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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-09-08

---Logopened Fri Sep 08 00:00:47 2017
---Daychanged Fri Sep 08 2017
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00:16<Guest4285>how do you find specifically what driver is being used to access the NIC?
00:17<Guest4285>e.g. in a situtation where you had one working debian distro and a fresh live environment
00:18<shwsh>dmesg | grep 'Ethernet driver'
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00:18<shwsh>It should output something like r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver
00:18<shwsh>where r8169 is the kernel module/driver name
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00:52<rapkit>hello
00:52<shwsh>heyo
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05:01-!-Q-Master^Work is "Vladimir Berezenko" on #debian-next #debianppc #debian
05:05<Epakai>why does stretch's openssl -x509 generate files with different permissions than jessie? I can't find a relevant changelog entry from Debian or OpenSSL project, nothing apparent to me in the source or patches
05:05<grawity>is your global umask different?
05:07<Epakai>i'm not aware how to test that. normal file creation results in the same permissions (644)
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05:37<jiuhygtfrde54sw>eh?
05:39*jiuhygtfrde54sw slaps {4144} around a bit with a large fishbot
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06:05<Aleksej>Hi! Does anyone know, why networking.service has 'WantedBy=multi-user.target'? It leads to long boot delays when network is unavailable at boot for any reason.
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06:06<grawity>so that it'll work the same way it used to, I assume
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06:16<Aleksej>grawity: So that it is as buggy as it used to, then? :) I don't understand why we need networking.service to belong to multi-user.target instead of network.target.
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06:17<grawity>because network.target is used in a different way
06:17<grawity>it's only pulled in by the provider so you can order against it, not by consumers nor boot itself
06:18<grawity>and more importantly, merely being in multi-user.target *does not make it delay the rest*
06:19<grawity>what causes the delays is usually systemd-user-sessions.service *specifically asking for* After=network.target
06:25<Aleksej>grawity: Ah, I see. I thought that graphical.target having 'After=multi-user.target' is what is causing the delay. So the only sane way is to change auto to allow-hotplug then, I guess.
06:25<grawity>that After only affects when the target *itself* is reported as "started"
06:26<grawity>it does not affect all the services *in* it, which are just pulled into the boot process like all others
06:26<Aleksej>Yeah, I assumed that a target is active when all its services are, but this doesn't seem to be the case.
06:27<Aleksej>*becomes active
06:27<grawity>that is true
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06:27<grawity>but you were also claiming the opposite, that services wait for the target
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06:28<grawity>they don't, gdm.service or getty@.service can start as soon as its dependencies are satisfied, even if multi-user.target takes a few minutes in background
06:28<grawity>so...
06:28<grawity>1) yes, for physical interfaces, allow-hotplug makes more sense in general
06:28<grawity>2) look into replacing networking.service with individual ifup@<interface>.service units
06:28<Aleksej>But they belong to graphical.target which has After=multi-user.target.
06:28<grawity>but that's irrelevant
06:29<grawity>they don't "belong" to a target in this manner
06:29<grawity>they're merely dependencies of that target
06:30<Aleksej>Then gdm.service won't get activated until graphical.target gets activated. Which won't happen until multi-user.target is active.
06:30<grawity>your first sentence is completely untrue
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06:32<Aleksej>Then target ordering has no effect?
06:32<grawity>not on gdm.service in the way you're talking, no
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06:32<grawity>the thing is, gdm.service doesn't get queued for start when graphical.target becomes "active"
06:33<grawity>that happens in an earlier stage, when graphical.target just switches to "activating"
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06:34<grawity>in fact, since targets have an implied After on all their dependencies, gdm.service will need to become "active" (started) *first*, and only then you'll see graphical.target "active" (fully reached)
06:34<grawity>so pretty much the exact opposite.
06:34<grawity>where was I
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06:34<grawity>3) `systemctl edit --full systemd-user-sessions.service` and remove network.target from its After
06:35<grawity>that'll get rid of one of the biggest blocks
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06:44<Aleksej>grawity: To confirm I got it: at boot graphical.target is activated (i.e. its state is 'activating'), which also activates all its dependencies including gdm.service and multi-user.target. The former doesn't wait for the latter to become active unless it has an explicit ordering dependency on it. Is that correct?
