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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-09-25

---Logopened Mon Sep 25 00:00:11 2017
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02:18<user09>please im italian i speack just little
02:19<Yoda-BZH>!it
02:19<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
02:20<user09>grazie
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03:16<guardian>mnuhmnuh: it just says device's busy
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03:29<jelly>guardian: mounting (not remounting) an ext3 fs as ext4 should be possible. From that point on, your fs is ext4 but only new files will actually use ext4 features
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03:34<guardian>what worries me is that I can't fsck the root partition contrary to instructions found in https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/UpgradeToExt4
03:35<jelly>how does it fail?
03:36<jelly>oh, root partition. You have to do it while the filesystem is not mounted, so, boot from a live usb or something else
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03:38<jelly>ooh, > Starting in e2fsprogs 1.43 you will be able to run e2fsck with -E bmap2extent -fy
03:38<jelly>,v e2fsprogs
03:38<judd>Package: e2fsprogs on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.42.12-2+b1; jessie-backports: 1.43.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.43.4-2; buster: 1.43.6-1; sid: 1.43.6-1
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03:47<ghost_>hey
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04:12<delYsid>I have been using predictable network interface names on a few stretch machines. After a stable upgrade just today, all my interface names have gone back to eth*. Any idea why?
04:13<grawity>are they regular PCI(e) interfaces?
04:14<grawity>does `udevadm info /sys/class/net/eth0` show the names under ID_NET_NAME_{PATH,SLOT}?
04:20<delYsid>grawity: Yes, ID_NET_NAME_PATH is present
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04:34<delYsid>Fuck this, if Microsoft Debian insists on renaming the interfaces again, lets make it happy and edit all sorts of config files.
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04:37<annadane>"microsoft debian"
04:38<Zimsky>that damn microsoft debian
04:38<Zimsky>we must all edit arbitrary config files to appease the microsoft debian god
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05:15<itd>Woixjk: Hello.
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05:43<skainz>hello, alter updatting my kernel to 4.9.30-2-deb9u5, my interface names are not persistent anymore. now i have th0/1.., but i used to have e.g. enp1s0f1 ? any clues ?
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05:51<Anarka>eth0 or th0 ?
05:52<sjzurek_>eth0
05:53<sjzurek_>obvs a typo :)
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05:57<skainz>Anarka, eth0
05:57<Anarka>anything in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ?
05:57<Anarka>shouldnt get create now but...
05:57<Anarka>created
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05:58<skainz>Anarka, no, /etc/udev/rules.d/ dir is empty, it used to work until today.
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06:14<Woixjk>The glory of systemd
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06:16<Woixjk>askubuntu.com/questions/689070/network-interface-name-changes-after-update-to-15-10-udev-changes
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06:20<annadane>this is a debian support channel, not a bitch about systemd channel
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06:25<Woixjk>I did not bitch about it lol,
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06:26<itd>skainz: Not a fix, but you could try to create a systemd .link file (as suggested here [1], also "man systemd.link") to enforce the expected name. [1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/08/msg01701.html
06:27<annadane>sorry. i didn't read it properly in the context of the current conversation
06:29<Woixjk>It was more like an explanation of what the root cause is. I do like systemd but yes, some thing has changed but fortunaly there is quite easy fixes
06:29<Woixjk>I will
06:29<Woixjk>nvm :)
06:29<annadane>again, sorry. it'll teach me not to comment on conversations i'm only half reading
06:30<Woixjk>no problem, I do the same sometimes too :)
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06:36<skainz>annadane, well, temprarily switching back to 4.9.30-2+deb9u2 makes all things working again as expected..
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06:54<Woixjk>skainz, check out the link posted by me and itd posted
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07:03<gunix>is having luks encryption on top of stiped LV on 3 PVs a good idea? or will you get better encryption with luks + linear lv ?
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07:10<skainz>Woixjk, ok, thanks. But looks like this is not the ussie. i also hove o persist-enet.ruels fiels. i have, however, sime entries like could not rename interface '2' from 'eth0' to 'enp4s0f0': Device or resource busy in the boot log
07:10<skainz>s/ussie/cuase
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07:25<itd>skainz: https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/9/225 ?
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07:34<skainz>itd, thanks, but no. i am using 10g interfaces here, not inifiband/mlx4.
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07:40<Woixjk>skainz, oh alright. I will check my server when I am at home, I have SFP+ ports on that one actually
07:40<Woixjk>sstorf4d
07:40<Woixjk>rip username
07:41<Woixjk>I hate synergy sometimes...
