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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-10-11

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00:38<ancel>hi all, I am on a fresh install of debian stretch with no de, using i3 only. I would like to ask what do I need to install to view unicode
00:39<ancel>most unicode charachters show just weird numbers/symbols
00:39<ancel>thanks :)
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00:48<jm_>ancel: view them where?
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00:51<ancel>hi jm_ , in geany or libreoffice
00:54<jm_>ancel: ok to start with, are you running them in UTF-8 locale? what does «locale charmap» show in a terminal?
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00:55<ancel>locale charmap shows UTF-8
00:57<jm_>so that's OK, let me see if I have something to test with libreoffice myself
00:59<ancel>ok thanks
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01:06<jm_>it does show UTF-8 for me (tested with a text file, LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 date > foo.txt), fonts of interest that you may try with these font packages: fonts-dejavu-core fonts-dejavu-extra fonts-junicode fonts-liberation fonts-junicode unifont xfonts-100dpi-transcoded xfonts-75dpi-transcoded xfonts-efont-unicode
01:06<jm_>or just apt-cache search unicode font
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01:08<jm_>useful list is also mentioned here https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts
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01:09<ancel>ok i'll give it a try now, thanks very much
01:09<jm_>no problem
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01:12<ancel>i've installed them all but still no luck!
01:14<jm_>is there a way to download the file you are testing with from somewhere or is it some private data?
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01:18<nilu>hi there !
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03:28<hellyeah>this channel is dedicated to debian buster/sid right?
03:29<hellyeah>or is that debian-next ?
03:29<jc>debian-next for that
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04:59<annadane>qie, hi. do you have a debian support question?
05:00<qie>to whom I am peaking
05:00<petn-randall>qie: Have a look at the /topic.
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05:02<petn-randall>WYF: Do you have a Debian support question?
05:04<qie>hello
05:04<annadane>qie, hi. this is a support channel for debian stable. do you have a question?
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05:05<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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05:07<likcoras>Hi, I've got some code that works just fine in jessie but fails in stretch. https://paste.debian.net/990141/ likc.me works just fine on the browser and ssllabs doesn't report any misconfiguration, what am I doing wrong?
05:15<itd>likcoras: My best guess would be: https://stackoverflow.com/a/30925034
05:16<annadane>likcoras, itd, also check out the reply to that stack answer
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05:16<likcoras>Hm, but I don't depend on SNI server-side. It's just one cert with two SAN names.
05:17<likcoras>But it does seem to break, brilliant
05:18<likcoras>Hm, the SNI doesn't seem to be it. Is it because I don't support TLS below 1.2?
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05:19<likcoras>Did urllib drop support for 1.2 or something?
05:19<petn-randall>likcoras: Did you check if you have the python ssl modules installed? I'd guess they're only recommended, not required.
05:20<likcoras>Well, I can connect to eg. https://debian.org, so I assumed that wasn't the problem. How do I check?
05:20<likcoras>But >>> urlopen("https://debian.org") doesn't break like it does for my server.
05:21<likcoras>Does anyone else know of another server that only supports tls1.2 and above, so I can test?
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05:51<likcoras>So I did some further testing, even enabling TLS1/1.1 with mozilla's intermediate cipher list, it still does not work.
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05:52<Heatlister>ge
05:52<Heatlister>halo
05:52<petn-randall>hi Heatlister
05:52<likcoras>The only thing I can think of is ecc keys, could that be it?
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05:53<petn-randall>likcoras: Isn't there a way to tickle more debug info out of that script?
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05:53<likcoras>Which script? the urlopen()?
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05:54<petn-randall>likcoras: yes
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05:58<likcoras>petn-randall: I don't see how.
05:58<likcoras>Just read over docs, nothing of the sort
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05:59<likcoras>Oh wait, 2017-10-11 18:57:27: (connections-glue.c.200) SSL: 1 error:1417A0C1:SSL routines:tls_post_process_client_hello:no shared cipher
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06:01<likcoras>petn-randall: I'm starting to think that it could be the ECC key on the server. Do you know of any other servers that use ECC keys and not RSA?