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06:45<grawity>yes
06:47<Aleksej>I thought that target dependencies get implicit ordering dependencies against the target's own ordering dependencies i.e. if a target has After=foo.service, then its dependencies would also implicitly have After=foo.service. Looks like I was wrong.
06:48<grawity>that might be true with Before=
06:48<grawity>since targets have implicit After on *their own* dependencies
06:48<grawity>e.g. graphical.target has an implicit After=gdm.service
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06:50<grawity>but even then, mostly no
06:52<grawity>so your main delay is because gdm.serice waits for systemd-user-sessions.service, and thus indirectly for networking.service
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06:54<Aleksej>I guess, I'm still thinking in runlevels. :) Need to read documentation more carefully. Thanks a lot for your explanations!
06:54<grawity>think in makefiles
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06:55<grawity>it's rather similar, to the point that Debian even had makefile-based boot process
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07:11<lulu>Hi
07:11<shwsh>heyo
07:11<lulu>Hi have a question. How do I install Acetoneiso?
07:11<lulu>on Debian 9
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07:12<shwsh>sudo apt install acetoneiso
07:12<lulu>thanks!
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07:21<lulu>Um... How to mount cue/bin file on Debian 9?
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07:21<lulu>without convert to ISO
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07:40<Edhil>lulu: that will depend of the .bin. what does "file myfile" says?
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08:06<pep_>Is there a way to use debian/watch standalone? To track upstream versions for myself
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08:13<tarzeau>pep_: uscan ?
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08:13<itd>pep_: Maybe something like "uscan --watchfile the-watch-file"?
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08:14<itd>pep_: The uscan manpage is quite extensive. :)
08:14<pep_>I see, interesting. I'll have a look thanks :)
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08:14<itd>(uscan is part of the devscripts package.)
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11:44<ziggy>Hello all
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11:52<lulu>Hi
11:53<lulu>how to install cdemu on Debian 9?
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11:56<itd>lulu: What's that?
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11:57<lulu>Um.. for mount cue file on linux system?
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11:58<itd>lulu: I don't know. (Hence I'm asking you.)
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11:58<towo`>CDemu - a virtual CD/DVD drive for Linux. Project includes Linux kernel module & userspace utilities.
11:59<itd>lulu: Do you know if it's part of debian? (I.e. it's part of a package in debian.)
12:00<lulu>how to install that on Debian 9?
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12:00<lulu>I'm not so sure about that... I'm a newbie...
12:01<annadane>lulu, as a general rule avoid installing things from outside the repository
12:01<annadane>you can compile your own software if you really do need that specific software
12:01<itd>lulu: How did you install acetoneiso?
12:01<lulu> sudo apt install acetoneiso
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12:02<itd>lulu: Good, and now you want to search something. So try "apt search cdemu".
12:03<itd>lulu: What happens?
12:03<towo`>nothing
12:03<towo`>not in debian
12:04<towo`>available in deb-multimedia, so not not recommended
12:04<lulu>I can't install that
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12:05<itd>towo`: I wouldn't call two lines of output nothing.
12:06<itd>lulu: You cannot install it as package, right. You could try to search for its source and try to compile it from source. But I wouldn't recommend that.
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12:07<lulu>then how to mount cue file on Debian 9 without convert to ISO?
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12:09<cruncher>lulu who told you about cdemu and acetoneiso?
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12:11<lulu>I'm just looking for software like daemon tools...
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12:15<blast007>lulu: does converting it to an .iso with bchunk not work?
12:15<cruncher>lulu, you didn't really answer the question. Anyway, my point is, you probably searched for them in google, so i wonder why you didn't search in google on how to convert cue files to iso?
12:16<lulu>I don't wanna convert, because I don't wanna lose sound tracks...
12:16<cruncher>i would say in debian, the closest to daemon tools is acetoneiso
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12:18<cruncher>i remember you asked on how to convert cue to iso earlier today
12:18<lulu>No I'm not..
