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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-09-12

---Logopened Tue Sep 12 00:00:53 2017
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00:29-!-Q-Master^Work is "Vladimir Berezenko" on #debian #debianppc #debian-next
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00:51<backbox>oi
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00:53<d43mon>Ola, para supporte em portugues use o /j #debian-br La vai ter mais pessoas fluentes em PT-BR.
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01:00<backbox>melon estas aqui ¿
01:00<backbox>cabezon?
01:02<annadane>!es
01:02<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
01:03<annadane>oh, well, apparently portuguese but left anyway
01:09<d43mon>annadane: Not sure, "oi" is "hi" in portuguese, but then he proceded to talk in spanish
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03:44<bib>Hello
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03:47<itd>bib: Hello. Should you have a question - just ask. :)
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03:52<bib>i have ask on debian fr but no answer
03:53<bib>I have some trouble with sound on my laptop
03:53<bib>no sound with chrome mplayer or skype
03:53<bib>but i can heard something with this
03:53<bib>speaker-test -D plug:front -c 2 -l 1 -t wav
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03:55<jm_>what does mplayer say (start it in a terminal, or better yet, switch to say mpv)?
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04:01<bib>Audio device got stuck!
04:01<bib>A: 119.4 (01:59.3) of 169.0 (02:49.0) 0.3%
04:02<jm_>which device and driver is it?
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04:02<bib>Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory
04:02<bib>Can't init input joystick
04:02<bib>mplayer: could not connect to socket
04:02<bib>mplayer: No such file or directory
04:02<bib>Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control.
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04:03<jm_>use the paste site if you need to paste more than 2 line
04:03<jm_>!paste
04:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
04:04<bib>yes sorry
04:04<jm_>no problem
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04:05<jm_>you can find device with «lspci -nn | grep -i audio» and «cat /proc/asound/cards»
04:06<jm_>lspci -k will show driver in use
04:06<bib>http://paste.debian.net/985650/
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04:07<bib>http://paste.debian.net/985651/
04:08<jm_>looks pretty standard to me, which kernel version are you using?
04:08<bib>Linux bigdell 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2+deb8u3 (2017-08-15) x86_64 GNU/Linux
04:08<jm_>is that jessie?
04:08<bib>yes
04:09<jm_>maybe try using a newer kernel from bpo first
04:09<jm_>!bpo kernel
04:09<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
04:10<jm_>use apt/apt-get if you use that normally
04:10<bib>yes bpo is in my sources.list
04:11<bib>and I have update
04:11<bib>and upgrade
04:11<jm_>it will leave currently installed kernel intact so you can still select it at boot prompt
04:11<jm_>you need to install it manually, update/upgrade won't pull it from there until then
04:11<bib>oh ok
04:12<jm_>you can use a command like the above one
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04:15<bib>I come back after reboot
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04:28<bib>http://paste.debian.net/985654/
04:28<jm_>!localized errors
04:28<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
04:30<bib>oh sorry
04:30<bib>http://paste.debian.net/985656/
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04:38<jm_>what does «apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64» show?
04:40<bib>http://paste.debian.net/985658/
04:40<bib>I don't think it's kernel problem
04:40<bib>but misconfigured problem
04:41<bib>because I can heard something when I run the following cmd
04:41<bib>speaker-test -D plug:front -c 2 -l 1 -t wav
04:42<bib>and this one too
04:42<bib>aplay -D plughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
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04:43<jm_>you don't have bpo in sources.list
04:43<jm_>!jessie backports
04:43<dpkg>Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>.
