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00:39<elof1>Is Stretch security update compatible to jessie
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00:42<somiaj>elof1: no
00:42<somiaj>elof1: jessie still gets security updates, they will be independent from stretch and for jessie versions of packages.
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00:44<elof1>Do you update debian version until the support stops? Or maintain it by yourself after the support stops?
00:45<annadane>recommended to just upgrade to stretch when jessie stops being officially supported
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00:45<somiaj>after the support stops (which is actually in two stages) you have to upgrade to the next release if you care about security updates
00:45<annadane>which for jessie will be june 2018
00:46<annadane>there's a long term support project but it's not official
00:46<somiaj>jessie will loose offical updates next summer, but the lts team will support jessie for another 3 or so years after that. Which is only i386/amd64 (maybe arm) and server side software. No desktop software is supported anymore
00:46<somiaj>annadane: its offical in sense that you don't have to do anything and the packages come from offical debian servers
00:47<somiaj>annadane: it is just a different group of volunteers upload the security updates than the security team
00:48<annadane>right, i guess in a volunteer project the term "official" takes on new meanings
00:49<elof1>it is weird that when I install gnome de, the audio driver will be installed together, but when I use xfce, it is not
00:49<somiaj>elof1: what do you mean by audio driver? Alsa is part of the kernel, or are you talking about pulseaudio?
00:50<elof1>@somiaj to play sounds on debian
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00:51<annadane>the point being, you really shouldn't be on jessie post "official support" expiry date unless you disconnect from the internet
00:52<somiaj>annadane: only desktop stuff doesn't get updates, and for the most part that is browser. lts support will keep the kernel and core system secure
00:52<somiaj>and it is stable
00:52<elof1>my debian current cannot play audio @somiaj
00:52<elof1>currently
00:52<somiaj>elof1: I would need more details. It might just be configuration
00:52<somiaj>if using alsa
00:52<somiaj>!alsa checklist
00:52<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
00:52<somiaj>if using pulse, you need to use pavucontrol
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00:53<elof1>I am not sure which one I am using
00:54<somiaj>alsa is the core, pulse is on top of alsa
00:55<elof1>'audio' group?
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01:00<somiaj>type groups, it will list which ones you are in
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01:01<elof1>I run as root on terminal
01:01<annadane>no, just your regular user
01:02<elof1>elof cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev scanner lpadmin
01:02<annadane>protip: unless it's specified you need root, don't use root
01:03<elof1>got it
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01:03<annadane>(that said i am sometimes guilty of giving people commands to use requiring root and then not telling them)
01:04<annadane>and if you're following internet instructions $ at the prompt is user, # is root or superuser
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01:06<elof1>"elof cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev scanner lpadmin" is the result after I type "groups" command run as an user
01:07<somiaj>as you see, you are in the audio group.
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01:07<elof1>but I am not able to adjust the sound
01:07<annadane>elof1, please see all the other steps in the checklist...
01:09<elof1>"unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer"?
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01:10<somiaj>and if you are using pulse these are not relevent.
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01:15<elof1>@somiaj I tried to play youtube clips, it is able to play, I just don't see the adjust tool
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01:17<somiaj>well then figure out if you are using pulse or alsa
01:17<somiaj>if using pulse (many desktops doo) use pavucontrol
01:20<elof1>Is the tool not built-in in xfce? I didn't have the problem when I used gnome
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01:20<somiaj>I'm unsure, I am just suggesting a de independent solution
01:21<annadane>pavucontrol is likely more comprehensive in its options compared to what xfce has
01:21<annadane>it's been a while but i don't think xfce's widget has as many features
01:22<elof1>a de independent solution?
01:23<annadane>ie if you install pavucontrol you can just use that rather than what xfce provides
01:24<annadane>i'm kind of spoiled by plasma because its audio interface is very featureful
01:24<elof1>I found apt autoremove is an invalid command which strech is
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01:27<jm_>it's apt-get autoremove
01:27<elof1>I know, seems like apt has a huge upgrade
01:27<annadane>i know i can use apt autoremove in sid
01:27<annadane>maybe they changed it
01:28<jm_>yes
01:30<elof1>Are manuals version-sensitive?
