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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-10-31

---Logopened Tue Oct 31 00:00:02 2017
00:03<jade__2>switching to postgres fixed it
00:03<jade__2>"fixed"
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00:17<jade__2>I dont think that worked
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01:13<begriffs>I'm looking for a basic debian-compatible laser printer with excellent support for postscript. Anybody have suggestions of brands/models? (hope the question is appropriate for this channel)
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02:00<rjsalts>begriffs: look at http://www.openprinting.org/printers, they have how well cups is supported by various printers
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02:11<begriffs>rjsalts: thanks for the response. I'll check that out. So CUPS support is what I'm looking for rather than postscript?
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02:13<rjsalts>begriffs: postscript is the printer technology, cups can support a generic postscript printer without much drama
02:14<rjsalts>begriffs: but I think you might lose some features, like collation, automatically figuring out paper sizes/trays/etc and other such things if you use the "Generic Postscript Printer" option
02:15<rjsalts>begriffs: and CUPS can also support non-postscript printers if a driver has been written for a specific model
02:16<rjsalts>begriffs: and many printers support other common printer control languages, like pcl4
02:17<begriffs>rjsalts: are those languages better in certain ways?
02:17<themill>My impression is that picking either a PS- or PDF- speaking printer is best
02:18<themill>everything else is going to be converting from PS to some other language along the way, with potential losses in that conversion
02:19<rjsalts>the pcl style controls were originally for hp inkjets, I think it's not as full featured as PS
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02:24<rjsalts>http://forum.support.xerox.com/t5/Printing/General-best-practices-PCL-vs-Postscript-Bidirectional/td-p/67669 seems to be a good answer, and not specific to Xerox
02:28<begriffs>Are there certain well known minimalist printers that speak PS or PDF? Old models with a good reputation? (Like the IBM Model M keyboard of printer)
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02:33<rjsalts>begriffs: hp have traditionally had a good reputation for *nix printing
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05:16<kinlo>is there a way to get a list of all packages installed on my machine that are not available in the current apt sources? (that cannot be reinstalled as there simply is not a package available to apt right now?)
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05:19<gquere>hello. I wanted to edit this page https://wiki.debian.org/NFSServerSetup to remove the dangerous 'no_root_squash' option but my account creation has been rejected
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06:07<rob_debian>Hi all ! I installed Debian Stretch 9.2.1 on an old HP notebook, and for a while, the installation remains stable, with all applications running and all Debian devices okay.
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06:07<rob_debian>After some time, parts of the MATE graphical environment are frozen, and you can not write an email, or fill in some field on youtube or any other site.
06:07<rob_debian>However, the command 'dmesg' does not bring any messages in red status.
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06:07<rob_debian>The temperature of this computer reaches 82 ° C and it seems that in many instances the freezing of the functions of the graphical environment coincides with the increase in temperature.
06:07<rob_debian>Please, what could be happening?
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06:14<jelly>rob_debian: sounds like overheating
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06:15<rob_debian>Hi jelly, nice to meet you here !:) well, that's what I suspected, jelly.
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06:17<rob_debian>at first, the freezing of some screen functions were due to missing non-free firmware problem, but the problem continued after I made this install of these components
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06:18<lordievader>82 degrees is quite high, maybe you should see if you can clean the fans.
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06:19<rob_debian>I see, lordievader, probably it will be needed. Thank you very much, jelly and lordievader, for information and Great Support !
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06:23<jelly>rob_debian: do you have working fan sensors, can you track fan speed?
06:24<rob_debian>just use 'inxi -c1 -F' and 'hddtemp /dev/sda' to check te increase of temperature, jelly. how can I proceed in this case ?
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06:25<lordievader>I think jelly is talking about lm_sensors, i.e. the `sensors` command.
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06:32<rob_debian>oh, I see, lordievader and jelly, really have forgotten about this resource. Thank you !
06:33<rob_debian>Thanks for information and Great Support, jelly and lordievader. See you soon ! :)
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07:31<adhawkins>Any NFS experts around? Very recently (about 12 hours ago) clients using an NFS mounted directory have started receiving 'no more locks' when trying to lock a file on the locally mounted NFS directory.
07:31<adhawkins>Any ideas how I can debug this?
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07:45<at0m>adhawkins: not sure. there's a "locks / nolocks" part in man nfs, though. can depend on what you're mounting, from what i read there
07:46<at0m>*lock / nolock
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07:53<treaki>hi
07:54<treaki>i am trying to follow the QEMU networking with VDE guide at https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU
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07:54<treaki>its debian 9, installed last three days ago, quite bare, but the problem is that it isnt working as written in the wiki
07:54<treaki>https://paste.debian.net/993561/
07:55<treaki>thanks for any help in advance
07:57<duclicsic>treaki: in your interfaces file you've called the interface "mytap"
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07:57<duclicsic>"iface mytap inet static"
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08:04<adhawkins>at0m: Thanks, will take a look.
