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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-09-13

---Logopened Wed Sep 13 00:00:55 2017
00:01<twb>https://www.stavros.io/posts/python-fuse-filesystem/
00:04<twb>Hrm. Really I want to provide an HTTP-backed block device, not really a whole filesystem
00:04<twb>doing it as a filesystem with a single file that then gets loopback-mounted is a bit weird, but would work
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00:54<Micky>hi
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06:39<Megaf>Folks, I will try to install Debian here using debootstrap, I might get into some issues, anyone here who can help me should I need assistance?
06:41<jm_>how could we answer that for all the possible problems that can show up?
06:42<Megaf>I think I will just have problem installing grub
06:42<Megaf>Right now I'm partitioning
06:43<jm_>wait, you're using debootstrap to install on a system meant for booting?
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06:43<Megaf>yep
06:43<jm_>why?
06:43<Megaf>I will just use KVM
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06:44<Megaf>jm_, because I'm installing on a USB disk, and I have nowhere to boot from to install there
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06:44<grawity>isn't that part of the "install debian from another linux" instructions, anyway?
06:44<Megaf>yep
06:45<jm_>Megaf: debian-live not good enough for that purpose?
06:45<Megaf>it doesnt actually help much, it'd be much easier if I just use kvm
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06:48<Megaf>kvm -M q35 -cpu host -smp 2 -m 2048M -hda /dev/sdb -cdrom /dev/shm/Debian_Jessie_i386_NetInst.iso -net user,hostfwd=tcp::10022-:22 -net nic
06:48<Megaf>this will work, done that years ago, should still work
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06:48<Paul-->hello
06:48<Paul-->!nvidia
06:48<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
06:48<jm_>why not stretch? :)
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06:49<Paul-->nvidia hdmi ?
06:50<Megaf>jm_, I will be using it on old laptops
06:51<Megaf>I just need it for libreoffice
06:51<Paul-->how set gpu audio output hdmi from nvidia? alsamixer see the card, but it's impossible set it
06:51<Megaf>and some light coding
06:51<Megaf>Paul--, what DE?
06:51<jm_>Paul--: as the default?
06:51<Paul-->xfce
06:51<jm_>!default sound card
06:51<dpkg>Use the /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc configuration files to set your default sound card. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards for more information. You can also configure it in pavucontrol if you are using PulseAudio.
06:51<Megaf>Paul--, you better install pulseaudio settings stuff
06:52<Megaf>you can select your output there
06:52<jm_>yeah probably go using PA and the above tool
06:52<Megaf>but often you cant adjust the volume for hdmi
06:52<Paul-->./asoundrc don't exist here
06:53<jm_>it's ~/.asoundrc and yes, it does not exist by default, really, try using PA first
06:53<jm_>if you knew how to do it via .asoundrc you wouldn't be asking us anyway
06:54<Paul-->don't exist .asoundrc here
06:54<Paul-->and under root dir too
06:54<Megaf>Paul--, install paman paprefs pavucontrol
06:54<Megaf>and use those programs to set up your card
06:54<Megaf>Paul--, they will be in the applications menu, all clicking with the mouse, straight forward
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06:56<petn-randall>If you use pulseaudio _don't_ set anything with .asoundrc, that will just break things. Usually it can all be configured with pulseaudio without any touching of config files.
06:57<Paul-->pulseaudio in a server/client program ?
06:57<Paul-->it ask me to connect
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06:58<petn-randall>Paul--: What asks you to connect?
06:58<Paul-->pulse audio manager
06:58<Paul-->down is a botton, connect
07:00<Megaf>so since I'm installing Debian on USB, I will encrypt my home partition, which one would be the safest? aes, blowfish, serpent or twofish
07:02<navi>hello to everyone. I have a lenovo z500 laptop with debian 9.1
07:02<Megaf>good
07:02<Megaf>do you want to give it to me for free?
07:03<navi>each time it boots, before the login window appears it gives me errors about a patch file or something about bluetooth (atheros)
07:03<navi>Megaf: lol
07:04<navi>where can I find the logs about that error message?
07:04<navi>I'd like to fix it if possible
07:04<Megaf>dmesg | grep tooth
07:04<Megaf>as root
07:04<Megaf>its complaining about a missing firmware
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07:05<navi>what should I see in the output of the command?