06:02<petn-randall>likcoras: Looks like your handshake fails because your server is requiring cipher suites that the client doesn't support.
06:02<petn-randall>likcoras: I think you've set it up a tad too strict :)
06:02<likcoras>I'm using mozilla's intermediate though
06:02<likcoras>Not modern
06:03<petn-randall>likcoras: But your cert is on for an ECC key?
06:03<likcoras>petn-randall: Yeah, I think that might be it
06:03<petn-randall>s/on/only/
06:03<petn-randall>likcoras: That'll be it, then.
06:03<petn-randall>likcoras: Is this an internal service?
06:04<likcoras>petn-randall: Nah, I'm setting stuff up and experimenting for learning purposes
06:04<likcoras>Nothing critical, wouldn't be messing with ecc keys otherwise
06:04<likcoras>Weird thing is that it works perfectly on stretch
06:04<likcoras>jessie*
06:04<likcoras>but not on stretch
06:05<petn-randall>likcoras: I see, sounds fun. Just learned the other day that Outlook on Windows 7 only supports TLSv1.0, even though it could technically even support TLSv1.2.
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06:05<SUCK_MY_BALLS>卐 SUCK IT 卐
06:05<likcoras>petn-randall: But it's not common for stuff that already supports something to drop it for no apparent reason, is it?
06:06<likcoras>petn-randall: as far as I know, there haven't been any major security issues with ecc just yet, and most moderm browsers support it pretty well
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06:06<SUCK_MY_BALLS>petn-randall is on this network? and freenode too?
06:06<SUCK_MY_BALLS>whatever
06:06<SUCK_MY_BALLS>its too confusing
06:06<SUCK_MY_BALLS>i dont care who you are
06:07<SUCK_MY_BALLS>you can all SUCK MY BALLS
06:07<SUCK_MY_BALLS>so blow me moherfuckers
06:07<petn-randall>likcoras: I'd compare openssl versions, maybe you've installed a newer version on jessie for some reason?
06:07<SUCK_MY_BALLS>petn-randall: ARE YOU IGNORING ME?
06:07<SUCK_MY_BALLS>SOMEONE ANSWER ME
06:07<SUCK_MY_BALLS>IS
06:07<SUCK_MY_BALLS>MY
06:07<SUCK_MY_BALLS>CLIENT
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06:07<SUCK_MY_BALLS>NOT?
06:07<SUCK_MY_BALLS>WORKING?
06:07<petn-randall>!ops SUCK_MY_BALLS
06:07<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about a problem (see above)
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06:07<likcoras>Hm, it's 1.1.0f vs 1.0.1t on jessie
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06:08<petn-randall>babilen: thanks a bunch
06:08<babilen>np
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06:08<petn-randall>I had a hearty chuckle when the flood protection kicked in :)
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06:09<petn-randall>likcoras: I can't think of a reason it works in jessie but not in stretch. Unless you for some reason have some old ciphers in the server list that still work in jessie, but were removed in stretch.
06:09<petn-randall>(SSLv3?)
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06:10<likcoras>petn-randall: Of course not!
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06:10<likcoras>I guess I should submit a bug for now. The maintainer would probably know better.
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06:11<petn-randall>likcoras: Can you run sslscan against your server and share the results?
06:12<annadane>i think if something doesn't have an obvious solution you're probably better off in general submitting a bug as the chances of it being a bug are 50/50 anyway
06:12<annadane>after preliminary irc discussion
06:12<annadane>that said give it like, an hour, because randall has just mentioned a possible avenue of investigation
06:12<likcoras>petn-randall: will do, hold on one second.
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06:14<likcoras>petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/990161/
06:15<likcoras>lighttpd has sslv2/3 disabled by default, and I didn't enable them anywhere, so those are disabled. ssllabs agrees.