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08:08<adhawkins>at0m: 'mount' for the filesystem on the client shows 'local_lock=none', which suggests all locks are considered not local.
08:08<adhawkins>None of this has changed in an age, so I'm not sure why it's only recently started failing.
08:08<adhawkins>What is required on the server side for locking?
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08:10<zorro>https://pastebin.com/raw/bXzRN8hY
08:11<zorro>can you help me with apt-get issue?
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08:13<treaki>duclicsic, what really, thought i changed that, mom...
08:14<treaki>duclicsic, ah, got 2 missed one of 3, lookes like i havent slept good last night...
08:14<treaki>thanks
08:21<zorro>omg i totaly fuckup my apt :(
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08:24<annadane>!bat
08:24<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
08:24<annadane>zorro, ^
08:24<annadane>that being said, it looks like you have a frankendebian
08:24<annadane>!tell zorro about frankendebian
08:26<zorro>annadane: https://pastebin.com/raw/FUpQ9Nah
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08:27<annadane>zorro, you forgot "apt-cache policy"
08:27<zorro>probably by mistake I forgot to upgrade app from old stable to stable
08:27<zorro>https://pastebin.com/raw/pybuPhzw
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08:33<annadane>i mean it's clearly programs you have which are causing dependency conflicts
08:34<annadane>the thing to do is try installing them as you have done and apt will tell you the conflicts as it has done and you can figure out what's causing the problems, and considering you're not using testing or sid but stretch with other repos, you probably need to remove packages that are in the other repos
08:34<annadane>just a guess
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08:35<annadane>also, you have "wheezy-backports" with debian stretch
08:35<annadane>so... yeah
08:36<annadane>my advice? probably nuke it and start over after backing up your files, especially as gcc itself is affected, but maybe wait for other opinions
08:36<treaki>now where that is working ive got the next problem: https://paste.debian.net/993569/
08:36<treaki>its just a flapping state connection...
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08:36<treaki>any idea how to resove that
08:37<treaki>ive got a debian running on kvm on a debian and i want a stable virtual connection using vde between them...
08:37<treaki>thanks in advance
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08:48<luv>anyone know wan attack
08:48<luv>how 2 do that
08:48<luv>?
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08:49<treaki>???
08:49<treaki>what was that?
08:49<scapinelli_>lol
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09:04<mainlyvoid>anyone curious to assist in figuring out an odd dpkg permissions issue? dpkg can happily unpack the deb file and the spawned subprocess then fails due to permissions, it claims, despite a stat preceding it shows 0755 permissions .....
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09:04<annadane>mainlyvoid, output please - paste.debian.net
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09:06<mainlyvoid>annadane, paste.debian.net/993570
09:07<mainlyvoid>line 1 happily shows 0755
09:07<mainlyvoid>line 11 however ...
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09:08<mainlyvoid>command run to get output: strace -f dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/telegraf_1.4.3-1_amd64.deb
09:09<mainlyvoid>which package I try appears quite irrelevant, so far ...
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09:10<Clint_>So after the clock was turned back last weekend (DST) my computer still reported the old time (one hour late). Checked timezone info, and switched to ntp for time syncing. Now I'm off by 2 hours, and my computer thinks it's now 15:11 UTC.. http://paste.debian.net/993572/
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09:12<Clint_>It's funny, but it's also driving me insane now ;) and I don't have a clue as to what to do next. If someone could give me a pointer would be great. I have already checked 10 times that UTC at the moment is really 13:22 =)
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09:13<mainlyvoid>Clint_, cat /etc/timezone shows correct location?
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09:13<Clint_>Yes, same as in the status I posted: Europe/Amsterdam
09:14<Clint_>It really looks like timezone info is correct, but UTC is wrong for some reason. The correction of UTC+1 is fine for my timezone
09:15<mainlyvoid>if your clock is too far out, ntp won't drag it back to where it should be, in case you misconfigured something ...
09:15<mainlyvoid>did you attempt to set with ntpdate?
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09:16<mainlyvoid>I tend to fix that kind of problem by 1/ shut down ntp service 2/ set clock with ntpdate 3/ startup not service again
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09:17<Clint_>I tried that before, but I have the ntp package but no ntpdate. I used a different command for this before, something like ntpdq. Let me check and try again
09:18<mainlyvoid>annadane, any thoughts? it's been wrecking my head for a few days now ... it is most certainly not a basic permissions issue as dpkg is most certainly able to create the tmp.ci directory, and unpack files inside it, and then claims it can't read them again ...
09:18<mainlyvoid>Clint_, ntpq?
