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---Logopened Thu Oct 12 00:00:35 2017
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02:11<durg>hi
02:12<durg>is it necessary to remove all packages that debsecan reports as 'high urgency,remotely exploitable' to keep a system secure?
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02:49<tarzeau>does anyone in here use systemd-networkd ?
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02:50<annadane>!anyone
02:50<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
02:50<annadane>tarzeau, ^
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02:53<jm_>tarzeau is a long term #debian member, I'm pretty sure he knows that ;)
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02:56<annadane>my sincere apologies for doubting your sublime excellence
02:56<tarzeau>wow someone recognizes me, i've been idle like years, if not a decade...
02:57<tarzeau>i was really just curious (and popcon on systemd pkg isn't really helpful, as it's one monster of a software, trying to do many things), and i was curious about the networkd part, as well as others (aside the initd part)
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02:58<annadane>you have to use dpkg often or it gets lonely
02:59<jm_>I suppose long term even debian might switch over to systemd-networkd, but looking at unstable man page there are loads of options, but it lacks *(up|down) found in ifupdown
03:00<tarzeau>jm_: i fear, and hope not, including https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan
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03:04<jm_>I was curious how it would handle ifupdown but it seems it's not implemented yet
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03:45<w1>hello everyone
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03:46<w1>nobody?
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03:46<jm_>!ask
03:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:47<w1>Let's chat
03:47<w1>ok?
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03:48<w1>Let's char
03:48<grove>!chat
03:48<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
03:48<w1>ok?
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03:48<w1>fuck
03:48<w1>shit
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03:56<cc>bremner the flickery firefox controls may have to do with desktop compositor
03:56<cc>(somehow)
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03:57<cc>sometimes turning it off can fix things, and sometimes turning it *on* can fix things
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04:33<n4mu>Can anyone help with "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010" ? I've searched the Interweb and nothing, I've reinstalled debian-archive-keyring_2017.5_all.deb manually and still no luck (removed trusted.gpg, "lists"...)
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04:38<jm_>n4mu: does running «apt update» help? how about «apt-key update»?
04:39<n4mu>jm_: thanks
04:39<n4mu>Warning: 'apt-key update' is deprecated and should not be used anymore!
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04:39<n4mu>as for apt update, it keeps complaining with "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9D6D8F6BC857C906 NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553"
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04:46<jm_>n4mu: trying to check if I have that key here, but I have a meeting soon and then lunch so it will take a while before I can reply
04:47<jm_>right, got it, this key is provided by the debian-archive-keyring package, file /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-security-automatic.gpg
04:47<jm_>in jessie anyway
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04:47<n4mu>jm_: I have that key (btw, I'm running stretch, this is an "upgraded" system)
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04:48<n4mu>77aa3e4c1d4dfd19e8a64b930b4046b91f61762d /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-security-automatic.gpg (sha1sum)
04:49<jm_>n4mu: as in 'gpg -v --list-keys --keyid-format long --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-security-automatic.gpg' shows it OK?
04:49<n4mu>jm_: no worries if you have to go. It's possible that I should leave this machine for a now because it's starting to take up way to much time (and I'm losing patience as I can't find anything that works)
04:50<n4mu>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/01e0d4d1/
04:51<jm_>yeah looks OK same as here
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04:52<n4mu>I tested on another machine it's the same (also for stretch)
04:54<n4mu>I'm testing the other keys, they all seem to match
04:55<jm_>I straced apt-get update and it's executing gpgv a lot, maybe one could figure out from that what goes wrong
04:55<itd>n4mu: You could try "apt-get update -o Debug::Acquire::gpgv=True" to receive more gpg related output.
04:56<jm_>yeah that would be easier to read :)
04:57<n4mu>itd: itd https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d23a86d0/
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04:59<jm_>heh it changed in stretch, I see it calling gpgv directly, but for you it uses apt-key
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05:04<itd>n4mu: man apt-get: "/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/" "Storage area for state information in transit." - maybe remove files there and try again? :)
05:04<n4mu> /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is empty
05:05<n4mu>and permissions are: drwx------ 2 _apt root 6 Oct 12 08:56 partial
05:05<n4mu>: /
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05:07<n4mu>I'm starting to think it's the VM itself (bad host) that could be responisble for something. I just tried : iptables -L and I'
05:07<n4mu>I'm starting to think it's the VM itself (bad host) that could be responisble for something. I just tried : iptables -L and I'm getting modprobe: FATAL: Module ip_tables not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-3-amd64
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05:10<itd>n4mu: Same permissions here, but my apt does not touch /var/apt/lists/partial/
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05:12<n4mu>itd: I think there's something really weird going on
05:12<n4mu>W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/var/cache/apt/archives/partial/busybox_1%3a1.22.0-19+b3_amd64.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt
05:12<n4mu>(after install linux-image)
05:13<n4mu> /var/cache/apt has 700 perms.. It seems it should be 755
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05:16<n4mu>Okay. I need to go, and I will also have to file a ticket with VM provider. The kernel is provided by them, it doesn't match locally. I'm tired and will tell the VM owner to change provider, start from scratch or something.
