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01:36<tt>where is the correct place to add some env vars globally to my X session? (on stretch.) I need to set e.g. export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim for lxqt-session and below.. and ideally for sddm too...
01:37<tt>will accept a solution for either 1) just my user, 2) all users system-wide ... either will work for this, for other things sometimes I will want one or the other specifically...
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01:38<tt>I tried putting it in a file /etc/profile.d/xim_input_method.sh , but it doesn't seem to affect my X session (testing with `env` in an xterm)... I think it used to.
01:40<tt>OH, last thing: it should apply regardless of what kind of X session (gnome, kde, whatever), and regardless of which display manager. (bonus points if it also works for startx)
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01:40<tt>tia ☺
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01:42<jm_>tried using pam_env module?
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01:46<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'm having the same issue again, related to a job that runs for about 1min30sec, after have installed other OS to dual boot with Debian. Whenever I initialize Debian during its process it's displayed the message: 'Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device
01:46<tt>hmm... I think I made a stupid mistake, actually... *testing theory*
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01:47<rob_debian>my fstab and blkid is as follows: https://paste.debian.net/989738/
01:47<jm_>rob_debian: do you remember the swap UUID that you had to replace?
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01:48<jm_>ok I think I found it, try grep -r 99db4561-b1c2-4eb6-b669-8f2d980e32e6 /etc
01:48<rob_debian>it was a space not allocated ,jm_ there wasn't any partition to be replaced
01:48<rob_debian>as root user, jm_ ?
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01:49<jm_>rob_debian: you had to replace UUID for your swap partition IIRC
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01:49<jm_>because you recreated it, and swap is also used for suspend/resume, which would explain the above message
01:50<rob_debian>I did it in other occasion, but since then, I uninstalled the OS I was using and cleaned the partition, used 'gparted' to clean the space and installed again
01:51<rob_debian>Please, jm_ do I run this command as root user? grep -r 99db4561-b1c2-4eb6-b669-8f2d980e32e6 /etc
01:51<jm_>rob_debian: yes, and 92fde84d-79ef-4194-812f-806c01b1ab23 is exactly what you had to replace the above with so I'm pretty sure this is your problem
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01:52<rob_debian>please, jm_, this is the output of the command you've passed me: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume:RESUME=UUID=99db4561-b1c2-4eb6-b669-8f2d980e32e6
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01:53<jm_>rob_debian: replace that UUID with 92fde84d-79ef-4194-812f-806c01b1ab23 and run update-initramfs -u and try rebooting
01:53<jm_>now I don't know if it has to be replaced somewhere else too, i.e. debconf
01:54<rob_debian> I see, jm_, but which UUID has to be replaced ? sorry if my question looks like so stupid.. quite tired here.
01:55<jm_>rob_debian: replace 99db4561-b1c2-4eb6-b669-8f2d980e32e6 with 92fde84d-79ef-4194-812f-806c01b1ab23
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01:55<rob_debian>oh, fine, jm_, in the case, in fstab, ok ?
01:56<jm_>rob_debian: uhm no, it's already correct there, in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
01:56<rob_debian>oh, I see, in fact, it's ok over there. let me do it now, just one moment, please, jm_ and thanks for Great Support ! :)
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02:03<rob_debian>please, jm_ that old UUID that was in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume was about the old installation of the removed OS ?
02:03<rob_debian>sorry, not so well formulated my question, bad english, sorry :(
02:04<jm_>rob_debian: it's old UUID of the swap partition you recreated
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02:05<rob_debian>so, that's why Debian displayed this message during an update && update ? https://paste.debian.net/989739/
02:06<rob_debian>update && upgrade
02:06<jm_>yes
02:07<rob_debian>oh, fine, jm_, thanks for attention and high quality Great Support, as always !! :)
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02:08<rob_debian>thank you jm_, I'll reboot it now. thank you very much !!
02:08<jm_>no problem
02:08<rob_debian>see you soon !:)
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02:26<tt>jm_: heh, so, my /etc/profile.d/whatever wasn't taking effect because my shell is zsh and it doesn't source those anywhere in its default config ;)
02:27<tt>jm_: added it to ~/.zprofile and that works. debian wiki said it would *not*, but I suspected that was wrong (would be really annoying if there were zero login shells along the path from init to xterm)
02:28<jm_>tt: I find it odd that would work for say gdm
02:28<tt>jm_: oh, perhaps it doesn't honestly, that may have been the wiki's point... working with sddm though.
02:30<tt>jm_: your pam_env suggestion was solid, if I really needed to set this for all logins... pam_env is supposed to be configured to pull in /etc/environment and ~/.pam_environment
02:31<tt>(haven't tested those.)
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02:31<jm_>tt: yeah luckily it also has per-user setting
02:32<tt>I think the correct place, however, (for this stuff that's only relevant to X clients) would be ~/.xsessionrc
02:32<tt>(which I also haven't tested)
02:33<jm_>yeah I use ~/.xsession for lightdm and debian session and it works for that combination
02:34<tt>jm_: heh... I needed to know about pam_env for a job/task back in 2008... where were you then??!
02:34<jm_>tt: I was in #debian at that time :)
02:34<tt>it was on RHEL!
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02:37<tt>so.. having squared that question away (for now)... /me tries to figure out what /etc/profile.d/vte-2.91.sh is doing, and whether it should be sourced by zsh config
02:38<tt>then again, I never use libvte terminals, so doesn't matter for any practical purpose.
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03:39<ozmage>hello
03:39<ozmage>the full dvd1
03:39<ozmage>of debian 9.2
03:40<ozmage>have all the firmware i need ?
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03:40<ozmage>the 4 gigs dvd
03:40<ozmage>one
03:40<tt>ozmage: the official debian images do not include non-free firmware; there are separate images in a different directory that do include it.