12:19<towo`>acetoneiso can't mount cue, mostly used for warez
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12:19<cruncher>but it can moutn bin files
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12:20<towo`>but he want cue
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12:21<cruncher>cue has only the info about the tracks, alld ata is in the bin file itself. So i would give it a try, probably it will mount
12:21<lulu>yes... Because Disk image has a several Bin files, so I have to mount cue file...
12:21<towo`>but since cue was mostly used for warez for windows, it makes not many sense in linux
12:21<cruncher>lulu, did you try to moutn the bin file already?
12:23<lulu>Yes? and lost sound track datas.
12:24<cruncher>ok
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12:27<Walex>lulu: there are several tools like daemon tools, some derived or inspired by it, some rather different
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12:27<cruncher>yeah, acetoneiso supports only single track images
12:27<lulu>what is it? and how to install?
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12:32<Walex>lulu: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Process-Supervision
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12:34<towo`>Walex, wrong context
12:34<towo`>daemon tools for windows is for mounting disc images
12:34<towo`>has nothing to do with init systems
12:36<Walex>uh I was wondering aboput the talk about ISOs
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13:17<drzacek>Hello there
13:17<drzacek>Had to do e2fsck again.
13:17<drzacek>Is there any chance that my windows system corrupts somehow linux partitions?
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13:20<Dark-Jedi>drzacek: Yes. It's possible. I've had Windows overwrite my bootloader on multiple occasions.
13:20<b17>drzacek: did you edit partitions? fsck is for filesystems
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13:23<Walex>drzacek: if an OS has bugs it can overwrite any part of a disk, whichever other OS is stored in it.
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13:24<Walex>drzacek: but it is *unlikely*
13:24<drzacek>I have 2 disks in my PC - on one I have windows 10, on other one I have one big ntfs partition for data + linux partitions. Grub2 is on second hdd and I boot from second hdd
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13:24<drzacek>I can boot from first hdd to windows directly, or boot from 2nd disk to grub - so far there are no problems. But when I want to boot to debian, each time I land in initramfs console
13:25<drzacek>I can now reboot fine, as long I'm on debian. But if I start windows then reboot to linux, bam! ded
13:25<drzacek>or at least so it seems
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13:27<drzacek>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buoHdg7DBSI e2fsck in action
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13:30<b17>sounds complicated, you boot from disk 1 or disk 2 by using a bios key or something?
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13:31<drzacek>https://pasteboard.co/GJrGhmt.jpg
13:31<drzacek>b17, its so I can take away 2nd disk and have untouched windows system
13:31<drzacek>second disk is basically only linux, but grub can start system from first disk
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13:32<b17>drzacek: you mean on first disk, grub is on 2 right?
13:33<drzacek>grub is on 2
13:33<drzacek>linux is on 2
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13:33<drzacek>windows itself is on 1, so if it were to bork mbr, it would only destroy mbr on 1st
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13:35<b17>never use win 10 does it read ext fs?
13:35<towo`>not ootb
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13:35<drzacek>damn
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13:36<b17>unless it resize the part or pen ext i don't know why it would cause fsck, guess anything possible.
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13:36<b17>*open ext
13:36<drzacek>I have this ex2 thingy on my windows, so far I know it runs automatically http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/OS-Enhancements/Ext2Fsd.shtml
13:36<xpld>hellloo!!!!!!!
13:37<towo`>drzacek, then you have found the cause
13:38<towo`>drzacek, don't use that thingy
13:38<drzacek>https://askubuntu.com/questions/849872/how-can-i-prevent-windows-10-from-corrupting-the-ext4-superblock-every-time
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13:38<drzacek>best thing is, I only needed once to mount ext2 disk, then totally forgot about it
13:39<drzacek>also, does sound works in buster?
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13:39<annadane>what?
13:40<annadane>buster questions go in #debian-next but sound in general should work...
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13:56<drzacek>Ok, I rebooted to windows, let all the background services to start, uninstalled ex2fsd, rebooted to debian - filesystem borked, initramfs console. Did e2fsck, rebooted again to now-ex2fsd-free windows, then one more time to debian - boots just fine
13:56<drzacek>So I guess it was the cause. I'm glad it works now, thanks
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14:22<annadane>new_commer, hi. question?
14:23*new_commer annadane hi I'm a complete beginner in irc
14:23<annadane>new_commer, this is a debian support channel, do you have a question?
