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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-09-14

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00:20<VR>Is there any channel/forum around where I can find resources on how IRC works? As in, enough information that I can try doing some proof of concept or something
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00:55<Epakai>VR: read the rfc 1459 http://www.irc.org/tech_docs/rfc1459.html
00:57<Epakai>this one actually https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459
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01:05<VR>Hey, sorry, Polari just crashed here, could that kind soul send me the RFC links again?
01:05<Epakai>https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459
01:06<VR>Thanks!
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01:06<VR>Is there any one or anyplace I can pester people with stuff I don't quite get?
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02:33<VR>In layman terms, why can't you apt install more than one package at once? I mean, I know it must be very complex to do atomically, but I wonder how feasible it would be
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02:48<jm_>VR: who said you can't?
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02:51<albuic>hi
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02:52<albuic>I'm using debian devel (for some personnal reasons) and after a kernel upgrade, i lost the Fn+Brightness keys
02:53<jm_>what is "debian devel"?
02:53<albuic>I have lenovo T530 with optimus (nvidia 375.82 + intel graphics)
02:54<albuic>sorry... mean debian testing ^^
02:54<jm_>try #debian-next
02:54<albuic>Ok thx
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02:58<jm_>one idea I have is that if kernel was upgraded, try using the older version if you still have it installed
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03:19<albuic>jm_: i would prefer to keep the current one...
03:20<albuic>as optimus is working...
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03:21<jm_>albuic: sure, I get that, just to test if it's kernel or something else
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03:23<albuic>jm_: gona try it...
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03:34<albuic>jm_: damn... don't have the previous version !
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03:35<jm_>albuic: did you look in the Advanced options menu?
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03:38<albuic>just in /boot/
03:39<albuic>only latest kernel
03:39<albuic>and also in apt-cache
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03:40<jm_>ok so looking in apt/dpkg logs would reveal what exactly happened
03:41<albuic>it's been more than a year than i have this bug ^^
03:41<albuic>so... maybe not ^^
03:41<jm_>ahh OK, so not related to kernel upgrade then
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03:42<albuic>it is... when i upgrade from stable to testing
03:42<jm_>at least not this one, would be much easier to investigate at the point when it stopped working
03:42<albuic>it switch from 3.X to 4.X
03:42<jm_>in that case I would build my own kernels and use git bisect to figure out what triggers it
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03:43<albuic>ok...
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03:43<albuic>will try tomorrow (3am here ;-) )
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03:50<stripe>hi all, just tried to update-grub (added a fall back system on another drive) and nothing happens, any ideas? cheers
03:51<jm_>what do you expect to happen?
03:51<stripe>jm update the grub menu adding the new os
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03:56<jm_>stripe: what new os? I think you need to provide more details what exactly you are doing
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04:02<stripe>jm sorted now, was logged in as "user" and not "root" so was not using sudo lol #facepalm
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04:05<bipul>Do you have any link where i can see architect of KVM?
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06:33<bhe[m]>what package is putting files in `/var/lib/gdm3` . I checked gdm3 contents https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/gdm3/filelist .And it is not doing anything there
06:35<towo-kvm>no package is putting files in there
06:36<towo-kvm>files in there are created later from runtime
06:36<bhe[m]>towo-kvm: with post int scripts ?
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06:36<towo-kvm>what?
06:38<bhe[m]>towo-kvm: run time in the sense ?
06:38<bhe[m]>when do config file get generated there, ?
06:39<towo-kvm>when you change that config in gnome-settings?
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07:12<k-man>i have a debian machine as a vm host. i created a bridge for all the vm guests to use, and its been working fine, but after moving my box to a new location and reconfiguring the network, the guests don't seem to be able to access the network. i'm not sure how to diagnose
07:13<k-man>the host is able to access the network/internet fine
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07:36<petn-randall>k-man: You can check if the VM's tap devices are in the bridge with 'brctl show'
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07:42<k-man>http://sprunge.us/XIWU
07:43<k-man>i've only changed the netmask and default gateway
07:43<k-man>so i'm not sure why it wouldn't work now
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07:56<CriTix>dmt you here ???