01:30<annadane>manpages is a package
01:30<annadane>so yes
01:31<elof1>manuals on debian.org
01:31<jm_>yes they are
01:31<annadane>manpages or just miscellaneous documentation? the documentation will be written for stable
01:31<jm_>you have links to other versions on the right
01:31<jm_>man pages on https://manpages.debian.org/
01:32<elof1>faq/howtos
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01:32<annadane>yes, written for stable
01:32<annadane>it's conceivable there's one or two things written for testing somewhere but i don't know what that would be
01:33<annadane>it would very much be the exception rather than the rule
01:33<annadane>and unstable is a constant moving target anyway so forget it
01:33<elof1>what does backports mean
01:33<annadane>!backports
01:33<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
01:34<elof1>let me check
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01:36<annadane>because the only criteria for packages in testing/sid being different from stable is that they "have changes" where the changes are greater than zero
01:36<annadane>in other words some things might change but it's still based on the stable framework
01:37<annadane>so it's pointless to maintain parallel documentation for both stable and testing
01:37<elof1>what is the difference between "stretch main" and "updates main"?
01:37<elof1>stretch main only updates softwares?
01:39<jm_>if you are talking about sources.list entries, put them on the paste site and explain which ones you are asking about
01:42<elof1>https://pastebin.com/hE2vdRWc
01:42<elof1>deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main and
01:42<elof1>deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main
01:43<annadane>(i say sid is a moving target which it is in theory but in practice the framework doesn't change much either)
01:44<jm_>the second one is for security updates
01:44<annadane>(simply because developers will tend to mostly follow conventions)
01:44<elof1>the first and the third are?
01:45<elof1>@jm_
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01:47<jm_>the first one is for stretch releases, third one is https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates
01:47<elof1>thank you
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01:56<annadane>elof1, as you have many questions i'd check out https://debian-handbook.info/ and https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ and https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes
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01:59<elof1>Is https://debian-handbook.info/ still useful after I upgraded to stretch
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02:01<annadane>elof1, this is why i also linked you the stretch release notes
02:01<annadane>it's still useful, but some things have changed from jessie
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02:01<elof1>okay
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02:06<annadane>which is exactly the kind of thing i mean; that handbook is still useful for me, on unstable
02:07<annadane>90% of it is the same
02:07<annadane>the other 9.6% or whatever being because of stretch
02:07<annadane>you follow the documentation and deal with the exceptions when you get to them
02:08<elof1>the rest of 10% is just the release difference ?
02:08<piper>apt autoremove or autoremove (apt-get(8)) works fine, i prefer apt autoremove
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02:09<piper>you don't need -get
02:10<elof1>I also prefer apt autoremove
02:10<annadane>it sort of works out in practice anyway because anything involving documentation but especially something like linux will involve dynamic situations rather than the static knowledge written on paper which doesn't change
02:10<annadane>anyway, off topic rambling
02:11<piper>read man pat
02:11<piper>apt*
02:11<piper>and it's not offtopic
02:11<annadane>well, i'm just talking to myself in a channel meant for actual support questions :P
02:11<elof1>I am now upgrading to stretch
02:13<piper>annadane: apt is support
02:14<annadane>apt is support but me posting internal monologues about documentation is getting off topic
02:15<piper>especally when one says it's apt-get autoremove which is not true, it's users choice to use
02:15<annadane>i'm not saying you're offtopic i'm saying i am
02:16<piper>annadane: but i am always off topic :P
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06:00<krs[m]>virtualbox or kvm/libvirt for a Windows 10 pro guest performance wise? It's been a while I need a Windows box and I'm comfortable with both kvm/vbox. I'm on Debian testing/buster. Just for semi-light work use, no graphics requirements
06:02<Edhil>virtualbox is nice with the non-free extensions to manage network etc.
06:02<Edhil>but for performance I couldnt say
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08:20<stichitime>Just make a simple script that should start at boot. Dropped it into /etc/init.d and did update-rc.d blah defaults
08:20<stichitime>Nothing happens. No links made.