09:18<annadane>mainlyvoid, afraid i'm pretty clueless on that one
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09:19<mainlyvoid>annadane, yeah, despite 20+ years as sysadmin, I'm stumped...
09:19<annadane>just to clarify the situation, what are you trying to do?
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09:20<mainlyvoid>annadane, I'm getting that error on apt upgrade's, installs, attempting to remove a package...
09:20<willemb>Hi. it looks like cpuaccounting doesn't work on jessie with linux 3.16. is that right?
09:20<willemb>i install a backports kernel and everything changes
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09:20<annadane>!doesn't work
09:20<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
09:21<mainlyvoid>not been in here for years, and I'm liking the additions .......
09:23<willemb>systemctl set-property php5-fpm.service CPUQuota=10% has no effect
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09:23<mainlyvoid>annadane, think it suitable for bug report? unsure if this is dpkg, zfs, or something entirely different ...
09:23<willemb>boot into backports kernel, the processes are throttled as expected
09:23<annadane>mainlyvoid, well, i have no idea if it's actually a bug or whether it's something you can trace and subsequently fix
09:24<annadane>so my general answer is "no"
09:25<mainlyvoid>annadane, /var/lib/dpkg permissions set to 0777 for that test, that is how desperate I am getting .. :)
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09:25<annadane>mainlyvoid, if no one here has enough knowledge to answer your question you can always try debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:26<annadane>or stackexchange or the debian forums or...
09:26<mainlyvoid>not sure I am that masochistic ..
09:26<annadane>though i know debian-user is a high volume mailing list so higher chances of visibility
09:28<mainlyvoid>debian-user could be potential, stack exchange? aye carumba....
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09:29<annadane>mainlyvoid, i don't know if you saw but you did get an answer in #debian-apt
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09:29<mainlyvoid>oohhh ...
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09:33<Clint_>mainlyvoid, ntpq indeed. I couldn't query the servers I'm using due to a "read: Connection refused", but that was fixed with a dpk-reconfigure ntp. Now I'm looking for a way to do a force sync as you mentioned, as I only saw this for the ntp command (which I don't have)
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09:36<pipedream>/WIN 29
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09:47<mainlyvoid>Clint_, any joy?
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09:48<Clint_>mainlyvoid, well I'm trying a ntpd -q which has been solliciting a lot of servers for 10 minutes, so I guess I'm not getting a connection. But I'm just waiting to see if I get an error in the end
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09:53<willemb>see what good it did to properly describe what 'it does not work' meant?
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09:56<zorro>annadane: i done it
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09:56<zorro>what is safe way to upgrade?
09:57<zorro>i last time miss sources .d
09:57<zorro>and that was my mistake -_-
09:57<zorro>I mean /etc/apt/sources.list.d
09:57<zorro>I only updated /etc/apt/sources.list
09:58<annadane>zorro, upgrade from what to what?
09:59<zorro>https://pastebin.com/raw/7WApJR7Q
09:59<zorro>from wheezy to stretch
09:59<zorro>lucky I had snapshot of server before distro upgrade :)
09:59<annadane>wheezy > jessie > stretch
09:59<zorro>maybe that was my mistake too
10:00<zorro>regarding my paste url ^
10:00<zorro>for file in $(grep -l wheezy -R *);do sed -i 's/wheezy/jeesie/g' $file;done
10:00<zorro>will be ok?
10:00<zorro>maybe without trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-wheezy-automatic.gpg :D
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10:00<korpi>selamun aleykum
10:00<bremner>you have so many sources files that editing them by hand is a burden?
10:00<annadane>so generally just sources list > change wheezy to jessie > apt update > apt upgrade > apt dist-upgrade > change jessie to stretch > apt update > apt upgrade > apt dist-upgrade, but read the stretch release notes
10:00<korpi>amina koyum ya bekley'n
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10:01<zorro>annadane: ok
10:01<annadane>https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes
10:01<zorro>bremner: that way is easy to do some typo etc
10:02<zorro>for file in $(grep -l wheezy -R * | grep list$);do sed -i 's/wheezy/jeesie/g' $file;done
10:02<zorro>will be fine
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10:02<bremner>you just showed that your approach is easy to make typoos as well.
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10:03<zorro>hehe
10:04<zorro>indeed
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10:05<annadane>zorro, and obviously don't follow instructions blindly though i guess in the case of a double upgrade there's only so much you can control
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10:05<annadane>whatever apt removes you can reinstall later i suppose
10:05<annadane>also, reboot after dist-upgrades etc, "needrestart" package may come in handy
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10:06<zorro>ok i will at first step update to jessie
10:06<zorro># cat /etc/debian_version
10:06<zorro>7.11
10:07<zorro>but this time i will do snapshot too :P
10:08<zorro>annadane: thanks for help!
