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00:11<xokulls>sa
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00:12<xokulls>hola, spanish
00:12<annadane>!ess
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00:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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01:27<somiaj>Trying to use --exclude=".*" with rsync in a script. If I set this in an enviorment variable OPT="-av --exclude=\".*\" --backup-dir=$BACKUP", the exclude option doesn't exclude hidden files, but if I append the command line onto rsync it works. When I echo $OPT and copy/paste that it works, so the escaping gets the quotes right. Not sure what else could be the issue.
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01:33<jm_>have you checked what arguments rsync actually gets? «strings -a /proc/<PID>/cmdline»
01:35<somiaj>jm_: my test is really quick, I don't think I can get that file fast enough.
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01:36<somiaj>I'll just put a large file to copy and double check what it says
01:38<somiaj>the command looks just fine in the ps fax output, looking at the cmdline file is identicle with quotes (just minus the spaces)
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01:39<somiaj>so I don't see why this option isn't correctly passing to rsync when I put it into an enviorment variable.
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01:41<jm_>right so it's the exclude option itself then, does --filter "- .*" work?
01:41<jm_>filter=
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01:43<somiaj>Unknown filter rule: `"-'
01:44<somiaj>that is what I get if I use it as a variable, works fine if I just copy/paste the command the variables would have created
01:44<jm_>OK so I actually went and tried it, eval rsync $OPT ... works for me
01:45<somiaj>hmm, intersting, well that is a better solution than having to put the options on each command line.
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01:48<jm_>I replaced rsync with rsync.sh and it gets --exclude=".*", literally, which explains why it doesn't work, and why eval helps
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02:02<somiaj>maybe onday I'll understand these subtleties
02:03<jm_>would probably work fine if you quoted other characters instead, i.e. '*'
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02:10<somiaj>jm_: I tried various different escaping of characters, didn't try to quote the * though.
02:10<jm_>somiaj: yeah I'd try various combinations of "' and quoting them too first ;)
02:11<jm_>it was that --filter= error which yielded a clue something's not quite as I imagined it to be
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02:43<work>hi, how can I install Debian from without USB/CD ?
02:43<work>from hard drive
02:44<jm_>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s04.html.en
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02:45<jm_>but you will want to read other sections before that one, i.e. where to obtain those files, booting specifics etc.
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02:47<work>jim: Thanks
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02:49<jm_>no problem
02:51<work>jim_ do I need to download additional package beside the .iso file?
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02:57<jm_>work: it's jm_, not jim -- .iso won't really help you to boot from hard disk (it's doable with memdisk or grub, but not explained in the manual) -- see 4.4.1 here https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s04.html.en
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03:00<jm_>i.e. http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
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03:03<work>jim_ I just view the iso archive, Now I know what to put in linux (loop) . Thanks
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03:19<minikdo>Hi, can anyone give me advice on NFS setting on Debian?
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03:23<annadane>minikdo, in general? or you have a specific question? just ask
03:24<minikdo>Yeah, I've got server /etc/exports set to /abc 192.168.1.2(rw,all_squash,anonuid=0,anongid=0,subtree_check)
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03:24<minikdo>Files in dir abc on server are owned by uid/gid 1005:1005
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03:25<minikdo>although on client machines it doesn't change to 1000 (sorry the export file suppose to be anonuid=1000,anongid=1000)
03:25<minikdo>the tested setting is really: 09:23 -!- daniel <~daniel@94.190.188.75> has joined #debian
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03:25<minikdo>09:23 < annadane> minikdo, in general? or you have a specific question? just ask
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03:26<grawity>which NFS version are you mounting with?
03:26<minikdo>sorry for wrong pasting...
03:26<minikdo>nfs 1.2.8 on stretch
03:26<grawity>that's just the nfs tools
03:26<jm_>nfs protocol version
03:27<minikdo>nfs4
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03:27<minikdo>[nfsd4]
03:27<grawity>as for the actual protocol, nfs v4 makes things weird with its idmapping features
03:27<grawity>I don't exactly remember now, so I'd first check with wireshark what the server is sending...
03:27<grawity>to know whether to blame the server, or the client's rpc.idmapd
03:28<minikdo>Oh, I see
03:28<grawity>maybe it sends a name ("nobody") and not the uid
03:28<minikdo>Shall I set NEED_IDMAPD=yes ?
03:28<minikdo>on server/client ?
03:30<grawity>I don't know
03:30<minikdo>I'm new to NFS as I started using in yesterday for the first time. The only thing I set up was /etc/exports
03:31<grawity>do that stuff *after* investigating
03:31<minikdo>grawity: so, I should look at the traffic on client, then?
