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02:31<ppc64_deb8>I have a question about the installer wherein it asks for the "Choose a mirror of the Debian archive" and further magic "an alternate port can be specified using the standard [hostname]:[port] format." To this I said "http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports"
02:31<ppc64_deb8>that isn't working very well ...
02:32<ppc64_deb8>I guess once I select the protocol http then the field only wants the basics
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02:32*ppc64_deb8 sees "Bad archive mirror"
02:33<jm_>tried just saying "ftp.ports.debian.org:foo" instead like it says?
02:34<ppc64_deb8>I can only assume "foo" is 80
02:35<jm_>by default, you shouldn't need to specify that, but do you need to use another port for this host? it works ok for me on port 80
02:35<ppc64_deb8>I see my error ... I had entered "http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports" and that isn't what is being asked
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02:35<jm_>yeah that's what I tried to say above
02:36<ppc64_deb8>now "Please enter the directory in which the mirror of the Debian archive is located." so this will be "/debian-ports/"
02:39<ppc64_deb8>nope .. that is failing too .. I need to go look at that mirror .. the syslog claims "http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports/dists/buster/Release" is a big ol 404
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02:42<ppc64_deb8>damn it ... how do I specify "sid" as the release in there ?
02:44*ppc64_deb8 gets a tad frustrated here
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02:45<jm_>unstable
02:45<jm_>but sid should work too, maybe #debian-next is a better place for these questions though
02:45<ppc64_deb8>I am fine with "sid" and "unstable" but the data I handed over to the installed is being munged a bit and the word "Buster" is being tossed into the url
02:46<ppc64_deb8>ummm .. sure .. this is a tad experimental . I am running a test on an installer image
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02:51<ppc64_deb8>before running off to the debian powerpc64 chan or debian-next does anyone figure I can simply drop to a shell and edit the /etc/apt/sources.list manually and move on ?
02:51<xilok>how do i reinstall debian from terminal
02:51<xilok>or reselect package of install
02:51<jm_>ppc64_deb8: can't you switch to tty2 and edit it there and proceed with installer?
02:51<xilok>i gorgot the cmd
02:51<xilok>forgot the cmd
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02:52<ppc64_deb8>jm_: I am running the installer remotely with ssh .. but sure .. that would work .. I have to walk over to the server :-\
02:52<xilok>where the blue install screen pocks back up and i can switch version that is installed .. like web server and printer server and such?
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02:52<jm_>ppc64_deb8: ahh so maybe another ssh connection to edit it?
02:52<jm_>should be in /target/etc/apt/sources.list
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02:53<ppc64_deb8>jm_: the installer is what fires up ( curses front end and all ) if I ssh back in .. however I have a shell now and can not find the sources.list .. yet
02:53<ppc64_deb8>jm_: no joy there --> ls: /target: No such file or directory
02:54<ppc64_deb8>jm_: this is a network installer at the moment
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02:55*ppc64_deb8 finds the problem .. the file /etc/lsb-release
02:56<ppc64_deb8>jm_: looks like lsb-release claims DISTRIB_RELEASE="10 (buster) - installer build 20170828" so that makes this a no go
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02:57<mk>\msg un_roux couille
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02:57<mk>\msg sltccool bite
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02:58<mk>\query sltccool
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03:12<xilok>meh
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03:12<xilok>googles how to reinstall xfce
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03:14<xilok>maybe rm /* will work
03:15<jm_>!install xfce
03:15<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
03:16<jm_>xilok: what you asked about before was taskstel so run that and you will get a chance to select xfce there too
03:18<xilok>i've installed and reinstalled so much i think i might of messed somthing up lol
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03:20<xilok>it says 0 upgraded and 0 installed
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03:20<xilok>and 70 not upgraded
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03:20<xilok>i might just reinstall base of everything
03:21<xilok>on the bright side reputition gets me use to the os.. lol
03:21<jm_>maybe do that if you can and then be more careful
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03:22<xilok>lol welll i finally figure out how to mount the iso to usb with cp
03:23<xilok>after i crashed xfce lol
03:23<jm_>you mean to put it on the USB for boot?
