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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-10-05

---Logopened Thu Oct 05 00:00:26 2017
00:00<nedau>thanks, ill try again tomorrow after school, i'm reading the article on how to get useful help on irc
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00:38<user>Well
00:38<user>This is very interesting
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00:38<Guest6029>Ok
00:38<Guest6029>I can be a guest
00:38<Guest6029>That works
00:39<Guest6029>Parrot OS is quite the Operating System
00:39<Guest6029>Im very impressed
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00:39<Guest6029>Hello there
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00:43<towo^work>with parrot you are in the totaly wrong channel
00:43<Guest6029>I get that.
00:43<Guest6029>Im just stating parrot is very nice
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01:46<sr007>hi
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03:40<stylesen>I am running Debian 9.1 - when I boot my machine sshd does not start by default, Is there anything I am missing?
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03:41<towo^work>is it installed? is it enabled?
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04:21<User__>Hey, I'm very new to debian and I could really use some help. I installed debian and I have a amd gpu, I had a very difficult time installing a good drive but I have fglrx running now, but I'm trying to setup a miner and it won't recognize it. I seem to be making things worse as I go. I am now trying to find where I messed up a source list.
04:23<User__>Help?
04:24<jm_>you'll need to provide more details if you want any help
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04:25<User__>ok sudo in not known on line in source list
04:25<User__>?
04:25<User__>sudo is not known in source list
04:26<jm_>what do you mean with "source list"?
04:26<danlii>I have a machine with Debian 9.1, where the secondary ethernet interface doesn't come up automatically at boot time, although I have "auto eth1" and "iface eth1 inet static" with correct settings in the /etc/network/interfaces file. "ifup eth1" works after boot. What am I missing?
04:26<User__>My source list is mesosphere
04:27<jm_>do you mean sources.list file or what?
04:27<User__>I guess the terminal just says sudo not know
04:27<User__>line
04:28<User__>line 1
04:28<petn-randall>User__: What are you typing in the command line?
04:28<petn-randall>!ask
04:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
04:28<User__>aptitude search '~0'
04:29<petn-randall>User__: And what is the complete output you get?
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04:30<brickb>Hi all,
04:30<User__>Type 'sudo' not known on line 1 in source list /etc/atp/sources.list.d/mesosphere.list
04:30<brickb>As far as I understand default graphical session in buster is now Gnome running under X on Wayland
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04:30<petn-randall>!tell brickb -about crosspost
04:31<petn-randall>brickb: #debian-next was the right channel, please be patient.
04:32<petn-randall>User__: Can you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mesosphere.list (I assume you had a typo there) to https://paste.debian.net?
04:32<jm_>danlii: have you checked if there's anything in logs about it?
04:32<brickb>petn-randall: I got a different (more general) question
04:32<petn-randall>brickb: If it's related to buster #debian-next is still the right channel for that.
04:33<brickb>Where is the graphical session (Xorg and Xwayland) start process best documented?
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04:34<User__>I can't not this error has prevented me from connecting to connecting to Hexchat through my computer so I'm using my laptop to problem solve.
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04:35<petn-randall>User__: Why would an error in aptitude prevent you from that?
04:35<brickb>petn-randall: OK. However I guess the documentation of graphical session start process is a more general aspect (not buster specific). That is why I asked here and not in #debian-next. Do you feel I should ask that only in -next?
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04:37<danlii>jm_: The only thing it says is "link up"...
04:38<jm_>brickb: follow the path from «systemctl show graphical.target» i.e. for me it's Wants=lightdm.service so I would look at lightdm.service, if you mean after login DM typically has a log of its own
04:38<testing123>i need some advice on uploading a shell..Can anyone help?
04:39<jm_>danlii: and you are sure it's up to ifupdown to configure your interfaces? anything in «journalctl -u networking.service»?
04:39<grove>danlii: Just a guess - your eth1 requires a driver that doesn't get loaded in time?
04:39<petn-randall>testing123: Ask your question, if anyone knows the answer they'll respond.
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04:40<User__>when I attempt to open hexchat is says package broken
04:40<petn-randall>User__: Can you ssh into that machine?
04:41<User__>I really seem to be going backwards. the more I do the worse things get
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04:42<User__>It looks like it won't even recognize the sudo command
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04:43<petn-randall>User__: Try doing less of that then.