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07:57<hacker>hi
07:57<CriTix>dmt you here ?
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07:58<Guest4661>hello
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08:04<Guest4661>hi
08:04<jm_>!ask
08:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:05<Guest4661>dpkg i del my usr
08:05<dpkg>Guest4661: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
08:06<Guest4661>what
08:06<Guest4661>dpk
08:06<Guest4661>dpkg
08:06<Guest4661>dpkg ff
08:06<dpkg>Guest4661: I don't know, could you explain it?
08:06<Guest4661>dpkg user del
08:06<dpkg>Guest4661: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
08:07<Guest4661>dpkg hi
08:07<dpkg>what's up, guest4661
08:07<Guest4661>file
08:07<blast007>Guest4661: dpkg is a bot
08:07<Guest4661>dpkg fine i
08:07<dpkg>no idea, Guest4661
08:08<jm_>what exactly did you delete?
08:08<Brigo>Guest4661, dpkg is a bot
08:08<Brigo>Guest4661, ¿how did you delete your user?
08:08<Guest4661>dpkg yes
08:08<dpkg>Guest4661: are you smoking crack?
08:09<Guest4661>dpkg yes
08:09<dpkg>Guest4661: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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08:09<blast007>Guest4661: please stop talking to dpkg
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08:09<blast007>!next
08:09<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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08:18<Kir>LMAO
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08:48<Guest2097>wrong guest, but thanks for pointing out I seem to have been disconnected since I last identified
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09:47<stevenm__>anyone know what the apt equivalent of this is? aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant -F%p
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09:50<Gabriel_7>stevenm__: apt install aptitude && aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant -F%p
09:50<Gabriel_7>AFAIU, the advanced search feature is only available in aptitude.
09:51<Micromani>Hi all, I have a question, I look for an old debian version (7.8), I find only download with 3 dvd or 8 CD of 7.11.. Where can I find iso for a VM installation with 7 version??
09:51<themill>!cd archive
09:51<dpkg>A repository for CD images of older Debian releases is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
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09:52<Micromani>Ok, but 10 DVD are too http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/7.8.0/amd64/jigdo-dvd/, not?
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09:53<themill>!jigdo
09:53<dpkg>Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . https://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/
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09:54<themill>You probably need to recreate the images. I can't imagine anyone has space or inclination to keep the kicking around foreveer
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11:07<tda>`find /dir -maxdepth -type d` returns all the directories in /dir, but it also includes /dir. How do you make it not do that?
11:07<tda>`find /dir -maxdepth 1 -type d` returns all the directories in /dir, but it also includes /dir. How do you make it not do that?
11:10<m1n>I guess find /dir -maxdepth 1 -type d -not -path /dir
11:11<m1n>you could also use grep but that is lame. I am not sure if there is another (better?) way
11:11<m1n>tda: tada!
11:12<Nemoder>I was going to suggest | tail -n +2 ..but your way is better :)
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11:14<tda>-not -path doesn't do anything
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11:15*m1n raises eyebrow
11:15<m1n>paste what you used, if you would
11:15<tda>I'll try with for i in ls do, find is oddly being too difficult
11:16<m1n>many, many people would advice against using ls
11:16<m1n>as would I
11:16<m1n>but as you were
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11:17<Blacker47>-not -path <...> works for me.
11:17<m1n>hopefully you have any files with spaces for instance ;P .. it works for me, as well
11:17<tda>so how to use find to list the directories in a directory without listing itself? i need to be able to use -exec on the results too...
11:17<m1n>s/you have/you don't have/
11:17<tda>i don't understand what to put for path
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11:18<Blacker47>the path you want to exclude? i testet with "find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -not -path ."