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10:10<annadane>so yeah when you go jessie > stretch there's https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
10:10<annadane>assuming amd64
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10:11<annadane>wheezy > jessie shouldn't cause issues as this is a whole release behind and it's "already been done" so to speak
10:11<annadane>(and in any event transitions between stable releases are meant to be reliable)
10:13<annadane>(if you don't feel like reading that long page you can *probably* just apt update upgrade dist-upgrade but y'know, doesn't hurt)
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10:14<annadane>if you have snapshots especially you can be more belligerant about it
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10:17<ach>INTERNET IS USELESS
10:18<bremner>right back at ya
10:19<annadane>i would offer to help but i fear by encouraging internet use i'm enabling addiction
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10:36<paranoid>how does one get conflicting symlinks?
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10:37<annadane>paranoid, in general or do you have a specific problem?
10:38<paranoid>in general
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10:54<ach>paranoid is a lie
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10:59<user4582>Hi..I need some help..debian 9 openbox, lightdm and nvidia 950m..I.screwed up updates and it.wont.boot..now I'm on phone...to make a cleanup.what should I.install? Nvidia-driver and remove xorg+nouveau? Thanks
11:01<user4582>Lightdm freezes with black screen not responding to alt f1 and inputs..now have xorg
11:01<zorro>how can i force ssh to generate config?
11:01<zorro>because i have old and it cant restart
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11:02<zorro>i have package in /var/cache/apt/archives
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11:02<retrospectacus>zorro: rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* && dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
11:03<user4582>30$ bitcoin to who helps me fixing my machine..trying since 12 hours in vain
11:03<paranoid>my internet went down, was there a answer to what are conflicting symlinks?
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11:04<retrospectacus>paranoid: there is broken symlinks. The target doesn't exist. Not sure about "conflicting".
11:04<retrospectacus>zorro: or you may need to fix files in /etc/ssh/
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11:05<zorro>[root@digitalocean ~]# dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
11:05<zorro>/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: openssh-server is broken or not fully installed
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11:05<paranoid>well "conflicting symlinks" is used in the man page so that's where the question comes from
11:05<retrospectacus>zorro: apt-get -f install # http://paste.debian.net
11:06<retrospectacus>paranoid: what man page
11:06<zorro>https://pastebin.com/raw/YGWiu7x6
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11:08<zorro>omg everything looks like is fuckup after upgrading from jessie to stretch :(
11:09<zorro>https://pastebin.com/raw/JbJVLKSs mysql too
11:09<user4582>Lightdm starts at boot but I'm stuck with black screen and _ not blinking..system frozen..help please 😕
11:10<retrospectacus>zorro: are you following (did you follow) Digital Ocean's upgrade instructions?
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11:11<zorro>nope
11:11<zorro>anyway I rebooted it and ssh works
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11:11<zorro>but fail2ban and mysql dont
11:11<paranoid>man page for systemctl, under the -f flag
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11:11<zorro>last errors was because of old kernel
11:12<ira0>is there a curated list of URL for apt/sources.list configs that use https instead of http?
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11:15<grove>paranoid: There "conflictin symlinks" basically just means symlinks that tells differently about whether/when the unit should run
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11:15<grove>s/conflictin/conflicting/
11:15<subhi1>hi
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11:16<ach>perfect
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11:22<user4582>Bump..I tried installing nvidia-driver non free now..same freeze..don't even know what to.do.now.please help
11:23<user4582>Or its something about lightdm I'm missing..
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11:27<zorro>omg i cant upgrade kernel
11:27<zorro>i have new version
11:27<zorro>/boot/grub/menu.lst
11:27<zorro>looks ok but still boot with old
11:28<retrospectacus>zorro: as I hinted, digital ocean needs different procedures to upgrade. See e.g. https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-update-a-digitalocean-server-s-kernel
11:30<ira0>s there a curated list someone can share of URLs for apt/sources.list configs that use https instead of http?
11:32<retrospectacus>ira0: did you try adding "s" to yours' lines. This often works. If not, try other mirrors
11:32<ira0>I did
11:32<ira0>got a bunch of ssl errors
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11:33<ira0>is there a '[proper' sources list for jessie that you can share?
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11:35<sup>Hi, how do I debug system not starting? Lightdm service start but freezes the screen with white cursor.and.black screen..cant fix it..thanks..sorry I'm on phone
11:36<retrospectacus>ira0: Note that using https to encrypt your download of publicly available packages that everyone already knows about, does not add any particular benefit. Package signatures are far more important.
11:36<ira0>the concern is http injection
11:37<ira0>https for integrity is just as important
11:37<ira0>does anyone use that or no?