03:32<grawity>yeah, I'd say do that first
03:32<grawity>you *might* need idmapd, yes; depends on what the server tries to send
03:33<minikdo>by the way, is there any way to check not with something else than wireshark, because the client is a remote machine, too?
03:33<grawity>tshark maybe
03:33<grawity>or pipe remote tcpdump into local wireshark
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03:34<minikdo>OK, I'll check that, thanks
03:34<jm_>you can do tcpdump -s 0 -w /tmp/foo.pcap and load it in wireshark on another system
03:34<grawity>yeah, or you can do ssh foo "sudo tcpdump -w - -U -i eth0 'not port 22'" | wireshark -k -i -
03:34<minikdo>jm_: thanks ;-)
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03:38<minikdo>permission problem on the remote iface. I'll try tshark.
03:40<grawity>you always need root for capturing
03:41<minikdo>OK, one moment
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03:48<minikdo>Guys, I run ssh -t remote1 "sudo tcpdump -w - -U -i enp2s0 'not port 22'" | wireshark -k -i - Wireshark says: Unrecognized pcap format
03:48<minikdo>any idea?
03:49<grawity>-t is likely to corrupt it
03:49<minikdo>I guess I need it to provice sudo password
03:49<grawity>ah
03:50<minikdo>;-)
03:50<grawity>well I guess you might have to use a temporary .pcap file instead, or ssh root@remote1
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03:53<minikdo>OK, it runs! One moment
03:54<minikdo>I've got NFS packets in wireshark. Where am I supposed to look for the information about uid?
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03:55<minikdo>I see UID:1000 and GID:1000
03:55<grawity>I haven't used nfs in a while so I don't remember what message/function/packet types to look for
03:56<minikdo>in Credentials
03:56<grawity>credentials are for access/authorization, but the "ls" information is sent elsewhere
03:56<grawity>when you `ls -l` the folder, look for something like READ* or STAT* – with filenames and other details
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04:08<minikdo>tcpdump floods me with OpenVPN packets....
04:08<grawity>well filter those out too
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04:08<grawity>'not (port 22 or 1194 or 443 or whatever)'
04:09<grawity>or if you know the NFS port, you can just whitelist that
04:09<grawity>(to clarify, "port 22 or 1194" is valid syntax, literally)
04:09<minikdo>OK
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04:11<minikdo>interesting, but "port 22 or 1194" doesn't solve that
04:11<itd>minikdo: Try 'nfs' - that seems to be a valid filter for NFS packets.
04:11<grawity>'not (port 22 or 1194)', I assume?
04:11<grawity>hmm
04:11<grawity>'nfs' is a valid Wireshark filter,
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04:11<grawity>but when you're flooded with packets, you'd definitely want to filter that in tcpdump
04:12<grove>I think that should be "port 22 or port 1194"
04:12<grawity>grove: the shortcut is valid, too
04:12<minikdo>this one works: 'not (port 22 or 1194)'
04:12<grawity>...
04:12<grawity>brb facepalm
04:12<grawity>back
04:14<grawity>okay, so when you see NFS packets in Wireshark, `ls -l` the mounted directory, and look for anything like READ or STAT
04:14<minikdo>Interesting: no NFS packets... they were before, but not now. I do ls -l
04:15<minikdo>only TCP
04:15<grawity>NFS usually goes over TCP, but I'd expect Wireshark to recognize it anyway...
04:15<grawity>maybe the ls -l info is merely cached
04:15<minikdo>yeah, but I've tried to open some files on nfs dir
04:16<minikdo>I'll try to remount it
04:16<jm_>or try some other dir
04:17<minikdo>I did remount it and nothing. Interesting because there were NFS packets in the beginning
04:17<grawity>also to clarify
04:17<grawity>what `ls -l` shows is based on stat information obtained via NFS
04:17<grawity>what access rights you get is based on credentials in the RPC header
04:17<grawity>(the ones you showed before)
04:18<grawity>sometimes they don't match, it's a confusing part of NFS
04:19<minikdo>I don't know why NFS packets are gone from wireshark
04:19<minikdo>I can't find them
04:23<eijebong>Hey, is there a way to skip the download-installer step somehow ? It's telling me about not being able to download kernel modules (they're already included in the image) so I would like to skip it or at least answer the question it's asking automatically with my preseed file
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04:28<itd>minikdo: What's your current tcpdump/wireshark filter?
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04:30<minikdo>itd: none
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04:30<minikdo>I run ssh root@remote1 "tcpdump -w - -U -i enp2s0 'not (port 22 or 1194)'" | wireshark -k -i
04:31<minikdo>Can't see any NFS traffic there...