03:23<xilok>ya
03:24<jm_>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
03:24<xilok>i took windows off everything so that i can learn deb better
03:24<jm_>be very careful when doing this so you don't overwrite other disks
03:24<xilok>so i have to relearn everything just about
03:24<xilok>yea, i read that. first time didnt understand but got it today
03:25<jm_>if you run lsblk you should be able to figure out which device is USB disk based on size
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03:26<xilok>i was using dmesg
03:26<jm_>yeah that works too if you just plugged it in
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03:36<xilok>I will just redo all of this.
03:36<xilok>I dont know why it repartitioned the disk
03:36<xilok>whatever
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03:38<xilok>Now i have to redownload the nvidia driver and try to install them
03:38<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I've installed other OS for dual boot with Debian Stretch (a Debian based OS, Parrot). But I'd like to reinstall grub (debian version) again, not this grub that came with parrot installation. Please, should I use 'grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sda' ?
03:40<xilok>since i am reinstalling it, what would be bestk desktop enviroment for steam?
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03:43<Gabriel_7>xilok: Well you are on #debian so you might expect to people to tell you #debian.
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03:44<xilok>I am not sure if it matters.
03:45<xilok>If the nvidia drivers are better supported on a certan one or not
03:45<Gabriel_7>but steam is really mostly tested on ubuntu: "Ubuntu is our favorite version of Linux."
03:45<rob_debian>Hi all, I've tried to reinstall grub, asked here first but tried to reinstall it through 'grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sda' command, as root, according previous Debian Support here. My grub 'mande in Debian' is working fine. Thanks for everyone !
03:45<Gabriel_7>xilok: You mean the proprietary nvidia driver of the open source one?
03:46<Gabriel_7>The proprietary one works without problem here.
03:47<xilok>isnt ubuntu a modified version of debian?
03:47<Gabriel_7>xilok: ubuntu is based on Debian but the packages are not the same.
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03:53<xilok>my task bar dissapeared
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03:55<xilok>im gonna have to reinstall on this system to. lol
03:55<xilok>then the day after tomarrow the ssd gets in and then reinstall again
03:56<xilok>i doubt ill image the disk over
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04:15<xilok_>mate desktop failed
04:15<xilok_>round two
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04:16<xilok_>watch some dark matter while i wait to reinstall
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04:16<xilok_>omg
04:17<xilok_>fuk .... netflix error
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04:17<luna>Updating Debian at work today too 9.2 going fine :)
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04:21<xilok_>lol
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04:26<xilok_>bida back
04:26<xilok_>and we got netfix up
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04:27<xilok_>ffffffff **xx **xx no sound drivers
04:27<xilok_>ok how do i get sound drivers installed on debian
04:28<xilok_>!sound
04:28<dpkg>Ask me about <alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <pulseaudio>.
04:28<xilok_>!salsa
04:28<jm_>they are installed together with the kernel
04:28<iflema>how did you get up?
04:28<xilok_>yea, but clearly not working
04:30<jm_>«aplay -l» lists devices and -L all PCMs
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04:32<xilok_>card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC269VC Analog [ALC269VC Analog]
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04:33<xilok_> /etc/pulse/daemon.conf:
04:33<xilok_>has all items commented out
04:34<jm_>try using pavucontrol to configure it
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04:35<xilok_>ok
04:36<xilok_>so headphones work
04:36<xilok_>but not speaker on labtop
04:37*iflema level up
04:38<xilok_>o well
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04:43<iflema>make sure its not muted, maybe try alsamixer as well but its a little hard to tell at times
04:44<iflema>a quick google show people with issues saying they rebooted and it worked
04:44<iflema>reloading something seems to do it
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04:46<bop>howdoyoudo, ladies and gentlemen! what happens with ftp.ua.debian.org? google says it down:-(
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04:47<bop>i enjoy, but butt is ..
04:49<iflema>if ya l's are sorted
04:50<bop>iflema i did not get:-(
04:50<bop>anyway as you wish:-)
04:51<iflema>its down
04:51<iflema>lol
04:51<bop>thanks
04:52<bop>see you!
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05:24<sunslider>I have some missing packages in stretch but they are on previous releases, is it safe to add jessie or other repos to a stretch system?
05:27<BCMM>probably not
05:27<BCMM>!frankendebian
05:27<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
05:27<BCMM>ok, who put that in? that's hardly fair to ##linux imho
05:28<BCMM>sunslider: what packages are missing? there may be good reasons they are gone
05:28<sunslider>hmm what's my best option here?