03:41<ozmage>hmm
03:41<ozmage>ok
03:41<tt>ozmage: the images w/ non-free firmware included have "firmware" in the filename
03:42<grove>ozmage: But without knowing what hardware you have we can't say if you'll need non-free firmware (but it's likely if you feel the need to ask)
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03:43<tt>firmware-9.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso <-- this is the DVD-1 that does include non-free firmware... it's 2.8 GB
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03:43<ozmage>ok
03:43<ozmage>but is just 2.8
03:43<ozmage>and the last dvd 1 i downloaded its 4.0 GB
03:43<tt>yes. is the regular DVD-1 bigger?? surely not.
03:44<ozmage>i have a biggg one
03:45<ozmage>ls -alsh debian-9.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
03:45<ozmage>3.8G -rwxrwxrwx 1 ozmage users 3.8G Oct 9 03:31 debian-9.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso*
03:45<tt>debian-9.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso is 3.7 GB
03:45<tt>weirdness.
03:46<ozmage>well let met burn it
03:46<ozmage>i will find out this later
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04:49<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'd like to know where can I get a complete list of the main Debian configuration files
04:49<jm_>define main configuration files
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04:55<znoteer>I've 4 packages in a partially installed state. When I run aptitude to try and fully install them, I get an error from /sbin/insserv not being able to load the shared object bc.so.6 because it doesn't exist. I can't figure out which package I need to install to get that library. When I search for it on packages.debian.org, the closest thing I can find is libc.so.6. Does anyone know how I can find this library?
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04:57<jm_>what error do you get if you run it yourself?
04:57<at0m>rob_debian: mostly in /etc/ http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/etc.html
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04:58<znoteer>jm_: if I run what myself? insserv?
04:59<rob_debian>well, jm_, I just have an intuitive idea about it: etc/apt/sources.list, fstab, and others. something like that.
04:59<rob_debian>fine at0m, thanks for information !
04:59<jm_>znoteer: yeah the same command that fails
05:00<jm_>rob_debian: grep . /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.conffiles
05:00<jm_>but it won't list all of them (some use ucf etc.)
05:01<rob_debian>I see jm_, thanks for information !
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05:02<znoteer>jm_: I don't know what the command line is that fails. The error doesn't say:"/sbin/insserv: error while loading shared libraries: bc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header"
05:02<rob_debian>fine, at0m, that's exactly what I was looking for, really thank you ! also jm_ information helped to fix this doubt. Really thank you very much !! :)
05:03<jm_>znoteer: doesn't dpkg say which package this is for? i.e. if you run «dpkg --pending --configure»?
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05:05<znoteer>aptitude tells me which packages this is failing on, but it doesn't give me the command line
05:05<znoteer>ntp
05:05<znoteer> haveged
05:05<znoteer> slapd
05:05<znoteer> dbus
05:05<znoteer>oops. sorry
05:05<jm_>I'll be back in about 30min if no-one else can clarify it till then
05:05<znoteer>jm_: OK, thanks
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05:25<itd>znoteer: IMHO the error happens during the system call on line 286 in '/usr/sbin/update-rc.d'. A line like "print '> system: ' . $insserv . ' ' . join(' ', @opts) . ' ' . $scriptname . "\n";" should print the command executed.
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05:32<znoteer>itd: are you suggesting I add that line somewhere after line 286 in update-rc.d?
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05:37<itd>znoteer: Yes, but rather right below than somewhere after.
05:38<znoteer>so I'd add it between line 286 and the current line 287?
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05:39<itd>znoteer: That should work.
05:40<znoteer>I'll try
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05:52<jm_>znoteer: for ntp the call is simply update-rc.d ntp start 23 2 3 4 5 .
05:52<znoteer>itd: that didn't print anything extra when I ran "dpkg --pending --configure"
05:52<jm_>and invoke-rc.d ntp start
05:52<jm_>so try to run that and see what it says
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05:55<znoteer>jm_: so first I run the update-rc.d command you gave then the invoke-rc.d command, both for ntp?
05:56<jm_>znoteer: well whichever you get the error for
05:56<znoteer>Ah, OK
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06:00<znoteer>jm_: there're a space and a period after the 5 at the end of the update-rc.d command you gave. Are they part of the command, or part of the punctuation for the sentence?
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06:02<jm_>znoteer: sorry, one time where being lazy did not pay off: the full command is «update-rc.d ntp start 23 2 3 4 5 . >/dev/null» so yes, part of the command
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06:03<znoteer>I've already tried it both ways, minus the dev null bit :D Same output both ways. I'm about to try the invoke- command
06:04<znoteer>jm_:^
06:04<jm_>znoteer: does it work or not?
06:05<znoteer>no, it gives the same output as I get with "dpkg --pending --configure"
06:05<jm_>still incomplete filename shown?
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06:08<znoteer>sudo update-rc.d ntp start 23 2 3 4 5 .\n update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults \n /sbin/insserv: error while loading shared libraries: bc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory \n update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
06:09<jm_>ok so you need to run the insserv command
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06:11<jm_>and you are sure /sbin/insserv is what debian ships and you are running that one? which version does «dpkg -s insserv» show? what does «md5sum /sbin/insserv» show?
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06:13<znoteer>But now I'm back where I started, because I don't know what the command line was for the insserv command.
06:13<znoteer>OK, wait
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06:15<jm_>ahh yeah sorry, I would just use strace to see what it's executing
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06:16<cool_ak271>Hi
06:17<cool_ak271>Anyone here ??
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06:18<jm_>znoteer: strace -e trace=process update-rc.d ntp start 23 2 3 4 5 .
06:18<jm_>it should show execve call
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06:22<znoteer>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2dab55c9/
06:23<znoteer>oops! I see you've asked for something more since. gimme sec :)
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06:28<jm_>neither i386 nor amd64 release have insserv file with that md5sum, another arch/release than stretch?
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06:29<itd>jm_: 'sudo dpkg -s insserv' includes 'Architecture: armel'
06:30<jm_>itd: shame on me, I was explicitely looking if it does but missed it
06:31<itd>jm_: Well, at least you don't ask people to include print statements to debug a problem. ;)
06:31<jm_>but still stretch package for armel has different md5sum
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06:37<znoteer>jm_: How would I find the md5sum of insserv in 9.1?