06:17<petn-randall>likcoras: Can you run 'openssl ciphers -v' on both affected clients?
06:17<petn-randall>likcoras: You can then check if any of those few ciphers are available there.
06:17<likcoras>Well, s_client worked
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06:18<likcoras>So openssl does support the ciphers listed
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06:21<lolol>Azul
06:22<lolol>how to get the directory from where a program has been started
06:22<lolol>in C ?
06:22<jm_>getcwd()
06:22<lolol>cause I need to have an absolute path from my program in order to load the resources correctly
06:23<lolol>getcwd only gets the current working directory
06:23<lolol>if you change the directory everything changes
06:23<lolol>I need a fixed path
06:23<lolol>cause obviously the user will load the program from any directory, and fopen will fail
06:24<jm_>current working directory is what you asked for: "how to get the directory from where a program has been started"
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06:24<lolol>where the program has been started, not the working directory of the terminal path
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06:25<itd>lolol: The folder that contains the binary of said program?
06:25<lolol>yes
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06:26<jamesmc>On Linux at least you can readlink("/proc/self/exe")
06:27<lolol>I thought proc changes with arch and versions?
06:28<lolol>I would rather want a stable solution over all Linux versions
06:28<lolol>and distros
06:28<themill>you use getcwd before you change the directory
06:28<lolol>what if the user launches the program from another directory
06:29<lolol>maybe I will just have a bash script to set the dir and launch the game
06:29<blast007>lolol: why are you needing the location of the program?
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06:29<jamesmc>Well, while it's true the /proc does have changes sometimes, /proc/self/exe will work on I think basically any Linux for, what, 20 years?
06:30<jamesmc>More, probably
06:30<lolol>@blast007 cause I need to locate the resources and shaders, sfx, vfx and more of the program
06:31<blast007>is the game being installed to the system, or just run from the build directory?
06:31<lolol>run
06:31<themill>There's a reason why the build system compiles in such information
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06:31<jamesmc>Probably you'd be better doing something like setting an environment variable to point to your content, maybe with a compiled-in default
06:31<blast007>if just run from the build directory, just require they run from the root of the source and assume relative paths
06:31<lolol>it's variable
06:32<jamesmc>Or create a parameter you can pass
06:32<lolol>Is this possible via bash?
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06:34<blast007>if installed, you can define the location of the resources as a define, so that the installed bin knows where to look (and then if that isn't set or doesn't work, it can fall back to other methods)
06:35<lolol>ⵉ ⵎⴰⵏⴰⴳⴻⴷ ⵜⵄ ⴷⵄ ⵉⵜ ⵡⵉⵜⵀ ⴱⴰⵙⵀ ⵎⴰⵜⴻ
06:35<lolol>sorry
06:35<lolol>I managed to do it with bash mate
06:35<lolol>#!/bin/bash \ cd "$(dirname "$0")" \ ./ⵣengine
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06:36<lolol>online solution of course
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06:37<lolol>Thanks people,see you
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06:43<jamesmc>...I just felt the average quality of software slightly decline
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07:45<xormor>can I play the file from http://www.slayradio.org (the SlayRadio playfile, is it *.mp3?) from the commandline interface in Debian (/bin/bash)?
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07:47<xormor>nvm, I already succeeded with 'lynx'.
07:48<xormor>killall -SIGKILL hitler
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07:49<xormor>I feel very "Homo Sovieticus" in the commandline. I'm using 'irssi' now.
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07:51<Blacker47>xormor, try mpv for that - but you may need a running pulseaudio for that.
07:52<xormor>Blacker47: there was something in "lynx" that ran under it and let me play the *.m3u file. But I will try mpv too. Out of curiosity.
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07:54<BCMM>mpv can use alsa just fine
07:54<xormor>Minix is quite "raw" compared to Debian. I use Debian for multimedia and Minix just for fun and kicks.
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07:59<BCMM>minix is essentially an educational operating system, right? not actually, uh, useful?
