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00:24<xizo>hello
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00:25<xizo>I am having an issues geting debian going. Maybe some one could assit me. I install amd64 on my x4 950 with a GT 710 video card. I have tried on both kde and gnome. they freeze up once at desktop. gnome you can see the system menu icons but kde nothing, but mouse is avalible and moves.
00:33<rob_debian>Hi all, I decided to install a package that it's not available in official debian repository: I decided to go back to Debian 'not Frankdebian'
00:33<rob_debian>please, how do I clean this from my Debian Stretch 9.1 ? https://paste.debian.net/989247/
00:42<xizo>I wonder if my issue has to do with hdmi vs vga or onboard video vs video card
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01:02<xizo>i did safe boot terminal:startx
01:02<xizo>now the icons came up and keyboard stoped working
01:02<xizo>mouse still moves around
01:02<xizo>cant click anything
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01:16<towo^work>xizo, provide the output of lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display"
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01:19<xizo>I dont have vga on monitor
01:20<towo^work>this has nothing to do with any connector
01:20<towo^work>so it
01:20<towo^work>do it
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01:22<xizo>vga compatiable controller: Nvidia Corp GK208 [geforce GT 710B]
01:22<towo^work>that's all`
01:22<towo^work>that's all?
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01:32<xizo>thats what it said
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01:48<towo^work>xizo, then you should bootz with nomodeset and install the nonfree nvidia-driver afterwards
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01:49<xizo>im reinstalling now but can try that after
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02:53<xizo>sudo lightdm stop ce2 engine fault on channel 2, recovering...
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02:54<xizo>I am reinstalling drivers. sudo lightdm stop
02:54<xizo>then i Get : ce2 engine fault on channel 2, recovering...
02:54<xizo>now keyboard dosnt work
02:54<jm_>tried using a newer kernel?
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02:55<xizo>fb_flush_timout
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02:55<xizo>CHSW_ERROR 00000002
02:55<xizo>CHSW_ERROR 00000002
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02:57<xizo>read fault at 00002c590000 engine 1b [ce2] client 18 [gr_ce] reson 02 [pte] on channel 2 [003fc0a000 Xorg[513]]
02:57<TheKuKluxKlan>hello
02:57<TheKuKluxKlan>_kab, aariz, aboudreault, abpostelnicu, abrotman, absenta, ach, adema, adhawkins, adi, adriana, aef, AFNobody, AfroThundr, afx237, agaida, aguslr, aidalgol, Airwave, akl, akosiaris, Akronym, Alam_Squeeze, alanz, albertsh, Aldryic, alegen, Alex[m]1, alexandreab, alkyl, alreece45, amoe, amorel, Anarka, andi-:
02:57<TheKuKluxKlan>andres, annadane, Anthony[m], anto, ao2, ap4lmtree, apo, appas, apple_cat, arand, Arrowmaster, arrsim, Artox, arturo, Asara, Astra, avalenn, avar, avelardi, aviau, babilen, balrog, banc, BbT0n, bciGo[m], berto, bestucan[m], bhe[m], bibiirc, bilbo_, bipul, bit9[m], bla, blacksyke, blarson:
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02:58<xizo>?