04:33<jiang>hi
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04:34<minikdo>nfs4 (rw,relatime,vers=4.1,rsize=262144,wsize=262144,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,port=0,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,clientaddr=192.168.1.2,local_lock=none,addr=192.168.1.1)
04:34<minikdo>This is mounted on client (remote1)
04:35<itd>minikdo: And: the nfs server is running / listens on (the address of) enp2s0? :)
04:35<grawity>if in doubt, you can -i any
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04:36<minikdo>yeah, enp2s0 but it's client
04:36<minikdo>I can browse through nfs dirs on client now
04:39<minikdo>Well, now I've got "nfs" filter in ws and it shows traffic with TCP protocol between 192.168.1.1 and 1.2
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04:40<minikdo>sorry, no, it wasn't applied, 'nfs' shown nothing
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04:42<itd>minikdo: Maybe check with 'netstat -tpn' which port is used by nfs on the client.
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04:45<itd>(And then try white- instead of blacklisting.)
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04:52<minikdo>OK
04:53<minikdo>Ok, I've got those TCP packets now from ls-l
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05:01<minikdo>Where should I look for READ* or STAT*?
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05:58<olspookishmagus>questor!?
05:58<olspookishmagus>that reminds me... GAUNTLET
05:59<olspookishmagus>https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/a/a5/Gauntlet_menue.gif
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05:59<olspookishmagus>am I being way off-topic? please let me know and I won't repeat that
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06:00<olspookishmagus>well I guess that should go well in #debian-offtopic
06:00<olspookishmagus>my apologies
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06:03<minikdo>grawity: eventually I've got it: NFS sends uid/gid of 1005, I expect 1000 as I set anonuid=1000
06:03<grawity>ah, but it sends the raw numeric uid/gid?
06:04<grawity>that makes it a server-side problem
06:04<minikdo>yup
06:04<minikdo>"...1005....1005............."
06:04<grawity>I kinda expected wireshark to recognize and dissect NFS
06:04<grawity>nonstandard port?
06:04<grawity>anyway, now that I think about it – I'm not sure if squash affects the visible uid/gid anyway
06:05<grawity>perhaps it only affects the privileges
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06:06<minikdo>I've got: 192.168.1.2(rw,wdelay,root_squash,all_squash,anonuid=1000,anongid=1000,sec=sys,rw,root_squash,all_squash)
06:06<minikdo>although /etc/export is set to 192.168.1.2(rw,all_squash,anonuid=1000,anongid=1000,subtree_check)
06:06<minikdo>exportfs -v show the previous record
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06:07<grawity>exportfs shows how the kernel understood it
06:07<minikdo>ok
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06:25<Sebastian>does apt-get download verify signatures?
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06:30<b17>Sebastian: there's a lot of info on how it works in manpage for apt-secure
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06:32<Sebastian>thank you b17
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06:33<Sebastian>b17: it doesn't seem to be specific to the "download" subcommand so I wasn't sure.
06:34<b17>Sebastian: I don't fully understand, but so far I believe all APT commands will check signature on release file for each repository in sources.list
06:34<Sebastian>that would seem to be a very good default, thanks.
06:35<Sebastian>Now I just need to figure out how to easily fetch an older version of a package from snapshots
06:37<itd>judd: info apt-env
06:37<judd>No package named 'apt-env' was found in stretch/amd64.
06:37<itd>judd: info apt-venv
06:37<judd>Package apt-venv (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: apt virtual environment. Version: 1.0.0-2; Size: 7.7k; Installed: 42k; Homepage: https://github.com/LeoIannacone/apt-venv
06:38<itd>Sebastian: Maybe you can define some kind of snapshot environment.
06:39<Sebastian>that seems to be a good idea, though what I would like to have ideally would be a way to say "I'm looking for package foo version 1.2.3 for architecture bar, distribution jessie" or so
06:40<Sebastian>using snapshot environments requires me to figure out a date when that package was offered offline afaiui
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09:01<iKarith>Just wondering, is there an already invented wheel equivalent to the macOS command diskutil list? Not like df, since df shows me mounted filesystems. diskutil list shows brief information about all disks and partitions known to the system, and is a great way to answer the question, "which device is my flash drive so I can go mount its ESP partition and twiddle with EFI bootloader stuff...?"
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09:01<iKarith>Given that I'm twiddling with EFI bootloader stuff on an ESP on a flash drive, and I have sda through sdj at any given point on this machine.
09:01<grawity>something like `lsblk` / `lsblk -f` / `lsblk -S`?
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09:01<grawity>(craft your own using -o)
09:02<iKarith>that might be useful if it'd grap dm devices and the like as well
09:02<grawity>it does, doesn't it
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09:03<iKarith>I dunno yet :)
09:03<iKarith>yup, seems to!