04:44<bib>http://paste.debian.net/985659/
04:44<jm_>yes, in general the issue can be elsewhere too
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04:45<jm_>that's not bpo, you only have an entry for debian multimedia which we discourage people from using
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04:48<bib>ok I add it and install
04:48<bib>coming after
04:48<jm_>anyway, I recommend you try another movie player too, especially one not from deb-mm
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04:49<bib>I have try with chrome, and skype and ff
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04:50<bib>oh yes with vlc I have sound
04:50<bib>:)
04:50<jm_>OK, do note that the very recent versions of firefox need pulseaudio for sound, that's another thing you could try too - use PA for sound
04:50<bib>great
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04:51<bib>but no sound with ff
04:52<jm_>yeah you would have no sound if you are using such a version with no PA running
04:52<jm_>(it's just a possibility, and not a very likely one)
04:52<bib>I have try pulseaudio --kill pulseaudio --start
05:00<bib>i reboot
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05:11<bib>ok I'm on bpo kernel
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05:21<bib>no sound again in ff
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05:47<Kir>eh I wish I had experience in all these problems so I would be able to help more people
05:47<Kir>but for me, the only problem in Debian was getting wifi to work and only because I screwed something up while setting it up
05:48<Kir>Any other need for how-to's has been satisfied by Debian wiki:)
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05:51<Kir>By the way, recently I almost tried Archlinux, tempted by the opportunity to hand pick all software myself. However, it's in large part true for Debian too, I don't get a ton of needless apps, just the minimum, especially when I choose a lighter DE and more so if I do a minimal netinstall :) Though I get Debian's stability as a bonus :) That's what I love about Debian
05:52<Kir>Also I like that Debian isn't super-tailored to a one specific DE I think. Like some other distros are tied to specific DEs. I think Debian is well compatible with all of them in return
05:52<Kir>Just my 2 cents
05:53<Kir>I don't have any Debian loving friend in real life, so I enjoy writing and reading about Debian here :P
05:54<qxxt>Seems ifconfig is not part of Debian anymore. So what what do the hip kids use today to list MAC address etc? hostname -I works for ip addresses. Need the MACs
05:55<grawity>`ip addr`, `ip link`, `ip route`, `ip neigh`
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05:55<grawity>ifconfig & route are still installable, the problem is that they lie by omission
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05:55<grawity>since nobody bothered to update them to netlink APIs over the past decade or so
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05:57<msd572>hi,
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05:58<qxxt>grawity, really something as useful as route has had no love in that much time. Might take a look at that when I am down with this virgl stack stuff.
05:59<msd572>smeone can help me ?
06:00<grawity>qxxt: is it useful in the sense of unique functionality, or just that you like the command-line syntax
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06:01<msd572>i have a problem with my Debian!
06:01<qxxt>grawity, or just that I have been using it for like 15 years and don't like change much =)
06:02<qxxt>msd572, weird way to ask for help. State your issue first then ask.
06:02<grawity>right, so the latter then
06:03<qxxt>grawity, yup the l8r. They tell me that I don't need to use lynx to surf the internets these days. Who would have known =)
06:04<msd572>i have install Debian in dualboot with my windows 10!
06:04<qxxt>msd572, oh shit
06:05<msd572>but when i turn on the pc it is only windows 10 who load.
06:06<qxxt>msd572, and windows trashed overwrote your setup?
06:06<qxxt>msd572, yeah Windows does that I hear. Unfortunately I don't know much about UEFI and Windows
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06:09<qxxt>msd572, seems to be a common problem. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2234019
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06:12<msd572>non, windows doesn't overwrite my setup!
06:12<thunderdeer>what torrent clients are you guys using?
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06:12<msd572>but i can load Debian!
06:12<msd572>i can't load debian.
06:13<Kir>thunderdeer I just use the standard Deluge
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06:14<thunderdeer>alright ill check it out was looking at transmission
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06:15<Kir>Transmission looks a bit raw to me, I'm used to utorrent and Deluge looks much closer to utorrent in terms of interface than Transmission
06:15<thunderdeer>oh full encryption is the encryption any good in deluge?
06:15<itd>dpkg: fixmbr
06:15<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
06:15<itd>msd572: Try that ^.
06:16<Kir>no idea, I'm kinda new user, using Linux in general for like 5 months
06:16<jm_>thunderdeer: rtorrent
06:16<thunderdeer>alright i'm kind of new too. using parrotsec atm
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06:17<itd>thunderdeer: Then #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org is where you want to ask your questions.
06:18<thunderdeer>oh didn't know they had their own irc
06:18<thunderdeer>ty
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06:53<Kir>What Python IDE (with good code auto completion) do you recommend?
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07:26<bib>hello
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07:27<bib>I have run a dist-upgrade on jessie bpo
07:27<bib>and now I have a screen at logon with :
07:28<bib>Oh no ! Something as gone wrong. A problem has occured and the system can't recover. Please logout and try again
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07:30<Viator>...
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07:32<bib>on the tty it said after login
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07:32<bib>xset: unable to open display ""
07:32<bib>Cannot open display "default desplay"
07:33<jm_>are you using nvidia driver for X?
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07:36<bib>yes
07:36<bib>I need to reinstall something ?
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07:38<jm_>so maybe nvidia driver failed to build for new kernel, did you install kernel headers for it too?
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07:42<bib>I juste run "apt-get -t jessie-backorts dist-upgrade"
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07:45<jm_>install matching linux-headers package for your new bpo kernel - dpkg -l | grep linux-image, i.e. if it shows linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 you install linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.3-amd64
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08:06<bib_>ok it's install
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08:08<bib_>I have reboot and have the same issue, what I need to do after that ?
08:11<jm_>sorry I have to run now, I would double check the nvidia driver built (dkms logs will show build status)
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08:14<bib_>damn someone can help ?
08:15<Anarka>try dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx
08:15<towo-kvm>with what?