07:05<Megaf>navi, just install firmware-linux-free and firmware-atheros
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07:05<Megaf>navi, you should see the message of it complaing about missing firmware
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07:06<navi>ok I've installed those packages
07:06<navi>I'll reboot to see if the problem is fixed
07:07<navi>back in 30 seconds :D with my OCZ SSD
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07:08<navi>I'm back and no more error messages
07:08<Megaf>That tool almost one minute
07:08<navi>Megaf: thank you :)
07:08<Megaf>navi, cool, glad I could help.
07:09<navi>Anyway I'm willing to sell my laptop :)
07:09<Megaf>I new that because I have an atheros bluetooth too
07:09<Megaf>knew*
07:09<navi>in a week I'll have a macbook pro 15" with touchbar and touch id
07:10<Megaf>I'd recommend the non touchbar
07:10<navi>this laptop will be kinda "thrash computer" where I experiment new OSes
07:10<Megaf>or even an older macbook pro
07:10<Megaf>one from circa 2010
07:10<navi>it's a gift so I have no choice :D
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07:11<Megaf>ah
07:11<Megaf>ok
07:11<Megaf>In that case it's perfect
07:11<Megaf>navi, ^
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07:12<morfheus>!list
07:12<dpkg>morfheus: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
07:12<morfheus>ciao
07:13<Paul-->hello
07:13<Megaf>hey morfheus
07:13<Megaf>!list
07:13<dpkg>megaf: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
07:13<Paul-->another italian here
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07:13<Megaf>why is dpkg speaking Italian now?
07:14<Megaf>io no parlo Italiano
07:14<jm_>because !list is only used by italians
07:14<Paul-->maybe is a bot led froma italian ?
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07:14<Megaf>jm_, what would a non Italian use?
07:14<Paul-->no, list = lista
07:15<Megaf>!list
07:15<dpkg>megaf: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
07:15<Paul-->!list
07:15<jm_>Megaf: no-one else joins the channel and does "!list" as first thing, maybe they all use the same script or whatever
07:15<Paul-->!list
07:15<dpkg>paul--: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
07:15<Megaf>that's weird, but ok
07:16<Megaf>installing base system on my USB drive now, I went with AES 256 bit, hopefully that's safe enough, for some college homework at least...
07:16<Megaf>gonna make some coffee, brb
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07:24<xormor>why does Debian MATE close the upper right hand corner volume taskbar icon? It disappears.
07:24<xormor>how do I put it back there without rebooting?
07:26<Kir>what's a good pdf reader?
07:26<RichiH>okular
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07:26<Kir>sounds like it has something to do with KDE ?
07:27<Kir>btw, KDE comes with stuff like Konqueror, Krusader etc, do these apps work well under desktop environments other than KDE ?
07:29<Kir>Ok I'm choosing something lightweight here
07:30<Kir>Okular = 219MB disk space
07:30<Kir>qpdfview = 2.1 MB disk space
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07:32<jm_>Kir: I use mupdf
07:32<Kir>Okay
07:33<Walex>Kir: all KDE apps work well in other X11 environments
07:33<Walex>Kir: in particular most environments use XDG standard to interoperate
07:33<Walex>but XDG standards sometimes are just stupid, but hey, whatever
07:34<Kir>Thanks for thorough explanation
07:34<Walex>Kir: not that thorough
07:36<Megaf>[12:26:00] <Kir> what's a good pdf reader?
07:36<Megaf>ah
07:36<Megaf>evince?
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07:37<Megaf>Atril works very well
07:37<Megaf>it's quite small too
07:37<Megaf>it's MATEs default
07:37<Walex>Kir: for example the "bigger" environments comes with several daemons, so if you start one of their applications, in practice the whole desktop environment starts too
07:38<Megaf>xormor, I don't understand your issue
07:38<Walex>Kir: I guess most people don't understand what a desktop environment is, sometime many desktop environment developers dont either. :-)
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07:39<Megaf>Walex, Windows 3.x and 9.x are desktop environments.
07:39<Megaf>:P
07:39<Megaf>And they rely on their own display server/composer
07:40<Megaf>Like DEs today on Wayland.
07:40<Kir>well, I've got a light OCD :P so I like to have apps that come from relevant DEs
07:40<Kir>like Evince comes from Gnome, Atril from MATE
07:40<Megaf>Kir, I have the same
07:40<Kir>according to what I just read on Debian.org :p
07:40<Megaf>that's why here almost all my default apps are MATE
07:40<Kir>Only thing I miss in qpdfviewer is the scrollbar :(
07:41<Kir>Aha you using MATE?