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07:44<grawity>skainz: ah, I was kind of guessing something like that
07:44<grawity>the most common reason for interfaces not getting renamed is they're already up
07:44<grawity>I dunno why that's something brought by an upgrade
07:44<grawity>but maybe e.g. networking.service or ifup@ starts too early?
07:45<skainz>grawity, yes, but how might i find out which system/daemon already grabs the interface?
07:45<grawity>visual grep your boot log for possible hints
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09:01<skainz>ok, solved: after kernel update, i had to create a new .link file with NamePolicy=slot in the [Link] section, folled by an update-initramfs -u. After reboot i have my iface names back.
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09:33<eyeris>I switch from gnome3 to gnome3-classic to debug an opengl problem. I've switched back to gnome3 and I now have the gnome3-classic top and bottom bars on top of the normal, composited gnome3 UI. How can I fix that?
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09:37<grawity>take a look at Extensions in gnome-tweak-tool; maybe they didn't get disabled
09:37<grawity>or, actually, this reminds me of a gdm bug
09:37<grawity>does it go away after a reboot?
09:37<eyeris>I've already looked at the extension list. They are all disabeld except the straight-top-bar extension I installed that removes the rounded corners.
09:38<eyeris>I haven't rebooted since.
09:39<eyeris>I guess I'll try that next.
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09:39<grawity>gotta run, but take a look at `systemctl --user show-environment`
09:39<grawity>gdm used to forgot unsetting some envvars
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09:45<max_>Hi
09:45<max_>Is anyone here?
09:46<max_>Is anyone here?
09:46<duclicsic>828 people in total
09:46<duclicsic>some may be bots
09:46<duclicsic>do you have a question about debian?
09:47<avu>!ask
09:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:49<max_>Omg, i'm talking with linux nerds. That's awesome!
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09:51<duclicsic>max_: careful we're easily startled. did you have a question or are you just here to observe?
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09:52<max_>I'm here to observe
09:53<max_>i just wanted to be sure that most of you are not deep web creeps
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09:53<max_>I just installed debian stretch
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09:56<eyeris>Yep, reboot fixed it.
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09:57<itd>dpkg: chat
09:57<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
09:57<itd>max_: So (hopefully) it is quieter than you expect. ;)
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10:06<Woixjk>Does anyone know what QUIC will arrive for apache?
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10:19<moka>Hi, over the weekend my HDMI output disappeared. I used to use nvidia drivers, I now have switched to intel integrated card but still no luck. I don't remember doing any upgrades on friday so it might be an hw failure? Still sound strange to me. Do you have any idea on how to test it? Here's the xrandr output http://paste.debian.net/987669/
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10:20<moka>This morning, using the nvidia drivers, the (ex) HDMI-1 output was missing completely (not marked as disconnected)
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10:23<itd>moka: Maybe /var/log/apt/history.log* remembers whether you upgraded/installed something. :)
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10:27<moka>itd: no trace of upgrading anything actually. That's why i though of an hardware failure but it still seems strange that everything works fine except the HDMI output that is missing
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10:32<deadman>hello
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10:32<itd>deadman: Hello.
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10:38<Guest5372>hii
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10:42<Guest5372>i dare you to answer me
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10:51<Woixjk>hi Guest5372
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10:55<sjzurek>what is going on today? madness!
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11:14<stevenm_>Hey I've either discovered a bug - or I'm just missing something :S according to my calculations... the following should make a package install without any questions...
11:14<stevenm_>echo libdvd-pkg libdvd-pkg/first-install note | debconf-set-selections
11:14<stevenm_>echo libdvd-pkg libdvd-pkg/post-invoke_hook-install boolean true | debconf-set-selections
11:14<stevenm_>apt-get -y install libdvd-pkg
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11:14<stevenm_>whilst it does stop the 'note' from appearing - the post-invoke_hook-install question is still asked, tried this on multiple debian 8 and 9 systems and also on a VM where i keep rolling a snapshot back
11:15<stevenm_>can anyone else recreate this?
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12:19<jelly>gunix: encryption performance usually has CPU as a bottleneck, not disks, so if the storage backend is faster and you have leftover cpu% you may see improvement
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12:19<MikeDebian>I'm transforming a Debian 8 single drive server to a raid1. I'm now on the process of rsync (initial copy) of the data from one drive to another. both drives are dell enterprise/server drives and are exactly the same. the rsync is being very very slow. I've also stopped it and tested writing speeds of the disks. They are extremely low. Is it normal for the speed to drop while the raid is not complete and running?