06:38<znoteer>I don't have strace installed, and I seem blocked from installing it when I try
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06:42<itd>dpkg: md5sums
06:42<dpkg>Packages usually (bad sadly not always) contain a file "md5sums" that contain the md5sums of all files within the package; they are stored in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.md5sums when the package is installed. You can use <debsums> to check these hashes for installed packages. The md5sums are *not* used for preventing malicious file changes; the Packages file contains SHA1 and SHA256 sums for this purpose (ask me about <secure apt>).
06:42<itd>znoteer: Compare the value listed there with the output of 'md5sum /sbin/insserv'.
06:43<znoteer>idt: thanks
06:43<znoteer>itd: ^^
06:43<itd>znoteer: "seem block fom installing" - please explain.
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06:44<jm_>itd: aptitude notices unconfigured packages
06:45<jm_>and it would be the same with dpkg
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06:45<jm_>but for that one there may be an option to force it
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06:45<itd>jm_: Thanks.
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06:47<jm_>so it should be 26243951b748a2377501084a473023d7 according to the package I downloaded
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06:52<znoteer>Any suggestions as to why I'm not getting the correct md5sum?
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06:55<itd>znoteer: Something modified the file. (Possible somethings are: other people; a faulty storage; ...)
06:58<znoteer>the md5sum for insserv is the same in 9.1 as 9.2 anyway
06:59<EmleyMoor>What's a good program, or way to enable a menu option for it in GNOME Terminal, to set a title on a tab?
06:59<znoteer>would "sudo apt-get -f install insserv" help to fix this?
06:59<jm_>if possible try to boot with known good medium and compare md5sum that way
07:02<znoteer>jm_, I'm shakey on dealing with arm. Currently, the only way I know to boot this thing is from the SD card, or its onboard memory. If I boot from memory, it's the installer image that boots. I'm not sure how I'd mount the file system on the SD card after that to sum insserv
07:03<znoteer>it's the installer image for jessie, on top of that
07:04<jm_>znoteer: ahh in installer switch to tty2 and you can mount your / there and md5sum it
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07:05<znoteer>I don't think there is a tty 2 on arm
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07:06<jm_>are you connected via serial port or somesuch? in that case doing it via ssh should allow you to achieve it
07:06<znoteer>I can connect via serial, but am currently ssh'd in to it
07:07<znoteer>Hm, I have to connect via serial to have access to uboot
07:08<znoteer>so there will be no tty2
07:08<jm_>ok in that case try to download the deb and replace insserv by hand (dpkg-deb -x will help)
07:09<znoteer>should I download the deb for 9.1 or 9.2?
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07:10<znoteer>I think I'm sort of halfway between 9,1 and 9.2 at the moment
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07:15<jm_>there's only one version of that package in 9.x isn't it?
07:15<jm_>I'd fetch it from here https://packages.debian.org/stretch/armel/insserv/download
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07:16<jm_>tell us the md5sum you see afterwards
07:16<znoteer>not sure. I just assumed it had been corrupted during an upgrade
07:16<jm_>if it did I'd put that down to HW issues
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07:17<jm_>I fetched it from one of the mirrors and extracted itusing dpkg-deb and I get md5sum 26243951b748a2377501084a473023d7
07:18<jm_>so the same as in insserv.md5sums
07:20<jm_>I would also use debsums to verify all other files
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07:21<jm_>but like always, it's much better to run this when booting from some known good release
07:22<gnukpuck>Anyway to do a security upgrade on linux-image and not have to reboot the server?
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07:24<gnukpuck>apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 showing deb9u2 and I am on deb9u1
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07:27<jm_>gnukpuck: not with debian kernels, kexec might help, but in general, some sort of live patching for the kernel would be needed, i.e. like https://www.ubuntu.com/server/livepatch (SuSE also has something similar AFAIK)
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07:29<gnukpuck>jm_, thx, Ill look into it.
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07:32<ken>I want to install debian. Is this the correct place to ask general questions about debian and how to install?
07:32<jm_>yes
07:34<ken>I only have one year of linux experience and have tried several distros. I usually get them from distrowatch.com and download a iso to my usb via unetbootin.
07:35<jm_>I'd recommend you read this first https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
07:35<jm_>ask here if things are unclear
07:35<ken>I want to try debian. I need a GUI since I cannot use CLI 100%
07:36<ken>will the debian 9.2 leave me with a GUI to add different programs or will I be stuck with a flashing cursor and not know what to do?
07:37<jm_>no problem on that point, you can choose from many, probably best to stick to gnome at first
07:37<jm_>there's a prompt at the end of install to install extra stuff, you can select it there
07:38<ken>I have used all environments and like cinnomin (i cant spell) is this one availible? or just stick to gnome to get a feel for it?
07:39<jm_>cinnamon? yes it's available, I don't remember if it's shown in that list at the end :)
07:40<jm_>but in any case, installing it will be trivial
07:40<ken>I currently use robolinux, but my understanding is robolinux has already been customized. Debian 9.2 will start me out with the bare basics, right?
07:41<ken>I don't know how to configure things that don't work well with my hardware
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07:42<jm_>for standard stuff like graphics or wifi debian wiki has the steps or just ask here, i.e. https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/ (there's a similar page for ATI)
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07:42<ken>thanks
07:42<jm_>no worries
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07:43<jm_>other things usually work OK out of the box, even that sometimes works, also if you need wifi during install take a look at:
07:43<jm_>!firmware images
07:43<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>.
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07:47<ken>great info on those links. It is exactly what I needed. :)
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07:58<znoteer>jm_: I extracted a new insserv from the .deb. It had a good md5sum. Copied it to /sbin. The partially installed packages installed. But, now, when trying to complete the upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2 (base-files has yet to be upgraded), I get this: "Illegal instruction \n E: Sub-process /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -lt 10 returned an error code (1) \n E: Failure running script /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -lt 10"
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08:00<znoteer>web searches for that error message have turned up similar messages and problems, but not quite close enough to be helpful
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08:01<jm_>znoteer: "Illegal instruction" sounds like someone familiar with the hardware would know more, I have no idea about armel
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08:02<znoteer>jm_, am I likely to meet such a person hanging out here?