04:44<User__>lol. no kidding
04:44<User__>I just need to untangle these knots a little at a time.
04:44<petn-randall>User__: We could help more if you'd answer the questions, though.
04:45<User__>But I got my self pretty tangled
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04:47<User__>I havn't really done anything with https://paste.debian.net so I don't know how I would get a typo.
04:47<testing123__>I have a website that allow uploading images files.I tried several ways to upload a shell. injecting null byte .php%00.jpg not working.double extension .php.jpg uploading the file but it renames as .php_.jpg Can someone help?
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04:49<brickb>jm_: OK but I meant some documentation (in man page or wiki form with english explanations) of the differents stage the process follow (with adequat config file used).
04:49<User__>So the last thing I decided to do was upgrade from jessie to stretch and hope that, that would correct some of the issues I've been having.
04:49<jm_>brickb: sorry, not aware of anything like that
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04:50<brickb>jm_: Thank's anyway. I will follow from systemctl and try to guess
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04:52<User__>I typed in aptitdude search '~0' and got #Type 'sudo' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/source.list.d.mesophere.list
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04:54<jm_>your entry in /etc/apt/source.list.d/mesophere.list is probably wrong, put the contents of that file on https://paste.debian.net/
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04:55<User__>jm can you walk me through it a little?
04:55<petn-randall>testing123: And how is this related to Debian?
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04:56<petn-randall>User__: Simply rename mesophere.list to mesophere.list~.
04:56<jm_>User__: in shell type 'cat /etc/apt/source.list.d/mesophere.list' and it will show contents of the file, copy and paste that in the large text area in the browser in which you visited https://paste.debian.net/ and click Send
04:57<jm_>or that
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05:09<User__>ok the command you gave me brings up 'sudo apt-get update' and the debian paste says I need two line breaks
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05:11<danlii>jm_: Nothing, just "no entries" in «journalctl -u
05:11<danlii>grove: Same driver as eth0, they're both vmxnet3 devices.
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05:15<User__>petn-randall how do I rename?
05:16<petn-randall>User__: mv mesophere.list mesophere.list~
05:16<petn-randall>User__: You can use tab-complete to have less typing. You need to "cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d" first.
05:18<User__>it says permission denied
05:19<petn-randall>User__: You need to be root.
05:19<User__>ok
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05:22<User__>ok I changed it now I try aptitude search '~o' in the same directory?
05:25<petn-randall>User__: Now I'd fix your network problem so you can paste things easier.
05:25<User__>Petn-randall when I did that it says 'i dh-modaliases -debhelper extension for scanning kernel mo
05:28<petn-randall>User__: I don't know how "aptitude search ~o" would relate to your problem.
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06:03<jm_>danlii: that's odd, ifupdown in stretch does include networking.service
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06:20<Edhil>hey guys
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06:20<Edhil>I have an issue with debian 9 as a vmware guest : apparently the CPU hotplug is not supported anymore
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06:22<Edhil>I have a kernel Oops message : BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000008
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06:24<Edhil>Is there any alternative kernel I could try ?
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06:28<jm_>there's 4.12 kernel available via backports, tried that?
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06:29<Edhil>hmm I'll give it a try
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06:48<danlii>jm_: Hm, there's not even a systemd service called network.service. I upgraded this machine from wheezy to jessie and then to stretch, it's an old machine...
06:49<Myon>networking.service - Raise network interfaces
06:50<danlii>Ah, yes, my bad. networking.service exists. But it says "Active: failed (Result: timeout)"
06:50<jm_>danlii: ahh so maybe you're not using systemd at all?
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06:51<jm_>ok so you are, but journalctl does not show anything for it?
06:51<jm_>journalctl -u networking.service
06:51<danlii>Exactly, only systemctl status networking.service shows anything.
06:51<danlii>journalctl -u networking.service shows "-- No entries --"
06:52<jm_>for jessie one could edit /etc/default/networking and set VERBOSE=yes to see what is going on, not sure how to do that in stretch (I really need to upgrade this system soon)
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06:53<jm_>I also noticed it has something called ifup@.service - so maybe check that one too
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07:05<jm_>maybe try ifquery --read-environment --list
07:07<danlii>jm_: OK, I enabled verbose in /etc/default/networking and rebooted, it took a while because there was a 5 minute timeout for networking.service, then it says like it says on https://pastebin.com/CWNXsyQR in journalctl -u networking.service
07:07<danlii>It doesn't even mention eth1, only lo and eth0.
