treaki: i think that is (part of the) problem, these things are too complicated
08:03<ilmaisin>treaki: and try to tell for example an average 80 year old to run some dpkg-reconfigure silliness
08:04<treaki>only to complicated if you dont know whats happening, and because its opensoruce youre able to learn all about it :)
08:04<ilmaisin>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1405539
08:05<treaki>if you want to complain go to the a bar
08:05<treaki>*a bar
08:05<ilmaisin>treaki: i do not want to learn it, nor do 99,99999% of people
08:05<treaki>if you want to discuss about tecnical software problems #debian is a place for it
08:06<ilmaisin>this is a technical software problem, but the root cause is as it is always, social
08:06<treaki>so maybe you should just try to answer our questions as good as you can and then someone will possible try to match your level of knowledge
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08:06<treaki>so i havent heard yet what "special layout" you are missing
08:06<ilmaisin>treaki: it does not matter
08:07*treaki will ignore ilmaisin now
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08:09<ilmaisin>so, the problem is mismanagement in systemd
08:10<ilmaisin>it is bad behavior that systemd apparently lets non-root processes to control system-wide settings
08:10<petn-randall>ilmaisin: Rants go to /dev/null please.
08:11<ilmaisin>petn-randall: so, lalalalala systemd is perfect
08:11<ilmaisin>goodbye
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08:11<petn-randall>ilmaisin: Or #debian-rants, this is a support channel.
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08:31<felix>salut
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08:35<prahal_>I multicast betwen two VPNs (OpenVPN and tinc) ... can it be done with only one router (PIM-SM with xorp ?)
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08:35<prahal_>(I want to)
08:37<lulu>I have a small question about change flash image. How do I change Plasma default flash image after login screen.
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08:46<BrainError404>petn-randall: Sorry to bother, I've already respondend you
08:48<petn-randall>BrainError404: I don't really know what generates that file, it's not shipped in a package. But whatever generates it, you should make it generate it again.
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09:17<itd>BrainError404: Do you have grub-legacy installed?
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09:20<BrainError404>itd: Yes
09:23<itd>BrainError404: You could try to reinstall that package.
09:23<BrainError404>itd: grub-legacy or grub-efi?
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09:24<ciampix>little question... where do you find stats on Debian _developers_? I mean: how many today, how many last year, how active, and so on...
09:24<itd>BrainError404: It (grub-legacy) contains a stage1 file which is used to decide if grub-install was successful.
09:25<itd>BrainError404: At least I think that is (more or less) what [1] does. [1]: https://sources.debian.net/src/grub/0.97-72/util/grub-image.in/
09:26<ciampix>found... https://wiki.debian.org/Statistics sorry for the noise...
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09:27<itd>BrainError404: grub-legacy
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09:38<lulu>how to show videos thumbnail on Debian?
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10:35<BrainError404>lulu: First specify the de you're using
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10:36<BrainError404>itd: I've found this about stage1: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Talk:GRUB_Legacy
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10:37<lulu>I'm using the Plasma
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10:42<duclicsic>lulu: i don't know the answer to your question, but if i google "plasma video thumnails" i get several promising looking links, have you considered trying this?
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11:01<lulu>I wanna see thumbnail of videos in File Manager...
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11:07<SimpleIRC_diNTo>hi
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11:08<SimpleIRC_diNTo>can I ask why torbrowser-launcher package was dropped from stretch?
11:09<SimpleIRC_diNTo>I depende on it to circumvent gov censorshipn now I have a hard time downloading from tor website. It,s
11:09<SimpleIRC_diNTo>blocked
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11:12<cascardo>SimpleIRC_diNTo: I couldn't find anything more than https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=863407
11:12<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/863407 in release.debian.org (closed): «RM: torbrowser-launcher/0.2.7-1»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-05-26; last modified: 2017-06-24.
11:12<itd>SimpleIRC_diNTo: Look at bug #861744.
11:12<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/861744 in torbrowser-launcher (open, stretch): «torbrowser-launcher: Should not be part of Stretch»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-05-03; last modified: 2017-09-01.
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11:14<itd>SimpleIRC_diNTo: Wait for a stretch-backport (expected this month, see last message in bug).
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11:26<SimpleIRC_diNTo>thanks. hope to see it in backports soon.
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11:27<SimpleIRC_diNTo>while Im at it, apt downloads over https would be nice too (preferably by default)
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11:28<SimpleIRC_diNTo>while i know downloads are signed, where I live gov selectively blocks a
11:28<SimpleIRC_diNTo>package downloads by name.