08:03<jm_>znoteer: sorry, no idea
08:03<jm_>!armel
08:03<dpkg>armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port, first released with Debian 5.0 "Lenny". http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. See also <armel vs armhf>.
08:03<jm_>maybe try that channel too
08:03<znoteer>OK, thanks
08:06<jm_>no problem
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08:12<fuzzy>what could be the problem?
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09:32<tyng>why has this been released yet hasn't made it to the release repositories? https://tracker.debian.org/news/877660 https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/base-files
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09:40<BLACK>HELOOOO
09:40<BLACK>SORRY I MEAN HELLO
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09:41<BLACK>mmmmm....
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09:43<BLACK>hello
09:43<BLACK>saigkill
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09:45<saigkill>BLACK, yes?
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09:59<dvs>just ask your question
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10:15<tyng>see also http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/b/base-files/stable_changelog
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10:31<Blacker47>tyng, it is in strech-updates. (i assume somebody just forgot to update it in time).
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10:34<Blacker47>tyng, see also: https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2017/10/msg00001.html
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11:04<murat>hey guys im trying to change date time font color in top panel. i have a user theme. So i found gnome-shell.css at home local share .themes
11:04<murat>i opened gnome-shell.css with text editor
11:05<murat>but i couldn't find which line it is?
11:06<murat>anyone help me?
11:06<murat>i can share gnome-shell.css if u want
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11:08<murat>anyone help me?
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11:15<murat>anyone help me?
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11:41<at0m>a couple times more and your question disappears in backlog. not using gnome myself, so i cannot help you.
11:41<at0m>oh murat left.
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12:30<will___>hello all
12:31<will___>is there a way to make debian render at 200% scale?
12:31<will___>I'm running it in a vm on a 3000x2000 device
12:31<will___>but the physical screen size is just 13 inches and everything in here is tiny
12:32<sney>dpi is adjustable, yes. I'm not sure about explicitly 200%
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12:33<sney>last time I did it it was through gdm.conf
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12:35<will___>well i just said 200% because the laptop came with windows scaling at 200% by default and thats comfortable
12:35<will___>but anything close to would be nice
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12:38<itd>will___: 'HiDPI support' might be what you are looking for: https://wiki.debian.org/MonitorDPI | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI
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12:42<wpa3reachtheborders>hi mr.zombies
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12:44<jhutchins_wk>will___: You'll need the guest tools for whatever virtualization you use.
12:44<jhutchins_wk>will___: That itself might solve it.
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12:54<will___>jhutchins_wk, i have that installed
12:55<will___>i dont have the stretch option available though
12:55<will___>i already tried a lower resolution and them stretching before.
12:55<will___>the stretch option just remained faded
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13:29<ppc64_deb8>PowerMacG7 user here with 970 ppc64 processors and piles of memory ( 8GB ) and I ran into a fascinating problem. I build GNU Binutils 2.29.1 and installed into /usr/local but now I can not even compile trivial one line "Hello World" because lto_plugin.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 so any clues?
13:29<ppc64_deb8>sorry .. the full error is /usr/local/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-linux-gnu/4.9/liblto_plugin.so: error loading plugin: /usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-linux-gnu/4.9/liblto_plugin.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
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13:31<itd>ppc64_deb8: Did maybe compile binutils for a 32bit system while running a 64bit system?
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13:32<ppc64_deb8>itd: the entire system is 64-bit however it runs both 32-bit and 64-bit just fine .. I think the real issue is with the system gcc
13:33<itd>ppc64_deb8: Tried to compile w/o things installed to /usr/local?
13:33<ppc64_deb8>itd: also .. see $ file /usr/local/bin/ld says /usr/local/bin/ld: ELF 64-bit MSB executable, 64-bit PowerPC or cisco 7500, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld64.so.1, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=cde190b8ecba91f65a050f1b0c93a230dadf626d, not stripped
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13:58<GoGi>I updated to 9.2, and now postfix does not run anymore (it did before)
13:59<GoGi>I am not exactly sure what is going on, but the unit file only has ExecStart=/bin/true?
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14:01<GoGi>I have disabled and enabled it again
14:01<GoGi>now it runs
14:01<GoGi>but how can it run at all if only /bin/true is started?
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14:07<itd>GoGi: How did you check if postfix is running?
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14:08<GoGi>ps -C master
14:08<GoGi>connecting via smtp
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14:10<GoGi>the disabling and enabling ran some sysv compatibility script
14:10<GoGi>but why is that called at all when /lib/systemd/system/postfix.service exists?
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14:10<GoGi>does /bin/true mean that sysv-scripts are called instead?
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14:12<itd>GoGi: I think postfix.service is just a dummy service that will start after all postfix@.services and can be used for other services to declare a dependency on a postfix instance.
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14:13<GoGi>I have only one instance
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14:13<GoGi>but I just found a file
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14:14<GoGi>/run/systemd/generator/postfix.service.wants/postfix@-.service
14:14<GoGi>does the minus sign stay for the default instance?
14:14<GoGi>who created that file?
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14:17<jhutchins_wk>http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/faq.html
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14:19<itd>GoGi: I'd guess it was created by "postfix-instance-generator". https://sources.debian.net/src/postfix/3.1.4-7/debian/postfix-instance-generator/#L5
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14:19<GoGi>thanks
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14:20<GoGi>aha
14:20<GoGi> systemd will execute those binaries very early at bootup and at configuration reload time -- before the unit files are loaded.
14:21<GoGi>but it is strange as I restarted the system
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14:34<GoGi>indeed that is the problem
14:34<GoGi>the generator is not run on reboot
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14:34<GoGi>i restarted the system, /run/systemd/generator/postfix.service.wants is empty and postfix is not running
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15:14<Galahad>hello guys
15:17<jhutchins_wk>!postfix
15:17<dpkg>Postfix is a <MTA> originally created as an alternative to <sendmail>. It aims to be fast, secure, easy to administer and (relatively) sendmail compatible. Receiving "no mechanism available" with SASL when used as a SMTP client? Install the suggested libsasl2-modules package. Kyle Dent's Postfix FAQ: http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix http://www.postfix.org/ #postfix on irc.freenode.net.