08:22<stichitime>Is this way of starting scripts not supported anymore?
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08:26<b17>stichitime: simple scripts won't work, scripts need lsb header. There used to be a skeleton in /etc/init.d but it's not on my stretch.
08:29<stichitime>b17, so what is the recommended way for simple scripts then?
08:30<b17>systemd is pretty easy
08:30<b17>i guess it depends, what kind if simple script
08:31<stichitime>Coming from OpenBSD I don't know much about it but I guess I can take a reluctant look at systemd
08:31<stichitime>b17, just mounting some nfs stuff
08:32<itd>b17: /etc/init.d/skeleton is part of 'initscripts'.
08:32<stichitime>itd, thx
08:32<b17>aha, yeah there ya go
08:32<grawity>mounting stuff is usually done from fstab, isn't it?
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08:34<stichitime>grawity, normally it is. Bit more then just that though.
08:34<grawity>how so?
08:35<stichitime>grawity, have to decrypt geli on a ZFS NAS
08:36<grawity>ah
08:36<stichitime>but yes fstab is the go to for mounting =) This is a bit hackish what I am doing.
08:36<grawity>you could have a service for just the decryption, and have it a dependency of the fstab mount
08:37<grawity>then again I haven't looked into NFS recently
08:38<grawity>well, here's a rough systemd .service template http://sprunge.us/fKbW
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08:38<stichitime>grawity, going to do this right. fstab and then a decrypt script.
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08:40<grawity>the fstab can have mount options like "x-systemd.requires=geli-decrypt.service"
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09:01<bobble>stichitime - http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2017/200/Tutorials-Systemd
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09:07<stichitime>bobble, thx was reading that. Things have really changed. Not going to start a worn out flame war but is there a compelling "this is why" systemd is better read out there?
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09:08<b17>stichitime: i was skeptical too, but if you try it you will see it's very robust.
09:09<stichitime>I am a old grumpy fart who wants to be a systemd hipster.
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09:09<itd>dpkg: why systemd
09:09<dpkg>a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) is still present in Debian 8. systemd-shim allows userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. See <jessie sysvinit> if you have to delay or wish to avoid using it.
09:09<bobble>this is quite a controversial subject and has generated a lot of heat. There are arguments both ways, however, Debian has chosen systemd so it is good to how how it works
09:09<bobble>know how
09:10<stichitime>Ill get use to it. Might even learn to like it.
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09:11<b17>the hardest part for me is all the manpages, it's a lot to take in.
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09:18<RuntimeException>hi, i'd like to know how do you install and enable a systemd service in Makefile?
09:18<Naksu>stichitime: if you approach it with an open mind and don't have too many setbacks you'll probably reach a point where you like it and start groaning every time you see the sysvinit compatibility layer glue in barely-maintained debian packages
09:19<RuntimeException>i'm packaging a new package and my mentor isn't pleased about upstream Makefile
09:20<stichitime>Naksu, they say it hurts less if you don't pucker. So yeah an open mind will help.
09:23<itd>RuntimeException: Then maybe patch the existing service file?
09:23<RuntimeException>wat?
09:24<Naksu>i'm pretty happy with it, i even use the user services part in a piece of software i made
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09:25<DividedByZero>itd: service files all ok
09:25<itd>RuntimeException: I misread.
09:25<itd>DividedByZero: Thanks. :)
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09:26<Naksu>though i'll admit part of it is because i consider sysvinit a relic from the 70s not fit for any purpose
09:26<itd>RuntimeException: You could try #debian-mentors
09:27<DividedByZero>that's 🤔
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09:27<DividedByZero>i'm just asking about Makefile style
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09:30<DividedByZero>i'm finding right Makefile approach that can persuade upstream to accept patch
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09:33<itd>DividedByZero: Move the install/enable part in its own target and make sure that target is never called when the debian package is build. ;)
09:34<itd>DividedByZero: No idea, sorry.
09:34<DividedByZero>:/
09:35<itd>DividedByZero: Try #debian-mentors, if you are packaging for debian.