11:38<ach>no
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11:38<retrospectacus>the signatures handle that kind of concern. Checksums handle integrity
11:38<sup>I cant hit ctr alt f2 as its freezed..can reboot into recovery mode end enter root shell but no logs are helpful or I don't know what to look for..not even sure where is.the issue if nvidia, lightdm or configs..please help its my work laptop..
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11:39<retrospectacus>ira0: you can put https if the server supports it (you do need apt-transport-https installed but I think this is usually already?)
11:39<ach>^^
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11:39<sup>If a kind soul wants 30$ btc to help me sent a pm I'm serius..offering btc since you ignoring me
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11:45<ira0>retro - is there a list on debian.com that has https instead of the http?
11:45<ira0>that I am missing
11:45<ira0>or it simply does not exist?
11:46<ira0>no problem with it not existing... just thought I was missing it in plain sight, I am getting the sense that it is simply not the norm
11:47<retrospectacus>I don't think so. It seems not to be a big concern. You could write a script to detect https-enabled mirrors. Sounds fun
11:47<ira0>I am too noob for that
11:47<ira0>thanks for your help :-)
11:47<ira0>have a good day.
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12:06<sup>Nobody?
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12:08<retrospectacus>ira0: for mirror in $(wget -qO- https://www.debian.org/mirror/list | grep 'debian/</a>' | cut -d'"' -f6); do https_mirror=https${mirror#http}; wget -q --spider "$https_mirror" && echo "$https_mirror" ;done
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12:11<awal1>ira0, deb https://deb.debian.org stable main ... should work just fine
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12:13<awal1>or deb ://ftp.us.debian.org/debian main ...
12:13<awal1>deb https://deb.debian.org/debian stable main ..
12:14<awal1>deb ://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main ...
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12:15<awal1>deb https://ftp.us.debian.org/debian main ...
12:15<awal1>excuses
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12:15<awal1>just examples
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12:18<sup>Can somebody please help me too? Thanks
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12:21<awal1>sup, use startx for log in X , then debug quietly
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12:22<awal1>or install another display manager
12:22<awal1>isuggest wdm
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12:23<awal1>wich desktop environment/window manager?
12:25<awal1>nvm, i missed earlier message
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12:27<awal1>and please , keep your stupid $ offer out of this channel next time
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12:54<sup>Wow such kindness such community. I cant debug it when running as it freezes. Also time.is.money you should.know
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13:48<novato>hola
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13:51<novato>I am a newbie I want to learn
13:52<awal1>dpkg: ask
13:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:55<ach>Ram 1015 MB
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13:58<novato>I have a problem in aserme root
13:59<bremner>what is aserme ?
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13:59<awal1>!es
13:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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14:00<awal1>he wanted to say : acerme=log in as root
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14:01<novato>ok
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14:02<awal1>novato, you created a root account during installation?
14:03<bremner>they left
14:03<awal1>i see
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14:15<r0g>sup
14:16<murilo>Hi every one, i installed debian 9 in my laptop but after install the video drive (bumblebee nvidia) my laptop not shutdown any more, just turn off xfce's interface and show me the message "reboot: system halted", any one is knows what happened?
14:17<sup>I have a problem with lightdm, I'm running debian version 9. When I try to boot I get the follwing output: screen black with cursor _ system unresponsive. I expected it to do: boot, show login prompt and just work.
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14:17<sup>Now.can you help me? Thanks.
14:18<sup>System is laptop with nvidia gtx 950m and free drivers installed. Used to work.before updates
14:18<bremner>sup: booting into rescue mode works?
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14:19<sup>Yes I can boot into root console with rescue mode..not into desktop..thanks
14:20<r0g>put the live cd / usb
14:20<bremner>I guess the next thing to try would a systemd debug shell; https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/
14:20<bremner>look for "Early Debug Shell"
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14:27<sup>Damn sorry on phone..will try early debug shell now
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14:31<murilo> i'm not in front my laptop right now , but tonight i will try in rescue mode, another thing is bother me is the touchpad of laptop dosen't work, any idea?
14:32<murilo>thank a lot for support
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14:41<sup>Tried to boot with the early console 'systemd.debug-shell' but even in that rootshell the system just.boots to.the.black screen..and then.its.completely fronzen..needs hard.reboot
14:41<sup>What could i do?
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14:43<sup>I mean I cant stop the.boot process in that shell so it staights goes to lightdm and blackscreen after a few.seconds..I see all [ok] started...
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14:50<retrospectacus>You can boot a live CD or gparted or whatever, mount and fix
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14:54<bremner>he already can boot a rescue shell
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14:54<bremner>s/he/they/
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14:56<sup>Yes I have one ubuntu liveusb around..but thing is I don't know what to fix..on rescue mode I'm able to login as root only console but don't know.what to do..like try nvidia nonfree drivers? Nvidia-driver from apt...sorry but very tired and sad
14:56<sup>I'm an 'he' 😃
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14:58<sup>At root shell, rescue mode, I'm.checking journalctl but see no hints this time..it.seems an issue with video drivers from google
14:59<Brigo>video drivers from google??