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16:22<t0mas>Hey I just installed Debian strech on a machine I had laying around. I used a net setup and everything worked fine. now I disabled all GUI desktops because I plan to run headless.
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16:22<t0mas>i am having a hard time connect to a network
16:23<t0mas>I figured me just plugging in an ethernet cable would work
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16:23<t0mas>but everytime i restart the networking service it fails
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16:32<fluffyduff>hi
16:33<fluffyduff>wouldn't it be cool if packages were distributed between different debian installation via torrent?
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16:34<fluffyduff>you could just do apt-torrent install hexchat and download the hexchat package normally
16:34<sney>,v apt-transport-debtorrent
16:34<judd>Package: apt-transport-debtorrent on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.2.2+b1
16:34<sney>must've gotten abandoned for some reason
16:35<fluffyduff>yes i tried that but seemingly nobody was sharing :(
16:35<tt>I was about to say, unless your boxes end up seeding your cached packages, I don't see the point
16:35<tt>it would just end up being seeded by people volunteering to provide mirrors
16:35<tt>I guess you could download from multiple of those at once, though
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16:37<fluffyduff>seeding the cached packages would be a good idea
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16:38<sney>something that could be built into debtorrent, and enabled via debconf prompt on package install, yeah. certainly don't want to force it on users who may have bw constraints
16:39<sney>patches welcome, I'm sure.
16:39<fluffyduff>yes, nobody should be forced to do it of course
16:40<fluffyduff>but i just downloaded the debian dvds and there are so many people offering it that i had problems seeding myself
16:40<itd>t0mas: How did you disable the GUI?
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16:41<itd>(And which GUI (=DE?) did you install?)
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16:42<fluffyduff>i'll take a look what the problem with debtorrent may be (if there is some discussion about it)
16:43<itd>t0mas: What did you try?
16:46<jhutchins_wk>!tell t0mas about interfaces
16:46<jhutchins_wk>t0mas: You either have to manually configure networking through /etc/network/interfaces or use the CLI for Network Manager. If it's a static IP, NM is overkill.
16:48<fluffyduff>btw, do i get back normal configuration via /etc/network/interfaces back if i purge network-manager?
16:48<fluffyduff>-back
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16:48<tt>fluffyduff: they can theoretically play nice together
16:49<tt>I think NM ignores interfaces defined in interfaces
16:49<tt>but, yes. and make sure ifupdown is installed
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16:50<fluffyduff>ok thx
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16:50<jhutchins_wk>Yes, that's how it's supposed to work, NM should list configured interfaces as "Unmanaged".
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18:28<okasd>Hi. I'm using wheezy, and wondering if it's possible to backport a single package (mount.cifs), since I require a newer version.
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18:32<annadane>i actually have no idea how backports work in wheezy
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18:33<annadane>if you mean https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/cifs-utils i want to say you could probably backport it using simplebackportcreation from jessie but don't quote me on that
18:33<somiaj>okasd: backport from where? Note mount.cifs requires samba, so you may have to backport all of samba.
18:33<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation
18:33<annadane>or... just listen to somiaj ^ :D
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18:34<murat>hi
18:34<somiaj>annadane: I would be careful with wheezy, since it is now oldoldstable, usually one doens't want to skip versions (including backporting) so best to only backport jessie sources to wheezy.
18:34<somiaj>debian calls backports which skip releases sloppy-backports. Possible but usually suggested against using.
18:35<murat>ng to change
18:35<murat>im trying to change font color of date/time on top panel
18:35<murat>how can i do this?
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18:36<sney>,checkbackport cifs-utils --fromrelease stretch --torelease wheezy
18:36<judd>Backporting package cifs-utils in stretch→wheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
18:36<somiaj>murat: depends on the panel/desktop you are using. If using gnome, you'll have to look into how to change it. And I'm unsure if the app can be changed or you have to change the whole gtk theme.
18:36<annadane>somiaj, i suggested jessie because it's next in line after wheezy
18:36<annadane>what am i missing?
18:36<sney>somiaj, okasd see the judd reply
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18:36<murat>somiaj i found the gnome-shell theme of my the
18:36<murat>i found the gnome-shell.css of my teheme
18:37<murat>but i dont know which line do i change
18:37<somiaj>murat: I don't know gnome well enough, but knowing that the desktop is gnome, it gives you a place to start.
18:37<murat>im using gnome
18:37<somiaj>murat: you may find gnome specific help more helpful on this front.
18:37<murat>thank u
18:37<somiaj>murat: you just want to change the font/color of the clock applet or of the whole theme/panel?
18:40<annadane>somiaj, but yes, i suggested jessie and not stretch
18:40<somiaj>annadane: I missed that, and as sney showed it may work from stretch, hence a sloppy-backport.
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18:40<annadane>ah, all right. just wondering if i committed a major faux pas
18:40<somiaj>though I wonder if updating utils-cifs is enough or if some of samba will also need to be updated.
18:41<annadane>right
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18:41<sney>probably depends on if it's a mundane version check or something else
18:42<okasd>How can I tell if I can upgrade to jessie ?
18:42<okasd>I mean, the system itself.
18:42<okasd>It's arm based.
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18:43<okasd>Or should I upgrade to latest ?
18:43<somiaj>okasd: debian is designed to be upgradable, so you should be able to go from wheezy->jessie
18:43<sney>is it actually debian or some derivative like raspbian?
18:43<somiaj>okasd: you will have to go through jessie no matter what, /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie -- and make sure it really is debian as sney points out.
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18:43<okasd>I'm not sure.
18:44<okasd>It's on an embedded device, not a pi though.
18:44<sney>disk space may also be a concern with embedded
18:44<somiaj>okasd: did you install debian's arm port or some custom image that came with the device? Or do you not know?
18:45<okasd>To be honest I really don't recall.
18:45<okasd>Is it possible to check the date of the filesystem ? or some other system timestamp ?
18:45<okasd>It could be that the system is >3y old.