11:19<m1n>I tested on ~/git. When I was inside ~/ I used find git -maxdepth 1 -type d -not -path git and it worked, but you should tweak to your needs; eg as Blacker47 did
11:19<tda>I want to exclude the path I'm searching from the results. /dir is not in /dir IMO
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11:19<Blacker47>tested with something different as "." -> needed to add / on the end of the path (e.g. -not -path home/)
11:21<b17>tda: every dir contains a ref to itself and it's parent as '.' and '..'
11:21<b17>try -mindepth
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11:23<tda>mindepth returns directories in dir/* not at all what I want. but maybe if i try from a higher directory it will work
11:24<tda>nope, it does the same thing. goes way too deep
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11:25<tda>b17: That actually works! thank you :)
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12:46<Kir>I want to be able to create stuff in Debian, which programming language should I pick up ?
12:47<itd>Kir: What kind of "stuff" do you have in mind?
12:47<jhutchins>Kir: How long is a piece of string?
12:47<Kir>for starters scripts to automate my Debian system, then maybe packages? like new apps?
12:48<Kir>jhutchins is that a tricky question?
12:48<m1n>python, c++, bash, and other gnu command-line utilities
12:48<m1n>jk I have no idea :P
12:48<Kir>or, what language must a Debian developer be proficient with?
12:48<Kir>xD
12:48<itd>Kir: Your first programming language?
12:48<jhutchins>Kir: English.
12:49<m1n>Kir: pig latin
12:49<Kir>I am upper-intermediate in VBA in EXCEL heh
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12:49<Kir>so I have some, say, affinity in programming
12:49<m1n>uh. no comment
12:49<jhutchins>Kir: Beyond that it depends on what kind of program you're creating, what resources you have, what you know, and what the people working with you know.
12:50<Kir>"no comment" because vba is not useful besides office or because it's a microsoft thingy?
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12:51<m1n>there is no one language that is more useful than others. But there are some languages that are less useful than others *cough*
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12:52<Kir>Okay;) I agree with you
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12:54<itd>Kir: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch12.en.html
12:55<Kir>Thanks a ton itd
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13:09<lord_rob>Hi! I've a bitmap picture and I'd like to draw arrows on it. What should I use?
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13:13<sdk>+1 Gimp.
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13:23<itd>Kir: This is more -offtopic, but currently python is hyped as beginners/get-things-done language.
13:25<m1n>« itd ¦ Kir » python is a language that is so easy to use that it can sometimes be difficult to jump from python to "lower-level" languages. *shrug* 2 cents
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13:29<jhutchins>There's lisp, meant to teach symbolic logic.
13:31<mnuhmnuh>Kir: learn shell (bash) scripting. it's pretty quick & easy to learn. then perl. :-)
13:31<Kir>Okay:)
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13:32<m1n>Kir: and be sure to use ed as your text editor
13:33<Kir>Yea I started to pickup Python, I notice its syntax is easy to read and write but, if in the end it's applications are limited, I'd prefer to use my time for learning C instead :)
13:33<m1n>python's applications are not really limited, per se. There are plenty of command-line (and otherwise) tools written in python.
13:34<m1n>but C is just a little tiny bit more efficient
13:34<m1n>and it was developed many, many years before, so that's what people know and used
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13:35<m1n>python's libraries have become immense. There are libraries for basically everything—this is partially why it is so powerful. But it's also fast to develop in and powerful. I'd definitely reccommend learning python at some point. I was just saying that it's easy to get stuck in python because it's so easy to use and so powerful. I know I was stuck for a while in python-ville
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13:45<olinuxx>I've made a .deb package under Jessie which was build-depending on "python-support"
13:46<olinuxx>Trying to rebuild the package for stretch, it seems that there is no "python-support" package anymore
13:46<olinuxx>What package should I build-depend on to replace the deprecated "python-support" one ?
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13:51<mnuhmnuh>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/python-support - removed, see details.
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13:52<mnuhmnuh>replaced by dh-python ?