02:58<TheKuKluxKlan>xizo: hi
02:58<TheKuKluxKlan>i represent the Ku Klux Klan
02:58<xizo>no you dont
02:59<xizo>you represnet a segment of retardation
02:59<TheKuKluxKlan>shut up nigger
03:00<xizo>folloing through to reinforce with "nigger" a self define statment of ignorance
03:00<annadane>!ops ^
03:00<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: annadane complains about a problem (see above)
03:00<TheKuKluxKlan>blast007, blathijs, blindsight`, blue, bluesceada, bobe, BOHverkill, bolt, bony, Brando753, brandon, breitenj, BrianR, brians, brians_, broucaries, Bryanstein, bsc, bzed, Caelum, Caesar, captnfab, caraka, carlos, carnil, carnil_, cascardo, catern, Cathy, catsup, cdesai, CeBe, cedric_, cef, Celelibi:
03:00-!-mode/#debian [+o jm_] by ChanServ
03:00<TheKuKluxKlan>!ops HAIL THE KKK
03:00<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: thekukluxklan complains about a problem (see above)
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03:00<TheKuKluxKlan>dont ban me
03:00-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*username@107.189.164.*] by jm_
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03:02<xizo>sudo lightdm stop ce2 engine fault on channel 2, recovering...::::::::CHSW_ERROR 00000002:::::CHSW_ERROR 00000002::::read fault at 00002c590000 engine 1b [ce2] client 18 [gr_ce] reson 02 [pte] on channel 2 [003fc0a000 Xorg[513]] :::::
03:02<xizo>ohh i didnt see your reply
03:02<xizo>[01:54] <jm_> tried using a newer kernel?
03:03<xizo>This is not the latest stable?
03:03-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*username@107.189.164.*] by jm_
03:03-!-mode/#debian [-o jm_] by jm_
03:03<jm_>there's 4.12 in backports for stretch
03:03<jm_>judd kernels
03:03<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-rc3-686-pae (4.14~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-1); buster: 4.12.0-2-686 (4.12.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.12.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
03:03<judd>(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
03:03<jm_>there
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03:04<jm_>if that does not help, try to install the non-free nvidia driver like mentioned before
03:04<jm_>!nvidia
03:04<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
03:05<jm_>follow the instructions on the wiki for that
03:05<jm_>!bpo kernel
03:05<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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03:05<jm_>you should have all the info for now
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03:26<xizo>im on streach
03:27<xizo>and isnt understanding aptitude
03:27<xizo>apt update works
03:27<xizo>the apt -r isnt reconised
03:27<xizo>is not understood in combination
03:28<jm_>why are you using apt -r?
03:28<grove>If you have a specific problem, please ask about that
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03:31<xizo>Update the list of available packages. Install the appropriate linux-headers and kernel module packages: # aptitude update # aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's/[^-]*-[^-]*-//') nvidia-driver
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03:32<jm_>use 'apt install' instead
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03:33<jm_>in general, stick to the apt tool you always use, don't switch among them (it's OK with apt/apt-get, but can cause unexpected things if you switch between apt/aptitude)
03:34<xizo>im just using what is on this distro
03:34<xizo>i skipped the header thing and am reinstalling drivers
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03:35<jm_>installing the driver will fail if you don't have appropriate kernel headers package installed
03:35<xizo>lol, well i couldnt figure out to not use the -r so i skiped that
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03:36<xizo>ill do it again
03:38<xizo>well nvm
03:38<xizo>it booted
03:39<xizo>its working now
03:39<xizo>thats guys for pointing me in the right direction
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03:49<jelly>jm_: differences between apt and aptitude dealing with autoinstalled stuff have been fixed before jessie or so, there's no reason to recommend sticking to just one
03:49<jm_>jelly: how about hold status?
03:50<jelly>never tested that
03:50<jelly>no idea
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03:51<xizo>Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-prepperflash , is this the current option for flash on browsers?
03:52<xizo>From reading the description thats what i understand.
03:52<xizo>but also unsafe for malicious code
03:53<jm_>that's only for firefox, you don't need it for chromium
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03:55<jelly>that one was only useful for a while at a time adobe did not make plugins for firefox npapi. They're doing in now again.
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05:20<Drzacek>Hello there
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05:21<spacebug^>welcome Drzacek
05:21<Drzacek>I see that there use to be "emdebian" - a stripped down debian for embedded systems, that is no longer maintained.
05:21<Drzacek>The explanation being "no need for that anymore"
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05:23<Drzacek>Any hints what can be removed from real debian to make it more "lightweight" for industrial systems?
05:24<Drzacek>I surely won't need any office suite or media players etc, but maybe someone already made a list (or even better - a script that removes unneeded stuff)?