14:59<Brigo>sup, if journalctl isn't giving away any clues, try Xorg.log
15:00<Brigo>i mean /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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15:05<sup>I meant googling 'lightdm black screen freeze' seems to lead to graphics driver issues..maybe its that..xorg log is without clues too
15:09<sup>I wish there was a way to resinstall debian core files included openbox with lightm without formatting or moving 5Tb of files on my home dir..encrypted with lurks
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15:51<sup>With nvidia nonfree drivers it works
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16:10<sup>I installed synaptic, rebooted and still freezes with black screen...why..it worked one sec ago
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16:20<sup>I'm.going crazy it makes no sense..I just booted all normal after.nvidia drivers installation...rebooted once still ok...reboot.again and it.freezes
16:23<retrospectacus>why all the reboots?
16:24<sup>To test if it worked cause earlier.it did not...ok now I see after 5 minutes of.blackscreen the lightdm login appeared on screen..weird
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16:40<sup>Now I rebooted cause network manager was not picking up.wlan0 last boot it was...how to.debug now sorry? I see black screen for.like 5 minutes then lightdm appears
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17:06<sup>I have to fix rtl8821ae driver and network manager as wifi drops..ended up breaking the lightdm and boot...that's why I'm restarting..but now still black screen here..and lightdm might appear after minutes..waiting since 8 now..halp
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17:17<anton>hi
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17:17<anton>hey
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17:18<annadane>anton, hi
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17:24<not_newbie>4.9.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 what does the amd64 exactly mean for this kernel?
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17:26<squat>sup: why not reinstall? is root and home on the same parition?
17:28<bremner>not_newbie: it means it's 64bit intel x86
17:28<sup>Yes same partition..5Tb of stuff..with Luks..id rather just fix the system as everything used to work..a reinstall would lead me to same software versions as now..I'm really willing to donate btc for.help as is really important
17:29<not_newbie>bremner: thanks, I was making sure that'
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17:29<not_newbie>that's the case. I hate when they put amd in for names. always get it confused for the company.
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17:29<sup>Now the blackscreen just stays there..no more lightdm..after installing lwfinger drivers for wifi..which used to work.24 hours ago
17:31<sup>Is there a way to make a clean install of the filesys and software like openbox lightdm without reinstalling the whole os or moving files..if so id do that
17:31<squat>sup: is there an error in 'dmesg' if the wireless driver/module is causing problems, there should some kernel error
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17:32<squat>sup: i normaly just purge everything to the base-core system, clean up the config files, and reinstall the packages
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17:34<sup>I dont remember how to restore reinstall everything..damn..like for example should I use nvidia-drivers and firmware-realtek packages or other combo like nvidia and lwfinger drives for realtek..its so hard sorry
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17:36<sup>Dmesg is empty after I had to hard reset the pc and log back to rescue mode..
17:36<squat>sup: 'dpkg --get-selections' lists all packages, 'apt-get remove --pure <package>' removes the packages, just remove everything from the x-system, a good start normally is the xlibs
17:37<sup>Ok but I have no idea what to reinstall for X and graphics
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17:37<squat>sup: is cable-network working? then use ssh, if not, download a rescue DVD like GRML
17:37<squat>sup: with GRML, boot, mount, then chroot and repair the system
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17:38<sup>Yes I have eth0 on rescue mode.working...ok there is litterally a repair option or.ill have to manually choose what to delete and restore.?
17:38<ryouma>use ssh rfor what?
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17:39<squat>sup: you can ssh into the machine, and then look at the log why there is a blackscreen
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17:41<sup>Its a laptop there is no ssh server..id like to look at logs but system freezes (cant hit ctr alt f2 ) and at next reboot logs are empty..reading about grml
17:42<squat>sup: ok, then download a rescue DVD, boot from it, and mount the filesystem, i use normally grml because it has a really large collection of rescue tools
17:42<somiaj>mkdir /var/log/journal will make journalctl presistant and store its logs.
17:43<somiaj>you could also install an ssh server just for this testing to see if it fully freezes or not.
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17:46<sup>Dowloading rescue disk..but how will I repair the system with grml? There are tools.to easily fix configs and broken packages? .afraid to purge everything as don't know what to reinstall for nvidia and realtek...thanks
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17:50<sup>From docs it seems grml is used to repair bootloaders?