07:08<jm_>does «ifquery --read-environment --list» mention it? I found that in networking.service taken from stretch ifupdown package
07:08<jm_>timeout is maybe due to mount -t nfs -a ?
07:09<danlii>But that is an "up" argument for eth0, and thing is that it works... My home folders gets mounted.
07:09<jm_>also, does it mention it after the boot if you down the interfaces and try it again?
07:09<danlii>But now I commented out everything eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted, and now I get the same 5 min timeout again.
07:10<jm_>but it says this: networking.service: Start operation timed out. Terminating. so something must still be running
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07:10<jm_>if you can do it try to get pstree -lp output
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07:17<danlii>Huh, what do you know... it was mount -t nfs -a that made everything sad.
07:17<danlii>When I removed that and rebooted, the system came up just fine, with both interfaces.
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07:18<jm_>hah, now to figure out why mount -t nfs -a fails :)
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07:18<danlii>My homedirs managed to mount without it, so maybe I don't need it anymore? :)
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07:27<danlii>jm_: Well, thanks for the troubleshooting!
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07:28<jm_>danlii: no problem
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07:38<spacebug^>I'm getting this error message when trying to create an LXC as non root user: http://paste.debian.net/989141/
07:39<spacebug^>I have set permissions usin setfacl
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08:13<Edhil>jm_: ok, it works with kernel 4.12 from the backports
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08:24<Edhil>shoud I submit a bug on linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 for this issue ?
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09:09<george>fuck
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09:09<Guest6048>i am a ccjinaese
09:10<Guest6048>我说啦
09:10<Guest6048>我是一个中国人
09:10<Guest6048>有会说中文的嘛
09:10<Guest6048>I am a chinaese
09:10<Guest6048>who can speak chinaese
09:11<Guest6048>who change my chlack name
09:11<Guest6048>and where are they from
09:12<grove>!cn
09:12<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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09:32<fakhrul>hye
09:32<fakhrul>help
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09:34<blackFlagBaby>host name locked
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09:37<aleksei>Hi, I have a HP Proliant DL380 G4 server which won't install Debian 9. I have tried various Debian 9 install images such as non-free, dvd, cd. I also tried writing the image to a dvd at 2x speed and 16x speed.The problem is after getting into the Debian 9 Installer Boot Menu where I choose between graphical install and text install. It doesn't matter which I choose the server just shows me a black screen. I'm never able to actually proceed with the
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09:40<Blacker47>aleksei, seems to have 32-bit cpu - you maybe use wrong arch images.
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09:43<aleksei>no, it supports 64-bit, on the same server it cents 7 64-bit
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10:02<jamesmc>It could be that it doesn't like the video mode change
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10:08<petn-randall>jamesmc: aleksei is gone.
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10:09<jamesmc>petn-randall: I saw half way through typing my super handy follow-up tips :)
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10:15<blast007>https://serverfault.com/questions/874943/debian-9-black-screen-during-install looks like the question was copy/pasted from here. sounds like their issue had already been resolved over a week ago?
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10:17<petn-randall>Uh? That's really weird.
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11:16<user>hi is there any group for learning haking
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11:17<Guest6060>anyon
11:17<Guest6060>anyone
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11:17<Guest6060>hi
11:17<Guest6060>welcome
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11:18<Guest6060>any tutorial for hacking
11:19<petn-randall>Guest6060: wrong channel.
11:19<petn-randall>!ot
11:19<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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12:01<Yst>For school, I have an assignment in which the instructions say to use a Windows-only application called Process Explorer to look at physical memory usage, kernel memory usage, and paging. I'm going to try getting away with not using Windows, but I need a graphical application that shows those three things if I'm going to pull it off, as I need screenshots. Does anyone know of a graphical Debian
12:01<Yst>application for viewing physical memory usage, kernel memory usage, and paging?
12:02<petn-randall>Yst: Would a TUI also work? "htop" has a good interface and even colours.
12:02<petn-randall>Yst: Otherwise I believe most DEs have such a tool.
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12:03<Yst>A TUI would work in a pinch, but I think a GUI would be easier to convince the student graders that it is equivalent.
12:03<Yst>I'll see if I can find the desktop's tool. Hmm.
12:04<petn-randall>Yst: Which DE are you using?