05:29<sunslider>cramfsprogs
05:29<BCMM>hmm, that is a bit weird
05:29<sunslider>it's on wheezy jessie and sid but not on stretch for some reason, I'd like to know why :(
05:30<BCMM>presumably it's not just deprecated since it's in sid
05:30<sunslider>adding sid as a repo is also a big no no?
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05:31<BCMM>yes
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05:31<sunslider>so compile from sources is my best bet I guess
05:32<BCMM>sunslider: https://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cramfs/news/20150928T155853Z.html
05:32<BCMM>actually https://bugs.debian.org/800316 is probably a better link
05:32<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/800316 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: cramfs -- ROM; obsoleted by squashfs and initramfs»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-09-27; last modified: 2015-10-27.
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05:33<BCMM>it looks like it was taken out because squashfs replaces cramfs. however, if you're working with some weird embedded distro or something, and it demands cramfs, that's a bit awkward
05:33<sunslider>yup binwalk needs it
05:34<sunslider>BCMM: much appreciate the link though
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05:35<BCMM>sunslider: that can't be entirely correct, as binwalk is in stretch
05:35<BCMM>what happens if you apt-get install binwalk?
05:35<BCMM>looks like it just depends on cramfsswap, which is still packaged by debian
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05:38<sunslider>their README says it needs the cramfs packages as a dependency
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05:39<sunslider>It's "recommended" and they have it in a their debs.sh script that installs additional dependencies
05:39<BCMM>are you installing binwalk from source then?
05:39<sunslider>BCMM: that was my first choice but maybe apt-get is a better option here
05:40<BCMM>why wouldn't you first choice be the package manager?
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05:41<BCMM>i'm not sure why you're happy to build binwalk from source, but not its dependancies
05:42<sunslider>because of their "additional depends" (https://github.com/devttys0/binwalk/blob/master/deps.sh) I didn't want to mix a package manager and their installation guide that mentions installing using setup.py (building from sources sort of)
05:44<sunslider>but I guess trying the package manager is always a brighter choice
05:44<BCMM>what are you using binwalk for? will you actually be working with cramfs?
05:45<BCMM>it might be that the debian version is has some functionality patched out
05:45<BCMM>or they are optional dependancies that it will check for at runtime maybe?
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05:49<sunslider>nope, they won't even report an error
05:49<sunslider>try to extract a squarefs image without the additional deps and it just goes out silently
05:50<BCMM>squarefs = squashfs?
05:50<BCMM>because squashfs-tools is still well-supported in debian
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05:55<leta>Hi all! Yesterday I have updated my system to Debian 9.2 and since then the log-in screen isn't displayed on the right screen when turning on.
05:56<leta>I have a laptop connected to external screen and a TV.
05:56<leta>Laptop is closed and by default external display is used.
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05:57<leta>However, now the log-in screen is shown on the TV, even though it is disabled. During log-in time, external display is used as secondary screen.
05:58<leta>How can I change this and use *only* external display?
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06:11<MarkedOne>Hello... debian has openmpi-bin packages.. it works nicely for C but how to enable it for Java?
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06:17<itd>leta: For gdm you could try this approach: https://askubuntu.com/a/347199
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06:22<itd>MarkedOne: Unless you are on hppa or hurd-i386 java should be enabled.
06:23<MarkedOne>There should be mpijavac for compilation.. but "bash: mpijavac: command not found" I am on amd64
06:23<MarkedOne>itd: ^
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06:32<jm_>packages.debian.org does not find mpijavac
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06:33<at0m>,v mpijavac
06:33<judd>No package named 'mpijavac' was found in amd64.
06:35<MarkedOne>yeah sadly but openmpi has support for java
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06:38<MarkedOne>As you can see here https://www.open-mpi.org/faq/?category=java when you compile yourself you can add "$ ./configure --enable-mpi-java ..." to enable support for java.. But I have found packages of openmpi https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/openmpi Packages provide commands as mpirun, mpicc etc.. but not mpijavac
06:42<jm_>so it's probably built without that option?