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08:02<xormor>BCMM: true.
08:03<xormor>BCMM: the first of the *.c files I read in Minix were boring. basically a kernel is just a housekeeper.
08:03<grawity>BCMM: they managed to cram it into Intel ME though
08:03<xormor>BCMM: I want to read and write exciting programs.
08:03<BCMM>grawity: i knew that ran a real OS on an ARM or something now, didn't know it was minix...
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08:07<Blacker47>!offtopic
08:07<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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08:10<sebras_>I'm puzzles as to why debian/testing is currently lacking some packages, e.g. radare2 here: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=radare2
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08:13<fuzzywuzz>i found a browser plugin that blocks ads and clicks them all, but i am not sure it is an good idea. what do you think?
08:14<blast007>sebras_: if you go to the package page and then click on "Developer Information (PTS)", it typically leads you to some information about why a package was removed
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08:15<sebras_>blast007: aha! I didn't know about this, that's really useful. :)
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08:16<blast007>(and the new package tracker, linked at the top of the PTS page, even includes some additional information like security issues)
08:16<Blacker47>sebras_, https://packages.qa.debian.org/r/radare2/news/20171008T043911Z.html
08:17<Blacker47>also the homepage for radare2 seems to be down - maybe unmaintained upstream any more?
08:18<sebras_>Blacker47: could be that is got hit by the people reading the hacker news article about it.
08:18<sebras_>blast007: yes, I see. this PTS page was useful and I have never noticed the link on the package page. excellent. :)
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08:43<Natureshadow>The package should be updated to follow the last version of Debian Policy (Standards-Version 4.1.0 instead of 4.1.1).
08:43<Natureshadow>mhmm...
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09:05<Aliveunlessdead>hello, I have a problem when installing mysql-server-5.5 on my VPS. I have installed mysql server on my servers many times, but I have not yet encountered this problem. I cannot install the package, because it thinks that I have version 10 and does not want me to downgrade to 5.5! When I sudo apt-get install -f, the process asks me to remove /var/lib/mysql/debian-*.flag, but removing the file did not help. What should I do? :-) Thanks.
09:06<Aliveunlessdead>Oh, it is Debian Jessie...
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09:08<blast007>!bat
09:08<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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09:12<Aliveunlessdead>OK. apt-get output: http://paste.debian.net/990198
09:13<Aliveunlessdead>apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/990199/
09:13<Aliveunlessdead>apt-cache policy without packages: http://paste.debian.net/990200/
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09:14<blast007>ah, I guess Jessie offered both mariadb and mysql. you probably already have mariadb installed.
09:15<blast007>is there a reason you specifically want mysql instead of mariadb?
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09:18<Aliveunlessdead>not really, I just wanted to install CMS system on one of hosted websites. I will check if I have mariadb installed. Anyway, it seems odd that it says I already have version 10 installed :-)
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09:22<blast007>mariadb replaces mysql, and it's version 10.0 in Jessie
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09:22<Aliveunlessdead>so, according to dpkg-query -f '${binary:Package}\n' -W , I have these: http://paste.debian.net/990203/ packages installed, amongst others. Now I understand the thing about version 10.
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09:28<Aliveunlessdead>blast007: do you know a default password for root user on mariadb? Is there any? Or is it resettable?
09:29<Aliveunlessdead>and I am going to need to get rid of the mysql-server-5.5 package from apt somehow, because it keeps apt-get to halt whenever trying to install anything else :/
09:30<blast007>it might not have one. if you run the mysql client as the system root user it might just log in.
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09:32<itd>Aliveunlessdead: I think you are supposed to run mysql_secure_installation https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/mysql_secure_installation/
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09:35<Aliveunlessdead>itd: unfortunately, bash: mysql_secure_installation: command not found :/
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09:36<Aliveunlessdead>and # mysql client cannot get to mysql: ERROR 2002, cannot connect to ... '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
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09:36<Aliveunlessdead>I would just remove & install again, but apt-get isn't working anymore...