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12:05<Yst>petn-randall: LXDE. I'd use Xfce, but it's hopelessly entangled with Thunar, and Thunar can't figure out how to sort files intuitively.
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12:06<petn-randall>Yst: I'm fairly sure you can use any file manager in xfce.
12:07<Yst>petn-randall: Only if you are prepared to use two file managers. There's no way to get Thunar out of certain jobs.
12:07<Yst>And you can't get Xfce to stop auto-starting Thunar either.
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12:08<petn-randall>Yst: I'm pretty sure I'm running xfce and currently don't have a single process of thunar running.
12:08<Yst>And if you try to uninstall Thunar, I think I recall it uninstalls Xfce as well, though I might be remembering that part wrong.
12:08<petn-randall>On stretch that is, can't speak for any other release.
12:09<Yst>Maybe they fixed that then. I switched to LXDE on Debian 8.
12:09<Yst>I found the task manager, but I can't see any sort of memory manager.
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12:10<petn-randall>Yst: The lxde one is called "lxtask".
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12:12<Yst>It looks like that's the task manager, not the memory manager. It doesn't mention physical memory, kernel memory, or paging anywhere.
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12:14<Guest6058>Can I somehow start a single kde application with a different theme?
12:15<petn-randall>Yst: xfce4-taskmanager shows you the memory consumption. But you won't see kernel processes as a user, you need root for that.
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12:16<Yst>petn-randall: Is kernel memory just physical memory used by the kernel processes then?
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12:16<Yst>It looks like htop doesn't show these three things either.
12:17<Yst>I'm trying to find the software I need to make this work, but maybe I need to finish the reading assignment before I continue the search. I know what physical memory and paging are, but I admit I don't know what kernel memory is.
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12:20<petn-randall>Yst: kernel memory is memory allocated to kernel processes. htop shows these, in green.
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12:24<Yst>petn-randall: Okay, sweet. Is there a way to get htop to show paging?
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12:24<petn-randall>Yst: 'cat /proc/meminfo' will give you such stats.
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12:25<petn-randall>Or 'free -m'. Paging is more or less transparent for userland processes.
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12:36<Yst>petn-randall: So I can't really see paging from userland? That isn't going to work well with this assignment.
12:36<Yst>Ugh.
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12:48<cascardo>Yst: vmstat will show you paging, but it's a console application
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12:51<Yst>cascardo: At this point, it's better than the alternative: finding a WIndows-based machine to complete the assignment. Thanks!
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15:27<idkCpp>Hi there, I need some help about TTF fonts and I have no clue where I should ask. Any directions?
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15:31<annadane>idkCpp, you mean ttf as in https://wiki.debian.org/TrueType? this is probably the right place
15:31<annadane>idkCpp, it's faster if you just ask your question and we can tell you if you're in the wrong place or not
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15:35<idkCpp>annadane, you're right: A friend downloaded a font which she needs for work. But the font seems corrupted. When viewed with the gnome-font-viewer, the lines overlap with the above or below line nearly 50%. When using this font in LO Writer the characters get cropped so only the top is visible, making an A look like a giant ^
15:36<idkCpp>annadane, my friend is teacher and the ministry of education requires her to use this font
15:37<annadane>idkCpp, how'd she download it?
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15:38<idkCpp>annadane, she clicked on the preview at http://lehrerweb.wien/service/downloads.html
15:38<idkCpp>it's the "Druckschrift" font. The first one
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15:49<itd>idkCpp: Did you try to print a document written in that font?
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15:54<idkCpp>itd, no
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15:57*itd is no font expert.
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15:58<idkCpp>itd, I just printed something in this font. It overlaps just as in the gnome-font-viewer but it does not get cropped...
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15:59<idkCpp>so I guess one could work around the problem by settings line margins accordingly, but I'd like to fix the root problem
15:59<itd>idkCpp: Maybe you can fix the font with fontforge.
16:00<itd>idkCpp: IMHO the font doesn't declare the character heights correctly, but I have no idea how you can fix that easily.
16:02<idkCpp>itd, I'm thinking the same thing...
16:02<idkCpp>but I don't know fontforge, so thanks for the help
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16:17<idkCpp>itd, annadane; situation is as follows: I installed fontforge and opened the fontfile. I was presented with warnings saying stuff about ignored table entries and mismatching strings. When I tried to export the font to TrueType format I was asked if I know that the Em-size should be a power of 2 and currently is 1910 (or something like that). I have no idea what an Em-size is anyway, so I proceeded. Then I was presented with a list o
16:17<idkCpp>f errors saying that there are missing points at extrema and non-integral coordinates. I have no clue what this means.