05:16<n4mu>itd: and jm_ thanks a lot for your time. I will come back later after a break and stuff. Cheers,
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06:16<_kab>Anybody an idea how I can reliably check for an xtables lock? I tried it with `while [ 1 ]; do [ -f /run/xtables.lock ] && echo "Locked"; done` based on the little info on it I could find, but with no success.
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06:21<_kab>Looks like that one is only used in iptables 1.6.x. I also need to support Jessie which is using 1.4.x
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06:48<durg>why does it have a own lock anyway?
06:48<durg>*an own
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07:03<_kab>I guess they must have had issues with applications issuing commands at the same time?
07:04<_kab>I'll be using `iptables -w -L >/dev/null 2>&1` for now
07:04<_kab>Thankfully the list command also waits for the lock if -w is set
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07:42<guardian>hello
07:42<guardian>is the following correct? deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main
07:42<guardian>or should it be stretch-updates
07:43<jm_>https://www.debian.org/security/ shows you the entry
07:45<Naksu>stretch/updates is the security updates repo, stretch-updates is the stable-updates repo
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07:50<guardian>oh ok sorry and thank you for the patience :)
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09:20<n4mu>itd: and jm_ It turns out there were serious permission issues ... /etc/apt was 700 ! I will let the owner of this machine know. Thanks for your help and have a nice/night/etc.
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11:01<Exp93>Can anyone offer advice on how I can go about setting up an FTP server, or some sort of FTP access to a Stretch install? I was ideally hoping for something akin to Windows' Filezilla, where individual users were created with their own permissions? I've been trying to do it with vsftpd but the file access/ownership permissions are stonewalling me (the uploads are by a different account to the one that needs access to them,
11:01<Exp93>which is www-data).
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11:03<petn-randall>Exp93: What do you plan to use it for? There are much better alternatives to FTP.
11:05<Exp93>petn-randall, It's basically to give my users access to files for their web server, so they can upload/modify/delete/download, they administrate sites that run on Apache basically.
11:05<TobiX>I really don't know why people use ftp in this day and age... Handling access for www-data should be done with ACLs IMHO, which cannot be set via ftp.
11:06<grove>openssh-sftp-server is a much better alternative, and many clients offer an interface to sftp similar to ftp
11:06<petn-randall>Exp93: I'd use sftp for that, which makes it more secure and allows it to go through NAT. It's already built in your SSH server.
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11:12<Exp93>Is there a way I can overcome the problems of: 1) not giving shell access & 2) ensuring that www-data can still access the files I am somewhat familiar with sftp, that's how I access the system myself.
11:12<Exp93>petn-randall, grove, TobiX ^
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11:17<petn-randall>Exp93: Sure. Just install openssh-sftp-server and check the docs that come with it.
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11:23<TobiX>Is scponly still recommended or are there more modern tools nowadays?
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14:13<iKarith>Oh this is gonna be fun to detangle for a day or so. :)
14:14<iKarith>Those using sid on any machines, python 3.6 has finally dropped! :)
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16:12<petru>I've switched from kde to gnome, but the browser behaves like I'm on a new computer, how can I copy the cookies from kde to gnome? In ~/.config/google-chrome there's only the Default file
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16:14<petru>for some strange reason, everything works now, I needed to log in using the google account
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16:27<demo>hi
16:29<demo>no body here
16:29<demo>?
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16:30<annadane>demo, we're all here. just ask.
16:31<demo>oh , hi
16:31<demo>make sure I'm in the right place . is this chat for Mix -16 too
16:32<demo>MX 16 ?
16:33<annadane>demo, i'm not sure what that is, what is it?
16:33<demo>https://mxlinux.org/
16:34<annadane>ah, seems to be a linux distro. no, not the right place
16:34<dboles>!based on debian
16:34<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
16:34<demo>i JUST HIT MY HEX CHAT AND IT OPENED HERE
16:34<demo> ooops srry
16:34<annadane>that seems to be a common problem. that's their fault
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16:35<demo>aaahhh ok , further searching
16:35<dboles>good luck!
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16:36<demo>thanx
16:36<annadane>good grief. you'd think they know better. (not you, demo, i mean the maintainers of debian based distros)
16:38<demo>I' m not even sure how to do a proper search
16:38<demo>server list ?
16:39<annadane>doesn't seem to have a support channel on irc, i can try checking their official website
16:39<demo>OH I found it . will miracles never cease
16:39<demo> thanks so much
16:40<annadane>you could try asking their forum i suppose
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16:40<demo>C U
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16:42<Stefan_>Hi
16:42<Stefan_>Are tech support questions allowed in this channel?