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09:03<iKarith>and it looks like with the right -o it'll spit out all the relevant information
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09:03<iKarith>or failing that I can spit out the information and format with something more creative
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09:04<grawity>right-o.
09:04<grawity>recent versions have --json for that
09:04<iKarith>has name, has vendor/model, has UUID, has mountpoint, and has size info
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09:04<iKarith>yeah, I'm seeing that, thanks!
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09:05<iKarith>lsblk is exactly what I was looking for. Don't see a single invocation that has quite the data of diskutil list, but the pieces are there.
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09:08<dlazov>Good morning!
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09:47<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to take two files and create a third containing the lines in the first but not if they are also in the second?
09:48<themill>comm
09:48<grawity>if they're sorted, comm
09:48<grawity>if not, a perl oneliner
09:48<grawity>or possibly fgrep
09:49<EmleyMoor>I'll be sorting them anyway - I'll try comm
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10:33<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to compare the contents of a folder on an mtp device with one on the hard disc, and update the mtp one to match?
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10:35<EmleyMoor>rsync would potentially be capable, but I'd need a way to access my device from a shell...
10:35<Brigo>EmleyMoor, mounting it?
10:35<jmux>EmleyMoor: you can mount an mtp folder using fuse via jmtpfs
10:36<themill>rsync probably performs really badly on fuse like that, however
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10:37<EmleyMoor>jmux: I'll get back to you if it proves a pain
10:38<jmux>Yup - there are multipe MTP fuse modules. I'm currently using jmtpfs and still I have to restart Android sometimes to see the correct files
10:38<Brigo>EmleyMoor, there is a go-mtpfs package too.
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10:39<jmux>Not sure if that's a MTP or Android problem, but MTP on Linux never felt stable for me, so I just use it for manual transfer, not sync
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10:40<jmux>I used to use mtpfs - even an other FUSE MTP fs, which was much solwer then jmtpfs
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10:42<Blacker47>EmleyMoor, if you want to sync android, look at this app for SFTPd on android itself: https://github.com/wolpi/prim-ftpd
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10:44<somiaj>I find adb and the andriod debug mode a far faster way to get files to/from my phone than MTP.
10:45<EmleyMoor>Blacker47: All I'm trying to do in this case is bring my music collection up to date on my phone
10:45<somiaj>EmleyMoor: maybe looking into adb will help, they have some nice pull/push features that isn't as terrible as transfering over MTP (espically if it is hundereds or thousands of photos)
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10:48<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it looks to have stopped
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10:52<EmleyMoor>Now seems to be "jammed"
10:53<somiaj>EmleyMoor: still using mtp? Using adb actually gives you a decent connenction over usb that can better deal with large number of files in my experience. It wasn't that hard to get up and working either
10:54<EmleyMoor>My problems only ever arise with small numbers of files. Large ones are just fine. Will look into adb though
10:55<somiaj>http://www.droidviews.com/push-pull-files-android-using-adb-commands/
10:55<somiaj>you can just install the package adb in debian.
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11:11<EmleyMoor>somiaj: Getting nowhere with adb...
11:12<EmleyMoor>Had it connected and sort of working, briefly, but it had trouble with my push and now won't let me try again
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11:16<EmleyMoor>Ah... thing could be a case of finding my SD card
11:17<EmleyMoor>Yes... looking better
11:18<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... now, THAT's having the reputation that MTP seems to get from others
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11:22<EmleyMoor>Right - I'll see how it goes this time... awkward thing really
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11:22<EmleyMoor>Seems to be stopping dead
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11:25<EmleyMoor>Yes, goes a little then dies
11:25<itd>EmleyMoor: You could install termux (termux.com) on your phone. That should enable you to install sshd/rsync on your phone.
11:26<EmleyMoor>itd: Or I could follow my heart and just bin the bloody thing
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11:27<EmleyMoor>MTP, wiping and replacing, works, albeit slowly
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11:29<EmleyMoor>No, it doesn't even work any more
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11:31<EmleyMoor>How do I "unbecome" a developer
11:31<EmleyMoor>?
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11:32<itd>EmleyMoor: Debian developer or still some Android thing?
11:32<EmleyMoor>Android
11:32<EmleyMoor>Trying to get back to "where I was before I started tinkering"
11:32<itd>EmleyMoor: Internet suggests "clear data of settings app".
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11:36<EmleyMoor>Seems to be performing OK with that menu switched off... but otherwise it's breaking stuff
11:38<EmleyMoor>I'd prefer to remove that menu option - but there's no obviaus way
11:38<itd>dpkg: android
11:38<dpkg>Android is a Linux-based operating system for mobile devices. http://www.android.com/ #android on irc.freenode.net. For the related font family, ask me about <droid>. See also <adb> <lildebi> <mobile>.