05:24<sep>Drzacek, perhaps the idea was that even tiny embedded devices nowadays can have 32gb sd-cards...
05:24<Drzacek>sep, true, but storage space is only one of the limiting factors
05:25<Drzacek>I'm more concerned about various background applications, that could interfere with my program (make it slower etc)
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05:30<grove>Office suites and media players are only installed if you ask for them. If you don't select stuff during installation you get a fairly small installation
05:30<Anarka>you still plan to have a graphical interface ? but if you install for ex. package gnome you will get the full gnome distro, but theres also gnome-core
05:30<spacebug^>you don't need to install a DE either.
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05:31<Anarka>during install just install base packages, ssh and nothing else, rest install when you need
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05:35<Drzacek>yes, I plan on using gui, but rather something more lightweight, maybe even openbox or something similar, no need for tasbar or anything.
05:35<Drzacek>Anarka, so in base installation there is nothing that could fiddle with my program?
05:36<Drzacek>Or say, break real-time?
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05:36<Anarka>i wouldnt think so... a base debian install is pretty light
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07:10<BrainError404>How can I setup a screensaver in gnome?
07:11<towo^work>install gnome-screensaver, setup in gnome-settings
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07:34<BrainError404>towo^work, can't find gnome-settings
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07:54<Walex>BrainError404: if your purpose to use a screensaver is to lock the screen, the only one that is reliable is "xscreensaver"
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11:33<shiva>zero?
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12:03<annadane>shiva, hi; do you have a question?
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12:25<mrfree>hi all, is there a way to avoid the "make clean" that automatically runs on "make deb-pkg" while compiling a custom kernel?
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12:29<mrfree>OK found... make bindeb-pkg :)
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12:54<HES0>Hello guys
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12:55<HES0>Hey
12:55<grove>!ask
12:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:56<HES0>Hey
12:57<HES0>guuuuuys?
12:57<grove>!chat
12:57<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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12:57<HES0>Hello
12:57<grove>Stop that
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12:57<HES0>Why?
12:58<grove>Because it's just noise, and the bot has already told you what to do
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12:59<HES0>Ok
13:00<towo`>HES0, with ubuntu, you are in the wrong channel btw
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13:04<grove>HES0: Don't pm people you don't know randomly
13:04<grove>!tell HES0 about ru
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13:16<Iridos>you know… it wouldn't have hurt to try greeting back as a response instead of burying the chap in factoids
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13:22<dboles>sounds good until you realise that if everyone greeted everyone every time, it would be impossible to actually solve problems :P
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13:25<agaida>827 Greetz aren't to much every time a new user join ...
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13:37<Iridos>yeah… because none of those are idling and this is a totally realistic thing… better to supply somewhat hostile non-human answers as a greeting instead… because that then creates zero noise
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13:38<dboles>agreed
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13:38<dboles>seriously though, it's easier to just point out that users are happy to listen to info and will chime in when they can
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13:39<dboles>chat room style stuff just leads to stuff like: hi / hi / can anyone help me? / hi / can YOU help me / maybe / what is the problem / and then about 7 messages later we're around about where !ask would ideally get us in 1
13:39<dboles>obligatory 'in my personal experience'
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13:45<annadane>the whole "hi" business and then just not asking the damn question in a room specifically reserved for technical support is endemic anyway and at least if you post the bot command people will actually be aware of the conventions in the future
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13:46<Iridos>this wasn't supposed to become an hour long discussion, ok? Just a reminder that a little friendlieness instead of hostility may not be amiss
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14:54<rob_debian>Hi all, I have a doubt here about Debian packagement system: why is that considered dangerous installing any package using 'dpkg -i' ? surely it is preferable using 'aptitude' 'apt-get install...' than 'dpkg -i', for it's easier and you install packages directly from Debian stable repositories. But, even considering these aspects, are there another ones that explain and justify why it's dangerous for Debian itself using 'dpkg -i' ?