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09:36<DividedByZero>ok, thanks
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10:25<Wxpsp3>Hello all
10:25<Wxpsp3>Help me pls
10:25<Wxpsp3>I want to uprage my Windows XP
10:25<Wxpsp3>Give my some loli wallpaper pls
10:26<Wxpsp3>*me
10:26<towo`>play elsewhere
10:27<Wxpsp3>I want cp loli
10:27<Wxpsp3>For my XP wallpaper
10:27<Wxpsp3>But I cant find it
10:27<towo`>troll elsewhere
10:28<towo`>here i #debian, not #wallpaperes nor #winxp
10:28<towo`>s/i/is
10:28<Wxpsp3>There is no jike
10:28<Wxpsp3>For debian okay
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11:32<Warmango>Hello, I'm looking for a dragon distribution that can be easily installed via Disk and works with a HP Pavilion 533w
11:33<Warmango>Debian, auto-correct got me
11:34<Warmango>Is anyone here?
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11:34<itd>Warmango: Yes.
11:34<znoteer>Hi, I'd like to run redshift once when I log in to X. I've tried creating an .xsession with the redshift command in it, but that didn't work. When I wrote the command suffixed with a "&", it started redshift, but sent me right back to the display manager login screen. Without the "&", my system just hung at the root window, but with nothing in it. Where would I put the redshift command to make this work?
11:35<Warmango>Okay, any ideas? My specs are no gpu, 1gb dd2 ram, and 50gb idea hard-drive
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11:35<znoteer>I've looked at /etc/xdm/xfce/Xinitrc, but that just confuses me. According to man startx, .xsession is the place to do what I want
11:35<Logg_>znoteer, you can run a bash script with your display manager.
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11:36<znoteer>Logg_, how? where do I put the script and how do I call it?
11:36<Logg_>depends on your display manager.
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11:36<Warmango> .... Guys?
11:37<itd>Warmango: I'm not quite sure what you mean by "a debian distribution".
11:37<znoteer>Logg: lightdm
11:37<itd>Warmango: Relax. IRC is slow.
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11:38<Logg>znoteer, in lightdm, check /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf for "session-setup-script" and "display-setup-script"
11:38<Warmango>As in at least a CLI environment that isn't resource heavy, so I can set up a VNC server for remote access to it
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11:38<znoteer>Logg: thanks, I'll have a look at those
11:39<itd>Warmango: You can select what you want during the install process.
11:39<Warmango>I need help finding one, Its an old as heck PC that barely runs Knoppix but runs Puppy fone
11:41<Warmango>And where the heck do I even download it?! Like seriously, I go to download, it only shows me 3rd party things not made by the guys that built debian
11:41<itd>Warmango: It should look like this [1], roughly. [1]: https://wiki.freepbx.org/download/attachments/46563656/debian-1.png?version=1&modificationDate=1438297205000&api=v2&effects=drop-shadow
11:41<Warmango>Let me open that
11:41<Warmango>And... Don't know where to get that installer
11:42<itd>dpkg: images
11:42<dpkg>There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
11:42<Logg>Warmango, try Debian Stretch. It works fine even on older hardware. I think support for processors below something like a pentium 4 was dropped with stretch, (works in jessie) https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg00001.html
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11:43<Warmango>Thanks, will look into it as I am using my phone talking right now
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11:44<itd>Warmango: To ask dpkg about <foo> use "/msg dpkg foo".
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11:45<Warmango>K, thabks
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12:02<znoteer>I modified /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to "session-setup-script=~/.config/xfce4-session/redshift" then created that file with just "redshift -l <long>:<lat>" in it. Logged out and logged back in ,but no redshift was started. Any more suggestions?
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12:06<znoteer>Logg: ^^^
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12:14<Logg>check logs and try to debug znoteer
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12:22<txt-file>I start redshift via xfce4-session and redshift gets it coordinates via its config file.
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12:26<verboese>Hi. Where does debian stores core files of running daemons, e.g. from cupsd? And what happens if the partition gets full while writing the core file and I kill the daemon?