11:39<itd>EmleyMoor: Maybe #android can help you.
11:39<EmleyMoor>itd: OK, I will ask
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11:42<work>how to run the Debian installer from the Live Image? Am running Live Buster btw
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11:46<petn-randall>work: The supported way to install is through the Debian installer. The live image still has known bugs in the installation part.
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11:48<Brigo>work, and if you want to install buster, then install stretch first (the core) and then upgrade from there.
11:48<Brigo>!testing installer
11:48<dpkg>Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
11:49<itd>work: buster support is in #debian-next
11:49<Brigo>work, at least you are in the right irc network, not in freenode :)
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11:51<itd>work: Should you still want to test the testing installer have a look at 'man debian-installer-launcher'.
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11:53<work>So in other words, I just have to download Stretch, install it then upgrade it to buster, Right?
11:54<Brigo>work, yes
11:55<work>alright, thanks. look at me trying to save time ending up losing with re-download & update lol
11:57<work>Brigo, I just hit this link #debian from https://wiki.debian.org/fr/IRC , the rest was automated... So I have no idea about the network actually :p
11:58<work>Thanks guys.
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12:32<yoga>Is it possible to upgrade Debian from stable to testing using openSuse? via chroot or something like that? Cause my wifi to don't just work under Debian for some reason.
12:32<towo-vm>the reason is propably missing firmware for your wireless
12:33<towo-vm>but yes, you can upgrade in chroot
12:33<towo-vm>*if you can
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12:34<itd>yoga: What's your wifi?
12:35<yoga>towo-vm: I tried to solve the firmware but endup losing my ethernet ... so no way to connect currently, even USB tethering from my Android isn't working now.
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12:36<yoga>itd: well lspci give me RTL8191SEvB
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12:37<itd>dpkg: RTL8191SE
12:37<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
12:37<yoga>towo-vm: I've never used chroot yet. Am ready to be guided though.
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12:40<yoga>itd: it was detected, but always refuse to connect to my wifi for unknown reason, lot of people have the same issue. and trying to solve, Now Everything network related is gone. even Ethernet.
12:40<yoga>trying to uninstall it didn't help either
12:40<itd>yoga: So you installed firmware-realtek?
12:41<yoga>yeah but it now the hardware isn't even detected
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12:42<yoga>itd: So I was thinking, maybe upgrading to testing may help, before I end up reinstall everything
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12:48<yoga>towo-vm: I can't. Can you?
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12:49<muslim>hm
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12:59<itd>yoga: OpenSUSE is installed on the same hardware, right?
13:00<yoga>itd: Yes
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13:02<itd>yoga: Try booting OpenSUSE. Mount the Debian root into a folder $f. Then (as root) execute "systemd-nspawn -D $f".
13:02<itd>yoga: Never done this, but that's what I would try.
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13:03<yoga>itd: I never mount a directory actually
13:03<yoga>so how does it work?
13:04<yoga>am currently on OpenSUSE btw
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13:04<itd>yoga: 'mount $this_device $this_folder'
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13:05<itd>yoga: So, e.g. your Debian root is at /dev/sdf9 and you want to mount it at /mnt: mount /dev/sdf9 /mnt
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13:06<yoga>so I have to create the folder in the same Debian partition, right?
13:07<itd>yoga: No.
13:07<itd>yoga: Are you already able to access file from the Debian partition?
13:07<yoga>yes
13:08<itd>yoga: How? :)
13:08<yoga>via Dolphin or just Terminal
13:08<yoga>Debian is on my /dev/sda1
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13:09<itd>yoga: And where is it mounted? ('What does "mount | grep sda1" return?')
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13:11<yoga>itd: Nothing
13:12<yoga>"And where is it mounted?" huu o_O have no idea. I have to that partition though... via Dolphin
13:12<itd>yoga: Just click on the partition.
13:12<itd>* in Dolphin
13:13<yoga>ok, then=
13:13<yoga>?
13:13<yoga>done
13:13<itd>yoga: Then rerun the command. ;)
13:13<yoga>ah ok
13:14<itd>yoga: If /dev/sda1 contains your Debian root and Dolphin makes it available for you it should appear in the output of that command.
13:14<itd>that command = "mount | grep sda1"
13:15<yoga>itd: /run/media/work/d4f8fd77-af9e-453f-a0e0-491fb77e339b
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13:16<itd>yoga: Ok. This "/run/media/work/d4f8fd77-af9e-453f-a0e0-491fb77e339b" is the "$f" I was talking about earlier.
13:16<nefool>?
13:16<itd>yoga: You could try "systemd-nspawn -D /run/media/work/d4f8fd77-af9e-453f-a0e0-491fb77e339b".
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13:16<nefool>chinese?