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14:13<hthoreau>Hi.
14:14<hthoreau>I've stretch-backports and buster listed at my sources.list file and, now, when I execute "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" It suggest me to upgrade a bunch of packages.
14:14<hthoreau>I can only presume it is offering me to update to buster.
14:15<blast007>why are you mixing stable and testing sources?
14:15<blast007>if you're needing newer versions of some software, you should backport it instead of mixing
14:16<sdk>hthoreau: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian
14:16<hthoreau>I haven't mixed it yet, but I though I might to see if the most recent xorg-amd driver solves my problem with my GPU not being loaded properly: https://paste.debian.net/986098/ and https://paste.debian.net/986093/
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14:21<hthoreau>Anyway, I'm still looking into it. But either way would like it to sugest me upgrades out of stable, ever. Neighter for stretch-backports or buster, so I tried setting up a .pref file: http://paste.debian.net/986102/
14:21<hthoreau>I don't think it went into effect.
14:21<hthoreau>Or at least wielded the desired effect.
14:22<hthoreau>I would like it to NOT suggest me upgrades out of stable*
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14:25<itd>hthoreau: You want xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu, right?
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14:28<hthoreau>itd, Yeah, I was thinking of experimenting it.
14:29<itd>judd checkbackport xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
14:29<judd>Backporting package xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
14:29<itd>dpkg: ssb
14:29<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
14:29<itd>hthoreau: You could try to backport it from sid.
14:29<itd>hthoreau: Don't use pinning.
14:30<annadane>what does ssb stand for, stretch stable backports?
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14:32<itd>annadane: simple sid backport
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14:33<annadane>itd, is the procedure different for testing?
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14:34<itd>annadane: No idea. I'd guess: yes. (No need for the stable-backport part.)
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14:40<olinuxx>thanks mnuhmnuh
14:41<hthoreau>dpkg, bdo
14:41<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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14:42<hthoreau>dpkg, bdo xorg
14:42<dpkg>The backports.debian.org repository contains updated xorg components (in particular video drivers) for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". Ask me about <squeeze-backports> to enable and use this repository. See http://x.debian.net/reference/squeeze-backports.html for information on the xorg backports.
14:42<grove>annadane: Do you mean testing as source or target for the backport? judd's checkbackport command takes both --torelease and --fromrelease options (I've only tried the --torelease) but except for details the procedure for doing the backport is the same
14:43<itd>hthoreau: Also try "/msg dpkg bpo". :)
14:43<annadane>grove, source
14:43<itd>grove: Oh, good point! :)
14:43<hthoreau>itd, Oh, much better!
14:44<annadane>it's the same? okay
14:44<annadane>iirc the simplebackportcreation wiki page doesn't differentiate between testing and sid so it makes sense
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14:45<sleser>hi how do i purge or remove bluetooth service ?
14:46<itd>sleser: The file bluetooth.service is part of "bluez", so "apt purge bluez".
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14:47<annadane>but not before finding bluez cluez
14:47<annadane>sorry
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14:48<itd>sleser: Or, to avoid blueborne install the latest security update for bluez. ;)
14:48<itd>sleser: Or quit. That helps too.
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15:41<Paul-->hello all
15:41<Paul-->!wwan
15:42<annadane>Paul--, hi. do you have a debian support question?
15:42<Paul-->sure
15:42<Paul-->I'm connect with a usb modem
15:42<Paul-->the system create the interface : wwan0
15:43<Paul-->I don't know exactly what stuff of connection is it
15:43<Paul-->the interface disappared after disconnection as ppp
15:44<Paul-->with ps aux I see the process that create the connection, it's begin with /sbin/dhclient ...
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15:45<Paul-->with wireshark I see the iso/osi excapsulation, the wwan0 is similat to the ethernet
15:45<Paul-->1 layer phisical
15:45<Paul-->2 layer etherner ; 3 layer IP ; etc...
15:46<Paul-->my question is: what stuff of connection is wwan0 ?