09:36<itd>judd file mysql_secure_installation --release jessie
09:36<judd>Search for mysql_secure_installation in jessie/amd64: mysql-server-5.5: usr/bin/mysql_secure_installation; mariadb-server-10.0: usr/bin/mysql_secure_installation
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09:38<Aliveunlessdead>there is no such file in my /usr/bin folder. Is it possible that it got broken, somehow, stuck in between mariadb and mysql?
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09:42<Aliveunlessdead>Also, what should I do with this? My apt is stuck right here: http://paste.debian.net/990209/
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09:43<itd>Aliveunlessdead: Make sure mariadb-server is installed. The output of dpkg-query includes also packages deinstalled with config files present.
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09:46<murat>hey guys
09:46<Aliveunlessdead>itd: according to dpkg -l I have mariadb client, common listed with rc flag.
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09:46<murat>how can i open a gresource file in debian?
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09:47<Aliveunlessdead>itd: so it has been removed. How do I install it again, when my apt is stuck? http://paste.debian.net/990209/
09:47<itd>Aliveunlessdead: Try to remove mysql-server-5.5 and then install mariadb-server.
09:52<Aliveunlessdead>itd: I have tried that, apt asks me to run -f install and it starts all over again:/
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09:54<itd>Aliveunlessdead: Sorry, replace 'mysql-server-5.5' with 'mysql-server' in my last suggestion.
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09:57<murat>anyone knows how can i open a gresource file?
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09:58<itd>murat: You could try 'gresource'.
09:59<itd>judd: file bin/gresource
09:59<judd>Search for bin/gresource in stretch/amd64: libglib2.0-bin: usr/bin/gresource
09:59<itd>murat: Man page: https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/libglib2.0-bin/gresource.1.en.html
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10:03<Aliveunlessdead>itd: how come that worked? it seems my apt is unstuck now. I ran mysql_secure_installation successfully, but it asks me for current root password, which I do not know. I thought it was not set, so I didn't fill anything, but I get Access denied
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10:07<Aliveunlessdead>itd: It seems I have set the password in the past. I have tried and found out which one is it. THANK YOU for your help! ;-)
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10:15<itd>Aliveunlessdead: You asked apt to install a package. Which did not work (since it was unable to install a dependency - mysql-server-5.5).
10:15<itd>Aliveunlessdead: Since mysql-server-5.5 was not installed, trying to uninstall it did not help.
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10:17<itd>Aliveunlessdead: But telling apt that you do not want the package declaring a dependency on mysql-server-5.5 installed allowed apt to stop trying.
10:17<itd>Aliveunlessdead: Glad it worked. :)
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11:13<kingklash>hi
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11:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:12<bremner>do others have problems with html menus, eg https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=nullmailer in firefox-esr? for me they flicker up and then drop down again in some small fraction of a second.
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12:13<bremner>not sure if this is somehow related to i3wm, or just a firefox bug.
12:15<bremner>weirdly up and down arrows seem to work
12:15<cc>bremner which menu? the Suite: dropdown ?
12:16<bremner>cc: yeah, the "Suite" menu
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12:17<cc>works fine here (on newer firefox though)
12:18<somiaj>Seem to work fine here, firefox-esr on jessie
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12:18<bremner>yeah, I think it's pretty version sensitive. It used to work for me too.
12:18<somiaj>52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1 is the version I'm using
12:18<bremner>oh. OK, that sounds like a similar upstream version
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12:20<itd>(stretch: i3/firefox-esr; no issue)
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12:20<bremner>oh. Lucky me?