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12:20<jelly>MikeDebian: if the raid array is rebuilding right now, yes writes will be a lot slower than later
12:20<jelly>reads too
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12:22<MikeDebian>jelly, it is doing the final rebuilding/sync yet. I'm just initially copying the data from one to another
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12:22<MikeDebian>the raid now only has the second drive
12:22<MikeDebian>the first drive will be added later and final sync will be done there
12:22<jelly>MikeDebian: I have to ask, what is it exactly that you're rsyncing, was there something stopping you from building array(s) from already existing filesystems?
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12:23<jelly>ah, so your raid1 have/has a (missing) member right now
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12:23<MikeDebian>I'm basically following this tutorial (https://www.guyrutenberg.com/2013/12/01/setting-up-raid-using-mdadm-on-existing-drive/) to convert a single drive system to a raid
12:23<MikeDebian>yes, that's correct. at this moment it's still missing one drive
12:24<MikeDebian>And I'm now rsyncing the data from the current drive (missing one) to the added drive (already part of the array)
12:25<jelly>right. I usually have backups, so I cut some steps out, instead shrinking the filesystems just a little bit, then making raid1 with existing data as member
12:25<MikeDebian>this rsyncing operation is not more than merely copy the files
12:25<jelly>MikeDebian: well, if you have millions of files this will be slow anyway
12:26<MikeDebian>431GB of data. but following rsync progress I can see speeds even for bigger files is really slow (5/7MB)
12:26<jelly>one benefit of doing it your way is you'll defragment all the files on the new copy
12:27<jelly>it's possible your files are just that fragmented and your disks slow enough so that all the seeking is destroying performance
12:27<MikeDebian>I don't sync that's the problem
12:27<jelly>(more likely if this is a mature installation, and you've have > 80-90% space used the whole time)
12:28<MikeDebian>actually I stopped rsync and tested to write some files to the disks. Speed would not go above 20MB/s
12:28<MikeDebian>which is sooo slow
12:28<jelly>on the new, empty disk?
12:28<MikeDebian>on both actually
12:29<MikeDebian>and they are way faster before starting the raid setup
12:29<jelly>that's slow. How old is this server, what kinds of drives you got there (SATA, SCSI, SAS attached? 7200rpm? 10k? 15k?)
12:29<MikeDebian>and I noticed /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max was only 200000
12:29<MikeDebian>ie around MB/s
12:29<jelly>sure, but that's 200MB/s
12:30<jelly>and is only relevant when the array is (re)building iirc
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12:30<MikeDebian>the server is not old. it is a new Dell T30
12:31<MikeDebian>drives are SATA 7200rpm
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12:31<jelly>crappy, but not that crappy, and not near the beginning of the disk
12:32<MikeDebian>This server already run cheaper disks with wayyy bigger performance
12:32<jelly>MikeDebian: what does reading from the disk directly give you
12:32<MikeDebian>it is not related to the server
12:32<MikeDebian>reading seems much better though
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12:33<MikeDebian>I'm trying to run hdparm to get some info but it's being slow as well
12:33<jelly>it's a server board, perhaps the controller intentionally disables drive's own write cache by default?
12:33<MikeDebian>I run hdparm before the raid and it was within spec
12:33<jelly>MikeDebian: also, is there a reason you've picked oldstable instead of current Debian 9
12:34<MikeDebian>before raid I tested the disk (at the least the first one) and I got about 16 000MB of caching speed and about 202MB buffered
12:34<jelly>but if reading is fine then it probably isn't a driver/kernel version related issue
12:35<MikeDebian>Debian 8 is what is/was already running
12:35<jelly>ah
12:35<MikeDebian>I really seems it has everything to do with raid
12:36<MikeDebian>it really*
12:36<jelly>except your first drive isn't in raid yet
12:36<MikeDebian>yes, that may explain the issue
12:36<MikeDebian>that's why my first question was if it was normal to have lower speeds while the raid is not complete
12:36<jelly>so writing to that one should not be affected by any potential md raid craziness
12:37<jelly>well, you can stop and nuke the raid on second disk, and test again
12:38<jelly>(test writes to the first drive, that is)
12:38<jelly>it's possible they were always this bad
12:40<jelly>MikeDebian: which sata controller is in there, something weird or not? pastebin your "lspci -nn" output, and "cat /proc/mdstat" and "dmesg" and "lsblk" for good measure
12:40<jelly>!paste
12:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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12:41<jelly>MikeDebian: and can you get any useful output out of hdparm -W ...