08:15<towo-kvm>or provide the recentg Xorg.0.log
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08:22<bib_>nvidia-glx not installed
08:23<Anarka>thats the nvidia driver
08:23<bib_>I have install it and reboot
08:24<bib_>but same message on display "Oh no ! Something as gone wrong. A problem has occured and the system can't recover. Please logout and try again"
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08:25<bib_>and when i logout I comeback to tty
08:25<Anarka>!paste
08:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
08:25<Anarka>paste your ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
08:26<bib_>no file with this name
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08:27<bib_>/var/log/Xorg.0.log
08:27<bib_>https://paste.debian.net/985693/
08:28<Anarka>[ 39.297] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
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08:29<Anarka>is that a laptop ?
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08:30<towo-kvm>biblspci | egrep -i "3d|display|vga"
08:31<towo-kvm>bib_, lspci | egrep -i "3d|display|vga"
08:31<Omochao>hello, I had an issue involving a full disk and as a result my /var/log/syslog is now 3GB. (That issue is now fixed.) Is it safe to delete or truncate the log?
08:31<towo-kvm>bib_ this doesn't lokk like nvidia hardware, since x loads the intel driver
08:34<bib_>yes it's a laptop
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08:35<bib_>lspci > https://paste.debian.net/985697/
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08:36<towo-kvm>seems like optimus but deactivated nvidia gpu?
08:36<towo-kvm>your x-log only see one graphics device
08:38<Anarka>!optimus
08:38<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net.
08:38<Anarka>oops, no idea on that :)
08:38<bib_>ok
08:39<bib_>yes it is optimus
08:39<bib_>but work before upgrade
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10:59<best>Привет
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11:02<petn-randall>!ru
11:02<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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11:38<Kir>Is there something like double-cmd in Debian repos?
11:38<petn-randall>Kir: What does double-cmd do?
11:39<Kir>it's a gui for managing files, with 2 panels on left and right, sort of like Norton Commander or Total Commander in dos/windows
11:40<towo-kvm>doublecmd-gtk
11:40<Kir>oh, it is in repos
11:40<towo-kvm>wat's wrong with that?
11:41<Kir>I tried sudo apt search double-cmd and got error
11:41<Kir>I mistyped it, thanks towo-kvm!
11:41<petn-randall>Kir: There are several such clones: krusader, lfm, mc, pilot, tuxcmd.
11:41<towo-kvm>and btw, apt search does not need root rights
11:41<Kir>oh
11:41<Kir>good to know
11:42<Kir>I started my adventure with APT with apt update, and since I always used as root, didn't realize search doesn't require root access
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11:57<Ov3rl0rd>Anyone know how I can globaly lower cpu utilization
11:58<Ov3rl0rd>I was looking at various utilities like cputool but all of them seem to be for individual pids
11:58<grawity>run fewer programs
11:58<Ov3rl0rd>thats not what my issue is :)
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11:58<Ov3rl0rd>Im just trying to set all to only get 95% of the cpu
11:58<grawity>then start with describing the issue
11:58<Ov3rl0rd>I'm trying to globally lower cpu utilization on all pids at once
11:58<grawity>does the cpu overheat? does something make everything laggy?
11:59<grawity>are you trying to reserve 5% for a specific app?
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12:00<Ov3rl0rd>its a laptop and yeah it tends to get hot. but theres also some intermitten issue with the psu where if the machine is at 100% utilization it acts like its unplugged from the charger and starts slowly trickle draining the batteries
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12:00<Ov3rl0rd>but in general id like to be able to set the max to 95% for cooling reasons
12:00<grawity>so temperature and power usage
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12:01<grawity>not sure if this works on newer laptops, but older ones can limit the cpu frequency with `cpupower frequency-set -g powersave`
12:01*grawity hasn't learned the intel-pstate equivalent yet
12:01<Ov3rl0rd>oh interesting. its an older machien
12:02<petn-randall>Ov3rl0rd: I'd rather fix the actual issue than try to hack around it with software. You can force powersaving, but that won't stop the CPU from running at 100%.