12:30<sney>what do you mean by "core file"?
12:31<sney>cups uses /var/spool for print jobs, but the rest of it is just resident in memory
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12:36<RuntimeException>hi, i have a porting problem on kfreebsd. how can i use a porter box?
12:36<RuntimeException>(or just run a local virtual machine
12:37<petn-randall>verboese: Pretty much all config is in /etc/, and that scenario is rather unlikely, because config is only written on installation and when the admin edits the files.
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12:38<petn-randall>verboese: More likely is that it fails to write logs or database data if the disk runs full.
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12:42<RuntimeException>? :(
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12:49<verboese>I had a cupsd with segfault. I think it dumps a core somewhere below /var, as that got filled very quick until the 3 GB were full.
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12:56<super_koza>Hi all!
12:57<super_koza>I have 2 problems:
12:58<super_koza>1) Google Chrome got some weird purple haze. When I mark some text, it is not colored blue, but purple. Also, Facebook header is now purple. Firefox works as expected.
12:58<jhutchins_wk>super_koza: Why is purple a problem?
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12:59<super_koza>2) When I launch Files/Nautilus, it gets shown in the Gnome tab, but no window is drawn on the screen. Also, if I try swiching windows nothing happens. However, if I right click on the tab entry and choose New Window, it works.
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13:01<super_koza>Earlier today, when I wanted to shut down my pc, I was asked if some updates should be installed before shutting down. I chose yes, but nothing happened. PC shut down, started turning on and finally shut down.
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13:01<super_koza>I repeated the whole process again. After this apparently didn't work, I run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and the only package to upgrade was Google Chrome...
13:02<super_koza>Any ideas what could be going on?
13:02<sney>google chrome, being 3rd party, is not officially supported. (and google mainly targets ubuntu with their deb packages, so behavior on debian can be anomalous at times.) do you get the same behavior in chromium?
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13:03<super_koza>I don't have Chromium.
13:03<super_koza>I can try installing it...
13:03<super_koza>What the heck could be wrong with my Nautilus now?!
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13:06<sney>I use kde so I'm not sure about nautilus. does it do the same thing from a fresh user profile?
13:06<hthoreau>Evening.
13:07<sney>hi
13:07<hthoreau>I'm trying to build a deb package out of the most recent AMDGPU driver, provided here: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
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13:09<hthoreau>I'm totally a newbie into packaging, and I'm following this guide (https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Intro?action=show&redirect=IntroDebianPackaging) while comparing the files in the debian folder with those of the previous iteration of the amdgpu driver, version 1.3
13:09<hthoreau>So, I followed on until it was time to command "debuild -us -uc"
13:09<jhutchins_wk>verboese: I believe coredumps are disabled by default, otherwise they'd be in /var/crash
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13:10<hthoreau>It went on for a while, but ultimately failed. Here's the output: https://paste.debian.net/987295/
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13:11<sney>hthoreau: #debian-mentors is good for packaging questions as well. but I suspect you have something in debian/install that doesn't match the output from debuild
13:12<super_koza>Ok, so I created a new test user and Nautilus works there
13:13<sney>hthoreau: there is also the 'uupdate' tool that can generate an updated debianized source tree, given the current debian one and an upstream tarball, which may make your life easier
13:13<super_koza>I have dropbox installed as well
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13:13<super_koza>But that shouldn't affect Nautilus
13:13<super_koza>Are there some config files that I could just remove?
13:14<hthoreau>sney: Cool, I'll check both of your suggestions. If I find any more problems I'll consult with debian-mentors. Thanks1
13:14<hthoreau>Thanks!*
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13:15<jhutchins_wk>super_koza: What's probably happening with Nautilus is that it's opening a window off-screen. You might be able to recover it by using the keyboard commands to move the window on-screen. (There is usually a key combination that will enable "Move" with the arrow keys. I don't know what it is for Gnome.)
13:16<jhutchins_wk>super_koza: You might be happier just creating a new user and moving known config files to that user.
13:16<super_koza>Nope! No need to create a new user. You were right! :D
13:16<super_koza>Damn...
