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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-11-04

---Logopened Sat Nov 04 00:00:08 2017
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01:17<Lordee>Hellloooouuuu
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01:24<o11c>oh, right, I'm on the wrong system ...
01:25<o11c>the wiki page for btrfs should *really* mention the fsync problem
01:25<o11c>and dpkg is conceptually "wrong" actually
01:25<o11c>I have a script on my other machine that does it the right way using snapshots, then does eatmydata around apt calls
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01:26-!-kathenas is "Phil Wyett" on #debian-reproducible #debian-bugs #debian-www #debconf #debian #debian-cd #debian-qa #debian-offtopic #debian-mentors #debian-derivatives #debian-gnome #debian-live #debian-next
01:27<annadane>o11c, dpkg the bot or dpkg the package?
01:28<o11c>dpkg the package
01:28<dpkg>o11c: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
01:29<o11c>basically, dpkg is using fsync to perform transactions around *every* *single* *microoperation*
01:29<o11c>which is a huge no-no in the database world
01:29<o11c>since btrfs is designed for sane programs, dpkg is super-slow on it
01:29<o11c>like, multiple seconds per package
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05:13<raven>I fully understand that debian is primarly a server OS, but sometimes...just sometimes..I wish it had the "install alongside Windows?"-option that ubuntu has
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06:27<raven>HP ProLiant 380 G6: Trying to install debian. The installation asks for bnx/bnx2-mips-09-6.2.1b.fw, so I download and places that file on the USB stick, in various locations such as /root and /firmware, but it STILL asks for it. I think it's for the NIC, since it can't find any internet connection. Anyone recognize the problem?
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06:51<Guest8293>yes
06:51<Guest8293>hiii uou are hacker
06:52<Guest8293>you
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07:39<llandon>raven: you have to format you stick with vfat. Alternative use: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
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09:11<robot>need Credit Card Fresh
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11:14<raven>llandon: I used that ISO. However, I don't think the non-working ethernet depends on that. When I boot debian, the network interfaces shows up, just says "disconnected"
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11:32<blast007>raven: the stretch firmware ISO already includes the firmware-bnx2 package, which contains bnx2-mips-09-6.2.1b.fw. Was the installer still prompting for that file?
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11:33<raven>blast007: Well, it still prompted for it, but I did some googling, and that file has nothing to do with my problem not having network connectivity
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12:12<jhutchins>raven: Debian is a desktop distribution, and it shares the ability to install in a multi-OS environment. I don't know why you would think otherwise, but dual-booting with Windows is in no way unique to Ubuntu.
12:12<jhutchins>raven: I'm quite suspicicious of the "mips" in the filename you cite, mips is not a standard architecture.
12:13<raven>jhutchins: DIdn't say unique, I ment tha ability to, when you start the loader, to enter "Install longside with windows" and then it partitions and everything for you
12:14<jhutchins>raven: It may not have an option labeled that way, but the installer is perfectly capable of doing that.
12:15<raven>jhutchins: Well, I'm partitioning my drive tonight, and installing debian..so for what it's worth, wish me luck. Never did this before :)
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12:16<jhutchins>raven: If you've run Ubuntu you're more than halfway there. Debian requires a little more manual intervention and invites you to learn more about what's going on with your system.
12:17<raven>I'm just afraid of destroying my windows installation during debian installation, that I will fail having GRUB finding both installs
12:17<jhutchins>raven: Remember we've been doing this for more than 20 years now.
12:18<raven>You yes, me never :P
12:18<jhutchins>raven: It's always smart to have a backup.
12:19<raven>Yep, they are done
12:19<jhutchins>raven: Which version of Windows?
12:20<raven>10
12:22<blast007>jhutchins: there's probably a MIPS processor as part of that NIC
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12:25<jhutchins>!botsnack
12:25<jhutchins>dondelelcaro: I don't think dpkg is feeling well today.
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12:46<raven>I'm trying to shrink this disk to make room for debian partition, but it only allows me to make a 5GB volume >:(
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12:58<amacater>raven: have you done it, written it and then rebooted to see if it sticks?
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12:59<amacater>If it's sharing with a Windows - use windows tools to free up space first
13:00<raven>I haven't installed anything, is still trying to partition this 256GB SSD disk, so I can install debian
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13:02<amacater>Use a bootable gparted USB and boot from it
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13:24<o11c>raven: how much free space do you *think* is on your Windows partition?
13:24<o11c>raven: and how much of that is fragmented, etc.
13:24<jhutchins>raven: Windows 10 uses a different filesystem than earlier versions, it was recommended to use the Windows disk manager to resize it.
13:25<jhutchins>raven: You also want to defrag the windows partition(s) before you resize.
13:25<jhutchins>I think the Linux tools have caught up, but I'm not sure.
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13:27<raven>I'm using the built in disk manager in Windows
13:27<raven>I think I have to run some sort of defragmentation tool, since I can't shrink it to smaller then 5GB, because of some un-movable files?
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13:28<amacater>OK - run the disk clean up tools, then run the disk resize tools from there
13:29*amacater doesn't have Win10 in arms reach - but Settings should probably help or use Search for disk resize
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13:29*o11c had Win10 2 days ago, but nuked it to install Debian
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14:15<o11c>anyway, that script I promised the other day: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2d19f52f51fb8db7bc0cbe3c41bc4a43
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14:39<root22>quit
14:39<H4ndy>./exit
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14:39<H4ndy>without the .
14:39<root22> /msg dpkg install stretch
14:40<root22>install stretch
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14:43<o11c>reminds me of that old joke ...
14:43<o11c>/quit and /part were sitting in a tree and /part fell off, who was left?