13:16<yoga>ok, let my check that
13:16<itd>dpkg: zh
13:16<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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13:19<itd>yoga: Good luck. (Will be away for some time.)
13:19<yoga>itd: Done
13:19<yoga>Next?
13:21<yoga>I have this: root@d4f8fd77-af9e-453f-a0e0-491fb77e339b:~# so does this mean am already in Debian and can install/upgrade or do stuff?
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13:22<yoga>itd: Oh Waaw, it's working. Thanks!!!
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13:36<itd>yoga: Should be your Debian system now, yes. Have fun. :) (And for testing support ask in #debian-next. ;))
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13:54<Aleksej>Hi! Does anyone know, will there be Qt 5.9 in stretch-backports?
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13:56<jelly>Aleksej: backports do not usually ship abi-incompatible libraries unless they're a necessary dependency for a leaf package, and Qt is a huge thing.
13:57<jelly>so I'd go with "not bloody likely"
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14:07<Aleksej>jelly: I was afraid of that. Then I'll have to figure out how to upgrade a million Qt packages from testing. Thanks for clarification!
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14:10<jelly>Aleksej: don't do that. Just switch to testing if you have to use that new a Qt.
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14:10<jelly>that environment will be less buggy than an unholy mix of stable and testing.
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14:11<jelly>dpkg, stretch->buster
14:11<dpkg>Well... buster doesn't even exist yet, but when it does, it's going to be a bumpy ride for a few months. Don't run Debian "testing" just after a release unless you like helping fix bugs. Testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. If you feel you need instructions on how to upgrade, you should wait a while.
14:12<jelly>oh, that needs fixing
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14:13<jelly>I'd say a few months have passed by now
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14:15<Aleksej>jelly: I know that. But I need to move to Qt 5.9 as it has lots of annoying QML-related bugs fixed. I'm not willing to move to testing completely, though. I'm a pretty experienced Debian user and have used a stable-unstable-experimental mix in the past, so I'll be okay. :)
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14:49<jelly>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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15:55<devuan>I use devuan jessie with openbox and my sound (alsa/oss) isnt working.
15:56<devuan>When I open mpv with a song I get this error:
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15:56<devuan>[ao/alsa] Playback open error: No such file or directory
15:56<devuan>[ao/oss] Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
15:57<devuan>I already tried to install the oss-compat package.
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15:58<devuan>Any ideas?
15:58<annadane>!devuan
15:58<dpkg>Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a Debian <derivative>, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on chat.freenode.net for support.
15:58<annadane>devuan, ^
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16:22<Asara_>hey guys, is there any reason there isn't a iso-hybrid without a DE?
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16:23<Dark-Jedi>Asara: You can do that with netinst
16:23<Asara>So I want to make a liveusb with persistence, and add my own DE in after the fact (i3)
16:23<Asara>well windows manager but whatever
16:25<blast007>so, build your own?
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16:25<somiaj>Asara: look into the live-build tools, in theory you can build your own live image. In practice the documentation is a little outdated on some of the examples, so it takes some work.
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16:25<somiaj>Asara: you could start with the standard image and go from there too with persistance
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16:26<Asara>thanks somiaj
16:26<blast007>has it changed much since Jessie?
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16:26<somiaj>blast007: I don't think so
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16:27<blast007>I had built a really minimal ISO with a custom inventory script that I use to inventory new PCs at work. Boots up real quick from a flash drive. :)
16:27<somiaj>either right before or right after the jessie release the live team split apart and the main person hosting the images left. Since then live images are still produced, but a lot of the documentation doesn't reflect the changes after that time.
16:27<blast007>yeah, I can't recall if I did it based on the old stuff
16:27<somiaj>so one can't just copy/paste the example commands from the docs and get them to work, they have to be manually adjusted to where the new live stuff is now stored.
16:27<blast007>I don't recall it being *too* terrible
16:28<somiaj>I don't hear many sucess stories in here but hear lots of people not getting it to work out due to this change. I don't know the details though
16:28<Asara>I'll have to give it a whirl
16:28<blast007>I need to redo it against Stetch at some point because Jessie's dmidecode throws some errors/warnings on newer hardware
16:28<somiaj>it should be fairly straight forward, the hard part is if you just want to copy/paste from examples and not read, understand and adjust from the docs.
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16:53<jhutchins_wk>The advantage of a live build over a standard build on a USB drive is that the live will mostly run in RAM and be much faster.
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17:00<BrainError404>CUPS cannot see the printer, how can I check where's the problem?
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17:13<mnuhmnuh>BrainError404: have you tried plugging that into a web search engine? this's old problem. what system printer config tool are you using? your environment? what printer?