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12:23<bremner>even the hamburger menu is failing for me, in safe-mode
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12:31<Powersource[m]>so i've got apache2 2.4.10-something installed, the latest version is 2.4.10-(something+1). the latest version is 2.4.28. I get that debian wants to be stable but do you manually backport security patches into .10? Sounds very hacky
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12:32<Powersource[m]>the latest repo version vs latest official version
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12:55<jhutchins_wk>,v apache2
12:55<judd>Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u12; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u9; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.10-10+deb8u11; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u11; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u3; buster: 2.4.27-6; sid: 2.4.27-6
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12:56<jhutchins_wk>Powersource[m]: Remember that when you advance new code, there is the usual chance that you are exposing new bugs. Simply having the latest version is not the best route to security.
12:57<Powersource[m]>jhutchins_wk: yeah I know, but I'm guessing we're not using a completely unpatched 3 year old package?
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12:59<jhutchins_wk>Powersource[m]: Read the changelogs.
12:59<jhutchins_wk>Powersource[m]: As I recall, the web was pretty much the same three years ago as it is now.
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13:55<Powersource[m]>jhutchins_wk: I don't need any massive patch but these vulns are scary https://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_24.html
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13:56<jhutchins_wk>Powersource[m]: Why would you look at apache.org for the status of software in Debian?
13:57<jhutchins_wk>Powersource[m]: Debian documents it's vulnerabilities and patches.
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13:57<blast007>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/apache2
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13:59<Powersource[m]>blast007: thanks, more useful response
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14:10<durg>hi
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14:11<durg>i think there is a problem with the xpra package, there are paths in /etc/xpra/xpra.conf that do not allow normal users to run a xpra server
14:11<durg>they can be easily fixed, but still it is annoying
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14:13<durg>it has to do with -logfile and -configdir options of the xvfb=... line
14:13<durg>*with the
14:15<jhutchins_wk>durg: It is not usual for a "normal user" to run a server.
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14:15<jhutchins_wk>durg: servers sometimes start as root then switch to an unprivileged user, but they at least start as root.
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14:16<durg>yes i think it uses a wrapper
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14:17<durg>to start xorg at least
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14:21<durg>however i think that normal users should be able to user screen, and xpra is some kind of screen to attach and deattach X-applications
14:21<durg>*use screen
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14:32<guardian>I have a beginner question: do iptables rules persist accross reboots?
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14:35<annadane>i don't know if they do but i'd be very surprised if they didn't
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14:37<jhutchins_wk>guardian: Not by themselves. There are packaged scripts to save and restore them, or you can make them part of a start-up script.
14:38<jhutchins_wk>!iptables
14:38<dpkg>[iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>.
14:39<durg>they don't persist
14:39<durg>you can save the rules with iptables-save and restore them with iptables-restore
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14:39<durg>and remember there is also ip6tables
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14:41<guardian>thank you
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14:45<guardian>I found a tutorial that says one should use iptables -L INPUT -v -n to list blocked ips
14:45<guardian>but it quite doesn't work unless I remove the INPUT part: iptables -L -v -n
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14:53<jhutchins_wk>guardian: you should be suspicious about whether that tutorial applies to your system.
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14:54<guardian>in fact I'm suspicious about how well I understand fail2ban and iptables :)
14:54<guardian>speaking of fail2ban, it's blockip ips with REJECT here. is it better than DROP?
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14:55<jhutchins_wk>guardian: It's up to you. Reject tells the remote system that the port is available but blocked.
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14:55<jhutchins_wk>guardian: Is this for ssh?
14:56<guardian>I configured fail2ban for ssh, exim and dovecot
14:56<guardian>works well
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14:56<guardian>it's just I'm discovering the technicalities between DROP and REJECT
14:56<jhutchins_wk>guardian: First thing to do is to stop running ssh on 22.
14:56<guardian>http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~peterb/network/drop-vs-reject says REJECT's better
14:57<jhutchins_wk>guardian: iptables has added throttling and blocking features since fail2ban came out, you might want to look at those instead.
14:57<guardian>ok will do
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14:59<guardian>thanks
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14:59<jhutchins_wk>guardian: Note the "Update" section of that, I've experienced a DOS due to connection flooding.