15:46<Paul-->do it use dhclient, so aren't like ppp0
15:46<Paul-->seem more similar to ethernet
15:47<Paul-->I'm using debian 8.9 now
15:47<Paul-->xfce de
15:48<Paul-->annadane, aren't u expert in this stuff ?
15:48<Paul-->hello
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15:49<Paul-->I'm studing Comer tcp/ip , and debian is a powerfull tool to study networking
15:49<Paul-->Douglas Comer tcp/ip vol. 1
15:49<sney>usb modems are usually PPP
15:49<sney>though they can have bonkers restrictions like half of the connection is software and only works in windows, or stuff like that
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15:51<sney>may also need firmware to support the driver
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15:51<sney>but AFAIK gsm/*g/lte modems are generally ppp devices. I can't think of what else they would be
15:52<Paul-->http://paste.debian.net/986110/
15:52<Paul-->hello people
15:53<Paul-->nobody wes connect with a modem umts ?
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15:54<annadane>paul, you're already getting help from sney and on #debian in freenode
15:54<sney>I don't really have more information than I already said, but if he's crossposting then I shouldn't have bothered anyway
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15:56<Paul-->ok.
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16:17<sleser>how do i go in shell without booting to kde
16:17<sleser>or b4 kde boots up
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16:18<annadane>!tty
16:18<dpkg>it has been said that tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator.
16:18<annadane>well, never mind the bot
16:18<annadane>sleser, alt + f1 through f6 should get you to a terminal
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16:18<sleser>ok
16:19<doob>would anyone happen to know how i could find a specific ISO version of debian
16:19<doob>specifically 3.16.7-ckt25-2
16:19<sleser>its not doing it
16:19<hthoreau>itd, from those instructions you've passed me, the forth step,
16:19<sleser>i removed libbluetooth3 pakage
16:19<sleser>and it removed alot of things
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16:19<hthoreau>dpkg: ssb
16:19<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
16:20<sleser>is there a way to fix it without reinstalling
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16:20<hthoreau>How do I execute this instruction?
16:20<annadane>sleser, maybe. what does your entry in cat /var/log/apt/history.log say?
16:20<annadane>paste.debian.net
16:20<sleser>laptop boots in to black screen
16:20<sleser>cant do nothing
16:20<annadane>hmm
16:20<futune>systemctl set-default multi-user.target
16:20<annadane>that _is_ a problem
16:21<futune>but of course, you need to enter that command somehow
16:21<sleser>is there safemode where i can go and then install the pakage ?
16:21<m1n>usually, if you cannot get to a tty, there is not much you can do. maybe you can boot into recovery mode.. but that has only saved me once out of a million times honestly
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16:21<annadane>grub has recovery mode, if you can reach it...
16:21<futune>try chrooting from a live-usb if you have physical access
16:22<sleser>if i boot to live usb from there i can install pakage ?
16:22<futune>yeah, you can install packages from a chroot
16:23<doob>would anyone be able to tell me how I could find a specific ISO archived version of Debian
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16:24<annadane>doob, potentially snapshots
16:24<annadane>!snapshots
16:24<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
16:24<annadane>not sure whether 3 is pre or post 2005
16:24<doob>I need 3.16.7-ckt25-2
16:24<futune>oh! you can also boot to cli login instead of graphical by appending 'systemd.unit=multi-user.target' to kernel boot params
16:25<futune>can be done by pressing e in grub
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16:32<itd>hthoreau: Look in the parent folder of your current working directory. Use "apt install ./$file_name" to install the .deb file.
16:32<hthoreau>itd: Done. Thanks!
16:33<itd>hthoreau: No problem. Hope it helps. :) (Sorry for the delay.)