06:42<itd>MarkedOne: Looking at a build log [1] one can see that mpijavac is build. Nevertheless it is not part of the resulting package. [1]: https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=openmpi&arch=amd64&ver=2.1.1-6%2Bb1&stamp=1503948848&raw=0
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06:44<MarkedOne>itd: Hmm... so what now? :D
06:44<MarkedOne>Should I compile it myself?
06:44<MarkedOne>Or should I report a bug?
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06:47<itd>MarkedOne: If you are willing to experiment try to modify the source package to include mpijavac. Then append your patch to a bug report. ;)
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07:10<BrainError404>Hi, I'm tryng to run debian-live on a lenovo g505, but it doesn't recognize de usb stick, can someone help me?
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07:10<BrainError404>The usb stick has a live iso, i've put it in with dc3dd if=myfile of=/dev/sd(number)
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07:12<BrainError404>*e
07:13<MarkedOne>itd, jm_: thanks
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07:15<jm_>BrainError404: sdX<number> or just sdX?
07:16<BCMM>BrainError404: any sort of error? or does it just ignore the presence of the usb stick and boot windows?
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07:16<BrainError404>BCMM, it just ignore the presence
07:16<BrainError404>USB Legacy is disabled, and so secure boot
07:17<BCMM>have you disabled secure boot, disabled fast boot-related features in the UEFI settings (could go by various names) and set boot order so the USB is before the hard disk?
07:17<BCMM>also, what jm_ said: /dev/sd(number) is incorrect
07:17<BCMM> /dev/sd(letter) is right
07:18<BCMM>oh, and have you managed to open a one time "choose boot device"-type menu?
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07:18<BCMM>not all firmware has one of those, but most do, and it'd be interesting to see if the USB stick is listed there
07:18<BrainError404>BCMM, I haven't seen any fast-boot related features, I've disabled secure boot and still haven't seen the usb
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07:19<BrainError404>Btw sorry, I've written /dev/sd(number) but the command actually was /dev/sd(letter)
07:20<jm_>what does that mean? can you show the exact command you used?
07:20<BCMM>and definitely not /dev/sd(letter)(number), right?
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07:20<BCMM>because that would write to a partition when you should probably write to the whole device
07:20<BrainError404>BCMM Yes, I haven't done /dev/sd(letter)(number)
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07:21<BrainError404>I've also checked the usb stick with gparted to make sure that I haven't done that error and gparted says that the Debian iso start at sector 64
07:22<BCMM>... shouldn't it start at sector 0?
07:22<BCMM>gparted should be showing no partition table present, right?
07:22<BrainError404>Uhm
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07:22<BCMM>or is this me not understanding hybrid images?
07:23<BrainError404>Maybe gparted hasn't seen the boot sector of hybrid images?
07:23<jm_>I think hybrid images have it
07:24<jm_>yeah /sbin/fdisk -l on debian netinst shows 2
07:24<BrainError404>Because thinking that dc3dd has written the image from sector 64 seems a bit strange
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07:28<BrainError404>I've hardcopied the firt sector from usb and says:
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07:31<BrainError404>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/39fc1834/
07:33<BrainError404>BCMM any ideas?
07:36<itd>BrainError404: Any reason not to use cp as suggested in 4.3.1? :) https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03
07:37<BrainError404>Ah so even cp can be used, okay
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08:24<BrainError404>BCMM: I can boot the usb stick only in legacy, this isn't good
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08:54<fuzzywuzz>i downloaded the apt source package but there is not apt-transport-* source package apparently
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08:58<BCMM>fuzzywuzz: depends on which apt-transport
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08:59<BCMM>apt-transport-https doesn't have a source package in sid at least because it's a transitional package
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08:59<fuzzywuzz>apt-transport-http would be nice to get started with, but i am mostly interested in apt-transport-debtorrent
08:59<BCMM>apt-transport-https has been integrated in to apt, which is why it doesn't have its own source package any more
09:00<BCMM>deptorrent i'm confused by; looks like apt-transport-debtorrent hasn't existed since wheezy
09:00<BCMM>i guess debtorrent is supposed to run as an http proxy instead?