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12:44<MikeDebian>http://paste.debian.net/987700
12:44<MikeDebian>just didnt ut dmesg as its a big output but if you really need it ok
12:45<MikeDebian>hdparm -W returns all the options
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13:06<itd>Alex_Marcer: Then ask your question. :)
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13:23<jhutchins_wk>!ask
13:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:26<itd>jhutchins_wk: Whatever it was (Alex_Marcer has quit) about, I doubt it was on-topic. ;)
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13:28<jelly>,pciid 8086:a102
13:28<judd>[8086:a102] is 'Sunrise Point-H SATA controller [AHCI mode]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a102
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13:29<jelly>MikeDebian: well that looks like some generic intel ahci thing
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13:30<MikeDebian>jelly, and what would that mean in this case?
13:30<jelly>it probably works well in linux
13:30<jhutchins_wk>itd: Meh, people who don't understand the process here (or irc in general) sometimes think they need to establish a 1:1 before they can work a problem. They think it's like calling a help desk.
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13:30<jelly>MikeDebian: is there a reason you've created a write bitmap on the larger array right away? It shouldn't have _that_ bad a consequence but who knows
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13:31<jelly>MikeDebian: and it would not affect writes on filesystems on /dev/sda that are not part of raid yet
13:31<MikeDebian>I've just following that tutorial. I didn't create it at least that I knew
13:32<jelly>MikeDebian: drop it, see if there's any difference; you can always recreate it later
13:33<jelly>mdadm -G -b none /dev/mdwhatever I think
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13:33<jhutchins_wk>MikeDebian: Are these new drives?
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13:34<MikeDebian>i'm dropping it jelly
13:34<jelly>MikeDebian: also, run rsync again, open a different terminal and run "iostat -mx 1", paste some 20-50 lines thereof
13:34<MikeDebian>jhutchins_wk, yes they are
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13:34<jelly>it's in sysstat package, install if absent
13:34<jhutchins_wk>MikeDebian: Could be a bad one, or a bad connection. Might poke around with smartmontools.
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13:34<jelly>jhutchins_wk: their read performance is apparently fine on both disks
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13:35<jelly>or at least the read peformance with the small bit at the beginning of the disk that hdparm -T reads
13:35<jhutchins_wk>Could be doing a lot of retries on write.
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13:35<MikeDebian>i'm rebooting
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13:36<jelly>no needto
13:36<MikeDebian>speeds back to normal
13:36<MikeDebian>I'll now test individually both drives
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13:40<MikeDebian>hdparm -Tt /dev/sda and sdb returns very similar results. close to 17 000 MB/sec cached reads and around 200MB/sec buffered
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13:45<user_>hi
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13:46<user_>dual boot windows10 and ubuntu ///how can i uninstall ubuntu
13:46<user_>is there anyone
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13:48<dboles>!ubuntu
13:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
13:48<jelly>MikeDebian: what about pv < /dev/sdb > /dev/null ?
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13:49<jelly>user_: ask in ##windows how to delete ubuntu's partitions and whether it's necessary to replace the boot loader as well
13:50<jelly>sorry
13:50<jelly>##windows is on irc.freenode.net
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13:50<MikeDebian>around 200MB/sec jelly
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13:51<jelly>MikeDebian: ^C it. What about sdb5 ?
13:51<MikeDebian>it bounces between 193 and 207MB
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13:51<MikeDebian>to sdb5 100MB/sec
13:51<jelly>(control-c)
13:51<jelly>that seems sane
13:51<jelly>quite fast, even, for a sata drive
13:52<MikeDebian>exactly the same specs for sda
13:52<MikeDebian>yes these are fast
13:52<jelly>and are md arrays up right now? (cat /proc/mdstat)
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13:53<MikeDebian>no they weren't. i've just recreated them
13:54<jelly>(they shouldn't be, not until you add them to /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf)
13:54<MikeDebian>and testing the speed
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13:54<MikeDebian>they were at /etc/mdadm already because I added them when setting up
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13:55<MikeDebian>I'm recreating the steps and see where the speed drops
13:56<jelly>but read speeds never dropped
13:57<jelly>MikeDebian: how much do you get with eg. pv < /dev/zero > /root/file-write-test
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13:58<MikeDebian>it bounces between 145 and 160MB/sec
13:58<jelly>rm /root/file-write-test & after you interrupt the process
13:58<MikeDebian>done
13:59<jelly>so now create a temp. filesystem on md on top of /dev/sdb5 (not the big one), mount it eg. on /mnt, and try the same write test
13:59<jelly>pv < /dev/zero > /mnt/lots-of-zeros
14:00<jelly>(why not the big one? because ext4 does quite a bit of initializing in background the first time a new ext4 fs is mounted, and it takes a while)
14:01<jelly>(you can see that with iostat, something writing on the device while the filesystem is just mounted and idle)
14:01<MikeDebian>it quite bounces from 110 to 300MB/sec or so but average seems to be 190MB
14:02<jelly>it will slow down
14:02<jelly>kernel caches writes, until some point, and you're going to fill that fs up reasonably quickly
14:03<MikeDebian>ok
14:03<MikeDebian>speeds seem fine now
14:03<jelly>so let it fill up, don't remember if pv dies or starts spewing errors
14:03<jelly>but you'll know it
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14:04<jelly>MikeDebian: how much RAM is there?