17:51<ryouma>i don't think it has anything special for debian that debian does not have, but i have not been following your saga
17:51<ryouma>but it is highly useful for fixing debian at a low level. youc an get onto irc, partition, chroot
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17:52<ryouma>(then somebody accuses you of not running debian when youa re trying to fix debian :/)
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17:59<sup>Downloading it now
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18:03<sup>If fails I could remove xorg, nvidia, firmware-realtek and lightdm and reinstall everything but need.help..as I don't know which.packages are correct for gtx950m openbox debian 9...thanks for.helping after.its.fixed.ill say thanks better
18:05<sup>Saw now there is grml-x for fixing X...lets.hope
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18:09<sup>Also grml-debbootstrap to install debian but it overwrites.files...cant.do that
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18:11<sup>Also I use lvm lurks..if matters..in 5 mins ill.boot the rescue disk
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18:18<sup>Ok I'm inside the rescue disk now..squat
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18:20<sup>Is stuck on '[ok] started' part...what the fuck
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18:21<IRC23009>hello guys, i try to follow this howto https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201
18:22<IRC23009>but I am getting errors by # Declare the kernel flags:
18:23<IRC23009>https://paste.debian.net/993651/
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18:25<sevu>what is echo ${MNT}
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18:33<IRC23009>localhost ~ # echo ${MNT} /mnt
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18:48<IRC23009>I am not sure about ${DEV}p2, or ${DEV}p1, I can only use ${DEV}
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18:49<IRC23009>localhost ~ # echo ${DEV} /dev/mmcblk1p2
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18:53<IRC23009>why is there a ${DEV}p1 or ${DEV}p2?
18:53<IRC23009>i am using a sdcard
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19:12<IRC23009>guys i have really trouble with the declaration ${DEV}p2 ${DEV}p1 or ${DEV}1 or ${DEV}2 because if i try and use it
19:12<IRC23009>it doesnt work for me, i can only use ${DEV}
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19:12<IRC23009>because if i try and use ${DEV}2 it doesnt work because device is not found
19:18<awal1>you also have #debian on freenode or mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org
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19:20<itd>IRC23009: Did you read the note in section 3.4?
19:21<sevu>{DEV} is there /dev/mmcblk1, but in you used /dev/mmcblk1p2
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19:23<IRC23009>yes my problem is i can prepare the sdcard like on the section 3.4 but if i put the sdcard into the chromebook i cant use the value ${DEV}1 ${DEV}2 not anymore
19:24<IRC23009>because the system is putting behind the name /dev/mmcblk1 a 2 or a 1
19:24<IRC23009>device not found is the result
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19:27<itd>IRC23009: Could you please rephrase that last explanation?
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19:28<ach>hi
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19:29<IRC23009>I am preparing the sd card again and then i can show you the config
19:29<IRC23009>before i start with the second step
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19:33<IRC23009>now this command is not working debootstrap --arch=armhf --foreign jessie ${MNT} http://http.debian.net/debian failed getting release from debian.net/debian/dists/stretch/release
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19:34<sevu>you probably want stretch instead of jessie
19:34<itd>Well, that line has both.
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19:39<IRC23009>Ok it is fixed the sdcard is prepared
19:39<IRC23009>it at the moment it is under /dev/sda
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19:40<IRC23009>is has 2 paritions /dev/sda1 16mb and /dev/sda2 7.38 GB and unallocated 16mb, I am putting it now into the chromebook
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19:44<IRC23009>df -aTh says /dev/mmcblk1p2 ext2 size 37Z used 37Z avail 0 use 100% mounted on /mnt
19:45<itd>IRC23009: That's all?
19:45<IRC23009>this is the relevant part for the sdcard
19:46<IRC23009>the rest has nothing to do with the sdcard
19:47<IRC23009>do you want to see the rest of the config?
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19:50<itd>IRC23009: Yes.
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19:52<IRC23009>https://paste.debian.net/993662/
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19:55<itd>IRC23009: Thanks. What's the next thing you would like to do?
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19:56<IRC23009>I cant use this command DEV=/dev/mmcblk1 I have to change it too /dev/mmcblk1p2
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19:56<itd>IRC23009: Why?
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19:57<IRC23009>because of the result from df? the name of my device is /dev/mmcblk1p2 and not /dev/mmcblk1
19:58<itd>IRC23009: No. /dev/mmcblk1 is a device. /dev/mmcblk1p2 is a partition on a device.
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19:58<IRC23009> i tried it localhost ~ # DEV=/dev/mmcblk1 localhost ~ # MNT=/mnt localhost ~ # umount ${DEV}2
19:59<IRC23009>result umount: /dev/mmcblk12: mountpoint not found
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19:59<itd>IRC23009: Why "umount ${DEV}2"?
20:00<itd>Why "${DEV}2"? Why not "${DEV}p2"?