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12:02<Ov3rl0rd>petn-randall: only way to fix the issue, it seems, is to replace the mobo
12:02<sjzurek>Ov3rl0rd: fix your charger, or get a bigger one. You might suffer from low power rating. I need 120W for my laptop to make it not do the same as yours :)
12:02<grawity>in general, I don't think "limit to 95%" even makes sense
12:02<grawity>relative to other programs, yes; in absolute terms, I don't know
12:02<Ov3rl0rd>well. i can tell you in windows if I lower the max cpu to 99% its totally fine
12:03<grawity>how precisely do you "lower the max cpu" there
12:03<Ov3rl0rd>whatever the issue is its a ac/dc internal mobo issue
12:03<Ov3rl0rd>in the power manager i manually set it to 99%
12:03<Ov3rl0rd>like where you build a custom profile
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12:04<Ov3rl0rd>and if I manually set the utilization for pids in linux, it does the same thing, like i can see the charger light turn on after a few seconds and the batteries start getting charged
12:04<Ov3rl0rd>if I were to reboot with nothing set, and the batteries are both at 100 or 99, they'll very slowly start to go down. very slowly
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12:05<Ov3rl0rd>and the charger indicater on the front panel wont be on
12:05<Ov3rl0rd>let me try that command you gave me grawity
12:05<Ov3rl0rd>thank you
12:05<grawity>that certainly sounds like the charger being a little bit too weak
12:05<grawity>or something
12:06<Ov3rl0rd>i don't think its the charger tho. its the official hp charger
12:06<Ov3rl0rd>and I have the lower wattage one too
12:06<grawity>um, wouldn't you need a *higher* wattage one
12:06<blast007>you have two batteries in the unit? or one batter at a time and just have a spare?
12:06<Ov3rl0rd>no i mean i have both. so I know what they look like
12:06<Ov3rl0rd>I have the high wattage one
12:07<Ov3rl0rd>and the system atleast in windows throws an alert if you use the lower wattage one
12:07<grawity>also "official HP charger" doesn't really mean it'll stay in perfect condition forever, tbh
12:07<Ov3rl0rd>2 batteries. its the HP Compaq 6910p
12:07<Ov3rl0rd>true. that is tru
12:07<Ov3rl0rd>I guess it woudl be worth getting a new one
12:07<blast007>what if you only have on battery installed?
12:07<blast007>one*
12:07<Ov3rl0rd>same issue
12:08<grawity>anyway, if -g powersave works (which forces the lowest freq), you can also try just limiting the --max frequency instead
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12:10<Ov3rl0rd>linux-cpupower is the package I want right?
12:11<grawity>yes
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12:13<grawity>--governor schedutil --max 2.00GHz (dynamic scaling but capped)
12:13<grawity>--governor powersave (always minimum)
12:13<grawity>and well, if the laptop's *always* at 100% CPU use, there's something wrong with your OS...
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12:14<syanures>Good evening folks. I've got some problems with the TS3 Clients. It doesn't recognize my Logitech G35 as Microphone, neither as Output Device while this runs perfectly smooth in Discord. I've played around with the settings in Teamspeak 3 already but that didn't help anything. I think it could be a permission problem or something similar. I use Debian Stretch, fully up to date. Any suggestions?
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12:41<itd>syanures: TS3 is not part of Debian and non-free. My suggestion is: ask their forum http://forum.teamspeak.com/
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12:44<syanures>Thanks itd, just did that. I've been hoping to get some support here. Thank you anyway;)
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14:05<mplavsic>hey there
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14:23<inkbottle>I've found that: https://access.redhat.com/security/vulnerabilities/blueborne, I'm wondering when the bug has been fixed upstream and if it's already fixed on debian side or not
14:24<Korak>Hello, I am trying to get Debian up and running on my laptop and seem to being having trouble with my display drivers. When I tried to boot to recovery I noticed the last thing was it switching video over to amdgpudrmfb. Machine has a A10-9600P Radeon R5 APU. There anything I can do to get this machine to boot?
14:25<libregeekingkid[m]>Korak: at the grub screen edit the entry by pressing e
14:25<libregeekingkid[m]>replace the line if there is for 'splash' with 'nosplash'
14:25<libregeekingkid[m]>and then try booting
14:25<libregeekingkid[m]>see if that works
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14:28<Korak>libregeekingkid[m]: I do not see any line referencing splash, I just finished doing a network install of Debian 9, so everything is still at default settings.
14:28<libregeekingkid[m]>at the grub screen?
14:30<Korak>Yeah, at the grub screen I pressed e to go in the editor, there doesn't seem to be any "splash" in the file
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14:30<pablo>hello all
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14:33<Korak>libregeekingkid[m]: during boot I can't even get to the login screen as the video crashes before that point, tried booting to recovery in hopes I could get to terminal prompt but it crashed soon as it passed video from the UEFI system over to Debian
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14:37<annadane>Pablo--, hi, question?
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14:40<Korak>just for the fun of it I just tried removing the line "load_video" and I get the same results,
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14:42<Korak>from watching hard drive activity light I think the system boots, just the video crashes so I can't really do much with it
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14:46<b17>Korak: not sure you can do this anymore, what about modprobe.blacklist=amdgpu and 'single' maybe that will at least boot?
14:46<b17>maybe there are some params you can set later
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14:48<LeLutin>I'm having crash issues with thunderbird 52 on debian jessie.. anyone encountered this, too?