07:41<Kir>Mhm :) I understand you
07:41<Kir>I checked KDE, MATE, XFCE, Cinnamon
07:41<Kir>I liked MATE & XFCE the most
07:41<Megaf>XFCE is not quite desktop ready for the end user
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07:41<Kir>but I couldn't get a favorable theme colors in MATE so I went with LXDE
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07:42<Megaf>MATE is mature, has a nice network stack
07:42<Megaf>it works well
07:42<Paul-->!runlevel
07:42<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (there are no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>.
07:42<Kir>LXDE is comparable in lightness with MATE but I think LXDE even though lighter, is easier to set up color-wise
07:42<Kir>In MATE there is not color tab since GTK+3
07:42<Paul-->how to set runlevel to txt mode ?
07:42<Megaf>LXDE it too incomplete for a true workstation DE
07:42<Paul-->I must esc from X
07:42<Megaf>Paul--, what do you want to do?
07:42<Kir>Can I ask you to elaborate on "incomplete" ?
07:43<Paul-->install nvidia pro. drivers
07:43<Megaf>Kir, it's more complicated to access shared folders for example
07:43<Megaf>and share folders
07:43<Megaf>so things you do in an officer
07:43<Paul-->reboot in txt modem
07:43<Paul-->runlevel 3
07:43<Kir>Oh
07:43<Kir>Well I work from home via Firefox+Citrix
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07:44<Megaf>Paul--, /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop, or lightdm stop, or sddm stop, depends on if you are using gnome, lxde or kde
07:45<Paul-->xfce ?
07:45<Megaf>lighdm
07:45<Megaf>lightdm*
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07:45<Megaf>he got it
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07:50<pablo>hello
07:51<pablo>how disable nouveau module in kernel ?
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07:51<Paul-->how disable nouveau module in kernel ?
07:51<towo-kvm>Paul--, blaicklist it
07:51<towo-kvm>*blacklist
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07:53<Megaf>Paul--, create a file named /etc/modproble.d/nouveau-blacklist.conf with the text blacklist nouveau inside
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07:53<Megaf>can anyone confirm that please? I'm not sure if I wrote all right
07:54<Paul-->links -g is not evil to surf :)
07:54<Paul-->links2 -g is not evil to surf :)
07:54<towo-kvm>the fastest way would be echo blacklist nouveau > /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-blacklist.conf
07:55<towo-kvm>after that, update-initramfs -u -k all
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07:58<Megaf>towo-kvm, since you are there and you have kvm in your name, how can I run a text only install of Debian on KVM host, without X and see the console?
07:58<Megaf>of the guest
07:59<towo-kvm>i don't understand you question really
07:59<towo-kvm>boot the installer, choose text install at grub
07:59<towo-kvm>where is the problem?
08:00<Megaf>towo-kvm, basically I'd like to run qemu from a terminal only thing, lets say, SSH, and see the console from the guest
08:00<Megaf>all without X
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08:00<towo-kvm>again, whre is the problem?
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08:01<towo-kvm>or you mean, you want to run qemu from a system without x?
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08:01<cpaelzer>Megaf: "-curses" as qemu option?
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08:02<Megaf>cpaelzer, lol, that works, thanks
08:02<Megaf>and how do I manage that now? Like, grap and release keyboard and close kvm
08:03<Megaf>ctrl alt 2 is not swithing to qemu console
08:03<cpaelzer>https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14165158/how-to-switch-to-qemu-monitor-console-when-running-with-curses
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08:03<Megaf>fair enough
08:04<cpaelzer>I honestyl prefer libvirt where you can do "virsh console" and drop off, but you said you want to cmd-line start your qemu right?
08:05<Megaf>yep, so I dont have to install more stuff and can do all over ssh
08:05<Megaf>but like, I cant install Debian still using -curses, it just says 640x480 graphics mode
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08:07<Paul-->hello
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08:07<Megaf>so, nvidia working?
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08:08<blast007>Megaf: at least with libvirt, I've installed Debian on KVM using a serial console
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08:09<Megaf>ok
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08:09<Paul-->hello
08:09<Megaf>well, I just finished installing Debian minimal on my USB using KVM, will try to boot from it and set it up
08:09<Megaf>cya
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08:10<Paul-->now system chars in x are too much little
08:11<Paul-->resolution unchanged
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08:19<Kir>Weird thing.. I formatted a usb stick in windows with FAT32, I copied some data to it under Debian, then when I plug it in windows, it's asking to format the stick
08:20<blast007>do the files still show up in Debian?