15:00<jhutchins_wk>guardian: That was on a system that was allowing the connection (but rejecting the auth).
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15:36<nuovolnx>sorry, I upgrade to debian 9.2 but in /etc/debian_version is debian 9.1. Why?
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15:37<rudi_s>nuovolnx: Bug in the release process. You need stretch-updates in your apt/sources.list.
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15:38<durg>it's very amazing what iptables can do
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15:40<durg>the only thing i am missing is being able to control single processes, but this probably is by design?
15:41<durg>i use the owner match with a group-id instead
15:41<nuovolnx>rudi_s, what have I do?
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15:42<yoga>Hi.
15:42<yoga>Anyone knows how to install xfce4-windowck-plugin ? https://i.imgur.com/rs17XeR.png
15:43<rudi_s>nuovolnx: Search the deb stretch line in apt/sources.list, duplicate it and replace stretch with stretch-update. Then apt update; apt upgrade
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15:43<rudi_s>Sorry, it's stretch-updates (note the s)
15:43<rudi_s>!updates
15:43<dpkg>[updates] Ask me about <point release>, <proposed-updates>, <security>, <stretch-updates>, <jessie-updates>. See also <apticron>, <cron-apt>.
15:43<rudi_s>!stretch-updates
15:43<dpkg>stretch-updates is, like, a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <stretch/updates> which is for <security> updates.
15:43<rudi_s>nuovolnx: ^
15:43<nuovolnx>rudi_s, ok, now try it
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15:48<nuovolnx>rudi_s, this is my souces.list : https://pastebin.com/p4p40vHr
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15:50<rudi_s>nuovolnx: Duplicate line 7 and replace stretch with stretch-updates.
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15:57<nuovolnx>rudi_s, ok
15:58<nuovolnx>rudi_s, thank you very much
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16:00<marcus_________>anyone gotten battery level and supend working on a cherry trail tablet?
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16:10<rudi_s>np
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16:14<durg>I'd love to put debian onto my smartphone, but I found no experimental, unstable or similiar image for that
16:15<durg>i have to admit i am not completely aware how these devices boot
16:15<annadane>aren't smartphones locked down by default?
16:15<annadane>you'd probably need to jailbreak it
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16:16<durg>yes i guess so
16:17<annadane>hence the new librem thing
16:17<annadane>which won't be available for a while
16:17<annadane>i'm not too knowledgeable about phone installations
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17:17<tda>I was trying to press Ctrl-a + p (switch terminal in screen), but i pressed something else by mistake. Now screen is frozen and I can't attach to it on another session. Is that bug? or is freezing it a feature? How do I get it back?
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17:21<annadane>maybe "reset"? not sure.
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17:22<durg>have you tried reconnecting to it via screen -x instead of screen -r?
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17:33<tda>durg: thanks, that got it. Still curious how to unfreeze the other one though
17:33<alvarado>hoa
17:33<durg>depends on what you pressed probably
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17:42<itd>tda: ctrl+s maybe? (Try ctrl+q.)
17:44<annadane>oh, reset is for garbled text, it doesn't fix freezes i think
17:46<tda>itd: that was it. didn't know that command
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17:49<itd>tda: https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/12107 - if you want to read more.
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17:56<tda>thanks, ill read it tomorrow. time to call it a night.
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22:34<asdf>so
22:35<asdf>am i in a chat?
22:36<annadane>asdf, you're in a debian stable support chat, yes
22:36<asdf>how honor i am, ty
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22:37<asdf>i was try my parrot sec and im in here
22:38<annadane>!parrot
22:38<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
22:38<annadane>for whatever reason parrot has #debian as the default irc channel but it is not supported here
22:39<dvs>???
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22:43<asdf>im not looking for support now, just a little curiosity , hope not disturb u
22:43<annadane>ah no, that's quite all right
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23:58-!-saigkill is "Sascha Manns" on #debian #debian-gnome #debian-ubuntu #debian-welcome #packaging
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