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14:40<whocares>Hi all , I'm having a problem running debian testing, I have install gparted and when I'm trying to run it I get that message
14:40<whocares>(gpartedbin:2872): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
14:40<whocares>does it have to do with X window and how to solve it? thank you all
14:42<annadane>whocares, #debian-next
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14:52<grove>whocares: As annadane says, #debian-next is the place for questions about testing (and unstable), but it does sound like it has to do with X (and users)
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14:55<whocares>grove, yes I think it has to do with X i'm on #debian-next ;)
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16:24<interc0der>s.a
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16:26<annadane>ah well they left
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16:47<jhutchins>whocares: Actually, it's probably not a debian-next question, you're probably trying to run it as root, root doesn't own the display.
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16:48<jhutchins>Questions really only need to go to -next if they're specific to the newer version (in which case it's because our knowledge here is too sparse, not because we don't want to know).
16:49<whocares>jhutchins, I solve it yes
16:50<jhutchins>xlnt
16:51<whocares>what is the best way to add more space on swap?
16:52<whocares>I want to double it, cause I have more memory now
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16:54<whocares>hm.. i solve it too anyways
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16:57<jhutchins>whocares: If you have more memory, you actually need LESS swap. Managing more than 4G swap is pretty useless.
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17:00<whocares>well I have 2GB RAM and 4GB or swap
17:00<whocares>now
17:00<whocares>not or , of I mean sorry
17:01<whocares>2GB RAM , 4GB swap
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17:06<awal1>you are correct
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17:08<awal1>the "default" is : swap = double size or ram
17:08<awal1>whocares
17:08<awal1>of ^
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17:15<whocares>awal1, yes
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18:00<Kir>Hi
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18:03<Kir>Can I ask a question here?
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18:03<annadane>!ask
18:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:06<Kir>!ask I want to install Debian overwriting existing distro. I have separate root and home partitions. I heard that installing to existing home partition can mess up the configs. But if I set a different username than I have now, will I just get a new username folder under home and this prevents config mess up?
18:07<Kir>ah lol, I wasn't supposed to write !ask, that was silly
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18:08<coruja>Kir, you're right, and you can cherry-pick needed/wanted config files from your old user's home afterwards
18:08<Kir>great, thanks! because I have like 290GB of data on /home, I wanna preserve it, while deleting ALL configuration from previous distro
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18:09<coruja>it's never a bad idea to backup data, just for worst case
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18:10<Kir>alright
18:11<coruja>another not bad idea is having one or more data partitions beside / and /home
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18:13<coruja>if you gonna have only one distro installed, you may think of making your old home a data partition and including /home into /
18:14<coruja>so lots of options ;)
18:14<Kir>hehe, that's what I came to love about linux so far
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18:14<Kir>hm good idea, I wouldn't have to backup data if I just include /home into /
18:15<Kir>though, in the long run I think I wanna have a separate /home, so when I reinstall system for some reason (e.g I break it:P) then I will keep my configurations
18:16<Kir>btw I've been using linux for only 5 months now so, still learning
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18:23<coruja>Kir, which distro have you been using so far (if i may ask)?
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18:29<Kir>Ubuntu for a week, then Linux Mint for 2 weeks, then I wanted more challenge and I switched to Debian for a few months
18:30<somiaj>each offers different set of similar (but slightly different) software and configuration. Debian gives the most freedom, but ends up require more work configurating things than either ubuntu or mint
18:30<annadane>i think you'll find debian is less of a challenge
18:30<Kir>now I am on Fedora, I was excited to have bleeding edge app versions bla bla but I am going back to Debian now, couldn't get Firefox ESR to work on Fedora
18:30<annadane>much more stable than ubuntu
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18:30<annadane>(as ubuntu is based off debian testing)
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18:30<somiaj>yea, the nice thing about debian stable, is once you configure it like you want it, you don't have to keep dealing with things changing.
18:30<Kir>I like freedom and I'm fine with some manual configurations, lets me learn about linux :)
18:30<somiaj>may take more initial work, but I think it pays of fin the long run.