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08:21<Kir>it now fails to auto-mount in Debian
08:22<blast007>did you have anything important on that flash drive?
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08:24<Anarka>you guys were talking about serial consoles in libvirt a few mins ago... any idea how to change virtual consoles under virsh console ?
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08:25<blast007>Anarka: I'd think you wouldn't have multiple with a serial console, but you could run a screen or tmux instance instead
08:26<Anarka>yeah but here is if im installing debian and something goes wrong and i need to check syslog
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08:27<Kir>blast007, nothing important
08:27<Kir>it was a copy
08:27<Kir>I didn't move data to it, only copied
08:27<Kir>so I don't lose anything
08:27<Kir>I just wanna move some data between computers
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08:28<blast007>Kir: I guess try it again. Make sure you're safely ejecting/unmounting the device before removing it from either machine
08:28<Kir>well, I'll try my other external hdd
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08:28<Kir>ah, I just unplug it heh, didn't know it could pose such a problem
08:28<Kir>thanks
08:28<Anarka>:)
08:28<Kir>well, don't worry guys, I'll just try a different drive for now and later I'll try to figure out the problem with this penstick myself :)
08:28<blast007>things get cached, so safely ejecting ensures it writes the caches out to the stick and also that nothing it still in use
08:29<blast007>and FAT32 is easier to break than say, NTFS or ext3/4
08:30<cpaelzer>Anarka: you can use the monitor to "sendkey ctrl-alt-f1"
08:31<cpaelzer>Anarka: http://blog.vmsplice.net/2011/03/how-to-access-qemu-monitor-through.html for the mon and https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMU/Monitor#sendkey_keys for the sendkey
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08:33<Paul-->hello
08:34<Anarka>cpaelzer: ohh tnx, ill check that out :)
08:34<Paul-->how set chars dimension under x ? Mine are too much little, invisible
08:35<Paul-->!x
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08:38<Anarka>if its gnome cant you change the font size or dpi under gnome-tweak-tool ?
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08:38<Anarka>cant check now...
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08:48<Walex>Anarka: yes, that's the right place
08:49<Walex>Anarka: one of several :-)
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08:49<Anarka>Walex: tnx, it was for Paul--
08:49<Walex>Paul--: I have a long delayed blog post about this, the draft is here:
08:50<Walex>Paul--: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/drafts2.html?140228b#140228b
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08:51<Paul-->ok solved
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08:51<Paul-->this channel is a gold rood of debian hackers
08:51<Paul-->incredible
08:51<Paul-->here and freenode
08:52<Paul-->now I have nvidia drivers, more fast than noveanu
08:52<Paul-->expercially from virtualization
08:53<Kir>yeah, I also noticed, people are very very helpful here, I already learnt a few tricks about Debian since I joined 2 days ago :)
08:53<Walex>Paul--: if you used 'gnome-tweak-tool' that only affects GNOME applications, there are quite a few other places you need to set it (X server, RANDR, ...)
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10:23<Kir>If I switch from LXDE to MATE, is there one LXDE package that, if removed, will remove all stuff from LXDE without leaving unneeded files behind?
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10:24<Kir>I know there's one metapackage 'lxde'
10:24<somiaj>Kir: depends on how you installed lxde and what other stuff you have no your system. But if you used the tasksel or metapackage and everything else was auto isntalled, then it should remove the stuff that nothing else on your system uses.
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10:24<somiaj>you can of course have lxde and mate livign on the same harddrive, just takes up disk space
10:25<Kir>hm okay, I'll keep both for a time being
10:25<Kir>I installed LXDE only by choosing it at fresh Debian install
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10:31<somiaj>Kir: then it installed a task meta package, something like task-desktop-lxde
10:32<somiaj>it is task-lxde-desktop -- that is probably the metapackage you can remove to remove most of lxde (depending on anything else you have manually isntalled)
10:34<Kir>I didn't install anything LXDE related manually
10:34<Kir>Thanks for help somiaj
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10:36<Kir>So, analogically I should install task-mate-desktop if I want to have MATE related stuff which would install normally if I chose MATE at Debian Installer right?
10:37<Kir>It's so great that people made these metapackages, saves a lot of time :D
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10:41<Kir>wow installing KDE means 713 packages
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13:49<mdh>hello is there anybody who can help me with a situation during my parrot os booting up issue?