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16:57<peperoni>Hello
16:57<peperoni>Someone can help me
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16:57<dboles>!ask
16:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:00<annadane>peperoni, ^ just ask your question
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17:24<cyril>bonsoir tout le monde , j'aurai besoin d'aide sur un serveur bind
17:24<itd>dpkg: fr
17:24<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
17:25<itd>cyril: Hi! :)
17:25<itd>cyril: Please don't /msg me. :)
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17:25<cyril>could someone help me about bind
17:26<sleser>can some one show me the link to kde debian usb install
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17:26<itd>cyril: Maybe. Please describe your problem.
17:26<annadane>cyril, probably someone can; it's easier if you ask your real question
17:27<itd>sleser: You should be able to use any debian installer and then select KDE.
17:27<cyril>when I tried to "host -t A info-sys.xyz" i get this error " ns1.info-sys.xyz has no A records
17:27<sleser>net installer will give me selection ?
17:27<itd>sleser: Yes.
17:27<sleser>thanks
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17:28<itd>cyril: Why is that a problem with bind? :)
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17:29<cyril>i thought i have to have A record ....
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17:31<cyril>root@ns1:/etc/bind# named-checkzone info-sys.xyz db.info-sys.xyz
17:31<cyril>zone info-sys.xyz/IN: NS 'ns1.info-sys.xyz.info-sys.xyz' has no address records (A or AAAA)
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17:35<itd>cyril: I'm not interested in guessing your setup. Please describe it, your overall goal and what you did trying to reach it.
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17:36<itd>cyril: Feel free to use paste.debian.net to share your config files.
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17:39<cyril>I'm trying to install postfix
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17:41<cyril>I have already my domain name , and I would install and configure postfix
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17:51<hthoreau>Hi.
17:51<dooby>ahh this snapshot debian site is so annoying to look through
17:52<dooby>would anyone be able to find a specific ISO of debian and link it to me if it isnt too much a burden to ask
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17:52<hthoreau>So, I've been trying to make my hybrid graphics notebook setup load my Radeon on boot, so far without success. https://paste.debian.net/986122/
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17:54<hthoreau>I've tried updating the packages firmware-linux-nonfree, firmware-amd-graphics, xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu, xserver-xorg-video-radeon, and xserver-xorg-video-ati to the versions available at sid.
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17:55<hthoreau>The only thing that changed was that xrandr now refers to the Radeon by its model https://paste.debian.net/986123/ rather than its codename https://paste.debian.net/986098/
17:56<itd>dooby: I can't find a 3.16 on https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ are you sure it exists?
17:56<dooby>https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/linux/3.16.7-ckt25-2
17:56<dooby>yes it does itd
17:57<itd>dooby: Oh, okay. You want an iso with that linux kernel version.
17:57<dooby>the reason I need this specific version is because I have some coursework that involves vulnerability and penetration testing
17:58<dooby>It's much more convenient to have a VM to test stuff with rather than play around with the actual thing and have to e-mail my professor to reboot the instance
17:58<dooby>The Debian version is 8.9 (jessie)
18:01<amacater>dooby - have you tried looking round cdimage.debian.org?
18:01<itd>dooby: So you want a jessie installer? https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/
18:02<dooby>i'm afraid it's going to have a newer kernel version
18:02<itd>dooby: Disable security updates. jessie-updates (old-upd) still has your version https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux
18:03<dooby>the version I need had some pretty bad vulnerabilities related to privilege escalation exploitation
18:03<dooby>so I don't think Debian would want to be giving that out to people to use lol
18:05<b17>dooby: debian doesn't hide problems, especially security stuff
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18:10<amacater>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/8.9.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-8.9.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso should be good enough
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18:10<dooby>So to clarify the ISO you linked should have what I need itd?
18:11<itd>dooby: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/4b4d1e1a
18:11<amacater>That's the install .iso which would install 8.9 - if you look under cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ you should find other media for other versions that arre older
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18:12<itd>dooby: No, but it will allow you to update to the version you want.
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18:13<amacater>By installing from the DVD and not frrom the netinst you will be getting 8.9 as originally released
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18:13<itd>dooby: That .list.gz describes the content of an ISO file. The linux version on the netinst is older than the version you requested.