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20:00<IRC23009>i should not use umount ${DEV}p2 because of the sd card
20:00<IRC23009>In case of an USB device, the partition will not be ${DEV}p2, but instead ${DEV}2
20:02<IRC23009>First, we prepare the SD card on a desktop machine. These instructions are for an 8G card, which affects on the second cgpt add call - you can adjust the size of the created partition as required.
20:02<IRC23009>what does he mean with call?
20:03<itd>IRC23009: "umount ${DEV}p2" - is a call of "umount" with the parameter "${DEV}p2".
20:03<IRC23009>but i didnt use by the first step the p anywhere
20:03<IRC23009>i removed it
20:04<IRC23009>do i have to do the first step again?
20:04<itd>IRC23009: Yes, and I (now) think that's ok.
20:04<itd>IRC23009: No.
20:04<IRC23009>by the way the command umount ${DEV}p2 worked
20:05<itd>IRC23009: Rereading the instructions I think that the note is only relevant for the first code block (the text with the gray background).
20:05<IRC23009>ok i am at the moment by Complete the bootstrap
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20:19<IRC23009>I am using a usb ethernet device, dont have wifi, should i install something else with it, is it working later with the usb device?
20:23<IRC23009>Now i at the point with the kernel partition and I should guess if I kern a or b is higher priority
20:23<IRC23009>https://paste.debian.net/993668/
20:23<itd>IRC23009: You will copy the wifi-firmware from the chromebook to your debian installation, so hopefully that will work then.
20:24<IRC23009>it looks like A on my machine, so should I change the command from dd if=/dev/mmcblk0p4 of=${MNT}/boot/chromeos.kernel.signed to dd if=/dev/mmcblk0p2 of=${MNT}/boot/chromeos.kernel.signed?
20:24<IRC23009>change the 4 to 2?
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20:26<itd>IRC23009: Sounds good to me.
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20:27<IRC23009>I am at # Sign the kernel: should I let the EOF away?
20:29<itd>IRC23009: Why?
20:30<IRC23009>last time the command chroot ${MNT} sh /boot/sign-kernel.sh was not working because of the EOF by sign the kernel
20:30<IRC23009>but i can try it with it and see what happens now
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20:32<IRC23009>alright everything else worked now, I will restart the chromebook and see if its starting from the sdcard
20:33<IRC23009>I will lose this connection here, thank you very much itd
20:33<itd>IRC23009: Sure, hope it works out for you.
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20:34<IRC23009>but is says this also If you are running a newer ChromeOS, CONFIG_VT may be disabled in the kernel
20:35<IRC23009>I have the Version 53.0.2785.154
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20:35<IRC23009>do i have a newer chromeOS?
20:37<IRC23009>do i have to this also http://demo1.faikvm.com/trac/wiki/C201 ?
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20:39<itd>IRC23009: Reboot and see? I don't know.
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20:58<user7>hey wassup
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20:59<fred>oi m8
20:59<user7>asuh
20:59<fred>#debian m8
20:59<user7>for sure
21:00<fred>need to install more window managers, what is the best?
21:00<user7>for bash?
21:00<fred>perhaps
21:00<user7>or normal gui interface?
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21:03<fred>GUI, Ive tried running Cinnamon and an odd one called awesome
21:04<user7>Maybe gnome is better for you
21:04<bremner>fred: and which did you like?
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21:06<fred>Gnome sounds good, I will try that next. Cinnamon is very smooth. I feel like awesome ran too many background processes and caused a small crash. I did like using gimp on it though since it gave me about 9 workspaces.
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21:08<fred>Check in next week, Ill try Gnome tonight. Thanks again mates.
21:09<user7>Mate is another option, i prefer this one because is smooth like cinnamon but has a better looking aspect
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22:43<pirata>Hola
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22:45<annadane>!es
22:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
22:46<pirata>hi
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23:20<ap4lmtree>hi
23:20<ap4lmtree>how does linux make it so you can run a program and also update it while it is running whereas in windows you have to close the exe file before updaating it?
23:21<ap4lmtree>are all programs ran in linux put in ram or something while in windows it is ram and the hard drive?
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23:23<dvs>ap4lmtree, programs are run in memory but eventually, the parts in memory could be discarded and then reloaded later into memory. that's why it isn't a good idea to keep it running after an update.
23:23<ap4lmtree>and in windows it is both memory and hd?
23:23<ap4lmtree>rather than just mem
23:24<ap4lmtree>it is a security risk to update a program and still run it i guess huh
23:25<dvs>it sure is
23:26<ap4lmtree>okay, but do you know if that is how windows work?
23:31<dvs>don't know
23:32<ap4lmtree>[20:32:02] <tx> ap4lmtree: Windows will lock files that are open / in use by a process (or is the process itself_.
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