14:48<Korak>b17: If I can at least get to terminal I think I there might be some non-free drivers that will fix the issue.
14:48<LeLutin>(on the terminal I'm getting some kind of error message that isn't really helpful)
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14:48<blast007>Korak: not drivers, firmware
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14:51<Korak>well, drivers, firmware, it all seems to bee moot point, doesn't look like I am going to get far enough to try that.
14:51<blast007>Korak: and there are installer ISOs that already include most firmware, so in the future you might want to go that route
14:52<blast007>!firmware images
14:52<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>.
14:53<b17>Korak: there are tones of devices that need firmware or microcode and rounding them all up takes time, so it's probably 'out there' somewhere just not made it to the installer yet.
14:54<Korak>blast007: Yeah, that does look like the better option, I wonder how it is I missed those...... I have installed Debian on several machines and always had fun with having to manually track down firmware
14:55<b17>even 10 yr old radeons have boot issues without firmware, it's a drag
14:56<Korak>Also glad I asked this while still at work, downloading that will be much quicker here :)
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15:18<sebastian_>hhello world
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15:19<sebastian_>great<1
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15:23<sebastian_>this is great
15:23<sebastian_>ciao
15:23<freebeer>Hello Sebastian :)
15:24<sebastian_>oh hi
15:24<sebastian_>freebeer
15:24<sebastian_>:-)
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15:24<freebeer>So, what's hap'nin'?
15:25<sebastian_>my entering box is black with black fonts
15:25<sebastian_>so i can onliy read my text after hitting enter
15:25<sebastian_>this is my first time in this hexcheat. i am ... astounded
15:26<sebastian_>hexchat
15:26<freebeer>Hehe. Some kind of color scheme f*ckup. Hd that on my browser windows.
15:26<freebeer>Hexchat? IRC?
15:26<sebastian_>so where are you or whta time istit where you are?
15:27<freebeer>DK. 21:27.
15:27<freebeer>Never tried IRC before?
15:27<sebastian_>ok
15:27<sebastian_>never
15:27<freebeer>Welcome, then :(
15:27<freebeer>:)
15:27<sebastian_>i came from win to ubuntu about
15:27<sebastian_>1,5 years ago
15:28<freebeer>That's a popular first step. And then on to the real stuff...
15:28<sebastian_>now i try a littel
15:28<sebastian_>with a new distro
15:29<Pablo-->how install battery indicator , debian9
15:29<Pablo-->xfce
15:29<sebastian_>what do you reagd as real stuff?=
15:29<freebeer>Good idea. Keep experimenting and learning.
15:30<freebeer>xfce battery indicator? No idea. Instll one of the dock widgets?
15:30<Pablo-->something to indicate battery
15:30<Pablo-->or from bash
15:31<Korak>xfce you should be able to right click on the panel and add the battery widget
15:31<freebeer>Trying out different distros, you'll learn that Debian is the underlying structure. So why choose a knock-off when you can have the real thing?
15:32<Pablo-->let me see, usually I use without X , from cli , only sometime I start x
15:32<Pablo-->session locked
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15:33<Pablo-->some packet as lm-sensors
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15:33<freebeer>He. We'll have to wait for sebastian to rejoin ;)
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15:35<blast007>Pablo--: did you add the Battery Monitor to the xfce panel?
15:35<Pablo-->session locked
15:36<blast007>meaning what? you need to enter your password?
15:36<Pablo-->I don't know
15:36<Pablo-->I know pass, but it's lock
15:36<blast007>well how do you normally get into your xfce?
15:36<Pablo-->you'll rebirect to unlocked windows in few second
15:37<Pablo-->but it remains locked
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15:37<Pablo-->blast007: I go out to tty before, now X is locked
15:38<Pablo-->I believe to explain me
15:39<freebeer>Leaving. Gotta tend to my 3D-printer. See ya.
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15:39<Pablo-->ctrl + alt + f7 = there is written locked...
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15:39<Pablo-->it's not save screen
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15:39<jhutchins_wk>!es
15:39<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
15:40<jhutchins_wk>Pablo--: Should be able to wake it up with the escape key.
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15:41<blast007>inkbottle: this was posted after you asked your question here: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-1000251
15:42<Pablo-->jhutchins_wk: ok , but why it told me: you'll redirect to another windows...