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13:50<mdh>i had upgraded my system to version 4.12 from 4.11
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13:51<blast007>!parrot
13:51<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:51<towo-kvm>mdh, this is #debian, not #parrot
13:51<mdh>I couldn't find #parrot here, so I reached here.
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13:52<mdh>Anyways thank you for your replies
13:52<blast007>join the IRC network that dpkg mentioned
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13:52<mdh>okay good.
13:53<mdh>blast007 - okay good.
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16:08<Kir>Hi
16:09<Kir>How do I get Compiz to work with Debian MATE?
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16:09<Kir>I installed packages: compiz-mate with all dependencies
16:09<Kir>But I don't have any compiz config launcher in the menu or anything
16:10<Kir>when I run compiz --replace, it says I don't have text plugin
16:10<Kir>and by the way - what is the default DM for MATE? gdm?
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18:13<mplavsic>hey there guys, I need some help. I installed debian in a very minimal way: i didn't check any boxes during the installation. Afterwards I installed kde-plasma-desktop and some other programs that I needed. The problem is that i cannot create any /lib/firmware folder and copy my drivers there, hence I cannot load any non-free firmware. Since I did not check "system utilities", I think thiat I should install a specific utility. I
18:13<mplavsic>googled to find a solution, but nothing helped me. Could any of you please help me? Thank you very much!
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18:18<coruja>what prevents you from creating /lib/firmware?
18:19<mplavsic>i don't know, even with sudo it is not possible
18:20<coruja>error message?
18:20<mplavsic>with cd /lib/firmware: bash: cd: /lib/firmware: Not a directory
18:20<coruja>how did you try to create?
18:20<mplavsic>with mkdir: mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/lib/firmware’: File exists
18:21<amacater>mkdir -p /lib/firmware might work
18:21<amacater>OK - what does file /lib/firmware return
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18:21<mplavsic>also adding -p doesn't work
18:22<coruja>/lib/firmware _should_ be a directory
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18:22<mplavsic>returns /lib/firmware: data
18:23<mplavsic>I just installed kde plasma without creating any mess
18:23<mplavsic>This is weird
18:24<coruja>maybe try to move that file outt of the way with 'mv /lib/firmware /lib/firmware.data' e.g.
18:24<coruja>-t
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18:25<Kir>Hi
18:25<mplavsic>coruja, it worked
18:25<mplavsic>now I can access the folder
18:25<coruja>apt-file returns no hit for /lib/firmware
18:26<mplavsic>I will try and see if Debian can load the firmware! I'll be back in 5 to tell you, thank you very much!
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18:28<Brigo>mplavsic, maybe is it a file?
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18:33<mplavsic>My wifi-card has been loaded! Thank you coruja!
18:33<coruja>you're welcome
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18:54<mariangel_>hola
18:55<mariangel>hola
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19:01<annadane>!es
19:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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19:08<somiaj>annadane: missed them
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19:20<idts>pop quiz, just resurected an old system running jessie
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19:20<idts>everytime i run x the status bar of my irc client disapear
19:21<idts>x is changing the console size and how do i prevent that
19:24<somiaj>what driver are you using? It might have to do with the kms drivers or how modsetting is being used
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19:24<idts>what driver let me see vesa driver am sure
19:25<idts>note i dont have an xorg.conf and i like it like that
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19:27<idts>this affect every tty on the system even after x exited
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19:41<idts>somiaj:(EE) Failed to load module "modesetting"
19:42<idts>and KMS not enabled, there you go
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20:38<VR>Could anyone give me some pointers/URLs about how IRC works? Eventually I want to try coding one for myself, just for the fun of it, mas I don't even know how hard that would be
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20:46<rob_debian>Hi all
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20:54<m1n>is this the preferred irc network for debian? :D
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20:56<sdk>m1n: https://wiki.debian.org/IRC
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21:07<m1n>cooool thanks
21:08<m1n>I don't run any debian. I'm sorry :(
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21:09<VR>Considering usage resource (the less the better) and usability (the less time I have to spend skimming manuals the better, what would be a good IRC client? A daemon-like thing that I can just connect the frontend when I want to interact actively with it?
21:10<VR>I'm looking into Weechat, but as someone who only have experience with basic Hexchat usage, I'm kind lost. Pointers in the right direction are very appreciate
21:11<m1n>I use weechat inside tmux, and it works quite well and is fairly easy to use.