09:01<BCMM>i.e. apt connects to the debtorrent daemon on localhost, which pretends to be an http mirror but transparently torrents stuff behidn the scenes
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09:02<fuzzywuzz>ah that would be an good idea
09:02<BCMM>fuzzywuzz: i'm just going on what it says here https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/debtorrent
09:02<BCMM>however that doesn't seem to be available after wheezy either
09:02<fuzzywuzz>it does not have to be debtorrent or even torrent, just allowing users to share deb packages they downloaded in some way
09:02<BCMM>did the idea just sort of fizzle out?
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09:03<fuzzywuzz>there are so many people sharing the debian isos, i think it would take some load off the servers
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09:03<BCMM>debian isos are already available on bittorrent
09:04<BCMM>oh, you mean that that has been a success, and doing the same for .debs would be too
09:04<fuzzywuzz>yes
09:06<fuzzywuzz>there are some cool ideas and discussions of the general problems on the debtorrent wiki page but apparently it wasn't developed anymore after some point
09:08<BCMM>i don't really understand why a new protocol was needed tbh. can't it just work over plain old bittorrent?
09:09<fuzzywuzz>yes, the updates were one of the problems that were discussed
09:09<BCMM>(reading the page) oh, looks like somebody tried that as well... apt-torrent
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09:09<fuzzywuzz>but i think you could just add new torrent files to take care of that
09:09<fuzzywuzz>oh, i missed the apt-torrent part
09:09<fuzzywuzz>is it in the wiki?
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09:11<fuzzywuzz>another problem that was discussed was having many small files which create a relatively big overhead
09:11<fuzzywuzz>personally i think it is not a big problem, talking of kilobytes and given today's normal home internet speeds
09:12<BCMM>yeah, on https://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent it mentions apt-torrent
09:12<BCMM>and p2p stuff is all a bit overhead-y isn't it?
09:12<BCMM>what was the objective? total decentralisation or just to take some load of the debian mirrors?
09:12<BCMM>^off
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09:13<BCMM>if it's the latter, you'd think the obvious solution to updates is to just distribute metadata over existing infrastructure (apt update work same as ever)
09:13<BCMM>and make a magnet:// link or something part of the package metadata
09:13<BCMM>but that obviously is still a centralised system...
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09:15<fuzzywuzz>i think taking load off the servers was the main goal
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09:16<lord_rob>Hi! I'd like to make a simple DNLA server. What package should I install/configure?
09:17<fuzzywuzz>yes, magnet links may be better
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09:17<BCMM>fuzzywuzz: looks like most of the discussion and work was before magnet:// was popular/widely supported maybe?
09:18<fuzzywuzz>yes
09:18<BCMM>lord_rob: i used minidlna a while back; apparently it's called readymedia now
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09:18<BCMM>lord_rob: pretty barebones functionality, exactly what one wants out of headless media server if you ask me
09:19<fuzzywuzz>if you create a new magnet link for each package, it should be no trouble at all actually
09:19<lord_rob>okay will try that. thank you BCMM
09:19<itd>lord_rob: rygel would be a fancy gui variant.
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09:20<lord_rob>itd: you mean a gui for minidnla?
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09:21<BCMM>not sure rygel does have a gui
09:21<itd>judd: info rygel
09:22<judd>Package rygel (net, extra) in stretch/amd64: GNOME UPnP/DLNA services. Version: 0.32.1-3; Size: 1031.9k; Installed: 3133k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Rygel; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/rygel
09:22<itd>lord_rob: No, it is a different implementation.
09:22<BCMM>... how come debian has a screenshot for rygel, but rygel's own site doesn't? get it together, gnome!
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09:23<fuzzywuzz>it should be called apt-magnetic
09:23<BCMM>lord_rob: rygel is a more featureful media server from the gnome project. also does media rendering
09:24<lord_rob>nice
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09:28<lord_rob>actually it was already installed on my box ^^ dependencies forever ;-)
09:30<fuzzywuzz_>ah, nice
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09:32<lord_rob>does the program take a long time to start or does that mean it has crashed ?
09:33<lord_rob>5 minutes already ...
09:34<itd>lord_rob: What did you execute?
09:34<lord_rob>rygel (in a tty)
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09:34<fuzzywuzz_>takes a long time here as well
09:35<fuzzywuzz_>no cpu load though
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09:35<fuzzywuzz_>but it also says 'failed to load user configuration file'
09:37<grove>`ps | grep rygel` will probably tell you if it is still running (if it changes it's own name you'll have to substitute the new value),
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09:37<itd>lord_rob: You want to configure rygel or to run it?