14:56<dboles>dpkg just installs things; it doesn't handle dependencies or keep records of why things were installed or help you uninstall them together later or etc....
14:56<dpkg>dboles: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
14:56<OdyX>rob_debian: because you get absolutely none of the benefits of "Debian" (as repository with guarantees such as DFSG-freeness, compilation by buildds, etc)
14:56<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable
14:57<dboles>https://askubuntu.com/questions/309113/what-is-the-difference-between-dpkg-and-aptitude-apt-get
14:57<annadane>installing using dpkg -i isn't bad under all circumstances, for example i had to do that with sid a while ago to install headers that apt couldn't handle, but as everyone else has said you don't get the features of apt (this is assuming you're even sticking to the repository; we've already been over how installing from third party websites isn't a good idea)
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14:58<dboles>hrm, apparently dpkg can report deps, but it won't help you (un)install them anyway
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14:59<annadane>actually maybe i did use apt and not dpkg, i don't remember
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15:01<rob_debian>fine, dboles, OdyX, blast007 and annadane !! thank you very much for explanation and Great Support !! Please, in the case of you intend uninstall any package installed by 'dpkg -i', shouldn't I use 'apt-get purge' for them ? or is that only suitable if you installed through 'apt-get instal..' ?
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18:20<itd>xilo: Hello.
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18:45<xilo>what kind of games are being played?
18:45<xilo>Im checking out pokemmo now
18:47<annadane>!chat
18:47<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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22:19<mister_shivers>HELLO
22:20<mister_shivers>help with debian 9 please
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22:28<somiaj>!ask
22:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:34<mister_shivers>i have a problem with installing amd catalyst video driver; i'm running Debian 9 stretch
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22:45<mister_shivers>error: Detected X Server version 'XServer 1.19.2_64a' is not supported. Supported versions are X.Org 6.9 or later, up to XServer 1.10 (default:v2:x86_64:lib:XServer 1.19.2_64a:none:4.9.0-3-amd64:)
22:45<mister_shivers>Installation will not proceed.
22:45<mister_shivers>Removing temporary directory: fglrx-install.WoDsmr
22:45<mister_shivers>i have a problem with installing amd catalyst video driver; i'm running Debian 9 stretch
22:45<mister_shivers>error: Detected X Server version 'XServer 1.19.2_64a' is not supported. Supported versions are X.Org 6.9 or later, up to XServer 1.10 (default:v2:x86_64:lib:XServer 1.19.2_64a:none:4.9.0-3-amd64:)
22:45<somiaj>mister_shivers: what version of debian are you running?
22:45<mister_shivers>Installation will not proceed.
22:45<mister_shivers>Removing temporary directory: fglrx-install.WoDsmr
22:46<somiaj>please don't paste errors here, use pastebin.net
22:46<mister_shivers>debian 9 stretch
22:46<mister_shivers>ok
22:46<mister_shivers>sorry
22:46<somiaj>anyways, fglrx is not in stretch and I think is discontinued upstream.
22:47<somiaj>What video card do you have? the radeon or amdgpu driver should work. There are ways to install the amdgpupro dirver, but that isn't fully supported in stretch either.
22:47<mister_shivers>radeon r9 380
22:48<mister_shivers>pastebin.net just says coming soon...
22:49<somiaj>looks like the amdgpu driver is needed for that card, which should work in stretch, you can also install the amdgpupro driver, but this requires editing a text file to adjust it from only intasllle in ubuntu.
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22:53<blast007>mister_shivers: https://paste.debian.net
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22:55<mister_shivers>what and how do i edit the ubuntu intasllle?
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22:57<mister_shivers>i mean what line do i edit?
22:57<mister_shivers>i know how to
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22:57<somiaj>when you download the amdprogpu install script, I think you have to edit it and change an instance of 'Ubuntu' to 'Debian' just to keep it from exiting without installing
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22:58<somiaj>after that I have heard it works. This isn't fully supported here, you may want to google 'amdgpupro driver debian'
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23:00<blast007>has the firmware-amd-graphics package been tried already?