21:12<m1n>I am coming from irssi as my first client, so maybe I am not the best person to hand out advice in this area. I would assume hexchat can stay connected in the background, though. Good luck, VR !
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21:15<sdk>VR: if you prefer to use a GUI-like client like Hexchat, maybe you can set up an IRC bouncer like ZNC. That way you can close Hexchat and stay connected.
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21:16<m1n>VR: one thing that took me about 15-20 minutes to figure out the first time I was using weechat is that you add a server like: /server add oftc irc.oftc.net/6697 -ssl (you don't have to use ssl, but 6697 is the port and it's an ssl port). Then you can either make it autostart, or you can now do /connect oftc and you're all set :) just make sure you run it in tmux so that you can detatch
21:16<m1n>it.
21:18<sdk>or screen #flamewars ;)
21:19<m1n>wat. just trying to help ._. don't flame me
21:20<sdk>don't worry I too prefer tmux.
21:21<m1n>oh you mean screen. Yeah use screen if you want to.
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21:40<VR>sdk and other, I had read about ZNC, but it seemed kinda over my head. Can I run an instancee of ZNC on my own computer?
21:41<VR>and any noobie guides around for it? I don't understand too much how IRC works, in general, other than doing //join
21:44<sdk>VR: https://wiki.znc.in/Installation and https://wiki.debian.org/ZNC_IRC_bouncer
21:45<sdk>I run ZNC on my raspberry pi so I didn't try myself but it should work on your own computer.
21:45<m1n>other :( one can lead a horse to water, but then he or she will simply be referred to as "other"
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21:51<VR>sdk: that seems promising. I'm on elementaryOS though, think that might be a problem?
21:51<m1n>sdk how fast is the PI method? I would think that maybe (especially on a not so hot router) it would be slow..?
21:54<sdk>VR: it shouldn't be a problem.
21:55<sdk>m1n: what do you mean by fast?
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21:58<mnuhmnuh>re: https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer - "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" fails. "wget failed to download ..." ?
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22:00<annadane>mnuhmnuh, post the full output?
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22:03<mnuhmnuh>http://paste.debian.net/985983/
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22:04<sdk>mnuhmnuh & annadane: Is it possible that flashplugin-nonfree is not in the stretch stable repo?
22:05<sdk>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree
22:06<annadane>that's probably it then
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22:09<annadane>though what mnuhmnuh is downloading isn't really from the repository
22:09<annadane>however i haven't read the wiki entry...
22:09<annadane>mnuhmnuh, check the wiki you linked, under "manual update", it describes it there
22:09<sdk>found it https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Manual_update
22:10<annadane>^^
22:10<sdk>:P
22:10<annadane>sorry~
22:10<mnuhmnuh>geez, didn't read far enough, drat.
22:11<annadane>good to know even veterans can be as dumb as i am
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22:14<mnuhmnuh>i prefer lazy over dumb. lazy's often smarter.
22:15<annadane>i happen to be both
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22:22<VR>Is there any equivalent to Google's Sketchup on Linux?
22:22<VR>that focus on the easy of use and rapid iteration of ideas
22:22<VR>i'm no stranger to CAD, but that's overkill
22:23<m1n>blender
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22:24<VR>I'll try, but from screenshots I looks SO MUCH more than what I need
22:24<VR>I mean, I just want draw a table
22:25<m1n>It's definitely more than you need, but it's what ya got because linux. I think there is some web app that sketchup made, but I'd just go with blender honestly
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22:25<m1n>although, it might take a while to get used to blender. If you find something, lemme know. Blender is quite powerful, yeah.. I haven't seen any other viable 3d modelling software
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22:26<VR>m1n: ok, I'll tell you how this goes
22:26<VR>any sugestion on which cad problem? there seem to be lots
22:27<m1n>'cad problem'? Oh are there a lot of new things? I think last I saw scad was launching. I haven't used anything in a little while.
22:27<m1n>open scad?