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09:40<lord_rob>http://paste.debian.net/990028/
09:40<fuzzywuzz_>ah it is a shell program, nevermind
09:40<lord_rob>Here's the pastebin (translated from french so it's not exactly what you should see if you run the app in english)
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09:41<lord_rob>fuzzywuzz_: I don't think so, if it's made by the gnome project, but anyway starting it from the shell gives useful messages usually
09:44<fuzzywuzz_>mine says failed to get SCPD, which probably is an DLNA term i do not know
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09:44<fuzzywuzz_>i'll take it 'found no other DLNA device', which is true on my network
09:44<lord_rob>fuzzywuzz_: it is not a shell program https://screenshots.debian.net/package/rygel
09:45<itd>lord_rob: Do try to execute rygel-preferences.
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09:46<lord_rob>there's no such program
09:46<lord_rob>rygel preferences (as a parameter) does the same thing
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09:47<lord_rob>actually it's on another package
09:47<lord_rob>ok installing it
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09:52<fuzzywuzz_>nice to know such a package exists
09:52<fuzzywuzz_>maybe only the preferences have a gui?
09:53<fuzzywuzz_>jackd works in a similiar way with qjackctl
09:53<fuzzywuzz_>one is the server and the other the graphical interface
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09:57<fuzzywuzz_>the package description says you can also use gnome control center to configure rygel
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09:58<lord_rob>rygel-preferences allowed me to share my hdd content anyway
09:59<fuzzywuzz_>ok nice, happy cinemating
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09:59<fuzzywuzz_>i'd like to have dlna enabled devices as well ... maybe soon!
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10:13<BCMM>fuzzywuzz_: you don't have to have fancy smart tvs and speakers to have a dlna setup
10:13<BCMM>there's software for pretty much anything
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10:40<fuzzywuzz_>what could i do with my pc and my laptop and dlna?
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10:46<lord_rob>fuzzywuzz_: vlc
10:46<lord_rob>I've just tried
10:47<lord_rob>(it also works with smartphones)
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10:49<itd>fuzzywuzz_: AFAIK with DLNA you can define: server (provides content), renderer (convert content to output - e.g. sound), controller (instructs renderer to render content from a server)
10:49<lord_rob>but it seems dangerous, as it shares ALL videos from your server, not what you want
10:49<itd>fuzzywuzz_: For each role softare exists. You can decide which role your pc/laptop should have.
10:50<itd>*software
10:50<fuzzywuzz_>ah cool
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10:53<fuzzywuzz_>lord_rob you should be able to control that by setting the sharing folders accordingly
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10:54<itd>lord_rob: Additionally: no authentication as well as plaintext communication.
10:55<fuzzywuzz_>that does not sound too good
10:55<itd>judd info pulseaudio-dlna
10:55<judd>Package pulseaudio-dlna (sound, optional) in stretch/amd64: Stream audio to DLNA devices and Chromecasts. Version: 0.5.2-1; Size: 545.1k; Installed: 805k; Homepage: https://github.com/masmu/pulseaudio-dlna
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10:57<lord_rob>vlc has alternatives, like ftp of course. But my goal is to use a small Chinese Android TV box with VLC and to use it to read movies
10:58<lord_rob>and I doubt ftp is the idea ;)
10:58<lord_rob>I'd like to be able to read bluray ISO
10:58<lord_rob>(stream)
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11:00<fuzzywuzz_>you should be able to play it with vlc and stream it to the box i guess
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11:03<lord_rob>playing an ISO through DLNA is impossible, actually it's the only impossible solution ;)
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11:03<lord_rob>Better use Samba or NFS
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11:04<fuzzywuzz_>if dlna provides streams you could say that a stream is also content
11:04<lord_rob>(I've just Googled that)
11:04<lord_rob>sure but I'd like to have a bluray with menus and all
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11:05<lord_rob>which is supported by vlc 3.0 git
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11:06<fuzzywuzz_>i think there also is a vlc version for android
11:06<lord_rob>yes, stable and nightly
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11:06<lord_rob>https://nightlies.videolan.org/build/android-armv7/
11:07<fuzzywuzz_>not sure if android supports nfs though
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11:07<itd>lord_rob, fuzzywuzz_: Would you mind to continue your offtopic discussion elsewhere (e.g. #debian-offtopic ;))? :)
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11:09<fuzzywuzz_>no
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11:09<lord_rob>no but I have nothing more to say
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12:29<H4ndy>can I define and use variables in systemd configs?