18:45<somiaj>well you can check things like apt-cache policy (or your sources.list) do you have any non debian sources? Then check things like the kernel, make sure it is an offical debian kernel.
18:45<sney>running wheezy that's fairly likely
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18:51<okasd>head /var/log/apt/history.log shows first package at 2015; but it could be that the logs were purged at some point.
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18:51<okasd>It's a pogoplug device
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19:04<iKarith>Does anybody here happen to understand the live filesystem images much? It seems to me like they have a built-in error.
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19:05<iKarith>Maybe it's gparted that has the error
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19:18<somiaj>iKarith: debian .iso images are hybred and may not fully follow standards gparted is looking for
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19:18<somiaj>the live system has to be both bootable if written to a cd and bootable if written to a usb
19:18<iKarith>somiaj: I thought as much
19:19<iKarith>Is it possible to "fix" it?
19:19<somiaj>the standard system is also bootable in both legacy and efi mode. Tools like parted do not get along well with these images.
19:19<somiaj>iKarith: what is your end goal?
19:19<iKarith>somiaj: To stop accidentally blowing the thing away when I boot it to fix something else.
19:20<iKarith>If gparted saw the 2GB partition (which is nicely labeled) it'd solve the problem
19:20<somiaj>I don't follow, why would booting the live image blow things away
19:21<iKarith>Because I'm booting the live image to do things like recreate other USB sticks that are the same time and tend to look too much like the one I've booted from
19:21<iKarith>at least from gparted's POV
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19:22<iKarith>I think the problem is that there are two overlapping partitions
19:22<somiaj>so you are having troulbe identifying which /dev/sd? to mess with because you have the live system and other usb drives all on the system/
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19:22<somiaj>I still don't see why you would need to mess with the live images file system in this.
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19:24<iKarith>Yeah, I'm legally blind and the live system boots with the fonts it uses. I've managed now to hose the system I've booted off of about three times in total now, and I said to myself, "Self, you need to label this damned partition with something obvious like "THIS IS THE STICK YOU BOOTED OFF OF, DON'T GPT ME!" (Okay that's too long for a label, but you get the idea...)
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19:25<somiaj>iKarith: get a usbstick with a switch that you can turn write proection on and it cannot be written to.
19:25<iKarith>That's a thought actually
19:26<somiaj>But here I'm not quite sure why this is happening, don't you have to point gpartd at the correct drive, /dev/sd?, so it is just a matter of being able to clearly identify which usb stick each /dev/sd? points to?
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19:26<iKarith>How do you identify the "correct drive" when you're looking at 32GB USB sticks?
19:27<iKarith>The problem is that the live stick looks like there's nothing on it
19:27<somiaj>You should be able to tell exactly which drive you are running from
19:27<iKarith>well, a small ESP on it
19:27<somiaj>the moutput of mount or df -h should be able to tell you what drive you are actually running from.
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19:29<iKarith>with root being a squashfs ramdisk?
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19:31<iKarith>If I use cfdisk, I can clearly see which is which
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19:31<somiaj>no / will be in ramdisk, but I belive they mount the actual live imgae somewhere
19:32<iKarith>but I think the two partitions are overlapped which is keeping gparted from seeing it
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19:33<somiaj>another option maybe extract the live image and use something like syslinux to make it bootable instead of using the hybrid iso image.
19:33<somiaj>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/382817/uefi-bios-bootable-live-debian-stretch-amd64-with-persistence
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19:33<somiaj>that seems tho show how to both make it efi bootable and legacy bootable using syslinux
19:34<somiaj>there are other guides out there for using syslinux to make the debian live images persistant. You may not need persistant, but they do include instructions for copying the live system onto a usb drive with a known partition table and then making it bootable (which is the tricky part)
19:35<somiaj>Debian just tries to provide images that are bootable by a direct copy (no configuration needed) but as you see, this involves a complicated/non standard partition table
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19:47<iKarith>somiaj: I could possibly just install 9.x on it and create a grub partition so it can boot both CSM and from the ESP
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19:47<eblu>yo, bit of a problem here
19:47<iKarith>I'd prefer to have the installer be available though
19:47<eblu>debian does NOT want to connect to the internet
19:48<eblu>i set everything to enp5s0 but no dice
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19:48<eblu>GNOME just eternally says "connecting"
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19:49<eblu>ping says network is unreachable
19:49<iKarith>You might want to provide more information about hardware :)
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19:49<eblu>alright what commands do i have to type in?
19:49<eblu>i'm assuming i don't have the drivers. i grabbed the firmware packages earlier but they're "invalid"
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19:51<eblu>whoops, something's unstable on my phone :P
19:51<eblu>anyway what should i run for a hardware report?
19:51<iKarith>what hardware are you needing firmware for?
19:51<eblu>not sure
19:52<iKarith>lspci might be a start
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19:52<iKarith>00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04)
19:52<iKarith>something like that
19:53<iKarith>Although if yours was Intel you'd likely not be asking about firmware.
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19:54<eblu>05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c)
19:55<eblu>keep trying to open up firmware-realtek_20161130-3_all.deb but software complains that "this file is not supported"
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19:57<eblu>note to self: do NOT take images with this thing
19:58<blast007>eblu: are you using 'dpkg -i firmware-realtek_20161130-3_all.deb' ?
19:59<eblu>dpkg
19:59<eblu>dog
19:59<eblu>doy*
19:59<eblu>still sorta new to linux lol
19:59*iKarith nods
20:00<iKarith>what're you trying to open that with?
20:00<eblu>software install
20:00<iKarith>as in Gnome?
20:00<eblu>yep
20:01<blast007>eblu: go to a terminal, and as root (either from root shell, or by prefixing it with sudo), dpkg -i firmware-realtek_20161130-3_all.deb (assuming that .deb is directly in your home directory)
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20:01<iKarith>it has no dependencies so open a t... what blast007 said.