16:18<annadane>well, it's certainly way above my knowledge
16:19<itd>idkCpp: Above mine as well. http://designwithfontforge.com/en-US/The_EM_Square.html
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16:26<Blacker47>idkCpp, i think is an very old (some strings says from 1997) and a little buggy font. maybe it needs some smart converting to otf, maybe it is allready misconverted. no idea.
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17:26<disposable>can somebody please share their interfaces file with bonding+vlans+bridges? no matter what i do, i can't get it working. not even the bond interface
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17:30<david>I can't figure out how to remove KDE desktop.
17:30<david>I did apt remove task-kde-desktop
17:30<annadane>disposable, you should probably post yours and we can tell you why it isn't working
17:31<david>I'm also here reading about installing KDE: https://wiki.debian.org/KDE
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17:32<david>Also that website says to install KDE to type "aptitude install ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$" which seems scrambled.
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17:40<disposable>annadane: for starters, why doesn't this work https://pastebin.com/2wSjz02a
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17:43<disposable>annadane: i know it used to without having to specify 'auto eth0' and 'auto eth1'
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17:46<david>Ok, I figured out how to uninstall KDE. I now have no desktop.
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17:47<david>I typed a bunch of commands from a guide, but they key was it is I was leaving out PLASMA.
17:48<david>So, I needed to type something like apt remove kde-plasma-desktop. Not apt remove task-kde-desktop or apt remove kde-full, or apt remove kde-desktop.
17:48<david>Now I just wonder what would be the difference between doing apt install task-gnome-desktop and using taskel to install gnome.
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17:52<disposable>annadane: my question is mostly about slaves vs bond-slaves; bond-mode vs bond_mode; "auto eth0" vs nothing for slave interfaces; vlan-raw-device vs vlan_raw_device; bridge_ports vs bridge-ports; etc. i want to see working syntax so i don't fall into any of those milion syntax traps.
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17:58<disposable>annadane: nevermind. after trying hundred combinations, i've found something that works. doesn't work on older debian boxed but works where i need it.
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18:34<pgimeno>Bug #835542 claims to be closed and is archived, yet I'm experiencing that issue. What should I do?
18:34<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/835542 in flex (closed, patch): «flex: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-08-26; last modified: 2017-02-02.
18:35<annadane>,v flex
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18:35<judd>Package: flex on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.5.35-10.1; jessie: 2.5.39-8+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.5.39-8+deb8u2; buster: 2.6.1-1.3; sid: 2.6.1-1.3; stretch: 2.6.1-1.3
18:36<pgimeno>I'm using 2.6.1-1.3; I've tried downgrading to 2.6.1-1.2 which is the version where it claims to have been fixed, but it isn't.
18:36<pgimeno>Easy to reproduce: echo ## | flex ; gcc -c -Wsign-compare lex.yy.c
18:38<pgimeno>dff
18:38<pgimeno>err
18:38<pgimeno>echo % | flex ; gcc -c -Wsign-compare lex.yy.c
18:38<pgimeno>echo %% | flex ; gcc -c -Wsign-compare lex.yy.c
18:38<pgimeno>sorry for the spam
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18:43<pgimeno>It says "Bug is archived. No further changes may be made."
18:43<pgimeno>so can't it be reopened?
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18:44<annadane>bugs can certainly be reopened
18:45<pgimeno>annadane: how?
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18:46<annadane>not entirely certain but you can probably send an email to 835542@bugs.debian.org describing your problem; it's possible that your issue can be fixed and isn't a bug though
18:48<pgimeno>annadane: can you see a warning emitted by the compiler with the last line I posted? this one: echo %% | flex ; gcc -c -Wsign-compare lex.yy.c
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18:50<pgimeno>it's exactly as described in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=835542#5
18:50<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/835542 in flex (closed, patch): «flex: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-08-26; last modified: 2017-02-02.