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17:37<BrainError404>mnuhmnuh, Yes, didn't find something useful, I'm using debian stretch with gnome on wayland and a Canon mp140
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17:45<somiaj>BrainError404: I use the web interface to configure cups.
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17:45<somiaj>localhost:631 should work, you can add your user to the lpadmin group and your users name/password will work to configure cups though that webpage
17:46<alumax>hola como se maneja este sistema
17:46<alumax>soy de resistencia chaco
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17:46<alumax>no me deja utilizar las herramientas
17:46<annadane>!es
17:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
17:46<annadane>alumax, ^
17:47<alumax>sigo sin entender
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17:47<alumax>no me deja utilizar dispositivos samsung para descargar archivos
17:47<annadane>alumax, #debian-es please
17:48<alumax>ni por blutuu ni por conexion por cable
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17:48<alumax>y adonde pongo
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17:48<alumax>adonde pongo debian
17:49<alumax>alguien que me ayude
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17:49<annadane>alumax. "/join #debian-es" por favor
17:49<alumax>y como lo hago
17:49<annadane>for fuck sake
17:49<alumax>????
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17:50<maxlum>esto
17:51<maxlum>hola alguien que me ayude como se maneja este sistema huayra
17:51<maxlum>no me recibe dispositivos samsung
17:51<maxlum>ni por blutu ni por cable
17:52<somiaj>annadane: you have been asked before not to swear, we try to keep this family friendly
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17:53<maxlum>alguien que hable en español
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17:55<somiaj>maxlum: this is an english channel. /j #debian-es
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18:16<BrainError404>mnuhmnuh, I'm here now, sorry, I'm experiencing network problems
18:17<BrainError404>As I was saying I'm using cups and system-config-printer.py as configuration clients
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18:32<mnuhmnuh>BrainError404: somiaj says localhost:631 should work, in a web browser. it's been a while since i'd done it.
18:33<mnuhmnuh>annadane: at least spell fsck correctly. heathen.
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18:34<x>hello
18:34<BrainError404>mnuhmnuh, well I tried to connect and disconnect the printer
18:34<x>hello
18:34<BrainError404>And tail messages and syslog
18:35<annadane>x, hi, just ask
18:36<BrainError404>welly welly the kernel seems to see the printer, but cups system and lpq says that it's off
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18:36<x>what
18:36<x>?
18:36<annadane>well, you said "hello" twice, so i assumed you had a support question
18:36<x>okey
18:36<x>iam sorry
18:36<x>!
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18:41<Vesious>allo
18:41<x>allo
18:41<x>bb
18:41<x>rani hna
18:41<Vesious>amek a bb
18:41<x>amana dagui d la page n les quesion
18:41<Vesious>uttessetehezadh ara
18:41<x>arjou akiadfa
18:41<annadane>!fr
18:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
18:42<Vesious>desseh saffi atteneqewed
18:42<Vesious>machi i waya iwumi ig mekhedum
18:43<x>azebi roh athan chegu3ghagd les messag
18:43<x>roh ar x
18:43<annadane>this is an english channel, guys
18:44<x>zebi qewdou kounwi
18:44<x>okey
18:44<x>iam sorry
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18:45<annadane>normally we point people to language specific channel but i'm not sure there is one for hausa
18:45<x>this is a language for hackers amazigh bro
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18:46<Vesious>atha, uhviv iquité la discution
18:47<x>a bontis roh ar x ayidafedh en pv
18:47<mnuhmnuh>i've worked w sudanese using linux, just nexct door to chad?
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18:49<Vesious>attruhen yiwen yiwen
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18:49<Vesious>inek anda atidafa
18:50<sney>Vesious: do you have a debian question?
18:52<BrainError404>mnuhmnuh, somiaj can you help me please?
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19:02<somiaj>BrainError404: out side of seeing if you can figure out cups configuration from the web inteface I don't have that much experience with printing.
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19:02<somiaj>for me the web interface has always been sufficent to debug/figure out what I needed
19:02<sney>same here
19:03<sney>and removing/re-adding the printer, that sort of thing
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19:10<sevu>BrainError404, somiaj I think you have to add yourself to group 'sys' for having admin access in localhost:631
19:11<somiaj>lpadmin actually
19:11<somiaj>though you can use root and root's password without adding the user to a group.
19:15<mnuhmnuh>i'm running mate. system-->administration-->print settings. in the past i used a web browser localhost...
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19:28<BrainError404>It was deactivated from the prompt -_-
19:29<BrainError404>Yes I know I'm stupid somiaj mnuhmnuh
19:36<BrainError404>somiaj mnuhmnuh why the printer prints the test page in normal dimensions but other pages in 10x10 on A4 paper?