12:30<H4ndy>like pathvar=/long/path/to/executabnle and re-use that in the [Service] description
12:30<grawity>no
12:30<grawity>environment variables can be defined, but you can't use that for the path to executable itself
12:30<grawity>though why would you
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12:31<grawity>systemd doesn't keep compatibility with 80-column punched cards anyway
12:31<H4ndy>:sadface:
12:31<grawity>many units use such variables for command-line options though
12:31<H4ndy>thanks
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12:44<cc>Hello. I am using XFCE on a laptop. I would like to configure my touchpad so that simultaneous press of left and right touchpad buttons would produce a "middle mouse click" ("wheel click") - I know something like that is possible on some laptops
12:44<grawity>it's an Xorg thing
12:44<cc>xfce mouse/touchpad GUI config menu doesn't have such option
12:44<cc>please tell me where or how to set this
12:45<grawity>are you using xserver-xorg-input-libinput, or -evdev?
12:45*cc checking
12:45<grawity>either way I think it ought to be settable via `xinput`
12:45<grawity>as in, xinput list-props <id>, xinput set-prop ...
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12:47<cc>I cant tell which driver it uses, here is a grep http://paste.debian.net/hidden/86551086/
12:48<grawity>looks like evdev+synaptics
12:48<grawity>I don't remember which one grabs physical buttons, I guess synaptics
12:48<grawity>either way, xinput list
12:49<cc>xinput list http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0d666d94/
12:49<grawity>xinput list-props "ELAN1200:00 04F3:3045 Touchpad"
12:49<cc>xinput list-props "ELAN1200:00 04F3:3045 Touchpad" http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b77a0326/
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12:51<grawity>xinput set-prop "ELAN1200:00 04F3:3045 Touchpad" "Synaptics Middle Button Timeout" 100
12:51<grawity>(that's milliseconds, pick whatever works)
12:52<grawity>according to `man 4 synaptics`, the xorg.conf equivalent is Option "EmulateMidButtonTime"
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12:54<grawity>expect it to change when libinput becomes the default
12:54<grawity>though, libinput actually dedicates the vertical center to middle-clicking anyway
12:54<grawity>without any "both buttons" emulation needed
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12:56<cc>I've just realized that this might be not entirely possible with this touchpad because it seems to have only one "physical" pressable button (that spans the entire touchpad area) and generates left or right mouse click even based on where on the touchpad the click was made
12:57<cc>so there are no two buttons to press to make emulation work
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12:59<Walex>cc: that can work
13:00<Walex>cc: if the pad can do "multitouch"
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13:01<Walex>cc: also note that in very recent Debian ("very recent Debian" usually is an oxymoron, but 9/Stretch qualifies) the default for pad handling is 'libinput' not 'synaptics'
13:04<cc>according to Synaptics Capabilities field, this model has two finger and three-finger detection
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13:06<cc>I did: synclient TapButton2=2
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13:06<cc>and now I have a middle click on two-finger tap
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13:07<cc>now only to find a way to make this stick permanently
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13:20<enon>On stretch I tried to install/run a game from main repos called "endless sky". it gives me an error about opengl 3.0 needed but I have only 2.1 I am running intel video from xorg is there an upgrade available for these driverers compatable with stretch?
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13:21<TobiX>enon: Please paste the output of "glxinfo | grep version" to paste.debian.net - I suspect your hardware does not support OpenGL 3.0
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13:26<enon>TobiX, https://paste.debian.net/990069
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13:28<TobiX>That looks quite old, what hardware is that?
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13:29<enon>Asus atom laptop with intel945 graphics
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13:31<blast007>Intel says that one only does 1.4, at least with the Windows drivers. :)
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13:32<enon>it figures it does freedroidrpg ok though
13:32<TobiX>Yeah, that's old, don't expect support for modern graphics APIs with that...
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13:33<TobiX>Freedroid RPG is older then that laptop!