18:53<annadane>i mean it's really at their discretion whether or not it gets reopened so you can try sending them an email anyway
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18:54<maia>hola, me quiero descargar google y me pide una contraseña de autorizacion por el software
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20:38<dvs>zzzzzz
20:41<pgimeno>annadane: I got the message returned with this line: Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 Unknown or archived bug
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20:45<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/BTS/HowTo#Reopening ? sorry
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20:46<pgimeno>thanks annadane
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20:53<pgimeno>I've sent the request, will check tomorrow, bye for now
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21:02<k-man>what app do you use for burning an iso to a DVD under gnome?
21:02<sney>brasero I think
21:03<k-man>thanks sney
21:03<ryouma>for cd i just use wodim
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21:03<k-man>giving brasero a go
21:03<k-man>its been years since i burned a cd/dvd
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21:09<k-man>i ran out of usb sticks so i'm burning an iso to a DVD
21:09<k-man>so old school
21:09<dvs>???
21:10*dvs burned a DVD-DL yesterday
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21:14<k-man>dvs, well, you are old school too then ;)
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21:15<dvs>bah!
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21:31<k-man>target machine's DVD drive is busted! DOH!
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21:46<ben_>I can run the 9.1 net installer fine, but after I reboot I just get a black screen. the last few lines of /var/log/messages don't have any errors, so I'm not sure what's wrong
21:47<ben_>If it's relavant, I'm using an asus "prime x370-pro" motherboard and trying to install to an m2 ssd
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21:48<dvs>ben_, sounds like you didn't install a display manager
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21:49<ben_>I didn't install x at all. but I'm not even getting a login prompt or anything
21:49<sney>probably a kms/firmware issue
21:49<sney>what gpu? either built in or separate
21:49<ben_>integrated graphics
21:49<ben_>A10-9700 APU
21:51<dvs>so you might need the nonfree firmware
21:51<sney>install firmware-linux-nonfree and reboot
21:51<dvs>jinx!
21:51<sney>ha wow
21:52<ben_>I've also tried using the unoffocial "nonfree" installation image, and had the same result, is that still worth trying?
21:52<sney>hmm
21:52<sney>perhaps kernel and same package from backports, then
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21:53<sney>amd graphics use the 'radeon' driver which is in the kernel, and firmware is in that package, but sometimes not new enough
21:53<rob_debian>Hi all, please, how to fix this issue ? how to clean broken packages that are now in my Debian ?
21:53<rob_debian>https://paste.debian.net/989239/
21:53<dvs>but how can he get it without a prompt?
21:53<sney>ssh in?
21:54<ben_>it fails to connect to the network while installing
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21:55<ben_>I've tried both the stable and testing releases, so I would think testing would have recent enough drivers?
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21:56<dvs>testing may not have the nonfree firmware
21:57<ben_>any tips for how to install the firmware if I can't connect to the network?
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21:59<slogant>Hola
21:59<dvs>ben_, install the firmware for the network driver using a USB drive.
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22:00<ben_>...right. I think I've been working on this for too long today :/
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22:02<ben_>Oh, I may have left out something important. Or it could be meaningless:
22:04<ben_>Somebody suggested disabling acpi. When I do that, I get a black screen with a blinking cursor, and after a minute or so I'm dropped into a busybox session because "/dev/sda2 could not be found" (the partition debian is installed on)
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22:07<ben_>is that indicitave of a problem, or is that fairly normal?
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22:09<dvs>a drive not being found is not normal
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22:10<ben_>I think it's not detecting the m2 ssd at all
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22:10<ben_>even though the installer iso has no problem finding it
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22:11<ben_>but when acpi is enabled, debian is able to write to /var/log/messages, so it must be finding the drive then, right?
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22:14*dboles is pretty sure the msata port in my laptop does not officially exist and can only be detected by linux, not windows :P
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22:16<dvs>hmmmm... I thought acpi was for powersaving stuff
22:16<dvs>I know that you need UEFI to install stuff to an M.2 drive
22:20<ben_>I tried both uefi and bios. But it's good to know i should only try uefi moving forward
22:23<LeLutin>I'm trying to do something really not kosher: downgrade redmine on a jessie host to the wheezy version. I've pinned redmine and ruby to the wheezy release but when installing I've hit some kind of packaging dead end. any idea what I can do? here's the pin and the install commands and output https://paste.debian.net/989240/
22:27<rob_debian>Please, how to fix this issue: https://paste.debian.net/989239/
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22:58<LeLutin>ah! I just added package dependencies on the apt install command as they were recursively shown and finally got to downgrade :)
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