22:28<VR>cad "program" sorry
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22:28<VR>I'm pretty new to all this
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22:31<m1n>blender is the best (somewhat my opinion, somewhat not :D).. Unless openscad suddenly wooshed past... I saw some more on one of those ad-riddled websites, but like I said, I would go with blender. choose what you want, though
22:31<m1n>by the looks of it, openscad is more for "bearings" and engines.. blender is awesome possum sauceum, though
22:34<m1n>blender actually is also one of the better video editors (or it was). I'm sure that by now (or at least, hopefully) there are some pretty decent video editors for linux
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22:34<m1n>once upon a midnight dreary, blender was the *only* nonlinear video editor I *could* use in linux
22:35<m1n>everything else crashed or was just too awful
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22:38<mnuhmnuh>this flashplugin-nonfree thing's going to cause problems. adobe renamed the file to libpepflashplayer.so; browser confusion, update-alternatives, H264(?), ...
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22:42<m1n>huh.. I remember that from years ago..
22:42<sdk>mnuhmnuh: I just download it and the file name is libflashplayer.so
22:42<mnuhmnuh>sdk: you get the .deb or .tgz?
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22:43<sdk>mnuhmnuh: .tar.gz
22:43<mnuhmnuh>.tar.gz
22:43<mnuhmnuh>flash_player_ppapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz
22:44<sdk>nope the npapi
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22:45<mnuhmnuh>no pep?
22:46<sdk>I can choose npapi or ppapi.
22:47<sdk>https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
22:48<mnuhmnuh>i saw two .tar.gz files listed in dl chooser, but no mention of their difference.
22:48<sdk>hmm
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22:48<mnuhmnuh>one used larger lettering.
22:49<sdk>I don't no what to say :\
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22:53<mnuhmnuh>i'll report back once i try it; when, dunno. :-)
22:54<mnuhmnuh>browser's shouting "Your edit lock on flashplayer has expired!"
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22:56<mnuhmnuh>now just says will expire in 10 min. wtf.
22:57<mnuhmnuh>don't think it was being used.
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23:01<cuchi>ME ABURROO
23:02<cuchi>HOLAA
23:02<cuchi>LALAL
23:02<cuchi>KSKSK
23:02<cuchi>KXKXK
23:02<cuchi>KXKXKX
23:02<cuchi>KXKX
23:02<cuchi>MXX
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23:03<m1n>hello, nincumpoop.
23:04<cuchi>HELLO
23:04<sdk>cuchi: I think you should revise your roman numeral :P
23:04<cuchi>¿¿¿¿¿
23:05<m1n>el dijó que ud. eres un nincumpoop
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23:05<m1n>ud es lo siento, sñr
23:05<cuchi>ABLO ESPAÑOL
23:06<jmcnaught>!es social
23:06<dpkg>social: Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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23:07<cuchi>PERDON
23:07<cuchi>ALGO ENTIENDO
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23:07<cuchi>ABLAN ESPAÑOL
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23:10<cuchi>IAM IRIS
23:10<cuchi>IT IS IRIS 13
23:11<VR>So I tried FreeCAD... the interface is absolutely confusing
23:12<cuchi>¿¿¿
23:12<VR>Doesn't seem worth the effort to learn a completely new software just so I can draw some tables
23:12<VR>I'll draw them by hand
23:12<cuchi>NO ENTIENDO
23:13<cuchi>ABLAS EN ESPAÑOL
23:13<cuchi>¿NOU
23:13<m1n>heh. VR: in blender, you'd probably just create a box by pressing shift+a then cut out smaller section with one or two boxes.. or really by extruding down.. good luck drawing by hand, though. What's it for?
23:14<VR>It's a new floating computer desk
23:15<VR>it has some fancy features, but they're all right or 45 angles
23:15<debiantonio_>i'm stop run Debian 3 years after, tonight Debian live here, stupendous, wonderful,fantastic Debian !! very happy go back :)
23:15<cuchi>COMPUTER YES
23:15<VR>but I'll try blender too, just in case
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23:16<cuchi>CUANTOS AÑOS TIENEN
23:16<m1n>VR: I can't promise that blender won't be confusing, as well, but I can promise that it is powerful and efficient if you have the time to learn it properly. For your intents and purposes this might not be worthwhile, but for future endeavors it might come in handy :D
23:17<VR>oh, btw, changing the subject a little, I remember a long time ago where apt autoremove could bork the system. I have a gigantisc list it says to autoremove but I'm not sure how safe that is
23:18<cuchi>ABLAS ESPAÑOL
23:18<VR>I'm a recent convert to debian-based distros
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23:18<cuchi>'''
23:19<m1n>VR: it really depends on what you're uninstalling. Sometimes pkgs are perceived as deps when they really are not. I'm not on debian, and haven't really been for a long time (*whispers 'sorry'*). Does it not tell you all the packages it's trying to uninstall when you run the command?