18:14<itd>dooby: If you take care while installing (i.e. don't install security updates) and you should later on be able to upgrade.
18:14<itd>s/ and/,/
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18:20<hthoreau>Hi, I've been trying to make my hybrid graphics notebook setup load my Radeon on boot, so far without success. https://paste.debian.net/986122/
18:20<hthoreau> I've tried updating the packages firmware-linux-nonfree, firmware-amd-graphics, xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu, xserver-xorg-video-radeon, and xserver-xorg-video-ati to the versions available at sid.
18:20<hthoreau> The only thing that changed was that xrandr now refers to the Radeon by its model https://paste.debian.net/986123/ rather than its codename https://paste.debian.net/986098/
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18:22<itd>hthoreau: I hope didn't update to sid but did a *backport* from sid to stretch. ;) (Sorry, can't help you with your problem.)
18:22<b17>dooby: yeh you're right that was a bad kernel sheesh http://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3607
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18:24<hthoreau>itd, oh shit. Sorry, I guess I'm too ignorant to know the difference. but I did the process suggested by "dpkg: ssb"
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18:25<amacater>hthoreau - There s no good way to go back from sid or testing to stable, for example
18:25<itd>hthoreau: No, just me being unnecessarily pedantic. :)
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18:46<sleser>how do i set automatic login on debian 9 kde
18:47<awal1>check sddm config
18:48<awal1>i guess via kde-sddm-config module integrated in kde system settings
18:49<awal1>kde-config-sddm
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18:56<sleser>cant find it
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18:59<b17>quick websearch for - sddm autologin - makes it look like a little tricky
19:00<b17>i sort of miss kde, but they left out plasma-netbook and i wasn't impressed with the live system i tried.
19:01<sleser>im making this one for some one who dosnt know computer
19:01<sleser>is it posible to make it auto login
19:02<sleser>there is a loging screen sddm but there i cant find the auto loging\
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19:04<b17>sleser: i don't think debian would be good for newbie? some might disagree, but anyway I would make them install it.
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19:06<b17>sleser: i think i read that mate desktop id a little friendlier but i haven't used it
19:08<sleser>the person is used to the kde
19:08<sleser>that will be cool to sett this for this person with auto loging
19:08<sleser>any pakage i need to gettt ?
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19:09<mnuhmnuh>sleser: i used to login at cli prompt and run startx. no xdm,gdm,kdm,...
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19:10<b17>sleser: don't know but sddm should have a man page and something in /usr/share/doc/sddm did you check there?
19:10<sleser>i gona chek now
19:10<coruja>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SDDM#Autologin
19:11<b17>sometimes there are man pages for conf files too, like sddm.conf
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19:12<coruja>https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/sddm/sddm.conf.5.en.html
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19:16<b17>coruja: i never knew about manpages.debian.org thanks that's real helpful
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19:30<b17>hmm sddm.conf minimumVT setting default to 7 doesn't sound good, maybe that's related to the live login issue
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19:39<sleser>there is auto loging set to false should i set it true ?
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19:47<Z>WHO IS HERE?
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19:49<annadane>Z, lots of people
19:49<annadane>just ask your question
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20:16<sleser>is there flash player on debian 9
20:16<sleser>pakagename ?
20:17<somiaj>sleser: papi or napi?
20:17<somiaj>,v flashplugin-nonfree
20:17<judd>Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1:3.7
20:17<somiaj>actually looks like neither are in jessie. You have to manually install it
20:17<somiaj>,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
20:17<judd>Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; buster/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1
20:17<somiaj>They finally fixed the scripts, it would be nice if they provided them via backports.
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20:19<somiaj>sleser: you can download the plugin (both napi and papi) from adobe, getting it to work in chromium is a bit more work than firefox
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20:21<sleser>apper isnt showing me flashpluging-nonfree
20:22<somiaj>they are no longer in stretch, the scripts were just buggy at the time of the release and the matainer wan't around to fix them.