19:36<BrainError404>Seriously wtf
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21:02<BrainError404>Same printer, try to connect to laptop, the page preview seems good, connected to the pc, the page preview is a fraction of what it should be
21:03<BrainError404>Same print settings in settings/print in gnome
21:03<BrainError404>HELP me please
21:04<somiaj>same version of debian? Did you check the .ppd files that it is being used. Note I don't know any details, just vaguly about them.
21:05<somiaj>maybe compare packages instealled
21:05<BrainError404>somiaj: Yes they both mount debian-stretch
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21:17<yoga>Am about to finish installing Debian Stretch, it is asking me to install GRUB bootloader, I already have another Linux system on my laptop, and I want to use its grub, so I still need to install Debian's GRUB or will the Debian system be seen by the other system's GRUB with an "grub-update"
21:17<yoga>?
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21:19<tacocat>yoga: it should be found from by the other grub instanc
21:19<tacocat>s/from //
21:20<yoga>So I don't need to install it, right?
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21:23<somiaj>yoga: just skip if you won't use debian's grub
21:23<somiaj>yoga: you will have to boot into your other os to make debian loadable then
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21:24<yoga>somiaj Okay, thanks :)
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21:28<BrainError404>somiaj, hp-ppd is in both cases at the newest version
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21:34<BrainError404>somiaj, I installed scangearmp from the vendor site, can it be this?
21:36<BrainError404>Please I SERIOUSLY need to fix this
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21:36<somiaj>yes, installing stuff from outside of debian can mess with the files.
21:36<somiaj>did you install this scangearmp on the machine that isn't working.
21:36<yoga>somiaj: i chose NO but it ask me to chose a device to install the bootloader. No skip option.
21:36<BrainError404>somiaj, I removed it, should I reboot?
21:37<somiaj>BrainError404: you might have to double check that all the files it put on your system werwe removed and/or reverted back to the debian versions. You can reinstall packages to get the files back, and you can use debsums to see the files that have changed.
21:38<somiaj>yoga: If I recall correctly you can escape out of it and get to the menu of options. Though this is with the expert mode. Unsure on normal mode. But at this point your isntall is done, just reboot.
21:39<somiaj>BrainError404: and a reboot is a good way to reload all the drivers to make sure it isn't something in memory causing the problem.
21:41<yoga>somiaj yeah there is a way to skip the bootloader install ... The back button . Thanks.
21:41<BrainError404>somiaj, /etc/udev/rules/80-canon_mfp.rules
21:42<BrainError404>Found this in the file list of the package wtf is this?
21:42<somiaj>rules that affect how udev
21:42<somiaj>udev (your device manager) deals with things.
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21:43<BrainError404>somiaj, OH
21:43<BrainError404>So it can interfere in this way?
21:44<somiaj>it could, I would remove that file (or at least move it out of /etc, maybe move it to /root until you know you don't need it
21:45<BrainError404>somiaj: It doesn't exist anymore with package removal
21:45<BrainError404>I will try to reboot
21:45<BrainError404>See u later
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21:53<BrainError404>somiaj, It isn't the printer
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21:54<BrainError404>Even when I select "print to a file" it shows the probem
21:54<BrainError404>It's a configuration somewhere that I don't recognize
21:55<somiaj>I'm unsure what this third party software has modified/put on your system. But that sounds like the cause and gives you a place to start looking
21:55<BrainError404>somiaj, It isn't the cause, it was only a scanner for documents
21:56<BrainError404>How can a scanner plan to interfere with "print to file" option?
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21:58<BrainError404>Furthermore the test page works well, somiaj
21:59<BrainError404>I need to know what settings can interfere with the dimensions of "print to file"
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22:05<BrainError404^>somiaj, I'm here again
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22:06<somiaj>If you make a new user, and try to print using this new user does it work?
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22:08<BrainError404^>somiaj, No it doesn't work
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22:12<BrainError404^>somiaj, I tried, other options? Maybe it has something with the format or common settings in /etc or something else
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22:14<BrainError404>somiaj, Maybe the brochure format is selected, how can I unset this?
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22:19<BrainError404>somiaj
22:19<BrainError404>I tell to you
22:19<BrainError404>That
22:19<BrainError404>I'm the most fucking stupid moron of this globe
22:19<BrainError404>And there's a reason for my username
22:19<BrainError404>Do you know what's the problem?
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22:20<BrainError404>That I've set the "pages for front" option to 9, somiaj
22:21<BrainError404>That's why the printer prints it 9 times smaller
22:21<BrainError404>pls kill me
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22:25<annadane>it's okay
22:25<annadane>i'm probably dumber
22:27<tacocat>:( we all have those days, don't feel too bad
22:28<BrainError404>Thx
22:28<BrainError404>^_^
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