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15:43<Pablo-->ok, xfce is full of gadget top right of screen
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15:53<inkbottle>blast007: thanks
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15:56<inkbottle>blast007: OK, it's exactly what I was looking for; I couldn't find the info on git.kernel.org all by myself; so I can see it's fixed upstream and hence the patch should be available very soon
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16:06<FreeItConsultant>Hi, Software app crashes just when it opens, where to look for a solution, log, ? :stretch 64-bit
16:06<towo-kvm>start it from terminal, look what's happen
16:07<FreeItConsultant>ok
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16:11<FreeItConsultant>gnome-software direct from Alt+F2, same result
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16:12<towo-kvm>alt+f2 is not a terminal
16:12<towo-kvm>you will see nothing
16:13<FreeItConsultant>towo-kvm: sorry, direct from CLI, same result
16:13<FreeItConsultant>it just appear (Nothing loaded jet) and desappear
16:14<FreeItConsultant>pum !!
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16:15<FreeItConsultant>should I try whit sudo ?
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16:19<FreeItConsultant>I did complete removal and installed, it work. :) thaks for taking the time for helping towo-kvm !
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16:23<Korak>Well, it seems even installing with the unofficial installer that had non-free firmware I still don't have a bootable system. I did get working wifi during the install though, so that was an improvement.
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16:24<Korak>I was kind of worried before I even started that this APU was going to give me problems.
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16:29<Korak>any other suggestions before I give up and try something else on this machine?
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16:30<towo-kvm>"not bootable" is saying what exact?
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16:32<Korak>towo-kvm: The video crashes during bootup as soon as the UEFI hands it over to the OS. I have an APU that seems to have issues with the firmware
16:32<towo-kvm>which apu?
16:33<Korak>A10-9600P Radeon R5
16:33<towo-kvm>should not be a problem with stretch
16:33<jhutchins_wk>GPU perhaps?
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16:35<Korak>towo-kvm: after fresh install it will not get to the login screen, although the system does seem to boot, the video freezes but HDD activity light keeps flashing and I can press the power button and it will shut down.
16:36<Korak>told it to use xfce for my desktop, don't feel like that should really matter though.
16:36<towo-kvm>Korak, you have more than one display connector?
16:37<towo-kvm>sounds like the graphics output goes to the wrong output
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16:37<jhutchins_wk>This is one of the reasons I don't like the trend toward hiding boot messages.
16:37<Korak>towo-kvm: This is on a hp laptop, I have built in display and an HDMI out. The main display will get some artifacts on it when it stops working
16:38<jhutchins_wk>Korak: You tried booting in rescue mode, right?
16:38<jhutchins_wk>Korak: Is there another machine (smart phone?) you can try to ssh to it?
16:39<Korak>jhutchins_wk: When I booted to rescue mode it froze at a line saying something about switching from EFI VGA to amdgpudrmfb
16:39<jhutchins_wk>!nokms
16:39<jhutchins_wk>!kms
16:39<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting
16:39<jhutchins_wk>Korak: Try nomodeset
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16:39<Korak>I like a dumby forgot to check the box to install ssh server
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16:43<Korak>jhutchins_wk: I tried some nobodeset thing in grub a while back, stupid irc thing I am on cleared old chat so I can't tell exactly what it was. I don't know how to edit those files though considering I can't boot to the OS
16:44<jhutchins_wk>Korak: So you don't even get the grub menu?
16:45<Korak>jhutchins_wk: I can get the grub menu, I see that and the first little bit of bootup
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16:46<towo-kvm>i would try to boot the system with module.blacklist=amdgpu
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16:46<jhutchins_wk>Korak: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/
16:46<towo-kvm>i don't think debians 4.9 kernel can handle this apu correct with amdgpu, it should driven by radeon
16:47<jhutchins_wk>towo-kvm: What's the web site that lists the xorg drivers?
16:47<towo-kvm>he has not a problem with x in this momnet
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16:48<jhutchins_wk>towo-kvm: Right, it's the kernel module.
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16:48<towo-kvm>and amdgpu for an a10 r5 sounds wrong
16:49<towo-kvm>amdgpu officialy only supports VI GPU
16:50<jhutchins_wk>gfxbench.com benchmarked it in Linux, so there must be a way.
16:50<jhutchins_wk>https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=gfx40&D1=AMD+A10-9600P+RADEON+R5%2C+10+COMPUTE+CORES+4C%2B6G&os1=Linux&api1=gl&hwtype1=iGPU&hwname1=AMD+Carrizo
16:51<towo-kvm>sure, should be work with radeon without any problem
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16:51<towo-kvm>but if amdgpu is loaded, radeon can't work
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16:53<Korak>jhutchins_wk: Well, just knowing someone got it working on linux is great news, I really really really didn't want to go back to windows 10
16:55<Kuroko>Hello, I've set my keyboard to us with dead keys, and it's working as expected except with the console
16:55<Kuroko>dead keys are simply ignored in the console, that means I can't use tilde, etc
16:55<jhutchins_wk>Korak: It sounds like it's trying to go into framebuffer mode, which it won't if you use nomodeset or module.blacklist=amdgpu
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16:56<Korak>jhutchins_wk: in grub I hit e to go into edit and added the module.blacklist=amdgpu and I get the same result
16:57<towo-kvm>jhutchins_wk, even with module.blacklist=amdgpu is should indeed go to framebuffer
16:57<towo-kvm>it should use then radeon
16:57<jhutchins_wk>Korak: Try nomodeset instead then.