20:22<sleser>so i cant have flash ?
20:23<somiaj>if use napi, just download it from adobe, and I think copying it to ~/.mozilla/plugins or something like that is al
20:23<somiaj>no, you have to download it and install it from adobe. Which requires a little work
20:23<annadane>napi?
20:23<somiaj>I couldn't find any info updated about this on the wiki
20:23<sleser>k
20:23<somiaj>annadane: netscape-api (the old plugin api which is insecure and used by firefox and most old browsers)
20:23<somiaj>annadane: papi is the pepper-api created by google for chromium, more secure due to how it sandboxes the plugins
20:24<annadane>which does the one from adobe use?
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20:24<somiaj>you can get either
20:24<somiaj>it was only the napi for years, and adobe refused to support flash on linux (thus only google's pepper api was newer)
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20:26<somiaj>but a year or so ago adobe started provided both napi and papi plugins and their download page lets you choose
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20:29<b17>do these browsers still require flash to do audio/video?
20:29<b17>i gave up on it years ago
20:29<somiaj>no, many sights do audio/video via html5
20:30<somiaj>some older sights still use flash, and some things flash is still better than html5, but flash is only needed if you visit a site that uses it.
20:30<somiaj>I just always seem to have a sight or two that uses it I need to visit.
20:30<b17>somiaj: that's very interesting, i have read that some older sites, like universities and what-not have not switched over to html5 yet
20:31<somiaj>yea, flash is not used nearly as much as it use to be, but it just won't die.....and I hope it dies.
20:32<b17>i really enjoyed flash at one time it worked very well.
20:32<b17>i played a lot of poker, slots too, lmao
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20:34<annadane>afaik there's a lot of flash vulnerabilities
20:34<annadane>anyway, kind of off topic at this point
20:35<somiaj>yea edging on off topic, but flash is still used enough, helping users getting it to work in stretch is on topic.
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20:40<b17>does installing flash disable the html5 functionality?
20:41<somiaj>nope
20:41<somiaj>some sights support both, so what they default to depends on the sight.
20:41<somiaj>youtube.com/html5 you can configure what is default.
20:42<b17>sounds pretty fun, configure it with a cookie or acct login?
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20:48<b17>sorry if it's ot but i only use the main repo and it's interesting to know what's going on in the real world sometimes.
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21:00<somiaj>b17: I'm unsure on the details, if you use youtube you can check it out. Though that is an old thing, I belive youtube has finally switched to html5 as the default, flash is only used in rare cases.
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21:04<b17>somiaj: thanks, i just do cclive and watch video with vlc the last few years. The webm videos are awesome, and use .ogg as the audio container, I guess that is the html5 ver.
21:05<b17>I might check it out, but yesterday i updated my jessie machine and firefox was 45 mb and the kernel was 35 so i think i'm done with that.
21:06<somiaj>youtube-dl is another option for getting videos from youtube.
21:06<somiaj>b17: I would keep up to date with jessie just for the security updates.
21:07<b17>well, i like cclive, my barber's name is clive and i'm superstitious like that.
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21:08<b17>i rarely use jessie online anymore, only need firefox to talk to my router and a couple logins
21:09<b17>i don't even have a browser here on stretch that will do scripts
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21:12<jhutchins>8tb hard drives are $40.
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21:13<b17>yeh, not really hd space it's the slow cpu in my little netbook. I think ff and chrome are some kind of vm because everything is like molasses.
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21:14<b17>i'm looking at how to tweak it though so i can get a good browser, just not many options.
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21:15<mnuhmnuh>b17: try qupzilla.
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21:17<b17>yeah i have qupzilla on the list, just not a priority. actually the net is pretty dang fast with a plain text browser, i have enjoyed the last couple months.
21:18<mnuhmnuh>w3m :-)
21:19<b17>i've been using links2 -g and lynx, w3m was not in my default install this time.
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