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11:29<SimpleIRC_diNTo>https would make that impossible, also nobody can sniff the netwirk waiting for a certaun vulnerable package version to be d
11:29<SimpleIRC_diNTo>installed by a poor citizen
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11:30<SimpleIRC_diNTo>anyone aware of plans to switch downloads over https?
11:31<itd>judd: info apt-transport-https
11:31<judd>Package apt-transport-https (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: https download transport for APT. Version: 1.4.7; Size: 166.6k; Installed: 236k
11:32<itd>SimpleIRC_diNTo: You can do that, if you install the right transport. You should also be able to use Tor mirrors: https://onion.debian.org/
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11:34<SimpleIRC_diNTo>I didnt know about tor mirrors and sure will try them, but https mirrors are non-existent AFAIK
11:35<itd>SimpleIRC_diNTo: https://deb.debian.org/
11:35<SimpleIRC_diNTo>Is there a huge hassle for mirrors to be required to provide downloads over https additional to http?
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11:43<itd>SimpleIRC_diNTo: I'd guess it's more that the benefit is limited. (Attacker knows all packages + their size -> can try to guess what was downloaded based on observed packets.) But IDK, not providing a mirror myself. ;)
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14:08<tima>You do not tell: how in Debian 9 to configure the installation of packages from third-party repositories?
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14:18<jakllsch>I upgraded a machine from jessie to stretch earlier today... I'm now having problems with non-GNOME GUI applications when they are started directly from GNOME Shell, when i start them within GNOME Terminal they work. The problem is GNOME says the app isn't responding, and neither force quit or wait options work.
14:18<jakllsch>the app starts up via gnome shell launch, but it almost immediately quits responding
14:19<jakllsch>firefox, thunderbird, libreoffice all behave this way
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14:26<BrainError404>For booting debian in efi with a gpt partition table a partition must be bootable?
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14:34<madduck>has anyone gathered experience with using dmcrypt on RAID on rotational media for a KVM host? i.e. encrypt the base system, not the individual VMs?
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14:37<dondelelcaro>madduck: I've done that, but I haven't really tested its performance
14:38<grawity>BrainError404: efi has a very different definition of "bootable"
14:38<madduck>dondelelcaro: but by the sound of things, you are not shaking your head madly and trying to run away screaming "save me from such stupid ideas!"
14:38<grawity>BrainError404: it expects to find an "efi system partition" with the bootloader as an *.efi file
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14:41<petn-randall>madduck: Got said setup running under this very VM. /boot is ext4 on raid1, the rest is RAIAD1/LUKS/LVM/ext4. Remotely unlockable with dropbear.
14:42<madduck>petn-randall: right. though these days you can even encrypt /boot thanks to grub able to set up luks decryption!
14:42<madduck>petn-randall: but you have the VM encrypted, not the KVM host
14:42<madduck>no?
14:42<petn-randall>madduck: Indeed, but I don't think you can remotely unlock it then. At least it wasn't possible back when I set this machine up.
14:43<madduck>ah, good point. except if you have IPMI behind a jumphost ;)
14:43<petn-randall>madduck: No, my LUKS is above the RAID1 on the kvm host. The guests don't know anything about the encryption.
14:43<madduck>ok
14:43<madduck>and no performance issues?
14:43<petn-randall>madduck: That would work, but Hetzner has cheap Desktop HW :)
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14:44<petn-randall>madduck: None that I noticed. If the CPU can do AESNI, the bottleneck are the disks.
14:44<madduck>fair enough
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14:45<petn-randall>The increased CPU usage is hardly noticeable, the first CPUs with AESNI could de-/encrypt on the fly at 700MB/s.
14:45<madduck>petn-randall: is this a cpu flag i can query?
14:45<madduck>or can i just assume that my CPU can do it these days? the machine is brand new
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14:45<madduck>xeon e5-2623 v4 @ 2.6GHz
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14:46<madduck>and 2 of those, 16 cores…
14:46<petn-randall>madduck: Yeah, that'll work. Other way to check is 'grep aes /proc/cpuinfo'.
14:47<madduck>of course it has aes
14:48<petn-randall>madduck: Great! Should all work smoothly then.
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15:08<Oluzila>hi. when i have installed debian with luks full disk encryption, is my swap also encrypted with cryptsetup automatically?
15:09<cruncher>Oluzila, depends what you selected, so "no", not automatically
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15:11<Oluzila>cruncher: is there a way to find out if it's encrypted?
15:12<cruncher>Oluzila, do you remember what you selected? somtehing like guided partitioning, with LVM or with LVM and encryption, or did you do it manually (which i doubt)?