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14:44<raven>That and ALT+F4 to open hidden scripts in mIRC
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15:02<wamtty>is there a better utility to see free disk space than df
15:03<wamtty>like, df -h shows me partitions and stuff but would there be a way to see their labels. instead of paths like /dev/sda1 dev/sda2 etc
15:03<wamtty>perhaps it is an error in my own understanding and i should learn to recognize partitions rather than use a tool to show labels
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15:06<blast007>wamtty: df shows mount points as well
15:06<towo`>what's the problem? you see the mountpoints, which is the important information, no matter, if you see device names or labels
15:07<wamtty>fdisk -l works well, but it doesn't show me human readable measurements, -h isn't a valid flag and i have to count the bytes
15:07<o11c>df isn't a terribly complicated tool, so implement one yourself
15:07<o11c>or just modify the source
15:07<wamtty>I need mixture of both df and lsblk
15:07<wamtty>lsblk works great, if it showed used space
15:07<blast007>wamtty: why isn't the mount point enough?
15:08<wamtty>I want to see also used/free
15:08<towo`>maybe because ge is not using debian?
15:08<wamtty>towo, you dont want to know your used/free ?
15:08<wamtty>I do
15:08<wamtty>ok?
15:08<wamtty>stop being an asshole
15:08<blast007>wamtty: df shows the mount point. Why isn't that enough to know what partition is what?
15:09<towo`>df is showing used and free
15:09<wamtty>df doesnt show the label
15:09<towo`>and here is not the proxmox support
15:09<amacater>df -a gives used and free
15:09<wamtty>blast007, I want that and label and free.used
15:09<blast007>why is the disk label more useful than the mount point?
15:10<wamtty>im not saying its more useful
15:10<wamtty>I swear im not sayin this
15:11<wamtty>I just need some tool that also shows label and free/used
15:11<wamtty> lsblk will only show label
15:11<blast007>write some code then
15:12<wamtty>ill google some code
15:12<wamtty>im a newbie
15:12<amacater>lsblk tells you the partitions and labels.
15:12<wamtty>google: df -h | awk '{printf("%s ",$0)} /^\//{system("blkid " $1)}'
15:13<amacater>Jot down on a piece of paper which partitions you care about - but yes your command above may work :)
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15:30<estudiante>hola
15:30<amacater>!es
15:30<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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18:12<brunoramos>any good resources on how to best setup automatic updates, notification, or automatic install on servers?
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18:14<annadane>brunoramos, unattended updates
18:14<annadane>or unattended upgrades or whatever it's called
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18:15<ach>annadane the question is in search for auto update?
18:15<ach>but yes no
18:16<annadane>what?
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18:17<ach>well if you have a lot of server you don't want to do updates per every single terminal
18:17<ach>so i think is this question
18:17<ach>>:
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18:18<annadane>yes but unattended upgrades will install the updates for you
18:19<ach>you don'T get me right?
18:19<annadane>not at all
18:19<ach>*don't
18:19<brunoramos>i found the wiki about unattended upgrades
18:19<ach>i don't know if such software exist on Debian cause this the yes no
18:20<brunoramos>I also installed apt-listchanges
18:20<brunoramos>should I configure apt-listchanges to mail ? or leave it to pager? if it is to be run with unattended-upgrades?
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18:23<ach>!ask unattended updates
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18:26<ach>!ask
18:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:27<annadane>brunoramos, really up to you, i would think
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18:28<brunoramos>annadane, ok thank you. I was unsure if pager would cause issues because it could be interactive, mail should not be :)
18:28<brunoramos>I'll give it a try
18:29<annadane>right, makes sense
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18:29<annadane>i'm not sure actually how unattended upgrades interfaces with apt-listchanges, whether it always prompts confirmation or whether you can configure that
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18:31<annadane>if you want to review the apt-listchanges before install you can set it to pager but if you don't care i guess you can do whatever
18:32<brunoramos>I'll setup mail and see how it goes :)
18:33<annadane>(though of course if you didn't want to review it you wouldn't have installed listchanges)
18:33<annadane>you can probably set up a cron to notify you if there are listchanges, idk
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21:59<mendezvillan>hola
21:59<mendezvillan>hello
22:00<o11c>!es
22:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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22:02<mendezvillan>hi, i would like to know how to hack an account
22:03<pdo_fn14>INIT: /run/initctl is not a fifo
22:03*pdo_fn14 WTH, I need MagicPrtScr key to force shutdown. :(
22:06<annadane>mendezvillan, not really the channel for that
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22:07<kalilinux>hi
22:07<blast007>!kali
22:07<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
22:07<kalilinux>how are you ?
22:08<kalilinux>heyyyyy
22:08<kalilinux>are you here ?
22:08<blast007>no
22:08<blast007>read what dpkg said. this isn't the Kali channel.
22:09<mendezvillan>could you tell me how to occupy annymous os
22:10<blast007>also not the anonymous os channel
22:10<kalilinux>this is what the channel is ?
22:11<blast007>this is a support channel for Debian Linux
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22:12<kalilinux>im use Parrot os . So debian
22:12<blast007>nope. not Debian
22:12<bremner>!parrot
22:12<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
22:13<kalilinux>oh ı understand
22:13<kalilinux>thank you
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22:14<sdk>Wow that dpkg bot is really nice :P
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22:18<diablo>hola a todos
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23:03<o11c>are there *alwas* this many spanish speakers/
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23:04<annadane>there's been like, two. also, off topic
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23:09<damian_>hi
23:10<damian_>any one here
23:10<damian_>is it just me here
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23:11<annadane>!ask
23:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:11<annadane>never mind...
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23:46<tech-tools>hello
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