16:58<towo-kvm>and another posible cause could be efi
16:58<jhutchins_wk>I'm out.
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16:58<towo-kvm>and nomodeset would not be a solution, since x needs kms
16:59<Korak>when I try nomodeset I get a "command not found" error
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17:07<Korak>Well, thanks for the help, I think I have an idea of the direction I need to go.
17:07<Kir>btw why do some people here still use Jesse instead of Stretch? any benefits of doing that?
17:07<Korak>for now I have got to shutdown and go home, then I will fight with this later tonight
17:08<dboles> Kir: yes, having their tried and tested system continuing to work how it already did, if it was working fine and they don't need to upgrade
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17:08<Kir>Makes sense, yeah
17:08<dboles>though of course, Debian aims to be so stable that upgrading should be effortless :)
17:08<Korak>Kir: From what I have seen there are still quite a few packages that are not in the new version.
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17:10<annadane>some people use jessie because they're running servers and it takes a while to back everything up and ensure a smooth upgrade
17:10<annadane>it's still supported for a while
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17:13<Kir>Korak: that's a good point, thanks
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17:13<Kir>I'm a... forgot the expression.. I'm a "shiny new things" person :P
17:13<Kir>so I'm on Testing now
17:14<Kir>By the way, when I'm on Testing but I don't encounter any bugs at all with anything, I don't contribute to making Debian better right?:P
17:14<Gaius>lol
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17:22<Kir>When I install a package downloaded from a website (not debian.org) but it is in repository too, does it get updated with apt update?
17:22<Kir>erm apt upgrade
17:22<Kir>For example, when I install Citrix Receiver from Citrix website but Debian has icaclient package in repo
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17:24<Gaius>I doubt it, even if the package name is the same like in the repository ... because it's not signed with the proper key
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17:25<Gaius>Why would you do that anyway, if the package is available from a Debian repository?
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17:27<dboles>no, because apt won't know anything about it
17:28<Kir>Ah, thanks
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17:29<Kir>well, 5 Debian re-installs ago I had no idea that Citrix is in repo, I downloaded .deb from Citrix website and installed
17:29<Kir>only like 3 days ago I hit "apt search citrix" and was in a suprise ;)
17:29<Kir>No worries, this time I got it right
17:30<Gaius>:)
17:30<Kir>Plus, I wondered that was the Linux equivalent of Windows' registry
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17:30<dboles>that tends to be specific to the desktop environment you're using
17:31<Gaius>"5 reinstalls ago" ... sounds like you've had an interesting month :D
17:31<Kir>e.g. applications being registered somewhere, so that apps are, I don't know, more integrated?:P
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17:31<dboles>e.g. dconf is the GNOME backend for the GSettings abstraction, and on Windows that just maps to the registry
17:31<Kir>Haha
17:32<Kir>Yes I had 3 reinstalls just this month :)
17:32<dboles>Kir: for apps, things are more standardised; see e.g. /usr/share/applications and equivalent folders, and the .desktop files therein
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17:32<dboles>see https://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/index.html#introduction
17:32<Kir>But I don't mind, I actually enjoy setting up everything from the start :P then again, I don't go too far really, just change desktop layout plus some commands
17:33<Kir>This time I made a text file listing instructions what I need to do after Debian fresh install heh
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17:34<Gaius>a backup right after having done the most basic configs after a fresh install might come in handy
17:34<Kir>oh, right, I need to get into that some day
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17:34<Kir>how does it work? the whole system is saved as an image?
17:34<Kir>with an app?
17:36<Kir>dang I have too many habits from Windows. Btw I tend to learn much more when I'm dealing with something, fixing etc rather than reading/listening, I wish I had some Debian problems that would let me learn more about system lol
17:36<Kir>right now everything works smoothly with no problems so far :p
17:36<Gaius>are you on Stretch?
17:37<Kir>Yes
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17:37<ian_>hello
17:37<Kir>Sorry, I'm on Buster
17:37<Kir>Testing
17:37<Kir>My bad
17:37<ian_>np
17:38<Kir>Telling that to Gaius :)
17:38<ian_>lol
17:39<Gaius>I've always liked stable versions ... that way I know it's my mistake if something goes belly-up, not some yet undiscovered bug
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17:47<dani>ciao e buna sera
17:48<sney>!it
17:48<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:48<dani>it
17:48<dani>ok scusa
17:49<somiaj>!don't break debian
17:49<dpkg>i guess dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
17:49<somiaj>Kir: ^^ you may want to read that.