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20:02<iKarith>Gnome's thingy probably expects to use its own software, not a .deb file
20:02<iKarith>you have the right deb file for that system
20:02<eblu>restarting networking fails
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20:04<iKarith>I wonder if your ethernet is trying to be managed by ifupdown anyway
20:04<eblu>on rebooting it fails to start networkmanager-wait-online
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20:05<eblu>still not connected :/
20:05<iKarith>(I'm needed in the kitchen, sorry)
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20:10<blast007>eblu: does 'sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware' complain about missing firmware?
20:11<eblu>complains about an acpi firmware bug, bluetooth, and is direct loading r8169
20:12<eblu>i'm assuming the latter is the ethernet driver
20:12<blast007>yeah
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20:13<eblu>raising network interfaces still fails though
20:13<eblu>not sure why
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20:14<fuzzybuzz>did you install the firmware?
20:14<eblu>yep
20:15<eblu>not sure what else i need
20:15<blast007>I think I have the same/similar NIC on this motherboard, but I put an Intel NIC in instead
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20:16<eblu>it's a gigabyte ga-ab350m-gaming 3 mini
20:16<eblu>mobo
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20:16<eblu>autocorrect is a blessing and a curse
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20:18<fuzzybuzz>if it is the correct firmware maybe reloading the driver works
20:19<fuzzybuzz>does dmesg give any hints the firmware was accepted?
20:20<eblu>going from the top
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20:20<eblu>xhci_hcd complains about a transfer event
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20:21<eblu>tpm_crb can't request region for resource
20:21<eblu>I/O address 0x0cd6 already in use
20:21<eblu>nouveau unknown chipset
20:22<eblu>failed to load brcm/[loadsanumbers].hcd
20:22<eblu>that should be it
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20:26<fuzzybuzz>have you tried this package: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/r8168-dkms ?
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20:28<blast007>!r8169
20:28<dpkg>r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver.
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20:29<eblu>i cannot since i don't have an internet connection
20:31<fuzzybuzz>well if the driver is the right one (as blast007 seems to claim) and the firmware is the right one it should work
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20:32<blast007>I have the RTL8111 in here, but disabled in the BIOS
20:33<blast007>I was almost thinking that I didn't need the firmware for basic functionality before
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20:34<fuzzybuzz>i found folks with a similiar card who had to compile the dkms driver, so i am not sure which one is the right (or better) driver
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20:37<fuzzybuzz>have you tried rebooting the machine after installing the firmware?
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20:37<eblu>yep
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20:40<fuzzybuzz>hmm strange
20:41<fuzzybuzz>does it still complain about missing firmware?
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20:56<eblu>alright i'm back, had to eat
20:57<eblu>so internet problems. i have the driver
20:59<fuzzybuzz>if it still complains the problem is not fixed
21:00<eblu>the thing is that the internet was working when i booted from the live usb
21:00<fuzzybuzz>debian live?
21:00<eblu>yep
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21:01<eblu>it just doesn't work within the installer
21:02<eblu>oh never mind live doesn't work
21:02<eblu>it did earlier though?
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21:03<eblu>i'll try the debian installer with firmware
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21:06<blast007>eblu: how are you verifying that it isn't working? does the interface just not get an IP address?
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21:27<fuzzybuzz>why does aide crash my system when i include /proc into the files it should check and put into the database?
21:27<fuzzybuzz>i get that it is not necessary, but should it crash?
21:29<sney>aide sounds like an indexed file search of some sort?
21:30<iflema>sounds like someone was bored
21:30<annadane>"Advanced Intrusion Detection Environment - static binary"
21:30<annadane>https://packages.debian.org/stable/aide
21:30<fuzzybuzz>it creates hashes of files so you can check later if a file changed
21:31<iflema>fuzzybuzz: thats what /proc files do
21:31<sney>ah, then likely because /proc does not contain files per se, and the "contents" will fluctuate constantly for some
21:31<iflema>dynamic
21:31<sney>you'd probably get the same result if you told it to index /dev and it encountered urandom
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21:32<dboles>"oh noes youre definitely hacked!!!"
21:33<fuzzybuzz>not sure, would it not just keep working forever?
21:34<fuzzybuzz>i got a total freeze
21:34<blast007>so don't add /proc
21:35<fuzzybuzz>yep
21:36<fuzzybuzz>i hope nobody hacks my urandom file
21:36<fuzzybuzz>i keep all my bitcoins in it
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22:14<eblu>booted the live usb with the proprietary firmware included and it still isn't working ::
22:14<eblu>:/*
22:14<eblu>for those who didn't see, debian 9 isn't connecting to the internet
22:15<somiaj>what is the chipset of your network card?
22:15<eblu>iirc it's realtek something
22:15<somiaj>did you check firmware was loaded 'dmesg | grep firmware', did you check your network was configured correctly
22:15<somiaj>realtek something doesn't help me check if it is actaully supported with the stretch kernel.
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22:15<eblu>bluetooth failed to load but r8169 loaded with no issues
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22:16<somiaj>r8169 is a wired interface, is this the interface you are trying to use?
22:16<eblu>yep
22:16<somiaj>what makes you think it isn't working? CAn you explain what isn't working?
22:16<eblu>gnome is just reporting back "connecting"
22:17<somiaj>how are you trying to configure your network.
22:17<eblu>plus ping fails
22:17<eblu>DHCP, running off of a live usb for now
22:17<somiaj>so using network-manager, what does it say about the interface, has it been assigned an ip?
22:17<somiaj>or what is the output of 'ip a'
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22:18<eblu>ignoring the lo entry:
22:18<annadane>not here
22:18<annadane>paste.debian.net
22:18<somiaj>well was your interface assigned an ip or not?
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22:18<somiaj>might be hard to copy it since the machine isn't on the network.
22:19<fuzzybuzz>does it say something like 192.168.1.100?
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22:19<eblu>2: enp5s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWERUP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP group default qlen 1000
22:19<shadon99>Hello there!
22:20<eblu>link/ether 1c:1b:0d:e6:1d:ad brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
22:20<eblu>should probably post lo too now that i think about it
22:20<somiaj>I only see ipv6 address there, does your network support that, or maybe your machine just ins't getting a dhcp request back.