13:16<super_koza>Super key + arrows solved the Nautilus problem...
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13:17<super_koza>jhutchins_wk: Well content in Chrome looks weird with this purple tint. It should be blue instead.
13:17<jhutchins_wk>Yay!
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13:18<super_koza>I mean, purple links mean visited and blue are usually not visited...
13:18<jhutchins_wk>The only thing I've known to cause color aberations is a loose display cable.
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13:18<super_koza>Nope. Firefox works as expected, so does everything else...
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13:19<sney>but if it's only in chrome and not other applications I would suspect a chrome extension doing something weird, or some other settings tomfoolery
13:19<hthoreau>Ooops.
13:19<super_koza>I removed Chrome and its config files. Let's see if new installation will be any better...
13:20<super_koza>Ok, I have another "problem".
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13:22<super_koza>With multiple Debian installations, both 8 and 9, sometimes when I open terminal and enter it, the whole display kinda tilts for a sec.
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13:23<petn-randall>super_koza: "tilts"?
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13:24<super_koza>shifts rapidly right and left
13:24<super_koza>it's maybe a blink also
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13:24<super_koza>no idea
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13:25<petn-randall>super_koza: Does on a graphical VT, or the console you can access with ctrl+alt+F1?
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13:28<super_koza>petn-randall: graphical VT?
13:28<super_koza>So, new Chrome install didn't help.
13:29<super_koza>Could you verify that the selected paragraph is colored purpe in this screenshot?
13:29<super_koza>https://ibb.co/fYXrtk
13:29<super_koza>ibb.co is shorthand for imgbb.com
13:29<super_koza>it's no spam I promise! :)
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13:30<petn-randall>super_koza: it's purple. I was referring to your terminal problem. Are you using the plain VT, or something like gnome-terminal or xfce4-terminal that causes problems?
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13:32<super_koza>F*cking Chrome...
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13:32<super_koza>I'm using standard terminal
13:32<petn-randall>
13:32<super_koza>GNOME Terminal 3.22.2
13:32<super_koza>Using VTE version 0.46.1 +GNUTLS
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13:35<petn-randall>super_koza: Then I'd guess it shakes like that when the terminal bell is rang?
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13:38<super_koza>Don't thinks so... The whole display is affected. Not only the terminal.
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14:46<nik>hello
14:46<nik>by default i am directed here
14:46<nik>because i use debian based
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14:46<annadane>nik, what are you using specifically?
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14:46<Guest5206>i am using sparky linux
14:47<Guest5206>and it is fresh install/updated
14:47<Guest5206>but it bugs me acpi error
14:47<Guest5206>and i have disabled secure boot
14:47<annadane>at first glance sparky doesn't seem to have an irc, but you can try https://sparkylinux.org/forum/
14:47<annadane>debian based is not supported in #debian
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15:52<guardian>hello, how can I get /etc/mysql/my.cnf as if I just installed the package?
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15:57<jhutchins_wk>guardian: Create it.
15:57<jhutchins_wk>guardian: see /usr/share/doc/mysql*
15:57<jhutchins_wk>guardian: There's also a setup script iirc.
15:57<jhutchins_wk>!mysql
15:57<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mysql is a fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It is the world's most popular open source database. To install, ask me about <install mysql>. http://wiki.debian.org/MySql http://mysql.com/ #mysql on irc.freenode.net, #debian-mysql on irc.oftc.net. See also <mysql test>, <mysql squeeze>, <mysql checking>, <mariadb>
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16:15<guardian>I want to compare /etc/mysql/my.cnf after 2 upgrade cycles with what I would have if installing from scratch
16:15<guardian>without looking into a fresh install, is it possible?
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16:19<somiaj>guardian: what version of debian are you running?
16:20<somiaj>debconf cna be used to compare a users config to a the stock config, but in general upgrades in stable should not be changing the default config files, so unsure what sort of changes you want to track.