13:33<enon>it is a cheeeeeap upgrade from my last laptop in both speed and memory
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13:34<itd>enon: https://github.com/endless-sky/endless-sky/issues/2562#issuecomment-322314114
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13:39<enon>looks like its time to see if the processor is decent or not
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13:49<enon>I can get it to at least startup. as I never played this before it will take some time to see how it performs Thanks
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14:25<Som>Where can I find a group about Parrot Sec OS?
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14:26<Blacker47>!parrot
14:26<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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14:27<Som>Thanks
14:27<Som>But is there a kind of support group for that?
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14:27<Som>It's based on debian, but it doesnt get root in live
14:27<SpeedyG>if there is, they'll know in #parrot
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14:28<Som>Thanks Speedy
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14:28<SpeedyG>thank you for mentioning parrot, it's been on my todo list for ages but I keep forgetting about it ;)
14:29<Som>I'm trying it first time today with a live USB, worth the time ;)
14:29<Som>Better and more options than Kali IMO
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14:30<SpeedyG>you know about backbox?
14:30<SpeedyG>thats on that same list for me ;)
14:30<Som>I have slightly heard it being mentioned in an article about pentesting os
14:31<Som>Do you have experience with vinagre remote viewer?
14:31<SpeedyG>nope
14:32<Som>Ah okay (y)
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15:47<tmanni>Hi, wayland related question...
15:47<tmanni>I work on a laptop with 2 display devices (Intel integrated to the i7 cpu and nvidia gforce) running debian testing
15:47<tmanni>my needs are: use the intel graphic for all the display and the nvidia only for opencl computation (through the proprietary driver)
15:47<tmanni>in a recent past, I use a config file for the x server to tell it what device to use for the display
15:47<tmanni>but now with wayland, how can I be sure it uses the correct the graphic device for the display ?
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15:58<murat>Heys Guys
15:58<jhutchins_wk>!wayland
15:58<dpkg>Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ #wayland on irc.freenode.net.
15:59<murat>im configuring my plank theme. i wanna add an offset from screen edge configuration to my plank preferences. Do u know how can i add or which code?
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16:00<murat>how can i add offset from screen edge code like cairo dock
16:00<murat>any offset code u know*
16:00<murat>?
16:00<jhutchins_wk>!plank
16:00<tmanni>jhutchins_wk: thanks
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16:01<jhutchins_wk>,v plank
16:01<judd>Package: plank on amd64 -- stretch: 0.11.3-2; buster: 0.11.4-1; sid: 0.11.4-1
16:01<murat>plank launcher i mean
16:02<murat>a simple docky based launcher
16:02<murat>iy must be a code to add preferences document to control the offset from screen edge
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16:07<itd>murat: Try the plank channel "Join #plank on Freenode (irc.freenode.net)." (See HACKING file.)
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16:22<mohur>hau install conky
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18:45<Yst>Does anyone here have any experience using a VNC client on Debian to connect to a remote Windows machine? My friend says their machine is accepting connections, but all I get are connection terminations on my end.
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18:49<CutMeOwnThroat>check if the port is open at all… may as well be a firewall on the windows machine
18:51<Yst>CutMeOwnThroat: They told me they were able to connect from another Windows machine on another network. So the port is open.
18:51<CutMeOwnThroat>maybe it's open to the windows machine on the other network
18:52<Yst>CutMeOwnThroat: What do you mean?
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18:58<CutMeOwnThroat>I mean that is the thing I would check at this point and it's easy enough to check. Should be port 590X for X the display number
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19:00<CutMeOwnThroat>and netcat hostname 590X should do
19:01<CutMeOwnThroat>next thing would be version incompatibilities
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19:05<Yst>The server is on port 3389; I'm not sure that other ports are used.
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19:05<Yst>Version incompatibilities? Joy. With my luck, that's probably the problem.
19:06<Yst>The server should send something to that effect as an error message. If the protocol allows it. Which it probably doesn't.
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19:08<CutMeOwnThroat>how do you try to connect to that port… I don't think vncviewer is made to connect to anything but 59XX
19:08<CutMeOwnThroat>at least I don't see any option for it
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19:13<Yst>CutMeOwnThroat: That might be the problem then. I'm'a go check the list of IANNA ports and se what they're running. THey might've given me bad instructions.
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