18:31<Kir>great
18:31<somiaj>(provided one understands the limitations of a frozen system and how debian works)
18:31<somiaj>!don't break debian
18:31<dpkg>it has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
18:31<annadane>you may get bored with old software in stable but hey 50,000 packages
18:32<annadane>that said i use unstable :P
18:32<somiaj>!sns
18:32<Kir>yea :P
18:32<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
18:32<somiaj>(I just think of standing in line for the new iphone)
18:32<Kir>I was using Testing, even after Stretch went Stable
18:32<Kir>;)
18:33<Kir>somiaj lol yeah that's me sometimes
18:33*coruja (ab)uses testing too ;)
18:33<somiaj>Kir: testing/unstable are one of those things that do work well, but ocasionally they break, and that is the problem.
18:33<coruja>Kir, btw, testing/unstable support goes to #debian-next
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18:33<somiaj>I prefer sid over testing if you aren't planning on freezing with the release, as sid will get much faster fixes (but have more bugs). Testing has a whole different set of issues, things are usually more stable, but fixes take far longer to make it testing.
18:34<Kir>btw I feel I only know what youtube and google tells me about linux, I read many reviews etc, I think I finally know the differences between distros and what distro is good for what and for whom
18:34<Kir>I wanna a stable, productive, customizable one
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18:34<coruja>then debian stable will be yuour friend
18:34<Kir>aaaaand I think Debian delivers on that very well
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18:34<coruja>your
18:34<Kir>:)
18:34<Kir>hm
18:35<somiaj>and provided one pays attention to what they are doing, debian works great for compiling your own software when there is something you need that isn't in debian, or you need the newer version that isn't in debian.
18:36<Kir>I think I'll give up running after top app versions, I don't even get to see what really changed in a new version, I just love compulsively typing apt update/upgrade and makes me happy when there's an update :P
18:36<somiaj>and this works with many non core things, desktops are the exception, these are just to many packages mixed to gether to easly backport a desktop. But I find de's bloated and not what I like about linux. A simple wm I find much more my style.
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18:38<Kir>:)
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18:38<Kir>I'm deciding between XFCE, MATE and Cinnamon
18:39<Kir>I prefer the layout of XFCE the most but, well, seeing that last update was like 2 years ago, puts me off. I want the feeling that there's something more to come
18:39<Kir>MATE I like the looks but I prefer a single panel, not 2
18:40<crash_>Mate is my goto desktop beacuse of gtk3 and faster development then xfce
18:40<Kir>ok I cross out Cinnamon, I didn't find it too customizable
18:40<Kir>MATE it is
18:40<crash_>Kir: and you can remove the bottom panel as i have and i only use one panel at the top of the screen as xfce does
18:41<Kir>oh thanks
18:41<annadane>yeah don't go by necessarily default looks, you can customize just about anything in the linux world
18:41<Kir>:)
18:41<annadane>may i also suggest reddit.com/r/unixporn
18:41<sevu>besides gnome :P
18:42<annadane>besides... yeah
18:43<Kir>flashy page :P I'll grab it
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18:43<Kir>okay thanks all, I'm off to reinstalling Debian and gonna visit this channel from now on :D
18:43<Kir>really really helpful people here
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18:52<Megaf>hi guys, any recommendations on stuff I can remove to reduce disk use?
18:52<Megaf>I mean actual files
18:56<somiaj>Megaf: in general debian should stay fairly clean.
18:56<somiaj>if you have lots of downloaded .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archive, apt-get clean will get rid of them
18:57<somiaj>out side of that, stuff in $HOME that you don't use, but only you nkow what personal files you need.
18:57<somiaj>you can also use softare like deborphan to try to find any packages that aren't being used by other packages, though this usually won't free up that much space unless you have removed a bunch of software.