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23:03<blast007>I see firmware files in there with codename tonga, which the R9 380 is part of
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23:04<somiaj>blast007: mister_shivers was trying to install the fglrx package from upstream and getting errors. I'm unsure about any other options.
23:04<somiaj>mister_shivers: as blast007 poitns out, you may get enough support from that card via the amdgpu driver and the non-free firmware.
23:05<blast007>mister_shivers: try this first: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Installation
23:05<blast007>except, with 'stretch' instead of 'jessie'
23:06<somiaj>I think that is a little outdated, I belive the amdgpu driver would be the better choice for the r3 than the radeon driver.
23:06<somiaj>sorr r9 390
23:06<blast007>so just the firmware then?
23:06<somiaj>most likely if the xserver-xvideo-amdgpu driver is installed and the firmware it should automatically load the drivers
23:07<somiaj>check the Xorg.0.log file to be sure.
23:07<blast007>mister_shivers: ignore that link
23:07<somiaj>sorry wrong package name, xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
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23:08<somiaj>I don't have any experience with amd hardware, but for newer cards amdgpu is the driver, for older cards I think modesetting + the radeon kms driver and firmware is the way to go, but maybe still use the old radeon driver in xorg too.
23:09<mister_shivers>ive installed that but games like serious sam 3 and dying light keep telling me to update my opengl drivers
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23:09<blast007>you've installed what?
23:09<somiaj>mister_shivers: update them to what? I would make sure you are are actually loading the firmware/driver correctly and see the version of opengl they want. You may have to stick with the version in stretch, but I belive the mesa in stretch is fairly recent.
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23:10<mister_shivers>how do you update the mesa/install the mesa?
23:10<blast007>mister_shivers: what did you install?
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23:12<mister_shivers>how do you install mesa?
23:12<somiaj>"Mesa 13.0.6 implements the OpenGL 4.4 API", but then goes on to say, "Some drivers don't support all the features required in OpenGL 4.4."
23:12<mister_shivers>https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
23:12<mister_shivers>i did that page very top
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23:13<somiaj>so what version of opengl is it wanting? Anyways mesa should most likely be installed, it could be the drivers, check Xorg.0.log to see what drivers you are really using.
23:13<mister_shivers>xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu, xserver-xorg-video-ati, xserver-xorg-video-mach64, xserver-xorg-video-r128, and xserver-xorg-video-radeon
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23:14<mister_shivers>it says opengl 3.0 update to 3.3
23:15<mister_shivers>Detected OpenGL version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6
23:16<mister_shivers>Required OpenGL version: 3.3
23:16<mister_shivers>Please update your display driver
23:16<blast007>mister_shivers: what *exactly* did you install?
23:16<mister_shivers>thats exactly line for line is what pops up
23:18<somiaj>mister_shivers: can you share your Xorg.0.log file and the output of glxinfo
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23:18<mister_shivers>where is that located again?
23:19<somiaj>depends on how you run x, but it might be at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
23:20<mister_shivers>file:///var/log/Xorg.0.log
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23:20<mister_shivers>did you get it?
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23:23<blast007>You'd have to put it on a pastebin like https://paste.debian.net/
23:23<somiaj>that link will show me the log on my computer, not yours. Use paste.debian.net
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23:39<mister_shivers>paste.debian.net will not work for me
23:42<blast007>can you elaborate on what "will not work" means?
23:44<mister_shivers>Could not add your entry to the paste database: Invalid format for name (no special chars, max 10 chars)
23:45<mister_shivers>https://paste.debian.net/989419/
23:45<mister_shivers>nevermind got it to work
23:45<mister_shivers>that is my xorg.0.log
23:49<somiaj>output of glxinfo and maybe dmesg | grep firmware (make sure the firmware is loaded)
23:54<mister_shivers>none of that shows up for me
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23:59<somiaj>glxinfo has no output?
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