15:12<Oluzila>i think guided partitioning with lvm
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15:12<Oluzila>and encryption, yes
15:12<cruncher>then swap should be encrypted
15:12<Oluzila>currently looking for screenshots of the installation process, then i'll remember what i selected (photographic mem)
15:13<Oluzila>Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted lvm
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15:13<Oluzila>i guess i'm fine then
15:13<Oluzila>thx
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15:17<cruncher>Oluzila, of course we can check if you want...
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16:20<vezult>Is there a way to make the debian install happen with consistent device naming disabled?
16:20<vezult>I tried to set dev.ifnames=0 on the kernel commandline
16:21<vezult>but I still ended up with an interfaces file that references ens0 rather than eth0
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16:25<vezult>I'm using packer and debian preseeding to build a base VM image, then I'm using vagrant to automatically configure it with ansible
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16:32<stefano_>hello, i can not run a lexmark multifunction scanner, can anyone help me?
16:33<annadane>stefano_, what about it can you not run? where does it fail?
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16:34<stefano_>I have installed drivers from the lexmark site, but the scanimage -L command does not produce results
16:35<stefano_>i've tried to install 32bit driver instead 64 bit, but nothing...
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16:35<annadane>stefano_, may be a better idea to install what you need from the debian repository instead of lexmark's site, but i don't know too much about it, maybe someone can chime in
16:36<stefano_>sane dont recognize scanner, printer is ok out of the box
16:37<stefano_>annadane, i've search about in repo but i havent find driver
16:37<towo`>http://sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-LEXMARK
16:37<towo`>lexmark is crap³
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16:39<stefano_>but the site is not up to date. I have other scanners not listed but that work. Lexmark says it's compatible
16:39<stefano_>for example i've 3 mfc brother non listed but that work with brother driver
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16:43<stefano_>http://support.lexmark.com:80/lexmark/index?page=content&locale=IT&docLocale=en_US&segType=recommendedSegmentOS&userlocale=IT_IT&id=DR24320
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16:54<Prime_Suspect>stefano_: i had printer/scanner that did not work with sane but does with gscan2pdf and another im not sure but i think was simple scan, maybe try one of those
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18:56<captain>what's the difference between 'wiki' and 'doc' :)
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19:14<montyboy>Hello. The UEFI Debian entry comes up as "Windows" with a generic logo on my laptop. I would like to correct this, but I'm not sure where to start as /sys/firmware/efi doesn't appear to exist.
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19:34<Dubeshru>Hi, anyone..
19:35<petn-randall>montyboy: Where does it come up as Windows?
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19:42<Dubeshru>hi, Ganneff
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19:49<montyboy>petn-randall: When I hold the 'option' key at boot. I see two 'logos': Debian listed as "Windows" with a generic hard drive image and then the rest of the bootable OS logos (actual windows and macOS). I have seen co-workers screens with Fedora logos in the same spot. So, my end goal is to find it, fix it, and submit a 'bug' fix so we can show our OS pride :P
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19:52<montyboy>I wish I knew more about the EFI boot process. I'm digging around.
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20:03<somiaj>montyboy: could it be some mixing issue, where your firmware is showing you both the efi boot images and the mbr disk boot images in legacy mode?
20:04<somiaj>montyboy: efibootmgr (I think is now part of systemd) can help configure that, some firmware options also alow you to mess with the efi boot settings.
20:05<montyboy>somiaj: Ooh, I'll look into the possible 'legacy mode'
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20:26<thrall_Master>What's the rational behind separate /var partition instead of just a subdirectory under /?
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20:32<montyboy>thrall_Master: One would be the location of /var/log with /var being the catch all. Removing the ability for a noisy log to fill up a disk to the point of / filesystem instability.
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20:38<thrall_Master>Ah yes. Now I remember that one time when I had everything under / mount and torrent filling up the disk and someone DDosing(through torrent) me at the same time....
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23:19<yaroslav>Hello, I'm new to the community. Can someone share a brief piece of information on the structure of the Debian team? The only thing I would like to know is whether there are only volunteer developers around the world or there is also an office, where the project is coordinated?
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23:22<a0z>yaroslav: https://www.debian.org/intro/organization
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23:22<yaroslav>Thanks!
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23:35<a0z>yaroslav: there is also more info at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Organization
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23:59<yaroslav>a0z, thank you again! I must have been more inventive before posting my question there and read the basic info on the off-site and wikipedia. But you have helped me anyway to find the answer in the fastest way, yes there is an office. And thank you for friendliness. I'm using IRC for the first time.
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