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16:48<guardian>stretch
16:49<guardian>I want to get a sense of what changed between wheezy -> jessie -> stretch
16:49<guardian>knowing that the wheezy box initially used packages from MariaDB because they didn't exist in debian
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16:55<chris__>howto install grub on legacy bios with gpt? mbr partition starts at sector 2048. cant set it to 1 in gdisk.
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17:57<guardian>with the new multivariants my.cnf, where should I put innodb_file_per_table=1 ?
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18:36<rnickb>https://askubuntu.com/a/246721
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18:38<rnickb>it creates: nginx_1.13.5-2~stretch.debian.tar.xz nginx_1.13.5-2~stretch.dsc nginx_1.13.5.orig.tar.gz… is there any description for how such a source package is expected to be run manually?
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20:25<znoteer>txt-file: are you still here? I've figured out how to get redshift to get its configuration info from a file. But, how do I tell xfce4-session to invoke redshift when I start an x session? Do I put something in .config, or .cache? I'm not able to figure it from man xfce4-session :(
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20:29<coruja>znoteer, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce#Startup_application
20:29<znoteer>hmm, I see he/she's no longer here. Can anyone else help me? I'm trying to figure out how to get redshift to start when I open an X session. txt-file said he gets it to start using xfce4-session, but I can't figure out how to do that
20:29<znoteer>coruja: thanks, I'll have a look
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20:31<somiaj>I belive you can just create a .desktop file and then include it in an autostart dir.
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20:34<coruja>or copy it if existing from /usr/share/applications/
20:37<znoteer>somiaj: what is an autostart directory? I can't see anything like that in "man xfce4-session"
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20:38<znoteer>coruja: I don't see redshift in /usr/share/applications
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20:39<coruja>as i said 'if existing', but you would have to edit the copy anyway as you use a config for redshift different from default
20:39<somiaj>znoteer: it is a freedesktop standard, I think $HOME/.local/autostart or something like that.
20:40<coruja>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Desktop_entries#Autostart
20:40<somiaj>listen to coruja link, it is $HOME/.config/autostart
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20:41<coruja>redshift-gtk: /usr/share/applications/redshift-gtk.desktop
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20:46<znoteer>I don't have /usr/share/applications/redshift-gtk.desktop. But, I've copied my redshift config file to ~/.config/autostart/redshift.desktop. I'm going to close my session and log in again to see if that works. I'll be offline briefly
20:47<coruja>i doubt that that will work
20:48<znoteer>why?
20:48<coruja>.desktop isn't just a file ending but needs also to be in a certain format
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20:49<coruja>what about using my first xfce-built-in solution?
20:49<coruja>s/solution/suggestion/
20:50<znoteer>hmm, I only have xfce4-settings-helper-autostart.desktop, but it looks to be in ini format as is my redshift config file
20:50<coruja>add a new entry there with your enhanced cli command for redhsift
20:50<coruja>redshift
20:51<znoteer>add a new entry in the xfce-settings-helper-autostart.desktop file?
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20:51<coruja>"To add an entry, click the Add button and fill out the form, specifying the path to an executable you want to run."
20:51<coruja>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce#Startup_applications
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20:53<znoteer>I tried that, but there is no "add" button, only a "new" button. When I click the "new" button, the only things that the form asks for is "property" (maybe "setting". I'm translating from French) and a "type" field with choices like string, int, double.
20:54<znoteer>there is nowhere to input an application name
20:54<coruja>ok, i see, maybe outdated info there, i don't use xfce myself
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20:55<znoteer>OK. For want of a better solution, I'm going to try logging out and back in again
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21:00<znoteer>you were right about it not working
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21:06<b17_>znoteer: use paste.debian.net to show people the file you made ~/.config/autostart/redshift.desktop
21:07<b17_>https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/apa.html
21:08<znoteer>b17_: OK, I'll paste. But judging by the link you gave, my file is no good :(
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21:09<b17_>znoteer: it's ok xfce4 may not follow it exactly anyway
21:10<b17_>why not just copy one that already exists
21:11<znoteer>paste.debian.net/hidden/40bc86d0
21:11<znoteer>copy a .desktop file?
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21:12<b17_>znoteer: you can copy one, rename and edit it to use the redshift command.