16:43<dboles>that is what is is for
16:43<dboles>assuming you're a debian user!
16:44<Stefan_>Ah rite. I have a OpenVZ Debian VPS that I semi-borked by moving from stable to testing
16:44<Stefan_>Not production, just personal
16:44<annadane>Stefan_, #debian-next
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16:45<Stefan_>annadane, OK thank you
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20:02<baritar>I got a WiFi camera that saves via SMB to my Debian PC, and set it up with its own username and password, but due to umasks, I can't delete the files it creates without changing their permission each time, is there a better way to do this?
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20:03<somiaj>baritar: what permisions are they being set with?
20:03<baritar>I checked my system umask, and it's 022
20:04<somiaj>that is fine, that will make files 755
20:04<somiaj>though usually that is the dir mask, file mask you want 644
20:04<baritar>using getfacl, I'm seeing my account is rwx, but effective r-x
20:04<baritar>with a mask of r-x
20:04<somiaj>it isn't the umask it is something about the way the camera is writing the file to not make it writable.
20:04<somiaj>is it copying it from a 'read-only' file system as opposed to creating a new file.
20:05<somiaj>baritar: simple hack would be a cron job to change the permisions peridocially
20:05<baritar>I'm not certain, about the camera's internal workings, just got it
20:06<baritar>this isn't caused by my lack of write permissions?
20:06<somiaj>you have lack of write permissions?
20:06<somiaj>You may have to provide more details
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20:06<baritar>hmm actually, even with chmod 777 I can't remove these files
20:07<somiaj>who owns them? Are they on a read only file system? Look at the output of mount
20:07<baritar>they're owned by the user account I created for the camera
20:08<somiaj>well with chmod 777 they should be erasable by anyone, unless you are on a read only file system.
20:09<baritar>I just sudo rm one of them and it erased fine, is that consistent with if there is a file system issue?
20:10<somiaj>no even root can't erase things from a read only file system.
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20:10<somiaj>Are you sure the chmod 777 took place, did you look at the resulting permisions?
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20:10<somiaj>almost sounds like you need to set up a group and work with group permisions on these files if they are owned by a different user
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20:11<baritar>oh wait, I just read that deleting files is controlled by the permissions of the directory
20:11<baritar>so I just changed the directory to 777 and I could delete the file fine with my own account
20:12<baritar>but this camera is creating a new directory for each day and hour I think
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20:12<baritar>how can I make it so directories created by it have permissions that enable me to delete with sudo?
20:13<baritar>I already have the camera and my own user account in the same group, which is called "user"
20:14<baritar>this is the output of getfacl for that: group::rwx #effective:r-x mask::r-x
20:14<baritar>I'm a little confused on where that mask is coming from and how to get rid of it
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20:15<timytron>Olá
20:16<timytron>Hi
20:16<timytron>Hellow Darkness my old friend!!!
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20:18<somiaj>baritar: oh looks like you are talking about acl's vs reagular permissions. Be careful. What does ls -l of the files give?
20:20<baritar>this is an ls -l of the files: -rwxrwxr--+ 1 Camera users 9420800 Oct 12 19:20 20171012_171937D.mp4
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20:21<somiaj>baritar: according to that, anyone in the users group should be able to delete that file.
20:21<somiaj>what is the output of mount, just the line that pertains to the file system those files are on
20:21<baritar>but this is the ls -l of the folder that contains those files: drwxr-s--x+ 2 Camera users 4096 Oct 12 19:19 17
20:22<somiaj>baritar: ahh that is the problem, chmod 1775 /path/to/that/dir
20:22<baritar>and when I chmod'd another folder like that one I could delete the files inside
20:22<somiaj>the gorup needs to also be able ot write to that directory
20:22<somiaj>or chmod g+w /path/to/dir
20:22<baritar>but the trouble is the camera is creating these folders
20:22<baritar>so I'd have to do that to each one
20:22<somiaj>change the mask to 002
20:22<somiaj>for those dirs
20:23<baritar>how do I change the mask for the camera that's writing folders via SMB so that new folders are 002?
20:24<baritar>everything I see on Google says to set things like .bashrc files for that user so when they login it automatically applies
20:24<baritar>does that work in this situation though?
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20:25<somiaj>baritar: what is the permisions of the directory that camera is making those dirs in
20:26<baritar>drwxrws--x+ 3 Camera users 4096 Oct 12 18:40 Recordings
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20:27<somiaj>there should be a way to have new directoires in that fold inherit the permsions, but I'm a bit fuzzy on the details.
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20:28<somiaj>I did find this https://askubuntu.com/questions/44534/how-to-set-umask-for-a-specific-folder
20:29<somiaj>you could probably put umask 002 in the ~/.profile of the camera user
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21:45<banana>hi there
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22:18<iKarith>lol debdate
22:18<iKarith>If ever there was a candidate for Essential: yes ...
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22:42<annadane>!zh
22:42<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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