14:05<jelly>do a "sysctl -w vm.dirty_background_ratio=1" to minimize the write-to-disk caching delay before testing further
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14:06<jelly>1% of 16GB means about 160MB would get cached before kernel starts writing it to disk
14:07<jelly>MikeDebian: you can leave "iostat -mx 1" running in a different terminal/screen/tmux/ssh to see what's actually going down to disk
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14:08<jelly>MikeDebian: did it finish yet? 16GB at 100MB/s is three minutes or less
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14:09<jelly>MikeDebian: I'll be away from irc for a bit, good luck
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14:22<gunix>jelly: the CPU is i7-6700K CPU @ 4.2GHz ... the storage is made by 3 SSD, but they are different models. right now, i have a stripped LV over all 3. i am wondering if i should use linear or stripped if i switch the LV to encryption
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14:23<freddyz>hi
14:23<freddyz>anyone can explain me why debian is better by arch?
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14:24<Brigo>freddyz, than arch you mean?
14:24<gunix>freddyz: debian is a stable linux distro. archlinux is a rolling release with new software that is not really tested. none of them is "better". they are best suited for different scenarios
14:24<freddyz>yes. than :D excuseme
14:24<grawity>debian includes a free speling/grammer check
14:25<freddyz>wonderful lol
14:25<Brigo>XDD
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14:25<gunix>freddyz: you can use for example openstack on debian, but not on arch. however, on arch you can have the newest kernel and the latest nvidia drivers... which are kind of a headache on debian.
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14:26<itd>freddyz: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_compared_to_other_distributions#Debian
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14:27<grawity>gunix: so in other words, Arch is when you want Linux to actually work, but Debian is when you want to do actual work on Linux
14:27<gunix>freddyz: most of the other stuff is bullshit. like "you can configure arch how you want". you can also configure debian how you want. :) the main thing is ... packages on debian will be a few years old, but reaaaallly stable. debian will NEVER crash and you can do "apt dist-upgrade" on debian after 6 months without upgrade without having to worry that everything will break... however, on arch
14:27<gunix>you can't really do that. so the main qustion is: are you ready to go for new software, with possible bugs? or do you want a stable systm?
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14:28<retr0>guys, i've Kali linux with Gnome, but unable to find Graphics Driver for intel HD G., Help will be Appriciated!
14:28<gunix>grawity: the system will "actually work" on arch as well as on debian. maybe better on debian. but right now, you don't have "night light" on gnome on debian :D but yes, i would rather have debian on my work laptop, so i don't fear a crash
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14:28<gunix>retr0: try #kali-linux
14:28<gunix>or #kali
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14:28<retr0>thanks gentlemen
14:28<DigBick>IssyaBoy
14:28<gunix>can't remember the name. there must be an official channel
14:29<gunix>kali is on freenode, btw. not on oftc. i have no idea what server i am on atm :D
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14:31<dboles>for reference:
14:31<dboles>!kali
14:31<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
14:32<retr0>σξδκσδξ
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14:32<retr0>no answers on #KaliLinux
14:32<retr0>no answers on #Kali-linux to be exact
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14:33<gunix>retr0: this server is oftc, not freendoe
14:34<itd>retr0: And it's not the problem of #debian if #kali-linux is unable to help you. Sorry.
14:34<retr0>Nevermind.