18:58<Megaf>somiaj, I'm going for a very minimal and clean install
18:58<Megaf>I'm even thinking about removing cron
18:59<annadane>ah, you're installing
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18:59<Megaf>fresh install
18:59<Megaf>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
18:59<Megaf>So far I got this
18:59<Megaf>oops
18:59<annadane>minimal is... i guess basically uncheck everything and just add what you need
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18:59<Megaf>/dev/sda1 1.9G 506M 1.4G 28% /
18:59<somiaj>Megaf: for a minimial install I would suggest starting with the netinstall with a base system and don't install any de. Then only install what you need
18:59<Megaf>I'm aiming at 256 MB
18:59<somiaj>the base install is about 500-800Megs
19:00<Megaf>it was a minimal base install
19:00<Megaf>my target is 256 MB
19:00<somiaj>Megaf: you can remove stuff from the base install that you don't need, just be careful. In general it is suggested that you install all things of standard or higher
19:00<somiaj>!standard
19:00<dpkg>standard task is, like, a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
19:00<annadane>not sure whether it's generally recommended to uncheck standard system utilities or not if you want a minimal install and don't know what you're doing, whether the common utilities really are important
19:00<annadane>hah
19:00<annadane>somiaj, we're the same person
19:00<somiaj>but on smaller installs, you can remove stuff, you just won't be able to get a list of what should be removed. You will have to decide that for yourself.
19:00<Megaf>somiaj, this is a VM host, so I really don't need much
19:01<somiaj>maybe docker.io would be more what you need than a full vm too.
19:01<Megaf>A Debian 9 host that will host Debian 9 containers
19:01<somiaj>I woudln't remove cron from a vm host.
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19:01<Megaf>yep, that's why it still there
19:01<somiaj>but outside of a minimial install from the netinstall iso, there is no list of 'well this stuff is extra'
19:02<somiaj>there maybe stuff you don't need (such as some wirless tools, etc), but the minimial install is fairly minimial and it requires a bit of poking around and work to decide what (if anything) from it could be removed and fulfill your needs.
19:02<Megaf>ok, rsyslog is gone, freed 1.5 MB
19:02<somiaj>you could also try debootstrap if you want to go even more minmial than a netinstall, though again, this isn't that much more minimial.
19:03<somiaj>another thing I wouldn't remove, espically for 1.5megs of space.
19:03<Megaf>console-setup is gone too
19:03<Megaf>495M used
19:04<Megaf>what's the package for man pages?
19:04<somiaj>that is an optional package, so seems like a good candiate
19:04<somiaj>Megaf: depends on the package, some packages include the manpage in it, others have the docs in a speperate -docs package
19:04<somiaj>but I would use apt-cache show, and not remove important packages like rsyslog, but optional packages like console-setup is fine
19:05<Megaf>cool, that gave me an idea, lets see
19:05<Megaf>theres no -doc package installed
19:05<Megaf>I dont need rsyslog
19:05<Megaf>I only want log from ssh and my VM host service
19:05<Megaf>they dont depend on rsyslog AFAIK
19:06<somiaj>so you don't think you'll need logs from the host?
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19:06<Megaf>not the type rsyslog will do
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19:06<somiaj>anyways, it may not be needed, but I woudln't think 1.5megs is saving that much space.
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19:06<somiaj>there are other things such as login(1), the kernel, and stuff you may want logs for.
19:07<Megaf>well, if I removed 100 things that are 1 MB each
19:07<Megaf>logins will be allowed only from one user
19:07<coruja>Megaf, have you turned off installing recommends in apt?
19:07<somiaj>!important
19:07<Megaf>coruja, I usally just add the flag to atp
19:08<Megaf>--no-install-suggests --no-install-recommends
19:08<coruja>Megaf, already during installation?
19:08<Megaf>nope, should have done
19:08<somiaj>hmm, anyways, just be careful when removing things, you may find stuff considered important is actually used by other parts of the core system.
19:08<Megaf>How do I make apt remove all suggested packages?
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19:08<somiaj>suggested packages are never installed by default
19:09<somiaj>and recommened packages are, but in many cases you will want the recomended packages.
19:09<coruja>(edit and add 'recommends=false' to boot line before starting installer)
19:09<Megaf>systemd is disabled and gone already. But I cant fully remove it
19:09<somiaj>there are some embeded channels, might be able to find some advice as to what stuff the embeded people remove as they usually are in a situtation where a more minimial install is needed.
19:09<somiaj>in modern hardware saving a few hundered megs on the hardrive doens't really do much.