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17:51<dboles>Gaius: but of course, maybe it was undiscovered, and you just discovered it :)
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17:51<Gaius>haha, fat chance of that
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17:54<dboles>i've been surprised at what i find in a number of projects (free and proprietary), and wondered if i'm really some kind of natural born software tester, or just everyone else is barely using them :P
17:55<Gaius>maybe you have a knack
17:56<dboles>i think i just sit doing the same mundane things for 500% longer than everyone else, so i get the bug coverage that way, haha
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17:56<Gaius>that's why I always use stable ... that way, I can be 99.99% sure it's my bad, not the OS's or the software's
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17:57<Gaius>of course, on a WinBox, I know where the fault lies :D
17:57<Gaius>always
17:57<Pablo-->repository deb. 8.2 ?
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17:58<somiaj>Pablo--: there is none. Debian 8 is jessie, and you can get the most current packages in jessie (which is 8.9) from there
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17:58<somiaj>Pablo--: in most cases you want to be using the most current packages in jessie, so just use the jessie sources and it will automatically upgrade all your packages to 8.9 (only bug and security fixes are introduced)
17:58<Pablo-->somiaj: repository 8.9 ?
17:58<somiaj>!jessie sources.list
17:58<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
17:59<Pablo-->/etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/
17:59<Pablo--> jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see
17:59<Pablo--> <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
17:59<Pablo-->excuse me
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18:01<Gaius>somiaj, that's a useful bot. How do I access the list of stored commands?
18:02<sney>!search dpkg
18:02<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at http://crito.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
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18:02<dboles>see https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot
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18:02<somiaj>Gaius: you can also do this all in a /msg, /msg dpkg factoid
18:02<Gaius>thx sney
18:02<sney>np
18:03<Gaius>ok somiaj, thx
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18:05<Kir>Thanks somiaj :)
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18:07<Gaius> /msg dpkg factoid
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18:09<Kir>Cya tomorrow guys, gnite
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18:39<annadane>what would be a truly minimal install? policykit-1 and what else? or is that included in standard system utilities
18:43<annadane>minimal install with standard utilities, i should say
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18:56<b17>annadane: why polkit?
18:57<annadane>why not polkit? i assumed it was necessary
18:58<b17>never use it on wm system like fluxbox, openbox, etc.
18:58<b17>i never use it that is
18:58<b17>trying to get rid of dbus too but it's tricky
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19:02<b17>avoiding things like dbus, polkit, samba and all that is a full time job
19:03<somiaj>!standard
19:03<dpkg>hmm... standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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19:03<somiaj>annadane: that is the minimial in terms of it should be installed, you can get smaller with debootstrap and removing some stuff you may not use, but really that is fairly minimial
19:03<somiaj>I consider debootstrap a minimial install, but some stuff can be removed if you really want to.
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19:14<b17>beware: once you go minimal there;s no return
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19:44<magyar>hi, is there a screensaver for kde in stretch ?
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22:30<rjsalts>magyar: doesn't appear to have one
22:30<rjsalts>magyar: just the plain lock screen
22:32<rjsalts>magyar: https://plus.google.com/+SasaRakezic/posts/bcyNtUwHZBq
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22:34<rjsalts>magyar: looks like the old screensaver method had bypasses that were easy to achieve, so they rewrote it, but didn't implement the fancy animations yet
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23:25<magicnate>hello
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23:36<twb>Say I want to fuse mount a squashfs disk image over HTTP, using range requests to fetch blocks as needed.
23:36<twb>Is curlftpfs still the only way to do this? It looks like that project is dead since 2007
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23:44<themill>dead? 'ees just restin'
23:44<annadane>ees pinin' for the fjords
23:45<annadane>"this is not a monty python asinine quotation channel. this is a debian support channel. if you want to quote python go to..."
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23:51*mnuhmnuh "That's not an argument! You're just disagreeing with me." "No I'm not!"
23:52<annadane>top quality support, guys
23:52<twb>rmadison confirms no change since squeeze (2011), which is as far back as history goes
23:53<twb>>boggle<, grub2 requires libfuse
23:54<mnuhmnuh>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/curlftpfs
23:55<twb>BTW the reason I want to use HTTP instead of iSCSI/AOE/NFS is that HTTP load balancing is pretty mature and iSCSI looks scary and complicated
23:56<twb>curlftpfs did work for booting Debian Live way back in wheezy, before dba threw his toys out of the pram
23:57<twb>There's gvfs-fuse I suppose, but I don't really want to have to embed giant swathes of gnome into the ramdisk
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23:59<twb>I suppose I could "simply" write my own fuse module for this, but bleh
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