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15:09<MikeDebian>jelly, I guess I found the issue. The problem apparently hadn't anything to do with raid. there were cron jobs (to rsync with backup servers) that started in the meantime and it was slowing down the all process
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15:12<grawity>run your backups under `nocache` and `nice` and maybe `ionice -c idle`
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15:22<crash_bandicoot02>hello what i need in order to create a blogspot??
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15:26<dboles>do you mean you want to set up a blogging website running on a debian server, or what?
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15:31<jelly>MikeDebian: yay!
15:33<jelly>gunix: dunno, I use luks below lvm, not the other way round. Try all the combinations and see what works best?
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15:34<jelly>gunix: when one ssd dies you'll lose all the data anyway :-)
15:37<crash_bandicoot02>dboles, the easy way and free way to create a blogspot what will it be??
15:38<dboles>go to https://www.blogger.com, which is the main domain for blogspot and create an account. does this have anything to do with debian?
15:39<dboles>i.e. do you *really* want a "blogspot" specifically, i.e. the google service, or do you just want a *blog*?
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15:40<crash_bandicoot02>dboles, which one es better the google service or www.blogger.com??
15:41<grawity>that's the same service
15:41<dboles>they're the same thing, and neither is on-topic for #debian, a channel for support questions about debian
15:42<crash_bandicoot02>ok
15:42<crash_bandicoot02>it is free right
15:42<crash_bandicoot02>?
15:42<dboles>why not just read the page and find out?
15:42<fstcw>rtfm?
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15:43<crash_bandicoot02>alright
15:44<dboles>maybe this will help
15:44<dboles>!offtopic
15:44<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
15:44<dboles>but there may be a better channel about setting up blogs on a different network; idk
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15:48<crash_bandicoot02>ok
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15:51<jhutchins_wk>crash_bandicoot02: BTW blogger/blogspot IS google.
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15:53<gunix>jelly: i guess the only chance i have is to test it out ...
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15:57<crash_bandicoot02>jhutchins, yes it is the same
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16:22<Kammi>hello
16:22<Kammi>i have problem with my windows mbr
16:22<Kammi>it says that BOOTMGR IS MISSING
16:23<Kammi>rescatux can help me enter windows or repair mbr?
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16:29<Brigo>Kammi, with that name, probably
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16:52<ach>mh.
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19:01<evilolive>Anyway to get thumbnails to work when looking at files on a remote NAS. Using Gnome
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19:02<evilolive>A NAS with 59K of photos and videos but no thumbs is a bit hard to navigate =)
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19:03<evilolive>Locally thumbs for the same files look fine
19:03<somiaj>how are you mounting this remote file system? Have you checked the configuration of nautilus, maybe it just defaults to no thumbnails on remote filesystems to save on network transfer.
19:04*mnuhmnuh geez, the earth shaking problems people have these days. thumbnails.
19:05<blast007>evilolive: in the nautilus preferences, there's a "Search & Preview" tab. The thumbnails setting defaults to "Files on this computer only"
19:06<evilolive>somiaj, blast007 been using xfce for years. Thought I would give Gnome a spin. Looking now for that search and preview.
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19:11<evilolive>blast007, not finding nautilus preferences. Do I need some extension or something?
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19:12<blast007>it's a drop down from the top bar on the screen (from the Files item), not from the nautilus window itself
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19:15<evilolive>blast007, found it! Remember the last time I used this was 2.43. The day they left the standard desktop metaphor I dumped it for xfce. Gnome is actually usable now.
19:16<evilolive>btw thx a ton!
19:16<somiaj>well my guess was right, but since I don't use gnome, had no clue where to find said option.
19:16<blast007>I've added/enabled a few extensions to make it more tolerable :)
19:17<evilolive>somiaj, I hated Gnome with a passion for a few years. Even made this video on how awesome xfce was.
19:17<evilolive>somiaj, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WnaZL3ARN0
19:18<somiaj>I'm still using the fvwm window manager....
19:19<evilolive>somiaj, I use that with OpenBSD and love it! Have a wicket profile!
19:19<evilolive>somiaj, clean and simple.
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20:49<N1nja>hello
20:50<N1nja>Anyone on?
20:50<N1nja>:-(
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20:53<N1nja>Hello?
20:54<N1nja>Debian?
20:54<N1nja>Hopefully someday....
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22:30<N1nja>hello?
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22:37<annadane>it's a support channel. just ask your question.
22:37<annadane>christ.
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22:37<annadane>is there a way to get irc to notify me if someone specific posts because god damn it i'm going to get them next time
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22:39<blast007>annadane: they might disappoint you and ask about something silly, like Kali
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