23:19<VR>It does, but I'm not sure I can gauge all the complex interactions that removing it might have
23:20<VR>I'd love to uninstall gnome-keyring, for example, but don't wann bork stuff
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23:21<cuchi>WHAT
23:21<m1n>on arch, it's just seahorse and gnome-keyring. What deps you have??
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23:22<cuchi>¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿
23:22<cuchi>¿¿
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23:22<cuchi>BAI
23:22<cuchi>CHAU
23:22<cuchi>CHAU
23:22<VR>evolution* evolution-data-server* evolution-data-server-pantheon-online-accounts* evolution-ews* evolution-plugins* evolution-plugins-experimental* gnome-keyring* seahorse*
23:22<VR>all stuff that I actually use
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23:23<cuchi>ABLO ESPAÑOL
23:23<m1n>why do you want to remove gnome-keyring. If you really want to, I'd just remove gnome-keyring and seahorse
23:25<VR>m1n actually because I don't understand what it does. I asked on some subreddits and on the gnome channel but nothing (not that people didn't try, their awtesome, I just didn't get it)
23:26<m1n>that's not a reason to uninstall it imo.. "Stores passwords and encryption keys" per description
23:26<VR>The whole concept of a "keyring" is very foreign to me, and all I can relate it to is like browser password managers, but they don't appear to have anything in common
23:27<VR>yeah, but what passwords and encryption keys? What does it does with it? If my computer fries do I lose all my passwords?
23:27<VR>sorry those are stupid questions, it's just a very new concept for me
23:28<VR>and the constant prompting for a password when I'm doing nothing special is a bit annoying
23:28<m1n>I just started learning about it this morning myself. But if you watch some helpful videos on gpg and read about what pgp is, then maybe it will help
23:29<VR>oh, that's is some new information, it has to do with pgp signatures?
23:29<m1n>I think so. I think keyrings store public keys for pgp encryption. I don't know of any other keyrings.
23:30<jmcnaught>gnome-keyring remembers passwords for PGP and SSH keys, it can be used to store wifi passwords with NetworkManager. Epiphany, the GNOME browser probably also uses it to store passwords for websites
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23:32<jmcnaught>other programs can use it too, there's a firefox addon to use it. It stores the passwords in an encrypted file that is generally unlocked when you log into GNOME
23:32<VR>And do I run a bigger risk without it, or will stuff break if I take it out?
23:32<VR>manga
23:32<VR>ignore last message
23:33<m1n>jmcnaught: what's the point of storing passwords for pgp and ssh keys to here, in particular, and having them unlock when you log in?
23:33<jmcnaught>i don't think it's worth removing if it also means removing the metapackages for your desktop
23:34<VR>And how do I actually use it? just type my password when it prompts me? (I use autologin, so that's probably why it prompting me)
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23:34<m1n>you can view everything in seahorse; that's the point of seahorse :P
23:34<jmcnaught>m1n: you don't have to store them permanently, it also acts as ssh-agent and gpg-agent so that you can type the passphrase once per session (only stored in RAM)
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23:35<jmcnaught>VR: is it prompting you to unlock the keyring when you log in automatically?
23:35<m1n>oh; I get it. That is such a small improvement for something that seems kind of like spyware .. huh
23:36<VR>m1n read my mind
23:36<VR>jmcnaught: not onlywhen I login, it happens about twice a day
23:37<VR>granted, I always just click cancel, not knowing what it's for, so that could be the reason it keeps prompting
23:37<m1n>you can disable gnome-keyring-daemon from autostarting VR
23:38<jmcnaught>if you use gnome-keyring or another ssh-agent, and/or a password database like keepassx, you can improve your security with longer, more complex, and unique passwords while also reducing your memory burden to a single passphrase that unlocks everything
23:38<jmcnaught>VR: are you on jessie or stretch?
23:39<VR>I'm acutually on elementaryOS, based on 16.04, sorry :(
23:39<VR>it's just you guys are always nicer, haha
23:39<jmcnaught>!based on debian
23:39<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
23:40<m1n>!rude
23:40<dpkg>it has been said that rude is making me tell people things that they dont want to be told
23:40<VR>no problems, thanks for the help so far
23:41<jmcnaught>VR: there's a ##debian-based channel on freenode if you want to continue there, there are only a couple of people there though
23:41<noti[m]>evince can fill out PDF forms!
23:41<noti[m]>how did I not know this
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