21:12<b17_>znoteer: put it in the right autostart and you're done
21:13<znoteer>I only have on .desktop file to copy: xfce4-settings-helper-autostart.desktop
21:14<znoteer>it's pretty sparse
21:14<znoteer>but I'll try to make one using the link you provided
21:14<b17_>usually there's a short one for xterm in /usr.share/applications that doesn;t have too much crap in it
21:15<b17_>maybe debian-xterm.desktop
21:16<znoteer>OK, I'll try to make something based on your link and that debian-xterm.desktop
21:16<znoteer>file
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21:29<znoteer>b17_: that didn't work, either. Here's my redshift.desktop file: paste.debian.net/hidden/26280628
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21:34<znoteer>I changed "Type=utility" to "Type=application" and redshift is running according to ps, but it isn't shifting my display to red
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21:36<coruja>znoteer, you need to make redshift use your config file
21:36<b17_>znoteer: redshift sounds more like a continual daemon that shifts color based on time of day? would this be better controlled by a service manager thru systemd?
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21:38<znoteer>coruja: how do I make redshift use my config file?
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21:39<znoteer>according to man redshift, my file is named correctly and in the correct directory (.config)
21:39<b17_>hmm, actually it has a service file according to https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/redshift/filelist
21:40<coruja>and a .desktop file ;)
21:40<b17_>yeah i don;t understand the difficulty
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21:44<mnuhmnuh>meh. use dwm for a week and ignore this. it'll sort out. >:-)
21:45<znoteer>b17_: I'm still on jessie. There doesn't appear to be a systemd service file for redshift on jessie
21:46<znoteer>Before desktop managers, I would just put stuff I wanted to start in .xsession and I was done.
21:47<coruja>oh, jessie
21:48<b17_>znoteer: i don't use xdg stuff much myself, but you can drop in a service for redshift on jessie, systemd is pretty mush agnostic
21:49<b17_>did you check backports?
21:50<znoteer>no, I didn't. But, I'd like to avoid backports because I want to upgrade to stretch soon, and I recall reading something about backports possibly causing problems on system upgrades
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21:54<b17_>znoteer: what kind of problems?
21:55<b17_>you could swipe the service file anyway, shouldn't cause a fuss.
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22:01<znoteer>b17_: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#file-conflicts
22:01<b17_>"can occur if you have unofficial backports installed"
22:02<znoteer>backports are by definition unofficial, are they not?
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22:02<b17_>i never use unofficial.backports.debian.org what's it for?
22:04<znoteer>I don't think there is an unofficial.backports.debian.org. All I'm saying is that aren't backports "unofficial" as in, not part of a "pure" debian system?
22:06<b17_>znoteer: that's a good point i would think it was talking more about locally backported pkgs, but I couldn't say for sure.
22:06<b17_>znoteer: but creating or borrowing a service file for redshift from stretch won't hose your upgrade.
22:07<znoteer>I'm going to log out and in again to try something. Going offline a few seconds
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22:10<coruja>znoteer, maybe you want to install gtk-redshift for more convenient configuration
22:13<znoteer>OK. ID10t problem here. I changed the nighttime temperature to 1000 instead of the default 3700. redshift is, in fact, starting. I am just too tired to have noticed the subtle difference. At 1000k, it is noticeable. Sorry for troubling you all :( , and thanks for the help :)
22:13<coruja>then enjoy ;)
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22:17<annadane>coruja, did you mean redshift-gtk? gtk-redshift is a transitional package
22:17<coruja>annadane, (s)he's still on jessie
22:18<annadane>ahh jessie
22:18<annadane>right, i read that and then promptly forgot about it
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22:24<tomg>backports are official now, as of a distribution ago
22:24<tomg>i think
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23:20<elof1>Why would I unable to change to MATE from Xfce by using tasksel remove xfce?
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23:23<dpkg>If no-one has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about Debian, Linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Ask me about <repeat> and <ask>.
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23:32<elof1>problem solved after I purge it
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23:39<coruja>http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/tracker.debian.org
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