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19:11<Megaf>libsystemd0 has to stay,
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19:12<somiaj>yea there is a #debian-embedded, they might have some advice (though more directed towards embeded systems, not just having as minimial as possible install)
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19:12<somiaj>https://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian -- and if you really want minimial, you may need to rebuild packages to remove docs and stuff like that. Though I personally can't see what saving a few hudered megs on the harddisk as a host is going to achive out side of you can do it.
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19:18<Megaf>I think I will stop already http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/raw/master/sofar.png
19:18<Megaf>quite happy with the result so far
19:18<Megaf>as in the screenshot
19:20<Megaf>I will however have a good look at https://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian
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19:25<Megaf>ok, I will install other kernel now,
19:32<warp>Hi guys, can't connect to my vps , ssh is down , auth.log reveal this error
19:32<warp>Jul 28 20:28:26 warp sshd[31893]: error: rexec of /usr/sbin/sshd failed: No such file or directory
19:32<warp>Someone has an idea?
19:34<Megaf>That's bad
19:34<Megaf>you need to reinstall openssh-server
19:34<Megaf>just dont know how
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19:38<warp>why should i need to reinstall for this error
19:38<warp>can you explain me ?
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19:53<Megaf>warp, because that file is the ssh server itself
19:53<Megaf>and you seem to be missing it
19:53<Megaf>basically you dont have openssh-server anymore
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19:55<blast007>warp: how'd you manage to lose your SSH daemon? disk failing?
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20:06<warp>i don't know...
20:08<blast007>if files start vanishing, probably time to ensure you have good backups and get a new VPS
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20:18<warp>How can i check the state of my hard drive ? i tried smartctl -a /dev/sda | less
20:18<warp>And everything seems fine
20:19<d43mon>warp: There was a google research that showed SMART isn't reliable at telling if a HDD is failling or not. I'll try to find the link
20:20<blast007>it's a VPS, you don't have direct access to the disk anyway
20:22<d43mon>warp: https://research.google.com/pubs/pub32774.html the research I told you
20:23<warp>We already talk together yesterday blast, i think all my issues are due to my failing hdd
20:23<warp>Thanks, i will read this article d43mon :)
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20:25<warp>Another question, when i install a linux, debian always asking for separate partition for /home /var /tmp, what is the matter of this ? pro/cons?
20:27<Megaf>What's the equivalent in apt for things in aptitude like the flag ~i?
20:27<Megaf>~i meaning installed
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20:28<Megaf>warp, organization and managing space
20:28<Megaf>it really depends on what you want to do
20:28<coruja>Megaf, apt list --installed
20:29<Megaf>The following packages will be REMOVED:
20:29<Megaf> libc-l10n* locales*
20:29<Megaf>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
20:29<Megaf>After this operation, 13.8 MB disk space will be freed.
20:29<Megaf>That's a thing that can definitely be removed
20:30<Megaf>and tzdata
20:33<d43mon>warp: I forgot to point out that is just the "Abstract" the actual research shows up when you click the PDF blue button
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21:19<annadane>i sort of have a general question/non-question of paranoia, i needed flash for something so installed it via non-free, it's since been purged but because it's in non-free i don't really trust it, and i was wondering if there's any possibility of keyloggers etc being in the system now
21:20<annadane>using unstable but it's general enough so i put it here, if it does belong in #next let me know
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21:24<d43mon>annadane: rkhunter is the thing that comes into my mind. But it is NOT for unexperienced users, and should be run from a LiveBoot, because the point of a rootkit is to be invisible to the OS.
21:24<annadane>i guess i should probably reinstall if i'm going to be paranoid about it
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21:33<somiaj>annadane: I woudln't worry that much about flash. General advice is if you think you are compermised, reinstall and recover from backups you know are safe.
21:33<annadane>i don't necessarily think i'm compromised, just that i can't know for sure
21:33<somiaj>but unless you were using flash on some really shady sites, it should be just fine. Many users use flash regularlly without any issue.
21:34<somiaj>you can never know for sure, rkhunter and other tools like debsums can maybe give you some piece of mind, but they won't detect everything.
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22:46-!-tobi_ is "Tobias Frost" on #debconf-video #debian-mia #debian-ftp #debconf #debian #debian-games #debian-mentors
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