22:20<somiaj>so it could be more a network issue than your machine
22:21<eblu>1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1
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22:21<eblu>link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
22:21<somiaj>lo really isn't that important, it appears that you do not have a ipv4 address configured. If using dhcp, your network isn't correctly responding to it.
22:22<eblu>hm
22:22<somiaj>eblu: you don't have any inet lines for either lo or your interface?
22:22<somiaj>eblu: you should have something like this for lo, inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
22:22<eblu>i do have inet and inet6 for lo
22:22<somiaj>what about your other interface
22:22<eblu>nothing, just a link/ether
22:23<eblu>dhcp DOES work on other systems
22:23<eblu>can confirm for arch, ubuntu, windows, macOS
22:23<somiaj>well there is nothing you have shown that says why the network is not working here. The card is up, the dhcp request is being sent. Check the cable, make sure it is pluged in correctly
22:23<somiaj>the next step will be assign it a static ip address and start to debug the network/issue from there
22:24<somiaj>the lights are blinking on the card with the cord plugged in?
22:24<eblu>looks like it
22:24<eblu>router does work though
22:25<somiaj>it is more likely a configuration issue. grep enp5s0 /etc/network/interfaces (that card isn't mentioned the interfaces file is it?)
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22:26<eblu>auto enp5s0
22:27<eblu>iface enp5s0 inet dhcp
22:27<eblu>looks fine to me...?
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22:27<eblu>i can't ping anything on my local network
22:28<eblu>says network is unreachable
22:29<somiaj>eblu: then network manager will complete ignore that device. what does 'ifup enp5s0' do
22:29<somiaj>eblu: of course, you don't have an ip, you need to assign an ip to be able to pings things
22:30<eblu>interface enp5s0 already configured
22:31<shadon99>I need help. I've been trying to install ifconfig and netstat in Debian 9 but I'm having problems with that... What do I need to do?
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22:31<shadon99>I'm new with linux as well.
22:32<annadane>!bat
22:32<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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22:33<eblu_>hm, router just went offline it seems
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22:34<eblu_>never mind it's back
22:34<fuzzybuzz>does dhclient enp5s0 help?
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22:35<eblu_>it runs but it isn't doing anything
22:36<fuzzybuzz>can you ping something?
22:36<eblu_>wait now it is
22:36<eblu_>no it isn't
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22:38<eblu_>it said it was connected for a second
22:40<eblu_>it isn't working on subsequent runs
22:40<eblu_>sort of is now?
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22:41<eblu_>i'm pinging 8.8.8.8 and getting lots of destination host unreachable errors from debian.local
22:41<annadane>shadon99, so essentially give us the output to paste.debian.net of apt install ifconfig netstat, apt-cache policy ifconfig netstat and apt-cache policy
22:42<shadon99>There isn't any problem with the source list... I can install some things here. "apt-get install ifconfig" It isn't work. Am I making a mistake? I'm running Debian with no GUI
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22:43<annadane>oh, wait a sec
22:43<annadane>it's not called that, it's something else
22:43<annadane>shadon99, apt install ifupdown, sorry
22:43<shadon99>Got it.
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22:44<fuzzybuzz>can you ping your router?
22:44<annadane>and there's no package called "netstat", let me see what the actual name is
22:44<fuzzybuzz>8.8.8.8 would be the next step
22:44<somiaj>eblu_: ifdown enp5s0 followed by ifup enp5s0
22:44<annadane>netstat-nat possibly?
22:44<eblu_>nope
22:45<eblu_>ok it's doing a lot of DHCPDISCOVERs
22:45<eblu_>is it supposed to be going to 255.255.255.255?
22:46<fuzzybuzz>yes, it means broadcast, everyone may reply
22:46<annadane>shadon99, sorry about that. i'm stupid.
22:46<eblu_>no DHCP offers received
22:46<fuzzybuzz>but your router should reply
22:46<fuzzybuzz>if it has dhcp configured
22:46<eblu_>no working leases in persistent database - sleeping
22:46<eblu_>i should see what's up in my router
22:47<shadon99>annadane thanks very much!
22:47<somiaj>eblu_: that is your machine failing to get a dhcp response back from your network.
22:48<somiaj>eblu_: try a static ip
22:48<eblu_>what's netmask?
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22:49<fuzzybuzz>ip addr add 192.168.1.2 dev enp5s0 would be a static ip
22:49<somiaj>eblu_: you don't have to set it, and it will default, but it is essence it describes the range of ip's of your local network.
22:50<fuzzybuzz>your router should probably be on 192.168.1.1 or similiar then
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22:51<eblu_>still a lot of destination host unreachable
22:52<fuzzybuzz>what does ip route say? what is the ip of your router?
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22:52<eblu_>192.168.1.1
22:52<eblu_>brb
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22:55<mjchow>hello
22:55<fuzzybuzz>hi
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22:56<mjchow>i used it for the first time
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23:02<annadane>mjchow, hi. welcome to debian. :) this is a support channel for technical questions
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23:06<shadon99>What does it mean? " allow-hotplug enp0s10 " " iface enp0s10 inet dhcp "
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23:07<annadane>shadon99, is that from an output? from ifconfig? it'd help if you were a little more specific
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23:08<shadon99>These things belongs to this file here /etc/network/interfaces
23:08<shadon99>Wait a minute, please. I'll write it down
23:09<shadon99>source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
23:10<shadon99># The loopback network interfaces
23:10<shadon99>auto lo
23:11<shadon99>iface lo inet loopback
23:11<shadon99># The primary network interface
23:11<annadane>shadon99, don't paste too much to the channel; use paste.debian.net in future
23:12<annadane>but okay, it's a network interfaces thing.
23:12<shadon99>allow-hotplug enp0s10
23:12<shadon99>Okay, I'm sorry
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23:13<annadane>i don't know much about that stuff, someone else can probably comment on it
23:13<shadon99>Thanks
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23:17<shadon99>This is my first time running Debian. But when I was running an other OS based on Debian, that file was like this... auto eth0 iface eth0 inet "static" "dhcp"
23:18<shadon99>You know?
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23:23<settman>br ?
23:23<annadane>!br
23:23<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
23:23<annadane>settman, ^
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